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Episode 84 : Crossover Thursday - joined by Daily Tottenham
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Southampton – Today we are joined by Chris of the Daily Tottenham, and we discuss the woes of both teams, how they are eerily similar, and if this could be El Sackicko 2...
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Podcast Introduction and Match Preview
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome to the Daily Southampton and today the Daily Tottenham podcast from the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Greg and as always, I'm joined by my co-host Zach.
00:00:21
Zak
Oh yeah, not too bad mate, I've just come back from a driving lesson so my energy levels are not at the level that they should be for this podcast.
00:00:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
How are you doing Zach?
00:00:28
Zak
We'll give it a go, we'll power through.
00:00:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
And from our friends over at the Daily Tottenham, I'm joined by Chris. How are you doing Chris?
00:00:36
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Not bad, thank you, not bad. Get motivated because big match coming up might be sad. and
00:00:42
Zak
Being a Saints fan it's hard to be motivated right now, I'm not gonna lie.
00:00:42
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
but it
00:00:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've seen it dubbed, I've seen it dubbed El Sacico 2, uh, which is fine.
00:00:46
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Well, we're in the same camp.
00:00:50
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
yeah
00:00:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's going to be, it's going to be a game.
00:00:54
Zak
Mmm.
Southampton's Season Woes
00:00:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Uh, so I guess, uh, let's get straight to it.
00:00:57
Zak
Mmm.
00:01:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Uh, I guess roller coaster might from the outside looking in be a good word to describe the season so far, Chris, or are you feeling, uh, more downs than ups?
00:01:13
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
that's an interesting interesting one up yeah probably but very close it's definitely the right the right word really emotional i uh just a precursor on where i was with an et cetera i was i'm a pragmatic supporter so i understand uh the the bigger picture you've come through et cetera et cetera all this stuff that is is spouted out but my patience is wearing very thin with the lack of changing things during matches and for me that's just basics you know ends of the day and yeah so the last match obviously goes Chelsea go and tune it up and then
00:01:53
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
not doing anything to secure that. And you guys probably will tell me, regards to your manager as well, probably a similar thing. We haven't got the players to play that. We're not being in Madrid. If we are, we've got the best players, then fine. It it works because it's the Brazilian analogy, isn't it? You score one and we score five. But it doesn't work when you're playing top top level with pretty average players. But in the same point, as you alluded to before, this podcast, Zach,
00:02:22
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
We're kind of privileged and in a way we're where mid-table, you take that, wouldn't you, Southampton? Of course you would.
00:02:30
Zak
Oh, I would take Oh, mid table, that'd be a dream. yeah It sounds like it's almost, it's it's funny because obviously you never really know how it is to support another team. And obviously we're we're both going to be in positions where we can kind and kind of understand, but never really because we support two completely different clubs.
00:02:48
Zak
But I guess from like a Tottenham perspective in their history in recent times, this this probably is a bit of a crisis for you guys, but like it is mad, the analogies that you can pull there between the Saints and Tottenham.
Management Philosophies Compared
00:02:58
Zak
Like if it is Alsace, what's that?
00:03:01
Zak
A manager who refuses to move from the their philosophy will be playing a type of football for but for players probably better suited, not, you know, in the squad.
00:03:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
It did sound...
00:03:12
Zak
It's, yeah, it's it's very, It's mad how similar it is. I'm really worried it's just going to be a boring draw at this point. and No one's going to be firing over end.
00:03:18
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Oh, yeah.
00:03:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
late They've moved, they've gone to great effort to move the game to the least convenient time of the weekend for anyone so that it's going on TV. So it's bound to be an absolute classic I'm sure.
00:03:33
Zak
Of course.
00:03:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
theyre rights You're right though, there's a lot of parallels to draw I guess between Spurs and Saints and actually looking back on the Chelsea game it must have been pretty heart-wrenching, not only to drop a 2-0 lead but to go behind to two penalties as well. You know, we often hear things referred to as Spursy but I have to say that that was very Saints-y.
00:03:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
it was
00:03:53
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Well, the the thing is, when you've got a manager who basically is doing his best to get himself out of a job, but everything he says, everything he does, set pieces, defending, attacking, the set pieces.
00:03:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
was
00:04:11
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Now, mate, it is who we are. And and this blatant, but i I'm not going to change. Kind of admired to start off with if you're winning if you're not winning then it comes down to winning and losing and ultimately we're losing and the match goes Chelsea Yeah, that was one of those ones where I mean if if If the manager will change it and those players aren't good enough to do it to do it for full 90 minutes i only do it in spurts and then You know, the mistakes that happened regarding the prosumer and you know penalties given away, it's not great at all. But you can't see it happening. I kind of tuned in, like, yeah. <unk>ve got The guy slipped twice there. And I hate Spongebob playing it for Chelsea. But um um yeah, ah ah yeah it's it's
Tottenham's Challenges and Hopes
00:05:02
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
not good at all. So not good times.
00:05:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
And with the rest of the season, if if a change is made and you get someone else in, like you're only six, seven points off the top four. Do you think it's too late to amount of charge for that? Is that the, wars where's a happy place to finish for Spurs this season?
00:05:24
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Well, you know what's going to happen. We're going to sort of peter along and, you know, we should be with respect to you guys, we should be Southampton. We should do because you you you you're the same as us. We're trying to play at a top table with a certain style, but we haven't got the players and you're exactly the same. You've come from the championship and then moved into the Premier League without that massive investment.
00:05:46
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
and Yeah, for us, I guess that we'll win, possibly, and then we'll do OK in a cup, and we'll win a cup, and it'll just paper over, we'll crack some out the rest of the season, and then we'd be happy because we've won something. Which would be true, I would be happy as well, to be honest. So you shouldn't be careful you to pick careful of what you wish for, I guess, sometimes. But with Levi and, you know,
00:06:13
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
He is, I guess, in the main problem now because we've got a fantastic stadium. As a business model, we work really well and he's done it all because he's a really good businessman. Now it's time for him to go and get a football guy in there who just will loves the club and wants to win something and puts the wages behind the players as well. I mean, not signing people on Neto and then you see Neto, fantastic. You know, he really did a great job for us and we're signing It's hard to say average players, but they are for where we we should be and what what we aspire to. know If you've got the best stadium, best facilities, or one of the best facilities, then you want the best players there. So why wouldn't you go out and pay that money and get them for the wages in particular? It's frustrating. And you know we're we're a bit like, we've got Richarlson. All our players get injured. Oh my god, there's a big list of things I could learn about. But honestly, I'm trying to say positive, because of Southampton.
00:07:07
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Like you said, it should be a crack and match. More likely, it'll be a nil-nil draw. And it'd really be like shaking the head and thinking, how the hell is that a nil-nil draw?
00:07:17
Zak
How do you feel about Romero coming out and psyching off the club? Did you hear about that?
00:07:23
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah, I saw it. Switched it straight away. And... Well, he's right, isn't he?
00:07:29
Zak
yeah yeah That's what I was waiting for!
00:07:32
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Fundamentally, it's his right. and you know You don't know where, he's not going to get, you know, maybe that's an angle now to get, you know, sold, uh, to Real Madrid or whatever wants to get sold. Although I think they have been sniffing around and another player now as well recently. Um, but yeah, it's, you've got to take up a pinch of salt, I guess, because ultimately they, you play, lots of players play for their their own career. And if there's a ah bigger move in line, then they set the building bricks up for that already, didn't they? And it's not their fault. and.
00:08:03
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
In saying that, there hasn't been any news from the players about the manager, and there usually is leaks if that he's lost the dressing room or players aren't playing for him or believing what he does. They've got to take responsibility themselves, but ultimately they're probably not good enough for the system, I would say. And that's also mean, you know, in in Scotland, championship managers could win in Scotland. They could win that league 100% and percent and i obviously I'm from Plymouth so I almost put Wayne Rooney into that mould but I won't.
00:08:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it is you it's it's really fascinating to see the parallels and and I guess this sort of stuck in limbo between the fans wanting to change and the board not.
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Shared Struggles of Southampton and Tottenham
00:09:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay and Chris, I guess I'll slightly hand the reins over to you and but before we start I guess how we from the outside looking in what's your sort of views on how our season's gone so far
00:09:48
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Well, as you can imagine, there are parallels. And the stubbornness there is admirable because it obviously worked in the championship for us. So I think looking outside to Southampton, I mean, I was in Southampton and I watched the semi-final in a sports bar in Southampton.
00:10:10
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
There was a stag too, actually. But it was a night, I think it was a Friday, wasn't it? I think that semi-final.
00:10:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:10:16
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
I watched that.
00:10:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
yes
00:10:17
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
and I watched them play and I thought, you know what, this is but they're they're good, they've got a nice play, play they drive from midfield, they brake quickly. I also thought leads would be better better than you in the finals, to be fair, but I think you know, you'd prove everybody wrong there anyway.
00:10:37
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
So for me, when it you haven't got the money to spend to to get big, and it's always that, it's a massive gap from the championship to the Premier League, a really big gap.
00:10:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yes.
00:10:47
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
It's almost when you get in the Premier League that there are three separate leagues now, isn't there, in the Premier League.
00:10:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:10:53
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
The top whatever, they're always competing. You've got the middle who are fine and are classed up, spurs and that, you know, I can't see us obviously getting relegated. and that season or upon season and then you've got the other teams which yes always one dips into that from the mid but usually it's the teams that come up which struggle and that's purely down to money and and not being able to spend things because of FFP I guess as well but how what do you what do you guys you know have you did you spend loads of money is it downs in your midfield yes yeah I liked him he was good he's
Transfer Window Disappointments
00:11:25
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
a good player I remember.
00:11:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah so yeah we we spent quite a bit of money although it was we brought in quite a lot of players at the start of the season it's just really that we brought in uh harward bellis and downs who were both on loan with us last season so were're sort of known quantities and then we bought quite a few other players we got uh mattif and andes and suguaro who have who've done all right and then we seem to
00:11:39
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah.
00:11:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
sign a load of players that really just haven't done anything for us all season. We went out on deadline day and got Corne in on loan and we signed Benbrough and Diaz who whose main statistic is now that is the longest streak of not winning a Premier League game in the history of players.
00:12:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
So yeah it's yeah
00:12:08
Zak
You forget, we broke our we broke our record from Ramsdale as well. We got, we made sure to try and get, a shore up a quality keeper to try and play the system we wanted to play.
00:12:13
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah.
00:12:17
Zak
What we didn't anticipate was him going all injured. But even when he was in the squad, he wasn't, wasn't, you know, the groundbreaking player that finally slotted everything into place.
00:12:28
Zak
I think that, you know, if you're going to recruit from clubs that are going down, which we did in like Ben Barrett and Diaz and again, Charlie Taylor, which is probably a bit harsh, but then, you know, or free agents like Adam Alana. I understand that you need to try and be sure with your business decisions and especially with the money, but it it kind of feels like for us, we've talked about the window a few times. it's been It's been very sort of 50-50 and the problem was is it it needed to be far more 75-25 for it to be something that actually went well this season.
00:12:55
Zak
And it is that we are having more flops than not. And we even were talking about yesterday where our squad depth is about as as as, you know, as shallow as a puddle.
Squad Depth Issues
00:13:05
Zak
We have other players to come off the bench, but no one that we ever go, oh, no, well, we you know, we've got this person to come off. It's not like ah a villa with like a Duran that can come off the bench and score goals. we
00:13:14
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah.
00:13:14
Zak
We genuinely are like, oh, well, we play all our best players and then and then hope that the players that come on the 70th minute will do something. But usually nine times out of 10, we've already three nil down at that point.
00:13:25
Zak
So yeah, we spent money. I just don't think we spent it wisely. And that will be down to not getting in a proper director of football ah ah football and not, you know, I think that they plan to come up as quick as they did.
00:13:39
Zak
If I'm totally honest, um think they always wanted to.
00:13:40
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
yeah
00:13:42
Zak
but we were almost, you know, we were fourth. We didn't, we we you you said it yourself, like everyone thought Leeds would beat us. A lot of us thought Leeds would beat us. We were just looking forward to a nice down Wembley.
00:13:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:13:51
Zak
And all of a sudden we find ourselves promoted with a squad full of players, most of which were hoping to probably leave on transfer deadline day. And now we've got a lot of our hopes pinned to a six foot five striker who was, everyone was expecting to go to Turkey at the beginning of the the season.
00:14:07
Zak
So lots and lots of things.
00:14:09
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Thank
00:14:11
Zak
but we spent money. It just doesn't look like it was spent in the right places, at least from the footballing side. The business side seems to be going very well for them.
00:14:16
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
you.
00:14:18
Zak
So swings and roundabouts.
00:14:18
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
So basically, you got to a final, overachieved in the final, played it like a final, one game, and yeah, sugar, we're in the Premier League, fantastic. But yeah, a little bit too early, that's what we say.
00:14:31
Zak
Yes, that's kind of that's kind of how I feel.
00:14:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:14:32
Zak
I think Greg's probably got a different opinion on that, but no.
00:14:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
I kind of agree with everything and I think that the perception is the same as well with the business side because what they did with a lot of the money coming up is made a load of improvements to the stadium so we've got the massive safe standing zones now and new fan zones and new bars and I think that that and the lack of investment in getting in a football director after our last one left and went to Man United that really shows the thought path and philosophy at the moment.
00:15:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
but You know, we've talked on the podcast before about how now the football side is solely Russell Martin, sort of in an echo chamber, presumably passing the ball round the back to himself.
00:15:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
So tell it's a strange position to be in.
00:15:17
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah.
00:15:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's such a strange limbo. but
00:15:22
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
It's almost like your phone's on job. Are you going to do the same again this weekend? Yeah, yeah. I'll do well as well and that's fine, but stay the same.
00:15:29
Zak
it's It's going to be weird because that's that's how it's feel that's the feeling of the game, right? You're worried it's going to be exactly the same, we're worried it's going to be exactly the same. It will probably play out exactly the same and this is why I just can't see anyone scoring anywhere.
00:15:41
Zak
but
00:15:41
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Well, you would hope that our squad, although it's nowhere good enough to, or even our first team, good enough to so go we're against for 90 minutes, the better teams, you would hope that we've got those better players in there because we're more established. Whereas you guys have brought in players who, Russell Martin's not a big name. He's well respected as a, what he did in the championship, but you're not going to get those bigger players. And the players who came in, like you said, were players who,
00:16:09
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
They did a right in struggling teams, but it's not that different. You've got to have different players to move in. Like I was saying in the podcast recently, just about spurs.
00:16:19
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
I get the the squad thing, you need a really good squad and you need a consistency of quality when they come on from the bench 100% and you can't really put young guys in there and expect them to be at the same level for experience and just quality because they've got to learn that unless they're a worldie and they won't be playing for Spurs then, they'll be inside of a room with you at a Barcelona. So it is a difficult one but yeah I would hope to think that we would have enough against you guys. But what's happened to your youth system? you that You guys used to have a really good youth system as well. And many years ago, I remember watching Alan Shearer down in Tall Point in Cornwall when he did a preseason down there. I think they went to the Royal Navy base as I'm meant to train there. And I watched them down at the mill. butgat Big shout out to the mill.
00:17:04
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
tool point for our tool point listeners in Cornwall and yeah he was phenomenal and I could see that he was a really good player. You know a few good youth prospects of obviously and then you've had quite a lot haven't you? Will Carlton.
00:17:17
Zak
they They all come back, Lilana came back, Walcott came back and they all come back to retire.
00:17:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:17:22
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah but they've miss you've missed missed the key moments that you you obviously have made money from them probably not enough obviously bail as well obviously but the greatest example they've gone away and and and and been a fantastic player.
00:17:35
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
and And some of them have come back when, the realistically, they wouldn't get any other sort of Premier League teams, were they?
00:17:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Uh, it's interesting because there was, we had that really successful period with our Academy boys coming through.
00:17:42
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
no
00:17:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
And, we've definitely seen a resurgence sort of this year, especially with Tyler Dibbling coming through and to a lesser extent, Sam or, uh, sort of breaking through.
00:17:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, actually I did a tour of the training ground last year and was talking about it with the guy who was showing me around. And he was saying that because they start the Academy so young, sort of as a footballer,
00:18:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
The reason that there's been such a gap in quality was their ability to recruit the last time we got relegated and ended up all the way down at the bottom of league one. And so we really struggled with recruitment then.
00:18:18
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah.
00:18:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so it's only in the sort of recent years that we're seeing the benefits of when we managed to get back up into the Premier League the first time. So.
00:18:30
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
It's harder because you've got to balance competing or trying to stay in the league. although the parachute payments are quite good. If you go down, to be fair, you should bounce back. You would hope to bounce back up, but it's never that easy.
00:18:42
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
But obviously you've got Premier League 2, which obviously the youth play in. And obviously I look at other countries like Spain, they've got they've got their sort second sort of string where they all the youngsters play in that particular one.
00:18:56
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
It's almost like a like a championship or such. It's just that we don't give enough exposure to those youngsters and they go elsewhere, I guess.
00:18:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:19:04
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
or fall full out of the system because they're deemed as not being good enough and the only way they can get some game time sometimes is going on loan but the jump from the championship to obviously like I said the Premier League is is massive so then they've they've done well in the championship because they are a quality player and got lots of skill and they're a bit you know physically better and fitter because they've come from a Premier League environment and then they come into the Premier League and you can't really risk playing loads of them because you've got to try and stay in a league and be competitive,
Youth Player Challenges in Premier League
00:19:36
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
I guess.
00:19:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah and I guess that's kind of the thing we've seen especially with like the physical element as well because Tyler Diblin's been such a star for us this year and really sort of a creative outlook but it's such a risk playing him for more than 60 to 70 minutes because he's still so young and the boy refuses to wear shin pads so it's just uh we see him sort of taking off in those key moments and it's it's really fascinating because obviously we had
00:19:55
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah.
00:20:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
a couple of other youngsters that we signed previously like Romeo Lavia and Tino Livromento who played every minute for us at that young age and then ended up out for pretty lengthy periods of time with injuries so it's obviously a ah ah lot to take physically that young so trying to manage those minutes and maintain that star power was really sort of a difficult balance to tread.
00:20:20
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yep.
00:20:30
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
It is, but if you look at other sports where there's there's quite a lot of your youth going in, they're deemed skillful enough, but probably not physically enough, big enough. It's such as rugby in particular, rugby union.
00:20:41
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Then their their squad size is huge because they know there's the demands of the but the game and the players, but you only have to have a week.
00:20:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm.
00:20:48
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
You know, I'm speaking about Van de Ven by the way now. ah weak hamstring and you know I was reading today some some Spurs fans saying oh but you know who should we sell who should we keep who needs to be a squad player who needs to go etc which is what we do usually this time of year especially when things are going bad but Van de Ven although he's a class player well if he's got if he's in due prone do we really need that in our team currently I hope he's not in due prone because he's a good player
00:21:17
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00:21:25
Zak
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Match Predictions and Dynamics
00:21:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, so it's that crunching time of the podcast where we begrudgingly look forward, I guess, from both perspectives this week and try and work out what the score is going to be at the end of a very late Sunday night. ah Chris, Chris, as ah as our guest, how do you see it playing out? Is it expected that Spurs are going to have too much for us and run away with it?
00:22:07
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
What's the highest scoring draw we've ever had a hat in the Premier League?
00:22:11
Zak
asked for four with Liverpool, surely.
00:22:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah i was there a 5-5 a couple of years ago? Was it Norwich and someone?
00:22:20
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Wouldn't it be good for a 6 or a 7-all line? That would be and that of just yeah ahll be amazing.
00:22:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think that would mean that we'd score more goals than we scored the entire rest of the season combined.
00:22:32
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah, of course I was having a joke. Try again.
00:22:35
Zak
Our last game, our last game
00:22:36
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
You fell into the trap.
00:22:37
Zak
Our last probably Elite Gaming 8 Spurs was actually 3-3. but
00:22:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe not a bad shout.
00:22:42
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah, I think, you know, we we can defend, we can attack, and when we take our chances, we'll we'll we'll create stuff. I'm thinking that we're going to have back to our normal possession stats anyway.
00:22:54
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Obviously against against you guys rather than Chelsea because it was down to 20 odd percent or something silly so yeah, i I think we We are going to let in some goals, but it could be something like 42 or something like that And not necessarily you guys gonna score it I'm thinking like we might have an end goal because that would be the way it's going at the moment But yeah
00:23:21
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
He knows. But yeah, four take, I'm gonna go for 40.
00:23:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah It's a solid prediction. I could see that playing out to be fair Zach hard to feel positive going into it how I feel
00:23:30
Zak
a I reckon we could score again but I reckon an outcome that no one would want will be too awful and that's basically what I think will happen. i think I think we might actually get some goals especially just the way that they've been coming recently. And I think with tool pullback, maybe you we will do something different. hopeful Hopefully, who knows? But I could easily see it being a draw and I could see it being a goal. Draw with goals. That'd been exciting Sunday Night Football, but also a result that literally nobody wants. Like a draw for us is nothing. A draw for Spurs is nothing. Doesn't quite in the noise either way. And we continue in the stats quo of both teams. So, yeah. to ah Upsetting two tool draw for everyone involved, mate. So what about you, Greg?
00:24:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right, look, the cycle is complete, right?
00:24:13
Zak
Where are you at, Mr Positive?
00:24:17
Zak
Good, you're back, back to it.
00:24:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're we're back to positive and optimism for some context, Chris, on the optimistic side of the Saints podcast.
00:24:21
Zak
Good.
00:24:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I haven't predicted a Saints loss yet this season. Subsequently, I'm never right.
00:24:29
Zak
Are you all right once, not but with the score line, but you're all right?
00:24:30
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
wow
00:24:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
But but i think I think it's funny that your prediction involves doing something different
00:24:34
Zak
because
00:24:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
based on the fact that I think our entire theme of Monday's podcast was doing the same thing again and again and again. I can see can see a struggle a bit of a game where both teams struggle.
00:24:48
Zak
that's my bit of optimism ma
00:24:51
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Heh heh.
00:24:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's going to be maybe a slightly cagey affair. think maybe a 2-1 win, Saints. I don't see us scoring more than two, and I don't want to predict a loss. So I think two ones where I've got to cap it.
Fan Reactions and Financial Implications
00:25:09
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
we We might go fooling it up.
00:25:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:25:12
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
I'm joking.
00:25:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:25:13
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
I'm joking.
00:25:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean it's it's a very real possibility, it really depends what happens.
00:25:14
Zak
That's my bit of optimism mate.
00:25:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think the problem is as well, if you go on and score first, which is not not entirely unlikely to be honest, the atmosphere really could turn on a knife at St Mary's.
00:25:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
it's It's going to be on the verge, that's for sure, especially at Leona Sunday.
00:25:32
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
But he's not goingnna he's not goingnna go loy he's not he's he's not going is he? and Is he under threat, as in, will you take him back? Will he come back down with you if you get relegated? Or will he go before then?
00:25:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's hard to say. I think there's definitely been a turn in the fan base in the last week, especially since Chelsea midweek.
00:25:49
Zak
Yeah, the banners have been out.
00:25:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
But the board have made no indication that they've changed trajectory at all. So it'll be an interesting one. It's one where even one win probably isn't enough to turn the fans around.
00:26:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:26:07
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
I guess for you guys, if you are, say, a a season ahead of where you should be, or maybe two seasons ahead of where you should be, for the board, looking at it on the business sense, then it's a win-win for them, isn't it?
00:26:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:26:19
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
You've come up early, you're going to get some windfall next year.
00:26:23
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
You're going to be, yeah, coming back up again, maybe stronger, you can invest in a little bit better. It'll be interesting.
00:26:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, and I can see it from the board's perspective.
00:26:33
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
but
00:26:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think they want to spend the 15 million that it's going to cost to to get rid of Martin and his staff, especially if that's money that they can potentially invest in january and try and salvage something from the season but i don't think that anyone uh from our fan base has the confidence in the board to make the signings that can make that save to be honest i don't know if you're feeling a bit more positive than that zach as the self
00:27:02
Zak
As you pointed out once before, Greg, the only time I've seen you really sad on this podcast was when you went, who's going to want to come? And that that lives in my head rent free, because you're right. we could We could put out all the feelers in the world, but you tell you say, by the way, we're probably going to be out of the Premier League next season.
00:27:17
Zak
You're going to have to drop down sort of to a talent below the ones that you're ah ah aiming for. So yeah, i don't I don't see a miracle happening, but who knows?
00:27:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Alright mate, the Saints way would be for it to be Oxlade, Chamberlain and more Prowse to come back and see how that goes.
00:27:27
Zak
It's Christmas, innit?
00:27:28
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
What?
00:27:32
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
Yeah, and then Matt at the CA.
00:27:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
so Yeah,
Podcast Conclusion and Future Plans
00:27:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
that's it.
00:27:36
Zak
We're so obsessed with our old players. It's mad, but you're right.
00:27:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well that is just about all we've got time for today so thank you very much for listening and joining us. Chris, thanks for joining us, it's been a pleasure and Zach as always.
00:27:47
Chris _Swerv_ Mervyn
No problem at all. Enjoyed it, thanks guys.
00:27:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah We'll be back tomorrow with our preview and we look forward to seeing you then.