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Prehistoric Gingers
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What do dinosaurs and foxes have in common? They both come in ginger form!
This week Sara quizzes Kristina on fox behaviors and Kristina shocks Sara with some ancient history. Do you know which dinos were redheads? Tune in to find out!
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Transcript
Introduction and Theme
00:00:01
Speaker
This is our podcast song. It isn't very long. Hey, Christina, thanks everybody for tuning into Laughing with Ginger's. The podcasts were to feisty redheads with loud loud share crazy stories, play games and spread Salinas enjoy that foxy little voice you hear is my partner in crime on the Laughing with Ginger's podcast Christina Curry.
00:00:30
Speaker
And that little ginger panda. Sarah Alipin, my co-host of Laughing with Gingers. Get ready to laugh. Today's episode is all about red animals. Is that what you brought? Yeah. Yeah, in a way, I did. You want to know what I brought? Yeah, I'm super curious. I brought fox things.
00:00:59
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Oh, no wonder you said Foxy lady. I'm going to like drop what I brought when it's my turn as a surprise. All right. Well, I brought several things. So I brought.
Fox Gender and Behavior
00:01:17
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how to identify if a fox is a male or female. And then I brought the names of the four main types of behaviors that you may encounter with foxes. And I'm gonna tell you what they are and then have you guess what it is, what the name of it is. So I'm gonna tell you the name and then I'm gonna have you guess what the behavior is.
00:01:44
Speaker
Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it. Ooh, I like that. So yeah, it should be fun. So unlike ginger cats who are mainly male, right, foxes can be either male or female. That is how red foxes work.
00:02:07
Speaker
I think it's only cats that are male dominant in the ginger category. It's so strange. Wait, is it opposite? Is it the females? No, it's majority are males of ginger cats. Yeah, throw back to our episode on when we did ginger animals season four, episode two.
00:02:28
Speaker
Episode one and two. That's a great memory, but I highly recommend it because it's fascinating. I think it's called who let the ginger cat out of the bag. That makes sense. Okay. Are you ready? I'm ready. So let's start with, do you know what the names of male versus female foxes are?
00:02:58
Speaker
I don't. Really? Is that weird that I know? I feel like you're going to recognize the female. The male, I was like, oh yeah, I totally never would have remembered that in a million years. Oh my gosh. So the males are called dog foxes. What? Weird. Which is funny. And then the females are called vixens.
00:03:28
Speaker
Oh my god, that's so cool. I literally did not know that. Really? Yeah, did not know that. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I almost called you a vixen when we were starting. And then I was like, don't say it because then she'll know. Yeah, I might have. Yeah, right. I'm not that great. I'm not that good.
00:03:52
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I wonder what came first, like the female fox being called a vixen or the word vixen being associated with that human trait. I'm guessing it comes from foxes. Yeah, that is so interesting. Yeah. All right. Well, dog foxes and vixens are hard to tell apart.
00:04:21
Speaker
Though dogs are usually about one fifth heavier. They're also broader and they have slightly domed heads. I don't really recommend getting close enough to tell the dome or non-dome of a fox's head, unless you're maybe visiting a wildlife refuge or something and it's behind glass in some capacity.
00:04:45
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They're so cute foxes. They are. They're wild animals. I know. Not to be trusted. Yes. And get ready for this because there's going to be a quiz on this later, Christina. Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So really lean in, pay attention here.
Fox Mating Season Anecdotes
00:05:11
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Should I take notes? Yeah. You may want to take some notes. During winter,
00:05:15
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when Fox's mate, the male's testes are visibly protrude between his hind legs. But then they regress and they're hard to see in the summer.
00:05:32
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Oh my god. I feel like that's opposite for human balls. That's what I was thinking. Wow. Yeah, we're doing a lot of very, very gender parts, sex parts. Genitals? Genitals, thank you.
00:06:01
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I could not think of the scientific word and that was what I was going for. Okay. When lactating. Oh my God.
00:06:14
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The Vixen's eight teats are obvious. Eight. Wow. It's kind of like they suddenly get naked in the winter. And then they like put their clothes back on in the summer. It feels very opposite. But
00:06:32
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Her belly fur turns brick red. It's normally white or gray. In late winter, the vixen digs out several potential breeding earths. In rural areas, these will be in banks, at woodland edges, or in piles of sticks or dry stone walls. In urban areas, they're usually under sheds or buildings.
00:07:00
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Our foxes this year, I talked about them on the last episode we did, who let the ginger cat out of the bag. They are nesting underneath the house's front porch that's three doors down. And they just really enjoy standing in front of my house and screaming, which is called bleeding, by the way, bleating. Bleating. Yes. When they scream? Yeah. What? That's so weird.
00:07:31
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Yeah. Do you want to know about their mating habits? Sure. More genitalia.
00:07:42
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On January and February nights, you may be woken up by blood curdling screams, a sign that the Fox mating season, because they mate at the same time, not males only at one point of the year, is here again.
00:08:04
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The shrieking is usually Vixen's in heat. They're only receptive for 20 days. But you should also listen for the hop, hop, hop.
00:08:14
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triple barks from dog foxes. They are vocal year round, but they are much more vocal during that time of the year. The calls seem to travel farther in the night in the cold winter air. They've been waking me up at four in the morning and seven in the morning, and it is currently late May, so I'm going to go ahead and say they're still loud all year. Yeah, get your shit together, dog foxes.
00:08:42
Speaker
I mean, and Vixens, everybody. Just bring it down a couple notches. Are they nocturnal? Are they sleeping during the day? Yeah, but we saw them run in the alley behind the house this morning at like, I don't know, nine. What time do we get up in this house? Nine.
00:09:09
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We live on West Coast time. Christina and I get up at the same time. Yeah, accurate. And we'll just occasionally see the male sitting back there, grooming himself, just hanging out. And I guess they never sleep.
00:09:27
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Yeah, I it's not a good sign when they're out during the day. It's like a raccoon where you kind of are like, when they're out during the day, buddy. Yeah, like, are you rabid? Is that why you're out right now? Oh, god, I've seen rabid videos of boxes. It's sad. I know. Rabbit anything is sad. It is. I saw a video of a rabid human. It was real depressing.
00:09:54
Speaker
Yeah, by the time you well, we shouldn't go into all the depressing knowledge of rabies. I know I went in a deep dive after I saw that video I was like, what humans get rabies? What does that mean? And don't do it. It's not good. It's not a good route.
00:10:09
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No, no, it's not. And they do. That's why we get vaccinated and we don't touch wild animals. We don't go inspect testes and teats. No, stay far away. Oh, Lord. Okay. What do you have for me?
00:10:35
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Okay, so you know how I go back in history? A lot of times I went way, way
Ginger Dinosaurs Discovery
00:10:43
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back, like 120, 140 million years ago. I asked the question, were there ginger dinosaurs? Oh my God. I love it.
00:10:58
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spoiler alert, there were. That's amazing. I know, right? Okay. All right. I'll dive into I've got I brought you three. One is
00:11:13
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very, very shocking and surprising that no one would ever guess that this particular dinosaur was a ginger. But let me lay one on you. So his name is here we go. I'm going to pronounce it. It's not going to be good. We're gonna it's gonna be a rough, a rough ride here you guys. So buckle up.
00:11:37
Speaker
Buckle up. Sinosaurotarix. Pretty close, I think, to being accurate. It was a very spiky little dinosaur. So a team of scientists from China and the UK have revealed that the bristles of this 125 million-year-old dinosaur were, in fact, ginger-colored feathers.
00:12:03
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which is so cute. So it's a it's a carnivore. And he has sort of like a mohawk all the way from or she they has a mohawk of feathers that run from the bridge of its nose all the think of like, what were those dinosaurs in Jurassic Park that like gang up on you? What are those called raptors? Yeah, so think of a raptor. It sort of looks like that, right?
00:12:33
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or like a tiny, tiny miniature version of T-Rex, but like littler. So anyway, from the bridge of its nose all the way across its back and a little up its tail, it has a really long tail, is feathers that are, and it's all orange, it's all ginger, and then the tail is like white and orange stripes, sort of like a cat, like a ginger cat. It's actually the size of a turkey. And I know, it's so cute.
00:13:02
Speaker
Is it bulbous too? No, it's not bulbous. It looks just like muscular, like strong actually. And it mainly ate like lizards and like tinier prey. It looks like it'd be fast, you know, and like be able to like catch a lizard.
00:13:20
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And it actually, this particular finding of this dinosaur gives more weight to a very well-supported theory that modern birds evolved from the theropods version of dinosaurs, which is a group of smaller carnivore dinosaurs. And this dinosaur happens to be a part of that whole genre or whatever.
00:13:47
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And I found this even more interesting. The findings also help to resolve a long standing debate about the evolution and origin and function of feathers. So this particular professor said that we now know feathers actually didn't originate as a flight structure like it wasn't actually
00:14:07
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because these dinosaurs or animals needed to fly, it's more suggesting that it evolved for insulation and camouflage purposes. Interesting. I know, right? I was really fascinated by that. Wow, that's crazy.
00:14:29
Speaker
I know. All right. I went way back there. You did. I love it. I have more, but I'll save it. If you want to like hit me with some, I don't know. I have to guess the behavior based on the name. Yes. Okay. Um, okay. So I'm going to, I'm going to give you an easy one to start. All right. Well, easy as relative. The behavior is called.
00:14:58
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fighting. Okay, so when two male, two dog boxes get together and they start rumbling. That actually is like that was specific and pretty on the nose. Oh, nice. In mating season, you may see rival males chase each other make open mouth threat displays and rear up to fight.
00:15:26
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At other times, scuffles tend to involve cubs, which is from May to July, or fully grown young and adults, which is from September to November. Oh my God. Can you imagine if humans fought that way with their mouths open? That's all I can picture when you said that.
00:15:52
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Yeah, just wide open. And then be like, come at me, brah, and then open your mouth. It's like even weirder because like, at least foxes have a snout for us. The wider your mouth, the more strong you are. My mouth is giant. You're so strong, Sarah.
00:16:17
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And so threatening. I am super threatening. I know. I am just a fiery vixen. Oh, my gosh. All right. Are you ready for I only have four just heads up, but I'll give you one more and then I'll let you give me something and we'll then we'll take a little breaky break break.
00:16:43
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Sounds perfect. All right. Behavior number two is called shadowing. OK, I'm going to say that that is when the baby cubs don't know what's what life is about yet. And so they have to like follow mama around and figure it out. Oh, is that right? It is not. But that it's that's a good guess.
00:17:12
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Oh, thank you. I like I like that. I feel like that would also be accurate, but it's a mating thing.
00:17:24
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And it's a little creepy, creepy, actually. So when you think about it in terms of people, it's super creepy, which I mean, in terms of wildlife, they're just being wildlife. Yeah. So males trail receptive females to ensure they don't miss their partners brief window of peak receptivity, which only lasts 72 hours.
00:17:50
Speaker
That's crazy. So they just follow her around. Oh my god. They're little stalkers. Yeah, they really are creepy. I mean, it's totally a stalker move if it's a human. Yeah, yeah, 100%. I'm going to follow you around until you're ovulating. I'm going to jump on you. Not cool, dude.
00:18:15
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And naming and shadowing even makes it sound like creepier because it's like, you know, you imagine them like sculpting between shadows.
00:18:26
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So weird. So weird. Okay, what do you have for me? All right. Um, okay. So this particular dinosaur is built like a tank, it's covered in armor, and it weighs about the same as a caravan, whatever that weighs, I don't know.
00:18:48
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But this BV dinosaur was still at risk of being eaten by predators. So it's called a notosaur, N-O-D-O-saur. And it's thought to have lived about 110 million years ago.
00:19:04
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And the giant herbivore, so we only eat plants, is believed to be a type of like a heavily armored dinosaur, sort of like, you know, a modern day armadilla. And it would have reached up to about 18 feet in length.
00:19:20
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So it had this like dense armor all the way down its back that kind of looks like a pineapple. And then there's these like dense angular horns. And then also like all over its neck and its shoulder, it had extremely long horns. So in even the face,
00:19:38
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had armor. So biologically speaking, this dinosaur was meant to protect itself with armor. It got eaten, basically. So it built up this armor. But they found a specimen where they were able to pull off what its skin tone looked like.
00:19:58
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And it's actually, they discovered it was ginger all the way on the top of it. So all the armor was ginger and that was meant to be like, oh yeah, the compounds that they found in it were carbon, nitrogen, and sulfur. And that's something that we typically know as a pigment as the red melanin.
00:20:20
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And what's even weirder is its belly wasn't even red. So that gave the scientists even more like, oh, it needed that as like camouflage and because the belly goes like along the bottom of, you know, the ground, it didn't really need it on the belly.
00:20:36
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which is so crazy. Um, anyway, so yeah, he it also sometimes would alternate between like red and white patterns. And that could suggest to that it, you know, not only evolves to have armor on itself, but also needed to be protected from things eating it.
00:21:00
Speaker
That's so interesting. It's really cute, too. Yeah, yeah. It's like a cute little spiky thing, but it's scary if you saw it in real life. Well, yeah. Unless you kicked it, Christina. Mm-hmm. I could do it. Come up for the challenge. It sounds like you're describing there's that, like,
00:21:26
Speaker
It starts with a P and it's like similar to an armadillo, but it's like, it sounded Asia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally know what you mean. I can't think of the name, but that's what it looks like except for way more spiky everywhere. Oh, interesting. Okay. And red. Okay, because those are like gold. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right. What are they called? We'll have to look it up on our break. Okay.
00:21:55
Speaker
Well, so by the way, you need to come back because I have like one of the most famous dinosaurs actually might be a ginger. And on that note, we will be right back on laughing with gingers.
00:22:14
Speaker
And we are back on Lapping with Jinders. I, of course, am your co-host today, Sarah Alipin, and I am joined by Christina Curry, the foxy little redhead over in California. Okay, it's a paloquin, Sarah called it. Although I said, I guessed it on break, so nobody could hear that.
00:22:37
Speaker
Mm-hmm. She guessed it right when we went to break and we Googled and checked up on her flu fact checked it. I can't believe that was right. I really am shocked. Nailed it. I'm shocked. All right. Do you want to give me your two things and then I'm gonna end it with the most famous dinosaur in history. All right. I love it. I'm excited. Okay. Nozzling. Nozzling.
00:23:07
Speaker
is okay, I keep going back to like the baby foxes, but I feel like it's a baby fox cuddling with its mama. It's pre baby fox. Oh my god, mating. Why did I say that? As the females ovulation date nears, the male may nuzzle or groom her. He often also lifts his tail in excitement.
00:23:38
Speaker
That's so sweet. I know all he's looking for is sex, but it's still really sweet. I know, I know. I should have had peeing on everything on this too. They mark everywhere. Oh my god. Oh my god. All right. The behavior is coupling. Do they mate for life? I think they do, Ashley.
00:24:08
Speaker
Really? I think they're monogamous. Mating. That's my guess. Mating. It's like 90% of what they do, apparently. After the male's initial approaches are rebuffed, mating takes place several times. It can be hasty or the pair may lock for half an hour or more.
00:24:38
Speaker
Whoa, got some longevity and all. So weird thing that I have that I know. So this is a thing that happens to foxes and I are to wolves and I think that this is actually what's not being said here too. I'm curious. I didn't look it up yet. We need producer Liz dang it but so wolves like after they have sex after they mate
00:25:06
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It's a little different, I would imagine. After they mate, they actually get stuck together. They can't pull apart for a period of time. Why? How? The penis swells up? Yeah, it gets hooked in. That's so weird. They're very territorial and there's a very specific pecking order.
00:25:33
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Not to use it different. I didn't even think of it. I was... I just thought of birds. Get your mind in the gutter. The water's gross and warm.
00:25:59
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So like occasionally a younger male will sneak off with a female that he's not supposed to be mating with and then they they can end up getting caught and like attacked by the other wolves because of it. So I'm curious if that's like part of what's being said here but not being said. So I feel like I should look it up. Interesting. The question for another day.
00:26:25
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Yeah, I would not want to be caught with another wolf's lady. Or foxes. It would be scary. Or foxes. They've got big teeth. And they'll open their mouth to show you. Oh my god. I just picture humans outside of a bar with their mouths open. It's worse if you hide your front teeth when you do it.
00:26:54
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or both your teeth, both the top and the bottom. I'm gonna gum you to death. Okay, wow. Where did we go? Okay, here's the big reveal drum roll. It's the T-Rex. He might have been a ginger. Yeah, I know. I know. Hang on. Buckle in. Buckle in kids.
T-Rex Feather Hypothesis
00:27:23
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But
00:27:23
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Okay. Ladies research shows that the popular culture might've gotten it wrong with the legendary T-Rex dinosaur. So in a BBC two documentary, which I kind of want to watch, not going to lie, the real T-Rex with Chris Pakman. Oh, that's what the documentary is called is the real T-Rex.
00:27:53
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And so experts claim that the latest research shows Tyrannosaurus Rex had orange markings around his eyes, which goes down the bridge of his nose and sort of kind of heads to the back of his head.
00:28:07
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And that he actually had black feathers on the back of his head and up the back of his back. Honestly, this picture of him makes him so adorable and gosh darn cute that it's like he doesn't look scary. He just he looks like I'm
00:28:26
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You know animals where they only have patches of fur around parts of them. That's what he looks like because he's all like not furry with feathers except for like a mohawk and a little patch on his back. Like an old man who has like a bunch of you know hair on the back of it the top of his back.
00:28:44
Speaker
You know what I mean? But you see at the beach on holiday. What he looks like. Oh my god. Now I'm not threatening. Now I'm picturing the T rex in a speedo. Yeah. Oh my god. I should Photoshop a speedo on him. Also, they said his roar was barely audible.
00:29:06
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which I can't even formulate that visual in my brain because I am a huge Jurassic Park fan. That roar was so scary.
00:29:19
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But anyway, yeah. Also, paleontologists believe that the dinosaur may have been freckled after the same structures that produced the melanin, the biological pigments that creates freckles in a tan, were actually found on a fossilized skin of a T. rex. He had red hair and freckles.
00:29:43
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But in the documentary, Chris Pakman wants everyone to know that T rex still can like be a threat like don't let the red hair and freckles and puffs of black feathers fool you because he can still crack bones and tear pieces away from body parts.
00:30:01
Speaker
and actually swallow them whole. So just like still as adorable and non threatening, especially with those little tiny arms. He still can like actually hurt you. So like, you know, approach with caution. He's so cute. I have to share this photo. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to. It's just, it's gonna it's gonna happen. It's gonna go down that way. Oh my god, I love it.
00:30:30
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Wow. Yeah, that was fun. That was quite the trip down down ginger animal lane. Yeah. Yeah, that was I had so much fun. I love talking about animals.
00:30:48
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I think it's great.
Conclusion and Future Topics
00:30:50
Speaker
And yeah, hey, thanks everyone for joining us on Laughing with Ginger's today. Yes. The podcast where we talk about red animals and then my red animal alarm goes off in the background at the end. I know. The mail is here. Oh, snap. Yeah. Follow us on Instagram at Laughing with Ginger's and I'll post the red headed T-Rex.
00:31:15
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00:31:25
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00:31:51
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That's right and laughing which injuries next week for some more good times.