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Open Mic 10: Chick Foley and Heel Husband
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On this episode of Open Mic, The MVP sits down with his two favorite people, Sheena aka “Chick Foley” and Seth Phelps aka “The Heel Husband”! We take a stroll down memory lane to the early beginnings of the Chick Foley Show. We then discuss how they met, athletics, parenting, and much more!
Find all things Chick at CHICKFOLEY.com
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Transcript
Introduction to Milestone Episode
00:00:02
Speaker
Who the hell told you tonight was open mic night? Oh, it's that time again. It's
Storyline Insights and 'Three Episode Curse'
00:00:24
Speaker
open mic.
00:00:25
Speaker
with the MVP Marco. Episode 10, I'm in the double digits. I made it out of that, this is a recurring thing. If you listen to the show, it's kind of like a storyline I have going. I bring back stuff from the old episodes, so if you're not familiar, you can go back and listen. I try to reference as much as I can, but we spoke about the three episode curse where most people don't make it past three episodes, but here I am in the double digits.
00:00:52
Speaker
And I'm like 10 years old. I do have the brain of a 10-year-old, so that kind of matches up. But anyway,
Guest Introductions: Sheena and Seth
00:01:00
Speaker
we'll get to the show. I have some special guests, plural today. One recurring guest, the first time ever returning guest. And the other one is a brand new guest. They're kind of a tandem. They roll together.
00:01:18
Speaker
They're probably the A-Team when it comes to podcasting. As far as the Pod Foundation goes, it's the flagship people. I know I'm giving away hints that you're probably going to know already.
00:01:32
Speaker
And the other thing is these people are, you know, the reason why I'm sitting here today. So I like to welcome Sheena and Seth. Hello. Doing
Delayed Invitation Back: Humor and Tension
00:01:42
Speaker
good. I feels good to be the first recurring guest, you know, on the 10th episode. This is a special episode. So, you know, I'm glad to make my appearance again on open mic.
00:01:52
Speaker
Yeah, and I was starting to get a little bit hot, man, as week by week, episode by episode went off. And I still wasn't getting that invite, man. So I was starting to think maybe we had some heat, man. I knew it. But no, I'm happy to be here, and I'm looking forward to this.
00:02:05
Speaker
I mean there was a little heat when I got the notification in my messenger that there was an episode of Open Mic that I was not on.
00:02:25
Speaker
It was funny. It was like, huh? It definitely took inspiration out of the interview because we don't typically do interview style on the Chick Foley network.
Inspiration from Guest Appearances
00:02:31
Speaker
And we gave all the credit. We didn't try to just, like, act like it wasn't a thing. We definitely made sure to let everybody know that, you know, if you like this, go check out Open Mic.
00:02:40
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. It was a great episode. Definitely check that out. I was kind of like busting balls a little bit because I was like, I was like, are they removing me? Am I not doing the open mic? I didn't get an email or a message yet. We didn't do our conversation with Dan, but yeah, I don't think interview is really, it's not our forte. We were definitely getting it together on that conversation. It was great though. I mean, it's fun.
00:03:07
Speaker
Yeah, no, I thought it was a really good interview. I think definitely, I know a lot of people would want you guys to do more, or check fully as a collective. The actual show do a lot more interviews. I know Tom, we spoke with that last week. He wanted to be on the show.
Anecdotes from Soap Opera Magazines
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Speaker
I know that was a thing we've been trying to do with Tom.
00:03:25
Speaker
You know, he's a he's a very busy man. If you listen to that last open mic episode, he's a he's a man about town. That's right. There's a lot of people in the foundation family. He is. He was like the man of mystery. Do you never know what's going on with Tom? Yeah, he wrote for he did photography for soap opera magazines back in the in the 80s, early 90s. Like, yeah, I would not have expected that at all from Tom. The man needs to write a book.
00:03:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, how do you know this person? He just pops up with different names of people, and he's still friends with everyone. But I'm glad to have you on. I knew Seth was figuring out why the hell he hasn't eaten. I was going to actually have the Pod Warriors on as a tandem. That might still
Future Plans: Pod Warriors Episode
00:04:12
Speaker
happen, obviously. You can still do the Pod Warriors. That would be an enjoyable episode. Those two are probably fighting by the end of the interview, but it would be great. We have a lot of history to draw upon.
00:04:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah, definitely. No, that's what I was kind of like, drilling on that, like, hopefully not breaking up the pod warriors, because I know you guys can get, you know, if you listen to the show, you guys can get a little crazy with each other. So I don't want my show to be the beginning and end. It'll be the barbershop. We go like the rockers.
00:04:43
Speaker
Oh, that'd be great.
Balancing Family and Creative Work
00:04:46
Speaker
I just wanted to start off because we talked about this when me and Tom talked about our wives supporting what we do as far as collecting and doing the podcast and all that stuff. It does take time.
00:05:02
Speaker
away from your significant other or friends and family or what have you. But obviously, you guys are in a different area where you're together. So I want to take it back a little bit to the beginning of the Chick-Fully podcast, stuff like that.
00:05:20
Speaker
How did how did you manage that? Like, what was your, you know, what were your thoughts going into like, you know, China doing an actual podcast, you know, taking the chick Foley Instagram account and making it, you know, putting it out there into the into the into the interwebs.
00:05:35
Speaker
So when her original co-host hit her up about doing the show, she immediately reached out to me, because we had talked about maybe doing a podcast something before, because we always talk so much wrestling amongst each other. And we had
Chick-Fully Podcast Origins
00:05:48
Speaker
really good wrestling friends. Obviously, you weren't a part of our lives yet, but we had Jordan and a few others that we just always seemed like we were having an ongoing conversation with.
00:05:58
Speaker
But you know what he kind of gave the nudge to like yeah let's make this happen he did a lot of the early legwork on it and I was still kind of behind the scenes then man I was putting together the formats for them and just helping out with research and kind of just like the structure and different segments of the show.
00:06:15
Speaker
everything but just I didn't know the technical side of it because I had like zero experience podcasting but I was just all about it you know I we were in Hawaii so it was really awkward because to kind of make it work with you know but I think like you know eight nine ten o'clock or come like the primetime podcast hours Sheena's co-host on the East Coast so that meant that Sheena was podcasting at like 4 30 in the afternoon so I would always take breath the babyface really had one kid at the time but I
00:06:39
Speaker
Me and him would go for a nice long walk around the island that we lived on in Hawaii to give her the silence that she needed to knock it out.
Behind-the-Scenes Role in Podcasting
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Speaker
But it was always something cool. And like I said, I kind of just kept up behind the scenes and helped just... I don't know if producer might be kind of overstating it a little bit what I was doing, but I was definitely just kind of helping out her and the original co-host with the, like I said, with the format.
00:07:04
Speaker
Yeah. I, yeah, it was, it was nice having him on board. Cause like I had, I mean, Brett was only like two months old at the time whenever I started the chick Foley show. He was a year. This was 2018. Oh yeah. Right after we got back from Kauai. So he's a year old, but still a baby. Yes. Still a baby. Yeah. So, um, I don't know what I was thinking in October. Yeah. So yeah, you're right. He was like a year old. So, um, yeah, I mean, I had my hands full with a one year old and you know, it's just super busy and, uh, having Seth be able to just like put the format together, you know, obviously I was watching all.
00:07:33
Speaker
I mean wrestling, it was really nice to watch wrestling on the island because you could watch it early on in the day and still have the rest of your night to go.
00:07:40
Speaker
Yeah. To be able to just kind of like throw some topics together and help me out in that way. Like it was, it was so helpful. And it was still pretty similar, man. Like that format is pretty much stuck to kind of the format that we use now weekly on the Chick Foley show where, you know, we'd kind of just, we'd have like the big topics of the week. And then I would try to just come up with a few bullet points of like, you know, like critical thinking style questions, just kind of spark the conversation and get it going. Yeah.
00:08:06
Speaker
Yeah, cuz I remember when I came in I started doing the format and I was was it like was it just like f this This is gonna be one the few times I break kayfabe I hardly ever talk about like my regular life on podcasting as you know, my podcasting character is pretty much just wrestling fan and that's it but so I am active duty in the Navy and Right around the time you came on
00:08:33
Speaker
I was going out to sea, right? I was actually on sea duty. I was working on a ship.
Podcast Production Challenges
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Speaker
So there'd be a lot of times where I was going out for three or four weeks. So I just wasn't available to help support Sheena and Phil, man. So I think you were really kind of like a godsend for them to come in and be that third person. Because it's a lot of work, man. That's the thing we say to you. We're at, I think, almost 300 episodes right now on the Chick Foley show.
00:08:57
Speaker
Dude, it's hard just showing up week after week and putting out content. To do a podcast is easy, right? You can make a SoundCloud account or an anchor account and plug in a microphone to your computer and you can make a podcast. What's tough is putting in the work to have a solid hour of audio
00:09:18
Speaker
It's going to engage people make them want to listen week after week after week That's why we've always saluted like fully poseable for being like, you know The Cal Ripken's of the podcast game because they've never missed a week and going on six years now Yeah, and it's not just the hour that you have to record because you know Sometimes that's that's not even the issue is finding the hour to record like I mean the dedication is sitting down when you're just tired at the end of the day like yeah that does take dedication but just Keeping up with everything throughout the week based on whatever your podcast is about, you know Just keeping up with the topics keeping up with the news
00:09:48
Speaker
I mean, you're putting in hours every week of just like mental bandwidth to be able to put a podcast together like this.
Engaging Content Across Formats
00:09:55
Speaker
So yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, especially because like for me, I never take it for granted that people are going to give up their time to listen to our show. You know what I mean? Like we get, I mean, obviously we're not
00:10:09
Speaker
We're not like one of the biggest shows in the world, but we do have a solid following. So there's, you know, several thousand people every week that are taking the time to listen to our podcast. I don't think that for granted. Think about nowadays, man. You have basically at your fingertips, any movie, any TV show that's ever been out, you know, you got video games, you got all this kind of stuff that you could occupy your time with. So I just have nothing but love and appreciation. I'm continually humbled by the people that choose to
00:10:35
Speaker
you know, spend an hour, hour and a half with whatever we're putting out week after week. And so that's why we've always made sure that we want to put out something of quality. You know, we want to give you something to kind of engage some thought, make you, you know, really appreciate wrestling more and give you, hopefully give you a few laughs, you know? Yeah. And just give you the fans perspective because, you know, there's like wrestlers out there that have podcasts. There's, you know, people that are inside the business that have podcasts, but we're just, you know, regular normal fans wrestling podcast. That's what it says on the, on the Patreon banner.
00:11:02
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. So just giving you the fans perspective and kind of like what our opinions are, which are no means expert opinions, you know, but it's just, I feel like we put out a good product and we're really grateful to everybody that listens and supports us and, you know, engages with the show.
00:11:19
Speaker
Yeah, I think I definitely think that's something, uh, you know, that was kind of do like in the sense where, you know, we, I have this show, you have the pod warriors, you know, you guys do like, you know, those quick episodes and stuff like that. I think.
00:11:34
Speaker
Just doing the same, like you said, doing the same kind of content every week, it is a lot of work. And I think if you like kind of change it up, kind of like we're doing now with these different types of shows, I think that, you know, it spreads the family a lot better and it, you know, it gives a lot of different, hopefully a lot more newer followers and newer listeners and stuff like that to a different content
Organic Pre-show Conversations
00:11:58
Speaker
that we have. And you can dive deeper into certain things, you know, and kind of just,
00:12:02
Speaker
Scratch other itches you know like the interview it's you know you got the pod warriors that are deep diving on you know one topic all yeah one topic Yeah, cuz like when we do the regular chick Foley show there's stuff every week that we cut man like when we're kind of I mean Marco you know this so this is just for the listeners like when we're kind of bullshitting like before the show like
00:12:20
Speaker
Every single time, there's always something where we're like, you know, are we going to discuss this? And it's either like, you know, we'll get, you know, a 45 second quick hitter in on it, or it's like, no, it's just not enough time, man, because there's just so much going on in the wrestling world every single week.
00:12:36
Speaker
Yeah, I said that to the Chads for the turnbuckle tavern when I had them on. I was like, I always wanted to do like a pre-show show where it's like the stuff that we talk about before the actual shows recorded because that's the most... And it doesn't have to be a long episode. It can be like a...
00:12:57
Speaker
like 10, 15, you can probably compile all the episodes for the month and make one episode. It doesn't have to be a weekly thing, just to give the behind the scenes things. And they're like, oh my God, that'd be great. Because they even said that. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't make it to the actual episode itself. I think that's all I hold before. Because I'm typically, it's part of my gimmick now. I don't think I've ever been on time for a podcast, whether it's one that I'm hosting or a guest on.
00:13:23
Speaker
I always got a million things going on, so I end up showing up late. And I'm typically fiddle-fucking with the soundboard and getting all of our audio drops loaded and stuff while we're all just going back and forth with the banter. And there's been plenty of times where we've had to stop ourselves and be like, yo, let's save it for the air. Yeah, let's save it for the air. Because we really get some rich conversation going. Yeah. And you can never recreate it. Once you have that organic conversation, if you try to recreate it on the air, it's just not the same. So yeah.
00:13:50
Speaker
like minimize what we discuss before we start recording because yeah we've had some excellent conversations and then we forget to even talk about that thing on the show you know so
00:14:01
Speaker
Yeah, we did that a few times before Seth came on. Me and Sheena would be just waiting. Yeah. We'd have a full 20-minute conversation. Yeah, we had some good stuff. We could be like, oh man, that could have made it to the show. But yeah, that's always the good stuff. With this show in particular, I wanted to
00:14:22
Speaker
not do that, like not have those like pre talks, it's like, you know, jump right into the show and whatever we, you know, talk about is what we're gonna do. Because this is really the show isn't really wrestling centric. It's where all that's like, you know, kind of all over this conversation, personal and more of a conversation. So it's like, we don't have to like, you know, go a little say that for this. But um,
00:14:42
Speaker
Yeah, that was definitely a trip down memory lane with all that stuff. All this stuff started popping to my head of all the early writing all the formats and dealing with infants at the time too when I was doing it. I think back to that time, I think I pretty much just blacked out and made it through that time because when I think back on it now,
00:15:04
Speaker
I'm tired now and it takes a lot to get ready for a podcast, but thinking about putting, you know, being with two kids during a peak of a pandemic with a deployed husband, a newborn at the time, you know, and then still setting up, getting ready for a podcast, preparing for a podcast, literally having to pause the podcast, go up, get my infant, bring her down, put her in my lap while I finish the podcast, dude. Like, it's just, it's wild to me that that, that,
00:15:42
Speaker
Oh yeah, definitely. Those are trying times, but we were there to entertain. Yeah. Well, there was times that I would start the show and then I would just disappear halfway through because the kids would wake up and I can't come back. That would happen after I came on. It was basically baked into the format at that point. Whenever it was me, you and Marco,
00:15:54
Speaker
Part of my life even even happened, you know, and that the chick fully show survived that you know, like the I don't know like it was it's I'm pretty proud of myself for that
00:16:04
Speaker
And about the 45 minute mark, like I knew it was just going to be me and Marco one on one for about 20 minutes while you went to put one of the kids back down. Yeah, exactly. So the other was times I'd be texting, you know, Marco and me like, Hey, I'm not going to make it back down. The kids are not like, go ahead and finish the show because the kids are not cooperating. So yeah,
Authenticity and Technical Issues
00:16:21
Speaker
so much stuff. So you guys would just pause the show.
00:16:25
Speaker
Um, it depends. Like sometimes they would keep talking, but yeah, there was sometimes I would just be like, Hey guys, I'll be right back. See one thing about the chick Foley show, we can stop it, but it ends up being a pain in the ass for the most part that the regular chick Foley show, like the flagship it's live to tape. So yeah, whatever, whatever happens as we were, we don't edit anything out. Cause it's, we have, we use, I mean, I'll give them a plug, even though they're, you know, we're paying them, but Zincaster has been like a godsend for,
00:16:52
Speaker
Um for the podcast like occasionally there's there's some headaches with it before, you know 99 of the times in casters like just makes everything really really smooth And it just becomes a royal pain in the ass when you guys start trying to stitch together multiple segments and stuff So you've done it before but we can do it. Yeah, i've gotten pretty decent It's normally it's normally like when a service drops out like we have a guest or something service Yeah, i've gotten pretty decent with audacity So yeah, I would say like nine times out of ten what you're hearing on chick foley It is a live recording even if it's not necessarily like broadcast live
00:17:24
Speaker
Yeah, and then, you know, just having those conversations with everybody on the show, like, anyone that's listened to the show, that's, that's the main thing that people love about the show is the, you know, the, the, like, the authenticity of it. It's not like, it's basically what you hear is what you, what you're hearing, you know, anything different. If the audio is crappy, it's, that's what it is, especially in the early stages and stuff like that. And sometimes now, but like, that's what, that's what draws people in. It's like, you know, I think, I think it was talking to J-Bone.
00:17:46
Speaker
Thank you.
00:17:52
Speaker
about this and he was like, it's like you're sitting in with some friends. Obviously, you can't talk to them because you're listening to them, but that's what he said. It's that vibe. That's what we're going for. Yeah, definitely. That's what I'm trying to go for with this here too, but I want to ask Seth, was there any time that you were going to be on the show in the early stages or are you just going to be like the
00:18:35
Speaker
and also doing this. So I had never really planned on it until, you know, events took place. It kind of kind of forced our hand to really look at what we're going to do for the overall health of the future of the podcast. And that's when, you know, I sent you that faithful text, Marco, like, hey, man, we got three days to figure out how to record a podcast. Yeah. And, you know, well, the thing the thing is,
00:18:44
Speaker
Just to be behind the scenes guy all the time.
00:18:57
Speaker
I am so like I have my Instagram account when I did all that, especially in the early days, I did all of that by myself, you know, built that audience, did all of that stuff by myself.
Overcoming Public Speaking Fears
00:19:06
Speaker
And, you know, the podcast was just kind of a natural progression, because I wanted to have those more in depth conversations than what you could add on just like an Instagram caption, you know, and kind of just
00:19:16
Speaker
you know, deep dive on things more and get more nuanced with the conversation. But like, I have like a fear of public speaking. And although this isn't I think I talked about this on my episode earlier on on open mic. Although like, this isn't really public speaking, you know, it's going out to the public. So like,
00:19:33
Speaker
I just had this like fear and like, you know, I don't know. And Seth does not have that, you know, Seth has like all the confidence in the world. And he was like the perfect guy to ask to be a podcaster. And me on the other hand, I'm like, I don't know if I can do this. I don't think I can do this. And Seth's like being the cheerleader like, Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Like you're gonna do this. And so we did it. And here we are, you know, so I think it's funny how it all worked out how I started it. And then like Seth came along after because Seth would have been like,
00:19:59
Speaker
the prime choice for somebody to just start a wrestling podcast if all the chips had fallen a different way. Yeah, but not to get into gender studies territory or whatever. I really feel like the secret sauce of our show though is Sheena being a female, right?
Female Perspective in Wrestling
00:20:15
Speaker
Because that's the big differentiator for us. Because there's hundreds of wrestling podcasts out there just like us where it's just a group of fans sitting down and
00:20:23
Speaker
talking about their thoughts on the show. But I think Sheena being a female is the big, that's the hook, right? It's a differentiator because there's not a lot of that out there. And she's a really knowledgeable wrestling fan also. So I think that's kind of like Sheena being a chick, a literal chick. That's kind of like our Trojan horse to kind of give us a leg up. That lifted up our launch platform way higher than a lot of other podcasts in a similar situation would have been.
00:20:53
Speaker
Yeah, man, it's just it's been a lot of fun. It's been really a great ride of the last, you know, going on two years now since I've been a part of the show, four years for me.
Wrestling Fan Moments and Disagreements
00:21:05
Speaker
Do you do you both have like, not do you guys have heated arguments? Not like personal ones, but like, as far as wrestling goes, like, are you guys ever like watching something?
00:21:16
Speaker
and you're having a conversation, you just start going real wrestling fan mode on each other about stuff, or is it a casual conversation? For the most part, we've been together so long, so we already have similar tastes on stuff. I think wrestling-wise, we've pretty much got the
00:21:35
Speaker
the same taste. I can't really think of any real big, anybody that Sheena's a fan of that I really dislike or vice versa. So for the most part, we're pretty wrestling copacetic. The guys that we're big fans of are all pretty much alignment. Yeah. I mean, there's some times I'll like somebody and Seth will just be like, I can't believe you like that guy. MJF is a perfect example. I was on board with MJF from day one and Seth was not on board. I mean, we didn't have an argument about it, but he would be like, no.
00:22:05
Speaker
MJF does not do it for me. Yeah, and I'll say it again. MJF, he's fine. He's totally fine, but he's Miz with a TVM rating straight up, man. You did get on board with MJF there for a minute, dude, when he was having his... I mean, I've always said he's fine. I've never been like, MJF sucks. I just don't think that he's... I don't think he's the crown jewel.
00:22:29
Speaker
Like, if I'm WWE, there's five or six people I got on my wish list for AW before I get down to MJF's name. Yeah, I agree. But yeah, I mean, like Sis said, I feel like we've been together so long that we pretty much have our tastes and our likes are pretty aligned. Yeah, I mean, speaking, well, actually, we'll kind of transition to it because that's going to be kind of like my next question. Speaking of being together so long,
00:22:57
Speaker
I think you guys kind of spoke about this. I'm not sure on the show like how you guys met and stuff like that
00:23:04
Speaker
But yeah, take us back to memory lane. We started dating in high school.
Early Relationship and Military Decision
00:23:12
Speaker
I really wouldn't say we're true high school sweethearts, man. Because when I hear high school sweethearts, I picture somebody who was together for years in high school. We went on a couple of dates, I think, our junior year. And it just feels like I never really got too serious, even though we always had a good vibe and stuff. And then we just ended up circling back to each other a couple of months before we graduated high school.
00:23:34
Speaker
And, you know, stuck together, ended up being like, you know, you know, made it, Facebook wasn't your round bike then, but whatever the equivalent was, we made it Facebook official. And we'd been together maybe like seven months, man. And we were both going to Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green. And I had just, you know, I was like, stop me, Marco, just feel free to cut me off, man, if I get like way too in depth. But I was like,
00:23:59
Speaker
I was a real overachiever. I always have like straight A's. I think I ended up like a 3.98 GPA in high school. Like I was, you know, really kicking ass and stuff in school, but for whatever reason, I was just totally like list list. Once I graduated, man, I didn't really know what I wanted to do with my life. I didn't really feel like being in school and stuff, man. And for whatever reason, man, I kind of was just like,
00:24:21
Speaker
feeling like the call of duty and decided I was going to go join the military. And I remember telling Sheena that like with this point, we'd been together like maybe six, seven months. And at the time when I'm telling her this, like I'm thinking like this is also like, you know, like my way of like breaking up with her like, hey, I'm I'm I'm blowing this fucking popsicle stand. You know, you can stay here. This is what I'm doing. And to my surprise, when I like laid this on Sheena, like, hey, I'm thinking about, you know, leaving here and joining the military and whatever.
00:24:49
Speaker
She was like, well, let's just stick it out and see what happens, man. And, uh, you know, here we are 20, almost 20 years later, dude, you know, two kids freaking around the world and back. So yeah, we actually, it really didn't get super serious until like right before I left for, uh, for the Navy. And then like I said, man, she's been by my side ever since. So that was really it. So yeah, kind of, it's kind of started dating in high school, but didn't really get serious until, uh, until afterwards.
00:25:17
Speaker
She was like, man, I'm not going anywhere. Just do what you're going to do. I'll still be here. Did you guys have the group of friends that were like,
00:25:32
Speaker
not on board with the significant other deal? I think so.
Focusing on Relationship Growth
00:25:37
Speaker
I think one thing to kind of help is that we did start dating shortly before graduation. So it was really just kind of me and Sheena, you know, like, sadly, man, I don't know how many I think we have kind of an older audience. I think our audience is mostly like the the, you know, like the elder millennial generation, like between 30s and 40s and stuff. But for the kids in high school, man, like, you know,
00:25:58
Speaker
trigger warning, dude. Most of your friends, you're going to drift away, dude. That's always true. I remember people would tell me that growing up, you're not going to have most of your friends when you graduate. And I was like, no, I'm sticking with them. But that really is the case. So we started dating shortly before graduation. And once we graduate, those friend groups just are gone to the fucking four wins. Well, we didn't have social media either. I mean, there's different. Yeah, you just don't even know where people end up or go.
00:26:23
Speaker
But yeah, so basically, you know, the friends groups all were just kind of scattered across the four winds. So it really was just me and Sheena, we kind of just focus on each other and enjoy each other's company. So that really wasn't a factor. It wasn't a factor. I will say though, because I grew up in that town and I was from there, like I went to elementary school there, I went to middle school, high school. And I had a boyfriend before Seth, like my freshman, sophomore year.
00:26:51
Speaker
Once I broke up with him, and I was kind of seeing Seth, he talked about into my sophomore year, I got some pushback. Seth was a new guy in town too, because he came out of Texas. His family was military, so they moved back. I moved to that high school halfway through our freshman year. Yeah. And so I had a lot of really close friends and really close guy friends. And I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I think a lot of those guy friends, they probably wanted me to be their girlfriend. And I was going for this new guy who
00:27:20
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Just like so I am yeah, not to make not to go too far into like a movie territory But like so I moved there halfway through my freshman year, right? I'm from like
Cultural Shock: Texas to Kentucky
00:27:28
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I was in like I lived in an urban area of Texas and Corpus Christi and stuff and I'm moving to like the fucking sticks of Kentucky So not only am I like a new guy who's got like a totally different vibe for a violence here I also became the starting quarterback of like the high school team my sophomore year, right? So I had some haters dude like straight up like I
00:27:44
Speaker
I was cool with all the people. Anybody that got to know me, I was cool with, but there was a lot of people that didn't really know me that were just like, oh, who's this guy? Just a very small town vibe where it's just like, we don't want any outsiders, don't want any new people. This is new and different. We're not about it.
00:28:00
Speaker
Um, there were, I think it's some pushback when people were like, you're dating Seth. No, why are you dating Seth? And I was just like, I don't know, because he's new and different and cool and he's not like you guys, you know? So, um, so yeah, I think it was a little bit different for me and Seth, because like I said, I was kind of like, you know, born and raised there and Seth was, he was, you know, implanted there.
00:28:23
Speaker
who's eating the outsider, the city slicker coming into the- He did come from Texas, so it's not like he was like- With his good looks and athletic abilities in Kentucky. I think I had more like redneck bonafides than most of the people in that school, if you're able to get down to it. But I just, like I said, I was a lot more... I traveled the world at that point. It's different being a military kid. Yeah, when you're a military kid, you don't really have that
00:28:45
Speaker
So to get super deep into it, man, so again, me and my little brother, we went to school in South Texas. And on the Gulf Coast down in Corpus Christi, it's really cool, man, very diverse. My school was basically a third white, a third Hispanic, and a third black. And everybody got along, right? There was no fucking racial tension on that stuff, man.
00:29:05
Speaker
the football team, like the football teams were like, you know, gods down there and stuff. And like, it was just a really, really cool place to grow up and get exposed to a lot of different cultures. And then I come to Butler County High School in Kentucky, where it's like 99.9% white. I'm seeing people wearing fucking Dixie Outfitters shirts with like Confederate flags on on my first day. And I'm just like, I mean, dude, I hated my parents, dude. Like I remember when we moved up there, I wanted to live with my grandparents because I really, really resented my parents.
00:29:36
Speaker
for making me move to this place, because it was just so different from what me and my little brother had known. Obviously, I ended up having a really good time there and enjoying myself. And I met Sheena, so it was definitely, it ended up being for the best. But at the time, it was straight up culture shock, man, as a 14-year-old kid, going from this super diverse, really cool place to going to the spot where it seemed very insular once I got there.
00:30:05
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. I probably would. They're probably pretty upset with you too because you're obviously coming from Texas, which is like football capital of the world. So you probably already had that like superior athletic ability. You just walk in there. Yeah, so it was different. I'm in Texas where you didn't play varsity until like your senior year or if you were like a straight up stud, maybe your junior year, like straight up like
00:30:31
Speaker
They had a freshman team, a JV team, and a varsity team. And the varsity team was basically reserved for seniors and the really best juniors. So it was just totally different for me going to this really, really small school in Kentucky where I'm going to be getting playing time on varsity as a sophomore. I mean, it really worked out because I got a lot better experience playing high school football. And I was always cool within the football team. The football team didn't care. That was
00:30:55
Speaker
That was kind of like my safe haven, chilling up there and stuff. But I think for people that weren't on it, like I said, it was really the people that didn't know me, man, that would kind of hate on me and me and my little brother, just because we kind of came in and got a lot of clout or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, I don't want to bag on the people. There's a lot of really amazing people in our small town. Yeah, it's a great place to live. I mean, me and Sheena are planning on moving back there, but it's just high school in 2000, man. It's just different. For the most part, there's nobody that I had
00:31:24
Speaker
Like I said, anybody I ever got to know, I guarantee they would vouch for and be like, yeah, that's a cool motherfucker. Me and him are good, dude. It would just be like the people who would never really take the time and effort to get to know you. Obviously, I don't know what high school is like now, but I don't even know if cliques are a thing anymore, if there's different genres of people or if everybody's just so out there nowadays that everybody's individually different. We were coming up in a time where there was definitely cliques
00:31:50
Speaker
of people, you know, like there was football teams, there was like, you know, FFA, like country, country bros, and then there was like, you know, the band keys, the junkies, the emos, you know, I mean, you just you had a bunch of different types of people, like the popular people that I don't know, it's just it was a it was a time what a time to be alive.
00:32:11
Speaker
No, yeah.
High School Cliques and Social Media's Impact
00:32:13
Speaker
I mean, yeah, definitely the early 2000s. Just remember, yeah, I was definitely really clicky with all the different jobs. I would not trade that for anything. I feel like we did come up in the best time. I think I would come up in the late 90s, early 2000s for the win. Oh, yeah, definitely. Always, dude.
00:32:35
Speaker
Did you, Seth, did you ever like, did you have to like get into any afterschool fights or anything like that? Or was it just- Nah, I was always above it, man. And like I said, man, anytime somebody got to know me, I was always cool with them, man. I can't think of anybody that once I got to know them, I still had beef with, man. It was just kind of like from a distance, people would kind of... I don't know if it was just jealousy or like Sheena said, just the new thing or whatever, man.
00:33:02
Speaker
Yeah, and the other thing about Kentucky, man, it's not like being in like, so South Texas, there's a big military presence, right? And it's just a really desirable place to live. So you got kind of a constant flow of new people moving in. Like, it was a really big deal, like, when me and my brother, like, moved there and stuff, right? Like, they don't get a lot of new kids, right? You'll get like, you know, you get maybe a dozen new kids.
00:33:25
Speaker
a school year and stuff. Me and my brother moved there. My dad was actually friends with the varsity high school football coach, so he already put a bug in his ear about me and my little brother. There was a little low-key buzz and stuff about it. I think that's where some of the... Like I said, it sounds corny saying it, dude, but the haters came from and stuff. That's what it was. You call it what it is. It was just straight up like jealousy and hate.
00:33:59
Speaker
Was it was it like when you were like walking on the the like the high school hallways? Were they just like no There wasn't like outright like bullies where they were like, you know You know
00:34:18
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all that.
00:34:27
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I was going to, I was actually going to pivot from, because we, you talked to all like, you know, as you get older, you started losing friends, like stuff like that. You kind of like drift apart, you have different lives, you know, stuff like, yeah, I was going to, I was actually going to say that, like, you know, even with wrestling too. So like, I kind of bring it back to that. So like,
00:34:48
Speaker
people our age, it's hard to find people our age that still watch like wrestling that, uh, that, you know, even if you had a childhood friend and obviously maybe you're not talking to them anymore, they obviously they would, but like nowadays it's like, you can find that friend. Yeah, it would be impossible. I don't think fandom would be really where it is now for social media.
00:35:12
Speaker
Yeah, I have one, well, I have a couple of friends, but one of my close friends, Jason, I still go to his house and watch wrestling and stuff like that when I can. We both have the time anyway, but he's the only physical
00:35:28
Speaker
like person that I actually go watch wrestling with. Other than that, everyone else is pretty much through social media like you. Well, I think being cool, I kind of hit a fever pitch in like, you know, 2010, 2011, and then it became cool to like be a nerd, you
Rise of Nerd Culture
00:35:43
Speaker
know? So nerd culture really picked up. Um, and you know, especially with social media and all of that, like people being able to find their niche groups of people that they like, that have the same interests and hobbies as them. So yeah, I think, um,
00:35:56
Speaker
Social media has done so much for people's interests and what they like to do and spend their time and energy on.
00:36:07
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. So, let me pivot back. Let's go back to high school again. So, let's put Sheena in the hot seat. How was it? I see the... We'll talk about the athletics part of it because you're both definitely in that category. But how
High School Sports and Personality
00:36:24
Speaker
was a young Sheena in high school? Was she...
00:36:29
Speaker
You know, was she, was she a star athlete? I wouldn't say star athlete. I definitely was a solid role player. I was a solid role player. I always, I always tried really hard. You know, like I always like always blocking out, always breaking down on defense.
00:36:44
Speaker
Yeah, everything I did, I always put 100% effort into it. But I was also like a class clown. Like I was always like, just out there to make people laugh and like make friends and have fun and do all that kind of stuff. So for me, it wasn't and also like, I think there's a difference. Like I had
00:37:02
Speaker
parents who worked all the damn time who weren't going to usher me back and forth to like all these different like practices and things like that, you know, like I was always like bumming a ride from people and all that kind of stuff because like, I mean, it was just out of like necessity, you know, when like I had bad parents, but they just worked and weren't able to
00:37:18
Speaker
You know shut like shuttle me around everywhere So it was just kind of like I didn't really have that level of like support system support system Meanwhile, like my like me and my little brother we were going to multiple like quarterback camps and stuff every summer Just to kind of like, you know, yeah
00:37:34
Speaker
Yeah. Meanwhile, I spent my summers down at the creek and sleeping in a little cabin that me and my friend Gabrielle built and making mud forts and shit. I mean, if you know me today, that's very much ingrained in who I am. It's all ingrained.
00:37:52
Speaker
Yeah, it's very on brand, you know, I'm just very much a person who loves being out in nature and all that kind of stuff. And I mean, I still love athletics. I mean, I played flag football up until I had Brett, you know, so I feel like I definitely I'm athletic, but I wouldn't say I was like a star in high school by any stretch.
00:38:13
Speaker
Did y'all, what's, besides off, I see the, yeah, I remember you posted that video of the, oh, who, so, yeah, someone posted the video of the flag football. I will say this, I was a much better athlete in my later years, when I was playing flag football and stuff than I ever was in high school. I think I, I mean- I think you were playing basketball, like that was the wrong sport. True, yeah. I think you should have been in like,
00:38:35
Speaker
I was good at tennis. I played soccer. I was all defensive on soccer. I mean, I played goalie. So I mean, it was just like a one man show when you're playing. You're more of a raw athlete than a really good raw athlete, more than like a highly skilled athlete. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like she was very like big, fast and strong. But you know, basketball is like. Yeah. Basketball is not my sport. I'm a little clunky. I'm a little clunky to be playing basketball. I did. Well.
00:39:02
Speaker
So as far as obviously basketball, it's like a lot of coordination and balance and stuff like that. That's not something that you excelled at, I would assume. I mean, when I was a little kid, my sports in high school were tennis, soccer, and predominantly basketball. Basketball was my main sport. So if you come up now, you could have got into BJJ or some other sort of like MMA. I think that would have really been catered to your strong suit because you dominated in football when you started playing.
Playing in Men's Flag Football League
00:39:31
Speaker
in those women's flag football leagues as an adult. I played in the men's league, yeah. When we lived in Fredericksburg, Virginia, we were in a flag football league. It was a men's league, and I thought so much Sheena that we put Sheena on our team, and she held her own. She was awesome out there. It wasn't like, oh, they got a girl. That's neat. She straight up held her own. She played cornerback, and she was our center, because in flag football, a lot of times, the center, that's a sneaky weapon on flag football for catching passes and stuff.
00:40:00
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Yeah, she did really good with us and held her own.
00:40:06
Speaker
So I actually played wide receiver because we had one of my real good friends named James Cardoza. He was actually like a college football quarterback. And so we had him as our quarterback. So I played wide receiver and free safety and stuff. But yeah, it was a blast having Sheena out there in the field with us. And like I said, she was not like, it wasn't like, you know, something we did just to be cute or whatever. No, I was man up. Anybody that tried to f with me, dude, I was man up on them, dude. Like I almost got in a couple fights out there. She did straight up get picks and everything, man.
00:40:34
Speaker
It was a really competitive, it was a really fun game. It was very competitive, yeah. I really miss it, but it was really awesome. It was on like, it was indoors too, so it was on like turf, like it was a good time. It was a fun time. Yeah, Sheena would definitely hold her own with the dudes out there. I mean, I'm just not gonna, I'm just not gonna let them like, you know, get away with no shit, you know what I mean?
00:40:58
Speaker
I mean, yeah, I mean, did you, did you do any of that? We played, we were in like a straight up cover two zone.
Competitive Basketball Story
00:41:07
Speaker
So she's like, you know, when she's playing corner, she's right up on the line of scrimmage, checking the wide receiver, right at the snap and stuff. And like I said, she ain't got a handful of interceptions and stuff, man. Just cause I think people would sleep on her and try to try to pick on her and stuff on defense. But yeah, she was real good, man. Dang. Wow.
00:41:28
Speaker
I feel like I wasn't like the most, I mean, I didn't play any high school sports or school sports or anything like that. Street athlete, as they call it. A lot of pickup games, basketball courts, a lot of field football, street football, that type of stuff. I wasn't really the
00:41:50
Speaker
I was with the organized sports person. I like to have street rules on some stuff because that's how I play. Basketball, I could never play high school basketball. I'd probably get fouled out every single game. Not that I hack or
00:42:08
Speaker
or beat people up or anything like that, but I have more of an aggressive style of defense. I'm heavy set. I'm not fat or anything like that, but I have a body where you really can't get past me.
00:42:24
Speaker
quick. Yeah, medium husky. So quick story. We, uh, when I was, uh, was a couple of years back, I was actually, we had, we actually had a game. It was, it was me, our, for the company. I worked for the district manager. Um, he's actually a, he actually got inducted into the Rhode Island basketball hall of fame actually a couple of years back. Um, so he's obviously really good. Um, so it was me, him, and then, uh, one of my coworkers and at the, uh, at the corporate office, they had a basketball court.
00:42:54
Speaker
The in the back. Yeah, they're they did I can't think of anything in the warehouse dude, that's what I'm envisioning in my mind Do the uh, I'm pretty much it was pretty much the same thing I almost got I thought I was gonna get fired cuz uh, he uh, but the he tried to back me down the
00:43:20
Speaker
the district manager. So you're like Roy in the office. See, I'm way more of a opportunist man. Like if I'm in that situation, my boss is hitting layups on me. He's freaking dunking on me. Like whatever. I'm like, man, sir, you got it. You got it. Good job. Yeah.
00:43:36
Speaker
dude. I was like, he respected it though. He's like, he's like, dude, he's like, he's like, he's like, dude, you're like, he's like, you're like a brick wall dude. I couldn't even get by. I was like, Hey, I was like, I was either going to get fired on the spot or I was going to gain respect somehow. So that's, that's how it's going to go. But yeah, dude, it's
00:43:55
Speaker
Like I said, we don't get to talk about sports and stuff like that as much, but that's why I wanted to bring that up, because I know you guys are athletes in your own right, and I definitely want to showcase that a little bit.
00:44:11
Speaker
The next question I have is, as far as motivations go, so obviously we've all been pretty much doing this for a long time as far as podcasting, content creating, whatever you want to call it.
Podcasting as Hobby and Community
00:44:24
Speaker
What do you think the motivation is now to do it? For me, man, I mean, you can chime in. To me, it's strictly like...
00:44:31
Speaker
It's a hobby, man. If somehow we really break through and become like, you know, international sensation and get a bunch of advertisers, then more power to it. But I just love talking wrestling, man. Like I love professional wrestling. Aside from my family, it's probably like the other thing that's been like, just a part of my life as long as I've been alive and
00:44:52
Speaker
you know, not to get too corny or sentimental, but I just hope I help other people appreciate, you know, how awesome of a form of entertainment pro wrestling is, man. So I can look at it as a hobby that, you know, maybe, maybe someday it'll break through and make it some serious bugs. But for now, it's just a hobby that I really, really enjoy doing.
00:45:09
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I like the community aspect of it. That's why we created our Facebook group. Instagram is great. Instagram is where it all started, but it's just such a vast pool of people and you never know what kind of people. I mean, and anybody can chime in with their BS or opinions or hate or trolling or whatever.
00:45:30
Speaker
But with Chick-Fully we've created such a close-knit community in our Facebook group. I have like legit friends in there. I've met up with so many people that are in that group at different events and stuff like that. I don't know. I really appreciate all those people and I don't know. The community is what I do it for. It's why I keep showing up.
00:45:51
Speaker
Um, we keep doing this. It's because like the Foley fam is the, is the absolute best. And they make
Community and Audience Appreciation
00:45:56
Speaker
watching wrestling more fun for me. They make watching anything. I mean, now we're watching the freaking world cup. I would not be watching the world cup if it was not for the Foley fam. So they make everything a little more fun for me. Yeah. If you go to take fully.com, you hit the link. It's slurry two bucks a month to be in it. And we literally, we just have the, the pay there just to kind of keep the riffraff out, man, to keep it from.
00:46:18
Speaker
just anybody being able to join. That way people got at least a little bit of investment. At the end of the day, if you don't do two bucks a month, you can do 20 bucks for a whole year and it's well worth it. Nobody's getting rich off two bucks a month, but it does. It's the paywall. If you're willing to get out your wallet, put in your card number pay or whatever you're going to do to
00:46:37
Speaker
to get in, then you obviously want to be there. And you have a little bit of skin in the game, right? You're going to be a contributing positive member of the community. Yeah, because you're paying for it. At this point, it's so long. We've had the thing going for so long that there's some history. For the most part, we know the people in the group. And you got kind of running inside jokes and stuff. And the great thing is for newcomers, we always welcome and embrace anybody new in there. And it's all about just loving wrestling. Our live threads we do for the pay reviews. That's my absolute most fun thing.
00:47:05
Speaker
in wrestling right now is just having that kind of running dialogue and conversation going as we watch these big shows.
00:47:15
Speaker
Yeah, I was gonna say like, you know, the great thing about that group too is, like you said, you know, obviously there's a paywall, so it does keep out like the riffraff, but the great thing about that group is the, not just the wrestling aspect of it, but the, like the life stuff that, you know, people share within the group, like, you know, people get married, people, you know, having things- People going through hardships, like we're always there for each other. It runs the spectrum. Even though it's an online community, I think just knowing that you have a place
00:47:43
Speaker
that people listen and actually shoot you a message or care about what's going on with you. It's really important because a lot of people don't even have that in their real life. I think we take for granted, if you have a good family and you have friends and all of that, so many people take that for granted that everybody has that and not everybody has that. If they can find that within our community, then I'm happy for it to be there and I'm happy to be a part of it.
00:48:11
Speaker
Yeah, like those in sales, I'm glad you can like, you know, anybody can share anything in there. There's no, oh, yeah, there's nobody just trolling. I mean, we, we rib each other. Like, you know, obviously that's just, that's just part of it. But yeah, when you're posting other groups, you can almost guarantee like somewhere in the first five comments, somebody's going to have something snarky or smart ass to say. And that just, I mean, that just doesn't happen in our group.
00:48:32
Speaker
Yeah, and over we've had it going for like two and a half years now and yeah I think there's been like twice where I've had to delete people's comments and it's always been Just because a good-natured joke was just a little too racy right like a little bit too nasty for her Yeah, we're like Facebook gives us a notification like yeah, like you know
00:48:53
Speaker
It's never, it's never been something hateful. It's been something that generally like I, I'd giggle at it, but like, yeah, which is, you know, it's a little bit too, a little bit too extreme for the group. So yeah, it's just a really great group of folks and salute to you guys and we welcome anybody else.
00:49:12
Speaker
Oh yeah, definitely. Especially Phil Dunnett, he likes... We go back and forth on the actual page and we message each other too. We have our thing with the Chick Foley picks league, which I don't better at. Last week he was missing some picks. I was like, you missed it. I said Marco, obviously. He said no, Marco actually got his picks in. Yeah, this week I took over for Phil this week because it was his wedding anniversary.
00:49:38
Speaker
And he was going to be kind of basically out of the game for the weekend. And Marco sent me his pics like a day away. I'm like, who is this? Who is this? And what have you done with Marco? But yeah, Phil's great. We need to get Phil on. While we're here, dude, I want to hear Phil on. He's like, oh, me too. He's like a man of mystery. This dude literally made a Facebook group, made a Facebook page just to be a part of the Foley fam. So yeah. And I want to hear this guy's story, man. Yeah.
00:50:07
Speaker
Oh, it's coming. It's coming. I actually reached out to him and asked him to be on the show at some point. We'll have to get that time down. Just to give a little background on the open mic show, the early inception of it, years back when I
00:50:25
Speaker
When I was on the Chick-fil-A show, I was going to do an internal Facebook group show where I was just going to highlight people within the group and maybe go on Facebook Live and interview whoever. That was basically the idea of it. But I still want to do that. I still want to pick some people out of the group. Yeah, we have some super talented people. Because there are some interesting people in there, at least some very interesting lives.
00:50:55
Speaker
Yeah, so I definitely want to do that. Phil's definitely one of those individuals, mainly because I can call him out on it and call him out on stuff. I actually want to talk to him, so now I'm joking. But yeah, I think that would be a good idea, having him on the show at some point. But yeah, that's a way in the future. But I want to get into
00:51:21
Speaker
We talk about it a little bit. We do, on the Chick-fil-E show, we'll do the farm update and all that stuff, but I want to get into your interests. I don't see that you got into yours or you're on the show, but Seth, besides wrestling and sports and all that stuff, what are some other things that you're into that we don't know about? Honestly, man, it's the kids. Obviously, they're my whole world.
00:51:48
Speaker
And then fishing, man, fishing is my other big hobby, which it's kind of, I don't want to say watered down, man. It's kind of died down a little bit being here in Tennessee because before that I was in Hawaii and I was in Virginia.
00:51:59
Speaker
Um, and you know, no offense to the hardcore freshwater fishermen out there, but there's just no comparison to saltwater fishing, right? Like I always say like, you know, a, uh, you know, freshwater fishing is like a straight up, like, uh, you know, a regular match in the ring where saltwater fishing is like a, you know, falls count anywhere. Anything goes like when you're casting. Yeah. When you're casting out in the saltwater, like there's no telling what you're going to catch, right? There's, it could be literally anything where it's fresh water, you know, it's.
00:52:27
Speaker
depending on where you're fishing at, whatever. You get a handful of things, they're going to bite the hook. Exactly. Yeah. But I love fishing, man. It's really good way to relax and also have some real excitement mixed in. It's just fun because that's something that you're constantly learning on, right? I've been... Since I fished a lot as a kid and then it kind of just... My love for fishing, I just kind of put it on the shelf and then I got it back out in like 2015.
00:52:52
Speaker
Even just the last seven years of really fishing a ton, I still learn stuff every single time I go out. There's new mistakes you make and you learn from. I really love that. It's just a way to relax and get back in touch with nature and stuff. Other than that, just the kids and being a dad, man. That's something else where you learn something every single day. You learn about yourself, you learn about your kids, and you just try to be better for them.
00:53:17
Speaker
So that's really it, man. Between podcasting and kids and the fishing, it's not a whole lot of extra time for stuff, man. So that's
Personal Hobbies Beyond Podcasting
00:53:25
Speaker
really it for me.
00:53:32
Speaker
Sheena, anything you wanna, I know we kind of got into like your stuff, but anything else you wanted to add onto that or anything new on your end? So for me, I'm just trying to learn a lot of like skills that I wish I had learned, you know, whenever I was.
00:53:48
Speaker
Whenever I could have learned them from like my grandparents and stuff, like I'm really, I'm diving into like canning. This is going to be so nerdy for like the people who are listening to this show, but just like food preservation, because now I have a big garden. Like I've always been into gardening. Like I've always had a garden of some sort, even if it was just like a small herb garden. Um, but now we have such a large space to garden that, you know, we, we bring in a lot of food and you know, you gotta find a way to preserve it. So I'm really learning how to, how to can, how to preserve food.
00:54:16
Speaker
So that's a big skill that I'm taking on like this, this coming spring and summer. And you know, just learning about tending more animals. Obviously we have chickens, you know, we have laying hens right now and we have goats. So we're going to be breeding them in the spring. So we're going to have baby goats and we'll have like, you know, I'll be learning how to milk a goat, which will be a first for me. It'll be my introduction to
00:54:40
Speaker
to dairy livestock. So super excited about that. And you guys know I'm just all into, I mean, if you follow me at all on my personal account, I'm like a
00:54:50
Speaker
a very holistic, natural-minded, kind of like a hippie grandma type person, which is very surprising.
Breaking Wrestling Fan Stereotypes
00:54:58
Speaker
I think a lot of people, you know, they feel like if you're a wrestling fan, you're a certain type of person. Um, but it never ceases to amaze me how many wrestling fans out there I've met. And like you find out about their personal life and you're just like, wow, I would have never guessed that about you. You know? So, um, I feel like I'm one of those people where it's just like, you know,
00:55:16
Speaker
I have a completely different interest set than probably most wrestling fans out there. Yeah, Sheena's rigger IG is lit, man. Just follow at Sheena Phelps. I love it. Last night, I was kind of... I got done playing some NBA 2K and I still had half a trillion left, so I was just kind of chilling. He'd get a little nightcap in and I went back and just went through her last six months of post, man. It's just beautiful, really interesting stuff, man. So definitely check out at Sheena Phelps. Thanks.
00:55:44
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Like you said, it's holistic, too. Even the filters that you use on the videos. It's a vibe, bro. It's a cultivated vibe, for sure. It's calming almost. Yeah, it's like a vibe. If you're trying to get to sleep,
00:56:00
Speaker
Yeah, if you're like you're looking to relax and you're like, you know, you don't want to you know, you're scrolling through it, you know, there's going to be depending on what you're following and what your algorithm looks like. And you don't want to follow that riffraff. Definitely go to Sheena's page and you'll scroll through. Yeah, I need to be better about, you know, because there's so much. I have so much. I always tell my dude stories fade away. Hard posts live forever. You gotta get the hard post.
00:56:24
Speaker
I need to get better because Instagram's changed this algorithm so much that now my photo, I love still photos. That's why I loved Instagram. I loved Instagram because it was just still photography. It was very aesthetic. It was very pleasing to look at. It was quiet. Like the reels though. People get addicted to the reels. Exactly. Now when I do a hard post, when I do a still post, because I do reels occasionally, but I'm not going to spend all of my time
00:56:49
Speaker
you know, editing, making, creating reels just to like get likes on Instagram. Like I'm not going to do it because that takes away from like what I actually like to do, which is like be in the garden, be out there tending my chickens, be with my kids. Doing the stuff you're posting about. Doing the stuff I'm posting about. Yeah. So they're taking, they're taking creators out of what they're actually supposed to be doing by making them create reels to get engagement. And like, so now my posts, I'll get like 30 likes on a, on a photo where it's like, if I post a reel, he gets way more. So,
00:57:18
Speaker
Yeah, I do stories a lot because I get a lot of story views. But, you know, like Seth said, it goes away after 24 hours. So all the stuff I'm talking about or teaching about or whatever my story is like, it doesn't live on. People can't access it. So I need to be better about that. Did you ever you ever think about doing like a like,
00:57:43
Speaker
You know, obviously would take some time, but like, you know, write like a book or not a blog. Yeah, I've had blogs. I've had journal blogs. I love to write. I love to write. I love just like the piece of like sitting down and like creating a piece of content that you can like dig into where it's like, yeah, it takes time, but it's not even just that. It's just like, um,
00:58:04
Speaker
I don't know, I feel like I don't know, like blogs, people even still read blogs, like I thought about doing something on sub stack, or it's like, you know, it's a writer's platform, but it's still integrated into like an app where it's like easy to access, you know, I mean, there's paywalls on sub stack, I wouldn't charge for it. But it's just like, it's like a micro blog type situation where you could just like, it's easily integrated where I could go and get away from social media, because I don't want people to spend more time on social media than they
00:58:33
Speaker
Need to, you know what I mean? I spend a lot of stupid time on social media and it makes me mad because I'm like, oh, I could have been doing so much more than like scrolling on social media, you know? So I would like for people to like get out of the app where there's no distractions, you know? Yeah.
00:58:52
Speaker
Oh yeah, no, I definitely agree. It's just cutting down on that time on any app. Obviously, we use it a lot because obviously we're communicating through it. And this is what's funny because I don't typically like scroll on Chick-Foli. I can get in there and talk to whoever I need to talk to, reply to messages, post what I need to post, and get out. But it's something of, I mean, the algorithm on my personal account is so finely tuned to my,
00:59:21
Speaker
interests and stuff that like I find myself like deep diving. Well, you mostly just posting and then that's it, right? You never really, you're not like liking and browsing and all that stuff. Yeah. I mean, I go through and I'll like, you know, you know, people, I'll do a couple of swipes, you know, but I'm not like spending a lot of time like, cause it's all wrestling. It's all the same stuff. You know, when you're following wrestling accounts, like everybody's going to be posting the same news story. Everybody's going to be posting the same about what happened on raw or what happened. You know what I mean? Like there's not a lot of,
00:59:47
Speaker
diversity as far as like what's happening and what people are reporting on. So I get what I need to get out of there and then I can get out. But whereas like on my side, there's people teaching me things that I'm like, Oh, you know, like I'm watching their reels when I don't even want to be making my own damn reels. So yeah, it's ridiculous, but I do have so much that I want to share and, you know, um, educate people on and, you know, learn myself. So I need to find a way to, to put that out there, but you know, I'm working on it.
01:00:26
Speaker
You know, balancing all these different types of, you know, things that you have going on. How do you, how do you manage? I think I asked, you know, this on when she was on, like, how does she manage being a mom and, you know, social media influencer? If you, if you want to say that, I know people don't like that term, but like, you know, you being a dad, you know, you, you know, obviously you're working, you're doing the podcast and, you know, amongst other things, how do you,
01:00:46
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Yeah. Seth, as far as...
01:01:03
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like the no huddle offense where like, you know, just whatever I feel like I'm doing, I actually do that sort of doing like, I'll like block out time like, okay, you know what, these two hours, I'm gonna go play video games, you know, I'm gonna go, you know, do this activity with the kids, I'm gonna do this thing needs to get out around the house, like,
01:01:10
Speaker
How do you find the time to manage and juggle all those responsibilities?
01:01:21
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whatever man i just i'm very just intentional and how i schedule out my time and i think that's it helps me to make sense for me and helps me avoid that um that kind of like regretful feeling you get when you waste your time dude he's just
01:01:36
Speaker
I think being in the military is kind of helped me have an appreciation of the value of time because i have done several deployments where i'm gone and just stuck on a ship for like seven months do you like. When
Military Experience and Time Management
01:01:49
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you do that your life's at a pause man like there's some stuff you can do to enjoy yourself when you're out there for the most part like.
01:01:55
Speaker
You got no really decent internet connection. Basically in a floating jail is what it is. Yeah, you have no hobbies you can do other than maybe playing some video games and working out. You can't just have to keep up what's going on out in the world. The one good thing about that experience is that it's just really made me appreciate how valuable your time is.
01:02:18
Speaker
And I can still get better on it, right? I still waste time. There's still times where I'll sit down on the couch and, you know, spend 25 minutes looking at wrestling meme pages on Instagram and stuff and just goofing off or just reading random shit on Reddit. That's not really, you know, there's definitely more value. This is my time. So don't take it like I'm like an expert at this, but I just, I make every effort to be as intentional with how I spend my time as possible. Yeah. And I'm like the complete opposite. She is just chaos.
01:02:45
Speaker
So I'm like freaking Tom Brady, like scouting out the defense, playing out every single throw, making every read. Sheena's like Brett Favre, like fuck it. I don't need to know the plays, just snap me the ball. And I was like, there's a receiver down there somewhere. I'll tell it to him. It's true. But somehow I still manage to get the things done that I need to do.
Stress Management in Relationships
01:03:07
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But I feel like I would have a much more peaceful existence if I could
01:03:11
Speaker
Live like Seth where it is a little more blocked out because yeah There's a lot of times from just like stress to the max because I did zero planning for what it was I needed to do So she just found a way to thrive though. She thrives in the chaos. Yeah, when chaos is at its highest That's when I perform and there'll be like time for like we're either having company coming over something Something going on and like
01:03:33
Speaker
The kids have been home all day and the house is looking like a tornado hit a daycare. And I'm like, fuck, I'm starting to stress. And then I'll go and take a piss or something and come back. And the house is spic and span, spotless, dude. I'm like, how the hell did you get the house clean in five minutes?
01:03:49
Speaker
Yeah. Just for example, when things are just completely off the rails and I can keep my cool. If I go to a parking, if I don't know the parking situation of a place that I'm going to, my anxiety is at a peak and I will be stressing out about that. Whereas we had a house full of people one time and I was frying chicken wings
01:04:08
Speaker
And I set the kitchen on fire and I like calm and collectively- Half the people with the get togethers didn't even know there was a fire in the house. Didn't even know that there was a fire in the house. Yeah. Because like I calm and collectively like put the fire out, like, you know, managed to finish cooking the wings and like, you know. Sheena's got this thing where like, if like the stress environment is anywhere from like a one to like a eight, like Sheena's like flipping out in crisis mode, like total nuclear meltdown.
01:04:34
Speaker
But once the situation gets like really real, where some shit you should really be stressed about, like life altering effects, somebody's about to lose an arm or something, Sheena somehow like clums a cucumber, man. It's the craziest thing, dude.
01:04:48
Speaker
Yeah, I can't explain it. I mean, it's it's it's a stone cold fact. Because that's the times when I stress. Yeah, I'm like Joe cool up until like, she gets really real, dude. But the times when it actually reached like the situation is actually like stressful for me. That's when Sheena's like, just totally. Yeah, I think that's why the universe put us together. Because you happen to manage me very well when I'm at that, like, you know, low level of like anxiety where it's something stupid.
01:05:14
Speaker
that's got me all spun up. And then when she hits the fan, I'm like, okay, we got this.
01:05:25
Speaker
I was actually going to, you know, wife is probably going to kill me, but it's the, uh, it's, it's, it's kind of like, yeah, it's like pretty much the same thing. Like, you know, I'll be, I'm the calm, cool, collective person. Like, I don't, like, if the kids cry and whine about stuff, I don't, I'm not the, I'm not the person to, you know, I don't react to it. I just let them, you know, you know, I try to speak to him a little bit and then
01:05:50
Speaker
If they're not cooperating, just let them cry. Whining doesn't bother me at all, and crying doesn't bother me. I know a lot of parents are probably out there going, you're lying. It definitely bothers you. But me, I just sit there with them and wallow in their sorrows if they need to. But my wife is like, if they start worrying, they're full of like, I can't take it. That type of thing.
01:06:20
Speaker
But even in situations like I'm not the, I don't panic at situations.
01:06:26
Speaker
And my wife does so she like like I said, this is why she's probably gonna kill me She probably doesn't want people to know it, but she like chill. She'll freak out at stuff. That's why you gotta have opposites too, because if there were two of me or two of Seth, it would not work out. If Seth married another person that was like him, it would just be... We'd have every single minute of the day managed out to where it's just impossible to live. It would be impossible to live. Yeah, it would be impossible. There would be like no spontaneity.
01:06:56
Speaker
No sitting around taking in the trees like I remember I'll take Seth on hikes when we lived in Hawaii and like me I'm just like meandering like looking at I'm like oh my gosh look at these trees like look at this and I'm like yep it's more trees yep more trees yep he just he's like utilitarian like you know what how much further we got to go like is it like a mile you know like it's uh and then yeah so me I'm just like you know that's why we work together.
01:07:28
Speaker
Uh, that's funny, but, uh, as you're just thinking of Seth like countdown, the minutes and the paces and how many foot, how many steps you've taken, how to get back and all that stuff. Oh my God. And I know we kind of talk about that on the show too. Like, yeah. And it's not just wrestling. Like I want to, I want to emphasize to people, like if you listen to the Chick-fil-A show, you know, that Seth has an encyclopedic memory of like,
01:07:51
Speaker
everything that's happened, you know, in the history of wrestling, right? And you can recall, like, just the most insane details of stuff. But it's not just wrestling, like, music, movies, TV shows, our relationship. Like, he'd be like, oh, yeah, that was when he was wearing that such-and-such shirt. And I'm like, how? What? I don't even remember owning that shirt, you know? Anything I'm into, man, I just like to go all in on it. Like, if there's, like, a song I'm really into, like, I'll flip through, like, the...
01:08:17
Speaker
the chords and stuff and look at the notes and be like, okay, like, okay, I understand why I like this now. And like movies, I look at who directed it and who produced it so I can like, you know, look into other work that they've done. Like, yeah, anytime we would watch, anytime we would watch a movie, he would like, after we watched the movie, he would immediately like pull up either like Wikipedia or some sort of like, you know, web page, IMDB about the, about the movie, about the actors, like all this stuff and be like, you know, completely like, you know, absorbing anything that he could about whatever movie we just watched.
01:08:46
Speaker
Oh, I have to. I do that too. Yeah, no, I do that too. Like, especially if we're watching, like, anything with, uh, like, obviously you have kids, you're watching a lot of animated movies and stuff like that. And there'll be, like, a voice at your hair.
01:09:00
Speaker
I heard this voice before. I know who it is, but I just came from my figure on it. So I'll sit there. I'll try to jog my memory. I'll watch the movie. I'll listen to the voice. And I'm like, you know what? That's it. And I'll have to pull up my phone and just look for the movie and see.
01:09:17
Speaker
Oh yeah, that's the thing about Seth. He can hear a song. He doesn't just know who sang the song and produced the song. He knows their history, what sort of marital strife or drugs they were taking. What was the inspiration behind it? What was the inspiration behind their album? Yeah, who they were married to at the time, what happened to their marriage. I'm just like, what is wrong with you?
Memory Skills and Intelligence Role
01:09:38
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You know? We were...
01:09:44
Speaker
We actually, we were talking about that on the, uh, if you listen to the episode with Tommy, we talk about, you know, Seth and, you know, his, uh, his, like his memory and his knowledge and stuff like that. Where does that come from? I think I told Tom, I would have to remember stuff and like, I mean, as long as I can remember, dude, I just, I like to get deep into stuff, right? Like I don't think I have a super like diverse, um, like set of interests, right? I'm into wrestling. I'm into football. I'm into video games and.
01:10:13
Speaker
Like music and fishing, right? That's probably like my five things I'm really big into. I'm not as much of a movie buff as I'm a music buff. And I just like to really dive in and learn everything I can about them, man. And I, you know, I'm an intelligence specialist. That's what I do in the Navy. So that's all that job's all about like,
01:10:29
Speaker
you know, being able to retain a lot of data and like, you know, no like historical trends and stuff like that to predict like what's gonna happen in the future. So I think it's just something like I really do think it's like kind of like genetics or like hardwired into me to like just be able to remember a ton of stuff and
01:10:45
Speaker
And wrestling is just kind of, like I said, that was the biggest thing I was into as a kid. And it just, that stuff's just embedded in my brain, man. Like you guys hear it on like the weekly trivia questions when we do the main Chick Foley show. Like what was the one about the, who was the special guest re-announcer survivor series 93? Like I didn't even know that I knew that, right? Like if, if you would have asked me if I knew who that was, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say it. But when Sheena like hit me with that question, like it just popped in my mind. Like the, the fucking guy from a family feud where he kind of was like,
01:11:13
Speaker
Yeah. I got to think the genetics, man. My dad's a really smart guy, but my mom, like I said, she's a really good accountant. I think that's where that memory bug comes from that I can see stuff or read stuff one time and just retain it. Yeah. You read a lot as a kid
Childhood Reading and Wrestling Knowledge
01:11:30
Speaker
too. I remember your mom telling me that you would just devour books and stuff when you were a little kid. I think that really helps your recall and just your ability to process information and all of that.
01:11:40
Speaker
I've never, I don't think I've ever even mentioned this before. I hadn't really thought about it in a long time, but you mentioned about me reading a lot. So I did read a ton of books. And then also there was a yard sale we went to when I was like either seven or eight. And I got four milk crates full of old bill after mags of wrestling. So you know, you had like pro wrestling illustrated, the wrestler wrestling weekly, all the after mags, it was four crates of them dating from like
01:12:06
Speaker
1988 up to like 1992. And I think I read damn near every one of them. And those things would have like the results from every single show that happened. They had the weekly ratings, all kinds of articles. And I think that was kind of like a low key, like a big contributor. Like, cause I would just read all these magazines and just kind of just remember little bits and pieces from all this stuff from, from that whole late eighties to mid nineties era.
01:12:29
Speaker
Yeah. Whereas me, I was not that kid. I was like an outside kid. Now I'm like, damn it, I should have read more books when I was a kid. I'm trying to make up for lost time. I listen to a lot of books now. I don't really have a lot of time to sit down and move, but I do. I love to have an actual book in my hands.
01:12:46
Speaker
freaking, I'm like, damn it, mom, why didn't you make me read
Indoor vs Outdoor Childhood Activities
01:12:50
Speaker
more? But I also appreciate the fact that I was out in nature, I was outside, we grew up out in the sticks. See, I wasn't even intentional with my time as a kid, man. Me and my little brother had basically the same friend group in our neighborhood.
01:13:03
Speaker
And like my little brother would just like, he'd wake up, put his shoes on and like go outside. Me and Ted have a lot of that. Yeah. They would just go and play, right? Like whatever they would play. And they would always want me to, you know, come outside stuff, but I would be like, come get me when it's time to like play football or we're doing a basketball game. Like we had to be like doing something. I was never just like going out and like freestyling there in the day. So everybody else is out playing. I'm either inside like playing Sega Genesis or like reading wrestling magazines or watching tapes or something.
01:13:35
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I mean You know is I wasn't like that as well I wasn't like I was like the most knowledgeable person when it I wasn't I wasn't really like a I didn't retain knowledge that that much like if someone like So something it would jog my memory and I'll remember stuff, but I can't just like spew stuff out I wish I I wish I had that knowledge, but yeah, I don't I don't have that all just to be
01:14:00
Speaker
just to be transparent. My wife will tell you to. I'm a space cadet sometimes. I do the normal walk into a room and just stand around and just like, why the hell did I walk in here? That type of thing. Yeah, she'll definitely confirm that. She'll definitely listen to this and confirm too. But I want to jump back into the
01:14:26
Speaker
When you guys are together and stuff like that, because you brought up the parents. Were each set of parents in two, both of you? Yeah, both. Yeah, all the parents were like in the first quarter of our relationship. I couldn't imagine being in a situation where it wasn't like that. It was mutual.
01:14:49
Speaker
No, no. My parents were like... Because they're not city slickers. His family is from where my family is from. My mom and sis' dad were friends in high school. Yeah, so they've known each other. So my dad was in the Navy also, right? He joined the Navy right after high school. Oh, wow. Moved around a lot. But for his last two or four, he retired, he got kind of a sweetheart of a deal. He went back and was just a recruiter in our hometown in Kentucky.
01:15:16
Speaker
So they were able to settle down. That's why I was able to move back home. So my whole family tree is in basically a 35 mile radius in South Central Kentucky. Yeah. So we're all from the same spot, but because his dad was military, he didn't live there until the end of our high school. That's what I was saying. I was getting hated on in high school for being a newcomer and a city slicker when I'm pretty sure my redneck bona fides could go up against anybody in that pretty school. 100%.
01:15:46
Speaker
No, we did it. But when we started dating, my Sheena's mom knew my dad and vice versa. So they all knew each other. I think my dad's little sister was real good friends with Sheena's mom and stuff. Yeah, so it was easy, man. Everybody knew everybody. That was a very good fit.
Family Support in Relationships
01:16:07
Speaker
And I get along very well with Sheena's mom and her stepdad and her real dad. It's an easy sell, because Navy guy, that's just
01:16:16
Speaker
You know, that's like the kind of, like I would be, if Stella, my daughter, if she ended up with a military guy, like I would be, I would be fine with that. You know what I mean? Even though it's sucker moving away and stuff, like, you know, for the most part, I mean, obviously there's still some dirt bags to join the military, but you at least got to have like a little bit of character if you're going to be like, all right, I'm going to go serve my country. You know what I mean? So I think that made it an easy sell for her parents. And Sheena, my parents always got along. Sheena and my mom are like best freaking friends. So yeah, the families have always been very supportive. That's never been any kind of,
01:16:46
Speaker
hurdle or obstacle at all in our relationship. Yeah. Very grateful for that. Definitely. Yeah. Like I hear people have like nightmare stories that are in laws and I just, I can't relate at all. Yeah. And neither one, I mean, we don't, it's not like, you know, we don't want to think we'll have like perfect families. Like everybody's got like, you know, family stuff, but like our, we just order something like that on the same wavelength. You know what I mean? Like all of our families are chill and you know, just down to earth people. Yeah.
01:17:29
Speaker
Yes, that's it that was a fun episode
01:17:33
Speaker
That's your homework. If you definitely listen to that Chick-fil-E show episode, that was hilarious. So obviously, long relationship, been together forever. Marriage advice, how do you guys keep it together? That's the thing, it's got to work out. You got to make effort every day. All right. Like I said, we're coming up on February, that'll be 20 years when Shina had been together. We're over 15 years married now at this point.
Marriage Advice: Effort and Commitment
01:18:02
Speaker
You just got to make it every day, man. If you go that long, there's going to be natural peaks and valleys where you're just closer, you kind of drift. Hopefully, you're never drifting because of the way you feel about each other. It's just life events, right? Having kids, you're still going on at work. It's hard to find the time and energy to invest in each other.
01:18:24
Speaker
but when you do get that opportunity to spend some time together you just gotta like i said just put in the effort and make the connection and then otherwise i'd give on people man i feel like you know obviously everybody's situation is different so i hope i'm not coming off too pretty here but i feel like in general people have become way too comfortable
01:18:42
Speaker
Um, like getting, you know, divorced or if you're not married yet, just splitting up, man. If you truly love somebody, you owe it to yourself and you owe it to them to just like stick with it until there's absolutely like zero hope whatsoever of working it out, man. Like, you know, bear with the rough times because me and Sheena have had
01:18:59
Speaker
I don't know, rough patches might be overstating or whatever, but we've had a few times where we haven't been on A1, grade A relationship status for a couple of weeks or months or whatever, but it's always worth it and you always come up stronger on the other side. So I would just say, fight for your relationship and just put in a little effort every day. I mean, marriage is a commitment.
01:19:23
Speaker
With dedication like each day to showing up and trying to work on it, you know, like you're like Seth said, like it's something every day and it's something that you have to be mindful of because it's easy to allow it to just like slip into like complacency and just
01:19:38
Speaker
you just feel like the other one already, you know, they know how much you love them. So you don't have to put in the effort, right? So just really making the effort to like, find something every day to let that person know that you love about them or appreciate about them, or just show them some affection. Because it is easy to just get caught up in your day, especially if you're both working and you got young kids and all these things going on, the day slips by and you both go to bed and neither one of you even talked to each other or
01:20:02
Speaker
shown each other one ounce of affection, and that turns into like days and weeks and months. And I think that's where people drift apart and they're like, Oh, well, we're not in love anymore. Well, it's not that you're not in love anymore. It's just that you guys kind of forgot how to be in love. Yeah, you haven't made the effort and haven't made the time. And I think also marriage advice is like, just marry somebody that you are friends with that you
01:20:26
Speaker
that you like. I mean, obviously, physical attraction is important. You want to be attracted to somebody. The spark's going to burn off, though, dude. It is. And you'll still recapture it from time to time, but that initial spark, it's going to burn off. The lusty part where you're just like, oh, wow. So infatuated with each other and stuff. Like he said, it doesn't matter how hot. I've seen people that I would be like, man, that's one of the hottest couples I've ever seen, and they couldn't make it work.
01:20:54
Speaker
matter. You know what I mean? Like that kind of stuff, that physical attraction, that's not the most important thing. So find somebody that you care about, somebody that's supportive of you and supportive of who you are. Be who you are, right? Don't fake the funk, right? Be who you are from the jump and allow people to get to know you and just understand that you're also going to evolve. You have to understand Seth and I were, I was 17 and he was 18 when we got together. And
01:21:18
Speaker
in the past 20 years, we have evolved so much as people and we've had to evolve together, you know, and sometimes that involves like, he evolves a little bit quicker than me and like, I'm like had to catch up and you know, vice versa. And, you know, we just got to stay in touch with each other and stay and communicate. And I think that's the most important thing.
01:21:37
Speaker
Sheena hit on one thing. If it's somebody that you got to fake it at all to be with, like if you got to like hide part of yourself or like, like that's like red flag, just bail. Cause there's no way you're going to be able to keep that up for a long time. Like eventually your true coach is going to show. You're never, you're never going to be able to fake it for forever. So that that's like red flag number one to get out of that situation.
01:21:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean you always put on a good you always put on a good your best foot forward when you're first meeting somebody like that's to be expected. But yeah, don't fake who you are. Don't try to impress people. I think I think a lot of people nowadays, especially with social media where it feels like everything has to be so impressive and so Instagram worthy like I don't try to impress people.
01:22:18
Speaker
like outside of your means and don't try to impress people with things that you don't even find interesting, right? Like if- Don't get me wrong, man. If you're just trying to hit it, yeah, do what you got to do to shoot your shot and get up in there for one night. But if you're trying to make a long lasting relationship, keep it real. Yeah, keep it real. I don't want to discourage anybody out there that's just trying to be Mr. Right for one night, man. Do what you got to do. Yeah, if you're on the prowl, then yeah, whatever, you know what I mean? Say everybody ain't trying to be Mr. Right. Some people just want to be Mr. Right now.
01:22:51
Speaker
Do what you gotta do. Yeah, but you're never gonna be able to fake it for long. Yeah, exactly. I just understand that you're both two individuals trying to make one life work, right? You have to commit to the life together because I feel like so often now we're preached at to be so independent and I don't need this person. You need to be your own person. You need to be relying on yourself. And then I think that takes away from your marriage, right? If you feel like, well, why am I even here? Why am I even sharing this life with somebody if I...
01:23:12
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
01:23:19
Speaker
If I don't need them, you know, because being in a marriage is, is a lot of work and it can be tiring and it can be, you know, a lot of effort. And if you don't feel like you need that person, you're going to give up. Yep.
01:23:36
Speaker
Yeah, I was actually going to say that the most important part of it is you don't want to think marriage is work, but it is work.
Work vs Family Priorities
01:23:45
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Any relationship is work. I used to say you come home from work.
01:23:51
Speaker
When you're at home now, that's your second shift. Speaking to that about work, I just want to say to everyone that yes, you need a paycheck. You have to have money to live. You have to pay your bills.
01:24:08
Speaker
don't put a job before your family or before your relationship because that job would replace you in a heartbeat, right? Like that job, if you left, they would find somebody else to take your spot tomorrow. And I've seen it so many times where people just like put their whole life and heart and energy and passion and everything that they should be sharing with their families and their loved ones.
01:24:32
Speaker
into their job and that causes their personal life to implode. And I'm just, I think it's so sad because ultimately that company doesn't care about you as much as your loved ones. Yeah. I see that tone in the military. Like, uh, you know, what Sheena just said, like just note on that. I tell that to my friends sometimes when I see them getting
01:24:51
Speaker
Putting work in front of their their personal life. So I'm like dude like if you got mowed down in the parking lot walking out of this job Like yeah, people would be sad, you know, you get a couple thoughts and prayers posts on Facebook But within a week they'd be trying to replace you man So yeah, like obviously, you know, I'm all about an honest days work for honest days pay man Like I'm very grateful for everything that my job has allowed me to do and the life it's provided for me and my family but I
01:25:16
Speaker
I have a hard stop on what I'm willing to do. And I think that's why I've been so successful at my job, man, is just because I'm all about that work-life balance. I'm going to give my job everything I got for this amount of time, and then I'm done. I don't think about it until I go back to work the next day.
01:25:32
Speaker
I think that's why you've had a lot of success with the people that you've been in charge of too because they appreciate that about you too because you instill that in them and it allows them to show up for work better because they get to show up for their personal lives better. Yeah. Yeah. I've been fortunate enough to be in a situation in the last seven or eight years where I'm really able to kind of set the culture at the workplace I'm at and that's definitely the vibe I'll give for everybody I work with. I'm like, dude, this is just a job. Like I said, we're going to do an honest days work for honest days pay and then we're going to go enjoy our lives.
01:26:01
Speaker
There are those people out there that are fortunate enough that they've been able to make a living off the stuff that's their true passion. And that's awesome, man. I'm envious of those guys, and that's great. But I'd say for most of us blue collar folks out there, just remember, your job's your job. It's just a way to keep a roof over
Pandemic and Work-Life Balance
01:26:16
Speaker
your head. And you should always put your family and friends and just yourself before your job. 100%.
01:26:29
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. You know, the good thing about it, too, nowadays is, you know, this, especially with like, you know, the pandemic that happened and stuff like that, there's a lot more emphasis on, you know, work life balance, because there are a lot of people that still work from home and stuff like that, too. So you still have that, like, you know, you still have that time with your family, essentially, even though you're still at home, but you're still at, you know, obviously, you're working at the same time, and you're able to, you know,
01:26:55
Speaker
hopefully, you're able to manage those two things separately. And like, for me, luckily, I work at a company where, you know, that's that that is the case. It's more, you know, yeah, America, especially the culture is don't be afraid. It's up in the morning. In the morning, they spread apart to all different parts of the city to do whatever school, work, job, whatever. And then they come back at the end of the day, everybody's exhausted, they come back together, and then they just sleep in there like,
01:27:23
Speaker
That's it, right? Like there's no connection. So I really want to empower people to just like come home and give the best to your family. Give what you need to give to your job and whatever else is out there, but come home and give like that passion. Don't just be complacent to come home and everybody just.
01:27:43
Speaker
sit down and not talk to each other and be on their phones and then separate into their separate bedrooms and wake up and do it again the next day, right? Like make time and make the effort to connect with your family. Um, and I think that goes a long way with, you know, just the longevity in your relationships and the, you know, and just like the strength of your relationships, especially with your kids, like
01:28:04
Speaker
I mean, thankfully, we're in a position where I can stay home with my kids. But if I had to send my kids away for so many hours every day, I would want to make sure that at the end of that day, I was connecting with them somehow. And I know it's hard. I'm not saying it's easy because God knows, even when I'm here with my kids, it's exhausting. So I can't even imagine going out into the world and then coming back every day to them.
01:28:25
Speaker
Just put your best effort. Every day is not going to be a good day, but try to have more good days than bad days. Yeah. At the end of it, man, there's literally one resource in the entire world that's never going to be renewable. You can't make any more of it, and that's time, man. You got to put a lot of value in your time. I hear boomers complaining about it and stuff, but if it's one thing I admire about our generation and the Gen Z generation coming up behind us is that
01:28:47
Speaker
I do feel like we started to really value our time. If there's one good thing that came out of the pandemic, like you said, Marco, I think that was it. People started to really think, shit, why was I spending 45, 50 hours a week at a job that's not really... It's keeping a roof over my head. It's paying the bills, but it's not really doing anything for my soul. It's not really making my life any better.
01:29:09
Speaker
And just finding ways like I think a lot of people during the pandemic found ways to simplify their life so that they could adjust their jobs and their work, right? Like they realize like, I don't need all this crap. I don't need all this extra. I don't need, you know, I don't need to impress people. I don't need to be impressive on social
Valuing Time Over Material Possessions
01:29:26
Speaker
media.
01:29:26
Speaker
I want to simplify and, you know, live within my means so that I can have more time. Because to me, that's the most important thing, like designer bags. All I mean, if you're in designer bags, cool. But that's not my thing. Right. Like that, that kind of stuff. I would rather have. Yep. That time with wrestling figures. Yeah, I would rather have. Even you, you simplified. You you've cut down tremendously on wrestling. You know, the sneakers. Yeah. Or sneakers. Yeah.
01:29:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it definitely helps. Like I said, especially if you have like that, like me, I'll pull the, you know, I'll break K fame too. So like, you know, even when I started the show, I think that was kind of when I first worked out, she wanted to make sure that every time she was like, it was just you and the kids by yourself. So I would, yeah.
01:30:28
Speaker
Yeah, yep. And so, I mean, so, you know, transparency, I'd be doing that. So, like, and it's still kind of like that now. So, like, I'll come home. I mean, technically, I'll come home from work, but I'll work. I'm doing, like, obviously, that's the other thing, a lot of hybrid models. So, I'll be, like, in the office sometimes. I'll be at home sometimes working, doing the same thing. But it's the same routine for me. I'll, you know, stop my time at work. And, you know, it's dad time. So, like, you know, my wife gets home
01:30:55
Speaker
like around like almost like 738 at night. So between that time, that's dinner, bedtime duties. So I'm doing all that still by myself, but you have to, you can't, like you guys are saying, you can't let your work. And I'm not trying to glamorize like bedtime and dinner time. Like that's like the witching hour. It takes everything. It's not the witching hour, that's like no. Yeah, yeah.
01:31:21
Speaker
It takes every ounce of energy and patience, but I can tell you when I look back at when Brett was even just like two years ago, you're looking at videos of Brett from two years ago and I think about all the times putting him down to bed and having him sleep in our bed and all that. I regret none of it. Even in that moment when I'm so freaking tired, I know in a year when I look back on that, I will be like, I'm not going to regret it. I just think that's something to keep in mind when you're so tired and your patience is more thin and
01:31:49
Speaker
You're just like dreading taking the kids up to get them bathed and calm down enough to where they'll finally fall asleep at the end of the day.
01:32:05
Speaker
See to me, that's like, for me, that's like fun time. That's like, you know, they're in the bath, they're having fun, they're playing and stuff like that. I try to, you know, try to make it, you know, as fun as I can. We usually do five minutes play time between the bath. Try to make it as fun as possible.
01:32:28
Speaker
Yeah. Like I said, even with me, another thing on the weekends, don't even touch my phone. The weekends are completely for family. Wife, kids get all the attention. If you don't see me on the live threads that we do, that's one of the main reasons why.
01:32:52
Speaker
I want to jump on, but at the same time, I might be doing something. My son's into wrestling now, so he might be sitting up with us a little bit later, that the girls are watching whatever premium live event is on at the time and stuff like that. Just sit with him and try to explain to him stuff. We talked about the deadline. That makes your mind from it. Yeah, I actually got to know that one too. The rules and stuff like that.
01:33:21
Speaker
why are there numbers, why are there points and all that stuff. Why are there points? What's that? Because he's reading now, so he's reading all the names and stuff like that. Yeah, that's the good stuff. People who aren't parents or don't want to be parents that are listening to this, sorry for all the parents you're talking about.
01:33:41
Speaker
We're in the thick of that right now. We were talking about relationships and how it can be monotonous and stuff. I will tell you after you have kids, it's just a totally different level of commitment to your marriage and to being thoughtful and kind to one another because you're just so overwhelmed. That's a lot.
01:34:04
Speaker
Exactly, yeah, exactly, 100%. Those little eyes don't miss anything. Yeah, those eyes you hear are seen here. You can also set the example for your children as well. Will they become more aware? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Brett just turned five. He does not miss a thing. Oh, yeah, especially when they hit that four, five, maybe even six-year-old range. That's when they're... Yeah. They start regurgitating stuff back to you. They start asking questions. They become more aware.
01:34:32
Speaker
and all the stuff. So you got to be more mindful and be more attentive and stuff. So obviously, you're doing that anyway with their babies and toddlers and stuff. But as they get older, you still have to be more on them and stuff and be aware of what you're doing. No, being a parent is the best. If you're even thinking about it, just do it. We didn't want to have kids for a long time, and then we finally were just going to give you such a deeper sense of purpose than you're like. It is what it is.
01:35:04
Speaker
I want to pivot to the Chick-Fully branded. I asked Sheena this when she was on the show. I want to ask you, Seth,
01:35:18
Speaker
What do you see the check for the brand going i did ask the term of the camera guys i have there you know they have their idea of where they want to take i mean i hope it doesn't sound like we would you like to see what we got the check for me i think we got a good thing going like no indeed the field the field has got so like we're talking like business side of it right like breaking out like it to make basically leveling up from from where we're at now.
01:35:41
Speaker
The field's just gotten so wide, man. I'm glad Sheena made that account back in 2015, dude. I don't want to discourage anybody from trying to turn a hobby into a side hustle now, but dude, it's just so crowded.
01:36:00
Speaker
So, yeah, I mean, I think you really get a niche down now. Like now you got to be like a niche of a niche. Yeah, you have to be like so fine tuned to what you're presenting to your audience that and you have to stay within that niche. Whereas like when I was opening my account, like it was just broad wrestling. It was all over the map. So. So, yeah, I mean.
01:36:19
Speaker
I don't like I said, dude, I want to keep I want to keep pumping out quality content.
Chick-Fil-E Brand Strategy
01:36:25
Speaker
I'm always every time we sit down to record a podcast, I want to be the best podcast we've ever done. Right. So I want to keep just fine tuning that. But I don't have any strong aspirations for this, like blowing up, man. I mean, there's always a chance like maybe maybe Sheena has some sort of hot take that for whatever reason just catches fire and levels up again. But it's just tough nowadays, man, like the
01:36:49
Speaker
I forget what show I was listening to. It was actually a writer. So he was talking about sports talk, right? Like breaking out with like sports podcasts. And he was talking about how difficult it was when he was breaking in in like the late 90s because there was a very, very narrow pathway to actually like becoming a success in the field of like sports talk radio. Right. And he said nowadays the pathway is much shorter, but it's way wider. Right. So like
01:37:16
Speaker
Yeah it's a little bit it's not as there's not as many hurdles in between like you know starting a podcast and becoming like a big money maker but you're competing with you know thousands of people and stuff so the fact that we've got the little foothold we have.
01:37:31
Speaker
Cause we're still like, I think, you know, we got our Spotify wrap. We're still in like, you know, the top 10% of most subscribed to podcasts, most listened to podcasts, which is awesome, man. Which is really, really great. Um, I don't have any aspirations as blown up bigger than it is. I just want to continue to make better and better content and form a deeper connection, um, with all of the listeners and specifically the Foley fam there in the, uh, the, the Patreon Facebook group. Yep. Mm.
01:38:00
Speaker
No, that's the same. I feel like I really appreciate what we're doing. There was a time when we were hustling and grinding and recording like every other night, putting out content, like, you know, video content every other night. And it took the, yeah, it took a lot of the joy out of it because like there would be times like I would just want to do at the end of the night, like sit down with Seth and like watch TV show or like watch a movie. Yeah. We got to do another video.
01:38:24
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Oh, we gotta, you know, uh, do an episode of Unboxed Mania or we gotta, you know, do it this Patreon exclusive episode or whatever. And we liked doing it. It was just like, it was on top of everything else. It was so much. And so it did take the joy out of it for me. And I didn't re find that joy until we just like, you know, the, you know, breaks a little bit and just kind of like started playing it by ear a little bit more, you know?
01:38:57
Speaker
Yeah, no, no, definitely. And I think, you know, I think it, like I said, I think it helps too with like, what we're doing now with like, you know, obviously have the chick fully the main show, the flagship show. But then you have like, you have this show, you have the pod warriors, exactly what you guys do. And obviously we have, you know, the pod foundation and
01:39:16
Speaker
you know, all those guys pumping out content every week. Well, I think people, I just want to keep a little behind the curtains because even though I've never been like a content creator on like a massive scale, I know a lot about it. And I want to just pull back the curtain a little bit and tell people like if you have the aspirations of like building a business on social media and stuff like that, that's great. And it's very possible for anybody to do that. But it is hard.
01:39:40
Speaker
And it takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of dedication and it takes a lot of time and energy and mental bandwidth. And for me right now, just in this space of life that I'm in, I'm not willing to give up certain things in my life to do that. I'm kind of at like one night a week, man. That's why we've been doing long balls on Tuesday. And that's for the most price when we've been doing Chick Foley show now. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of one night a week. I know, Marco, you got the raw down. You guys do raw down every Wednesday night, right? Thursday. Yeah.
01:40:10
Speaker
Yeah, yep. It's every Thursday now. Yeah, every Thursday, then I'll do this, you know, depending on who I have for, you know, to interview. I mean, there was a week, I think it was like a two week span when I didn't have anybody. Yeah, I mean, the good thing about the good thing about something like this show is it's not it's not it's a band thing. You had like you recorded four nights a week, you could bash and then not record four straight weeks, you know, so it's like,
01:40:38
Speaker
It's one of those things where it's like, that's an easy way for you to kind of find that work-life balance. Yeah, I'm at a point now where I'm like one or two nights a week is where my passion's at for podcasting slash creating content. Yeah, we post every single day on the Instagram account. I mean, we're still doing that regularly.
01:40:58
Speaker
The other videos itself is a lot of work, dude. I really admire the people, and we weren't doing super intense videos. We were doing typically three cut together. I was editing within the app. I was doing all just simple stuff. The people who do the really intense detail videos, like hats off to them. Like my MDT. Yeah. Shout out to that guy. Yeah. That's a lot of work.
01:41:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. How they do it, they do it. They use it just constantly. If we didn't have kids, we didn't have kids. Seeing how they work and how they operate. We didn't have kids, it'd be a lot easier, man. Your kids just take up so much emotional time, energy, all of your bandwidth, man. They just suck it up right away, dude.
01:41:55
Speaker
And it's a good thing. I'm not complaining. Like I said earlier, it's the most fulfilling thing you could possibly do. It really puts things into perspective. I think it's the best way to put it. I think it kind of just makes you really evaluate how you spend your time and what kind of energy, your level of energy that you're putting into what you're doing. Yeah.
01:42:22
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. My next question, actually, two more questions. I ask this question every single episode. You know what it's going to be. It's wrestling oriented.
Wrestling Match Recommendations for Non-Fans
01:42:37
Speaker
It's basically taking the scenario of that person that's evergreen and not really a wrestling fan. They don't get it. They're like, why the hell do you watch this stuff? What would be the match for each of you
01:42:51
Speaker
that would pull that person into person. I can't get enough for you to see more. What's that one match that you would show that person? Not a fan like they know of.
01:43:06
Speaker
Yeah, they know of wrestling. Maybe they watched it when they were younger and got away from it. They didn't really stay deep into it, but they happened to be after hell. This isn't my awesome favorite match by any means. I have a magnificent seven that I could go and take if you wanted. What's that one match? My seven best matches ever, but I think the most purely entertaining, in the most broadest sits,
01:43:30
Speaker
is WeLC. I knew you were going to say that. I was going to say that. This is El Torito versus Hornswoggle. El Torito's got Los Matadores in his corner. Hornswoggle's got 3MB with Peace Slater and two future WWE champions, Drew McIntyre and Jinder Mahal.
01:43:51
Speaker
So you got awesome action, right? Like, because Hornswoggle and El Torito can both go. So you got some great moves. You got some big high spots with the VLC. You got the comedy. And then you just got the overall drama of the match, dude. Like, I really, like, it's crazy to say, you know, of all the amazing wrestling over the last few years. But that match is just perfect, dude. Like, that is absolutely, like, pro wrestling perfection, like, in the broadest sense, right? Like I said, comedy, drama, action, everything.
01:44:20
Speaker
So, if I had one match to show somebody to get them hooked on pro wrestling, it would be VLC from Extreme Rules 2014. I knew you were going to say that. So, I have a couple and mine are in that same vein where it's like, you know,
01:44:33
Speaker
Somebody who doesn't watch wrestling isn't going to, isn't going to appreciate like a technical masterpiece or something that's had like some long-term storytelling where it's like, it's paying off. Yeah. And like a nuanced way or like, you know, um, like the young bucks are nodding to hangman, you know, to do the buckshot Larry, like that, that stuff's not going to appeal to somebody who's just watching wrestling for the first time.
01:44:52
Speaker
So I would say something like, if I was going to go with the cinematic match, I would do the Boneyard match. I think that would be a good one to get somebody hooked on because it's just, it's a really well-made match. It's a lot of fun. It's the freaking undertaker, you know? But on a more janky scale, I think the Halloween Havoc, 1991, the Chamber of Horrors match.
01:45:16
Speaker
I would, I think that is like such a much, like a bunch of Halloween effery that like, I feel like, I feel like that would confirm the worst. If it was somebody that wasn't into wrestling whatsoever, I thought they would be like, this is the dumbest shit I've ever watched in my life. It would be so fun though. I mean, I feel like that match is only entertaining for hardcore wrestling fans because it's the worst of what wrestling fans are. You may be right.
01:45:41
Speaker
because it's just, it's so campy and amazing. Like I just, I love every, I love everything that goes wrong in that match. I loved it. The little, the little lever doesn't stay up in cactus. Jack has like, stand up there and like hold it. I love that, uh, you know, that I catch the freaking cage on fire before, uh, the chamber on fire before the match even starts.
01:46:00
Speaker
Like that stuff just like tickles my funny bone, but you're probably right. Other again, that's like the complete opposite into the spectrum of like appreciating a technical masterpiece. They're not going to appreciate the, the campiness. So yeah, I guess I'll go with the Boneyard match.
01:46:22
Speaker
Does it? I knew he was gonna say that. I had it freaking cute of me. I have so much admiration for that match day. That is pro wrestling perfection day. It goes out of your way to watch the VLC match if you haven't seen it.
01:46:45
Speaker
Yes, to me, I always go with like, I always go with like, obviously, I go with Halloween Havoc, you know, Eddie Guerrero, Ray Mysterio, just for the, you know,
01:46:55
Speaker
Basically, because you're seeing that now, but my favorite one, I think I would show somebody. Yeah, that's a great match. If you want to watch, you know, get back into wrestling, it's Roddy Piper and Bret Hart at Wrestle Media 8 for some reason. I don't know, because it's, you know, you have Bret Hart, the super serious, you know, professional wrestler. Especially if you get started with that promo, that backstage promo they did right before where Roddy Piper's like goofing off and Bret Hart's like, yeah, seriously.
01:47:24
Speaker
You're getting both. I do love that match, man. That's a great one. Yeah. Yeah, like. And it's it gives it gives like a showcase of like what.
01:47:39
Speaker
wrestling is as far as like the you know fundamental part of it with Bret Hart and then the other part of wrestling which is the entertaining part which is uh Roddy Piper and you know obviously the match itself like they brawl they do like literally everything they play both sides uh really well with that
01:47:55
Speaker
Um, and you know, since, um, since this is a holiday season, um, this is the first time on the show. I have very specific movie can't just happen around Christmas for it to be considered a Christmas movie. Like it can't just have a Christmas backdrop for it to be a Christmas movie. Like it actually has to have like Christmas.
01:48:21
Speaker
elements to it. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I say no, but I mean, I've been proven wrong in this argument before. I've been swayed on this argument before, I guess I should say. Um, but my heart of hearts, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie. Dude, John McClain is a family man. Like there's, it happens on Christmas Eve. It's all about family over greed, right? Like, cause there, you know, he's trying to just get back to his family for Christmas.
01:48:47
Speaker
Yep. Whereas the terrorist trying to get that money. His name is John. You know, John the Apostles. Like there's if you go deep into it, there's a whole lot of I remember you giving me this whole speech before because I can't remember why we were talking about this. But yeah, I think it's indubitably a Christmas movie. I'm going with I don't know.
01:49:12
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I mean, it's a Christmas party at the, uh, Nakatoma Plaza where the setting is at. It's, you know, it's, if you look at all the old posters, they do like, you know, like even, even a movie, like something stupid, like, I mean, it's not stupid because I cry every time I watch it, but like family stone, like it's like, it's like a kind of an out there movie, but it, it centers around the family getting together at Christmas. Like that's why all these people from different parts of the state and the city and out of town, everything are all together again. Like it's because it's Christmas.
01:49:41
Speaker
This is a terrorist attack at a Christmas Eve office party, and it ends with snowing in Los Angeles. A fucking Christmas miracle, dude. It's as Christmas as it gets, man. Yeah. Die Hard is an all-time great action movie. In addition to being an all-time great Christian movie, it's a great action movie.
01:50:11
Speaker
I think like every year, I think ladies, I think women just have different ideas of what Christmas is. And while we're at it, let's just mention Die Hard's all time, like the biggest disparity between the original movie and the sequels, dude. The sequels just suck. They lost the whole thread of what Die Hard was, man. Because Die Hard was all about a regular guy, like just a regular fucking shitty cop getting into like this really crazy situation. Then suddenly he's like fucking the born identity by a part three, dude. Like, it just doesn't make sense.
01:50:51
Speaker
He, uh, yeah, I mean, just to go to that movie too. Apparently like when that movie was made, obviously, you know, Bruce Willis wasn't known as a action hero. That was like, you know, that was like, yeah, he was a TV star. It was like, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger and, you know, Sevastopol were like the, the guy, the go-to guys for this. So he was kind of like out of it anyway, but apparently I was reading that like that kind of like made on the fly. Like they like.
01:51:19
Speaker
like a lot of the scenes and stuff like that was like, you know, they were just going by the seat of their pants, essentially, like, no, not a big budget. They were just like, you know, trying things out. And, you know, so like, if they were to have that, like, big budget, if it was a big budget blockbuster action movie, probably wouldn't have been as good. But knowing that it's like, you know, it was kind of just like this, like, you know, just those moving together, see what the hell it does. And it became this big phenomenon is is a Christmas miracle in itself to me anyway.
01:51:48
Speaker
That's what I say, but I mean, we'll let everyone else judge if that movie's a Christmas movie or not. True. I'm in the vein where it is a Christmas movie, because I mean...
01:52:01
Speaker
What's Christmas with all guns and violence, I mean? But, man, so this episode is definitely the longest. Yeah, we're going to be seeing this bedtime, dude. She may fall asleep if they don't wrap this thing up. Yeah. Open mic episode, which I was interested in. It's past my bedtime, but it's like we started in my bedtime. This is great. I know, right? Thank you for having us, man. This was a blast.
01:52:28
Speaker
But yeah, this is great. Thank you both for being on. I'm glad I fulfilled your wishes, Seth, on being on the show. I wasn't being mean or anything like that. I was just trying to figure out the dates and stuff like that. I know you're both busy on YouTube.
01:52:50
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But yeah, like I said, this was great. Very Merry Christmas to all the open mic listeners and a happy new year. We'll continue into the new year with some fun stuff. Oh yeah, definitely. We'll catch you next time. Later.