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Avatar: The Anime That Is Not Really An Anime
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This week we chat Anag vs. Korra and the Avatar Lore! Another live action we didn't ask for but did we actually like it? Tune in!
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Introduction to Mela Ninjas and Anime Love
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Hello, I am one of your hosts, Emerson, along with Alex and Kawan, and we are your Mela Ninjas. We talk all things anime. We are experts, just very passionate anime fans who are happy to give their opinion and perspectives on various topics.
Debate: Avatar vs. Legend of Korra
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And this week we are chatting about Avatar, which is not an anime, but it might as well be, we all love it. And we're gonna start off talking about Avatar, the last airbender versus Avatar, Legend of Korra, very divisive issue. And then we're gonna go from there and chat about the new live action, which isn't so new anymore, but you had enough time to digest it, we won't have any spoilers for you because you should have seen it. And then we're gonna wrap up chatting about just some of the
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favorite anime we've had so far this year.
Character Dynamics: Aang vs. Korra
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So we're going to kick it off. Aang versus Kora, if you want to boil it down to that, or if you want to boil it down to series versus series, I need all your takes. And if you don't have a take, just give me a take that you heard from some friends. I got some wild ones that I've heard. And yes, let's kick it off. So I'm going to throw it to Alex first.
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And then we're going to punt back and forth, chime in if you want. I know Kawan got some very animated, lively takes about this as well. So Alex, the floor is yours. I don't know if we want to start with violence, but I am not a Cora fan.
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I am not a Cora fan. I do not like Cora. I have not liked Cora day one, and it stinks because I wanted to. It's not like I don't want to like Cora. I know she doesn't get enough credit, but she's probably the strongest avatar, one of the strongest avatars. She can do all these advanced bending styles. I think they show her metal bending. I think they show her
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Does she blood bend? I think she blood bends. I think she does all the, she has really advanced high level bending skills and she was basically doing high level bending from really the first episode. So she's a prodigy in a lot of ways, but her character, I just don't like her. I don't like her. I don't like her. I just can't get with her personnel. What about her, don't you like?
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She's kind of a bitch and she's and she's like also just not considerate. She's not a good friend. She's not really and she's petty. I just don't I don't like I just don't like her. And then I also feel like you put her in the rest of her squad together, like the squad just the gang is not even comparable to, you know, the original squad, like not even close. They're just so devoid of depth.
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feel like Mako's whole character is I'm hot and I mean even Asami's whole character arc is like I'm even Asami had a lot of potential I liked Asami probably better like maybe the best
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But she's still just, they strip her character, they give her nothing to do most of the time, which is very unfortunate. And Bolin is like very, I can't even call him discount Sokka, because he's just not even good at being Sokka. And
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don't even get me started on Nagi. This is like the polar bears name like Naga or where did it go? Like two thirds of the way through the show. Like it doesn't even come back. Like I don't, just gone. Like I just, I just, and then they had like a weird, they ended up having what? Like this, some weird Kanji fight, like not Kanji. They all just,
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I just don't even get me started on demon kite, like all the demon kite concept in the show with Rava and Vaatu, like, I mean, just everything about the show. I'm just not, I'm not here for it. But I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let someone else take over. Okay, come on.
Strengths and Challenges: Korra's Journey
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So like, I agree, I agree predominantly with everything Alex said. However, there is some disagreement. So like,
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The one thing I will say the core wins over Aang is like it was much easier watching someone be like a headstrong idiot than it was watching them be or like a headstrong bitch than it was watching them be a blithering idiot.
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Because Aang was so young, he was just running around, like not really, like just lost, like running into Fire Nation to have a party and then like fucking up and then getting caught and all this other shit. I was like, it was kind of irritating watching Aang. I feel like he was like the white woman in a horror movie. And he tripping in Fire Nation territory usually. So it's just like, stay your ass home.
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However, I will say that, like, across the board, otherwise, Aang's, Aang and his squad is way better. Appa, bout that life. Never left Aang's side. They had to literally put this man in captivity to get him out of the game. And then even then he came back. So I mean, like, on his own. On his own, yes. Appa had more depth. Like, they gave Appa more character development than, like, any single person on Cora's whole squad. Yeah.
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Core Squad is also trash. So the thing I liked the most about Aang Squad was each of them was a pioneer in something bending related. Toff was metal bending, mud bending, damn near sand bending at one point. So everybody from Aang Squad had a lot to offer and was developing very fast. Whereas I feel everybody in Core Squad is ass. They started off ass. They continue to be ass. And they're going to say, yeah.
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You gonna leave Mookol? He learned, he learned. He learned some lava bending at the end. Yeah, but like... Bolin, Bolin learned it at the end. At the end, though. Like, this nigga's out here, metal bending, and all he can do is throw frisbees at people? Like, come on. It didn't do it for me, I'm sorry. Like, Toph, Toph was really the toughest person on the team, and that's kind of what you expect, having that whole, like, avatar, like, having the first avatar series, and you learning all about how each nation has their own, like,
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base personality almost. The earthbenders are really headstrong. And I feel like Bolin was a bitch, to be honest with you. Toph was about that life. Bolin, not so much. The difference is, I'm just saying, if you had to pick a team to go fight, ain't no way I'm picking anybody from Core. Core is the only
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kind of anchor because not that good. Meanwhile, Aang and his squad had to fight all these, they were the ones that first discovered blood bending and all that other type of stuff and all these new bending style. They're just better. Their progress, especially I think younger ages was way, way, way higher. Well, I will say this, in Korra's defense, I really don't know what Aang squad was going to do with some of the enemies that they put.
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Korra against in her show. In Korra, Legend of Korra, there was a lot of, I think the benders, the main arc enemies of each chapter or book were, I think, a little stronger than
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the people that the Aang's gang had to overcome each time. And so to give them, I give her that, like I think she had a lot harder battles, which is why I think they somehow made her look so weak, even though she was, honestly, I think she could mop the floor with Aang. I feel like straight up. No glass for me, are you kidding me? What do you mean? She just, the only thing that Aang can't touch is, Aang can't touch
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I mean, a core can't touch Aang's airbending. Period. Like, not even close. Never got there.
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That's all Aang needs. If you can't breathe, you can't fight, my nigga. That's all I'm saying. All you gotta do is siphon that little bit of air out her little lungs. You talk about that orb, the air bubble that they put around people, so they pass out. The vacuum. Just leave it there for a couple minutes. Go make a meal. But the problem is, Aang would never do that, because he's a pacifist. So he would literally never do that. That never would happen. That's never a strategy he would use. And so, but I feel like- He's a pacifist at the end.
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Yeah, even even I feel like he was passed all the way through and through. But I feel like for a core at the end of hers, she tried to be one. That's because they had her in a wheelchair at some point. I mean, they just really strong. No, I wasn't in a wheelchair. Just saying. I know. But anyway, I'm just saying I in their defense, I do I do stand by what I said. I think that the the big baths in in the core verse were stronger than a lot of the enemies that
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the angry and had to fight. But but that doesn't take away from the fact that every other core member of Cora squad was completely useless. Like they had nothing to do most of the time there. A lot of what they did had no plot driven objective like they didn't have they were not integral to the plot at all. They had no they didn't advance anything. They kind of just were given accessory side tasks. And if anything, they were just part of her love triangle most of the time like that. And it's just so ancillary to her
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to her development. Like she didn't need them. And I think that's the difference. Aang really, all of Aang's people, all of his squad had value and they had their own merit and they had their own depth and they had their own story and they had their own lessons to learn to then impart into Aang. And it just created this beautiful like marriage of everything. But with Korra, like they just, they're there to just spice things up sometimes, but not really to, they're like this, they're seasoning. They have no, but they have no substance.
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So I definitely have a take on this. And I, I think, you know, we all are in agreement that like, Aang's team is better. I have, I have, I take on bridge with Kwan's statement about the beginning of like the having a headstrong, like bitch versus like a blithering idiot. Only because, only because I at least
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can give Aang a pass for being a child and being like 12 and all that other shit. Quora in the first, honestly all three of them, she got tricked in every book the same exact way every time. Like how many times are you gonna put your trust in people and be failed? But like all the same thing, like nothing changed, right? It was like the way like Turlock and all of them like tried to get her
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to go against the tribe and all that shit. Like they did the same thing for every arc. I guess maybe Kuvera didn't really care about her, but then that brings in another aspect that Alex said that I'm like, because I do think they had good villains. They had captivating villains in it. I think Zaheer was probably my favorite of the villains. I thought Tar-Lok was interesting, like a good plot twist for the first one.
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I thought Kuvera was interesting and I liked Amon or Amon, however you wanna say it. I don't think any of those four add up to Ozai. Like the ultimate big bad that they had to deal with in Avatar, granted, granted Ozai, we saw Ozai on the comment.
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We saw him on a comet and he was like massively OP, which in hindsight rewatching it made me understand or give a lot more grace to the airbenders because literally Ang was the only person that can match up with him on that day. And it took him mastering all four elements to do it. And so I kind of get the need for the avatar and putting all your faith in the 12 year old.
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a little bit versus Quora, I was just like, bruh, people asked multiple times throughout the series, are you sure? Can you handle this person? Can you fight this person? Against Kuvira in the final arc, they tried to stop her from fighting her five different times because she didn't have the strength to do it and everybody saw her get mopped. I don't remember seeing Aang get mopped.
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much less by some cheap lockers. Azula did Aang dirty. I will say, Azula did Aang dirty when they were embossing, say, and she hit him with the light. She did him dirty that one time. Yeah, fair, fair, fair. She snuck him. She snuck him. She snuck him. And you know what? That snuck, when she snuck him, that's what got her daddy beat. Because that was the same scar that got reactivated. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So I don't know. I just think that the villains, I hear you, that I do think that Korra is more skilled than Aang. But I'm not sure.
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that Aang necessarily cared about having those ancillary abilities, like the blood bending, the metal bending. I'm sure if you wanted to, you probably could have learned it, but the pushback on that stance is like, for example, we saw Zaire do flight and we never saw Aang do that. You know, it's like- He flew in the first couple of minutes of the live action. So- Ooh, come on now. Come on now. So I think about that. I think of also,
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Aang's ability, and this could be a training thing, I guess, but like Aang's ability to tap into the avatar state was way cleaner than Corey's. He's way more spiritual than him. Yeah. So I think that that is part of the reason why I think that Kwon was using like the air vacuum as a reason to be assuming that they can both use the avatar state. I think Aang's ability to tap into that pretty quickly. And I'm pretty sure he knows how to do though, because in
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This is, I'm pretty sure this could be wrong, but I think it's right. In Avatar Last Airbender, when he fought Ozai, he did energy bending to take away his fire ability. But in Korra, she used blood bending to take away Amun's ability.
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Yeah, because they completely red cons, the whole principle of the spirit world and spirituality, it seemed like in Cora. That's what I was about to say. Okay, gotcha. I was about to say, I think like, just his ability to like, do that is a little different. So I think he, he might be able to take away her abilities, whatever. But nevermind, we can lead out on the table. We don't know. Unfound territory.
Bending and Elemental Powers
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But yeah, I, yeah, I just don't know, man. I just, I couldn't, in good faith, watch Cora and not worry about her well being.
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versus watching Aang, this 12 year old boy. You're worried about her well-being. You're like, I hope she don't get crushed. If your whole squad is just like, bruh, you sure? Every time they might ask you, you sure? And I don't know, I thought that was crazy. I thought getting taken out by fucking chi blockers was nuts. These motherfuckers aren't even bending. Like, they just palming you up. You don't got no hand-to-hand skills, man. Like, what the fuck? But I think I might have mentioned this to you guys on the side before.
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I will say that because we saw Korra's team get pieced up so much, I did think it added a level of gravity towards like, yo, these are like dangerous fights and altercations, which you didn't really get in Last Airbender. It was kind of like, I don't wanna say goofy, but you saw people bounce back up from getting hit with like Earthbenders, like rock. People in Korra were just taken out, like off one hit. So it kind of shows the potency and strength of
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the fighters in that, if you want to look at it that way. But I also just can't take the image of my head of Cora in her wheelchair and Cora being sprawled out because of these big mech metal things that they can't platinum bend.
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Yeah, they gave they gave her the Yamcha treatment the whole time that are curled up a couple times. The poison that the whole poison scene though was like actually really, really that I thought that was part of the one of the most beautiful pieces of animation. The show that really had me going. I really liked that when she took it out of herself or the the first like when she was basically like it was intense, basically the battle where she got
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didn't he put the met like didn't he like put the poison in her and she had to take it out and that's actually what paralyzed her and had her really messed up. And she was she like freaked out so they didn't get all of it out. Or she either she freaked out or she like went to the avatar state something like happened where Oh, it blocked her avatar state. So she freaked out and she wasn't able to
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they weren't able to get it all out. And then Toph tried to get the rest out. And if she resisted Toph and tossed it, do it yourself. Yeah, that tracks. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, um, I have a question for you guys. Now that you've seen or rewatch recently the legend of Korra and you get the full suite of ancillary powers that come with each nation.
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Which nation would you want to be a part of? Assuming that you can master all of their sub bending. So like, I'll kind of like list out some of the categories so you can have it top of mind. So we saw air bending flight, if you're as nice as I hear, or as Alex pointed out at the beginning of the live action, my boy Aang. I thought the spiritual projection piece was kind of cool, seeing like the air benders being able to get like,
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have stronger access to the spirit world. For waterbending, we saw that they can bloodbend, and this might be extra, but I'm pretty sure spiritbending. That's like when, what's my girl's name? Aang's wife, what's her name again? Katara. Katara brought back the moonfish spirit. She healed it. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Firebending, so you got the lightning, and then you got the people with the little eye, the third eye, and it just makes it explode.
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We like them people, the little laser heads. Earthbending, you have lava bending and metal bending. I'm not sure if you want to add in that whole like, that like sense thing, like they can like sense their surroundings, like hearing where people are, how many people are in the room. But if you want, I kind of add that as part of metal bending, but I'm pretty sure Toph was also doing that on the ground, so. With that in mind, which nation would you want to be a part of?
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Well, for me, it's easy. I would, I would have always said water, water. I just wouldn't want to live in the water nation. The Southern wild water tribe, the Northern water tribe, they just, they have their sexist around there. So I wouldn't want to live there, but, um, there, the, if I could master all the abilities and then actually.
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I mean, waterbending seems like it just has the most versatility with being able to heal and also being able to be used for combat. And it's kind of like all things life. I just really like it.
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I also think that you could use it to transport yourself and then get around a little bit sometimes because she uses that to do the ice and skating and move through the environment quickly. You can extract water from the atmosphere if it's human enough. There just seems to always be value in that.
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Because on the one hand, I totally agree with Alex. Especially, I remember in Avatar when Katara was learning how to waterbend, and she was siphoning the water from the plants. Imagine if they did that to an actual person, yanked all the water out. That is crazy. Yeah. Crazy. But on the flip side, who doesn't want to fly? So the airbenders is kind of where I think I'm at.
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Like the ability to fly is dope. To be able to suffocate a nigga without touching him is like Jedi level foolishness and I'm here for it. I think the air nomads always had like really intricately designed like I love each one of the air temples.
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They were all beautiful. Even the one that was upside down in the mountainside, all of them were just dope. So I think I'd have to go with the Airbenders. Plus, they seemed like more fun people, to be honest. They were so carefree and relaxed. Yeah, they were. A little bit pacifist, probably joking and shit all the time. Those seemed like my kind of people. That's what got us in this whole conundrum in the first place, joking and playing around. I would definitely go Earthbending. Which one? The Earthbenders.
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lava bend and metal bend. I think it was just cool. Like I thought it was super dope. Like whenever they were in a space and they can have like their armor just pop up and go on them. Cause like whenever I forgot what Toph's daughter's name is, the one that was the general, whenever she was like getting ready. What'd you say? I think we lost you. No.
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Can you hear me now? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I was talking about Toph's daughter. What's her name? The one that's the commander? It's Beifong. Beifong, yes. Like whenever Beifong was getting ready to not that I want to go to war, because if I want to go to war, I'd be a firebender. But whenever Beifong was just getting ready to do her shit, like her
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all her armor just like came up from the ground and just like attached to her. Thought that was kind of cool. And then they also kind of looked like little Spider-Man just webbing through the city, like descending. I thought that was kind of badass. Granted, if you want, if you care about transportation, air is definitely better or water, but I thought that was kind of cool. And then I, yeah, I thought the whole being able to tell everything that's going on in your surroundings is pretty dope. I'm pretty sure the air vendors did that as well in last air vendor, but that was like more of like a flashback they can tell like
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Air current like what was going on, but I'm not I'm not meditating for that long and learn how to do that The only reason I think the airbenders got the ups on all of y'all though Is because they don't need anything like the water people need water from somewhere You need metal and earth from somewhere and ideally you have like earth because you know, we're on it All the elements are always present sir a sapphire
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Fire is always there. I mean, they can just make it. You got to make it. You don't got to make the earth. The earth is there. I mean, you got to like do your pose or whatever. I have a question for you guys for the legend of Quora. How did you feel about the love
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angles that were in that versus in Last Airbender. And granted, they got real messy, very messy, very quickly in Legend of Korra. But I felt more comfortable seeing that versus in Last Airbender, I'm like, yo, you're 12 and 13, like this is kind of weird. Versus these guys are kind of older, at least we know they have the ability to
Romantic Relationships in Avatar Series
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drive. So assuming they're in the US, they're at least 16.
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Yeah, I will say I agree. I didn't really think that in the avatars in the original, like the romances, but one, they were just a lot more like dialed down. They weren't as prominent. So when they were there, it was soccer was trying to bang the earth, the earth vendors immediately. He said, Oh, you put hands on me, put hands on me somewhere else. But like,
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But you have to acknowledge that the relationship dynamics were significantly higher in Korra. I mean, but I was gonna say that I did, you know, sometimes the Aang Katara romances, because that just didn't sell as well to me. Like, I actually like the idea of Katara being with Zuko. Yeah, I thought they made me
00:24:58
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I thought they made more sense. I mean, they had more chemistry to me than Aang and then Aang and Katara, but I also feel like that should say something about if Zuko has more chemistry with Katara than Aang and they didn't have that much chemistry. I mean, it just really wasn't a prominent feature. You ain't got the avatar in them. That's what it is.
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To be honest, to Alex's point, I think that Juko and Katara did have a lot of chemistry. And if Juko didn't fuck up in Ba Sing Se, then they probably would have ended up together. Because they were really bonding over that whole, my mom died from the Fire Nation. Oh, my mom did too, type of thing. So there was definitely room there. Definitely. The trauma bond is crazy. Yes. Yes. Relationships were made off of less. Which made me think about Asami, because I was like, yo,
00:25:53
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She sacrificed everything for old boy. And then he was just like, Cora. That made me feel bad. She gave up literally everything. And then Mako was just like, I want Cora. I have a hard time following Cora's relationships because I wouldn't want to be with a bitch.
00:26:19
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I really would like to say, I level with Aang because he was a pacifist and all this other stuff. But he was a generally nice person. Cora, I wouldn't want to sit down and have a drink with you. I'd probably want to hit you in your face. You're an asshole. She's mean. She's a terrible person, just generally. She's not a good friend.
00:26:41
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She is just not a good friend and she's kind of selfish and she's hot headed. They take her quirks too far. There's nothing wrong with having character flaws. I like character flaws. Character flaws make a character way more interesting.
00:26:57
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her flaws, they just took it to a place where she's, she's like, marginally likable. Like, I don't even really she doesn't have a lot of redeeming qualities. And then they do the, you know, the unthinkable man, but making her it's almost like they felt like, well, she's hotheads, we need to humble her. So then they humble her. And then that ends up making her look so weak. But yet she's really strong. And I think that undermines her story a little bit, which sucks. She didn't need to be undermined, like,
00:27:24
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They make her I think they make her very strong. I know that other people may disagree. I think they make her very strong. I mean, my sis turns into a giant like Godzilla like creature at some point when she, you know, bonds with demon kite or in an angel kite in halfway through the show. And so she has
00:27:42
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some, she definitely is strong, but like they they just undermine like they just, they don't go about it the best way. And it just leaves her strips down to this character that probably could be described in a sentence, which just isn't. That's just so under baked. So how would you, if you held the pen, and you can do whatever you want with the with the series, how would you have written here to be stronger?
00:28:13
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That's a really good question. I just want her to be, I think if all they did was made her more self-aware and then made her earn some of her wins a little bit more or they made her earn, they made her eat her losses, but like her wins, they, I don't know, they cheapen it a little bit. So I guess I think if she was a little bit more self-aware, like she did a lot more reflecting on her own
00:28:40
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she can have a she can you know anytime she might have done something rude or mean she doesn't usually do a lot of like man I blah blah blah she tends to turn around and say like well he was acting or she was doing or this happened like a lot of externalizing if all they did was just make that one simple switch and have her apologize more maybe or have like
00:29:02
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guilt, remorse, or regret a little bit more often, and not because she lost a battle, but because of something that she did to a friend. I mean, just to be more considerate at times. I don't know. Because the way she's written was to show the other side of having a sheltered upbringing. Because Ang had a sheltered upbringing, but then we didn't see him get to that teenage life.
00:29:30
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but she lived sheltered for longer than he did. And now she's coming into this world and she doesn't really have the social skills and whatnot. Do you think that was like kind of a thought process?
00:29:42
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Probably they just have her just too cocky like to they have that ratcheted up too high and then make her Make her have to be humbled too fat too hard And then that just takes that just under then you almost root for her to get hurt and that's not really what you want to do When you're watching a show like you don't want her to lose But sometimes the way that she treated Mako. I'm like, well, they deserve each other because Mako sucks Good brother Devolin Makos was
00:30:12
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Except for taking his shorty. Except for taking his shorty. Remember that man was in the factory just sweating to get money to help his brother cover the rent. And then he gave him his favorite dumpling so he didn't eat. But you know the only reason they did that was so that he could just like have his like hot boy scene. You know like that's it. See I wasn't thinking about that. I wasn't thinking about that. I was just thinking about this man being a good brother.
00:30:34
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I mean, he was a good brother, but honestly, Bolin didn't, he could have done without that. Like they didn't even have like that. I felt like Sokka and Katara were a better just sibling. They were able to show sibling love better than Bolin and Mako did. Yeah, I won't repeat that. I can't repeat that. I think it's tough. I think it's not like, I agree. I think Cora was just like,
00:31:06
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I think the thing I probably would have changed was she wouldn't have been the cause, I think outside of the, actually kind of, no, not really. She's kind of the cause of all of the drama in the show versus in Last Airbender, Aang wasn't like the principal cause of most of the issues.
Character Growth and Spirit World Dynamics
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He was going through the actually remedy things that were happening that were ongoing. So like, or I guess you can argue that he's the ultimate cause cause if he didn't go away, then Fire Nation wouldn't be blah, blah, blah, blah. But I'm talking about like in the immediate timeline,
00:31:36
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Like even in like the last book, when the Earth Kingdom is trying to do their whole rebel, it was all because of everything that happened with Korra opening the spirit gates and then leaving all this, the spirit trees and the vines and roots and shit. Like she was the root cause of literally all the issues in the show. I would have made it so that she was going back because you could have written the whole tar lock and almond, almond part stuff like
00:32:02
Speaker
that could have been ongoing and happening. And then she came in to try to stop it as opposed to her like feeding into it by aiding them coming into power and whatnot. Yeah.
00:32:13
Speaker
I think the one thing that the writers did that just made the show completely, it made Core look even more like a dingbat than it needed to is just how they destroyed the concept of the spirit world. If they just had simply, they took a very Eastern spirituality and Eastern rooted culture and then made it about, made it
00:32:37
Speaker
They maricified it and turned it into this westernized good versus evil battle. And then that just cheapened the entire spirit world. It is not a good versus evil battle. There was no evil
00:32:53
Speaker
Vaatu and good Rava and whatever. It didn't have that dynamic and made all bad things about evil and good things about pure goodness. And then there was no nuance anymore for who's on the right side. And one thing I really loved about the original show was that when Aang would fight the spirits, there was ambiguity in that. The spirit that was ravaging the village and kind of kidnapping people,
00:33:22
Speaker
he just was upset that the forest had completely burned down because of human involvement. And he was doing bad things because he was retaliating and trying to protect his land that was destroyed. And he wasn't inherently good or evil. He was just
00:33:38
Speaker
spirit protector of the world and he needed the resolution wasn't about frickin bending spirit bending away your evil because the evil got you it was about finding you know resolving your it was about peacemaking which is quite literally what the avatar is the who's that's the role yeah and so like you just made Cora basically like now Cora is like the representative of goodness
00:34:06
Speaker
and now she's going around like I don't know now she's it just makes her so much more hollow than like what everything else is but like she doesn't even have to understand she just has to oh I'm just gonna wave my arms around and I'm just gonna suck out the evil out of you doesn't even have to figure out what your motives are she doesn't have to care like it doesn't matter like that's not the point now I can just wipe away your evil vatuism
00:34:31
Speaker
with my spirit hands. And it's not even that believable because you're not even very spiritual as a human. And you also just cut off all your connections to the spirit, to the Avatar state anyway. So that was great. She just, it just, that whole thing pissed me off the most. If any part of the show, that and then that stupid,
00:34:59
Speaker
Godzilla like battle that they had where she turned into giant like Statue of Liberty Korra and had to fight the other demon kite possessed guy. That fight was just a mess. I don't know what they were thinking. I have a question for you. Oh, boy. It's not crazy. It's not crazy. Okay. I think we we we we are all in agreement with everything that Alex said. But as she was speaking, I started thinking with everything that
00:35:29
Speaker
you said in mind. Do you think a big part of Korra's flaw or character flaw, like her being arrogant and cocky and whatnot happens to be that the only avatar that the world has seen up until that point was Aang. So now they're assuming she's going to be as strong as Aang without knowing the amount of training and
00:35:54
Speaker
like all of the other, like his adventures, everything he had to do to get to the state that he was in.
00:36:00
Speaker
they just automatically assume that she should be there. Because she does start off OP. Yeah, with like three bending styles at least. Yeah. So like, in my opinion, Cora is a failed Kyoshi, is how I have always viewed her. Because Kyoshi was like that headstrong, like probably kind of bitchy, but she could back that shit up. And like, she was so strong that there was no debating about like when she told you to do something, like you do it or you get mocked.
00:36:28
Speaker
And I was kind of hoping that you would get that from from Cora and and you didn't she was she was like she was headstrong, but like not enough to back it up. So like it. Yeah, it was it was very imbalanced for me. And she got Cora got more times. Not more times all the time, continuously.
00:36:48
Speaker
And I think that a big difference between Cora and Aang is their upbringing. Like, I blame Cora's parents because they kind of allow her to be like a brat. And she kept that going into her teenage years, into her young adolescence. Whereas like Aang got humbled as a child many times. Like he got out of the iceberg, found out that everybody you know and loves died, gives ass beat continuously.
00:37:16
Speaker
Like Cora, in the meantime, was like being sheltered, like being put on a pedestal, acting like she was like the greatest because of Aang's feats, I think, in my opinion, at least. And so like when I see her, I don't think that she's necessarily earned that attitude. So I hate her. That's disgusting. I hate her. I hate her's crazy leap. I don't hate her, but I'm not pleased with her. Strong disliking. Really? Yes. Oh, man.
00:37:46
Speaker
She's just really hard to like. I mean, ultimately, she's just really like, you know, and I'm trying to be balanced so that the show is not just like, you know, let's shit on Cora. Like I said, I think she's very strong. I think she's strong. And I don't know why they have her get wiped so often, but she's pretty strong. And there are times where she can be
00:38:08
Speaker
It's hard for me to even say she's charming, but there are times where I feel like she can be, she's better. She's not consistently horrible the whole time, but it's pretty, that's a- Horrible, I think her peak horribleness is like, what would you remember? Yeah, yeah. Like seeing Mako and then being like, oh yeah, I lost my memory and then got it back, but never said anything. And she knows that she's doing all of this in front of Wasami, who at the end becomes her best friend and spirit world partner.
00:38:38
Speaker
I mean, hold on, hold on. To play devil's advocate though, Aang was fairly equally shitty. Aang got the coordinates for Katara and Sokka's dad when he was on the ship and they hadn't seen this nigga in years. I'm a dad. And he didn't, he tried to keep that shit from him. So like Aang is a fuck up too. That's all I'm gonna say. Aang is 12 and Aang, because of his
00:39:01
Speaker
his whole situation, Iceberg Boy, realizes that there are some things that are more important, like the mission. Now, he wasn't trying, he was trying to get cheeks. He wasn't trying, there wasn't no mission. He was trying to get something. I don't think he would know what to do with the cheeks when he was 12. Probably not just blow air on him or something. I'm gonna stop. Not the air bongos. Okay, okay. All right, so it seems like it's kind of unanimous that
00:39:30
Speaker
Last Airbender is just heralded as a classic and we love it here. And Cora, you did your best and we can't be mad at you for that. You just got mocked too many times. And I will just say also this, I do know a lot of people that really love Cora. Where are they? Where are these people? Where do they reside? I don't know, but I've been just as baffled as you. I'm doing a Twitter box. Twitter box, probably. I actually had a conversation very recently with someone who
00:39:58
Speaker
really loved Cora. They loved the music. They liked the romance aspects of it. They thought that that made it interesting and added a different flair. They liked the mental health spin that they kind of tied to it with having her recover from really something incredibly traumatic because they definitely didn't emphasize that in the original show. And they also just liked that time period. I think they said that they liked the
00:40:29
Speaker
What was the, do the thing, do the thing Julie or Jolie, the, what was that guy's name? The person who, the person who, that basically just that old tiny kind of like a spin where they were doing the old films when Bolin was at the job. I know you're talking about the, yeah, he's, cause he also was like working with the Sami, he bought like half her company and all that shit. Yeah. And he was married to Shorty at the end.
00:40:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I've just heard that they just liked that piece of it. They thought that that was nice. So and and the animation, they really love the animation. They thought the animation was actually a step above the original, which would make sense given the time. I would say, all right, before we before we transition to last airbender, the live action, something that I would like you guys to take on this, something that came up in the conversation about
00:41:28
Speaker
the Quora versus Aang. Someone said that if last, one of my friends mentioned, if we saw last Airbender second, like if Quora came out first essentially, we would have appreciated it more. Do you agree with that? I guess in terms of the only way it would really work if Quora came out first is if we did Quora as the original series and then last Airbender is kind of a prequel.
00:41:57
Speaker
that comes out later, because then, I mean, that actually kind of works in so many of the main characters from Last Airbender are still like pretty prominent figures in the first, in Korra, but just curious about if that would change your stance on Korra for you guys. No. No.
00:42:17
Speaker
Maybe until I saw Aang, because I do want to echo Alex's point that Aang, one thing that he did really well was be the avatar, in touch with the spirit world, making sure shit is copacetic. And she didn't really do that. So I feel like I was missing something watching Korra first, because I'm not getting that spiritual aspect of things. And then I see Aang doing this shit. And I'm like, oh, where was it? But you saw more, at least I don't know.
00:42:47
Speaker
This might be an exaggeration. I thought I'd learn more about airbenders in Quora than I did in last airbender. And by virtue of that, I would understand that Quora not being an air nomad as her first, like original air nomad affected her spirituality. Because it's clear in Quora that all the air nomads are closer in spirit. And that plays a big impact. Yeah.
00:43:17
Speaker
that's something I would think about. It kind of like sets a little bit of the foundation for which nation gets the avatar.
00:43:26
Speaker
Yes, but no, in my opinion. Because yes, the air nomads are more spiritual, but they don't have a monopoly on spiritualism. I wrote, been to the spirit world. A lot of other niggas have been to the spirit world. Even Sokka's girlfriend was clearly, at least in communication with the moon spirit, which is how she got some of that life force. Well, sir, the moon spirit gave her her life. Don't do that. I'm just saying the spiritualism is there.
00:43:52
Speaker
Um, for sure. But I think I agree with you. I see what you're saying is that it's not a monopoly on it. But I do think in the, in Quora, you saw how important it was, like how the Air Nomads prioritize that even when they got their powers after the whole spiritual release and everything, like the first thing that Aang's son has them do is like meditate and try to like, become in tune with their spirit. And it was like an everyday practice, even when Quora first goes to him, same thing before she starts training to go through the
00:44:20
Speaker
the whole wooden plank thing, he wanted her to meditate and become, you just see it's more of a priority. But I mean, in fairness, they are monks. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. That's their religion, their lifestyle, literally. All I'm saying, if Quora was born a monk, maybe she might have been more spiritual and might have been able to do more. But then again, maybe she might not have learned any other, like she wouldn't have had three bending styles off of her.
00:44:43
Speaker
I mean, if she was a monk, she wouldn't be such a bitch. I was about to say that. My job. My job. Oh, okay. I have a question I posed to you guys before and I said we're going to save it for the podcast before. I know I said I'm slowing down this transition to the live action recap. Do you guys ever harp on the fact that the Avatar is the only one that can master
00:45:12
Speaker
the four elements, like do I need to master all four elements? Like if I could just use a little bit of all four elements, I think I'll still be pretty formidable. But we don't ever see that concept. So they kind of make it look as though mastery means like each nation is exclusively limited to their particular bending type. I know that's not kind of my con, but then why say master based off the way you demonstrate it?
00:45:38
Speaker
Like wasn't it master because he's the only like he needs I don't know because I wonder because to be honest with you I feel like I mean they always so in the show they talk about how They learn you can learn techniques from other
00:45:57
Speaker
the other nations to then apply to the way that you bend and your with your native ability.
Live-action Adaptations: Hits and Misses
00:46:04
Speaker
Because I think Iroh actually talked about learning things like that from from the from being in the embossing say he learned a lot about he enhanced his
00:46:16
Speaker
And I think he gained lightning, right? And he gained like. That's what he was teaching Zuko, right? Yeah, yeah. So I feel like I mean, I don't know if I guess if there was a person that could be. I think Ira would have been the closest one that probably I wouldn't be surprised if his behind could. Earthbed I would I wouldn't be surprised to throw a little rock here and there. Like it's yeah, I just thought it was interesting.
00:46:45
Speaker
Like I, maybe it's the lawyer in me. I was like, hmm, master. So you mean I can learn it. I just can't master it. And I also thought like earthbending, like lava bending is not that different than firebending. Well, it's different firebending. Let me not say that, but like, I feel like once you learn the properties of heat, you might be able to learn how to firebend.
00:47:04
Speaker
I thought the same thing I thought lava mending felt suspiciously like fire mending I felt like because he had the I think his proclivity to do Lava bending was because he had the genetic combo of like his brother could do fire. He could do earth. I feel like there was some Bleeding over in something they inherited that let him do that Yes, I was gonna say because I don't think that fire necessarily translates to like the substance of like an actual regular fire and like magma lava very
00:47:34
Speaker
So if you think about lifting or moving fire versus how an earthbender moves, their styles are very different. The earthbenders have really hard and muscle-bound movements, whereas the firebenders are more kind of jabby with how they move and stuff like this. So yeah, I don't know. I agree with that. I agree with that. I think that makes a little sense.
00:48:01
Speaker
So let's talk about this live action. Let's talk about Alex. I'm gonna put you on the spot.
00:48:09
Speaker
You already heard, I take criticism with the very first four seconds of the show showing Aang flying. I have no idea why they did that mess because they had him fly and then about a couple of minutes later in the episode, maybe 20 minutes later, they had my man falling out the sky without his glider. I'm like, so are you going to fly? Do you fly or do you not fly without your glider? Either establish it in world or don't. You can't be in the middle.
00:48:33
Speaker
But I probably have a hot take because even though I think that the live action is not as good at all as the original show, I don't think it was that bad. I think it did what it was supposed to do.
00:48:47
Speaker
I think that the only thing that it did that I really strongly disliked besides the flying piece, because I just think they did that to show off the effects, and I think that that had world level consequences, so I don't know why there was a better way to do that.
00:49:03
Speaker
I don't like how they snap in favor or in support of being so plot driven or getting from A to Z. I felt like they stripped out the shows, kind of like the spirit and liveliness of the gang. They had to take that out because every conversation they had had to be about
00:49:28
Speaker
about business. They couldn't really talk about penguin sledding. That's not going to happen. They're not going to have fun. They're not going to have time or fun for antics. I think that that took something away from Aang. I still think actor who played Aang did as well as he could do with what he was given. He still had some joy and some youthfulness in him, but he
00:49:48
Speaker
he wasn't Aang, but like none of them really were all the way them. Like Sokka wasn't really Sokka all the way, but he was a fine character for who he was, but he wasn't Sokka the way that we think of. And same with Katara. Katara was like Katara Light. Like she wasn't as fiery or as passionate or as, she just had, they had to take that even maternal, they had to kind of take her down a little bit too. And I think that that was a little disappointing how they did a lot of that stuff.
00:50:16
Speaker
So there was definitely some trade offs that weren't as good, but I think that they did what they could with what they had. And I wasn't mad at it. Hi, how are you going? I don't know what to expect going into live action, so I usually try to like go in expecting some foolishness. I wasn't as disappointed as I thought I was going to be, if that makes sense.
00:50:46
Speaker
Um, so to that point, there's definitely some things I would change. You definitely don't get as much of the, of the characters. Like I, I personally liked soccer's like shitty comments and his like jokes, like his dad and stuff. And I don't think we get as much of those. And I liked that. Cause we got to see like the bond, the family bond that they had. Um, but.
00:51:08
Speaker
And also, I don't know who this nigga is, but King Boomi was supposed to have muscles. He was supposed to be the most brolic old nigga we have ever seen. And he didn't. I was kind of disappointed. Yeah, Boomi was a disappointment altogether. Boomi, it was not even a night. Like, Boomi in the original show was just like clowning with Aang. And this one, he was trying to show him that life sucks. Boomi was like actually maniacal, but like a friendly maniacal.
00:51:34
Speaker
Like in the in the in the in the Nickelodeon show, he like not he locked him into the candy crystals and he was like torturing Aang, but he had no intention of ever actually like harming Katara and Sokka. He was just trying to like get some sense of urgency. And there I believe he's one of my favorites. And I don't think I got like the parts of him that I liked from the live action at all. OK, OK.
00:52:00
Speaker
I won't belabor the point. I agree with both of you guys. I thought the only thing I will say, which I'm not sure why, but I think the live action did a really good job. I mean, it kind of mimicked the first episode at least mimicked the animated, but like I thought from the live action, I really got the gravity of like, Aang being a child. Like as soon as he saw the other kids playing it, he just wanted to play with them. And also it framed it
00:52:29
Speaker
reframed for me, instead of him running away from his responsibilities as an airbender, he was running, not running away, but he was literally trying to cool off because he was so upset and he felt like so chained up. I thought that was like a little nuance, a little bit of nuance that I appreciated. But yeah, to you guys's point, I thought it was good to do what it was supposed to do. I look at it kind of like one piece where it's more so to get you to become part of the lore and part of the world.
00:52:59
Speaker
And it's not a bad intro to the world. And if you decide based off seeing the live action that you want to go back and watch the full series, then you're probably in for a great treat. Amen. I didn't like that.
00:53:15
Speaker
I mean a Korra that Katara was able to get like they didn't really do the best job showing her how she became a master. Like the change they made there was a little bit bothersome to me because I think in the original show she actually did learn from the master at the northern air temple and she got to learn some techniques from him.
00:53:37
Speaker
They just want to give her her title and her accolades like they needed to because she was a girl. But in this show, they didn't even teach her anything. And then all of a sudden, she just had hands like I don't know that felt that felt a little bit weird to me. Like she got really good, really fast, like off screen, I guess I would have I would have enjoyed the I liked the original way that they.
00:53:59
Speaker
did that than they did in the show. I also liked this Zuko. I thought this Zuko did a good job. I think he was the standout in the live action. The Zuko did a good job. He didn't really look a lot like Zuko the way I envisioned him, but he acted like Zuko. He had a little sass to him. I liked it. A little sass. I have a question. How do we feel about Iroh, the character that played him?
00:54:24
Speaker
I didn't like him that much. I wasn't drawn to him. I was more drawn to Zuko, like Alex mentioned. He didn't stand out, which is disappointing because Ira kind of stole the show and the original. Yes, he was the greatest. Ira was the reason why I started drinking tea.
00:54:40
Speaker
I feel like that I will okay this was I did not like the casting of Azula. Azula is the character I probably took the most like issue with like as a character holistically like I don't know why like Azula especially up to that point is supposed to be buttoned up prim and proper like almost like the reason she the reason it works so well towards the end that she loses her shit is because she had it her shit so
00:55:09
Speaker
creepily tightly tightly knit, like you would have never seen a hair out of place. You wouldn't have seen her even just remotely bend, break, react. She was almost just had this cool, cold calculatedness about her. And in this show, she was just kind of like, they had her on the defense or on the defense more than I would have wanted for for the show. I know that they were trying to take a different spin on it to show her that her dad was like manipulating and gaslighting her. And I don't mind that they had that in there. But I feel like they should have had her
00:55:40
Speaker
play chess not checkers a little bit more than they did. She didn't come off as menacing. Yeah, because I know that her dad was gaslighting her and stuff, but Azula was evil through and through. In the animated show, I don't remember a time when she was really on the defensive, even if she was actually on the defensive. It didn't ever feel like it.
00:56:07
Speaker
She was always a problem, always attacking. She was a monster out here. Yeah, she was like two steps ahead of everybody. And that's what didn't come through here.
00:56:18
Speaker
had some plotting, but it just felt like she was desperate. There was a desperation in her in the in this in the live action that just wasn't like she wasn't my sis wasn't thirsty and desperate, like at least not at the beginning. She got that way towards the end when she felt like she was losing control. And she was like, she's like grasping at grasping for any like semblance of control. But they were showing her kind of losing it a little bit even now. And I don't know. I know that cheapened her to me.
00:56:49
Speaker
I don't like the casting. For some characters, for me, the casting is especially important. I'm sorry, but her face was a little bit rounded than Azula's was. Something about Azula's counter-pointy face made her more menacing and made me more afraid of her. I don't think that she... Just casting-wise, outside of the acting, I don't think that that person captured that in that way that I would have liked to.
00:57:18
Speaker
Yeah, I would agree. She definitely did not look the way I envisioned Azula looking. She also looked younger than I think I would have expected her to look for in the show. Like you know that it's his younger sister, but something about her doesn't look young. Like she looked mature. She looked like she could whoop your ass. And she didn't. So I don't know that that was a bit that was definitely
00:57:47
Speaker
a little bit underwhelming, too. What else? I was happy to see that my cabbage is due, though. I don't know why, but I like that little spritz they put in there all the time. Yeah, me too. The cabbage guy was there. What did you think about Momo? Momo was... I mean, he was OK. I wasn't super pleased, to be honest with you. He looked all right.
00:58:16
Speaker
What did you want him to look like? I don't know. He looks like a rodent. Yes. I was trying to find a nice way to say it because Momo don't hurt nobody. He just steal your food. But I mean, he looked like a rodent to me. I wouldn't want to see Momo in the zoo or on the street. He looks like a big-ass squirrel rat.
00:58:39
Speaker
Like, I don't know what else to call him with wings. He looked like he looks like one of those gremlins from the movie back in the 90s, but with wings and a little bit. Yeah, I think he looks like a flying squirrel. And his eyes are fucking with me. I'm sorry. They big as shit. I don't know what that's what they like big and glossy. So every time I look at him, that's the only thing I can focus on. I don't like it. You like okay.
00:59:07
Speaker
Okay. Okay. Well, let's talk about things you do like. And I know you like solo leveling. Oh, this is a dangerous, uh, solo leveling. Talk to us about solo leveling. We're at the time of recording, we're going into what should be the season finale. Well, first of all, this is, I really, solo leveling has been off to a phenomenal start and it's shaping up to be definitely like high on my list of favorites.
00:59:33
Speaker
I've already read the manga and it's just dope. It's just it's dope start to finish but the animation is crazy and last week we had the fight with Iggress and Sang Jin Woo and
00:59:45
Speaker
He got that dog in him. The combo. After a while, I was watching TikToks of the show, but only of that part in people's reactions. Because very seldom do you get a mean ass combo like that in anything.
01:00:05
Speaker
Oh my god, that's that's one. If you play a Mortal Kombat and somebody hits you with that combo, you log out, you turn off your PlayStation and you do for the next couple hours while you de-stress from that ass whooping you just got. It's just it's such a great show and I think that there's a decent amount of depth and realism to Sung Jin Woo like
01:00:28
Speaker
And I'm really just excited to see how, without going into too much detail, how the rest of the story develops and how the animation goes with it. Because, ooh. How about you, Alex?
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm right there with you. I think so. I have, at this point I have gotten spoilers, so I didn't intend for that to happen, but I do know more than I should know at this point, uh, for what happens. But, so I'm not going to comment on that, but I will say what I, my favorite part of the show right now is like, I love, I really appreciate the.
01:01:06
Speaker
the dynamic like the movement in the show like they do such clean fluid movements like the camp the panning and the camera work to follow them around like that the the anime it creates a different type of
01:01:20
Speaker
fight that just looks entirely different than other fights out there. It just makes it more fun. It reminds me of the first time we ever saw an attack on Titan where they used the ODM gear and they show the way that they move and navigate through the scene with that in a 3D kind of looking world.
01:01:39
Speaker
That's how I feel watching solo leveling with some of the way that they move and move through the fight Like it's just it's it's so clean like it's just nice. It's fun. It makes it different So it's not got the most crisp animation in the whole wide world But it's got such good clean movement that it's still fun and feels new and fresh There's the there's the ground move when people walk in it. I haven't looked but I remember you told us that that was something you check for and
01:02:06
Speaker
It does. It's not as clean. But like, that's because they move so fast, like the camera just moves stupid fast.
Anime Highlights: Animation and Storytelling
01:02:12
Speaker
So, you know, the walking like when, you know, when General goes on his little runs, his little feet don't stay in the one spot in the frame, they kind of float, kind of slide a little bit like, you know, so many others do. But not everybody can be mutable. Hey, that's fair. Speaking of him of doing his runs,
01:02:30
Speaker
That was something like this is one of the shows where I started thinking about where I care about kind of the little details, especially because you just don't know where he's going to learn a skill from or, or how he's going to develop. And I was thinking about how after the fight with egress, when he went in, at least at the end of the episode, it's nighttime. And he didn't do his daily quest, like his daily, whatever he's supposed to do.
01:02:55
Speaker
So I'm like, is he gonna, what is he, what's gonna happen when he comes back? Like, is he gonna be having to go to fight another demon or that sand monster? No time to recover? Oh, you know Kawhi, you already know. But that's what I was thinking of. Yeah, I love it. I think it's dope. I love the, we were joking about this, but like, whether or not it's actually power scaling, but I consider it power scaling. How Sungjin Woo like knows that
01:03:21
Speaker
hey, I beat the Severus by pure luck. I'm not going into the castle. I'm leaving and I'm going to come back. To me, that's power scaling, you understand, right? Or after he fought that B rank hunter and the one that had the stealth skill that was actually secretly a murderer, and then he sees the guy's partner outside and he's like, yeah, he's leagues above me. Like, no. And he knows that you can't take him. I think that's pretty dope. Yeah.
01:03:49
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think he should have been able to beat the knight. I think that he shouldn't have been able to beat the knight. I think that that was too cheap. He needed to take an L, but I didn't want him to die. I wanted him to lose, but I knew the moment that he was sitting in the throne and the knight was approaching him to take his final blow that he was going to be the king.
01:04:13
Speaker
like a shadow for shadow we love much and he even hit the eyes and pose in the chair so like that we just knew it was just like yeah you're gonna win even though you don't you don't this is unearned as hell but you gonna win yeah the thing is I'm like just scared to know what happens if he dies so I want him to win I would thought it was I thought it was an interesting way of him
01:04:36
Speaker
like getting the win. I mean, it's cheap if you look at it from that aspect. It's the same way he beat the Severus. He went for the only weak point, the eye, and like kept stabbing it repeatedly. But I also remember that he was like at a severe handicap going into that fight because he couldn't use the full recovery or anything. And he had to wait outside for his stamina to go back down.
01:04:59
Speaker
like he was like at a disadvantage on top like a disadvantage health wise on top of being at a disadvantage skill wise I just thought it was hilarious where he was like um because you could still use his buffs and he's like yeah we're on par in speed and he's better than me in skill so he used the up to speed buff well he used the buff to up his speed and he was in egress was still with them the whole time and I was like are you faster than him or not what is it sir
01:05:25
Speaker
He said comparable or close comparable or something. Yeah, it was when he put his sword, like when when Jin Woo was like, I'm just going to use my hands. And then he was like, me too. Oh, my God. He said that my guy, he said, this is going to be fun. Drop watch every watch tonight. Actually, that was that that was that gave me chills. That was that was awesome. That was just this is a built different show.
01:05:53
Speaker
Yeah, I really love that. But I also kind of wanted to talk about, not to, you know, cause we can come back and talk about solo leveling too, but I've been really loving Shangri-La. I love that show. It is so fun to me. Like I haven't had that much.
01:06:08
Speaker
I haven't had that much fun watching a show in a really long time. The stakes are so low. My guy is just a gamer in this world. It's just fun. When he made it through the level, he advanced and everything was fine. His little goofy self was like, I'm just going to set my respawn point right here.
01:06:30
Speaker
And I'll go back and I'm going to catch, you know, I want to see what's upstairs and like mess around with these, with that enemy and pick a fight. I can't win, but I just want to see what's up there. I was like, yes, because you're a gamer. Like that is the most gamer thing to do. I loved that because it was just for the fun of it. He's like, what's the fun? And not in in in just like mopping everybody every time. Like I want to actually like, you know, explore. And I just love that. I love the essence of his adventure. Just a fun show. What a fun show.
01:06:59
Speaker
Yeah, I like that they make it so that you, well, for me, like the first couple of episodes, it was easy for me to forget that he could die and be okay. Seeing main characters in TV shows, they just don't die. So wrapping my head around that concept in such a fun way was kind of what got me hooked so much to it.
01:07:18
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I love that. Like when he can just be like, well, I could just die and respawn over here. It's fine. I don't like dying. That's not my goal. But I mean, if I'm gonna die, I might as well like, you know, get something out of it. I just love it. I just love that as a concept.
01:07:35
Speaker
And then the last moment and then that last moment we're like he's fighting the crystal scorpions and then he like tries to get something and he's so close to it and then That is that is video game 101. I tell you how many times with the monologue if you say thank you because you thought you got it already Pawns in the bed and he is livid. Oh my goodness
01:08:01
Speaker
It was crazy. That is real. That is real. I was going to say, I agree. I love how low Stacey is. It kind of reminds me a little bit of the Marvel universe when they were talking about when they brought Spider-Man in from Sony, the first movie with Tom Holland. They made it not the fate of the universe, not the fate of the world, just New York. Because when you cheapen the stakes or lower the stakes, you're allowed to have a little bit more fun with it. And that's what I think of every time I watch Shangri-La. And I was going to mention,
01:08:31
Speaker
Um, I liked it. They like, if he dies, nothing really happens, right? Nothing bad happens. And then they took that away from you temporarily with the fight with weatherman, because like, it's not that he dies that you're not afraid of him dying. You're afraid of him dying and not being able to respond in the fight.
01:08:49
Speaker
So I thought that was cool because then it like for the beginning year, it's like, Oh, yeah, cool. There's no actual real consequences you dying and then you get to the weatherman fight. You're like, wait, if you die more than six times, but you are done like you lose this and you guys emptied your bank accounts to do all this stuff. Like what's gonna happen? So I like that they took away that restriction for a little bit and then they gave it back to you because I forgot about that during the crystal scorpions thing. So when he like
01:09:13
Speaker
just laid down and respond. I said, oh, oh, he's fine. And then he kept going back. Yeah, it was, I agree. So, so fun. That also, that Weatherman fight also made me like really, really hopeful for what's to come in the show because like he got his sword. And if he has that sword, what is, who is, what is Rockaro going to do with it? Cause my God, Weatherman was giving them the business.
01:09:39
Speaker
Oh, I don't think he's gonna really I don't think he's suited for that scope for whether I'm on sword. So I don't think I think if he ends up being able to use it eventually, like, I guess, but I feel like that's just so antithesis to his fighting style. Like, I think that he likes the he likes being a freakin
01:09:56
Speaker
like a glass cannon, you know, agility warrior and like that kind of stand your ground, feet planted, one's powerful swing style is just like a one, a one hit kill kind of style. I just feel like that's not even his thing. Well, so I think I was thinking about it because like in the weatherman fight, like he had that like Nimbus cloud ability where he was like far away and he would like smack you with his hand that was made out of whatever the fuck that was.
01:10:22
Speaker
That was crazy to me. And then the whole lightning thing, like being able to control that. That's what I was thinking about. Like maybe if he like breaks the sword and cuts it into it, like it gets into daggers somehow, I could see him using it. But I definitely, I agree with you. I don't see him using it as a katana for sure. Yeah, I agree. And that's exactly what I was going to say. I was going to be like, I just see him using his move set or learning the skills and like helping him with stronger enemies or ranged attacks. Like the Nimbus fist for perfect example of like a ranged attack that you can see him using on the run.
01:10:51
Speaker
or like the area of effect, like you said with the lightning. Yeah. Yeah. And that clear sky conquest. I think like they have like such great names for anime attacks. And I pitched this for episode y'all. I did. I did. We got to do it one time. Because like, whether it's like a tactical set, like is insane. Thunderclap. I don't even want the Ash blizzard. The pyroclastic worm. What? It was crazy. Yeah. He did have good moves.
01:11:21
Speaker
undead on luck. They have wild names for attacks too and I love it. Yeah, that's not about I mean, I definitely like that show. It's a good one. It's unique. It's definitely not like your normal taste of shonen and I think it's very creative. I enjoy that show for sure. I think the only thing that kind of makes me a little confused is like, I still don't get how our main guy undead moves by like bleeding, like he propels himself through bleeding.
01:11:51
Speaker
I don't, I think they tried to explain it once. It was like, he like has the ability to contract his like blood vessels and stuff. So he pushes it, like he's forcing, he's shooting his blood out and he's constantly regenerating. So he's never going to run out of blood. Yeah. Yeah. It's like very fictional. They'll overdo it. Just keep it in the fantasy world. But I think it's kind of cool. Like seeing him just float in the air, just like off blood propulsion is kind of crazy.
01:12:19
Speaker
It just sometimes I've taken out because they talk so much about what rules in the world, like world rules. I definitely sometimes get taken out a little bit occasionally, but the show is really well done. It's a great show. It's different. I think it's not everyone. It's not going to be everyone's flavor, but I think it's a good. I mean, it's it's definitely a good well-written show. I'm interested to see how that whole apocalypse concept plays out with the book.
01:12:44
Speaker
And how something is at, because like the last thing that they, the last thing I remember them adding was like the galaxy UMA. And that was interesting too. Because like one, the fact that there wasn't a galaxy there to begin with, fucked with me. And then like for them to insert it as a punishment was also like a weird concept to think about and start wrapping my head around. So just how these punishments are like so tied to things that we consider normal is very, very, very interesting.
01:13:14
Speaker
You have to watch, when you get caught up, they have like one of them, like one of the rewards was like the language. Yeah. And they tie it back to something that happened. I don't want to ruin it for you, but like you should watch it. It's pretty cool when you get caught up. But that's also the part that confuses me about the show. Cause I don't know if I'm just missing things, but when they unified the languages to English, like the world language is to English and how it doesn't affect the, um, the ability users.
01:13:44
Speaker
But yet, but they seem like they can talk to people who aren't speaking Japanese, like they can speak in Japanese to the people who only unified in English. And they seem to understand them. But I don't know if they're just translating it in English or Japanese for the audience for their
01:14:07
Speaker
public or, but then they take the time to voice act in English sometimes too. So I just, I just be confused. Yeah. That's right. I can see that. I can see that. I just thought it was an interesting wrinkle for the whole, the, the dude with the G liner artifact. Cause then that's how they figured out that there were pieces missing in the manga. Cause like they received it and it was like, it's blank. And it thought somebody was, I forgot what his name is.
01:14:34
Speaker
Oh, you're not caught up. Sorry. That's what I was saying. I don't even know what you're talking about, but I don't know if it's because I just missed it there because I could. No, no, no, no. I forgot you're not caught up. You're not caught up. But it comes back. That's what I was saying. That's what I was referring to it coming back. They try to explain some of it. I agree with you. There are a lot of rules and I'm just like, I want the story. So I'm going to watch for the story and I kind of skip past some of the rules.
01:14:57
Speaker
Okay, Alex, I have a question for you and it's kind of a segue into something else. So like you mentioned how you don't like how undead flies. How do you feel about mashed flying?
01:15:12
Speaker
wow time I saw it I fell on the floor laughing that was so freaking funny that is that show the first time first of all the the intro of that song or the intro song has me just everything about hilarious to me
01:15:30
Speaker
Yeah. Love that. But yeah, when my man got on the, he put the stink in, when he put the broomstick between his legs and fluttered his little feet and was able to score all them goals, I was like, this is a go-to show. I knew it was destined for greatness.
01:15:54
Speaker
when Mashed then when he said like, I'm going to do all this with my fists. And when he named his pectorals like Mike and Mike, he just had me.
01:16:06
Speaker
I was like, y'all, y'all wild too much. Y'all are wilding in this animation booth. Y'all tripping. I love it. So fun. It has to be fun in there. When he suplexed my guy, he said, spine magic. That's what he did. He said, spine maw. He was like, oh my god. Bro, that shit crazy. That was nuts. Mash is a gem. That was a gem.
01:16:37
Speaker
Oh, it's awesome. Lucy, what else? Oh, come on, moonlit, fantasy. Talk to us. Are you feeling about its direction? So like, I've heard criticism that it's like, people don't necessarily know what's going on, to be honest, I don't need it. But I'm here for the rap.
01:16:56
Speaker
Do you think there's too many? Do you think it's it's kind of confusing people because of the amount of heroes that they have and they bounce around between who they're following? Because you don't really follow the main protagonist too much in this first in this second season. Like they bounce around a little bit.
01:17:11
Speaker
I mean, I don't think it's confusing for that reason. Because the only time that you really follow some of the ancillary characters is because they play some part in the story or understanding what this overall arc or concept is that's going on. Right now, they're in a magic school trying to figure out who's experimenting on people. And so some of the side quests, it seems like they do, are at least mildly related to the abductions of people.
01:17:37
Speaker
that are related to the experiments. So I like it. Plus, I love a good anime where the MC is overpowered, and he's broken. Imagine if a person walked around. OK, Rock Lee, for example. This nigga is the Rock Lee. If everybody had Taju 2, nope, there was no Ninja 2.
01:18:00
Speaker
There was one Rock Lee and just a bunch of regular people. He is the Rock Lee of this show. Like he, he walks around with the weights on, still whooping ass. And if he takes them off, you're getting the business. That's how Alex hate Rock Lee, right? Yeah, no, she don't like. Yeah, I'm sorry. I see what you mean, especially with the whole like he can solidify his mana now. Yes.
01:18:26
Speaker
For some reason, I find myself drawn to an anime where the main character, one, is building his own world and really just trying to take care of his people. His overarching goal isn't to save the universe or some other, because one of the problems that I have sometimes with shows is if I get superpowers,
01:18:44
Speaker
Like, it'll be hard for me not to rob a bank. I'm going to be honest with you. Like, you get these main characters that get super powered, and they're like, oh, I'm going to save everybody. Nigga, no. OK? Like, I'm going to rob you, your mammy, and your grandma. OK? So I don't know. I like this show because, like, one, it's a bit dark, but still, like, very bright and colorful. But he has, like, very dark moments.
01:19:09
Speaker
And it's just, I feel like it's a bit more realistic, because he's really just trying to take care of people. And it's, it's very close to the whole reincarnated as a slime type of storyline. And that's not in season right now. You know, I need something to get me through those cold, lonely nights. So here we are. Super Mitchie's movement fantasy is dope. Oh, man. I love it. I love it. And then
01:19:36
Speaker
The ninja Kamui? Kamui, I think. Kamui? Dope, dope. Start to, like I, I haven't seen, I don't know, it gives me like a very gritty semi cyberpunkish type of feel, but not necessarily cyberpunkish. Well, kind of, yeah. It's at least going in that direction. But I like how the, at least the human on human fights,
01:20:04
Speaker
are have been animated and how they they just they're just dope honestly like the level of action the intensity the tenacity of the characters and then like how the first episode plays out you immediately get like you feel some type of way very early about the story and the people that he has to fight so i i kind of like that and it's very simple it's just like i'm here for the blood and gore and uh and then we're gonna leave
01:20:33
Speaker
I haven't actually really watched that one. I think I've only seen the first scene because I saw a tick tock and it was just like it went crazy. And so I watched a few minutes, but I didn't have enough time to really go all the way in. But it did. It was cold in that first in that in that in that little clip. So I just got to take the time to watch it. But sometimes, you know, you don't have the bandwidth to actually like reread and, you know, reading it. So I don't know. But it's definitely definitely on my list.
01:21:03
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was cool like seeing another take on like the ninja lore, like them having secret techniques, them having like their own missions. And I think in it, they do the whole real world kind of comes in and infiltrates that like ninja set. So then now you have like the whole greed aspect of them wanting money so they can use the money to get technology. That's
Anime Viewing Habits and Trends
01:21:28
Speaker
how they get like their mech suits in the show and shit. I thought it was kind of cool.
01:21:34
Speaker
I thought it was kind of cool. And I'm like kind of those, one of those like people that I like the sayings that they have in some anime. So I was like, Oh, wow. Was it? Was it? She said cold as fire, hot as ice. Oh, yeah. I was like, Oh, that's kind of, that's kind of poetic. I don't like it on a pillow.
01:21:52
Speaker
Yeah. The first episode got me because they murdered his family. I was like, oh, okay. And then he went off. So seeing that level, seeing his response to what happened and how it was just very gritty. The way that they showed up at his house was very, very, very ninja. Cover of darkness. A thousand niggas we about to kill.
01:22:10
Speaker
And he didn't flinch. He did not flinch. At all. Or his wife, actually. And then to see that their faces that we know them as the first couple of episodes weren't actually theirs was also, I think, an interesting comment. It's something that took me for a loop, but I liked it. Mm-hmm. So dope, for sure. Are you caught up? Ish, I made me like an episode behind.
01:22:35
Speaker
Okay, you can't answer. I have a question, but I don't think you can speak on. The last thing I saw was him in the back of the truck. I don't wanna give the details, but like, who's about to come out? I know who you are. Yeah, okay, yeah. Okay, yeah, don't worry. Somebody about to get the business is all up, yes. The business was gone. I'm watching it tonight, I'm watching it. Okay, okay. Did I miss any? Oh, I mean, of course, One Piece. I know we're all, we're still watching. Everybody's still caught up.
01:23:07
Speaker
All right, so I messed around and started reading the manga again and I'm all caught up on the manga and shits about like it's so fucking gnarly my word my word and I'm just I can't I don't know how they're gonna do it and You see all these things about these animators being overworked and all this stuff They're not going home. I didn't I call home It's crazy
01:23:38
Speaker
Oh, man. Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait either, especially because we finally get to see the girls say in action, I have been waiting to see these niggas. I'm excited. I will say that I don't I don't like their powers, but we'll talk about that when we get there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get them to be different, I guess, or
01:24:04
Speaker
I agree. And I'm kind of confused as to whether or not they're devil-free users. Oh, so true. Interesting, interesting. All right. Did I miss any other anime that we're currently watching? Oh, Free Ring. Oh, I love it. I hated it at the beginning. And I was like, it's too slow. And my boy, shout out to my boy Scott. He was just like, I was in LA and he was chatting to me about anime. And he was like, ah, I know you always should try to get me on it. And I finally decided to watch it.
01:24:35
Speaker
Nah, he binges like his own thing. His roommate is like big into anime. So they have like weekends where I'm kind of jealous. They just like weekends together, like their roommate days, binging, popcorn on the couch and shit. And I was like, damn, it bite me. Anyway, he was the one that told me to give Freeman another shot. And I think it was around like
01:24:54
Speaker
So six or so I was like, Oh, oh, it's kind of like that whenever old boy joined the team. Yes. So like, there's a couple of anime that's like three was definitely one of the ones that surprised me. And in terms of like,
01:25:09
Speaker
some of the best moments in anime that we have this season, Freerin has at least two moments on that list for me. Specifically, it was the uppercut from the depths of hell itself. Like, I don't know if you're there yet in the show, but... I'm caught up. There's this character... Oh, so Dinkin, during the magic exam, the first phase of the... So there's this magic exam that they have, and at each part of the magic exam, there's three stages, and at each stage, it's like some impossible task.
01:25:39
Speaker
And so at the end of the first stage, most of them have completed this impossible task, but they're out of mana. And usually, like you see, you know, with magicians, they only use magic. But there's this old nigga who's just built different. Forward tough, I'm telling you. He runs out of mana, and he sees another group of mages, and with no hesitation, drops his cloak.
01:26:03
Speaker
take wand all of that and starts throwing hands and I will say that like um like we talk about solo leveling and the Iggress and um Sung Jin Woo fight and the combo that Iggress hit Sung Jin Woo with I think that one of the greatest um
01:26:22
Speaker
We got robbed, because I really wanted to see Dinkin actually connect that uppercut that he was throwing. And it stopped in the frame right before. And I just know it had to be something vicious. Vicious. He came out of that. He came out of that. The knee was bent. The arm was all the way. It was coming from the ankle, sir. It was textbook form. Oh my goodness. What was the other moment?
01:26:47
Speaker
Um, I seeing, um, seeing Stark fight for the first time, actually, when he fought that dragon, because he was, and then like understanding why Stark and his master fought. Um, so Stark is, uh, the new guy in free written circle. He's like their tank, basically, or their, uh, their fighter.
01:27:05
Speaker
The front line. Yeah, essentially. And he learned from one of Freeman's old companions, who was like the super strong dwarf, and they got into a fistfight. And it gets left there for a while. And we find out that Stark actually made his master afraid of him because they were like sparring or something. And he was about to give his master to business. So you get that bit of him, but you don't really believe it because he acts like a bitch the whole show until
01:27:29
Speaker
Like he actually goes through, he's like, all right, I'm not going to do this no more. I'm going to tough up. And then he starts fighting. And you're like, you know what? When he fought the demon, I was like, my god, you got heart. You got heart. And then, honestly, I was kind of pleasantly pleased. Because this is, I feel like 28 episodes is a pretty long season for anime. I was expecting it to stop at 24.
01:27:54
Speaker
I was kind of sad if it was going to, but then it didn't. So I was like, okay, I'm fucking with y'all. Cause y'all fucking with me. I'm with him. I'm with him. I'm on the free run train. We ride. We ride. I'm
Character Strengths Across Anime Series
01:28:10
Speaker
not mad at that, bro. I love that. Not this season, but I just finished it. Like as of last night, I finally watched the second season or second half of spy family. Cool.
01:28:24
Speaker
You can have built for it tough. Your is a fucking monster. And I love it. Like the whole, like, not even just her on the boat. I'm thinking about when Anya's friend says she had, she was drunk when she was trying to get with Lloyd.
01:28:41
Speaker
and she take her and she starts running to the hospital because she thought she had a cute alcohol poisoning and she gets hit by she throws her in the air because she sees the car is coming gets hit from the car bounces off the concrete jumps up grabs her and then keeps running in a full sprint that's insane
01:28:58
Speaker
Yeah, I had fun with this season. I think it had ebbs and flows though, because I definitely, there was a part, a period of the show where I was locked in, like watching it like religiously. And then I would find myself, I would catch myself not really being into it and like going weeks and weeks and weeks without watching anything. So it had ebbs and flows this season, but it was fun. The highs were high though. They were pretty good.
01:29:22
Speaker
I think yeah, I definitely benefited from watching it all in one fell swoop, because there were times where I was like, this is a little slow. And then the whole boat thing happened. And I was like, I'm locked in. But then after the boat, I was like, a little slow. But it was good. It was good. They did their thing. Her brother is also insane. I love him.
01:29:44
Speaker
I've been fucking with your so yes, I agree with you both. This show definitely does have ebbs and flows I think I've liked your since that first that first fight with Lloyd when they were Pretending and she was given. Yeah, it's been he was like, she's gonna kill me at this rate at the fireworks Yeah, cuz they were she was throwing hands and Lloyd was clearly overwhelmed like it was a parent. He was like, oh, yeah, this is
01:30:09
Speaker
hell. You probably give Cora hands too. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Cora. I'm actually I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm
01:30:41
Speaker
I won't say that there was one like Chief Blocker who was doing the Ang squad dirty though. Remember in the Zula squad, it was like the girl who was dating Zuko and then the girl like- Tylee. Yes, Tylee. Tylee was fucking them up for like the first three fights they had. She was giving them the business. I think Tylee is a low key. I think she's an airbender, airbender descendant in disguise. Yeah, I could see that for sure. I feel like her people were airbenders. She was a personal people for a team.
01:31:10
Speaker
Oh, man. Great. I love it here. All right, guys. Any anything else? Any final words for the people? Of course, trash solo leveling's last episode for this season is going to be one of the greatest anime moments in history. It is titled Arise. Oh, yes. I'm feeling you. I cannot wait. I am risen. Wow. Arise on on Easter weekend. How poetic.
01:31:39
Speaker
Ah, didn't even think it was fair. Fair. Fair. Oh, I didn't even catch that. That is poetic. But I cannot wait. Song Jin Woo really should have lost that fight, though. He should have. But I'm pretty sure that just set the groundwork for his attitude going forward and how he won't use his shadows continue. He won't only use his shadows. He'll actually get in there and fight himself because he got to stay sharp because he should have lost.
01:32:05
Speaker
Like, at least- Is he a rank A now, you think, after finding Yggdras? Is he better? I mean, Yggdras is- He was a tweener before, and Yggdras was definitely a red title for him. Yeah. He should be. Hey, and Alex, for the people, I need you to rank Rockly, Sayaman, and Clara. Sayaman played with me last time. Oh, no!
01:32:32
Speaker
That's our final segment. Alex, leave the people with something great. Does that have to be Sayaman or can I get like B.S. Gohan? You got to do both now that you mentioned it. Okay, well, B.S. Gohan is up in the lead, even though I don't really like him that much, but he's strong.
01:32:53
Speaker
Sam. Y'all can't see but Kwon got ear quotes on. Even though in the manga he mopped the floor with mastered Ultra Instinct Goku. Carry on. Okay, so we got, oh god, they're all so awful. Um, who do I, no. Alex been stressed y'all, y'all can't see this, but she is, she's going through it right now. Okay, I gotta put,
01:33:23
Speaker
I like say a man more than I like Cora. And then who's my third person? Rock Lee. Rock Lee. Oh, shit. Rock Lee. Do I like salmon or rock Lee better? I got to give say a man over rock Lee. I like so bees go on.
01:33:52
Speaker
say a man and then Rock Lee and then Cora. Not a bad list. I mean, this is as bad of a list as it gets. Yeah. Nobody's more disappointing than Rock Lee. Like there just is nobody more disappointing. At least say a man redeems.
01:34:10
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And he does. And Cora just never gets there for me. Cora just like ended the whole Avatar cycle for everybody. Like they can't be. She just started it all over and set the bar real low. And on that note,
01:34:32
Speaker
We thank you all. Oh no, hell no. Emerson, what about your takes? Uh-uh, you ain't about to slide out here like you think that. Uh-uh, we need to, we need, we need some shit from you, sir. Got it. All right, give me a question, sir. I'll answer it. Ah. Who do you think could be Say-A-Man in a fight? Not Cora. Damn. Y'all really think very highly of Say-A-Man for him to be beating anybody, but okay. I mean, the Del might be able to beat Say-A-Man.
01:35:01
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Probably. Isn't that his wife? He kind of got to go home to a happy home. You need to keep his ass home because he's useless. Bro, I saw something that was just like, if you watched all of Dragon Ball Z through super, you really understood, or through like, I guess superhero like the movie, you really understand that Gohan was in the field at like four.
01:35:28
Speaker
He deserves a break. He was stronger at four than he was. He was stronger from four to 12 than he was from 12 to 24 or whatever he is now. That shit doesn't make sense to me. He said, I'm tired of this shit. Where did Beast come from? Like, what? It was in there. It was in there the whole time. We haven't seen a monkey form forever. He's emotional. He unlocks it with his emotions.
01:36:00
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So I guess you do not like this take that apparently the, I'm not sure if it was RIP to Akira. I'm not sure if he said it in the interview, but one of the people that's like on the staff for Dragon Ball, we're saying that Gohan's new form is supposed to allude to him being on par with Broly or Broly because Broly's
01:36:29
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all of his power is tied to his emotions. And that's what Gohan was trying to suppress the whole time. And now that he's tapped into his beast form, he actually has like unlimited potential, which is why they had him. Spoiler alert, I said it already anyway. Beat Goku at Master Ultra Instinct Form. Yes, but like. So Beast Gohan about to peace up Broly. And you gotta remember, hey, hey, hey, hey, Beast Gohan is still saying, man.
01:36:59
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The greatest superhero our generation's ever known. Emerson, I will shoot you, sir. Don't ever shoot. Don't ever. No, no. I mean, I'm just sending Cheeblakers after you, because Cora can't protect me. She's your friend. I had such a weird crap. Would she protect you? Like, I don't even know if she would set herself up to protect you, because she just does not. She just doesn't have an inner. It's fine. I'm more spiritual than she is. I'll be fine.
01:37:29
Speaker
Go have some tea with Iroh in the spirit world. Please. Exactly. I might even talk to Zaheer and be like, hey, my guy, talk to me. Teach me about this flight. Oh, man. But yes, Say a Man is actually better than Korat. That's my hot take for this Kwon, if that satisfies you. You're a terrible person. I mean,
Korra's Climactic Battles
01:37:52
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I'll take it. I'll take it. Why? No! Say a Man is trash.
01:37:58
Speaker
You could pose another question if you want, but that's what I'm leaving alone. That's enough disappointment for one day you and Alex. Oh, that's worse than making you mad the disappointment. No, I'll ask a question to y'all. Did you guys like the kaiju fight with Cora? Like the
01:38:23
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Like where she merged with Raja and like they have Vatu in Raya and they fought like the two big demon kite things. Did y'all like when they turned into the big kite juice versions of themselves and like battled it out? Alex, I'll tell you this from like the depths of my soul. I don't think any fight quarter was in and it was good. So I did not like it. Like any of her.
01:38:51
Speaker
And that's where I stand on that. Beifong had better fight sequences than Korra. And Beifong was a one-hitter-quitter. She could dish it out, but old lady got hit one time, sometimes twice she was out. Damn. Did you like to fight Korra? I mean, it was a... not really.
01:39:20
Speaker
I didn't like the way Cora looked to be honest with you, like that shit irritated. I kind of liked how the, was it Batu? I kind of like how he looked, like the colors, but Cora was just so blue. I didn't, I just, I don't know. It didn't,
01:39:36
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i did it i'm sorry it was just terrible to me i mean the design before they merged was awful like literally i keep calling them demon kite they were kites my guy like they were kites they were evil ass kites yeah all you needed was a good airbender and they gone not an airbender oh my god and just what they represented
01:40:00
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And then the power is shooting out the chest. That didn't really do. I was like, what the fuck is this? You don't believe in titty power? It was like, you remember those old Dragon Ball Z, like, Budokai 3 and 2, when you had to, like, fucking spin the controller real fast? That's what they were doing. And I was like, why? They definitely did hit the... Yeah! What type of shit is this?
01:40:24
Speaker
Not a fan. I kind of liked the way that the red and black was about to look, but I hated the fight, to be honest. His voice, too. They gave him the most comically evil sounding voice ever. Well, I appreciate you guys for yet another great episode. Shout out, Cora. You ain't that bad, girl.
01:40:51
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We let you still, International Women's Month, I guess.