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Bring Your Own....Book Trope | S1Ep2
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This week we’ve each brought our favorite trope! From Fake Dating to Single Parent- find out what makes these tropes stand out to us and the books that deliver on them! Have a favorite trope we forgot to mention? Tell us on Instagram and give us a follow to stay up to date with the pod and more! @BringYourOwnPod
Potential minor spoilers for: It Happened One Summer, Juniper Hill, The Soulmate Equation, Fallen Men, Happy Place, Terms & Conditions, Yours Truly, In a Jam, Wall of Winnipeg & Me, The Cruel Prince, The Simple Wild, Magnolia Parks, The Addicted/Calloway Sisters series, The Like Us series.
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Theme
00:00:09
Speaker
Hello, welcome to Bring Your Own Catch All Bookish Most of the Time podcast. I'm Brandi. I'm Kendra. I'm Kayla. Brandi, I like how you say bookish most of the time. I feel like eventually we're just gonna like be off on tangents. Yeah. Today is Bring Your Own Trope. So we have all brought our favorite bookish trope to discuss.
Current Reads and Friendship Dynamics
00:00:34
Speaker
But before we do that, what's everybody's current read? What are you reading?
00:00:40
Speaker
Okay, I've been binging the fallen in series by John Darling, I'm doing all the audio. Yeah, it's been honestly, it's been quite a time. It's ruined some friendships in my life. It's brought me closer to some people.
00:00:57
Speaker
um but let's see there are six books out right now with two novellas i finished book five last night and i'm starting book six today um and when book seven will come out i don't know but i am loving this series it's taught me a lot about myself it's an acquired taste for sure and i've acquired it so yeah i'm having a great time
00:01:22
Speaker
I binged this in like October, November of last year. And I really, really wanted my friends to read it, but I was so scared to recommend it. Because like Kendra said it's like very much an acquired taste, very taboo. So I was scared to recommend it. But Kendra took the plunge. And then I take a little bit of offense to the fact that Kendra said it ruined friendships. I'm still here, aren't I? I'm still here.
00:01:52
Speaker
You're so sweet. But are Selena and I, you know, if Selena is listening, plug your ears. Yeah, Selena is listening. Plug your ears. Don't. Selena and I are good because I didn't tell her my thoughts on the first book. I more so meant like, for we said this last time. Kayla and I used to have a perfect circle. And this year, we've taken some hits to that circle. But it's true. We have to accept it. No, we don't.
00:02:17
Speaker
So Kaylin, why don't you tell us what you've been reading and why our friendship is like hanging on by a thread. I'm currently on book four of the fallen men series after the fall. I, confession, and if you love this series, like, you know, maybe plug your ears, but I did skip book one. I just didn't hear the best things about it. So I decided to skip.
00:02:44
Speaker
Um, and so I read book two and let me not, let me not talk too much about that one. I think they will actually start crying. So I, let me skip. Okay. Wait, wait, wait.
00:03:03
Speaker
Here's the thing, the reason why I'm upset is because I wanted Kayla to read this and I knew that there was a really high chance that she would hate it. Like I knew that going in. But instead of telling me, hey Kendra, I'm gonna start this series, she goes behind my back and starts it. Doesn't even tell me that she's read it until she's done. And I'm like, see, that makes it even worse. I'm like, oh. Like I told. The thing is like, you can, but here's the thing.
00:03:31
Speaker
You and I have told each other what we've been reading like every single book since we became friends so that's over a year of You know how many books we've each read in a year that's over a year of us being like okay I'm reading this I'm reading this I'm reading that and then you didn't tell me knowing that I'm like obsessed with the series and you told me afterwards and I had in my head I was over already like oh like I can't wait to just like see her reactions to certain things even if it's all bad and you robbed me of that experience and
00:03:56
Speaker
Because that's why I was hurt. Based on what has happened now with me, you know, kind of, to put it politely, crapping on that book, I, you wouldn't even you say I would have liked your reactions, even if they were bad. I was fighting for my life. I don't know that you would have liked them. I was fighting for my life. You'll never know.
00:04:18
Speaker
We'll never know now, will we? Because we can't go back in time and change it, so. Kayla would be like, so what about this extremely dubious thing that happened? And I'd be like, you know what? I have no arguments. Yeah, maybe Zuzu should be in jail. But what are we going to do?
Audiobook Habits and Narrator Stories
00:04:34
Speaker
Yeah, I did really like book three. HR and dinner supremacy. And now I'm on book four and mostly listening. I'm not really
00:04:48
Speaker
eyeball reading anything else. Amazing. I like always have one audio book and one physical book going at all times. My commute, my LA commute is insane. So I always have to have an audio book. I'm currently listening to In a Jam. I'm loving it so much. We're having a great time. Jason Clark is the narrator for Noah and he's just amazing. He's my favorite male narrator ever.
00:05:13
Speaker
um whoa whoa brandy back up whoa yeah i said that and then i was like oh zachary lember um controversy i'm sorry you guys i think jason clark is my favorite ill narrator did you see jason clark drink out of a starbucks cup no oh my god you guys when we were at love in vegas kendra and i were standing in line like just like chat with audiobook narrators or whatever i was having them sign some of my bookstores whenever we look up and zachary lember has
00:05:42
Speaker
full neck exposed, had completely tilted back, drinking out of a Starbucks cup, like the dregs in it, and we just like looked at each other and we were like... It was the most erotic experience of the weekend. Oh god. It was amazing. Yeah. And then we... Jason Clark is going to be a book bonanza, isn't he? I don't want to... This is so mean. I like really need to stop looking. I don't want to see them. Because in my head he looked... The first time I ever heard Jason Clark was when he was Griffin Eden in Indigo Ridge. He looks like Griffin in my head, and I know he doesn't.
00:06:11
Speaker
I know he doesn't look like Griffin Eden, but I, I, whatever. What if he's hotter than Griffin? Will you be staying away? No, I'm gonna go. She's gonna be his biggest fan. I'm gonna cry. Can you sign my book journal? Please. I'm such a huge fan. Oh my god, I like shit my pants when I met Julia Weyland for the first time. I had like zero chills. Like, you're a huge reason I got back into reading. Anyways, so I'm listening to In a Jam and it's so good.
00:06:38
Speaker
Ashley told me to read that forever ago, YouTube read it recently and told me like, bump it up. So I'm very excited to be listening to that. And I am currently reading actually last night, really truly started Predator, The Predator by RuNyx. I don't know if you like Dark First. I want to read that. She was an Olicity fanfic writer. Oh my god. Olicity is Arrow, the TV show. Right. Yeah.
00:07:01
Speaker
Um, I'm like, I'm having a good time. It's the, the writing is a little clunky. Like she just uses a lot of like the same words a lot in like paragraph. You know what I mean? Like intensity was used like three times in the same sense or paragraph or anyways, that's stuff I can mostly overlook. Um, I also heard that this series gets like exponentially better as it goes on. So I'm kind of just like pushing my way through this one right now. And then hopefully, uh,
00:07:29
Speaker
will love the other ones. But I'm, I'm excited. I needed something. I'm also still like I put Legendborn on pause for a minute just because I have been fighting for my life in this reading slump. And I just like really didn't want my reading slump attitude to affect my reading of Legendborn because it is so good. I just I didn't want to like drag myself through it just because it was me not because of the book if that makes sense.
00:07:55
Speaker
So I think I'm gonna go back to that one after I finish the predator because I'm feeling better.
Exploring the Grumpy Sunshine Trope
00:08:00
Speaker
Yay! So I guess we can jump into talking about our tropes. I'll go first because the reason I think I should go first is because I truly think that Brandi and Kendra have selected the superior tropes.
00:08:16
Speaker
And no, no, no, it's okay, it's okay. You guys ask me like, what's your favorite trope? And every time I'm like, I don't know, I don't know. And then when you guys pick those tropes, I'm like, shit, those are way better. So mine today is, and this is probably like, if I'm being honest, it's probably like my third or fourth favorite trope, but mine today is Grumpy Sunshine. And so I'm gonna go, I made like a massive list of
00:08:44
Speaker
all my favorite ones that have grumpy sunshine. And I want to be clear, when I say grumpy sunshine, it has to be true a grumpy person and an actual sunshine person. There are lots of books that I feel like people put in this category that don't fall into grumpy sunshine at all. And okay, I'm gonna tell you the worst offenders, okay? So I think the worst offender, probably the top three worst offenders are The Simple Wild,
00:09:11
Speaker
Terms and conditions and beetroot. I do not think these three are grumpy sunshine. Kendra, you're like shaking your head. Do you agree or no? I know. I agree so much. It makes me like viscerally angry when people are like beetroot is grumpy sunshine. Because like what is... I think Lomi was like... January is ex-sunshine. Like she's literally like going through this big reckoning in her life. Like she's not a positive person.
00:09:40
Speaker
and like saying the other two books you just mentioned like Calla is a bitch in this world like she's not optimistic at all she's our bitch yeah love her yeah yeah and people also um not this one isn't as bad of an offender but people also sometimes group in from lukov with love and i'm like that's actually just grumpy grumpy yeah i don't think that's what i'm not saying at all grumpy grumpy
00:10:02
Speaker
Yeah, and also I also want to say that my list also does include a couple reverse grumpy sunshine, although I don't really get why we have to call it reverse. It's like why they're just grumpy sunshine, you know what I mean? Like one of them is grumpy, one of them is sunshine. Yeah, one of them is grumpy, we don't have to have the
00:10:20
Speaker
one has the first one has to be the male the second one has to be the female like it doesn't make sense to me all right um okay so the first and i think one of like the most obvious ones is the fine print by lauren asher we love again terms and conditions no fine print yes another one by lauren asher i think is redeemed
00:10:40
Speaker
Now, like, I think as the story goes on, Santi becomes less and less grumpy, but I definitely think like in the beginning that man, you know, he's like a hermit, like, he doesn't want to talk to anybody, you know what I mean? Like, and so he does a lot of growth in that book. But I guess the same thing with Rowan though, right? Like Zara, I think that's part of the Sunshine persona is it helps kind of the grumpy
00:11:01
Speaker
become less girly. They've always had some sunshine in them. They just had to find it. Oh, that's so cute. I know. I've said it before. I'm ready to talk about it. So definitely those two. I think also a really popular one and one that
00:11:27
Speaker
I read last, I think it was two yeah it was not last summer but the summer before when it came out. And I think it was really my first like really truly smutty rom com, it happened one summer by Tessa Bailey.
00:11:43
Speaker
I mean, I don't really read, truthfully, I don't really read much Test of Bailey anymore. But it happened one summer, I think will always like have a special release. That book is so good. Like, it really, it really is. It's so good. I think some people don't like now, like when people look back on it, they're like, that book's not that good. Actually, I still really like it. I don't know. I think it's great. Yeah, no. Is it like the best rom-com ever? Like, of course not. Is it fun and smutty and a really quick read? Yes. And sometimes that's what you need.
00:12:14
Speaker
Yeah. And I think I remember when I, when I first read it, I, like I said, it was like one of my first truly smutty rom coms. I, the smut happens, I don't want to say fast, but it happens. Like sometimes you have to wait like 60 or 70% and it happens, I think at like 40. And I was like, I was pretty sure that I was pretty. Yeah, that's a really good. When he's like, I'm a friend right out of your mouth.
00:12:44
Speaker
Anyways, I don't remember the smile. I remember the I remember the dressing room and I remember like some of the stuff. Sure. That was the boat. No, it wasn't. No, that was in a hotel. Oh, yeah.
00:13:05
Speaker
That's all I remember. I read it like two years ago. What about when he was taking pictures of her on the boat? Yeah, he wanted to keep them in his cabin or whatever. That first one where he refused to fuck her because he's like, I'm not going to let you like turn this into like a fucking dump. So he just like went down on her left. Oh, I remember that. It was not like in the kitchen or something. Yeah. She kept calling them friends and got pissed off. And I remember the hospital.
00:13:33
Speaker
The hospital. I think we just named them all. Anyways, you're not doing that book anymore. Maybe just certain parts and then you can just move on. But one that I also think will show up again today, if I'm not mistaken, will be Heartless by Elsie Silver. No comment. Willa is one of my top
00:14:01
Speaker
like book girlfriends for sure, for sure. Redheads with like a curvy body. Willa, Bryce, they'll do it for me each time, my favorites. I'll not say much about Heartless because I think we're gonna talk about it later, so I'll just wait. This one is, I have two series, well,
00:14:29
Speaker
Um, these series connect together. And so I'll just mention them, Hot House Flower or Long Way Down with Rike and Daisy from the Addicted Callaway Sister series. Yeah. Interesting. What? Do you not think they're going to be sunshine? Keep going. I think like, yeah, I think like outwardly, in my opinion, Daisy is like very sunshine. I think once you're in her head, that's a part that I'm like, but like outwardly facing. Like, I think if people saw them on the street, like, yeah, because think about how she acts in public, right?
00:15:00
Speaker
Definitely. I think, well, I think that's, I think they fit the, like the tropes that they, people group them in with the most regretful sunshine and like age gap. So I think that, yeah. Yeah. Um, Admittedly, admittedly, Reik and Daisy are my least favorite Addicted Callaway Sisters series couple. But I feel like if I didn't mention them, people would be like, you forgot Reik and Daisy. And I'd be like, okay, well, anyway.
00:15:26
Speaker
But another one from, I think, the follow-up series is Jane and Thatcher, Tangled Like Us and Simple Like Us. They are by far the best couple from that series, Hot Take, probably. And there are two- Kayla, Mocking and Faro exist. I feel like people are going to think I'm serious when I say that. I hate Mocking and Faro. We don't talk much. But you know what's crazy? I feel like-
00:15:55
Speaker
mafia and pharaoh really brought us even closer as friends like oh probably our group because we all got in that group chat because we're like oh like let's buddy read the like us series and then we hated it yeah yeah minus jane and thatress books we didn't even finish it um because we were just like yeah this isn't good i had fun with um
00:16:23
Speaker
Oscar and Jack's book. Okay, I know Kendra didn't read it. I did. I also read it. And yeah, it was, it was fine. Yeah, yeah. It was like, we liked Misfits. And we liked, yeah, I liked Luna's books. Yeah. Everything else. But that series as a whole. I'm so tired. Yeah, zero out of 10. I think the main thing that everybody I don't think we're alone in this. I think pretty much everybody is waiting for this is just the
00:16:50
Speaker
the Charlie books because they've been teased forever. And they're never going to happen in our lifetime. The twins are on TikTok. Yeah, I like that. Everyone's comment section is like, please. When's Charlie? When's Charlie? When's Charlie? And they just, those evil times, God. Yeah. I'm so sorry, Kayla. Continue. Oh no, I'm good. I'm good. I'm fine to talk about how much they've done me so wrong. One that I read recently.
00:17:21
Speaker
that I really would love for everybody listening and everybody here to read. I'm pointing at these two that I will not shut up about is Georgie All Along by Kate Claiborne. Can you look at me? Stop. Don't look away. Don't look away.
00:17:42
Speaker
Um, George Yellow Long by Kate Claiborne. This one just came out, um, just last month, the end of last month, and I got it, um, in my Book of the Month subscription. So I was like, let me just try it. And I ended up absolutely devouring it. Loved it. So good. Levi is the same way where he's not like,
00:18:01
Speaker
He's grumpy. I think he's considered grumpy because he is like the town hermit, like nobody really knows anything about him. They don't really approach him. You just see he has a very hard exterior. But again, it's kind of the same situation. You know, once he gets that sunshine in his life, then, you know, he softens up a little bit. But it's a really great book. And everybody needs to read it right now, right now, after you finish your like whatever series that you're reading right now. Fine.
00:18:31
Speaker
then you can read, then you can read it. I'm not talking to anybody in particular when I say that though. Interesting, interesting. I'm, I think I'm gonna wait for the audiobook. The audiobook comes out mid-March and I think that's probably when I'll finish The Dark First, Legendborn, Bloodmarked, all the stuff that I'm like currently in the middle of anyways. Seems like so much. You're like, yeah, Dark First. Keep it together. Yeah, no, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. I, the, I know the male narrator is the same one that did, um, the Playing for Keep series.
00:19:02
Speaker
So if you liked him, but I know you didn't love him, so I don't know. I can deal with him, I can deal with him, he just talks really slow. Bump that up, just 2.0. Bump it up. Oh god. He talks so slow. Okay, well. Anyway. I don't know the female narrator though, so hopefully she's good. But anyway, that's my little nugget for today that everybody should read Geordi all along.
00:19:26
Speaker
um okay my last one is probably going to be In the Weeds by B.K. Morrison um that book is so so I love that series I like the one thing that I don't love and I've talked about this before is that B.K. Morrison just does I feel like for the Thorodact conflict it's like copy paste almost each time and so that kind of annoys me but I do love the characters that she creates and that she writes I think they are
00:19:54
Speaker
really well done and Beckett is he's the sweetest guy and Evie is I mean I think she's a little bit she's not like
00:20:05
Speaker
super I don't want to call her like 100% shine sign. I feel like she's like 90% or like 80% sunshine. She's not quite the same as some other like sunshines on this list. But again, I think it's her outward persona because she is like a social media influencer, right? So she like has to portray all the time a certain way. But I do love her as well. Why do you
00:20:31
Speaker
Why do you love Grumpy Sunshine? What about it appeals to you? Well, I think Grumpy Sunshine is also opposite to track. I feel like they're one and the same. And so I love just the opposite to track nature of whether it is a guy who's like, I hate everyone but you. I love that kind of thing. I feel like a lot of Grumpy Sunshine falls into that. The grumpy person hates everybody but their partner. I think that that's just so cute to me.
00:21:01
Speaker
Um, and yeah, I just like the opposing personalities of, I mean, I do like having like, you know, same, same, like, for example, mixed signals is probably like sunset, sunshine, sunshine, or like I said, Luke love with love is like grumpy, grumpy. I'd like that too. I like, or like, um, book lovers, I think it's grumpy. Um, and I love that too, but I think there's also just something about the opposite subtract nature that kind of balances sometimes. And I, I love that.
Brandi's Favorite Trope: Single Parent
00:21:29
Speaker
Yeah, agreed. I hate everybody but you is just so it's very good. Very good. Yeah. And that is groupie sunshine. So good. Yay. Um, if you know me.
00:21:43
Speaker
then I bet you could put $1,000 on which trope I have picked. I picked single parent, which actually around this time last year, about a year ago, I got approved for an Argonnet galley for a book called Nora goes off script by Annabelle Monahan. And
00:22:04
Speaker
was like my first single parent I had like before that I had like avoided single parent a lot because I was like why like that TikTok audio was like fuck them kids and fuck youtube I was like why would I want to read about children when I'm trying to read these romance books um but I don't like I read that book and I was just like oh my god um because I yeah the love interest building a relationship and that one's a single mom and the love interest building a relationship with
00:22:33
Speaker
the kids. I was like, wait, this is the best part of this whole book. And in that book specifically, that was like my favorite part. It was just so good. So then I kind of just like spiraled. So of course I have my list here. And I'll first start off with something.
00:22:50
Speaker
I'll start off with some non-romance. We were like, they have a romance plot line, but I don't know if I would consider these like full, full romance. Two of them that I love are Lessons in Chemistry and Seven Days in June. Yeah, like I love them both so much. I don't know if I would recommend these as romance books. I do recommend the books, like both of them are five stars, incredible, incredible reads. But I don't know if I consider, well, I definitely don't consider Lessons in Chemistry a romance. Seven Days in June, like I think
00:23:17
Speaker
It could be considered romance, but it's like, yeah, it's like, it leans women's fiction for sure. So those are two non-romance, but of course I have to talk about Demi Perry, who writes some of the best single parent out there. So I have my top three saved as well, but like some other ones that I loved are Tattered by Demi Perry, The Bluff by Willa Nash, who is also Demi Perry, that's her pen name.
00:23:46
Speaker
Um, and both of those daughters from those books from Tattered and the Bluff confirmed are getting their own books. So she's working on like a second gen right now, which I like really love because obviously we'd have to like fall in love with those kids. Um, she also wrote Dotted Lines, which is another one that I love. These are not all of her single parent books. I'm just naming ones that I love. Um, but then, so yeah, those are some Debbie Perry ones I love. Then the Bride Test, um, by Helen Wong is so good.
00:24:10
Speaker
Funny Feelings by Tara DeWitt, that single dad. I love that one. Ignite by Melanie Harlow. Oh, so good. That one actually has... Yeah, you really do. It's so good. Those two kids, Hallie and Luna. Those are my favorite fictional kids I've ever read about. Like they're so funny. The audiobook for that one is so good. Steven Dexter is the male narrator. I don't even remember who the female narrator is, but
00:24:36
Speaker
Do you think Ignite counts? I leaned toward no one so I didn't include Ignite on my list, but do you think that one counts as Grumpy Sunshine? I'd actually say yeah. You think so? Yeah, because he's like grumpy with his kids too, like in a cute dad way. Yeah. They're so annoying all the time. Yeah, I think so. He's definitely grumpy. I just wonder if Winnie was Sunshine. Oh, I think so. Like her whole arc is about how like easily she falls in love and like people take advantage of her. Yeah, I think
00:25:06
Speaker
I think so for sure. Okay. Yeah. Oh my God. And that one's age gap too. So good. It's so good. That's a really great one. Yeah. Yeah. Really easy read. That one is my favorite in the series by a mile at this point. So I haven't read Tempt yet though. But that one's also second gen, which I didn't know when I read it originally. There's a whole series of books that come before that. Like Winnie herself is a kid from a single parent romance book.
00:25:35
Speaker
And this is her all grown up being, yeah, being. I didn't know that either. Yeah. So those ones are also good. And then my top three that I've ever read for a single parent, my number three is the soulmate equation by Christina Lauren. It's so good. Juno is so funny in that one as well. That's the daughter.
00:25:57
Speaker
Number two, I did Heartless, which Kayla mentioned earlier. Oh, it's just so good. It is very much very Grumpy Sunshine. I don't know, that book is just like so, it was just so perfect for me. Like I just love everything about that book. Again, Age Gap, Single Dad, Grumpy Sunshine. Oh, it's so good. He's like a grumpy... The kid in that book was kind of... Can I say what I was... I wasn't gonna say it, but since Kendra brought it up.
00:26:22
Speaker
It just makes you laugh. I love that book, do not get me wrong. I was tired. But I was always kind of like side-eyeing Luke a little bit because I was like, you talk way too well. Wasn't he like five? Yeah.
00:26:37
Speaker
You talk in full sentences that make complete sense all the time. Like philosophical too. I'm like, what? No five year old talks like that. But anyway, shut up. I let it slide. It was good. It was good. It was good. He was just like really advanced.
00:26:53
Speaker
Yeah, maybe he's just, you know, yeah, exactly really advanced. I don't know. I think often in romance or a single pair of romance books, like they fall in love with the kid at the same time that they're falling in love with their parent. And that I feel like in Heartless, like she falls in love with Luke way before she falls in love with Cade, which I like really loved because Will is the nanny in Heartless. So she like is with Luke all day, every day, all summer long.
00:27:19
Speaker
and I mean obviously there's feelings between her and Kade really early but like she's just like I don't know her relationship with Luke I just thought was so so sweet. And then of course my number one small parent in the romance book ever is Juniper Hill by Daphne Perry. Pretends to be shocked.
00:27:38
Speaker
Yeah, sorry, I'm predictable. This is shocking. Yeah, I don't know. Just like something about that book. I love Knox. I love Memphis. This is like a rare one where the kid doesn't really have a personality, obviously, because he's a newborn. Newborn babies don't have personalities. Like most of the time, like I love the kids' personalities and single parent romances, obviously. But this one, he's like newborn, newborn. Like she had him like three months ago. He is a baby, baby.
00:28:07
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know. I just, I love it so much. And it's one of my favorite books ever. Some single parent or single guardian ones that are on my TBR right now are Final Offer. I haven't read that one yet. And Unravel Me, which is going to be Adam's book in the Playing for Peace series. And you're reading one right now. Yes. And in the jam, in a jam is my current read.
00:28:33
Speaker
So you said you said that the kids in ignite are your favorite fictional kids. I think I think Jeannie is mine She's a good one hilarious. Yeah She's really cute Yeah, she's very funny too. I'm That that's the kid from in a jam. Her name is Imogen. They call her Jenny. She's just so cute and She's got a patty mouth And it's very funny. Yeah, she has like ADHD and I thought was like represented really well. Yeah, absolutely especially since um
00:29:04
Speaker
Shay as a teacher like being able to like identify those signs young and a kid is just like obviously part of teacher training and stuff like I just thought that was so sweet how she was such an advocate for Jenny before she even really had a relationship with Noah. I honestly have to wonder if the author of that book was a teacher herself at one point because the way that she
00:29:26
Speaker
my mom was a teacher so like the way I don't know the way that she like talked to Imogen and like when she was teaching her and tutoring her I thought was just very
00:29:35
Speaker
well done. Yeah, I also I wondered if she has somebody in her life who's a teacher because I've read books where like there are teachers and I'm like that is illegal. Like some of the stuff like they'll just like leave the kids in the room and like walk out. I'm like, Oh, that's that's legal. I haven't all the time in Abbott Elementary too, by the way, anytime that they're like, keep working and then they like step out of the room like that's illegal. But yeah, no, in a jam is just it's so good. That one's like a single guardian.
00:30:05
Speaker
So that one is unique in that way. I love, and I have read other single parent romance books, but these are like, definitely my top ones. Go ahead. I was gonna say I really like getting real. But I'm ashamed. And I love the kids. And that's a single parent where like the kids are older. And I really like that too. Because like when they're like five or six, it's like annoying, whatever. But like when they're like older, they can like
00:30:32
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because they can have like an opinion about like who the person their like parent is getting involved with and I hope the boys in that story were really good and whoever just like ate down with that audio book you did such a good job. That one's free if you have an audible membership audible sponsor us. Brandy why do you love the single parent to have so much? Yeah I think
00:30:55
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um for me it like really took me by surprise because I personally don't want kids in the future um but something about like seeing somebody who is just like constantly putting their kid first in every aspect of their life which is most single parent romance books right like they've been single for a while and everything they're doing is for their kid like they want to make their kid's life better they want to be enough for their kid they want their kid to lack for nothing so as a result in most of these books
00:31:23
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like their happiness has been put on the back burner and I think just seeing somebody who is putting the main character or the single parent first and like prioritizing their happiness along with their kids is just like really beautiful to read about like
00:31:41
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Acknowledging like you have made all these sacrifices for your kid and for your family or kids sometimes plural. But like, let me take some of that load now like let me shoulder some of that burden. And I just I don't know. I just think it's like so beautiful and
00:31:57
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It can be really, really small things too. When I think about Juniper Hill, I think about Knox throwing away her boxed mac and cheese and making her homemade mac and cheese because in no world does Memphis have time while she's trying to take care of a newborn by herself while working a full-time job in a new state where she knows nobody. In no world,
00:32:15
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Does she have time to sit and make herself homemade mac and cheese, or really anything extremely fancy for her packed lunch? But Nox has time, and he makes time for her, and he does it, and just small things like that, or going to get her coffee, and buying her a latte when she's been drinking shitty drip coffee to save money for her and her kid.
00:32:37
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or being the one to walk around the apartment holding Drake in the middle of the night instead of having to just constantly be Memphis. It can be really small things like that, or also really massive things in the soulmate equation. Even monetary stuff. That's such a reality for single parents a lot of the time.
00:32:56
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Jess in the soulmate equation is like really struggling financially. Well, not really struggling, but she's struggling financially. And River's rich. So he's like, cool, you don't have to worry about that anymore. So, yeah, I don't know. I love it so much. Okay, and we've kind of talked about this before. For me personally, I prefer single dad versus single mom. Why do you think so many people go crazy over single dads?
00:33:23
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I think because society has taught us that it's a woman's job anyways to take care of kids. So in our heads, anytime a dad does anything, I'm guilty of this too. I'm still trying to remember this when I see things. Anytime a dad does anything, people are like, oh my God, I can't believe he's doing the bare minimum for his children. I saw a video, I remember so vividly, I watched a video with dad brushing his daughter's hair and I was like, oh my God, look. And they were like,
00:33:53
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He's being a parent, like he's doing his job. So I think like that same thing, right? Where like we've been told like, especially as women reading the book, like, oh, it's, it's.
00:34:03
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if you have a child, it's your responsibility. It's your fault. Like you have to shoulder the burden most of the time. So I think like seeing single dads and books who are like going above and beyond in the same way single moms do as well, right? Like any single parents going above and beyond to take care of a child. So yeah, I think a lot of people seeing that they're like, my God, which same, same, same. So I don't know. I think that that's probably why like society
00:34:30
Speaker
You know who else is a really good, what, another really good single dad romance? Welcome to the dark side. He's a great father. Like, too good. Kendra, he didn't raise his kids. Damn it. He did not even raise his children. Listen, he was raised.
00:34:56
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He, Zeus was raising someone. It wasn't his direct blood case. I just want to say that this is probably the worst case for a book that you've ever given. Like I don't understand what. If you're picking up Welcome to the Dark Side, you need to check your content warnings. Yes.
00:35:22
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This book is not for everyone, but it was for me. It's a single parent. It's not a single parent. It can be considered. She's a single parent with two kids.
00:35:36
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And I love interest to see just his kids. Yeah. He goes to his kids basketball games to go support them. He said his son to college, like college isn't cheap, especially Vancouver. He made sure his son had a quality education. Yeah. You guys. He literally fake made it his son's teacher to help his son.
00:36:06
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Secretly date. Dad of the year. And he's not only the dad to like his biological kids. Like he's the father of the fallen. Don't stop. He's the father of the fallen. Of the fallen. He's like, everyone's a dad. Like Zeus is like the leader. You are definitely going to go somewhere else with that. Does Lou call him daddy sometimes too? Yeah. You know what else he calls her? His little girl.
00:36:36
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Anyway, I just want everybody to know that I am the most tired I've ever been. Oh my god, so true.
Kendra's Favorite Trope: Fake Dating
00:36:50
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But yeah, in conclusion, if you're hesitant to read single parent romances, because you're like, why would I want to read about those kids? I think the relationship built between the kids and the love interest or the kids in their own parent
00:37:03
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in those books are some of my favorite relationships that exist in books. So highly recommend you pick those up if you're going to pick up one, pick up Juniper Hill by Debbie Perry. And if you're not a romance person, A, how are you still listening to this? And B, read Lessons in Chemistry. So good. For sure. Yeah. Mad. I love mad. Me too. That's my trope. If I had to pick one to read for the rest of my life, it's that thank God I don't have to pick though.
00:37:33
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Yay, variety. My trope, it was hard for me to pick a favorite trope, too, because I like a lot of them. But for today, I did fake dating slash marriage of convenience. And marriage of convenience is just fake dating on steroids. Yeah. It's fantastic. I'm going to rapid fire, try the list. I made a list, so I'll try to name them all. So I made a collision, which we just talked about.
00:38:02
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Two Wrongs, Make or Write, one of Kayla's favorite books. Tangled Like Us. Is that the first Jane and Thatcher book where they're fake dating? Yes. Honey and Spice. That fake dating was so good. Honey and Spice. The Wedding Crasher by Mia Sosa, which I don't think either of you two have read, but it's pretty good. In A Jam, which is marriage of convenience. Zinni, which is marriage of convenience. And if you haven't read Zinni yet, it has a pegging scene, and it's so good.
00:38:32
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both of the characters are bisexual and it's just like a great time um the little hypothesis i did not know that was a marriage of convenience yeah they have to it's almost like in a jam where like they had someone in the will was like y'all need to get married yeah um love hypothesis by ellie hazelwood how big it in hollywood which is one of my favorite books from this year wall of winnipeg and me which every time i remember that book i remember how good it was it was such a good read yeah
00:39:02
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That one, while Winnipeg and me, I almost also put that one in Grumpy Sunshine. I don't consider Vanessa Sunshine. That's why I... He's definitely Grumpy though. He's 100% Grumpy. She's like in the middle, I feel like. She's not quite either. She's sometimes despite him, not so much because it's like her natural demeanor. Yeah, true.
00:39:26
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Um, brutal prints by Sophie Larkage. Well, that's, oh, well, it's not really marriage or convenience, but like they don't want to be married. Yeah. Like, um, redeemed by Lauren Asher in terms and conditions by Lauren Asher. So good. Did I miss any? Oh, um, yours truly by Addie Jimenez, which hasn't come out yet as of today and, um, addicted to you.
00:39:52
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by Becca and Krista. They're two of those evilness twins. What else? Jasper Vale, which is like one night stand accidental marriage, but then it turns into a marriage of convenience for both of them. They both need something out of that marriage. A YA pic, which is sprinkly in love, which is I think
00:40:17
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far superior than a lot of these books on this list when it comes to the fake dating trope, but you guys don't really read YA, but if you wanted to, that one is fantastic, like one of the best books I've ever read. And then lastly, the book that I hate currently the most is Heavy Place by Emily Henry. It pains me to say that, but talk about it.
00:40:37
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the fake dating it's just it's fake dating second chance romance it was just too many tropes at once and if I had to remove a trope from that book it would have been the fake dating aspect of it all because there was no need for them to be fake dating yeah it was just awful awful book and the more I think about it the more I hate it
00:40:56
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I know. And I'm an Emily Henry girlie. I don't know if you know this, but we're trying to keep listeners. And I think people, I'm just kidding. Um, cause I didn't, I didn't love the book either, but, um, yeah, there's a lot of discourse going on around that book. Yeah. When it comes to like the fake dating trope, like I said, like I heard her move it from that book. I don't think she did that. Get him a job with that trope utilizing it. And it's because of the circumstances that she placed on her own characters. Like for me, fake dating.
00:41:26
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What makes it so good is that a forced proximity between the characters suddenly is thrust upon them for whatever reason they need be. So a lot of the romantic things that they're doing together is new. And it's that newness that makes it so good. So it's like, oh, wow, I'm holding this person's hand. Why does it feel like this? I'm supposed to pretend it's not feeling pretend. Oh, we have to kiss. Oh, shit, that kiss felt really great.
00:41:50
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Um, we have to like make it in parents somewhere and like you, I had to like see them get dressed up. Oh my gosh, it's straight. So like in a book like happy place where they had just broken up five months ago and they're like fake dating. Yeah. We didn't get any of that. Like fun newness, um, that you get with a lot of. That is so true. I can't think of another example of second chance fake dating.
00:42:14
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Yeah, I think it's just that book should have just been second chance and not fake dating, especially once you get to the complex in that book and you're just like, what the fuck? Anyway, I don't want to talk about it too much because it disappoints me. Oh, did I say Danny Brown? No. Danny Brown is such a good fake dating book. So the thing about like fake dating, I love
00:42:40
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also is that you can stack it against so many other tropes, right? So it's like, with Danny Brown, it was like friends to lovers, but with the fake dating added in and that combination is just so good. They're like, I'm like, it's just my buddy. Yeah, and then it's like, oh, then it's like, Oh, I'm doing this because like, we're friends, like, I'm trying to help you out. And then it's like, Oh, wait, like, you're really hot. You're like really making me feel things I've never felt before. And it's just so freaking good. Like, same with terms and conditions that being marriage, convenience,
00:43:11
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like it was boss assistant which was already like one thing and Iris was like oh like I just really respect you as a boss and you've done so much for me like I want you to like succeed and like trying to get your part of the company like of course I'll help you and then it turns into like this whole thing and it's just so good you mentioned one that I love that you don't love you like we didn't love two wrongs make a right and that one also combines like
00:43:39
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I don't want to call them full enemy celebrities because they had just met recently, but they really did not like each other when they first met. They were not happy with each other. It's also revenge fake dating. They're trying to get back at other people. And so they're trying to do it in spite of other people not doing it necessarily for each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, so the fake dating part when they start to like do it
00:44:09
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like touch each other and they get a little more affection. They're like, wait, why does this feel nice? So they're like, why did I like that so much? I love, that's like the best part about big dating. It's kind of like, um, yours truly by Abby Jimenez. Like, cause they also started off on like the completely wrong foot. And then they like kind of became friends along the way. And then they're like, Oh, like I need a date. And then it turns into big dating and it was just so good. God, so good.
00:44:38
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Um, yeah. That's like, I, one thing I both hate and love at the same time in fake dating, because I hate it because I'm like, Oh, you guys are so stupid, but I love it because I'm like, um, is when they're like, Oh, this is all fake. This is all fake. Like he's just doing, it's like, it's just for show. It's just for show. I'm like, no, it's not. Wait, did you say it in a jam?
00:45:02
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Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's what I'm thinking of right now. Like I'm like at the point in that book, where they're both lying a little bit past it. But just a few chapters ago, they were like, Oh my god, wait, but it's all for show. It's all for show. I'm like, you guys are so dumb. And they're not like when they're not sure about
00:45:17
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Maybe how the other person feels. Yeah like are they cringing? Yeah because like sometimes I think some people some characters are able to recognize their feelings that they actually really do care about this person and that this is real for them but they're not sure if the other person is being real and so then that's kind of part of the conflict. So yeah. Yeah it's really good.
00:45:37
Speaker
I love people or I love when one of them is just like so excited about the fake dating. Cause I feel like there's sometimes where they're like, they're both going into it being like, this is not romantic. But I love when one of them is secretly like, yeah, Noah. Oh yeah. Like one of them is just like. So cute. Chomping at the bit. Yeah. They're like, I'll do it. They're like tripping over themselves to be the one. I volunteer. I volunteer. Or it's like an addicted to you.
00:46:07
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I like it's like interesting, right? Because when we meet them, they've already been big dating for like years, you have a fair addiction. So I like that a lot of that book is them reaching their breaking point. So because sometimes in
00:46:22
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other books like that breaking point it's very short and then it's like okay let's get to the conflict but in addition to you like the breaking point is like such a big chunk of it yeah and you see low like especially I think is that was more eager in that big dating relationship at first than Lily because he was just like so in love with her like oh this man never confused about that no he loved her so much in the fact that spoiler I guess he would sleep with other girls just so he could like
00:46:52
Speaker
learn himself how to please Lily because like she's a sex addict and he was like I need to like be able to keep up that I don't know I guess it's not really a part of the fake dating of it all but I think about whoa having to like fake date her and go through all that all the time like he's been in love with her since they were like 13 like he like uh and I feel like Lily like because she had
00:47:17
Speaker
so much confusion around her addiction like she was in love with him that whole time too she just didn't know how to like reconcile that that she had so much oh she hated herself so much and i love the like jealousy with fake dating too and i think you get that in in the dicatillo um it's just so so good because it's like obviously they really have no claim on each other because it's all fake but then when they do see them interact with someone else they're like
00:47:44
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Like, what are you doing? Like, you should be like with me, like, oh, it's so good. When you said that Lo, I think people who have not read the series, and then they hear you say, yeah, Lo would sleep with other women. I think out of context, that sounds... Oh, it sounds awful. Yeah. But we promise. It's really good. It turned out to be like one of the most romantic things guys ever did.
00:48:11
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I got to that part because it's not even like revealed until like the third book when you get Lowe's POV but when I got to that part I like my jaw dropped I felt it all in my chest like Lowe's point of view is one of the most painful points of views to read and when he like recaps their relationship and like everything he kind of like quote unquote suffered through like watching Lily be with other people while like having to put on a front with her for their parents
00:48:36
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she's very painful and very well done. And that's why I hate those evil ass twins, because they gave me something so good. And then what happened? Do you know what like, an interesting dynamic is that I can think of a couple books for where one person is faking it and the other one isn't like, like the devious plot line, I can't think of the right word devious isn't good, like, like seducing somebody to like ruin their life or whatever. Because Heavy Crown
00:49:07
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So Heavy Crown and Tin Queen are the two that I can think of where one of them is like trying to ruin the other person's life, but then accidentally. Oops. We need more of those. Those are so. I'm trying to go like what's another one. I don't know. Yeah. There's not really that many of them. Well, that's, I think those are like,
00:49:32
Speaker
Tin Queen for me is like by far the best in that series. And one of my favorite, if I don't want to, I'm hesitant to call it my favorite Devany book, but it's really close. Um, but it's just so unique. You know what I mean? And so I think that's part of like, we need more of those. Give me more of those. Yeah. I feel like that could have happened in fallen men. Somebody could have done that. Who knows if Gianna ever gives us another book, maybe it will.
00:49:59
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, okay. One thing I also I really like about like this specifically applies to marriage of convenience is like the usage of like my wife, my husband, like official titles. Like my mind I revert whenever I'm reading romance. I'm a woman. I am a Christian conservative woman in the 1950s when I read romance books. I want the man to do everything. Yeah. To propose. Yeah. To propose. Like I need him to be making all the money. Well, in some cases, I don't
00:50:29
Speaker
But like, you know, yeah. So when in marriage with me, it helps me experience that because we get these super possessive men and they're like, you're touching my wife. Oh, you're my wife. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so good. My favorite, like my wife's moment, I think it's still in wall of Winnipeg in me. Like that was really good.
00:50:53
Speaker
Um, he says, touch my wife again and I'll break every bone in your goddamn body. My wife, not Vanessa. He'd gone with my wife. He cussed for me, for my honor. So good. So good. You find that shit so fast, Kayla. It's crazy. She's a wizard. How was that already on your phone? Did you have a download? No, I found it on a Pinterest quote.
00:51:19
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I just, I just googled it. I literally just googled the wall of Winnipeg and me wife quote in that pop. Oh, love. But yeah, that one's really, really good. I'm trying to look of another one where Oh, it was, it was, um, Aiden was pit. This is before he said it. Aiden was pissed. The king of patrol looked like he wanted to rip apart my sister's boyfriend slash. Yes. That's what it was. It was her family. Yeah. Okay.
00:51:43
Speaker
Oh and her family was like so shitty and like that's another thing with big dating when like you have to like let's say like if it's like a stranger situation like them intertwining their lives is so good. It's like in terms when definitely goes to visit Iris's mom and grandmother and it's like the funniest thing like they're giving him that taste test with like the chicken and like how hot it is but he just like took it as like a champ and in yours truly when three when she don't meet Jacob's family it's just I love that yeah so
00:52:13
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I like seeing that and thinking that's my major convenience. Oh my god. So cute. When you were saying, Kendra, that you were thinking of other really good my wife moments, that quote in a jam when he was like, I'm always less than a minute away from accidentally calling her my wife and nobody needs that because they're secretly married. Oh, wait. Can I say something about in a jam? Can I spoil something, Brandy? It's very slight. It's not plot spoiler. That's right. My one thing with in a jam is that
00:52:42
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he says you know he says my wife a little too much like it was like it's because it a lot he calls like his pet name is for her is wife wife yes and i was just like it kind of a lot like the first few times i was like oh god yes like your wife and then he just like kept saying it and i was like bro she has a name yeah so i'm calling her like baby or love or whatever yeah i will beat up fake dating every single time it's so good not to um make you upset kindra but um
00:53:11
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when sometimes when i hear jared call me his wife i get a little tingly it's really nice yeah like you know so fair if i was married i'd be like damn
00:53:40
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Just a quick humble brag. Real quick. You're somebody's wife, Kayla. I am. Don't remind me. It makes Kendra stick to her stomach. It's literally gross. Like sometimes, I don't hear him say it like that often, but sometimes he'll be telling me a story about a story he was telling somebody else and he'll be like, yeah, I was telling them like, you know, my wife, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like,
00:54:05
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Oh, you know that I remember when Kayla and I first became friends, like before we like, or just like, I guess before we came close in our friendship, she would always be like, yeah, my husband, like I never knew his fucking name. She would just be like, my husband, my husband. And I was like, okay. And then she just found his name.
Least Favorite Tropes and Debates
00:54:23
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Yeah, Kayla's married, gross, disgusting.
00:54:28
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so happy for her sometimes only sometimes is it gross and disgusting for me because i openly lost after a bunch of fictional men and my husband is like i was talking to daniel the other day who is my boyfriend and he was like anytime you're talking to your friends you just like you're going in about all the things that you want these men to do to you and i was like no i'm not i was like that's them that's them and he's like no that's you you're saying it i'm like sorry
00:54:57
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oh my gosh yeah so good yeah anyways as the only single person uh on this podcast i'm the only one that can truly openly lust after all these fictional men so true yeah uh really quickly do you guys have a least favorite show like a show that you don't like reading i think i would say unrequited love but honestly i don't think i've read that many
00:55:24
Speaker
I can only really think of one that I like really didn't like. And unfortunately, that's Two Mid by Devany Perry. That book is amazing. Kinder, let's stop. We don't lie to people. No, because listen. We don't lie to the people. If you go into that book thinking it's going to be the funniest thing you've ever read, then you will have such a good time. Do not go into that book thinking this is going to be the epitome of romance, because no. But if you think it's going to be hilarious,
00:55:55
Speaker
then I had a great time with that book. It was so funny. Unfortunately, I didn't get the memo about the that it was supposed to be a comedy. Okay. I didn't get that memo. The mystery of the book really gripped me. Oh, yeah, the mystery. Okay. Fair enough. High key. The plot outside of the romance is really good. Yeah. And I think
00:56:15
Speaker
I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people will automatically just say accidental pregnancy, but honestly, I don't mind it. I love it. When it's done well, I get what people like I've heard people say, well, I don't like it when it's literally the sole reason like for a couple getting together like, but I don't
00:56:33
Speaker
I don't know, when it's done well. And I've read, I've read, I think most of the accidental pregnancies that I have read have been done well, maybe not all of them, but most of them. And I've enjoyed them immensely. Yeah. I so loudly hate unrequited love. You really do. I'm so loud about it. Last night I asked Brandy, I was like, is there like, she was like, Oh, I only like unrequited love if it's done like this way. And I was like, well, do you have a book where like, you like and she's like,
00:57:02
Speaker
No. For me, for unrequited love, if it's going to be unrequited love, A, it's always going to be a harder self for me if the woman has been in love with a man for a really long time. That is always going to be a harder self for me because I'm like, this is fiction. Why would I want to watch a woman pining over a man in a fictional setting? And B, if it is a woman who's been in love with a man forever,
00:57:31
Speaker
and she's like, whatever, down so bad. I need her to get a grip and then make him work for it in order for me to buy in. If she's just like, oh my God, finally he's giving me his attention, thank God. I'm like, ew. No, no, no, no, no, no. Did you not like inked in lies? Because that's unrequited love, isn't it? It is. It's one of my least favorite besides lessons in corruption, I think. And I think I maybe liked it better than after the fall as well.
00:58:00
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I don't know. I know it's a fan favorite. Like most people I feel like say Welcome to the Dark Side or Ink to Lies. I just, yeah, no, it was hard for me for that exact reason. Like Lila's been in love with him her whole fucking life. That's why I struggled with Powerless. That's why I struggled by Elsie Silver. That's why I struggled with Timid by Demi Perry. It's just like women who have been in love with men forever. I'm just like, oh God. Stand up. Stand up. Yeah. Kinner, what about you?
00:58:30
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um enemy slivers really yeah especially in contemporary books like it just doesn't work in examples the hating game is by far one of the worst books i've ever met okay you said especially in contemporary so like in fantasy do you like like it a lot more because i don't really read like judon carden well judon carden is like that's like that's so hard to be like right
00:59:01
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other than that no because like people will be like oh Akatar is like enemy slubbers like Reese and Feyre and i'm like Reese never hated that girl like let's be for real sorry to anyone who's never I guess he no he tried to murder her like I know he said kissing her was just like he was disgusted like he hated that girl actually
00:59:25
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Well, yeah, he was fighting he was disgusted by how much he loved it and Jude Jude hate it Like I think that's a really good. Okay, it's probably not like peak enemy slivers. I just like it never really works The way that I I just don't think I'd want to fall in love with someone who is my enemy cuz like they're your enemy for a reason Unless and then usually when it's enemy slivers, there's always a shift, right? and I don't
00:59:52
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like that shift like one thing about grumpy sunshine that's really cool is that like that dynamic can continue once the romance book is over so she can always still be an optimistic person he can always still be a grumpy person but enemies to lovers like it's the to part that like yeah it's just like yeah it never works
01:00:12
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I also don't really like bully romances either because it's kind of like... Oh yeah, me neither. Bullying is really hard for me to read as well. It is. It's hard. But I'm like trying to even think of like contemporary besides the hating game. I'm like trying to think of enemies to lovers books. I literally can't think of one. Well a lot of people say... I know I'm trying to think because a lot of people will say like, oh this is enemies to lovers in contemporary because they don't know how else to like... I mean like people will even say like flawless by LC Silver's enemies to lovers because they didn't get along at the beginning. Yeah. It's not enemies they just didn't get along.
01:00:40
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yeah uh uh the unhoneymooners oh yeah i guess people do that does people do consider that as enemy celebrities but again like people you know what enemies they're just annoying count the simple wildest enemies okay that's true i think i did at first yeah but like again like they were never it's just like they were enemies maybe like half a second you know to me enemies is like you have to be
01:01:10
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I don't know the other word that I'm looking for, but like enemies, you have to, okay, enemies, sorry. You want different things, but like the other person is getting in the way, that makes them your enemy, right? And I think like nemesis, so that's what it is with Jude and Carter. Jude and Carter are nemesis, because they want the same thing, but they want to go about it different ways. So they view each other as like a thread, like they both, you know,
01:01:39
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I don't know. It sounds a lot better in my head, but like Jonah and Calla. Calla wanted to connect with Ren in her own little way. Jonah wanted her to connect with Ren in his own little way, but they were going about it in opposite ways and their personalities clash. So I would never consider them enemies. They just did not get along. It doesn't mean you're someone's
Conclusion and Reflections
01:02:01
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enemy. Okay. What about, okay. These two, two quick ones. Yes or no. From Luke Cloth with love. No.
01:02:08
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You deserve each other. They want the same thing. You deserve each other? No, because they want the same thing. Yeah, I think Adamie is just way too strong a word to use for anything contemporary. I think you could say rivals, you could say nemesis, you could say rivals. Yeah, rivals is good. Was that the word I was looking for inside of nemesis earlier? Probably. I mean, both. I really don't. No, I just think you could use either. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:38
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there's nothing I won't read if people I trust are telling me like you're gonna like this like I'll try anything like any trope but yeah Unrequited loves a really hard sell for me every single time well guys this was fun does anyone have like a trope that they would have talked about today that they didn't get to second chance I mean probably it's a great one yeah
01:03:04
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For me, probably would have been fake dating, like I love fake dating, so you got it. I would have done friends to lovers. Yeah, I forgot. You know, people shit on friends to lovers kind of the same way they shit on. Ooh. Ooh, whoa. That's a strong call. She got fired, yeah. You okay, Brandy? You need some robot testing? She's really loud about her hate for friends to lovers. Well, people shit on it, I think, as equally as they do like acts in normal pregnancy and stuff.
01:03:31
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But I love it. I think it's so good, especially if it's like childhood friends to lovers like BJ and Magnolia what pisses me off about Magnolia Park so much like the line that I think about constantly or lines is how they always say things like we grew up in each other's arms like he knows my body because he's like watched it change over the years and I'm like Wow must be so nice Congrats. Oh, they make me sick Congratulations
01:04:00
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because they've been in love with each other since they were like six and four respectively or something like that and it's just like damn they went through everything yeah those are so good okay well good job everybody yeah crushed it next time we'll bring something else probably bookish but who knows who knows who knows okay all right bye love you guys bye