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Ohio St. loses two coaches, plus more
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Don and Russ discuss the coaching changes at Ohio State, Michigan's new coach now under investigation, and a Potpourri of topics!
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Introduction to The NCAA Report
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The moment you've all been waiting for, here they are, your favorite host, Don Glenn.
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and Russ Robinson.
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Okay. All right, folks, it's time again. oh I do want to thank Devin Tynan for his golden tones of introducing our show. This is the NCAA report. And as always, I'm joined by my broadcast partner from the state of Missouri, the man himself, Russ Robinson. and Good evening, Don.
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How are you doing tonight? rosa You guys getting any good weather down there? Well, yeah, actually it's been, uh, we had a, I guess the last time we talked. We had a lot of cold weather down here. We even had some snow, but since then it's warmed up a little bit. It's become kind of acceptable. So today was in the fifties was supposed to be in the sixties by this weekend. So, I mean, we're, we're okay right now. That's cool. Yeah. We had, uh, we got, we warmed up a little bit ourselves, but we're right now expecting kind of but like an ice storm.
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Uh, right now. So we'll see, but that's only going to suppose it's only going to last maybe a day. And then it's going to be back up in into the mid forties, low fifties again. So, you know, I can, I can live with that for February. yeah bad tips I can handle those. Um,
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Well, I guess that was, we were talking a little bit before the show.
Ohio State's National Title Win
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Um, of course the Ohio state Buckeyes won the national championship. And I think we both, uh, kind of came down on that side of the, of the fence. Uh, I didn't think, um,
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They would do it quite the way they did. Um, but you know, it was, it was a good game for all practical purposes. And I think I don't know if it put any thing to rest. Um, you know, because there's still people out there and I'm still seeing stuff all over the place of, uh, of, um,
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People, now they're griping the schedules route for next year. And now they're griping that Ohio State's got an easy schedule next year when they play Penn State and Illinois and Texas.
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but Like, are you kidding me? Yeah. You know, um, there's one, I saw one meme out had Michigan at 12 and 0 next year and Ohio state at nine and five. I'm like, how are you going to lose five games? I just not seeing that one at all, but seven and five or whatever it was.
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Uh, but it was just kind of crazy. So this, you've seen all sorts of crazy stuff going on now, but, uh, there has been some news at Ohio state though. Um, you think, you know, you just won the national title and you know you've had a couple of weeks now to digest it and all that. And, uh, Ryan days had to replace or replacing two of his coordinators. Yeah. Well, you know, we had heard about chip Kelly. You had told me about the defensive coordinator and I wasn't really surprised Kelly left. I don't know if if Ryan, uh,
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day was disappointed or not by that if he was surprised. But just seeing that Chip Kelly's like what I didn't feel like he'd stay at Ohio State. You know, for very long. I mean, I think he wants to get back. Probably be a head coach if not in the NFL. Probably the power. Power four. Team certainly conference of someone somewhere where he can. You know, somewhere where you have a shot at what winning a national championship or something know like you did at Oregon. So I just didn't see. I didn't see that it's a long term situation for him. Yeah, I mean, when you've been a head coach before and with the success that that Kelly had, you know, dropping back to a coordinator role just. Yeah, it just doesn't seem like something. It's a long term career move, you know. Yeah, I think he's just rebuilding his you know his his chops, so to speak. You know he what did well at Oregon.
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They went from Morgan, he went to the Eagles, then the Philadelphia Eagles, I believe. Yeah. man and And that wasn't terribly successful. He wasn't a disaster, but it wasn't terribly so successful. Then he left there. I think he was at UCLA for a while, wasn't he? He was at UCLA. Yeah. Cause he was at UCLA. UCLA has become a ah tough place to win or at least win on the level they were.
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back when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s when they were, you know, they were one of the top programs in the Pac-12 or Pac-PM. Pac-8, whatever it was back then. yeah ah But, you know, he's out west. So I think he's just rebuilding his chops. If he's with a national championship team in Ohio State, and then he's moved on to back to the Raiders, if it's like you said, he's at the Raiders now.
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So I'll just say he's rebuilt his chops. He's looking for something better. yeah yeah so ah he You know, we might see him resurface in college football, depending, you know, just, uh, we'll have to see. Uh, but, uh, Ohio state also lost their, uh, defensive coordinator. Um, and as Jim Knowles, he's moved on to Penn state. That's interesting. Yeah.
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Um, yeah, I mean, I you mean, you know, like I said, Franklin's always had a pretty good stout de defense and I'm not sure what happened to their defensive coordinator. Uh, see if I can find it here on this quick and it's an article while we're talking. Uh, but yeah, Knowles, uh, leaving a, a national champion to join Franklin over at Penn state. You know, that's, uh, that's some big news. Um, I'm not
Coaching Changes at Ohio State
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sure what prompted that. I mean.
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Um, but know think maybe win for Franklin, uh, you know, it could be knows, and I'm just kind of guessing here, uh, that knows is, uh, looking to, he look at what he did in Ohio state. He was successful there. I think you could it was but pretty well agree with that. If he can do the same thing for Penn state, pin they can take a step further, uh, next year.
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Uh, and he's the defensive coordinator. It might bode well for him. If he wants a head coaching job somewhere, that might be, that might be his, he's trying to show he can do it at other places other than just Ohio state who has immense talent there. You know, they have a lot of talent they can recruit there. If he can do the same thing at Penn state, then he's going to, a lot of people might look at him for a head coaching job somewhere.
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Well, you know, Penn State, and I'm just kind of glancing an article here, you know, they've been a top 10 defense um for a long time, very consistently in that top 10. And, ah you know, Knowles are talking and this could put them into that realm of a top five, maybe a top three defense. yeah Plus, I think I just now saw this. yeah Here's one reason why he probably took the job at that Penn State, $3.1 million dollars a year.
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Well, yeah, that's pretty, it's a pretty good check for, for assistant coaching. Yeah. That'll, uh, that, that, that, that's my
Ohio State Player Departures
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sway me to go next. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and in a day might've decided, you know, he could replace knows what someone for.
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for less than $3.1 million. dollars well I'm sure, but I'm sure, they're not paying their assistance but yeah yeah I'm sure there's a number of assistants that'd be more than happy to take over that defensive.
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coordinator coordinator job there. Now, as far as the offense, I haven't seen anything on defensive coordinator, but as far as offensive coordinator, ah the Ohio State Buckeyes have replaced Chip Kelly. um It is the.
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Promote that their long time assistant Brian Hartline is now going to move into the offensive coordinator's position. He was the off OC in 2023 before he shifted to co-offensive coordinator and during when Kelly was there. So he's actually been.
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part of the coordinators duties, I guess, if you will, uh, even when Kelly was there, uh, but he coached the receivers since 2018. Uh, he's a top recruiter. And, uh, so they, Ryan day just probably felt okay. Just put him back in and let him run with it. Like I should have let him run with it in the first place. Well, you know, and if he's a top recruiter, Ryan day probably didn't want to lose them. Um, you know, so, uh,
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He lost Kelly, so he doesn't want to probably lose both those guys. So he move moves them up. It makes sense for continuity in that offense. so Well, I tell you what it's going to be. It's going to be kind of, um, uh, I won't say tough road to hole, but it's going to be something different for Ohio state is, you know, they're losing their starting quarterback, Will Howard and losing quench on Judkins as well as Trayvon, Trayvon Henderson. Um, so that's basically your entire backfield is gone. right He's going to have to start over with a new backfield next year. So we'll see how that pans out for them.
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Um, I did hear there was some rumblings and we talked about Michigan is still kind of, I guess, fighting the, uh, NCAA probe into the alleged, uh, sign stealing.
Michigan Sign Stealing Scandal
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Um, they are accusing the NCAA of grossly overreaching and wildly overcharging. Um, even though there is significant evidence that that's not, um,
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They, uh, yeah, August to 24, they were started the investigation. So this is now the the university's official response to that. And, you know, shock and horrors. They're actually objecting to the, uh, to, to that being the case. So we'll see what happens with that one too, down the road. yeah Um,
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I know Moore has now been also a little sideline here that he's also being investigated as well as signed stealing um even now that he's the head coach. So when they're I guess they're saying that it's continued even after Harbaugh left.
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ah Yeah, this is a new allegations. Michigan coach Sharron Moore facing allegations. He violated NCAA rules um related to an investigation to impermissible scout sign stealing. ah Oh, I guess, okay, they're just now they're just lumping him in along since Harbaugh's gone to the NFL and they can't punish him, they're going to go after Moore. Well, there you go. Yeah, ah yeah, they're probably mad that they couldn't get a hold of Harbaugh. You know, he he casually jumped to the NFL because he can.
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A lot of people want Harbaugh as their coach, so he can stake out the NFL. You know, Harbaugh's not a young guy anymore, not exactly. I guess he's in his 60s. That might be his last stop. I don't know. But anyway, yeah, I'm sure they're a little annoyed that they can't get their hands on Harbaugh. So they probably never will, because he's probably going to stay where he's at. He would probably not go back to college. Michigan was his That was his alma mater. Yes. So, you know, I don't know, you know, unless someone throws a lot of money at him, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I don't see. Yeah, I don't see that happening. You know, to bring him back in the NC. And like you said, he comes back in the NCAA, you know, that'll be the first thing they go after when they, when he comes back.
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is yeah they'll they'll go after sanctions on him just to prove a point, um you know, and in that respect. um I don't know. I mean, that I don't know. if i have in The SEC has actually been kind of quiet, really. I haven't heard much out of those guys since the the end of the the football playoffs.
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um You know, that hurt a lot from their fans, but yeah haven't heard much from those get from the sec. Although they have the recruiting, um, the 10 day, 10, uh, 10 late pickups or no, excuse me, the, uh, signing period.
Recruiting Rankings Overview
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Uh, they're talking about Billa check, uh, could pick up some late guys in that, uh,
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Tiny signing period the that he I don't know if he got how many he got but they're looking and looking at the ratings right now and Texas comes out number one Georgia to Alabama three as far as the who did the best in the early in the signing period. Ohio State four Oregon five Michigan six Auburn seven Florida eight Texas A and&M nine and LSU ten. So there's your top ten schools as far as the recruits coming in. it Looks like everybody nailed some five stars. Texas got five Georgia got five.
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Um, four star recruits, Texas had 14, Georgia had 20, Alabama got 60, they got three, five stars. uh... house they can three five-star so there's a dinner there's a few uh... that didn't get much uh... i don't know where since they were are two favorite alma all i will say alma mater's is only the one of us what the that the schools men are two favorite schools here let's see uh... uh... yeah when i'm not finding you know when i'm real here illinois is forty fifth with twenty two commits and
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and
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I hadn't looked too closely. They got to be in the top 100. I can't. I must have missed them up earlier. They've got to be up here. Oh, there they are. Missouri's 20th with 18 commits. Okay. That sounds about right. I know what they were expecting. Right. Yeah, I don't know.
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a lot of you will depend on how they get rated on their transfer portal grabs. Oh yeah. That, that still has yet to play out as well. You're right. yeah And then you've got the, the, the fall of the spring signing period, you know, uh, and that's the one thing, I guess that's the one thing I really have a problem with with the, with the transfer portal.
Football Transfer Portal Debate
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You know, I've talked about it before is why football gets two. Cause they get one after the season's over.
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and right before all the bowl games, and then they get one in the spring. you know And I've never really understood why football, gets because no other sport, no other sport gets to. No. No. And I think the coaches are ready to, would like to put a stop to that. But I don't know, I don't know Don why they do that unless it's a,
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I see NCAA feels like there's some legal reason, but if the other sports aren't getting it, I don't know why they give it. to Yeah, I mean, but it it would make it. If you're going to do it for football like that, where it's end of the season and then then why don't you do a basket? If you're going to do the transfer portal at the end of basketball, then do it, say a couple months before the school starts.
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Right. Or, you know, I just don't understand why football gets that, that advantage or i to me, actually, I think it's a disadvantage. Cause like you, like you, we have seen, you see a lot of kids transferring out. So, you know, and what happened to Florida state two years ago, uh, you know, losing what 12 players to the, to the portal right before the bowl game against Georgia.
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Yeah. Well, in Alabama, lost some players in this going up against Michigan in that bowl game. you know Illinois, when we like ah two years ago when we played as a Mississippi State, a Ole Miss, one of the two, um you know we had are are basically our but whole secondary bolted out either for the NFL or for the transfer portal.
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So I don't know what the exit, again, I think when we're talking the portal, I think we're also gonna have to start including NIL with it. And I think that's gonna dictate a lot of this portal stuff. Oh, sure sure. But I think also, and I've written about it a little bit. um I really think what needs to happen is when they start thinking about how they redo the transfer portal, how they redo NIL, I really think they need to look at
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limiting the portal in a way where it doesn't limit the athlete's ability to move as if he needs to, but stop this willy-nilly, you know, stop this going. yeah In other words, if if a kid wants to go from Texas to Missouri or some other school,
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You know, just because Missouri can offer him more NIL shouldn't be the reason. I mean, there should be some a different reason or ah a reason that's a little bit more.
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I don't want to say it, life impacting, if you will, you know, the change of a coach, um, maybe, and you could have like what's going on. And we might, we might get to this later on too, is with all these conference realignments, maybe they jumped into it the school, jumped into a conference. The kid doesn't like.
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that doesn't want to play it. so yeah so And I can see that as ah as a motivation to transfer. But just because you're going to get a better deal um ah because the Big Ten is affiliated with Nike and you can get a Nike deal as opposed to a Puma deal. You know, I mean, I don't know what team wears Pumas anymore, but hey, I'm just throwing a spitballing out there. um Yeah, i i I think that's going to have to be the part and parcel of it. If if you're going to transfer out, NIL cannot be part of the deal. but That cannot be part of the reason why you're leaving. And I don't know i don't know if they'll ever be able to do it.
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um It would take, like I said, it would take a lot of cooperation by oh a lot of NCAA, not only coaches, but administrators, college presidents. um you know So we'll just see how all that how that goes out. Sorry, I we kind of went on my soapbox there again.
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But I think a lot of it will be how they parse it with the laws and
Impact of NIL Deals and Transfer Portals
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legally. you know I don't know how much they can stop a kid from, if he can transfer it well, how they can stop it for NILs. Especially the NILs play a factor. It's going to play such a big factor. So it'd be interesting to see. It's going to take some coordination between the not just the college football, but also the I guess, you know, the legal, you know, the Congress and whoever gets involved. is it's It's going to be, I think it'll be complicated to deal with, but I don't see a changing in the foreseeable future, Don. I just think there's too much legality to it that and I just don't know how they're going to deal with it without help from Congress. And I just don't know you'll be dealt with any time in the foreseeable future. We will probably be living with this for a while.
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Oh, I, I, I, I definitely agree with that for sure. Um, okay. Well, I tell you what, uh, when let's take a quick little break here for our, our sponsor. And then when we get back, maybe we'll, we'll, maybe we'll talk a little bit about realignment, what we would like to see. Cause I saw a few, a map out there the other day that I think is just outrageously stupid, but, uh,
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And we are back. Um, this is Don Glenn, along with my partner, Russ Robinson. This is the NCAA report.
Conference Realignment Challenges
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And, uh, I kind of hinted at a little bit of a college, um, the, the, uh, realignments that have been going on and are ongoing and are going to continue to go on. Uh, I know there's still, there's still, uh, alignments that are set for.
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2025, 2026, um, you know, uh, with the pack 12, because, uh, you know, those four schools right now that are joining the, that group, I guess I heard, I saw where it said to lane, uh, and one other school officially, uh, uh, said no to the pack 12. Hmm. Um,
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Yeah. And the mountain West now has to, of course, realign with, with, it's going to be losing the player or the teams that it's losing. Um, because, you know, you got, uh, Boise state, Colorado state, Fresno state, Utah state, San Diego state are going to move that to the pack 12, you know, joining Washington state and Oregon state. How the Dallas call that the state conference.
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Yeah, like and not you know, you know, Lure Arizona state and, uh, you know, New Mexico state, maybe, and they can have the state conference. Um, but they're going to have to be doing some scrambling to bring some, uh, teams in. Um, and you know, we, we talked all along and I saw this the other day too, on somebody on i think this on Facebook, um, saying, you know, is.
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Stanford and Cal, are they going to stay in the ACC now after they've got their collective butts handed to them this year and with all the expenses of trying to travel and play games on the East Coast when they're a West Coast team, they don't, it you know, the ACC doesn't have anything in the middle part of the country unlike the big 10, the SEC and the big 12. Right, right. Yeah, I don't know. I never saw how that would be feasible for those schools.
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to join the ACC and in you know in all the sports and travel back and forth. um Yeah, I didn't see that, but you know I guess we'll we'll see how it holds up with the conference realignment. someone might They might find something more desirable too.
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I'm not sure how that ACC TV contracts do. they But what I mean, the ACC network. I just heard that's just not going very well. And I think that's one of the reasons Florida State and Clemson are unhappy. So you never know what's goingnna but how this is going to impact the realignment. you know Well, they only got 30% of the share ah moving to the ACC for the first seven years.
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Oh, really? Yeah. that According to what I just read, just unfortunately, both Cal and Stanford deal came with a caveat that received just a 30% share of accp ACC payouts for the next seven years in the conference. The number jumps to 70% in year eight, 75% in year nine, and in full financial shares after year 10. Hmm. Wow.
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That might have been a defensive move since ah when the Pac-10, Big 10, picked off those four other schools. Right. to right Drew them out. like Might have just been a defensive move on to go somewhere to get get something out of the deal. Because they might have found themselves with a Washington State and Oregon State. I mean, they probably didn't want to do that. so Well, I mean, you know it to to me, I think of it almost It would almost behoove them to to try to record the Pac-12 and go back because I'm looking here at, they're talking about the, who was it? The Cal volleyball team, women's volleyball team. Finally said they learned the hard way what a cross country travel meant.
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When an emergency landing turned a trip to Florida state into a 24 hour ordeal, they went on to lose to the Seminoles and straight sets. Stanford, meanwhile, then took a four hour plane ride followed by a four hour bus ride to Notre Dame before having a 10 8 10 PM practice. Oh my goodness. And then they were later scheduled to fly for Dallas for a game against SMU to return to Palo Alto and then fly to Pittsburgh two days later.
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Yeah, it seems ridiculous. I mean, that that's, that much money on the nine especially when that's a non-revenue sport. Yeah. Yeah. When you're talking to non-revenue sport like volleyball, I mean, that's just, uh, so I don't know. I mean, we'll see him with some more. I said, I saw, and I can't find it right now, but there was a guy that put out on Facebook, this, uh, his idea, if he were the czar, how the next playoff football playoff would look like. And he realigned the big 10 SEC, ACC, and big 12.
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And what I remember about it is he took, um, Maryland Rutgers, uh, the four big pack, 12 schools and Northwestern out of the big 10, um, well, and Nebraska out of the big 10, drop them, uh, in other conferences, um, put Northwestern as an independent.
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kept Penn State. And then in the SEC, he moved Missouri back to the Big 12. He moved Nebraska back to the Big 12. Or well, yeah they were not Nebraska, but they moved Missouri back to the Big 12. I think he put Texas back in the Big 12.
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um I mean, he, and he just had it all. I mean, this thing was just a joke. Um, and he was, he was, uh, he was thoroughly lambasted for it. Thank God for small papers. But, you know, I do see, I do see a possibility where we were, when we may be looking at, and I don't know who, whether it'll be the college, uh,
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um ADs that get it together and whatnot, but I do see probably at some time Eventually, maybe you're gonna see more of a congruent rule coming through. Uh, cause like we say with the, with the, with the Cal and Stanford being the ACC, you've got, you know, PAC 12 or former PAC 12 teams, UCLA, Oregon, Trent or traveling all the way to Maryland and New Jersey to play football or basketball. Um, you know, you look at the SCC, the SCC and the big 12 are the only really power, uh, big conferences that are congruent.
00:34:24
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I mean, that have a natural, um, uh, flow to them as far as, as far as things go. So I, I don't know how it's going to play out, but they just, it was an interesting thought to bring up. Uh, you got something about, uh, some lawsuits going on with the NCAA. Well, yeah. Uh, the NCAA apparently are the, uh, uh, let me pull that up.
NIL Back Pay Lawsuit
00:34:50
Speaker
right on The NCAA apparently had a $2.8 billion dollar lawsuit. there was a and the so was jesus We were talking about that. It was a big lawsuit with a with the NCAA case in Northern florida in a northern California Court that sent $2.8 billion dollars in back pay to a class of athletes who weren't able their first couple of years in college to take advantage of NIL because they didn't have them. So they just settled in. It's about $135,000 to each each
00:35:35
Speaker
player that was involved. A group of 67 players has ah opted out of that and they're filing their own lawsuit and they want something they think they should get more than 135,000 and it's 67 athletes and it was in the St. Louis post-dispatch so i I'll reference people to that and one of one of the players is a center for Mizzou this year And there were some other, there are three St. Louis University players involved in it. So it's a new lawsuit. And so it's about back pay on NILs that they didn't get a chance to to take advantage of it. And they're feeling like that what was settled by the NCAA isn't enough.
00:36:21
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per player, so they want more. They're probably seeing players coming in now getting a whole lot more than $135,000 for their college deal. So they may feel like they earned they they deserve more. So it's it's a as el Eli Drinkwood said in a press conference after the season was, it's a wild west out there.
00:36:43
Speaker
so yeah Oh, and it is. pretty it Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm kind of referencing a different, uh, article on the Senate, what you're just talking about. Yeah. Um, it looks like there's, uh,
00:37:00
Speaker
yeah, you said 67 athletes. Uh, they filed a complaint January 31st with similar antitrust allegations as the first complaint. So. Yeah, I mean, that's that that one's not going away anytime soon because they still have yet to do the, on the first complaint, I think the final hearing on that's not set, is set for April 7th. So they've still got a couple months before they even actually get the final hearing on the on the first complaint. And now they've already got a second complaint coming out. yeah yeah it's It's not gonna be, it's not gonna be solved anytime soon. That's best for sure about it. That's for sure about it. Well, let's switch to a little basketball.
00:37:38
Speaker
Um, it's, uh, I mean, it's, it's early still.
SEC's Rising Basketball Power
00:37:43
Speaker
I mean, well, not early mid season, I guess you want to call it. Um, and, uh, you know, there, I'm never, I just watched, I got no watchers while we were on, I was kind of halfway looking at the Oregon, Michigan game. And, uh, now I got Illinois Rutgers on the TV behind me. Um, but, uh,
00:38:05
Speaker
You know, that I think we're seeing, if I'm trying to trying to access the, and I just killed i killed the wrong goose here. um There I go back. um The top 25. I mean, it has it hasn't switched much and you still got a lot of the normal characters, if you will. Let's see where the rankings are at. Okay, your AP top 25.
00:38:31
Speaker
Uh, it's still very heavy and we talked about this the last time. It's very heavy. That top 10 is the SEC top 10. Really? Uh, you've got Auburn number one, Duke comes in at number two, but you've got Alabama three, Tennessee four, uh, Houston's five, Florida is six, Purdue seven, Iowa state is eight, Michigan state nine, Texas A and&M is 10. So again, you got one, two, three, four, five, half of the top 10 is SEC.
00:39:01
Speaker
who You know, and I'd like you and I talked last time, you know, it's kind of, we're kind of getting a role reversal going on here. Whereas the SEC has always been the top football conference. You've had all the top 10 teams, you know, the majority of the top 10 was SEC. And, you know, is in basketball was a big 10 ACC. Well, I think you're seeing a reversal of that now with what, only one.
00:39:28
Speaker
one ACC team and and one, two big 10 teams in the top 10. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, well, I think, and we might have talked about this last time, Don, the transfer reporter evens out a lot of things. You know, yeah we we said college football, how the SEC, you know, all of a sudden all these other, the big,
00:39:54
Speaker
Ohio State and Penn State and you know the number of schools a big 10 put in or some of these other schools did. SEC doesn't dominate so much anymore because in football because of the transfer portal these players that were at an SEC school they can they can just as easy go to another with the transfer portal they can just go to another school they don't feel like they're getting enough playing time or enough money or whatever. um And I think the same way it's working for the SEC in basketball, they're finding a lot of guys transferring over to the SEC, so it kind of balances things out. I do know the SEC a few years ago but but had been very disappointed with their NCAA number of teams they were getting in.
00:40:39
Speaker
and the number of teams that were advancing. So the Greg, thank you, to the commissioner challenged the schools to start putting more resources into basketball, and they did. yeah And so I think that's what you're seeing now. And it's kind of ah came to a head, so to speak, this season. I mean, all these schools have just elevated their game in basketball quite a bit. so You know, I think that's, I think that's what's happened now. And I think the SEC, they were talking about the NCAA tournament. They're talking about ah possibly 13 teams getting in. I think that's a little high, but I don't see why 11 won't get in.
00:41:18
Speaker
so well yeah i mean um Yeah, if you look at the standings, just, uh, you know, just take a, I'm taking a quick look here. Um, you know, I think the last time we talked half of the, or no, 14 of the, uh, SCC teams had, um, what double digit wins were well over, uh, 12 or 13 wins. Let's see if I can.
00:41:43
Speaker
Boy, there is a lot more competition in basketball than our football. ah Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, you got Auburn at 21 and 1. Alabama's at 19 and 3. And your Tigers are sitting there at 17 and 4. Florida's 19 and 3. Texas is 17 and 5. I mean, I'm going down all, even South Carolina, the lowest team in the league who does not have a conference victory has 10 wins this right now at this point in the season. Yeah.
00:42:12
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A lot of them did very well in the non-conferences. Then they hit hit the conference season. so Tennessee was a former number one number one when we played them and they they're now five and four in conference, 18 and four overall.
00:42:30
Speaker
um you know and and i say I will say this, what I'm seeing here also is um
00:42:40
Speaker
don't go to, don't, if you're another, if you're an opposing conference, don't try and play and win a game on the road at the SC in the sec because some of these home win totals are just outstanding. Yeah. Um, especially when you're talking, like you said, the non-conference part. Um, so, but yeah, I, I, you look at some of these other conferences and I, you know, Utah state's a 20 win team right now. Uh, Drake is 20 as 21 wins.
00:43:09
Speaker
You know, we're not, I'm looking and trying to find some of these other bigger conferences with, with 20 win teams. And I think big 10 it's got one or two, I think. Yep. No big 10 doesn't even have one, uh, Purdue minute to Purdue, Michigan state and Wisconsin are the top, uh, victory getters in the big 10. They've only got 18 wins.
00:43:35
Speaker
Um, so, you know, your, uh, St. John's is at 20 wins. So, you know, there's a lot of teams in there. If you look at the, uh, they've got the early bubble watch now, of course, or we're six weeks from the tournament. Uh, they're already got the, uh, right now the first four in, uh, yeah, the last four in Georgia wake forest pit and BYU.
00:44:01
Speaker
First four out are Central Florida, SMU, Indiana, and USC. And the next four out are Nebraska, Arkansas, Xavier, and North Carolina. They don't feel, they don't, not too much love going to this a couple of blue bloods there, it looks like. Right, right. You know, North Carolina, USC, Indiana, not getting a lot of love in that respect.
00:44:23
Speaker
um You know, I I kind of like following some of this bracket ology stuff when it gets this early because it's like, okay um I just kind of love to see how they what they're figuring their progression on these teams are gonna be because you look at This we'll just pick a team here, you know look at Well, let's just look at wake force consider a they a team they they right now wait forces eight and three in conference sixteen and six overall and
00:44:55
Speaker
But if you look at what the schedule they got coming up, what they've got left is at Stanford, at Cal versus Florida State, at SMU. and There's a team that did it at NC State. you know i don't that The toughest team they got coming up in the rest of their schedule is Duke and near the end of the season.
00:45:20
Speaker
you know, who's you know they guaranteed they can make a run at the tournament with that kind of a schedule. ah right and um So, but to sit there and say they're our first four out is like or they're a next four in. Well, OK, yeah, with this schedule they really could be. um But I think like you said, I think seriously though we do. They do need to take a look down at that. You know, stop maybe stop with some of this early stuff. It's well, it's like after the bowl games were done and the national championship was was playoffs were going. um The.
00:45:54
Speaker
way as they called it the way too early top 25 came out in Texas. Number one is like, okay, why are we even talking about it when we hadn't even finished this yet? So I think sometimes the pollsters in that and in efforts to try and get things juiced up, I think they juiced it a little too much. brought Right. Right. You too. I do too. Yeah, it's too early for it's too early for the input be talking about next year for college football, sparking rain rankings and all that.
SEC's NCAA Tournament Prospects
00:46:22
Speaker
Uh, yeah, so, you know, I don't know, Donna, I think that, uh, I think we're, it's, you know, we can probably pretty well feel that the SEC is going to have a lot of teams in the NCAA tournament, but it's awful early to get a good feel on, um,
00:46:41
Speaker
on who's going to be the number one oh the balance of things. I think it's just there's a lot of conference play to be played out with all the conferences and yeah kind of wait and see. It's an interesting thought you had on the blue, blue, but blood blue bloods.
00:46:57
Speaker
You know, Kansas is not really at its peak right now. No, me and North Carolina is struggling. Kentucky is about a right now. Honestly, they're playing like a mid level SEC team. They are not the top in the conference. They've got knocked around pretty good and that leaves Duke, who is really doing fairly well this year, but there and UCLA is you know they're OK, but you know the old Blue Bloods are just not what they used to be so.
00:47:24
Speaker
Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, you're a hundred percent right. I mean, you look at, I just looked at the big 10 now Purdue, I, you know, not a blue, but, but they've been, they've been a ah ah decent team and, and been near the the last years. They've been a a a juggernaut as far as the big 10 is concerned. Uh, but you look at like Michigan, I mean, they're having a decent season right now, but you know, they've lost a a couple of games recently. Um.
00:47:52
Speaker
You look at Ohio state there, they've got six losses in conference in the big, in the big 10 right now, Illinois is getting their butt handed to him by Rutgers 19 to six. Well, that's early. Yeah. Yeah. It's still early in the game, but you know, but, uh, but like you say, you look at, um,
00:48:12
Speaker
USC, UCLA, like you said, both of them, you and I were growing up, you know, those were teams that, you know, everybody was trying to beat and, you know, they're both, I mean, they're both doing okay in the big 10. I mean, UCLA is actually eight or four, fifth in the big 10, 17 to six are all eight and four in the conference. But USC is five and six in the conference and 13 and nine.
00:48:38
Speaker
Wow. yeah Overall, um ah you said Kansas there seven and four in the big 12 and 16 and six overall. wrong like I don't remember the last time I saw Kansas was with six losses. Yeah, I know they.
00:48:53
Speaker
Uh, you know, I don't know what's going on over there. If there's anything to be concerned about, just a down year. Uh, but, uh, you know, it's, uh, the blue bloods aren't as dominant as they used to be. And it's really kind of surprising to see how North Carolina has kind of fallen off too. So, I mean, you know, there you go.
00:49:13
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And you look at the big East, there's you know, you've always had some traditional big, big guns coming out of there. Yukon is 16 and six overall, eight and three in their conference.
00:49:24
Speaker
um Georgetown has been down for a number of years now. Creighton seems to be the new cream of the crop over there. They're 16 and 6, 9 and 2. St. John's is kind of have a resurgence. They used to be a pretty decent program, but they're they're leading that conference at 11 and 1 and 20 and 3. Like I said, you got Yukon, Xavier, Villanova, all of them are middle of the pack.
00:49:51
Speaker
ah right And which is, I don't know, I don't know if you want to say it's disturbing, but like you said, and you look at the ACC dukes on top, the ACC, but you go down to try and find North Carolina and they're what? Third, four, five, six. There's seventh in the ACC. yeah Um, Boston colleges and NC state are almost at the bottom of the conference. Virginia is near the bottom of the conference. Um, so yeah, I mean.
00:50:20
Speaker
yeah like you said and and i think again we have to put it back where where it it sits and i think it sits a lot with the transfer portal and nil and just how things how much things are changing almost on a daily basis exactly exactly yeah yeah so well but um i think we've probably gone about as exhausted everything we can for tonight so i'm gonna let you go we're gonna we're gonna call it a night so um As always, where can people find my broadcast partner?
Russ's Social Media
00:50:55
Speaker
Well, I'm Afar Robinson1957, Uncle Frank on X, and I'm also on floating around the ah Facebook groups, Mizzou Facebook groups, and I'm on Blue Sky, Russ57 on Blue Sky. So ah that's a new, I don't know, that's a new social media
00:51:18
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't checked it out yet. I need to get i need to look over look that over. But there's a lot of people over there, got a lot of people moving over there, and it's kind of an interesting place to be. So anyway, I'm trying it out, and I like it. so yeah One thing before we go, I just want to make mention. um I don't need normally get we don't normally do political stuff here but uh I did see where president trump today signed an executive order that uh to basically I don't know all the wording of it but basically to um prohibit men from participating in women's sports. but Yeah. So, you know, see how that holds up legally. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know myself um but you know II
00:52:03
Speaker
To me, they mean its to me, it's common sense. I mean, but you know, then again, what do I know? So well it's yeah, you can understand why some of the women in the sports don't really feel like it's fair to have a former man in there.
00:52:19
Speaker
uh, compete, compete against them. Yeah. But I don't know how executive order is what the legality of it is. You know, I mean, I mean, they, they, they kind of sort of have a preference of law, but they're not really a law because it was never passed by Congress and the Congress can pass laws. So, you know, yeah but it is, you know, it is kind of something that I guess a Congress can use as a precursor to say, okay, well, there's an executive order. Let's codify it and they can do it that way. but I just thought that was kind of interesting note for sporting news coming out of
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00:52:49
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00:53:14
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00:53:58
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00:54:17
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