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Jayne Karma Lamo
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Jayne Karma Lamo is a neurodivergent multi-instrumentalist, performer, recording artist and producer from Salmo, BC. Jayne creates dreamy, post-grunge alt-rock, drawing from multiple self produced albums worth of original material. Her signature sound has been influenced by the likes of PJ Harvey, Radiohead, the Dandy Warhols, among many others. Jayne plays with a full band, or is available for solo shows doing live looping or acoustic material. Audiences can expect to be captivated by her otherworldly vocals, moody melodies, and her thought provoking, emotionally charged lyrical content! As a space holder, Jayne also creates deeply relaxing and nourishing soundscapes and very unique immersive sonic journeys for small or large groups.
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Introduction to the Podcast
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You are listening to Something Rather Than Nothing, creator and host Ken Volante, editor and producer Peter Bauer. Hey everybody, this is Ken Volante with the Something Rather Than Nothing podcast and I have a guest
Meet the Guest: Jane Caramelamo
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Kind of lucky to land Jane karma llamo. It is such a great pleasure to reach you up in British Columbia Canada welcome to something rather than nothing Hey, thanks for having me. I'm really excited to be here in chat today Yeah, I uh
00:00:47
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listening to your songs and So excited to encounter your your work via a collaboration with Kanell Melissa Oliveri who's been a guest twice in a co-host. She's even taken over the show once Great friend of the show and it's great to connect with you that way and
Jane's Musical Roots
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Jane, tell us about your connection to music. When you were young, were you an artist? Were you doing songs then? Your connection to creativity. When did you see yourself as a musician artist?
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Yeah, so I have some pretty deep family roots to music that go back to my childhood. My father is a musician. He has always had a really great space for music wherever he's lived. He's had some really epic home studios that I was fortunate enough to be able to play around in as a child and
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you know, playing around with microphones and drum kits and all sorts of fun instruments of like the 80s and 90s was pretty exciting as a kid. So I would definitely say that my
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first inspiration with music came from my father, whose name is, is Jay. And, uh, yeah, he, he's, he was in a few bands in the eighties, you know, probably the seventies to the sort of local, local bands, uh, with friends and playing gigs and stuff. And, uh, he's recorded some of his own albums in his own studio and.
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So yeah, my roots go back, back to my dad and I've been singing since I was a kid. And my first instrument I picked up was, uh, was the bass guitar. Well, actually, no, I lie the piano. I had some piano lessons before that, which I wasn't really like super into, but, uh, there were a good foundation for music theory.
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But my first, yeah, main instrument that I took seriously was the bass guitar when I was about 11 or 12. Started playing that in the school band and at home.
Evolving as an Artist
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and started playing guitar after that because bass isn't always the most fun solo in your bedroom instrument. I've heard that. Although I have written quite a few songs out of bass lines, I remember at the time finding it a little bit easier to compose songs.
00:03:55
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on the guitar. And so, uh, so yeah, I picked up the guitar around age like 12, 13 and, um, and didn't have a lot of people other than my dad and like his friends, uh, to play music with until I was really like in university.
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other than the school band. And so, you know, I played a little bit of music with others and university, nothing really serious, did some songwriting. I did record an album at about age 16, 17 in my dad's studio that I still have, which I was really proud of at the time.
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And it's a pretty cool time capsule to look back at and listen to. But considering myself an artist, I don't know. I always thought of myself as a musician from the time I started playing instruments. But I never really thought of myself as a serious artist until actually
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maybe in the last four or five years, to be honest. Post raising my kids as young children, I'm kind of at the age as a mom now where I have a lot more flexibility. The kids are a little bit older and more self-sufficient. I can start exploring my identity again beyond a mom. So I've been doing that for the last.
00:05:32
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the last few years. And I feel actually comfortable now calling myself like a professional musician or performing artist. Whereas if you had asked me in my 20s, I probably wouldn't have said that.
00:05:47
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Well, it's good to move into that identity, see yourself in that way. And of course, I find it fascinating to say in the last few years with that.
Musical Style and Influences
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So first of all listeners, Jane does some electronic music on their sacred cranium.
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the soundscapes and you've described your you know the music that you do it's always tough to talk about music but um know what I'm not gonna talk about it how you describe it I'll tell you how I heard it and
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some of my impressions and listen to it. And they're kind of just raw. So there's certain types of music, you know, so like everybody will say, Hey, you know, check out this album, check out this album, right? And you put it, you know, you set it aside and you like, you try to get into it. And
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I started listening to music and it was like I had listened to it before. There was something about the music and not in the repetition, but that the area was comfortable to me. I felt underneath just that deep, the pesh mode, alt rock, feel, a feel tied to it.
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I really, really enjoyed all your music. It fits into maybe my head, music-wise, where I reside. And powerful, powerful as well, with lyrics and vocally. So you got your electronic music, singer-songwriter there.
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and you do some collaborations as well.
Music as a Spiritual Calling
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When you go into soundscape or you're going into this other form of music, are these completely different experiences for you in putting them together? It's just like, this is the manifestation of me and here it comes. What's that experience like for you? Because they're different.
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Yeah, I definitely, music is my main calling. I feel as a spiritual entity, I feel like that's what I need to do. It's my soul's work. But that being said, yeah, it definitely comes out in a variety of ways. So my main thing
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is the alt-rock thing under my spiritual, my Buddhist name is Jane Carmelamo and so I used that name for my main artist name where I do all my alt-rock stuff and singer-songwriter stuff and
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And I also do the electronic stuff under Sacred Cranium. When I initially started releasing stuff, I separated the electronic stuff from the alt-rock stuff because I knew it wouldn't appeal necessarily to the same audiences. And with the electronic stuff, I was being a lot
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cheekier and using a lot more profanity. And so I kind of like cheekier, cheekier edge is good. You need that. Yeah. I, it was kind of, I, I started doing it. I've always, well, I shouldn't say I've since my teens, I've really enjoyed electronic music and I'd say probably like my foray into that was, was nine inch nails. And, uh, and then it just took off from there.
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But my way in was that I started playing around actually with GarageBand. And they have some really awesome stock synths and stuff. And so I didn't have to buy a really expensive synthesizer.
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to make what I thought sounded like pretty cool electronic stuff. So I started just messing around with GarageBand and eventually moved into Logic Pro. And that's how I launched into that. And it's a totally different mood, the electronic stuff.
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Yeah. It's a lot cheekier. It's a lot. I don't know. Like it's, it's less serious. I take myself less seriously with that with under my sacred cranium name. And then, uh, with the soundscapes, I started really getting into that, uh, when I was doing some spiritual work.
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And for a long time was really interested in, in owning some of the really cool acoustic sound healing instruments like crystal bowls and gongs and all of that. And I never really had had the money to really get into that. And, uh,
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And eventually, I was able to afford some of that around the same time I was doing some spiritual work with a beautiful, wonderful person. His name is Angela Prider. And she's been a real mentor for me in my music in general. She's been really supportive.
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of that piece of me being who I am and needing expression. And she invited me to be a part of
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her group, which at the time was called Sisters and Sound, which was four of us women all walking a similar spiritual path. And we were doing events where we would put on an immersive sound journey with sort of spiritual elements
Soundscapes and Healing
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to it for
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for pretty decent size crowds as Angela has a really amazing
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really amazing community down there on the coast, Vancouver, BC area. And so, yeah, I really credit her for really, really making me feel like I could own that and embrace that part of myself. And what has often come out of me over the years more organically is the alt rock.
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stuff. But I really enjoy doing the soundscapes, doing the sound journeys for people because of the way it makes people feel and the healing qualities that it allows for. It's a real privilege to be able to offer that to people and to just create a safe space for people to
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you know, have emotional release and to find peace and calm and grounding energy. So, so yeah, it's sort of more of a,
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more spiritual where I can, I feel like that's more spiritual work, more community service minded work. Um, and, and sort of, yeah, being of service to people with sound, whereas the, the alt rock Jane Caramelamo stuff is, is more like my
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my true, you know, real core self coming out and all my, you know, musical influences from my childhood coming out and, and all of that. And then the electronic stuff is kind of like a fun, fun side thing that I get to sometimes, but not as often. Yeah. Yeah. I was listening to, uh, I hope to pronounce it right. So Faggio five, five 28, uh,
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Last night, folks, I got on band camp, went over there and found Jane. I've practiced and studied Buddhism. My background, I grew up from Rhode Island, which means you grew up Roman Catholic.
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and it out in the east coast in Rhode Island is just a lot of the immigration trends and stuff just a lot of Catholic migration from Quebec mill workers Catholics and Portuguese Catholic like a lot of Catholics there so I grew up.
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But when I went to Marquette University to study philosophy, I started studying Buddhism and then started practicing largely within the Shambhala Tibetan tradition.
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And so I'll never ask for reconciliation of my spirituality. I believe it's particular to my experience, but Buddhism has always been a massive influence, not just intellectually, which is how I approached it initially, but within the practice. And when I heard, when I saw the soundscapes in that work, of course I was able to
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Recognize many of the sounds and I started to think very much as you had talked about it. Mm-hmm. Pardon me just healing with the with the with the sounds I think of when I'm in as within a Buddhist mindset of you know, my my head and meditation and space and thoughts and trying to create some space there, but just the Immersion within sound and how that heals How does sound?
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heal? What do you know? What do you know, Jane, in that? I mean, because it does. I went to sleep. I slept. I very restful sleep. I felt more complete. Thank you, Sofaggio. No, it was a wonderful experience. I don't know everything that happened. But tell me, what is it about the sounds or the soundscapes with you probably thinking about helping people with their suffering? What's going on with those sounds?
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Yeah, I mean, first I want to acknowledge how cool it is that you were part of the Shambhala community, too, because I was meditating with them in Vancouver for a while, too. Yeah, I was actually the Anze who would strike the... I don't want to use the word strike. We were never supposed to use the word strike, but it would sound the big bowl at the beginning of the meditation for a little bit.
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And they were a great community to be part of. And that's really cool that we have that commonality. Yeah, I practice, not to jump in there, but I practice in Milwaukee, Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. So I started to go to that center. And then I lived in Madison, Wisconsin. They had another smaller center. And I've been to like kind of full day retreats out
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in Portland as well. Sorry to interrupt, but that connection where we're both kind of in the same room in some sort of way in different spots. Totally. Totally. That's very cool. Yeah, I will often credit Buddhism as just really being life-saving for me. I didn't grow up Catholic, but I was raised Christian, and it didn't vibe for me.
00:18:01
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after a certain point and I really found Buddhism in my 20s and it was profoundly life changing for me and I've had several different teachers and I've sat with different lineages there and I even had the privilege of
00:18:24
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of being on retreat with Thich Nhat Hanh. What? Yeah, it was a big retreat out at UBC in Vancouver. And there was probably about 700 of us there. And it was only I want to say like only like a couple of years after that, that he had his stroke. Yeah, yeah, that was devastating. Yeah.
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Yeah, so I always feel very fortunate. I was pregnant with my first kiddo when I went on retreat with him. Buddhism has been so powerful for me and that's one of the reasons I chose the Buddhist name that I was given as my artist's name because it kind of just became my name.
00:19:06
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Yeah, because of how powerful that that was for me. So yeah, now I can't remember the question. I feel like it was like, well, wait a second. We had a healing. How is it healing? Right? How is how? Yeah, this just what's what's going on there?
Healing Power of Sound
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Because what a powerful notion, right? I mean, we talked about words and philosophy. I think that philosophy can be used as a
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some sort of heuristics, some sort of like in Buddhism that we're talking about, right, that there is suffering, what we're trying not to do is compound the levels of suffering or suffer over the fact that we are suffering. But what can the sound do for us? What can that sound do for us? How does it heal us? Well, there's actually some pretty cool like science around sound and its healing abilities. And one of the more recent things that I've stumbled across
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is that after a gong bath in particular, there was a person who was doing live blood analysis before and after a gong bath. And they noticed a profound structural change to the blood of people who had experienced a gong bath. And yeah, I think the study included some images from a slide.
00:20:27
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that she had, she or he, I can't remember, I can't remember, but this person had prepared slides of blood that had been drawn before and then after and you could see that like some of the red blood cells were kind of clumped together and sluggish, you know, before the Gong bath and after the Gong bath, everything was sort of
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nicely spaced out and symmetrical and flowing and like it was a really profound difference. And I know that I feel a huge difference when I go to a gong bath. Like it's almost like you can feel it just wash you like wash through your your energy field. Yeah. Yeah. And so that was a cool little scientific piece. And I know there's I mean, there's so many videos where
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where you see somebody projecting some sort of sound wave at water or sand, and then it'll form really cool mandala-like
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formations in whatever medium you're projecting it at, really complex patterns. But they're usually, yeah, like really organized patterns, which is really cool. So I feel like it kind of like,
00:21:58
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I feel like sound has the ability to bring helpful structure to, you know, to chaos in some ways. And even, yeah, even just thinking about using sound as a meditation tool and focusing in on certain sounds during meditation, you know, I can see how
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how that brings a certain structure and focus to the mind. And during some of the sound baths that I do, you know, I really think about what instruments I'm playing and what mood and what kind of focus I want to create at a particular moment. And I feel like
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Yeah, different sounds. Focusing on different sounds, it evokes different feelings, it evokes different states of mind. And different sounds can actually activate different brainwaves. That's been demonstrated in certain studies as well. So some of the sounds that a lot of people are doing sound healing events.
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will choose to play during their events or are known to sort of produce different calming brainwaves and things like that. And we can think about like, you know, in terms of like even those little experiments you can do where you talk to a plant and you say loving things to a plant or
00:23:28
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You know, you say hateful things to a plant and you can see like it just changes the, it changes the life force of the plant. And I think, I think we can only assume that music has to do the same thing. And, but I, but the other thing is that I think that probably music is, I mean, it's such a subjective experience for everybody that
00:23:55
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that you gotta wonder too about like, you know, one piece of music might affect the molecules of one being in a totally different way than it does another being. And so that's a very fascinating aspect of how music can heal us. Cause I mean, I can listen to like a heavy metal song and feel like, you know, empowered and like,
00:24:22
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and alive and my life force is being fed by that music and another person can listen to that same piece of music and it's like nails on a chalkboard. It probably really affects them negatively.
00:24:41
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So yeah, I feel like there's so much to explore in terms of the science of healing of music, but I mean, just intuitively and just anecdotally, I've experienced so much healing from music and, and, uh, you know,
00:24:59
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And from, from all kinds of music, I've experienced healing from, you know, mantra in the same way that I've experienced healing from like, you know, a nine inch nail song. Cause I relate, you know, so much to what's being said or, or just the melody evokes something in me, you know? Um,
00:25:24
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So yeah, I think that music is very healing. And as a musician, being able to pour yourself into your music, music for me is healing in that way as well. Just being able to put my emotions there and to put my thoughts and feelings there in a way that's more safe than just talking about them with others. So I feel like as a musician, as a composer,
00:25:55
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music is healing in that way too. It gives you like an outlet for your feelings and thoughts and allows you to put some structure to it and put it somewhere that is healthy and that other people might listen to and relate to and go, hey, I'm going through that, or hey, I also thought that.
00:26:15
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Or just, you know, for me as a, as a melody person, I always connect to melody first in music more, more so than lyrics. Just being able to relate to a melody and be like, Ooh, that touches me in that way. You know? So yeah. Yeah. Wow. I, um, well, I, I think, I think talking about, uh, there's such a power behind, you know, talking about, you think about.
00:26:41
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healing or being able to receive whatever those energies are through music and I think if you engage with kind of like spiritual work or Buddhism like there's a there's a there's a quest for like beyond the suffering on some level or like whether whatever you come from it like that that there's
00:27:02
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transformation possible. That's one thing that surprised me in doing this show over 200 episodes now. I think when you create something, maybe you could say it with your music. When you start creating things, you will truly never know the why and the how and the what it is. I think maybe the what it is. As it develops, you're like, oh, that's what it is. I couldn't see it then. Part of it for the podcast has been
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healing and then I said well for me like with philosophy right so what is philosophy right like it's a joke right like I know a philosopher I mean it's fun right it's uh oh you studied philosophy what do you do and well meanwhile most philosophers I know are well employed but that's another matter um but like what do you do what do you do with um you know like all these all these big uh you know all these big questions of philosophy for me
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When I went to the university, and I didn't know what I was doing, I graduated high school, smart guy, whatever, and I go to the university, philosophy was the place for me that I could hold everything.
00:28:18
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like intellectually, like I could hold everything there, like why is this? Why is there the universe and all that stuff? Now those are weird ass things to study in late capitalism, like America, but like for me, I needed a place for my head to fit. And I always saw philosophy as therapeutic or the laughing that you do and the absurdity of doing philosophy as therapeutic of studying
00:28:43
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of Buddhism and practice in Buddhism as therapeutic. And the power and the energy of that has been incredible to think about, and collectively too, Jane, right? Like you and I sharing this, or that when you sit in the sangha and you're meditating
00:29:04
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you don't think about all the time that there are others are near you, but everybody's going through this process to move towards something and they can impact you and you can impact you. So I know I'm rambling a bit on that, but it's the power within all those things of expression that at least for me makes me feel like, you know what, I can do this, or maybe with you and your music expression and meditation,
00:29:31
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and soundscapes. I can do this and I can share this. Yeah, yeah. And, and Mash, man, I have like so much respect for, for, for you and, and, and like in doing this podcast and because like,
00:29:52
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I know how hard it is to like, you know, put yourself out there. And, and like, and what I'm sure, like, I don't know what your experience was when you, when you first started putting your, your self expressions out there. But for me, it was like, it was like crickets, man. Like people were like, you know, okay, man, similar, similar experience.
00:30:16
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podcast. You just have to kind of keep pushing through it and being like, okay, this is what I'm doing and it feels right and it feels good. And eventually you get to a place where people are like, okay, okay, I kind of see what you're doing. I see it, I vibe with it.
00:30:37
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And but it takes a certain gumption to get there and to just be like, OK, I'm putting myself out here being vulnerable with my thoughts and my curiosities and everything. And yeah, most artists that I've talked to have a similar experience. It's like when you first start putting stuff out there
00:31:07
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people are just like, you know, whatever or like, or, or they don't even, they don't even look at it. It's like people want to, people don't even want to want to try to look at it or try and listen to it at first until other people are listening to it. And people are like, Oh, well maybe you should, you know, check this out. And like, what's like,
00:31:30
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I mean, for me, I don't know. I, I'm always really curious about my friend's self-expression because I mean, being, I, I've always been a people, people studier. I've always been fascinated with people. My, my degree is in psychology. And, uh, and I love exploring the vastness of people's souls. And like, I, I hate,
00:31:56
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shallow conversation. Like I love just going right into like just deep conversation. Yeah. Because I'm like, this is what matters. You know, I know. And so now I forget where I was going with that.
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That's
Artistry and Imposter Syndrome
00:32:14
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all right. I think there's a particular risk with us doing this show here, which is a good risk. We brought up a lot already and there's probably three embedded questions down below.
00:32:29
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I know what it was. I know what it was now. It was like, I, I'm always curious about other people's art. Like when I, when I know somebody and I find out they're, they're producing art or they're writing or they're, you know, they've got some creative project that they're into. I'm like, yeah, give me that. Like I'm like, I want to see that. I want to hear that, you know, but I think, I think for the masses, that's not always the case. People are just kind of like,
00:32:57
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What? And I actually had one coworker tell me one time, she said, you know what? I didn't listen to your music at first because I thought it would be bad. And I didn't want to hear it and then have it be bad and be embarrassed for you.
00:33:18
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Wow, that's a complicated sentiment. I know. And I was like, I never really thought about it like that. Because I'm just so anxious to just explore people and however they are that I never thought that somebody could be actually like, ooh, this could be awkward if I listen to your music and it's bad. And she was just like, but then I listened to it. And then it was actually really good. Yeah, yeah. It was. That's why I put it up.
00:33:50
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It was funny to me like so yeah like the long and short of that was that like yeah, I really respect you as a as an individual for For doing this and putting yourself out there cuz I know I know how it can be Well, yeah, shing it when it first when you first begin Yeah, I am You know, I I think I think for me part of it was is some
00:34:17
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You know, there are two things one is my general I work my day job as a union organizer, you know, and there's this weird dynamic of like, I don't behaviorally look for affirmation from everybody because it'd be wrong because if I'm affirmed by people who
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really are on the complete opposite side of what I do, then if I'm looking for that affirmation, I'm looking for something that's improper, right? So it's just like how, you know, had taken risks. I did this psychological.
00:34:54
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a quick assessment, you know how there's some of these tests and things like that. And some of them have great validity, this is a high level one, but what it showed was that like I can't do the, no, I can do, but I don't like to spend my time on like all like the details here and this and this and this piece. But when it comes to like risk taking within creation, others, it's like way off the charts, right? So I'm not afraid of taking risks, which was helpful to explain back to me. But the big piece for me,
00:35:22
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And i said a few times during the show was reading amanda pomer's the art of asking. The book and for me as a philosopher and when i read that i just.
00:35:35
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heard her saying that, like there's nothing between you and the ask or asking for help or asking for support or busking or going out and putting yourself out there and say, or go to, you know, go to people you don't know and say, Hey, do you want to come on this podcast and philosophy show? And it was really a man reading that about Amanda Palmer and her experiences of being like, Hey, if you're an artist, like
00:36:02
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be an artist like get in there not asking for permission and when you need to ask somebody for something like how did you create that song contact them they might respond so ask ask and that's that was really that's um that's all the energy back behind me that sentiment uh in doing this so i guess i'd say
00:36:27
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had I didn't have that much trouble about like putting it out there or doing it just kind of like I did it but with that momentum behind me and that thinking behind me. That's a fantastic momentum. And I definitely have not always had that I've been, you know,
00:36:45
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I think with all the spiritual work that I've done, I really don't seek as much validation as I would have in my 20s, early 20s. But I have this, and I think a lot of people who are neurodivergent have this as well. And now I can't think of the term for it. But just this terrible,
00:37:13
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self-doubt about about my my my my artistry and like I mean really just about like everything about myself imposter syndrome that's what I was gonna say yeah I have a terrible terrible case of imposter syndrome and like and I've always had this for as long as I can remember
00:37:36
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And it doesn't matter how skilled I get at something. I still think that I am terrible at it. And so when you put yourself out there as an artist and it is crickets or people just don't seem to care or whatever, then that little voice in your head goes, well, maybe you are terrible at it.
00:38:06
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But I've had to really train my brain to not do that because it's really irrational. And my brain even goes as far as to when I'll get compliments on my music. Well, they're just being nice. So I don't experience it as success. I just experience it as, oh, this person's just like,
00:38:34
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you know throwing me a bone or whatever so like I yeah I have this experience myself of like just this massive self-doubt so I've had to I have to keep like training myself out of that and just and just yeah just saying to myself that yeah this is you and this is
00:38:53
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this is worthy of expression and you know and the right people will connect to it like especially like with music music is so personal and so subjective and and there's so much music out now like holy smokes like just like you know
00:39:17
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finding someone happening across my music is like a needle in a haystack these days. But yeah, you have to kind of believe as an artist that the people who need to hear it will hear it. And that's it. And even if it only impacts one person, that's awesome.
00:39:45
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The song is called Fizzle Out. And I've had a lot of experience in my life of having more so in friendships. Not so much with romance, but more in friendships. And just having things just kind of dissolve over time. And I've not had very many moments where I've had an explosive end to a friendship.
00:40:09
Speaker
Um, and I really knew what happened. It's all, it's, it's been kind of like a slow burn where things just kind of like dissipate and I'm left feeling kind of like, well, what happened? Like, did I do something? Like, is it life? Is it, you know, like, do we just move in different directions? Is it something I said is something I did?
00:40:29
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And so in that same vein, I actually really appreciate it when people say to me, hey, this thing that you said or this thing that you did, it really rubbed me the wrong way or really
00:40:46
Speaker
really, you know, triggered me this way. I actually really appreciate that stuff. And so for me as a neuro divergent person to be able to, you know, have really good functional relationships, like I actually need people sometimes to say to me, you know, Hey, could you maybe not do this? Or could you, you know,
00:41:09
Speaker
You know this thing that you said it bothered me because then I can then I can then I can learn because I don't want to be somebody who just uses my Neuro divergence as an excuse to just you know behave in a way that's affecting people negatively and and and I I do want I do want to be you know if I've really done something that's hurt somebody or
00:41:39
Speaker
or done something that seems like a real faux pas in a social situation, I would really appreciate being told because I don't see it. I don't often see it. And that's definitely a thing that people with autism experience. And so, yeah, I want people to be aware. I want people to be understanding
00:42:02
Speaker
but I also want people to tell me when like there's been a line crossed, you know, so yeah. And, and I do like with my neurodivergence too, like I really credit, I really credit my brain for like the way I'm able to be an artist. Like I think, and like the more that I look at a lot of artists and like,
00:42:27
Speaker
You know, I'm like, God, there's so much neurodivergence there. Like there's, and I think that it's just, yeah, like so many artists are probably, you know, experiencing differences in the way they experience the world. And, and, uh, and that's why we're creating art. Cause it's just, yeah, like it's, it's an expression of our experience.
00:42:57
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So when you are like a very highly sensitive person, yeah, it's definitely, I feel like it's really expressive art comes more easily when you have that inner landscape of being just like really, really sensitive and really
00:43:18
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open to all the sensory experiences going on around you. And you have like, you know, this constant, this constant inner, inner dialogue, inner landscape that's just like, that never stops. It's like the Energizer bunny.
00:43:35
Speaker
Like I'll talk to people every once in a while and I've had people disclose to me that they have like no inner dialogue. And I'm just like, what is that like? Like, what is it like? And the Gulf is unfathomable, right? The Gulf is unfathomable to being like that. If I took that away, there might be nothing back behind it sometimes. So like, how do you deal with the nothing? Yes.
00:44:04
Speaker
So yeah, I really I'm thankful for even though like I struggle with some things as a result of being on the spectrum. I definitely also really, really do some things well in terms of especially my art. Well, in your comments about art, I was thinking a lot about the
00:44:25
Speaker
the form that things move in, whether it's by your hand, whether it's the song. I was even thinking of the sounds that you were talking about and patterns being shaped. If we're talking about a sound in music and a really powerful thought of art as taking form.
Art as Universal Healer
00:44:47
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On art, what is the role of art?
00:44:52
Speaker
Then what do you think the role of art is? And the question I ask, cause I usually ask another one related to it is, has that changed at all? Um, the world feels different for a lot of people. It was climate or post pandemic or things feeling different for folks. Has the role of art changed as well? Yeah. You know, I.
00:45:16
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I think the role of art really comes back to that whole healing piece. And I feel that it's a universal healer. And it's sort of, yeah, it's allowing your spirit a true expression while you're here on this plane and in this physical form. Yeah, it's making, it's sort of,
00:45:44
Speaker
Like a playful expression of your, of your spirit's journey, you know, and, and, and just sort of, you can work through some karmic things with it.
00:45:55
Speaker
I really deeply feel that it's spiritual, like art is spiritual and it's pretty hard to disentangle spirituality from art because like, yeah, I feel that it is like your essence coming through in some form that other essences can sort of relate to. I feel like that feeling when you listen to like a really good song and you kind of
00:46:24
Speaker
get tingly and like, you know, ooh, and like chills almost, you know, goosebumps. I was listening to an interview with Trent Reznor and he was talking about how that's what he wants people to experience from his music. He doesn't want to like, you know,
00:46:40
Speaker
His goal was never a chart topper or to make a bunch of money or whatever. He just wanted to evoke that goosebumps feeling in people. And I think that is your spirit tapping in in some way to that other person's spirit. And so I feel that's the function of art is just a spiritual expression of your innermost self. However, people want to define that. Yeah.
00:47:13
Speaker
No, it's just wonderful. You mentioned goosebumps. I've had goosebumps conversations recently because it's just fun to talk about with music, with experience because for me,
00:47:28
Speaker
For me, that experience is raw in the media. You can't control it. You can't sit there and say, oh, I fucking love the bass in this track, which would be fine. It's not an analysis. It's not thought. It's experience. And I had, I mentioned this a couple of times, I had Sharon Nova, formerly Sharon Warden, amazing singer. And I had first encountered Sharon.
00:47:59
Speaker
when she was touring with the Decemberists, the Hazards of Love, and the voice that she lends to is just, ah, goosebumps. And, you know, during that tour, there's kind of famous covers that they did during that of Crazy on You by Heart. And when that, I saw it twice, when that came off and, like, I'm just water, just,
00:48:29
Speaker
goosebumps and everything. And I was lucky to have her on the show and I asked her, you know, the question is like, how do you do that? She also, I had mentioned this recently, seen her live. I had never seen this before in any performance and it was quiet because the symphony was there as well. But she hit this note and I heard two people just whelp out loud at the same time, unmitigated, uncensored,
00:48:59
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And that's where the philosophy is. It's like, yeah.
00:49:05
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like that that just happened and i felt it too but i didn't that i was like so maybe other people experienced it but they didn't yelp inappropriately and uh response to it but the the goosebumps the goosebumps uh uh line of um and and here in resner i mean i think of that and you think and not in subtlety you think in the tense raw energy of like
00:49:34
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I think there when folks experience it, it's their experience in a different, you know, it could be the high note or it could be the full aggression that you feel in your heart that's manifest with
00:49:46
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Yeah, nine inch nails. I love that area. It's such a fun area to kick it out. It's it's it's definitely like it seems to be, you know, every once in a while I'll encounter people who like just aren't into music and and I'm always just like what if
00:50:07
Speaker
Wow, what a unique... I can't put myself there. I'm unable to take that perspective of just not being able to experience music that way because that's just part of who I am.
00:50:27
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But apart from people who just really don't have an interest in music, that's been almost a universal thing that I talk to people about. People will call it a different thing. My husband calls it the tingles. He gets the tingles in the top of his head. Yeah. But it seems to be a really universal thing with music. And for me,
00:50:55
Speaker
It's usually like, I usually get it with a progression, like a certain chord progression, a certain progression of notes will do it for me. Sometimes one chord, like a really cool chord, will do it for me. Like, ooh, that's a really nice chord. But usually it's the way something is weaved together as a whole. And it's just super exciting for my soul or whatever.
00:51:22
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Yeah, well, well, I identify like the feeling was interesting. You mentioned as like, for me, my experience most of her and the examples I think of for me is the female voice. So it's tied to for me, it's tied to the female voice. Although I would say that my experience sometimes is different if I'm thinking of like, kind of darker stuff, darker ballads, goth 80s 90s. A lot of times I can experience the same feeling
00:51:50
Speaker
I think not to have it be so gendered, but like from males, it has to do with like almost the expression of some like frustrated sentiment or something or something that like something like hits that way or
00:52:03
Speaker
I think of the pesh mode in like transgression, like the ideas of like transgression and like sparkling or like these kind of big ideas. So, you know, who, how are you sensitive to it? But I know for sure, I know for sure on the times that I'm like deeply remembering is like female voice hitting that note. But if you as a creator might be like, Oh, listen to this right here. Oh my gosh. You know, like something very discreet, you know,
00:52:32
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Yeah. Yeah. And it's so personal. It's so it's so personal. Like and and a friend of mine. Like this is honestly like one of my favorite moments in putting my music out there is when a friend of mine said that he had this experience with one of my songs and that he'll listen to it over and over again as like an empowering song. And
00:52:58
Speaker
And that was so cool for me. I was like, yeah, this is what I want as if I had an ultimate goal for myself beyond just my own nurturing of my own spirit and my art.
Connecting with Listeners
00:53:15
Speaker
that would be the goal is to connect to people on that level where they're just really having a core experience of your music. That is cool. That is cool. I like that more than the idea of getting a song on the radio or whatever. I prefer the experience of someone just having that core experience with my music because those are my best experiences with music, listening to it.
00:53:45
Speaker
and creating it, like being in a jam and everything's just like gelling really well and everything's come together. And like, I have that experience in a jam as well, like every once in a, every once in a while. And that's it for me. Like that's the high points. That's the high point in music for me. Yeah. Thank you. I want to mention one more thing. Got to have an up upcoming episode. Um,
00:54:13
Speaker
with Action Play, which is a autistic artist in company. And one of the individuals involved with that is Jackson Tucker Meyer. I'll have on a show in the near future. But he did a fantastic mockumentary called Satan Pured My Autism and plays all the different characters. And what's really cool is he
00:54:42
Speaker
plays the Midwestern, his Midwestern mom, and it's really just such a unique, brilliant piece. It got some attention, Satan Cured My Autism, but I'm going to be having some of the folks involved with this became known with Autism the Musical, which I think you can find on Disney, and then there was a follow-up. Really fascinating, just
00:55:08
Speaker
great feeling of, you know, of a teacher says like, nobody thinks we can do this play, you know, has a parent meeting and be like, it's gonna be sloppy, we don't know what we're doing and, and just building it as a really profound and great. I also had the
00:55:29
Speaker
Impressionist painter, Charlie French, Down syndrome and beautiful art, beautiful artists. And I think one of the things on the show is as I go along, because the show has been worldwide and tries to be an open collective, I tend to notice areas of lack like that are just in my head with the show of being like, well, wait a second. We're talking about art. How do we get this here?
00:55:59
Speaker
You know, I haven't had artists from the continent of Africa yet like and I try, you know what I mean? So like just just bringing in more voice to a collective and I believe talking or understanding neurodivergence in connection to this. I just want to thank you for for honestly just.
00:56:21
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in your artist bio to encounter that and to be able to engage on this. I think it's a great joy. Yeah, for sure. So I'm not going to speculate or know for sure your answer. Why is there something rather than nothing?
00:56:41
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I believe you could have some intellectual influences in thinking about something and thinking about nothing in relation to this question. So I wanted to ask you, why is there something rather than nothing?
00:56:54
Speaker
That's such an interesting question. And it's really funny because I can't remember how old I was as a child. But I wrote this little essay that was called Nothing. And it was like really philosophical for a child.
00:57:16
Speaker
I don't know where it is now. I don't know if my mom has it or what, but it was like, even like, I feel at a young age, I was really thinking about like Buddhist concepts like that. And like, and so I, I think that, um, you know, as a person in the, in who's taken a form,
00:57:43
Speaker
It's pretty hard to contemplate the formless.
00:57:51
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You know, from a Buddhist standpoint, I can kind of, like any conceptualization I have about something formless is inherently wrong. And like, only would ever, you know, serve the function of leading me to experience what the formless is like.
00:58:14
Speaker
So I don't think I could, I don't think I could ever describe what nothing is as a being just taking a form. I think that I would have to release this form in order to experience that. And even then it's not nothingness. It's like, I don't know it is, but it isn't. It's like, it's formlessness. It's not nothingness, you know? Yeah. So I don't know. Like, like nothingness to me.
00:58:44
Speaker
I was almost like an impossibility. Yeah. It feels like an impossibility because even with formlessness, there's still something there. I dig it. I dig it. Hey, Jane, Sacred Cranium, tell us about electronic music.
Journey into Electronic Music
00:59:05
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Before I mention that, electronic music, I think I got into
00:59:11
Speaker
Different names and such like that, but I think I got into say electronic music a lot towards industrial industrial electronic kind of like area and Towards that big influential band for me very trashy band my life with the thrill kill cult Yeah, I haven't really listened to much of theirs I
00:59:37
Speaker
Yeah, the reason I mentioned is they're playing in Portland tonight and I was so excited because I'm gonna try to get to it, but I tried to remember the last time I saw my wife with a thrill kill call and I came up with the date. It was 1994.
00:59:55
Speaker
Wow. So, um, but anyways, on, uh, on the, on, on the electronic, uh, bit, uh, I, I really dropped into it got more into kind of like related to industrial electronic sound early ministry. Um, thinking about, um, the Pesh mode and keyboards and all that. And I know that's kind of like some of the basis in the background, but tell us about sacred cranium. Yeah. So sacred cranium, I mean, uh,
01:00:25
Speaker
developed through my explorations with actually GarageBand and just messing around on there and discovering that they had such a rich library of really realistic, cool-sounding synths that I didn't have to go out and spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a synth to play around with. So I started just recording some things
01:00:55
Speaker
with GarageBand and eventually moved into Logic Pro. They have a more massive library of different synths on there and different modulators and stuff. And yeah, I've had
01:01:14
Speaker
I've had a really big interest in electronic music for for quite some time. You know, I feel like I definitely started off my interests in music as like one of those people who is like, you know,
01:01:30
Speaker
Well, electronic music, it's not real music. You hear these musical snobs say stuff like this. And I definitely had that experience early on. And one of my favorite bands growing up was Radiohead and Still Is. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
01:01:48
Speaker
And they, I remember when they released, um, was it kid a first or amnesiac? I think it was kid a kid. Yeah. And like, I remember when they released kid, kid a, I felt like deeply betrayed. And I was like, what is this? Like you've like, you know, polluted your like awesome.
01:02:10
Speaker
alt rock sounds like electronic thing and I was like super angry and and and like and then like the years went on and I like I just I discovered I mean not much time actually passed in this in this window of my human experience but like I discovered nine inch nails
01:02:34
Speaker
And I really, whatever reason, that really resonated with me at the time. And I started exploring more, as I grew up, my parents played, you know,
01:02:51
Speaker
Depeche Mode, New Order, a lot of stuff like that. So it wasn't like that I hadn't experienced electronic music. And I did like New Order growing up quite a lot. I really like New Order. Also, like Big Audio Dynamite was one that my dad played a lot. And I really enjoyed them as a kid.
01:03:13
Speaker
But yeah, it was like I had this really experience with being like, oh, I don't like this. But then I started getting into dino's nails and some other things. And then I started re-listening to some of the stuff from the 80s that I had listened to more in my childhood and getting more back into that. And then just like did eventually did a whole deep dive and got really into house music and like everything. Now I love electronic music like so much. And I actually find that some of the
01:03:45
Speaker
I don't know, some of the freshest ideas often now are coming out in that genre. Like where I'll hear something, I'll be like, that's new. Like that is like, I dig that. I haven't heard that before. Like one group that I listened to that really hit me like that is Plaid.
01:04:05
Speaker
Um, if you've ever heard of them, they're a duo from the UK and their music is so, so fascinating from like a cerebral point of view. They have all these cool polyrhythmic things going through there that meld into like a really cohesive whole by like a midpoint in the song. And it's so, it's so cool. Like it's such a cool experience and it's like always
01:04:32
Speaker
Like I'll listen to their songs and like there'll be a melodic progression and it'll go somewhere that I didn't expect, but I love it. Like, you know, somewhere where it goes where you don't expect and then you're like, you, you know, for a second. But but but with plaid, it's always like, oh, I didn't expect that, but I like it, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:51
Speaker
Um, so like I find there's so much fresh stuff happening in electronica and I, I just love it. I love the whole genre, like, and all the sub genres. There's, I mean, there's obviously some things that I don't enjoy like any genre, but, um, but yeah, so I, you know, coming from that sort of background, um, was really having a lot of fun playing with those sounds that I kind of felt were
01:05:20
Speaker
probably for a lot of years more beyond my reach because the equipment required was so extensive. And now that we have all these modulated things that you can access right on your computer with a MIDI controller, it's pretty cool to be able to create those kinds of sounds that I really get into. And it really allows just a creative stretch. And when you put on a certain
01:05:51
Speaker
certain synth tone or some sort of arpeggiating rhythm or something like it, it really opens up a new door that, you know, that is created by that sound alone that allows for a different movement and creativity than what I would experience writing music just with my guitar and bass and drums and whatnot. So it's kind of like a fun experiment and, um,
01:06:18
Speaker
I'll go through like phases with it. Like sometimes I'll be really into the alt rock project. Like right now I've got, I've got a full band for the first time really ever. I have this cohesive full band that we're performing, which is so hard to do. Like I've years, I really like built myself into this solo.
01:06:43
Speaker
looping artist Because or just doing acoustic sets because it's so hard to get a band to commit to to performing together so I've really pouring a lot of myself into into the alt rock stuff now because Because of that I have that going on and we're performing and and I'm working on an album for that project but the yeah, the electronic stuff is really a
01:07:11
Speaker
It's a playful, playful side project. And it's cheekier. It can be, yeah, there's more profanity in it, maybe, than my other stuff. And it's just kind of a fun experiment that kind of turned into some good songs. I initially didn't even expect to really release anything under it. And then I was like, oh, maybe I can actually put this out there.
01:07:39
Speaker
And uh, yeah, I like it. I like it. I I will go back to it Definitely at some point Right now it's kind of it's kind of on hiatus because of the The alt rock stuff taking more of the forefront Yeah, it'll re-emerge. I'm sure well tell us uh Tell us jane. We're we're um, I saw uh Some you work on on band camp. Where where the heck folks go? Uh find your music and
01:08:10
Speaker
downloaded and listen and stream. So you can find it. I'm, I'm almost everywhere except YouTube. Like a lot of my more recent stuff I haven't put on YouTube. I was having some weird stuff happen with YouTube in terms of copyright concerns and stuff. So I stopped cause it's really easy to rip stuff off of, of YouTube. It's becoming easier to rip things off of like Spotify and stuff as well. But, um,
01:08:36
Speaker
But at the time, it was like, oh, like it's so easy to rip stuff off of YouTube. And I was having some red flags in that department. And so I stopped releasing my stuff on there. I will put like, if I have an official music video, I'll put it on YouTube. Yeah. But I don't do it through my distributor anymore. So like if people go on YouTube, they'll only find my two older albums and then some of like the singles from my newer albums. They won't find the full.
01:09:05
Speaker
full meal deal there. All the newest stuff will be everywhere else. So Spotify, Apple Music, Bandcamp is a great accessible platform because you don't have to, I don't think you even have to make an account to listen on there. You can, it'll give you a couple. Yeah, I think that's so, yeah.
01:09:25
Speaker
Yeah, it'll give you a couple of free listens just through your web browser.
Where to Find Jane's Music
01:09:30
Speaker
And then eventually it asks you to buy my stuff if you want to keep listening to it on there. But yeah, I think Bandcamp's a good way. And I mean, I have a website that has all the links to everything on it, which is janecarmalamo.com, J-A-Y-N-E.
01:09:50
Speaker
karma L A M O dot com with all the links there too. Yeah. Cool. Hey, uh, so, um, I'm recording. We're chatting. I'm down in mid Valley, uh, Oregon, uh, Europe, uh, further north here. Want to tell us just a little bit about the area you make your art.
01:10:12
Speaker
Yeah, so I was for quite a while in the lower mainland BC, around the Vancouver area, university days through my kids' younger days. And we, during COVID,
01:10:34
Speaker
decided that the city, we were just done with the city. And so we've moved to the Kootenays and BC. We're close to Nelson, BC, which is a real cool artistic hub. If you're ever in BC, Nelson is super
01:10:51
Speaker
art loaded like there's just so much going on there and in fact i'm i'm in salmo and salmo is just a half hour from nelson in fact salmo is this crazy mecca of artists as well like i think there's only like
01:11:07
Speaker
The population is maybe like 1,200 people in Salmo. And there is a ridiculously high amount of musicians here. And we have, every Friday, there's a wonderful local brewery in town called Erie Creek Brewing Company that has an amazing drop in open mic jam session where people just come out of the woodwork constantly who are just amazing musicians.
01:11:36
Speaker
amazing bass players like a couple weeks ago, dude with a sweet fretless bass was just, you know, riffing out like, you know, could have been
01:11:47
Speaker
on a professional stage somewhere. And the musician who runs the open jam, his name is Marty Carter, is just the loveliest man you could ever meet. So lovely and so multi-talented, plays everything. So we have these epic jams going on every Friday night.
01:12:09
Speaker
It's the most amazing little community. And I say, I would not have had, I don't think, the experiences I've had with being a performer, had I not moved out here.
01:12:23
Speaker
Vancouver is very cutthroat and very, I don't know, unfriendly in a lot of ways. And I was going to start performing there, but then all the COVID thing happened. But I'm really glad that I didn't start performing there. And then I started performing here instead because it was like received so well. Everyone is so kind here and, you know,
01:12:52
Speaker
so supportive. There's another group of musicians called the Selkirk Mountain Music Society that I often play with that have been really supportive of my live performances here. And it's just a real beautiful, beautiful artistic community here, like a really well-kept secret, I think, of BC.
01:13:19
Speaker
Cause yeah, there's, there's so much art and culture going on in this little, little country town. I love it. It's great to hear. Well, something rather than nothing has started its friendly invasion, possibly, uh, into Salma. We, uh, we, we just started our, um,
01:13:37
Speaker
Street team we got stickers made up with the design by Nick Friesen over in over Winnipeg Manitoba and so those stickers are going up and around in Oregon, but we have listeners guests kind of trying to get those around in Albuquerque, New Mexico Madison, Wisconsin and
01:13:58
Speaker
win a peg uh... with nick put some stuff up there so uh... maybe we can get some uh... the edge of the street team to get some of those uh... something rather than nothing stickers over there in this uh...
01:14:09
Speaker
this this enclave. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'd be I'd be happy to do that. Absolutely. You're signed up. I'm an organizer by trade once I heard that you're signed up. Okay, we're good. Um, so, um, it's it's it's been a great pleasure to talk to you, Jane. I know, um,
01:14:29
Speaker
Like I said, in talking about your art and the different manifestations of it and just great conversation around spirituality and thinking about Buddhism. Profound thoughts about sound, just sound. I don't know that blood thing there about the gong bath. I think deeply about those immersions. I've done an episode on, you know,
01:14:57
Speaker
the practice of forest bathing, Japanese forest bathing of, again, immersion, right? Immersion within the green, within the cadence of the forest. And I just think of sound, I think of feeling in the air and all that type of stuff. And it's, I don't know, it's really kind of a powerful and inspiring thought of healing or the potential for it, right?
01:15:29
Speaker
Things are messed up, it feels like sometimes. And it's nice to have a good song. Absolutely. Forest bathing is pretty profoundly healing. My friend and fellow bandmate, Steve Gosselin, he goes by Steve Marcus, his artist name. He plays bass for me and I play bass for him with each of our respective individual works. He is a brain injury survivor.
01:15:59
Speaker
And he swears by forest bathing. Almost every day, he gets out into the forest with his dog. And it really helps his health and well-being tremendously. Yeah, it's pretty powerful. And nature has its own acoustic soundscape to offer.
01:16:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, everybody, um, you know, even on that point, uh, uh, Jane's recent, uh, recent LP, uh, medicine, which I think a lot of times we're talking about medicine in, in, in, in healing here. Um, uh, Jane, uh, wanted to thank you so much, uh, for coming on to the, onto the podcast and, um,
01:16:51
Speaker
You know, the threads here that I can see of with Melissa Oliveri and Canel music and just a way and a thread to reach you and to find out about Salmo, about your art. And I don't miss, you know, I don't miss the threads and it's a happy moment to be able to chat with you and kick around this art stuff. I wanted to thank you for coming onto the show.
01:17:18
Speaker
Oh, it's been an absolute absolute pleasure chatting with you today. I really appreciate you having me on. And I'm super glad that that we're going to know each other. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, and no, no, no, no, no, go rush into Salmo. I mean, it's a it's a it's a hidden enclave. Right. Let's let's appreciate it. Let's appreciate the balance. But yes, it's actually really terrible here. Nobody.
01:17:43
Speaker
Well, but wait a second. There's competing factions. There could be the Chamber of Commerce or the Tourism Board over there being like, yeah, this is the artist enclave that you don't know about. But great to reach you and really look forward to all the music you create. And like I said, even at nighttime, folks check out the soundscapes. I can tell you that I know
01:18:12
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that they're healing elements there for you. So pop on to Bandcamp, look up Jane Carmen Olamo and just like get going or get going with some of the other tracks. Thanks again, Jane, and rock on. Thank you, Ken.
01:19:04
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To the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground, to the ground,
01:19:37
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Oh, it gets too much I can't help but laugh I can't help but laugh Oh, it gets too much I can't help but laugh
01:20:15
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My stomach's turning as I watch the world burning They've gone insane and it is so plain But we are no one but ourselves to blame
01:20:53
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Get me off this misguided bus Oh, it will be it never does Get me off this misguided bus Oh, it will be it never does Oh, when it gets too much I can't help but laugh I can't help but laugh Oh, when it gets too much I can't help but laugh
01:21:21
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When it gets too much I can't help but love, can't help but love Oh when it gets too much
01:22:31
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This is something rather than nothing.