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Episode 86: Match Review Monday - MARTIN IS GONE!
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Southampton – The Club has announced it has parted ways with Russel Martin in a move that absolutely nobody is describing as shocking. As always we have lots of thoughts...
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Transcript
Introduction of Hosts
00:00:09
Zak
Hello and welcome to the Daily Southampton, a podcast managed by your host Dackingo Finch and my co-host Gregory Elliott.
Manager Russell Martin Sacked
00:00:18
Zak
But Southampton Football Club, as of about five minutes ago, is no longer managed by Mr baselll martin rassa wassselman
Reflection on Missed Games and Personal Anecdotes
00:00:28
Zak
Russell Martin. Russell Martin. Greg, you went to that game. I almost had the opportunity to go to that game, but I decided to stay warm and miserable at home.
00:00:38
Zak
considering I'm nursing a slight amount of hangover today. Shout out to my friend Sam for drinking Jamesons with me most of the day yesterday.
00:00:45
Zak
elsaco two it turned out to be electric boogaloo
00:00:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Well, look, I sent you a message maybe even before half time.
00:00:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
I can't remember. It's all a bit of a blur, to be honest, that said, I don't even think they'll wait till the morning.
Twitter Rumors and Board Decisions
00:00:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I mean, that's proven true.
00:01:02
Zak
There was noise talking around Twitter about how the board were going to meet in and this and the other. They were trying to discuss what to do. And where I'm at is that considering the length of the statement. In fact, the first thing I said, because just before we started, you're like, oh, God, he's gone quick. Have a look. And the first thing I said was they didn't even use a picture of the corner flag. It was the Ted Bain statue.
00:01:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah i
00:01:27
Zak
We haven't even talked about the game because let's face it,
Player and System Changes Post-Manager Departure
00:01:29
Zak
what is there to talk about?
00:01:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
don't want to mate we lost there are some positives to take from it right none of the goals we conceded were direct passing back i hope that
00:01:30
Zak
We got drubbed 5-0 by Spurs.
00:01:35
Zak
Well, it doesn't none of it. It's all pointless because now it's all going to be a new system. All those players that hoped to you know all those players that played in the Russell Martin system and had key roles, everything's up in the air now. It could be anybody that comes back in. Bela Kotchap could get a look in, whatever.
00:01:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
I just hope that whoever we get in is slightly more pragmatic, like I understand the want to have a philosophy and a style and I get that, and I get that that's a thing in football and i and I hate it to be honest.
00:02:00
Zak
Yeah.
00:02:03
Zak
Yeah.
Player Positions and Formations Discussed
00:02:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, we've heard my room 101 thoughts on Pep Guardiola and what he's done for football, but like, we just need, we've got players, some of them are good, some of them aren't, but we should play to our strengths and clearly stick into our philosophy wasn't wasn't it?
00:02:07
Zak
Agreed.
00:02:17
Zak
Yeah, some of them are. No, you're right. It is mad.
00:02:24
Zak
It
Dissecting Southampton's 5-0 Loss to Spurs
00:02:24
Zak
is mad.
00:02:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, you know, let's put team out and play to the strengths of that team and not stick 11 players in positions that aren't necessarily their best.
00:02:25
Zak
it
00:02:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
and try
00:02:35
Zak
The idea, I know that there's a lot of talk about this idea that, oh, it's to get him a job afterwards. i I genuinely don't think that is what it is. I genuinely think that he has gone out of his way and is out of his depth. And shout out to my other friend, James Peach, who I constantly talk about this situation. and He texts me about when we were about 3-0 down, like, how are you doing, buddy? Knowing full well that I was miserable as sin.
00:03:00
Zak
But he' he he said from the start and something I've kind of agreed with him on and made my point a few times that it feels like we came up too early, but that statement reads as if the board seemed kind of baffled that we seem to like just suck as bad as we do, but 2
Pre-Match Observations and Team Formation
00:03:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
The first half, but it was miserable as well, like it was the worst I've ever seen us play.
00:03:15
Zak
-5 nil losses.
00:03:16
Zak
like
00:03:20
Zak
it like like I've got, so here's my notes, pre-match, Syllabarner was a weird choice, but fair enough, we're trying to go for a four at the back.
Russell Martin's Legacy and Departure
00:03:27
Zak
kind of understand but less ideal. Bit weird that they're bang on a lap tall pool for ages and not playing.
00:03:31
Zak
Armstrong playing as our only striker hasn't worked out so far but let's see how it goes.
00:03:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
He actually played on the right wing, Diblin went through the middle, so.
00:03:36
Zak
and my first note yeah My first note was one minute in, not even one minute in and we're 1-0 down James Madison. 11 minutes. Booze all around. Sun scores too.
00:03:46
Zak
We've been shocking. What else is there to say? three goals and then obviously Sullamada the sacrificial lamb to the slaughter gets taken off, Nathan Wood gets brought on because we we have to go yeah because we have to go back to that apparently the way we've played over and over because you know we're already three nil down what what should we change and I said like my note there is just I'm a bit shell shocked and then it's just spurs again and then fans go at home literally don't blame them and then five nil down Martin went down the tunnel before he even and it's a
00:03:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I'll be a comment on him because...
00:04:15
Zak
It's a really sad reign to a man that brought me one of the best footballing days of my like my life. right like that That day at Wembley was incredible. We went on an unbeaten streak, but like to come up and just sit in...
00:04:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's sad because actually I I ah really like Russell Martin, which it's odd.
00:04:31
Zak
Yeah, he's a nice guy. He's likeable, at least in my opinion.
00:04:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah he he you know He was very likeable and put out the right attitude. He really unified our players last season a way that we hadn't seen for a long time.
00:04:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
We'd been a very split dressing room, a very split fan base,
Football Philosophy and Game Outcomes
00:04:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
and he really brought everyone together.
00:04:51
Zak
Yeah.
00:04:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
and You know, it was a real people person from the outside looking in and really brought everything together nicely. And yeah, it's a shame to see him go out on such a whimper, but it's, it can't surprise anyone.
00:05:06
Zak
Yeah, but but it it you can't keep shooting yourself in the foot as much as we have. And like him talking about how he's he's really rigid to his philosophy and and him, you know, like, it might be the Anj, Big Anj today, he got that 5-0 win, but that's just paper and overspurge cracks, they're getting on to the same problem with sticking to a specific rigid philosophy.
00:05:26
Zak
You're right, look at Guardiola, stuck to a rigid philosophy, and since they beat us, they haven't won a lot, like a game?
00:05:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:05:33
Zak
you know go 2-1 down today he says he doesn't even know what to do because
Atmosphere at St Mary's and Future Predictions
00:05:36
Zak
for once in his life plan A is not going right and he doesn't know what to do with plan B and that's that's the problem with Russell Martin is that plan A never worked plan B I'm still a little bit shocked like I know I was shell shocked by the result and I'm shell shocked that he's gone because we've been banging on frages but it really does feel like that Chelsea game was the turn and they've obviously and him his cryptic comments in the week about how he needs more like sort of he was talking about how he needs to get more results to to get money and that's basically them saying you need to actually start putting points on the board and why would we back you and so that already is a bit like well that's very different to the few weeks ago when you had the backing of the board but it's just weird that it's taken so long and it's like they genuinely thought have they been paying attention did they genuinely think we'd start getting results because I
00:05:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:06:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:06:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
Game Day Atmosphere and Fan Reactions
00:06:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, no idea. I really don't know. And do you know what the upsetting thing is? Like it was, there was a real positive vibe around St Mary's before the game.
00:06:25
Zak
don't know what they thought the turning point would be so weird
00:06:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
I know that there were some people out with their banners, but actually the atmosphere was good. We were singing. We were happy. We had the big banner, to get him away. So I couldn't see anything. I had to load up beauty sport on my phone so I could see the players are out of the tunnel.
00:06:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
uh, but you know, it was a positive atmosphere and it lasted 35 seconds.
00:06:55
Zak
Well, but yeah, and and like
00:06:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
And then after that, it was baffling. Like sun was consistently left unmarked. um ah don't don't know I don't know if that's down to tactics or down to bad play.
00:07:06
Zak
I just wondered what you're doing for the week training and the problem is is like as much as it is Russell Martins and I think that another telling comment which to be honest I don't really understand why Ramstad agreed to be a punder but at a game he probably should have been playing and he'll probably be playing this week coming up because some of the sound bits you've probably not heard in even but like one of the things he was asked about
00:07:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:07:27
Zak
was like, sort of, he's like, yeah, no, I kind of, I kind
Player Efforts and System Critiques
00:07:30
Zak
of feel sorry. I kind of feel sorry for us and you know, but I feel for the fans more. But then you've also had Armstrong saying like confidence comes from wins and we're not, we're not, that's not what every, we're giving everything.
00:07:40
Zak
But he's talking about, there's a lot of talk, if you read between the lines of like, we're playing the system the best we can. And it's that very much to me is, okay, so they're all smiles when they come in, but realistically, they know that something
00:07:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Perfect.
00:07:53
Zak
they're not going to be able to play this way and win. And the thing is, is if you've lost all confidence in yourself at that point, do you genuinely think that you're going to go on to win a game? and And like, I know that you were a lot more positive from the start.
00:08:05
Zak
I think I was positive in the fact that I i said we would maybe score because we've not, it feels like an eternity since we scored. and And we will talk about the game eventually. And there were a couple of chances, mainly dibbling, you had some for cracking strikes, they just didn't play off right.
00:08:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but do you know why that happened, Zach? It's because it was abundantly clear from half-time that Russell Martin was getting the sack.
00:08:20
Zak
But
00:08:23
Zak
It's just... Spurs were just...
00:08:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so, kind of dibbling, stopped playing Russell Martin's style of football, dribbled the ball and had a shot.
Game Statistics and Analysis
00:08:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
like
00:08:35
Zak
You're right. so So let me give you the stats of today. so ah BBC News' News' headline was Sparkling Spurs Thrashed Feeble Southampton. And the stats were... Goals scored. Tottenham?
00:08:45
Zak
Five? Us? Zero? Expected goals. I know we hate XG, but it's still a thing. We had 0.68, which checks out.
00:08:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
What does that mean?
00:08:54
Zak
at nothing, but they had 2.61, so that's a lot of a bigger number than ours. We had nine shots to their 18.
00:08:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
made up
00:09:01
Zak
Bear in mind that only but seven of those came in the second half, three shots on target to their nine, 15 touches in the opposition box to their 28. Our possession percentage, that's why we really that's why you really got the sack mate, because it was 41% today.
00:09:14
Zak
We weren't at 80, that's just...
00:09:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's the main possession, isn't it? That's the main statistic that we care about in the book.
00:09:17
Zak
Yep. And and but but we had only 8 vows committed and we we didn't do our standard thing of bravery. and have a ah ah sure We keep making jokes but because it's ah ah it is is like we have become the cosmic joke and I think that There's a lot of stuff this week that's come out about Sports Republic and our owners that we haven't even touched on. And we were almost thinking about doing a a wildcard for it. We might still talk about it. About, you know, today they opened up the Dell Pub and I was like, oh,
Fan Experience and Matchday Expenses
00:09:45
Zak
that's exciting. and Saw some of the beers on tap and thought that was cool. These influencers coming out and talking about it with the the CEO of Sports Republic. And then you've got, and then you've got like, you telling me it's a tenner to get in.
00:09:56
Zak
And I'm like, I'm sorry! You are already being fleeced for bolt-ons and matchday and this and that and the other. And now, to drink at your local football club pub, because let's shut down all the boosters on the outside of it, you now need to pay a tenner to get through the doors like it's 2004.
00:10:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's not me, because you're first point three, Yeah.
00:10:16
Zak
Oh, perfect. So there you go. It's only £7, £8 a pint. And the thing is, is that that they they have suddenly realized that, well, if we go down to the championship and we do so bad, we go down again and we have to start paying millions of pound compensation here and there, all of their wonderful business plans that they have aren't going to go anywhere.
00:10:35
Zak
And I wouldn't be surprised if realistically this the under 21's boss that's coming in is in charge to the end of the season and and then they bring another manager in.
Speculation on New Managers
00:10:42
Zak
Because then, like, I don't know how fan pressure goes, like,
00:10:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
maybe I don't know I think that okay I think can tell you Zach that but looking at the live betting odds for the next Southampton manager that the current favourite to take over at St Mary's uh is Rafa Benitez
00:10:49
Zak
Well sure, come on, what's your thoughts? Because I haven't even had time to... I haven't had time to process it, and some of the names that have been thrown out there, like, so... People are genuinely thinking we're getting in Ten Harg. Ten Harg, you spent, like, a couple hundred... Oh, me! Rafa Benite!
00:11:18
Zak
Like, I'm sorry, but like, we're we're talking about how we're barely able to afford like...
00:11:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hang on, that's not even as funny because 7th favourite, not particularly long 15-2 shot is Ralph Hasenhall.
00:11:25
Zak
just...
00:11:32
Zak
That, now that, that is very Southampton. I have seen, let's, let's let Danny, let's Adam Lallana take charge until forever, which, bear in mind, he's still technically a player, not that we see him on the pitch.
00:11:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:11:44
Zak
And then one of the other things I saw was, let's get Danny Rollback, who was Hasenholt's assistant, which is like, yeah, no you're right.
00:11:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh right
00:11:51
Zak
Let's get another championship manager and let's bring him back for the nostalgia factor.
00:11:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right, I've got thoughts.
00:11:55
Zak
Why don't we bring back Sellers?
00:11:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've got thoughts and I'm going to cover it, but first we should have one break.
00:11:58
Zak
What are your thoughts, mate? Let's go. Oh, we got ad breaks, haven't we? Oh, goodness gracious me. I forgot this. it's always This is the same conversation, by the way, listeners, that me and Greg would be having if you weren't here.
00:12:08
Zak
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00:12:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, so I've got some thoughts, right?
00:12:42
Zak
What are your thoughts my friend?
00:12:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think think it's abundantly clear That we're probably not going to be getting in a world-class manager for a number of reasons, right? Okay. There are several very sensible reasons that that's not going to be the case.
00:12:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because above all else, why would Rafa Benitez come and manage Southampton?
00:12:56
Zak
Yes, that's correct.
Long-Term Strategies and Relegation Impact
00:13:02
Zak
This is, this is, this is the, who?
00:13:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
who It's guaranteed champion.
00:13:05
Zak
Who wants to come here?
00:13:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
next But that's, that's the thing, right? So here's what I think the only correct answer is that isn't completely defeatist, right? You don't come out and say we've relegated, we've given up for the season because that's ridiculous.
00:13:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
But you, you take on a manager and it'll probably be a young unheard of manager and there'll probably be some noise about that.
00:13:25
Zak
It's
00:13:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that's, that's fair.
00:13:28
Zak
fine.
00:13:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
I understand it, but you make it clear from the outset that it's a project. You're not expecting them to turn it around overnight and suddenly stay in the Premier League because like,
00:13:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
good unless you bring in, I don't know, Albus Dumbledore in to come and work his magic.
00:13:49
Zak
but
00:13:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like what's going to, what is realistically keeping us in the Premier League? I just don't see it. Right. Uh, and what I want to see is someone come in and give it a go and try and get points and win games, but with the site to build for next season.
00:14:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right.
00:14:13
Zak
Yeah.
00:14:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think it needs to be made clear to the, but we're going to have players who are with us, who aren't going to stay with us if we go down to the championship. And I think but just they might be the best players on the pitch for us, but a bit of a build for the future. Let's, let's get some of our youth and some of our fringe sign-ins up to speed. So the, when we get to the championship next year,
00:14:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
uh we can hit the ground running we won't have to do a full rebuild we'll know where we're at we'll have assessed it beforehand we'll have some sort of system hopefully with some pragmatism involved um and we'll just go and win the championship uh comfortably because we have taken that time to build we won't have that awkward teething period at the start we'll know where we're at and go from there that that's the hope right and and that's That's the sort of image that Sports Republic are pushing that they're going to try to go for.
00:15:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's their long-term
Player Opportunities Post-Manager Sacking
00:15:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
commitment and their long-term plan. Is either that or what? Get big salmon and try and stick it out to the end of the season. like i don't
00:15:23
Zak
I have seen some suggestions of big Sam out of dice, which is nuts to me, but but doesn't this is lovely, but my problem is is that they need to get that manager sooner rather than later.
00:15:33
Zak
And I'm hoping by the sounds of it, if this was so well prepared, they've got targets in mind and hopefully they can do something about it.
00:15:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:15:39
Zak
My big problem is that they'll end up doing what they did with Ruben Sellis and we end up having a couple of months now with this under 21 coach. And then we go into the championship and then it's a new manager and we will almost play the same fiddle
00:15:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah Yeah
00:15:52
Zak
the same song as we did last time round. But the problem is is that for the the cash flow for there their projects, they're going to need to, but they can't yo-yo a year and year out because one day they're going to slip up and you're going to end up with massive financial problems. And then they'll sell up and maybe you know maybe we get bought out by some conglomeration that has billions of pounds and we can buy everyone that we want under the sun. But you're right, the the pragmatism and realism of how the rest of the season is now is is going to kick in and take over soon. know
00:16:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, you don't want to see them give up.
00:16:21
Zak
A word on...
00:16:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, no one wants that.
00:16:24
Zak
No, not at all.
00:16:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
We don't want to be on the beach for the rest of the season, but you have to be realistic and we're not, we can't throw everything out in the kitchen sink at it or it'll ruin our club.
00:16:35
Zak
Yeah, and this this is the thing is is that, you know, ultimately that that isn't going to be what happens that even some of the most influential voices in the sort of sciences community will say the same. and it's It's sad that it's ended up like this for Russell Martin.
00:16:48
Zak
One of the things that one of the points I want to make is that, it's for me, it's going to be a very interesting time now for the players that are still here. There are players who are absolutely incredible. There are people that still work. Karl Walker-Peter still works at 5-0 down.
00:17:00
Zak
i don't he will get He will get a move in January at the end of the season and it will be well deserved from a pat on the back because he's not witnessed at all.
00:17:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
yep fully deserved oh yeah i've got not a bad word to say about him he wasn't great in the first half but he still ran and ran and ran and in the second half he was one of i think four players like a name that really gave it
00:17:10
Zak
No.
00:17:15
Zak
Well, i've I've got the ones that I wrote down. Well, I say I wrote them down. I didn't. I text you because I stopped making notes most of the second half, because what was the point? yeah We haven't conceded more. That's a win. Fernandez, Dibbling, Karl Walker-Peters, and I ironically Manning before he went off, who will probably be slightly upset because I have a feeling now that there are a lot of players that they maybe if they put in, I don't want to criticize them too much, but also they are the reason that they haven't been able to score the goals, they haven't been able to be as good to fit the system.
Fans' Humor and Small Victories
00:17:47
Zak
It can't all be down to the manager. There will be players now who have been crucial parts of our season that might not be and might, you know, might end up moving on. There will be loans that are probably terminated.
00:17:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, but I mean that something's got changed.
00:17:58
Zak
But yeah but it's it what I mean is that it's a it is a time now, there are opportunities for everyone in abundance.
00:18:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:18:05
Zak
So now is going to be the time where no matter what happens, hopefully, we we can start to move something to towards something more positive. Our tactics Tuesday's episodes, Greg, will actually have something to talk about because we're not going to play exactly the same way we can week out with exactly pretty much the same lineup.
00:18:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Oh, that's funny.
00:18:22
Zak
And we're going to have all of the same mistakes. itll be It's just sad that I had to go like this, I think, is where everyone's like, like, no one wanted it to be like this.
00:18:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm. Yeah. a look right My main highlight of the night to take away is how fantastic the fans that stayed were in the second half.
00:18:38
Zak
Oh, yeah.
00:18:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
They had a great time singing away all the old songs and all the old players.
00:18:39
Zak
hundred percent 100%. Oh, I could hear, yeah.
00:18:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Even cheering players who put the shift in on the pitch, right? Because we were singing for Tyler Diblin and Matty Fernandez and Joe Arribo and Walker Peters because, you know, played, they put their in and You know, we have a little zombie nation for the offside goal.
00:19:03
Zak
I heard that.
00:19:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
for
00:19:04
Zak
yeah Enjoyed all of that. And that's the thing, like,
00:19:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
My actual highlight of the entire night was actually with when they do the halftime relay, obviously the kids go and run on and both the teams, the white and the red team scored past Mary Saint in the goal in front of the Northam, at which point in the entire Northam burst into, we scored a goal.
00:19:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
we
Fan Loyalty and Management Reactions
00:19:26
Zak
way Yeah.
00:19:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was beautiful.
00:19:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
cause you got a You've got a laugh. If you didn't laugh, you'd cry.
00:19:32
Zak
that That's the thing, right? like there are There is a certain percentage of the fanbase that did, and their anger was shown, and they were annoyed at the fans for not being angry. But also, like you know you pay you're a paying season ticket holder, mate.
00:19:43
Zak
you You go with your kids. You don't want to be miserable and bitter all about everything in life, because, to be honest, it's character building.
00:19:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
and you know in the fact We got the negativity tea out of the way in the first half, right? like we There were some sacks in the morning charts and and your football's not great, I think is what they were saying.
00:19:55
Zak
yeah we yeah heardable too
00:20:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're not a huge fan of your football, Russell Martin.
00:20:02
Zak
ba It's not even that.
00:20:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh
00:20:03
Zak
so so what you what you What you'll get to enjoy when you watch the highlights back as well is that it's
00:20:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't think I'll be watching it back. I'll be honest with you mate, it's not on my to-do list.
00:20:13
Zak
Some of the, some of the hot, like not hot mic in, but some of the the things that were being picked up by the microphones in the background was just absolutely incredible from the sort of fans and especially the fans behind Russell Martin.
00:20:25
Zak
The, the asking him to give you a wave and then that is but going to be the last real interaction he's had with the fans and that's mental.
00:20:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
you Ask him from where you've been and then ruin him when he
00:20:33
Zak
Just, just ah mugging him off completely. and like And it's it is sad because like one of the things, so so a quote that I wrote down that got but really got on my wick was but some of the commentary talking about how our short memories of those fans, you got us up at Wembley.
Game Breakdown and Tactical Analysis
00:20:48
Zak
And I'm like, no, it's not short memories. It's been it's been since like September. We've been watching this weekend. We have this podcast because he managed to get us to the Premier League.
00:20:59
Zak
like I'll always be thankful for that as well because we have a great time doing this.
00:20:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
right
00:21:02
Zak
so and But it's one of those things that, yeah like, what want you how much how much goodwill do you think he had in the bank? And and like I genuinely thought that Sports Republic wouldn't do anything until that Chelsea game, because as soon as the stadiums started to turn and they were all there, and you could tell at that point they were like, oh, no, because it affects money flow.
00:21:22
Zak
Once the cash flow becomes a problem, but you don't want to be humiliated.
00:21:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:21:25
Zak
like We don't want to be the team that has the lowest points in the Premier League.
00:21:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll tell you Zach, I I ah turned around at the start of the second half and I was talking to my son who he was pretty despondent at this point, you know, it's a late night on a Sunday night and we were losing 5-0 and I said, look mate, it's alright, we could have the second half of Dreams and come back and draw 5-0.
00:21:28
Zak
We already now,
00:21:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
at which point the hedge steward who happened to be stood next to me went, do I need to pull you out for drug testing?
00:21:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
say
00:22:00
Zak
is yeah There you go, here's some here's some of the other stats I wrote wrote down when this was still a podcast about the the post-match. It was 30 seconds as the oldest, girliest goal, so I am going to concede in the Premier League games Stoke goalkeeper, Azimir Begovic, scored after 13 seconds in November 2013.
00:22:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:22:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
brilliant yeah you know what right all right okay let's let's have a message from our from our partners and then let's have a little talk about the game because because I've got I've got some opinions as well yeah
00:22:17
Zak
And yeah, just general other bits and pieces, it's just, I thought I had more stats than that, that was a lot.
00:22:32
Zak
That's fine. We should probably maybe talk about the game as well and see see where we go from here. So the Global Sports Podcast Network is changing the face of football podcasting with dedicated daily content for every Premier League team, women's football, fantasy football and a daily Premier League wrap-up broadcasted in five different languages. This is your one-stop shop for your daily football fix. Find GSPN wherever you find your usual podcasts. Right, so I guess, mate, I guess, mate,
00:22:58
Zak
We should probably talk about the fact that there was also a game of football in amongst the fact that Russell Martin got fired and was probably the nail in the coffin.
00:23:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:23:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh look, we we're very lucky.
00:23:06
Zak
Because if we'd gone out and drawn it would have been different, I reckon.
00:23:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're very lucky right that we we've been assisted here because we've only actually got 45 minutes of football to talk about because nothing happens. Right.
00:23:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Let's be very clear.
00:23:19
Zak
You're right.
00:23:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. We had a couple of shots. They had a couple of shots and, and, but they took their foot off the gas and we continue to knock it around at the back, uh, to ironic cheers of all a, uh, despite being five nil down, you know, we won the second half nil nil.
00:23:30
Zak
No, not even slightless.
00:23:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's fine, but right let's, let's, if we break it down, okay. So the first goal. We clearly just hadn't switched on and Spurs did hit us quickly.
00:23:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was like a knife through bang game done. And that was game done because at that point, but at that point, the heads dropped.
00:23:53
Zak
That was game done.
00:23:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah The players heads completely gone. The second goal, they got very lucky. It took a deflection on the way through to a completely unmarked son. And he shouldn't have been unmarked. If he wasn't unmarked, he probably didn't score.
00:24:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
The fifth goal right on halftime. was an unbelievable piece of skill by jose madison he just had all of our defenders on toast nothing alex mccarthy could have done about that and the other two i think were tapins so yeah don't know i i just don't know
00:24:25
Zak
So, obviously, b i guess we'll I guess we'll try and talk about it tomorrow a little bit more, but obviously, we changed the shape to be more aggressive, and then it turns out that we just forgot to defend. Is that what happened, do you reckon? It was so weird. it just feels like It just feels like at this point, like they spent the whole week trying to do this like aggressive training, went one nail down and just went, I just can't be bothered anymore.
00:24:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
they did the yeah but the credit where credit's due Tottenham pressed us and that was the downfall of the system done because but like we Harwood Bellis did not have a great game didn't cover himself in glory I don't think he'd managed to pass it to a Southampton player that wasn't the Ambednarak at any point during the game and three or four times the ball came out to him in the same sort of way that we play out from the back and that's fine he tried the little lifted ball into the midfield
00:24:49
Zak
and like
00:24:55
Zak
or it's always been a downfall of the system.
00:25:01
Zak
Nope.
00:25:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
And every single time it went to a Spurs player, but in his defense, when he was in that position, in, you know, 10 yards from his own goal, looking up, there were just no options. Everyone was completely covered. There's no way he could have put the ball where a Saints player was getting it. The midfield were it just wandered off somewhere. And you're right, maybe it was because we were trying to play this aggressive football, but there were just no options for him. And so what could he do? and then McCarthy started, from the start, it has to be said that McCarthy did not really play it short at all.
00:25:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
He kept kicking it out. But as we've discussed before, Alex McCarthy's distribution is shocking. So what were we expecting?
00:25:59
Zak
yeah yeah you're right
00:26:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, like there was a time recently where Alex McCarthy's long goal kicks were so bad that Flynn Downs was taking goal kicks. So yeah it was just it was poor and we were poor we couldn't get out because there were no balls to play forward and every time
Concerns Over Relegation and Future Direction
00:26:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
they ran at us they looked like they were gonna score and if if they were better at shooting than they were it could have been six by 30 minutes uh
00:26:25
Zak
Yeah, you're right.
00:26:32
Zak
i think I think I almost took a little bit of umbrage when when when Chris in the Proseau represented to us, oh you're Southampton, you know we should be beating you, easy, 3-0, and I was like, oh come on, don't do that, like that's something we've been written off before, and a genuinely, yeah, and then you just went, and you know what, I pulled my hands up, I just don't know
00:26:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
and then you watch the first quarter or an hour of the game and went, ooh, 3-0 would be a touch.
00:26:58
Zak
where it all went wrong and this is why I said like, is it because we've come up too early? The system's definitely played a part. Do we just not have good enough players? Recruiting a bunch of free agents and people from relegated sides probably wasn't the wisest decisions.
00:27:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
But the fact of the matter is that we struggled with mentality all year.
00:27:13
Zak
I'm hoping that it's just lessons learnt.
00:27:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it was always the way. And we well and as a system and as a team, we struggle when we're getting pressed. And that is how it has been the entire season. And so Spurs has the perfect formula, scoring the first 30 seconds and then press for the next 10 minutes.
00:27:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
And that's it, game over. You don't have to do anything for the rest of the game because it's out of reach.
00:27:34
Zak
At least it wasn't nine, mate.
00:27:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:37
Zak
Three, nine. It was sort of in warful.
00:27:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, we shut up shop in the second half, but also Spurs stopped trying quite so hard.
00:27:42
Zak
Well, they gave they gave a a teenager a debut. They had at one point sort of about four teenagers on the pitch.
00:27:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:27:49
Zak
I think it is is not even really a legacy. it is like a It is a really upsetting way to end what would have been a fantastic journey.
00:28:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:28:00
Zak
had Russell Martin been more pragmatic and maybe he'll learn that going into his next job and hopefully it's a lesson for Sports Republic as to well maybe when they gave it to Jones and then sack Jones maybe that was too early and maybe with Russell Martin they've stayed on and a lot later and hopefully as an ownership group yeah.
00:28:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's the real concern, right? Is because for every time we've gone and found an unknown manager, that's been a Cuban or a Pochettino, we've also had a,
00:28:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
uh, Puelle or I've been Nathan Jones.
00:28:33
Zak
Purell wasn't even that bad. Pellegrino was the one you're thinking about, who bought Corrello, I can't even remember if that's his name, the striker that never scored for us.
00:28:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Pellegrino, yeah. Yeah.
00:28:41
Zak
and And this is the problem, but obviously we have a new ownership now, and the only thing you can hope is that they're learning.
00:28:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:28:46
Zak
And the problem is if if we're if our club is meant to be the crux of this multi-ownership backbone of their footballing empire, you you can put up nice fancy bars, you can try and make Southampton not smell of pee as much as you want,
00:29:01
Zak
The problem with all of that is if you do not have good football to watch and a football club that is doing well, none of it's going to matter because no one's going to go and spend 50, 60 quid on a match day if you're playing late and orient, no offence to late and orient, in league one. And like there is a real possibility that if they don't start to sort out the football inside of things a lot better going forward.
00:29:23
Zak
that That is where we're going to end up. Mismanagement through clubs' finances has resulted in many titans falling and and we will not be the first or the last if they don't start to figure out what to do.
00:29:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm hmm.
00:29:36
Zak
And like, it's just...
00:29:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it has to be said a lot of goodwill towards these extra penny-pinching ways is running out, right?
00:29:42
Zak
Yeah, because you you can't.
00:29:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because we haven't talked about it yet, but £22.50 for an FA Cup third round game against Swansea. That's a joke. like
00:29:51
Zak
There's a lot. there's They, you know, going 27 games unbeaten last season and having all of that good with the bank. Like as far as it, we're back to even, I wouldn't even say we're back to square one. We're now like minus 10. Like this is at least when it didn't, we didn't know relegation was confirmed the season. We went down last until the end of the day, right? Like we still had James well, proud scoring three kicks sellers kind of was a bit of wet blanket after we had Nathan Jones. We were all just happy that Nathan Jones was gone, to be honest, by that point.
00:30:22
Zak
But there's just something about this that like before it gets any worse, as you said, I'm really hoping that similar to you, that there is something to look forward to, whether that be a project, a good new manager,
00:30:36
Zak
new personnel, so be ah there'll be a mass exodus, I feel, in January. And if we have to bring back in a dozy or we bring back Shay Charles, you bring back some of the players we we put out on loan because we thought they weren't ready for the Premier League.
00:30:47
Zak
but All the players we brought in to be ready for the Premier League, a lot of them haven't done anything anyway. you you kind of Some of those players that didn't work out are us, like Solomano. I don't have any i will against him.
00:30:59
Zak
I feel sorry for him this evening. I don't think that was his fault at all.
00:31:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
not even a little bit and and to to his credit he was only on the pitch 15 minutes and actually he got forward going and got on the ball two or three times in that period of time so
00:31:02
Zak
But also,
00:31:07
Zak
can you
00:31:12
Zak
Yeah. and And like, this is my point is that some of those players are not going to want to play for us anymore. And do you know what? Fair enough. but And essentially it's just what we don't want to be doing is having the same discussion every two years.
New Manager Candidates and Season Expectations
00:31:23
Zak
And that's my big fear is that are we going to become this yo-yo club that goes up and down because we were pretty established. We had ownership nightmares up the wazoo, but since Sports Republic have taken over, they've relegated us, got us straight back up. And by the looks fit of it, relegating us again.
00:31:37
Zak
And now it's not going to be, but this is, this is the thing though.
00:31:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Let's hope they've learned from that. right Let's hope they know the gap now. So like they probably thought, oh yeah, but we're buying these players and they'll be they'll come good. But this is this is the learning experience.
00:31:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
right This is the learning curve. So this is their opportunity to learn from that.
00:31:50
Zak
But, Russ is now gone. Russ is now gone. Their skate, like not just their scapegoat, because to be fair, a lot of it is to do with Russell Martin's football, especially with the way that he's just not shifted. But the problem is now is that.
00:32:02
Zak
like Like when you've got somebody in your workplace and if there's somebody that's a ah pain pain and everyone knows that that person's going to go, once they're gone, the focus then shifts across to the to the next person.
00:32:14
Zak
And in in this regards, now that the manager is gone and all that noise about Rustbull's gone, if all of a sudden things still continue to collapse, people then will look up at the owners and they're trying to
00:32:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
A hundred percent.
00:32:28
Zak
charge lots of money and do all this kind of stuff. And yeah, they're investing, but like, I'm not going to lie, I would rather us have a striker that scores goals and watch good football than have an extra type of beer at the fans. And like ah ah now they they're gonna they're starting to realise that because I think, well, I'm hoping they're realising it, but you all you can hope for, and I know that it's a lesson where people will call me cynical, but all you can hope for is that this is a lesson learned and we will go on to do something better.
00:32:57
Zak
We will get a manager that goes on to try and build something. And if we decide to get into a position where we're losing nonstop, we don't just try and do the same thing to fix it.
Future of Southampton FC Speculation
00:33:08
Zak
Who knows? it will be It's going to be a ride, mate. It it feels like it's a new season.
00:33:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
who do who you want in from the from the list of betting odds candidates or if it's someone off the list who do you want who do you think yeah
00:33:18
Zak
Not a single one. I want a random coach from the Belgian league that's going to come in and do a Pochettino. Because every single one of those people talk about, oh, we need to get David Moysters. We're not going to pay the money.
00:33:28
Zak
know And also, why are they going to want to be here?
00:33:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:33:31
Zak
It's going to be somebody who wants to take on a project, right? Remember when we almost got Jesse Marsh, and then he looked at the project and went, nah, mate.
00:33:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:33:39
Zak
And you were telling me that people like Tenharg and stuff, we're not going to get in a last ditch relegation hoof ball manager either.
00:33:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:33:46
Zak
But it also depends that it depends on what their next steps are. If they do decide to get in like a big Sam, you suddenly realise, oh, maybe they cared far more about relegation than they let on.
00:33:57
Zak
And they only suddenly, it's like they've only just started watching us the last couple of weeks. I don't really have a preference.
00:34:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's possible, right?
00:34:02
Zak
I would just like to do something. Yeah, exactly. I would like to see something slightly new, so slightly more exciting, but also something realistic where I don't expect them to come in and get five wins on the bounce.
00:34:13
Zak
ah It's just not going to happen.
00:34:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, it's not half the percent.
00:34:14
Zak
But It needs to be, you know, I would like to see fringe players given a chance. I would like to see what a new manager can do with this set of players that at the very least Russell Martin will leave a plug ah group of players who are quite together, at least most of them. Some of them, obviously, probably not probably going to be popping champagne that he's gone, but there'll be others that are going to be sad because they've they've, you know, they've lost basically somebody that they clearly have a lot of respect for.
00:34:41
Zak
And it'll be interesting to see that it's not as disjointed as it was the last relegation season, but someone could hopefully come in and take that. That's my hope. That's all I've got to hope for.
00:34:51
Zak
I don't know. of Of the betting, of the people on the list of betting that you've got in front of you, Greg, who would you like as manager?
00:35:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
uh no
00:35:00
Zak
Or would you also say, I would just prefer somebody I've never met before?
00:35:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think you're right I think that I think that an unknown is probably our best bet I can there are lots of funny answers right like you imagine Neil Warnock coming in what what character that would be
00:35:22
Zak
that half the players would Half the players would go, I'm crying mate. like And that' and that's that's because...
00:35:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe that's what we need, mate. We've said before that maybe Russell Martin was too nice, but you're right.
00:35:28
Zak
Yeah, but that's...
00:35:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Maybe that might be a stretch.
00:35:32
Zak
Yeah, but it's...
00:35:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't know. Carlos Corbran's on the list. I really like him. I mean, as you know, I've got family links to West Brom, so of' I'm quite familiar with his style of football and the way he plays.
00:35:40
Zak
Got some ties to to West Brom.
00:35:45
Zak
But this is the other thing is...
00:35:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
I like him. He's pragmatic.
00:35:47
Zak
Do you reckon we'll have... Do you reckon they'll do what they've done before? and upset with the fans again and get another championship manager who doesn't know how to keep us from his league and has no experience in the Premier League.
00:35:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I do.
00:35:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean I don't know if he would come to us even if we offered it to him because I think he turned him West Ham in the summer so there are lots of names on this list I definitely don't want that's for sure and there are lots of names on this I don't think that we'll ever come to us Grand Potter why you if if we were gonna get Grand Potter that would have happened long ago I think it's not
00:36:02
Zak
No, not at all. But I find it I i just it's it's hard to read in between the lines of a lot of the statement, right? That's the other thing for me is
00:36:24
Zak
we're not just yeah there's there's a lot of There's a lot of people we would have to pay top, top money to get in on the gamble that we stay up this season. Considering we already would need to break records to stay up, you are talking about a gamble that in my opinion, they are not willing to make.
00:36:40
Zak
So if if if that's a gamble they're not willing to make, we need to start being realistic about who we're going to actually get in.
00:36:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, like I say, we need to, and that's why I think it'll be someone like, or someone like Carlos Corbran from the championship, because it's gonna be a manager that is willing to accept that we're effectively down, alright?
00:36:46
Zak
And I just genuinely think it's going to be someone we don't know.
00:36:59
Zak
But Greg, either way, mate, it's going to be a ride and like it's going to be regardless of what happens now.
00:37:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're not gonna be short of things
Conclusion and Listener Interaction
00:37:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
to talk about, are we?
00:37:07
Zak
Yeah, what number one that but it's the. I think it's just the fact that it's like it's not even it's not even the fact that it's like a new hope, it's the fact that it's new.
00:37:18
Zak
It's something injected into the club that will be different. And that's what I said like the other week. and There's a cliff from me knocking around, which is like changes needed. And I don't care where it is. And it turns out we, you know, we wondered, will it be on the pitch?
00:37:31
Zak
Will it be in person now in January? Turns out the first part of it is the manager. And now let's see who what happens. And maybe, you know, maybe the under 21s coach would do an amazing job and we stay up off him and and we have a new unknown coach that then comes through.
00:37:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:37:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll take it.
00:37:45
Zak
Who knows?
00:37:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'll be happy either way. Let's get past Liverpool first, I guess.
00:37:51
Zak
think
00:37:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
so Our annual trip to Wembley, mate.
00:38:00
Zak
that's gonna tie it to a close on this blockbuster long episode that's almost at 40 minutes because we've had a lot to talk about and I know that we've probably given I feel like we've given a couple of contradictory opinions that you know that's fine because there's a lot of emotions running through us and it's just been a bit
00:38:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. I need to go to bed mate, we've got work tomorrow. Yeah.
00:38:17
Zak
I guess we'll see what tomorrow brings. By the way, it's ah ah it's a new dawn and for me, it's, you know, thank you for everything you've done, Russell. Good luck in your next championship job, wherever it is you go.
00:38:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:38:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, i genuinely I genuinely have no ill feeling towards Russell Martin, but so also I'm really glad he's gone.
00:38:31
Zak
probably
00:38:34
Zak
No, same.
00:38:38
Zak
Yeah, because
00:38:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
So it's really a strange feeling to have.
00:38:41
Zak
It's not a celebratory of when you know nacent Nathan Jones went off with his with his pickup truck into the the hills of Wales with a PE teacher at his back.
00:38:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:38:50
Zak
it's It's going to be Russell Martin taking a few months off with Lucy Pinder on the beach in it. So happy days for him. yeah, it's going to be exciting.
00:38:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
don't know, mate. Yeah.
00:38:58
Zak
We're going to have We're going to have a lot to talk about. We're going to have a lot to look forward to. We might all be mad. I can't wait for next season, all of the fans picking up, putting up pictures of King Russell, being like, I just wish she was back like they they were doing with Hasn't Who a couple of weeks ago.
00:39:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
but I'm looking forward to having and a crossover episode where the first question we're asked is, do you think Martin will get the sack then?
00:39:19
Zak
yeah you're You're right. we should We should just start. It's like having those A4 sheets of paper. like Here's our automatic response for what we think.
00:39:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know
00:39:27
Zak
Who knows? yeah it's it's it's gonna be It's going to be exciting I'm looking forward to enjoying the rest of this ride, of the rest of whatever this season brings. and It might be scary, it might be bad, it might be good, it might be all of those things.
00:39:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
and And now we've got three days to brace ourselves until our next game, so strap it.
00:39:42
Zak
Either way, me and you will get a chat about it mate.
00:39:48
Zak
At least we got a bit of time left. Thank you for joining us today, everyone. Thank you for listening to the mad ramblings of two men, one who is tired because he's hungover, one who is tired because he's had to spend 90 minutes in St Mary's watching a nuts game of football.
00:40:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Let's be honest, I was already salty that it started at seven o'clock on a Sunday. Before the game even it kicked off, I was fuming.
00:40:07
Zak
You are... You are very correct, but at least you had the time of the fantasy.
00:40:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, great.
00:40:14
Zak
Yeah, so thank you very much for listening. Join us tomorrow. I guess we'll try and talk about tactics, but it's going to be difficult because we have no idea what the tactics are for our next couple of games. But then it gives us a chance to talk about the players who we think will come in, who we don't think will come in.
00:40:29
Zak
I get to mention Bella Cottchap again, and Greg will be annoyed about it. We're going to have a good time.
00:40:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Just made it quite glassy.
00:40:35
Zak
So we're going to have a So we're obviously all over the social media. There'll probably be a couple of clips knocking around tomorrow morning.
00:40:44
Zak
We're on Twitter, Blue Sky, Instagram. anywhere any tiktok obviously anywhere anywhere you find content about football we usually try to have a presence and who who do who do you think will be nothing is too far-fetched because let's face it it's a time for change and wonder and I guess with that note we will see you in the next one
00:40:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah And let us know, who do you want to see as the next manager of Sane?