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Melaninjas - The Parents of Anime
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This week we are talking about the Parents of Anime! Love 'em or hate 'em we all deal with them. For this episode we throw out the names of various anime parents and the team decides if they are good or bad parenting! This week's guest: Travis!
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Introduction and Guest Appearance
00:00:09
Speaker
Every story, every battle, every model, every child, every dream, every team, it don't matter if you proud, gotta bleed for it Yeah, nigga, gotta bleed for it
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Speaker
See my ancestors from Manchester to now I've been to underground stories Since niggas was underground we them black ninjas Who making our mamas proud better tune in nigga We taking it all around it's the meloninjas So go and tell the fam we need better figures And we don't fuck with Uncle Sam better get the picture These black hands make black bands And I be the greatest nigga like the last dance meloninjas
00:01:02
Speaker
All right, welcome to Meloninjas.
Anime Enthusiasm
00:01:04
Speaker
I'm one of your hosts, Emerson, along with Alex. Our third host, Kawan, can't be here today, but we are your Meloninjas. We have a special guest today, Travis Smith. Travis, introduce yourself real quick, man.
00:01:17
Speaker
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What's going on, everybody? My name is Travis Smith. I am originally from New Jersey. I currently reside in Baltimore, Maryland. I've been an avid anime watcher for about, let's see, the past two years, I'd say. Going on my third one here. I'm really excited. This is my very first podcast that I've ever been a part of, and I'm ready to get into these topics. Thanks for having me, Emerson.
00:01:45
Speaker
Of course, of course. All right, so we talk all things anime. Yeah, we talk all things anime. We aren't experts, just very passionate anime fans who are happy to give their opinion and perspectives on various topics.
Anime Parenting: Love or Hate?
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Speaker
So today we're gonna talk about parents, whether you love them or hate them. We all have to deal with them. That's true. They can really, they can shape your life. Sure do. Mm-hmm, they be wildin'. They be wildin'.
00:02:14
Speaker
I know mine be well then. You know, it's funny to get to grow up and become an adult and then realize like reflect back on your folks like dang, they were just people they made some mistakes. Yeah. Look, they don't all got quirks.
00:02:31
Speaker
Yeah, I was gonna say I do love that in so many of these animes, I can absolutely see my mom in like so many of them just cause she just didn't play any games. You know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, for a lot of reasons, but I think that that also kind of outlines, I think what some of my favorite animes are to watch is how much I can see myself in my life in the lives of a lot of these characters.
00:03:03
Speaker
Absolutely. And with that, we're going to jump into this.
Goku and Chi-Chi's Parenting Debate
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Speaker
I'm going to throw out some anime parents and we're just going to discuss whether you think they're good or bad. And yeah, let's do it. So since you talked about stern mothers, let's start with Chi Chi and Goku from Dragon Ball series.
00:03:25
Speaker
Alex, I believe in chivalry. I'd like your I'd like to hear your thoughts first. You think that Goku and Chi Chi were good parents or bad parents? Well, I'm not gonna lie, I'd probably have to rate them separately. I don't think it's out of the rules. Can we do that?
00:03:44
Speaker
Why not? I mean, this is your show. I just want to make sure that I don't break any rules. You know what I'm saying? So let's get those out of the way.
00:03:58
Speaker
All right. Well, for me, I would put Goku in the trash parent bin and I got to put... Chi Chi was actually a decent parent. I give her some props. She did her thing. She held it down. She held down the house there. So I would definitely go ahead and put... But I mean, Goku is definitely, to me, indisputably a trash parent.
00:04:25
Speaker
Indisputably, I'm not I mean, I won't say that I won't say that he is undeniably a good parent. But what I say, he's indisputably a bad
Goku's Upbringing and Parenting Challenges
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Speaker
parent. I mean, I think that that will firstly, I definitely agree. I think that Chichi is a fire mom. I can't I don't know. I have no complaints about Chichi. I think she held it down and every she was a great wife, great mom. She busted the fuck out of fucking Gohan.
00:05:00
Speaker
She did give her what three super saiyans? Yeah. Yeah, bro. If she I wasn't I don't even know if she knew that she did that you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Um, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's very fair. But for Goku, I mean I have a lot of mixed feelings, you know, I think that why not explain though, so
00:05:21
Speaker
For one, I want to acknowledge that Goku's upbringing was very abnormal, right? The scope and the trajectory of his life is inherently unique to him for a lot of reasons. He's not originally from the planet Earth yet. He was raised there, spent his life there, sworn to protect this planet that he does not even originate from.
Cultural Context of Anime
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Speaker
And he essentially, I suppose just as any other child, kind of learned about how to conduct themselves as a human being, you know, as anybody else would. But at the same time, I think that being an alien warrior with a tail that can from time to time turn into an ape
00:06:14
Speaker
which I never really understood why they had tails, but I suppose that's gonna be another conversation. Point being, he had to figure out a lot of things on his own
00:06:30
Speaker
And his experience and he he can't he has really nothing else to model after because it's not like he had an alien father who also was raised on planet Earth to show him how it's done. So I just want to point out that's the roshi roshi. I mean, I would say that roshi. Yes, he took off. Firstly, we're going to we're talking specifically about the shows, right? And we're talking about Dragon Ball, like the very first
00:06:58
Speaker
Like, where it all started, right? I just want to be sure what I'm saying. Whichever one helps your argument. Yeah.
Goku vs. Vegeta: Parenting Styles
00:07:03
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So yeah, not totally Master Roshi, I think was an incredible parent. But I mean, I think him not being an alien. Minus the, the, the lust, the supreme lust.
00:07:17
Speaker
It was a different time, Alex. It was a different time. Here's the thing that I also realized about anime now that you brought that up. Keep in mind that the Japanese are a very sexually repressed civilization, or at least they were at one point in time. Okay. Let us know the history.
00:07:34
Speaker
I mean, listen, I am not an expert at Japanese history whatsoever, but very specifically on the topic of the over-sexualization of women presenting characters in the show, like me and a lot of other of my friends go on and on about why that is and all that jazz. But from the research that I did see,
00:07:57
Speaker
A big part of that is because since the Japanese are a sexually repressed kind of culture, historically speaking, anime as it has come to be is one of the avenues in which I suppose anime creators are
00:08:16
Speaker
Antarctica kind of about how that has a release in a sense. I mean, that's where they have the most. That was wow, that was good one Emerson. But I mean, it is one of the avenues that I'm sure that they have creatively to
00:08:36
Speaker
kind of have that control where, you know, it is their world and they can make those things up as they see fit. Same how you could see in like Seven Deadly Sins with Meliodas and Elizabeth. Sorry, I was spacing on her name.
00:08:54
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and a lot of others that I can name, but I don't want to get too far off on a tangent there. Back to Goku. You know, I think that he also got caught in between rocks and hard places with trying to be the ultimate, like,
00:09:12
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not only be the ultimate warrior for earth, but I suppose at least originally intending to raise sons to also carry on that legacy and pushing them to the brink the same way that he was. I mean, you know, if I think he absolutely wanted
00:09:29
Speaker
his sons to be able to fend for themselves and to, like I said, be him when he passes on. You know what I'm saying? That's a very, very favorable way to view Goku's parenthood and his parenting style. I think that that's a very, very generous and kind interpretation of his fuckery. I would say there's another side. Yeah, absolutely.
Vegeta and Trunks: Competitive Parenting
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I don't think it has anything to do with the role model. I think Goku is a simple minded, one track minded type person. I mean, I think they established pretty well in the lore that that Goku is pretty, it's a Saiyan through and through, even though he doesn't seem to ironically doesn't even identify much with it because if he did, he would be Kakarot. So I don't feel like he really identifies with Saiyans even though he has all the really
00:10:19
Speaker
behaves just like a Saiyan in a lot of ways. So I guess with that being said, I mean, I guess technically Saiyans aren't great parents to begin with. Hey, Vegeta's a good dad. Vegeta is a phenomenal father. Did you hear how he monkey stomped? No, no, no. Did you see how he monkey stomped? He was ready to monkey stomp Beerus for doing anything to Bulma. Yes, yes. I acknowledge that.
00:10:45
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at various points it's like oh wow great job Vegeta let's not forget that this man left Bulma completely left Bulma and his son in a world that failed that essentially just just
00:11:03
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it was all like it was all who convinced him literally if you go back to most if you go back really anywhere it's because go who's sitting around like hey Vegeta trying to get stronger hey Vegeta you're falling hold on a second hold on a second are you gonna tell me that Vegeta's entire premise about getting better than
00:11:25
Speaker
goku was entirely brought upon by goku oh i i was just about to say no absolutely not that was i mean okay he definitely no absolutely not so all i'm saying in that case then that vegeta ought to take that accountability
00:11:46
Speaker
the same way that, you know what I'm saying? Like if at the end of the day, let's also bear in mind that he got, he conceived or he rather, yes, he conceived with Bulma trunks only for the sake of him getting stronger.
Chi-Chi's Influence on Gohan
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There was no other reason. So wait, wait, wait, wait. I need you to run that back by me one more time. You're saying that he conceived, what? So remember, right, if my memory serves me correctly,
00:12:14
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Goku became more powerful or got stronger rather once he had Gohan. So a big in Vegeta's eyes part of what was separating him from getting to Goku's level
00:12:31
Speaker
Initially, was that Goku had a son and Vegeta did not. So, Vegeta- I'm not sure I followed that one because you remember the first time Vegeta like for real, for real saw the difference was when Goku started snapping because they beat up Krillin.
00:12:49
Speaker
Yes, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about the actual tipping point of what... Oh, okay, gotcha. ... got Goku from A Saiyan 2 Super Saiyan. I'm not saying that that had anything to do with it. I'm just saying, generally speaking, I believe that they went into it in the very first time that we meet Trunks as a character, like when he goes back in time.
00:13:14
Speaker
I'm pretty sure that when we get into the episodes behind his backstory, that is something that he disclosed was that the only inspiration that Vegeta had really to have a child was because he thought it was going to make him stronger. It was going to bring him closer to being a Super Saiyan. He didn't want to have a son. I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't think I remember that one. I wouldn't put it past him for doing that though.
00:13:42
Speaker
Like, I mean, I'm relatively sure, but even so, even so, after the fact, like, he had no investment in Trunks. It was still always about him. When they were training in that, in Voma's like makeshift hyperbolic tire chamber, and Trunks went Super Saiyan at his 10 year old, and they trained together, he was invested. He took him to get ice cream afterwards. At that point. He was impressed.
00:14:09
Speaker
He definitely takes pride in his children. You remember the episode? The episode that comes to mind is actually when he was gushing over his daughter, Bola. I mean, I think that he became an inherently different person when he had a daughter. That's my that's my personal
Vegeta and Bulma's Parenting
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Speaker
take. I don't think he was a lot of things. But I don't think he was always a bad dad. But I'm just saying I would not say that he is also incompetent. Excuse me, I can't say the word and comparably a better dad than Goku was.
00:14:37
Speaker
I think he is. But I think he is because he actually experienced his dad. He had kinked. Yes. I mean, when when Goku when Gohan's best experience with his father was from the dead, through throwing a Kamehameha wave, I really feel like which is like one of the greatest father some moments of all time. I agree. No, I agree with that. I agree with that.
00:15:00
Speaker
Yeah, that's that is a fair point. That's I didn't. I think it is a fair point to say that Vegeta experiencing his like Vegeta definitely was not anywhere near as bad of a father as his father was. But I guess to your but I guess to your point, though, Vegeta did have his own father in his life, even the father. That's all I that's all I'm saying.
00:15:22
Speaker
And if we're going to say all that, I'm also going to put out there that Chi Chi deprived the world of quite possibly the greatest or strongest being that could have ever been in Gohan. Yeah, Pete, she did. She definitely suppressed his inner talent. This man went from the second strongest being... He was actually the strongest being after Cell games to being not represented.
00:15:50
Speaker
Isn't that so crazy? That's so wild. That's such a how the mighty have fallen type of story. Hey, that's what knowledge will get you.
00:16:02
Speaker
He compressed him with knowledge. I always tell people he got stuck in second grade because he still can't go past Super Saiyan 2 after all these years. That's why I do him like that, bro. That wasn't cool. Well, when he when he was a kid and he did fusion with Trunks in one of the Broly movies, they together. I don't think that was canon.
00:16:30
Speaker
Cause I'm pretty sure, yeah, Trunks mostly did his fusions with go tanks, right? Go 10. Yeah. Yeah. Go 10. Okay. Yeah. So I'm not tripping. Gohan, go 10, go tanks. Okay. No, you're right. And then they did that like crazy, the family Kamehameha wave, whatever that, that sounds like final verdict is, you know, we got to, we're, we're putting, we're putting go, uh, Goku in the low end and we're throwing, we're throwing, uh,
00:17:00
Speaker
We're throwing Chi Chi up. I'll I'll concede to the majority. All right. And then for Regina and Boma, how you how you guys going to put them? I would say as a combo, I would say they're probably better parents.
00:17:16
Speaker
Yeah, they're definitely better parents. I don't really have, you know, we definitely, we definitely, you know, dove
Isabella from Promised Neverland
00:17:22
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into Vegeta. I don't really have a, I don't think I have an opinion about, about Bulma too much as a parent, aside from her inventions and, you know, things that she's done to make her
00:17:32
Speaker
I mean, she definitely, you know, had that house laid and... She a genius. I mean, honestly, she the breadwinner. Uneasily, bro. Yeah. Now that I think about it and yeah, there's no way Chi Chi could hold it down the way that Poma hold it down now that I think about it. She was way more relevant too. Let's just be honest.
00:17:58
Speaker
That's very true. But that whole timeline when you see future Trunks and everything, and you see how protective she was of him and everything, I do think that's a little bit. Oh, definitely. I mean, he's obviously way older, though. So I think we're comparing, kind of like you said earlier, apples and oranges, just because we see Chi Chi mostly with the young versions of the kids where she should be protective, as opposed to older Trunks.
00:18:26
Speaker
All right, we're gonna go to another show. Let's go. We're gonna go to Promised Neverland. Isabella, aptly called Mom. You gotta start this one, Emerson. I'm gonna let you lead this.
00:18:42
Speaker
All right, look, so I think Isabella, for all things considered, is actually a really good parent. She does the best that she can do under the circumstances, you know. You know, she feels psychopathic, but you know, she, yeah. I think I actually, you know, Loki, I agree with you. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, outside, outside of breaking little girl leg. Clean, a clean break. Swiftly, swiftly.
00:19:08
Speaker
Right? She was like, don't try me. But beyond that, I sit down and think about the first time in the show, spoiler alert, when we find out what the house really is, and she kind of talks, you see her like kind of breaking down as she's taking the first girl
00:19:25
Speaker
to where they need to be. You see her crying and stuff. You're like, she didn't have to cry. That wasn't staged. She wasn't doing it for anybody besides herself. So I think even that speaks towards her emotions and sentiments towards the kids. And she does run a tight ship, but all them kids are smart as heck. Yeah, she at low key. I mean, all her, she raises those grade one children. So she definitely harvests that good meat, those good brands.
00:19:55
Speaker
I mean, right? Come on. But aside from that, though, I actually agree with you. I think she was obviously, if you, again, spoiler alert, but I mean, she definitely was a victim herself in this whole scenario. She's just trying to live herself. And I think she, at the very end, at least in the first season, I think it was honestly a beautiful moment. I think she was relieved and happy that they escaped, even knowing that she would be punished and likely be killed.
00:20:23
Speaker
for the fact that a lot of them got away. I mean, when she let her hair down, it seemed like there was a lot of relief there. So I think she definitely has love for those kids and she did care and have a lot of investment in them for her job and for her livelihood. But I think ultimately, they did what she wanted to do, which is escape. And so I think that her heart honestly was in their best interest at the end of the day.
Deku's Mom: Support or Failure?
00:20:51
Speaker
She just was a little psychopathic and broken.
00:20:53
Speaker
given the situation they're all in. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, and I think even when you put it like that, like this kind of poetic in the sense that she let her hair down in like a sigh of relief when they got free. And it's kind of like also indicative of like a parent in the sense of like every parent wants their child to, in a sense, reach their dream and or like carry on their dream. And those kids definitely carried on her dream of escaping, you know? Definitely.
00:21:24
Speaker
I agree with that. I gotta throw, I gotta throw it up on the top on that. Ironically, maybe a little bit of a surprise, but I was, I was not sure that was going to go over as well as it did.
00:21:36
Speaker
from one single parent to another. Deku's mom, Medoria's mother. Travis, I know you have some opinions on this one. Yeah, man, I absolutely do. I was just having a conversation about this with our friend Apollo J. Shout out Apollo J.
00:21:56
Speaker
And at first, so my take, I don't think that she's a good parent. That's my take. And so at first, when I was talking to my boy Apollo about this,
00:22:17
Speaker
He thought that I was being too emotional and that, you know, she was just being honest. And I'm, of course, referring to the very first episode when Medoria is told that he's quirkless because of this abnormality in his pinky toe. And he watches this video of his number one hero, his idol,
00:22:44
Speaker
just being this amazing, incredible person he aspires to be and looks up to and has just got his heart ripped out that it'll just never happen for him. And the one person who he is looking to believe in him to not break his spirit, to tell him that he is still worth something after he was just told that
00:23:06
Speaker
Because of reasons outside of his control, he'll never have, quote unquote, any value in the world because he doesn't have a quirk. So the one person he's looking for the validation that he can. That he can be something, even though his life circumstances, once again, outside of his control, are telling him he can't.
00:23:29
Speaker
He's looking for his mom to be that person to keep hope alive in him somehow, some way, and she just couldn't do it. And I think that that really broke Midoriya's spirit. I think that I think a lot and I hope
00:23:47
Speaker
Let me start that thought over. Part of why my hero is one of my favorites is because, well, there are several reasons, but the reason that I'll harp on for this is because I think Midoriya is the ultimate underdog. I think that he is one of the most underdog characters that I have. He did inherit the number one court of all time, but you know. Right, right.
Deku's Resilience and Support from All Might
00:24:17
Speaker
I think that it's just very beautifully told how he is sort of a product of hopelessness. And he did not like, it was nobody's fault. It just, that's how it happened, bro. You had a one in five chance of being one of the people in this world that doesn't have a quirk and you drew the short straw. Like, you know, and it's just, you are bound to that. As far as he was concerned, as far as being a child is,
00:24:46
Speaker
You know, and so I think in that moment when the one person, I suppose now that his mom is off that list, the one person who he's now looking to for some sort of validation in his value and in his worth is now coming from all might and.
00:25:04
Speaker
All my, I think, metaphorically gave him that revitalization of hope when he told Midoriya, yeah, you can be a hero. And then obviously, literally, when he passed down his power. And so bringing that back to the mom, I really think that that moment was so big because he had nobody, not even his own mother could,
00:25:30
Speaker
like, like, believe in, like, all I think he was like, somebody tell me that this is not what it's going to be like. Give me, give me like, I don't, I don't want to be so dramatic as to say a reason to live, but I mean, for in this, in this universe. Yes. I recognize that. I recognize that. But so, so I wouldn't go so far to say that, but
00:25:55
Speaker
Like having a quirk is such like that's you're one in five, bro. One in five without any superpowers. That must be horrible. And imagine from the intro talking about like breaking his spirit. I don't think his spirit is broken a day. I think he continued carrying on feeling like he could be a hero in any way he felt like he could. He tried to go and get into the number of my boy. I agree. I agree. My point is that that didn't come from his mom, though.
00:26:21
Speaker
And it had to be, you know, it had to be so. And then it didn't come from anywhere because the one person who we needed from at that time, I think.
00:26:33
Speaker
She didn't get it. Yeah. I'm sorry, bro. I can't. You make a great point. I mean, you do. You do. I see you. I see that. I definitely did not see it before like that. Okay, touche, touche. I was going to put her up in the top, but I think that you've tampered that down a little bit.
00:26:55
Speaker
i really appreciate the validation but i'm i'm very interested in what you have to say that has always been my take though like i've never i just thought that that moment was like damn like if that was my mombo oh like i would resent her i really feel like i would because i mean fair enough i feel you like she she definitely had one she had one moment
00:27:16
Speaker
He said all she had to say was, son, you could be anything you want to be. That is exactly what I said to Apollo Day. That was literally what I said. She didn't know it. She wanted her to lie.
00:27:30
Speaker
That's what y'all wanted. That's not what I'm saying. She had one job, OK? She had one job in that moment, and that was to console her literally, disgustingly, tearfully crying son. All right, so the one? Yes. Yes, thank you, Alex. The thing is, though, the thing is, I really think the reason she acted that way in that, and I know you can't really say anything like this because it's the first episode, so it's completely just like me. So whatever about to say is about to be bullshit.
00:27:59
Speaker
It's not about the bullshit, but I'm going to be like, at how many times can you lie to somebody? That couldn't be the first time he was looking at the screen crying at All Might. Because remember, the kids have power. Everybody else had quirks before. This was the first time that he probably looked at All Might, like, where's my quirk? Where's my quirk? And she had the line be like, it's coming. It's coming. Knowing that it wasn't your quirk. I'm not saying, tell the boy you're going to get a quirk. That's not what I'm saying.
00:28:26
Speaker
Then how do you give him hope in that situation? Because that's the only thing that would give him hope. I'm not a parent. You could be a support tech. He could have been like, I can't even remember that girl. Technically, she got a quirk, too. But you know what I mean. Right, yeah. I don't know. Hasami, the one that makes his gear. Yeah, her quirk is literally making gear, bro.
00:28:48
Speaker
She can also see five kilometers away. She's got binocular vision. She has binoculars, bro. The way I like to say it, she has a nonviolent quirk. She's not combat ready. Yeah, she definitely has a non combat quirk.
00:29:07
Speaker
But I mean, OK, well, the reason I would argue that that she's in the top, though, is because she did everything that she did. She had to hold it down when I don't know her his father. I don't know what is going on. We still have no idea what you're about to be in the fifth season. And there has been the one mention of the anime. Right. Right. It's literally the first episode. She says my husband can. What is it?
00:29:34
Speaker
breathe fire i think yeah he has some kind of fire ish something i don't know but that has not been a stop like we yeah yeah yeah they established essentially that moms has been kind of holding it down it's just the mom this whole time for at least several it was never a dad there was once a dad
00:29:52
Speaker
Yeah. Dad donated his sperm. No, but I mean, I think she's been holding it down well. I think he's a really well-rounded kid. I think that she did a good job raising him. I think he's a good kid. So I think she did a good job. Now, as far as, I mean, she does everything she does to protect him. So I think she was rightfully mad at all night when
00:30:17
Speaker
when he was trying to convince her to basically have Midoriya move into that, into basically what ends up, it is like a giant target. Like, hey, come live in this spot so that you can get targeted for all this danger and all this crap all the time. Basically concentrate all the kids. I think that she was trying to be logical and rational and sound and trying to protect her kid. I think even by- I think all my kids' daddy.
00:30:43
Speaker
you think what i think almighty's dead i i can i can agree with that because i mean i hear what you're saying i think that eventually she
Speculative Theories: All Might as Deku’s Father
00:30:53
Speaker
you know mothered up and was like i my kids got powers oh he's actually like
00:31:00
Speaker
about to be the most powerful nigga out here in these streets. And I think that at that point, when she started to realize what her his trajectory was going to look like, then it was like, I were I'm gonna support my baby and like make sure that he's good and whatever. And like, you know, then I go for it. Whether I mean, whether he was breaking his bones or not, he might do. Right. So she was like, I'd rather you do that and learn how to control it instead of being in my living room blowing up my furniture all day. Right. Right.
00:31:30
Speaker
And I think that that just came after I think I don't know I kind of feel like that just came too little too late because also When all my did pull up turn be like yo, I'm trying to take
00:31:41
Speaker
you know, the kid over to here so that way he can get more powerful. Like, let's be real. At that point, All Might has had a significantly higher say in what happens in Medoria's life. Frickin' Eraserhead had more of a say in what goes on in Medoria's life than his own mom. Like, they have essentially cultivated him, at least as far as we're concerned.
00:32:07
Speaker
We don't see his home life. So I'm not not going men. I don't know what happens when he goes home at the end of the day at all. Right. Like there's there's it seems so little of his drive to be great is to like protect his mom or something like that, which in in in an amaze.
00:32:24
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as we're all familiar with, there's a very large familial aspect to the motivations of the characters that we follow. And there's just none of that. Like, he is completely only driven by his own will to be strong because he's been told that he's weak for his entire life. And I just don't think his mom had any significant impact in...
00:32:53
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Where he ended up, maybe some, you know, I feel like it's very unfair to say that, you know, parents have zero impact on their kids lives. I think I don't I don't think I'd ever say that in the real world. Maybe in some cases, but none that come to mind immediately. And so I won't say that here, but.
Show Tucker: The Worst Parent?
00:33:09
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Like, we don't, we get none of that. And I'm only led to believe that is because she just, she wasn't a good mom. And the one time where she had a good mom opportunity, she just, she blew that candle, you know what I'm saying?
00:33:24
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Yeah, well, we're not just going to ignore the fact that Emerson just just dropped the theory out here. Yeah, like, yeah, that's Yeah, that was a strong, there is no evidence to me to support that he is the father. There's no evidence besides the fact that, you know, how is she talking to all might like that?
00:33:45
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Like, who turns up on All Might that freely? I think someone that you have some type of... Oh, my God. No, your relationship. She probably didn't even know it was All Might. All Might looking all lanky and crazy. Come on, son. Well, listen. Fair enough. No, do not bear enough that. Come on. That's all you got.
00:34:06
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Look look I will defend that but I can't I can't counter that specific point because look I did blow up on a dude who can go muscle form and like you know monkey stomp her into oblivion I wasn't gonna do that though I mean all I'm gonna say is though for real there's a familiarity there
00:34:27
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Every familiarity there. But in general, when I looked at her as a parent, I think, Trav, you definitely, you definitely swayed me. I was gonna say she was a good parent, mostly because of the, the sports festival, when, you know, she went off about him breaking his bones. And like, she was like, never, like, no, I'm not letting you do this. Yeah, I thought that that was very protective. Yeah.
00:34:50
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Yeah, I thought that was very indicative of, I'm here for this. I want to protect you. I want to do everything I can for you. And I think also, after she broke her spirit, but also you have to remember too. After she kicked the dog.
00:35:07
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Pick the damn, oh, we're gonna talk about dogs in a second. But like, no, for real, I think about her in that situation. I'm just like, what could she have done? Like, she can't be like, oh, you're gonna be all right. Like, people without quirks are irrelevant in the show.
00:35:23
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So I didn't know how well she could support him beyond just giving him a bunch of puffery that she wouldn't know if it's true or not. She's just saying it to say it.
Grisha Yeager: Ethical Parenting Dilemmas
00:35:33
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And also at that age, honestly, I get you on support from as many places as you can when nobody's there to support you. But at that time, he's probably more influenced by that of his peers. And if you're going and you're seeing Bakugo kick the shit out of you every day just for fun,
00:35:52
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I don't, I think that he loved that. He loved him. It was kind of weird. Yeah, it was a little strange. He definitely followed him around like, wait, Ka-Chon, come back. Ka-Chon, Ka-Chon, we're not done. We're going to give Midoriya's mom a bad rating.
00:36:10
Speaker
But we were just talking about dogs, so we're going to talk about my guy. Show Tucker. What kind of transition is that now? That was so foul. That was dark. Look, I mean, even dogs when you go to, you know, DMX.
00:36:32
Speaker
You said DMX, sir. Yeah. So I want to hear y'all take our show. What? I wish somebody would try to argue with him as a good parent. Right. I mean, he was trying to pay the bills. He was trying to pay the bills. Emerson, what's the next one? Well, he's also reducing bills by taking down one kid at a time. You know, more money for the state. That man is thinking. That's why he's a state outfit. More money for the state? Is that what you just said? That's your take.
00:37:01
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He's a dog of war, right? He's a state alchemist. Oh, my God. I don't think there's anything. Look, honestly, though, I would argue that the only redeeming quality about what he did that was grimy as hell, he wouldn't have another way to support his daughter. So he's like, I'm gonna put you out your misery.
00:37:21
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And it's kind of sad because she didn't even get it out of her misery. She spoke. She's still in there. She scrapped. Yeah. Yeah. They killed her. Remember? Who killed her? Oh, Scar killed her. Yeah. Yeah, Scar did. She suffered. She suffered that whole time. Oh, damn. Yeah. Oops. No, look, despite Anderson out here. Watch the series.
00:37:43
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here trying to argue that the clearly the most twisted and demented character in all of anime fathers is a good guy this we can't even this is not even yeah I'm not even I'm not even gonna entertain the idea well he was just looking out for the bills you know he was just he was just trying to
00:38:03
Speaker
All right, so I'm going to go off that because you said my first transition was bad. So I'm just going to give him a bad rating because clearly y'all are going to tag team me on this. But we're going to go to Grisha Yeager then. Grisha Yeager, spoiler alert, made his son kill him.
00:38:21
Speaker
I think that is worse than show. Oh, whatever. I wish I did sacrifice his kid for the cause. I mean, he really did. He knew his kid was going to die in 13 years after this or however many years. I can't remember how long the curse is. It was always Aaron's fate though.
00:38:44
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It didn't have to be I don't know if y'all are all the way in the manga. So again spoiler alert for this but I Apparently when you have when you inherit the the What is it? What are they calling his Titan the his attack Titan Titan? Yeah when you inherit the attack Titan your you have the ability apparently to connect with all of your past all the people who have also been in that form and supposedly Aaron has
00:39:12
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or Aaron even before Aaron actually spoke to his dad even in the past. So it actually was Aaron who designed the whole situation as it is all the way around like even from the beginning before before Grisha inherited the attack titan and after like he communicated through the what is it the owl he was in he basically manipulated the owl to give it to Grisha to give it to him. So like, I don't know it seems like
00:39:39
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Erin you can't even say that Grisha did it cuz in a way it literally he hesitated and Erin told him like do it
00:39:46
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So in a way, like I mean, in a weird, twisted way. It's like Aaron's his own dad. Aaron was manipulating his dad. So I don't know. I mean, does that does that make does that make the father better? Does that make does that make the worse? He's weak. He's weak by your kid. Your kid just runs you. I mean, he did let us out.
00:40:14
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Yeah, he also let his sister get like, what, eaten or something? Is that why he even became a- Eat my dogs. Eat my dogs. Yeah, so I don't know. He can treat it. Yeah, that's what got him in there anyway. And so I think, yeah, I would have to put him on the low end. That's not a, I mean, he also was- I just don't, what did he do for Eric? What did he do for him? He was a good dad until he made it. He turned him into a titan to tell them to eat him. Right.
00:40:41
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Well, didn't he have another- No, he was a terrible dad because we're forgetting his number one child. His first child! The- The Beast Titan. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
00:40:56
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I mean, my dude straight up sacrificed both his kids to the game. He chalked both his kids up to the game. He really did. Yeah. He's literally the worst. He's the worst parent. I mean, he might be in the same, he might be in the same league. We got to put him in the same league as Shao.
00:41:15
Speaker
Mr. Tucker. That's all I wanted. I didn't want Tucker to be by himself. He already don't got a daughter and a dog no more. So. Wow, I totally forgot about that. We're talking about abusive trash parents, though. I mean, you've got to you've got to go to Endeavor.
00:41:30
Speaker
Oh, we're going to do that. I like Endeavor. I think Endeavor isn't actually not that bad. He's a terrible child. He abused his wife. That was crazy. Did we miss that? Did that go over your head? No, that didn't go over my head. It's implied that he's a rapist.
00:41:49
Speaker
But it is also known as a fact and not implied that that big ass scar on Todoroki didn't come from Endeavor. It came from his mom. It did. So we can't say Endeavor is bad. Wait, I don't know if I knew that. Wait, wait, wait. Your justification for him being not a bad father is because he just so happened to not be the one to abuse his son in that way.
00:42:11
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No, I think he's a good father because he has a lot of the qualities that we actually kind of lauded with Vegeta earlier. But he's a bad father in the sense of a role model, right? Like Shoto hates Endeavor because of how Endeavor treated his mom and then how his mom- Well, do we know that's what that's limited to?
00:42:34
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He treated his whole, he abused his family. He was raised separate. Shoto was raised separately from the rest of his siblings because he was deemed the perfect child. All the other kids were considered failures. So basically upon Shoto's birth, the mom didn't need to get raped no more because they found the perfect kid. And then he basically just threw the mom to the side, didn't even care about the other kids anymore. Shoto was basically like raised to like, uh,
00:43:01
Speaker
like a prime cow or whatever you want to call it, like a crazy... He was raised like a chosen one. He was a chosen one, damn it. Wait, I have a quick question. I am so, so sorry. Just really quick, for these rape allegations, I understand that that was implied. Is it confirmed that that is what happened?
00:43:31
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It's not confirmed. It's just very heavily implied that he chose, he was looking for a way to overcome his own quirks weakness because he's whenever he, you know, he overheats essentially. So he wanted to find a person who, um, a child, cause he wanted to be all my, by any means necessary. So he went and tried to find a person that would be able to help him overcome the overheating aspect of his quirk. And so he basically, uh,
00:43:55
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like, found her family, the family with the ice quirk and like, went to the parents was like, Hey, you know, let me marry your daughter, whatever. So it was almost like he, I don't want to say bought her, but it felt like he kind of bullied his way into marriage. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But at the time, too, is like, you gotta also remember at the time, he was already the number two hero. Well, yeah.
00:44:15
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There's nothing they were going to bow down on that. So they basically gave the daughter to him. So they didn't marry out of love or anything like that. But I think she did grow to care for her. I mean, he grew to care for her. I'm not saying he didn't care about her. And I'm not saying he's not going to have a redemption, okay? Because I think he really will. But,
00:44:40
Speaker
My dude basically chose her and bred her because of her cork. Let's just be really, really crystal. And the kids, all the other kids before Shoto did not have the perfect merging of the two quirks. So they were considered failures and that's why he abused them first and then neglected them.
00:44:58
Speaker
I mean, we all have favorites in everything. He just has a favorite child. Emerson, you're just going to be this person for the rest of them. I like Endeavor. I'm just saying. As a parent, I think he's an excellent role model of professionalism, but not anything outside of professionalism. He literally teaches his kids to
00:45:25
Speaker
do what, like by any means necessary, but like in the bad way, like he does it. All I'm saying is if Endeavor was Bakugo's dad, Bakugo would be the craziest fucking OP girl of all time. Yeah, that's probably true. You know what's funny? You're right. I think that that would be a funny, hilarious, very dysfunctional, but poetic dynamic there.
00:45:53
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You would tune in every fucking chance you get to be like, all right, they would have been the number one and two together. That would have been beautiful.
00:46:00
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Yeah, I would watch that. I won't I won't I won't deny that. I just think he was a bad father. That's that's okay. He's he's objectively a bad father. But speaking of fathers, we're gonna we're gonna go to a pair of fathers individually or together if you guys want as you see fit Sasuke and Naruto.
00:46:27
Speaker
Okay. I think Naruto's a good father. I was going to say that right now. I'm sorry, Alex. Go ahead. Naruto a good father? I mean, Naruto is a good Hokage, but Naruto's the father to everyone in the village except his own damn family. He is like not there really. I mean, I think that he's well bonded with his kids, but also not like he did. He sent a shadow clone to his daughter's freaking birthday.
00:46:53
Speaker
I mean, what else was he supposed to do? How are you going to send a shadow clone? That was the one thing. That was the one thing that was really important to your family. And you said, I'm just going to, you know, split off and why don't, and if you can do all the shadow clones, why can't you make a shadow clones do his work? And then he would have gone in person. Well, you know, they can't do that. You know, the Cheryl clothes can do the work. Come on now.
00:47:20
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Maybe from the duration of a birthday party.
00:47:25
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Yeah, exactly. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to validate him sending a shadow cloud right now. It's very simple. His daughter could knock him out cold. I'm not going to your birthday party. Oh my gosh, his whole family. I mean, Hinata could knock him out cold. Absolutely.
00:47:50
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but the daughter at that age gentle fist is nothing to play with you're right no but no you can't even justify that that's that's that bull crap right there okay because no that's bull crap because honestly like he didn't even send a strong shadow clone i mean that thing was out
00:48:09
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He didn't. He sent one that was apparently split into 6,000 pieces because it was like, I don't even, what was the thing that made it explode? I mean, did he just trip? I can't even remember. He just disappeared on some easy, non-combat related, you know, anything. He just said- Who doesn't like magic at their birthday parties? I like magic at my birthday parties. Get out here with this magic crap. Get out, get out. Get out.
00:48:36
Speaker
Okay, but Sasuke though, Sasuke is definitely a great father. Oh, he's absent. That's what makes him great. He is very cognizant of his deficiencies. He does not want to impart them on to his cognizant of his deficiencies. No, this man, my man only comes in town to, you know, to get some, some of that, some of that Sakura loving and then he dips.
00:49:06
Speaker
You know, he liked that team 7-loving, but he'd be watching. He was watching, you know. He's the shadow of Hokage. He'd be around. Listen, listen, listen. She didn't even know who her father was until she was, like, graduated from the academy. But did it hurt her? She was not hurt by anything. She died, though. But did she die, though, is your argument here? That's exactly what you're saying.
00:49:28
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She's living she lived She live my gosh. She didn't he he knows this No, she she didn't know he didn't even know her who his daughter was because he attacked her and then had to realize Oh shoot, that's my child That's necessarily his fault
00:49:50
Speaker
Listen, listen. He didn't even recognize her. He recognized them eyes. He didn't even recognize, he just recognized all crap. I'm the only, I'm the only freaking Uchiha left. So if someone else is out there, that had to be my own child. That's literally the only reason he recognized this child. But did he stay around afterwards? Yes, he did.
00:50:08
Speaker
Did he stay around afterwards? You mean? OK, hold on a second. Yeah, why would if we're going to just evaluate the overall play? I guess it's not how you start. It's how you finish, I guess. I don't really think that that applies to he took her to a festival. So it's all better. It's all good. Now, as a kid, is that not what you want? Oh, my God. Take it to a festival. He asked people what should he do? He's like, I'm doing to I don't know how to do this. He sought help.
00:50:38
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he's trying oh my gosh i can't even so he gets an a forever he did okay he tried like you know the the dad who's got custody once every couple weekends you know he tried like that you know he's listening to that court order and that's nothing wrong with that
00:50:57
Speaker
Okay, Emerson. I'm done. But to parallel, parallel, a duo that we talked about earlier, right? So we said earlier, when we were talking about Goku and Vegeta, like their role models in terms of like, where they get their, get their skills from like parenting at wise, now we're told they didn't really have a parent to look up to. I mean, he had a Ruka sensei, I guess,
00:51:21
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But- But he had the, you better not leave out Jariah, okay? Look, Jariah, I don't think he looked at Jariah as a father at the beginning, at least. I thought he looked at him more as like, this guy looks out for me. And then when he started training with him, he saw him more as a father figure. That's just my take though. But- I guess, yeah, he didn't care. Sasuke actually experiences that, you know. Sasuke actually experiences that. So, you know, we have those two.
00:51:46
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Yeah, but so, you know, the Uchihas are moody, you know, they, they, they grow through moody, they grow through like, deep, deep pain and suffering and like, that's the loss of their closest bonds. Like, that's how they develop. So they are a moody bunch. Yeah, that shit, that shit is kind of crazy. You have to kill your best friend to get that turtle.
00:52:07
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Oh my God, all my friends will be dead. Not um, but, I'll just get it, I'll just get it. I'll go for the rain god. No, but I do think it's interesting with like in terms of like their validation. I don't think Sasuke is valid in being absent. Because obviously he still like holds his like grudges against the village and stuff. But you know, how many times have people told them let go?
00:52:34
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Freakin' Hitachi told him, yo, I made the decision. Let go. Like, stop it. But, you know, this man is never going to let go, obviously. So I don't think he I think he's a bad parent, mostly because he's absent on it out of his own volition. But that is my take.
00:52:51
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I mean, he feels like, what is he, is he still repenting? Is that why he's so absent? He's just repenting. He's repenting. Yeah. So he's trying to do what he can to help, um, help the village from the shadows because it's the least he could do from almost destroying the world. Even though I was like, yeah, you weren't about to destroy the world by yourself because nobody was worried about you. Now, Madara, now that that's a man right there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:21
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Good times. All right, so what's the verdict on Sasuke and Naruto? We're saying bad? Sasuke, I mean, to me, it's a bad parent right there. It's a no-brainer. You're like, it's a no-brainer on Sasuke. Yeah, I won't contest that. Oh, my gosh. All right, but Naruto, he's a gitter of bad.
00:53:48
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I think that's up for the bait. I don't know, I would. I'd say he's good. I think he's doing the best he can with what he has. Well, we need some good parents on the board, I suppose. Yeah, right now it's a lot of bad parents. Speaking of parents, though, of Uzumaki's, Naruto's parents, like his actual parents. Good or bad? I mean, they did, you know, basically trap the most
00:54:14
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devilish, you know, incarnation of evil into their child through seal into their unborn fetus. But they knew he would live.
00:54:26
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you know that's that's something to point out they they believed he was they believed in their son basically crisper that's like y'all know the gene-altering yeah they crisper Naruto in the world
00:54:46
Speaker
I mean, I think they're different than, like, Gara's parents. Like, Gara's dad was just, like, terrible. But, like, Minato was just like, I'm trying to save the village, and I believe in my son. And you just said earlier, when you were talking about Midoriya's mom, that she didn't believe in him. Come on, man, you gotta be consistent. So, okay, okay. You know... You're gonna tell me that you just compared Izuko Midoriya's mom
00:55:16
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Did I hurt? That's what he just said, right? She can't be a Hokage clearly. She doesn't meet their height requirements. And the child had powers. The child was in fact very powerful and did not exist in a world where 80% of the inhabitants possess superpowers and you are one in five people that just happened to not have them.
00:55:45
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Okay, you could just say 80% on one. 80% of people have quirks. It's in the intro. We know it. Damn it. Not everybody. Not everybody goes to the to the Ninja Academy. Not everybody's in the academy, bro. And Naruto didn't have all of his powers up front. I mean, yeah, sure. He can. It doesn't matter. That's not relevant. Also an outcast.
00:56:09
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Just like Midoriya was an outcast. Oh my gosh. Midoriya had no powers. Midoriya got... Yeah, go ahead. Are we ranking... Are we trying to argue upon potential quality of parenthood? Right. Because if we're arguing... I thought there were good parents. I said, you believed in me, mom and dad. No, no, no. Listen. Listen. Linda. Listen. No. If you were arguing based on pure action,
00:56:33
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They infused the incarnation of evil. A demon. A demon, literally the incarnation of evil into their unborn fetus.
00:56:44
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and then just rolled over and die. Honestly, honestly, let's be real here. It was only half evil. Only half of the evil, not all of them. Because you're right, the father took the other half with him. Exactly. Exactly. I understand. I'm not going to play this game of semantics. No, if we're playing that, why didn't the mom take the other half of her? She was still pregnant. She was still pregnant. She would have died. She was a monkey. She was dying anyway. She was going to take the other half with her.
00:57:12
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She could've died and let her son live. No, they could've let the whole chakra beast just vanish off the planet so it couldn't terrorize anyone and be fought over at all. I thought she would die from the seal. She was already dying from the seal because it was rampaging. At that point, they were already impaled. Yes, this is true.
00:57:34
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So no, they made a choice. They chose to infuse the half, okay, half of evil into their child. And then just that's that's the action. That was that was the yeah.
00:57:49
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Because they thought that their child should not have to deal with evil alone, so they dealt with the other half. What is so wrong with that? I mean, they sent him a message that he didn't get till he was like, what, 16? That's his fault. He just said, we're not talking about potential. That was his fault. Yeah. What I'm trying to say is they didn't designate like no godparent for him. I mean, he did. I thought Jeriah was the godparent.
00:58:15
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No, they, he just happened to, no, Naruto did everything he did. Not to literally talk to the third Hokage to look after him. Come on, he planned this out. So he knew he was going to infuse evil into his child.
00:58:33
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he knew his child was going to live. That's what I'm talking about with that belief. But how did he communicate? What did he do to use his yellow? Did he use the yellow flash run to the third Hokage right in the final moments? Like take care of my child and then jump back to the fight. I mean, I'm trying to understand when he would have known that, you know, that Toby was coming. Oh, gosh. No, he's I thought that that flash
00:58:58
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already had that idea as a last resort if he had to. It wasn't like instantaneous, let's do this. I have no idea. I could be wrong. I don't know. I mean, I don't know that. I don't remember that. But because I don't remember, I can't say it didn't happen. But all I can say is if you split it up by the actions, the actions were foul. Okay, we have to get them, they get trash parent status for the act. Now, as far as the potential and the intention,
00:59:26
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If we're rigging them on their, if they're rigging them on the potential and the intentions of their moves, I mean, yeah, they'd be great parents. They probably would have been very wholesome and loving. They would have been a wholesome, loving family. And then Naruto wouldn't be probably nearly as powerful as he is today. He would just be a normal kid, probably, who wouldn't have been, have any of the personality traits that he has now. So. Okay.
00:59:50
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Fair, fair. And since we're going to talk about wholesome families and picture perfect families, let's go to my man Van Hohenheim. Emerson, these transitions, man. Isn't that that picture that threw everybody off for a loop because you see them in the picture, you're just like, oh, shit. Yeah, we're going to talk about pictures. Let's talk about Van Hohenheim. Oh, my gosh, I thought you were going to
01:00:16
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Oh God, Mr. Hohenheim, okay, so. That's my first, obviously, I don't know, I have mixed feelings about him. I think that in the, I suppose, okay, full disclosure, I am not a parent,
01:00:45
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But what I will say is that I think that he did have a complicated choice that he had to make.
01:01:03
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And what I'll say is that, you know, parents don't get it right all the time. However, I will say that I think for what it's worth, it did a lot more harm than good with him leaving these two boys. But I also think
01:01:27
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that he was not entirely anticipating the mother dying. I think that kind of messed up his, I think that messed up a lot of things. I'm not even gonna lie. So I, Fullmetal Alchemist, because you were challenging me about my top fives, Fullmetal Alchemist, FMA Brotherhood is top, I mean, that is easily top three, might be top two for me. I love Fullmetal Alchemist. That is my number two, personally.
01:01:55
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Yeah, so that is so just you know, I love me some Fullmetal Alchemist now as far as the Hohenheim for me he's I don't really know because I'm I don't really know what I think that his I don't even really know right now besides this the seeking of power like I don't I can't
01:02:20
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I don't really know what he meant. What was he trying to do? I don't know. Did he want his kids to surpass him or he just wanted ultimate pass? I need y'all to run me back because I'm trying to put it together with him because I don't know. I'm kind of in the middle, I think.
01:02:37
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I thought he like showed it was a bad parent. I don't think he left. So all right. So I think that in terms of like Edward and Alphonse, he didn't really I think he's a bad parent in general, but I think it wasn't that he cared about them as much as he cared about.
01:02:53
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his life. He was selfish, but I think it was also he outlived everyone that he ever loved perspective is very different. But I think also, I think they do the in the backstory of like how he of his story, they were just saying that it wasn't until
01:03:11
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He was with that particular version of a family that he realized that he wanted to actually grow old and all that other shit. So that's why he set out to figure out a way. But I'm like, that's like to Alex's point, that's like wildly shellfish and it had nothing to do with. And it defeated the purpose. It was just like, I just want to be able to die with this woman. He didn't care about his kids. But I do think that for what it was worth,
01:03:40
Speaker
He did try at the right time. Like he gave Edward confidence at the right time. And I think that kind of, I'm not gonna say turns the tide of the whole fight. That's a little dramatic. I'm gonna leave the dramatics to Travis. But I do think that it was impactful. He did have like a positive, he had a net positive impact.
01:04:03
Speaker
Yeah, I actually think that I was a father. Yeah, like his parenting skills were, I mean, when he was, when he was present, I mean, if we really, because he was always gone. I mean, if we're doing his presence. I mean, how are you going to be a parent and you're not parenting? Yeah, that's yeah. I mean, that's part of parenting. You don't get perfect attendance records after elementary school. Oh my God. Put that out there. Oh my gosh. No, that's not even true because I got a perfect attendance award in high school. So
01:04:33
Speaker
Wow. Yeah, so no. False. Okay. Yo, you got to fry him up. You got fired. You cannot let that you can't let that go. Listen, listen, I got the energy.
01:04:48
Speaker
But I'm not even going to take it as an insult because I'm proud of my perfect attendance, whatever. But as far as... Yeah, I mean, when he was present, you can't... I mean, I think he was actually pretty decent. I just think that obviously when he lost himself,
01:05:09
Speaker
along the way. But I can't give him an excuse and let him off the hook, but then not do that for Goku or other people. Because I mean, Goku straight up dead. And he still came back from the dead to assist his child. So, I mean, I don't know.
01:05:28
Speaker
I think I'd have to put Von Hohenheim. Nope, that's not what we're talking about. Yeah, it is. I'm sorry. I think that I'd have to put him in the bad category just because I think that the level of trauma that he had on his kids really, I mean, because think about it. These kids have literally gone to hell and back.
01:05:58
Speaker
like in the end and it's really for the wrong. Right. Right. And even in the end, that's not what they got. Spoiler alert. It's so we got it. Fans was phenomenal. Say it again. I said, but we got as fans was phenomenal. Yes, I agree. I agree. I agree. I got 10 ever berserker moments. I guess I agree. I totally agree with me. Say with promised other land top five anyway.
01:06:27
Speaker
Hmm. Well, yeah, but I think these kids like it just never really stopped, man. I mean, they question my my my little homie was questioning his own existence when he was talking to buried a butcher. I was like, no, you're real. You're a real boy. Like, could you imagine like these kids have gone through it? They really, really, really have. And and.
01:06:55
Speaker
Hohenheim being out was just. But even when when that picture was taken, when we spoiler alert, when we finally put it all together, he was not smile like he was very upset like he just I don't know, man, there was never there were no happy moments. This guy in the picture when I think it mattered most.
01:07:20
Speaker
and then the mom dies and it's just like well damn where where's you at you just you just dipped like in that traversing the world man trying to find he's pontificating you on the wonders of life pontificating the wonders of life meanwhile my kids
01:07:41
Speaker
Don't have an arm and the leg and the whole body. Hey, listen, you know how cool auto mail is. No, no, it's really cool. All mail is super dope. I don't know. You need auto mail in the attack on Titan. That nigga Erwin could have used it. OK, could have. Yeah, right. Should have could have what up, but he didn't. And he doesn't make him some.
01:08:10
Speaker
Bro, that's valid. That's valid. That's valid. Maybe we have yet to see that manifest.
01:08:18
Speaker
It's not happening, dog. Oh, I'm sorry. I tried to interrupt your rant joke about Van Hohenheim. Yes, yes. I yeah, I stand by what I think that I think that the trauma, I mean, dude, coming from a household with an absent father, man, it's just no joke, man. And there's they had they had enough to deal with, bro. They literally have faced death.
01:08:43
Speaker
on multiple occasions, the first of which being when they were, what, four and five, three and four years old? Oh yeah, with the water. Yeah!
01:08:55
Speaker
They even threw it through it. They put through it through it. But they're happy for it. They're a happier for it. Oh my gosh. So just because the lemonade tastes really sweet after you, it's worth every single lemon, bro. Come on. Let's be real though, those were some overly curious kids. I mean, some of that is, I mean, you go looking for something, you're going to find it.
01:09:20
Speaker
I do not believe that they should have learned the art of alchemy as young as they were. Like, I never thought that that was okay. But I do think Van Hohenheim set a good example. Didn't Hohenheim teach them that? Yeah, absolutely. Yes, he did. That was the philosopher's stone. I'm so confused about that still. To this day, I'm like, couldn't he just saved us all of this and brought him back from the beginning?
01:09:46
Speaker
But, you know, I'm just going to say he did set a good example for his son about what marriage is. Both Alphonse and Edward looked to get married and they did by the end of the series. Like, come on. Well, we don't know that. Alphonse got married? The pictures, you know, the pictures on the wall. You saw them with the babies. Oh, you're right. Yeah, you're right. I'll be out here. I'll be out here when I can. All right. All right. We got a few more parents to talk about. Let's talk about Ash Ketchum's mama.
01:10:18
Speaker
I mean, literally, mom was happy to let these kids run off on an adventure. Actually, let's not even talk about specifically Ash Ketchum. Let's talk about the entire generation of parents who let their 10-year-olds just run around becoming the number one Pokemon trainer of all time. What is going on? Oh, you just turned 10 years old, little Johnny. It's time to go on your adventure. Here's some berries. Get out there.
01:10:48
Speaker
Go see the professor to get a Pokemon and have fun. Avoid the tall grass, otherwise you're gonna get zapped. Bye! We're gonna include the games. You know, she pops back up to give you some bikes in some version, some sneakers, some money. She lets you sleep at the crib whenever you want. Yeah, but sometimes she takes money. I mean, in some games, she's literally like siphoning money. You win money, you win a prize. She's like, $30 to mom.
01:11:16
Speaker
And then she uses her money to give you berries. I'm going to do something daring here. I'm going to go outside of the anime genre and I'm going to move into a different type of cartoon style for this example. So often when I think of
01:11:43
Speaker
the entire kids is generations of moms, right? I often think of Dora the Explorer because she is just entirely out here with some clothes that don't even fit her and just parading around
01:12:05
Speaker
with a damn chimp and some Timbalands and a map and her parents just say, go play. And she'd be seeing trolls under bridges. She's made friends with all of the livestock. You know what I'm saying? And I mean that map, though.
01:12:22
Speaker
And that map is unreliable because every time when Dora finds herself into some shit, this was not on the map. Where is this? You had a whole song about where I'm supposed to go and you make it look so easy because it's only three destinations and then I miraculously get to where I'm trying to be at.
01:12:45
Speaker
You ain't saying none about none of these stars I gotta catch. I mean, all the crazy stuff that they were doing. And somehow, some way, she just returned back home by the end of the day, miraculously unscathed by all of the adventuring she had done just to do it all kind of the next day. So in translation to the Pokemon cast, I mean, here's what I'll say. I would definitely trust my life with Pikachu a lot more than Boots of the Monkey, for sure.
01:13:17
Speaker
I mean, they were armed. I mean, once they started catching these Pokemon, it's not like they were ever really in any real danger. I mean, it was no guarantee you were gonna catch the Pokemon though. I mean, okay, okay. You know, I'd say that experience is the best teacher in life sometimes. And I'd say you win some and you lose some. And I think that their parents were banking on
01:13:44
Speaker
I think their parents were gonna, if I'm gonna be a troll here and just talk about, you know, being there and believing in your kids, as we were talking about before, I believe that they believed that their kids could catch them all. I feel like they were inspired by the theme song. And I think, I don't know, I think that they believed that their parenting was so good that their kids would end up coming back.
01:14:11
Speaker
Now, Nick is 10 years old. He's for every 10. So here's the thing. I mean, everybody's going to be young and everyone has to learn at some at some point. But the one counter example I'll provide is when in the saddest episode of Pokemon ever, I think when Ash turned to stone and Pikachu. I'm pretty sure that was the movie, right?
01:14:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, that was the movie. And Pikachu kept trying to revive him and it wasn't working. Right. Yeah. And it just wasn't happening now. I did shed a tear. I did shed a tear. Yeah, absolutely. I shed a tear there, but I don't think that's the saddest. I thought when Charmander's Flame was about to go out was the saddest. I thought that was sad, like, oh, poor Charmander. It wasn't sad.
01:15:01
Speaker
Like, like, I'm going to cry like, oh, I balled, I balled on that. I was like, don't go alone. You have become a charizard. But that does beg the question about the tail thing. But anyway, get him getting back to you. I mean, yeah, I just I don't like I didn't really have a stance. I was kind of thinking out loud and trying to see where my train of thought was going to lead me to.
01:15:30
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't really know. I think that in I think that in that particular world. I don't know. I don't know. Actually, I don't I don't have enough steak, I suppose. I really thought that I was going to be able to come to a consensus, but I I can't. I really cannot. I really cannot.
01:15:51
Speaker
Okay, okay. But I thought, honestly, when you were first talking about that, I was thinking generation of parents and whatever. I was thinking of that you were going to go with Avatar going outside of the anime world, or at least kind of slightly sidestep in the anime world.
01:16:07
Speaker
Because all those kids are just out here going to different nations. And they're just like, OK. But if you can fly like this nigga Aang, why not? Also, you know, like, Sokka and Katara's father knew what was up. Now, Toph, Toph had a hard, you know, her parents. She just straight up ran. Right, right, right. I'm done. You know what I'm saying?
01:16:36
Speaker
No, I really felt that that Dora was driving was really driving a point. That's why I went so far. It didn't. It led me nowhere. So I apologize for wasting everyone's time, you know.
01:16:49
Speaker
Hey, look, at least you didn't bring up the egg. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're glad we didn't get there. And I mean, we're going nowhere kind of like Dora on these adventures because man, she really does not. She might. I don't even know where she goes half the time. Right. Right. She's in her backyard. But I don't know. Let's let's talk. Let's talk about Saki from Your Lie in April.
01:17:15
Speaker
Okay, so I don't know if you guys, are you guys familiar with your ally in April? I've heard of it, but I'm not that into it. I'm not going to lie. I am not familiar. Okay. I'm going to keep it brief because, you know, I don't want to, you know, debate with myself here, but basically... I would gladly play a devil's advocate off of something I don't know. I can do that. Basically, in your ally in April, first of all, it's tier one. It's really, really good, but it is on the, you know,
01:17:45
Speaker
more of the kind of slice of life side of things. It's definitely not a shonen. It's more slice of life. They actually
Dark Twist Anime Recommendation
01:17:56
Speaker
have it on Netflix. But anyway, so it's really good. I recommend it, but it's got a little bit of dark twist toward the end. But basically, it's about actually people, musicians, pianists.
01:18:08
Speaker
And so essentially, there's this genius pianist guy, main character and his mom is trying she's no longer able to play the piano because she's gets really sick, but she basically just like abuses the hell out of her child to get him to play the piano. And it's it is it is tier one, like bad. She's a bad mom.
01:18:29
Speaker
Um, but again, I don't really, you know, some people will argue that she's just, you know, she just needs love. She's just sad and she's just bonding with her child. But it definitely grew into, I mean, she's like straight up smacking him and knocking him all around. So, I mean, it's on some engine, it's on some engine level Todoroki stuff. So. Oh my God. But does he, does he become a dope pianist? He, he was always dope. She just kind of, yeah, she kind of beat it out of him. She had no choice.
01:18:59
Speaker
So he became he becomes good. Well, he became good. But I mean, I'll just let y'all watch it. But he's always he's great pianist. He's he's been as great as he is now without the beatings. Hell, heck yeah. Because unfortunately, after so piano used to be for you have to really, it's kind of really integral to the story. So I don't want to like completely ruin it if you ever do want to watch it. But basically, he ends up getting he's like a
01:19:29
Speaker
he ends up having like almost pcsd playing the piano afterwards after this situation happened with his mom like he couldn't even like get around it and then uh it's sort of like a love story but it's like tragic and you just have to you just have to watch it but he he would not have been i think he would have been
01:19:48
Speaker
I think he would have probably been interested in the piano and gotten good at it, but he wouldn't have had the... I mean, at the end, my man's pretty much was too messed up to play the piano because of what happened with Mom. So it's kind of like, yeah, I know how to play, but I can't even hear the notes. I'm not interested. It's kind of, I don't know.
Bad Parenting Across Anime
01:20:11
Speaker
It's interesting. Okay, so that sounds like an objectively bad parent. Great. I'd have to agree. We get to add a woman, a mother, with Gresha. Are you happy about that? I just felt bad. I was like, all these bad fathers, all the mothers are so great. I mean, hey, I definitely hear that. Okay, let's talk. Go ahead.
01:20:46
Speaker
Because I think they're more interesting than talking about freaks, only because, you know, Gone's daddy is just, we know he's not a good dude. Right, right. It's not like, you can't really argue that one. But you can, I think you can argue, Silva a little bit, he's good. I don't know, we gotta see. Let's see what you guys gotta say.
01:21:02
Speaker
I was going to say, let's talk about the Zoldyck family.
01:21:10
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely agree about Gon's father just being like, just trash. Just the worst. I don't even... Let me just set up a puzzle for you to come find me, child. I'm not going to go visit you in the hospital even though I'm in the same town that... Yeah, terrible. But yeah, I don't... They were, I mean, the Assassins...
01:21:36
Speaker
I don't really, I'm not gonna lie, I don't really have a strong opinion about them as parents. So I like, I like Silva. I like the dad. I think the mom is batshit. What were you about to say Travis? I felt like you were about to say something. Well, it was, well, I mean, all right, what I was gonna say is no, is it, it's not relevant to this. So what I'll say is relevant to this is that I think that,
01:22:04
Speaker
I think that the mom, I think they both as parents have their best interests for their family as a whole versus each child individually. I think that they- Oh, that's interesting.
01:22:21
Speaker
I think that because now I don't know obviously what the intentions of there being such a large family to be in the first place. So I guess we can't really get into that. But I guess we can see how they perform as parents. I
Killua and the Zoldyck Family
01:22:39
Speaker
think
01:22:40
Speaker
It was really, it was really a roller coaster for me and kind of watching how all of this was unfolding. Like when Killua first came back home after the Hunter exam stuff, after his brother, like, got in his head. Remember, the mother was very adamant about
01:23:03
Speaker
they about Gong and Krapika, like about them seeing Killua, right? They were very or she was she was very like, don't rescue them. And that's when my homegirl Canary was trying to help out. And then the fucking mom shot her. But I guess we won't talk about that.
01:23:26
Speaker
only only black character in the show just got shot by being a good person. But all right. Yeah, I guess it was it was it was it a real bullet, whatever. So so at that point, I was like, yeah, yo, she sucks. And then the father was like, yeah, you can go ahead and leave like
01:23:51
Speaker
It's all good. You're good to go like be with your friends and have friends and whatever bearing in mind that the that the freaking child this entire time in his life did not have any friends whatsoever. Gone is, in fact, his very the very first person that he ever cared for. Like, I really want to say, no, not ever because of his sister.
01:24:13
Speaker
Um, but like the, like the first person, I guess, outside of his family, that was like, I genuinely fuck with this guy. Like that was the first person. And how old were they 12 when the doctor exam happened? So at this time, even, even when, um, the father allowed for, uh, to leave, it was only because he was so confident that killer was going to come back.
01:24:42
Speaker
And then only to find out when he does come back, it's to take his sister. Then they like put him on lockdown and are just like, all right, you could take her, but only if these people go with you and you got this many warnings before we shut all this shit down. And then
Aluka and Ethical Parenting Questions
01:25:00
Speaker
by the end of it, now that he like did what he was trying to do without
01:25:04
Speaker
uh disclosing any family secrets now it's like oh we love kilo oh he's gray oh he doesn't have any more restrictions oh he's a good son and then it was just like i don't see why it took all of it was almost as if kilo had to prove himself i suppose that like
01:25:22
Speaker
throughout all the fucked up shit that he went through, like he was still like, gonna, I guess, keep the family first in some way. I don't really know what that entire thing was about. I don't know why that was the big determiner of like, you know, Killua being like, I guess, fully accepted by the family. But I mean, the thing is, everything that they did put him through essentially made him like,
01:25:47
Speaker
a really great person as an individual a really great fighter one of the sickest characters in the show one of the ruthless characters of the show i mean i don't know i do i i think while a lot of things were really jacked i do think that overall there was a net positive twistedly enough
01:26:06
Speaker
I mean, by the by at least this point in the series that we're in right now, I mean, he was in a great position. I mean, he seems to have great or relatively great relationships with his family now. I mean, other than the brother that, you know, tried to kill him, but Lumi. Yeah, I don't know. Can we talk about the little sister, though, for a little while and how she got raised so?
01:26:40
Speaker
I was waiting to hear it. I was waiting for you to go. Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying like now it has been a while since I've knocked out Hunter Hunter. So I'm not going to, I'm not the authority on this, on this subject at all, but didn't they, didn't they, didn't they lock her in basically a basement? Yeah. In a vault with a coded room.
01:27:00
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, because all because of her, you know, I guess her ability was was savage, but that move of them was savage. Come on. All right. So I was going to say, I was going to say at first that like, yeah, I like so I like the family, like the father and the mother.
01:27:22
Speaker
But I don't think what they did to the daughter, which is actually technically a son, but he's raised as a daughter. Yes, what is that? I was so confused about that. Apparently, she identifies as a woman, so that's why they treat her like a daughter.
01:27:42
Speaker
but it was so unclear because i actually thought that they kept messing up the the gender agreement like the noun agreement yeah i thought it was like in the translation oh yeah oh yeah no no no this that's what i mean the same not same but very similar like with pitot like pitot is a dude not a not a woman but like
01:28:02
Speaker
Yo, that fucked me up too. That fucked me up. But what I was about to say about the parents, when I was sitting now thinking about this, at first I was like, oh yeah, but what they did to Aluka, I was like, oh yeah, that's trash as fuck. But then when I heard the argument of what they did was to protect the family and do everything for the family, I was like, oh gosh, I guess that is what a parent is supposed to do. As a whole, they were great friends.
01:28:31
Speaker
everybody, but individually, I mean, you let your daughter go join the fucking Phantom Troupe. You can't be that good. Anger sucks. Two children in the Phantom Troupe. But in terms of just Aluka, I was just like, the thing that makes me think that I white still argue for them being a bad parent, bad parents, is because in that quest with Killua, you find out right when he gets to Gon that it wasn't the hit.
01:29:01
Speaker
It wasn't that they were afraid of the powers because they didn't know how it worked. The parents never took time to figure out how it worked. And he knew from the beginning that if you ask, whatever, but you have to pay the debt and it gets worse and worse. But if you command her, then it works. And the parents apparently didn't know that, which makes me feel like that's shitty. And at least it would be different if they had her trapped, but they were trying to learn her power.
01:29:27
Speaker
i mean i can agree with that at least they kept her or him yeah her at least they kept her well fed and clothed in the dungeon i do think that is that's so funny that's so funny she had all the toys she did bro it was a lit like i think that's a fair description i think that it was as much enjoy well
01:29:51
Speaker
I don't know, besides freedom, I guess. Do kids value freedom? I mean, is that really a freedom in her autonomy? She was straight. I mean, I will. I'm only going to play the devil's advocate in this in saying that I I really don't think that the parents knew how to properly
01:30:14
Speaker
deal with this. I mean, it's a very, it's a very good point to raise. Like maybe they didn't take the time. I don't know. It's a limit her human contact because they just didn't know. So they couldn't have been like down there too often. Cause as soon as she started being like, can you play with me? You'd be, you would be like, Oh, yeah. Like,
01:30:38
Speaker
I mean, maybe like, you know, crapping yourself. Yeah. I'm fingernails. Damn it. Yeah. Like, I really wonder how Kilo got to learn that this is just how I guess he's a good hunter. Like, I don't really. He's observant.
01:31:00
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know it's so it's I truly believe that I if that was my child I I just wouldn't know I wouldn't know what to do. I'm not particularly saying that I would have uh
01:31:15
Speaker
trapped her in a dungeon and gave her a bunch of toys and just and just said that was the end of it. I mean, granted, they could have just knocked her off, but because she sounded like she's dealing with a lot of stuff. Yeah, right. Right. So I'm not I'm not saying it was the best choice, but I had 110 percent believe that it was not the worst choice. In fact, I think it was probably better than a majority of what a lot of their other realistic options were.
01:31:43
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah, I think it's tough. I think it's tough. I mean, I would say, though, nothing to do with it. Zeno is a bad grandfather, though. He knew Killawool was there, and he had no, I mean, I mean. He didn't say nothing. He was like, I'm out. Oh my gosh. I was like, damn, what if Killawool tried to fight Miram? It would have been terrible. Like, that had to be on his conscience if it did.
01:32:09
Speaker
Probably not. It's been like he wasn't. He should have been smarter. He should have been smarter and now he can't fight him. Yeah, that's what he's up to.
01:32:16
Speaker
I will. Yeah, I mean, and I will also say since we were talking about how well equipped these parents are leaving their unattended kids to just take on the world, I will say like everybody in the Zoldyck family is more than prepared, I think, to handle themselves. True. Like.
01:32:39
Speaker
They as a family made sure from day one you gonna be able to provide for yourself.
01:32:48
Speaker
At
Black Characters in Anime
01:32:49
Speaker
12 years old, Kila was able to remove your heart from your chest, and only a few drops of blood will escape. That's true, because the Pokemon-verse mothers are just sinning them out. They don't even have them a Pokemon yet. Right. You gotta catch them first. At least they were like, yo, out the womb, you gonna be a killer. You know what I'm saying?
01:33:16
Speaker
Mm hmm. And that's and that's an A as far as they've never they're all alive and they have what eight of them bitches. Yeah. So I kind of put them in the good parent category. They're better than Jing Fricks. I mean, listen. Yeah, he bad.
01:33:43
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean, you know, we could throw an honorable and honorable out here as a good father since, you know, Emerson's over here like, oh, all the dads are bad and all the women are good. I mean, you got you got to give a shout out to our man Piccolo. He was definitely doing, you know, stepping up in the absence. Oh, for sure. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
01:34:05
Speaker
Yeah, and he probably was the closest to black in the show that you can pick up. It was a black character. I don't care what you say. Yeah, I don't care what his I don't even care what his voice after look like. Don't forget, Mr. Popo. No, Mr. Popo is racing.
01:34:20
Speaker
That was that that was any caricature, you know, just I couldn't believe that. Oh, my
Family Tragedy and Character Growth
01:34:29
Speaker
God. Talk about talk about the Japanese getting away with a lot of like all the all the.
01:34:35
Speaker
you know, exoticization of women characters, they really got away with that shit. Yeah, but we have to be real because they also had another version of the Mammy character in Promised Netherland. What in the heck was that other mama that we didn't talk about?
01:34:58
Speaker
She was terrible. Her character design irked me so much. But she was beating them kids ass though. I thought that was funny as hell. She was. She was. But she was every bit of a mammy, throwback, racist character, if I've ever seen one. But this is not what this discussion is about. We got another episode coming, guys. Black characters and anime.
01:35:25
Speaker
Yes. There needs to be more of them. That's that's my take. Yeah, that episode will be that episode will be probably 10 minutes because we got like what, two, three talk. Hey, if we don't include the honorary mentions, we probably got like three minutes of content. Oh, man. Oh, man. Terrible, terrible.
01:35:48
Speaker
Well, so I'm going to go ahead and count them. I don't even need to count them up. The bads take it. The bads take it by a lot. Yeah, my goodness. Handily. Yeah. At the end of the day, though, I think that what we've learned is that bad parenthood
01:36:08
Speaker
is very largely responsible for some of the most, you know, amazing characters that we have in anime to the characters that we aspire toward and look up to and want to be like and are motivated by. You know, they all had shitty upbringings. And I think that I think that it's a testament that out of
01:36:33
Speaker
I can't say anything inspirational. I'm sorry. I tried to pull some bullshit out of the air. That was great. No, I feel you because you're right. Essentially, all these characters are interesting because they've had tragedy in the past. That's what makes them relatable. Some of these things that they go through, these trials they go through, we didn't talk about bad or good. Most anime parents are either dead or
01:37:00
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basically like tragically taken away from you or they die at some point. So like just going through something kind of changes you and sends you on a quest. So I think yeah, I think you're definitely onto something there. That's a common thread, a common thread across most animes. You're going to have some kind of tragedy and it's usually related to your home.
01:37:21
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Yeah, I guess
Conclusion: Growth Through Tragedy
01:37:22
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that's where it all really starts for all of these characters when you really, really think about it. I suppose that it differs in every quest, whether or not it's familiarly, if that's a word, motivated, whereas it's like, I need to protect my family. Like, very clearly, for
01:37:43
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what I was just getting into, Demon Slayer. I just finished that not too long ago. Demon Slayer is so good. Yeah, it's really, really good. I can't wait for this movie to come out in October, I think they said. But yeah, that is very clearly like all about
01:38:02
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redeeming my family about saving my sister. It's very clearly motivated by her family. Whereas as we were talking about with Izuko, he really doesn't care about his mom. It's just the truth. I mean, it's not motivating him to be great. That's not doing it for his mom. He's more motivated by All Might. He's more motivated in All Might believing in him than his own mother. But as I said, that was the mother's fault in the beginning.
01:38:30
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Yeah, like if all of it said that he couldn't have become a hero, he would have been crushed. Yeah, yeah. Then it would have, he probably would have aspired to be a villain at that point. Yeah. You know, plot twist. He would have been literally sugaraki because that's right. Right. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Don't spoil that. Um, yeah.
01:38:53
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No, I mean, honestly, it's funny that you even said the point about like the tragedy and parents in in anime because I got in trouble once when I was a kid. Because I told my mom and dad like at the dinner table, I was like, it's your fault I can't be a hero. And they're like, why? I was like, because y'all still alive. Because I was thinking about like,
01:39:13
Speaker
All right, terrible, right? Terrible, terrible. And in hindsight, obviously bad. But as a kid, give me a pass. As a kid, I was like eight years old. I realized that everybody's parents in the DC universe, at least, their parents are dead. And I was like, why do they all have to be dead to be superheroes? And it's kind of similar in anime where you have some type of severe tragedy that sparks you on this quest. I mean, I know that not a lot of people are into Vinland right now.
01:39:41
Speaker
But if you start watching Ben Lanzaga, you see Thorfinn go off, you know it's because of his daddy. Yeah, that's true. But all his daddy was a... I don't believe Thorfinn can ever be his dad.
01:39:56
Speaker
Oh man, my goodness. If his dad was taking out, who is it, Thor Kill? His dad was fighting Thor Kill and Thor Kill was afraid of him. You see how nobody can handle Thor Kill now? I was like, my goodness, what is this? Yeah, no, there's nothing. I don't care if my man gets 30 years on him and he's grown and all that. I don't think he's touching his dad. Oh yeah, no, he's some hot ass right now. But you know, growth, one day, one day. Animas are about growth.
01:40:25
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Mm-hmm. And on that note, we are wrapping up this episode. Thank you for coming, Travis. Absolutely. Thank you for having me, Emerson. Thank you for having me, Alex. Of course, of course. And we'll catch up next time. All right, guys. Have a good night. Night night.