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EP 130: Mom Group Drama
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This week on Mom Group Chat, we’re diving into the celebrity mom-group drama that has been everywhere — and unpacking why it hit such a nerve.
We break down what actually happened with Ashley Tisdale, Hilary Duff, Mandy Moore, and the now-viral conversation around “toxic” mom groups, exclusion, and evolving friendships in adulthood. From subtle social media moves to public reactions (including when partners get involved 👀), we talk through what’s fact, what’s speculation, and why this story feels so familiar to so many moms.
Because let’s be honest — you don’t have to be famous to know what it’s like to outgrow a friend group, feel left out, or realize a dynamic just isn’t serving you anymore.
We also shift gears and recap some of our favorite moments from the Golden Globe Awards — from standout looks to pop-culture moments that had everyone talking, plus our totally unqualified but very passionate opinions.
✨ In this episode, we chat about:
- What makes a mom group feel supportive vs. draining
- Whether “toxic” is the right word — or just a reflection of misalignment
- How adult friendships change after kids
- The role of social media in amplifying private experiences
- Why this drama resonated with so many women
- Our Golden Globes highlights, fashion moments, and pop culture takes
As always, this is a judgment-free, sides-not-taken conversation — just real talk about motherhood, friendships, and navigating relationships in this season of life.
Grab your coffee (or wine), and let’s chat. 💬
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:07
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There's no right way to do it.
00:00:12
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Oh, we're going to get into it. What up, moms? This is Whitney Williams, and I'm here. I don't know. I don't remember. I was too nervous about my voice.
00:00:24
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i can do it. You want me to do it? Okay. Yeah. Okay. What up moms? My name is Candice and I'm here with my very horse and rescue best friend, Whitney Williams. And this is the mom group chat podcast. I thought you were going to mess up with me no you sound, uh, you sound better than you did yesterday. Yesterday. You literally sounded like a clown horn. You were like, but yeah like,
00:00:51
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I know, but we got to get this done. So yeah, we we have an episode or we really wanted to put or we really wanted to do this episode. I know I did.
Buzz about Celebrity Mom Groups
00:01:02
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There's been so much online discourse about all of the mom group drama, um the celeb mom group drama, I should say. And to be honest, like if I'm being real honest about it, I'm kind of sick of hearing about it already. But I was listening to The Toast as I do sometimes. And
00:01:21
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they literally said the exact words. Like I can't, or like, I wish I could see what the mom group chat was saying about this. That's like what they were saying. That's exactly what they said. And I was like, Well, and that's our pod That's my pod. And you will be hearing from us. Okay. And I'm going to clip.
00:01:40
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I'm going to pull a clip of the toast of them saying, I wish I could see what the mom group chat was saying about this. And then I'm going to stitch a clip of us talking about it to be like, well, you're in luck. That is what going to discuss.
00:01:51
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You're so funny. I'm glad you um clocked that because i i mean, I obviously know what's going on because I follow all the news outlets or the pop culture ones at least. and Right.
00:02:04
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But I haven't like taken a deep dive, but I feel like this is a good time to talk about celebrity stuff anyway because Golden Globes just happened. This is going be – be a little bit of like celebs, celeb discussion. It's going to be a little about mom group discussion and just a little bit of everything in between, you know?
00:02:26
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Yeah.
Whitney's Illness and Humor
00:02:27
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And yeah, as Candace said, I've been sick, so don't mind my voice. i just sound like I smoke. i was going to say, you don't sound that bad, really. if anything, I feel like you're talking a little bit quiet, but I can pump you up in post edit.
00:02:43
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I'll pump you up. na then and and in um But you're feeling better than yesterday, right I am I'm feeling better. I never really felt bad. It was just like my voice begun. It just like disappeared. And I was like, okay, this is drainage or whatever the hell happened, like took over my life. I never lost like nasal breathing, which you know is the worst when when you're laying there and you're like, I took breathing for granted. I never felt like that. It just was like i was a little coughing every time I laid down and i woke up without a voice. It was weird. Yeah.
00:03:19
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Damn. I really feel like it happened overnight. Like literally on Monday you were fine and then you messaged me yesterday and I was like, oh, you're not fine. Like what happened? Literally Monday I was like ranting and raving. It was just one of those bad days I was having, which i was like, I haven't had one of those in a really long time. And it just was like, boom, one thing after another. And I'm like, I was telling Candice about it and then I woke up Tuesday feeling like this and I was like, this is not my week. This is just not it.
00:03:50
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Well, i ah feel like I also had one. I really did have one of those days yesterday where just like everything in the morning was so hard and so like so much. And i just feel a little like run down, which is kind of crazy to say because like we literally just got back into work from the holidays. But it's just been a full sprint back into work. and I was going to touch on this a little bit about some of my new hobbies before we like get into the topic.
Candice's New Interests: Tarot and Sourdough
00:04:20
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Okay.
00:04:21
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Which this leads into one of my new hobbies, which is tarot cards. I feel like this is like kind of controversial, but not really. It shouldn't be. I think there's a lot of misunderstandings about tarot, but this has been like a new random hobby of mine. I've been into tarot cards. This is so random.
00:04:44
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I know, but i I've been kind of curious about them for a while. And i fell onto tarot card TikTok for a while. And then on my birthday, I treated myself to my very first set of tarot cards, like ah my very first deck of tarot cards. And so I've been like doing them every day and giving myself little readings and learning about all the cards. And yesterday when I came home from my very hard drop off morning, i was like, okay, I need to like clear my clear my energy and like I'm going to pull it i'm goingnna do a little tarot card pull to see what the universe is telling me that I need to like let go of. you know And you guys, it was so accurate. It always is. It always is. It was like so accurate about like, and it was just a literally like telling me I'm carrying too much and that I need to like hand some things off. And that I was not taking care of myself. And then that all happened yesterday. And then I woke up this morning and I had a sore throat and I was like, literally the like it's like coming to life.
00:05:49
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So anyways, I've been into the tarot. If that sounds like it is like kind of a weird thing, I think, but also I don't know. I was telling my friend, our well, our friend Mackenzie about it. And she I was like, is it weird? And she was like, it's really not that weird. She was like, i kind of see tarot cards as like the next step for people who are like really into horoscope, which is kind of me. She was like, it tracks for you.
00:06:16
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And it's just like a tool for self-reflection. Like it's basically a way for you to, every card has a message. So it's like a way for you to take that message and like think about how it applies to your own life and like use it as a tool for self-reflection. And it's honestly been such a good thing for my mental health, weirdly. um so anyways, that's my first hobby.
00:06:42
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well i feel like you're moving in on my energy. Like that's giving Halloween in my head and also like the Disney prison princess that you gave me is they do tarot cards on Princess and the Frog. And I'm like, you're moving in on my territory here.
00:06:59
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I'm sorry, but I'm into it. It's it's called Me, and i am loving the tarot. I love, like, now my friends who I have told about it, they'll be like, can you do ah a mini reading for me if they have, like, oh something they have a question about? And so I've been pulling cards, and then I send them voice notes about, like, what the tarot told me. Yeah.
00:07:21
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And just to be clear, the tarot is not something that's like – it's not supposed to tell your – it doesn't tell your future. It doesn't like predict the future. It's simply just like a tool for self-reflection. And I think that's what – in the media, it's like, you know, advertised as like, oh, you see a tarot card reader and they tell you the future. But that's like not really what tarot is. Yeah.
00:07:46
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Really cool. It always reminds me of like the craft or something. Not that they do that. and They do something with cards, but yeah know that's fun. I don't know. So random, but it's been kind of like a fun hobby for me. It's got me off my phone. you know like I feel like I'm just trying to find things that are getting me off of my phone. And the other thing, which if you follow me on Instagram, you see I was gifted sourdough starter for Christmas And I have now started my sourdough journey.
00:08:19
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And i it's become my whole personality. i don't know what else to say. I'm like so 2000 and late to this. Everyone did this in COVID. Like I know I'm not new or special here. okay But...
00:08:32
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It's so fun. And I really am loving it. And I am just the amount of time. I know I said this on Instagram, but the amount of times I've talked to Chad GBT about this jar of goo that I'm like keeping alive is crazy, but it's just so fun to do.
00:08:48
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And it's the year of hobbies. Yeah, it is. It totally is. And I'm just trying to get, like I said, trying to get off of my phone. And I feel like sourdough and the tarot, sourdough and the tarot are keeping me off my phone.
00:09:05
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I feel like you do so much. Like you do that. You have the podcast. You have your own business. You have a newsletter. I'm like, i don't have the energy. Like you're full steam ahead.
00:09:17
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yeah I've had a lot of people tell me that recently that I like do too much or not that I do too much that like they're like how do you do all of the things you do which like is a compliment but it also sometimes makes me think like am I doing too much like I probably should put some things down but I just like I guess I like to stay busy i don't know yeah I do I know. I feel like my only hobby this year was joining the gym, but that's like so me though. Like, yeah, that's perfect. One and done.
00:09:57
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And then I'm just, I get like super fixated on it and then I'm psycho. Well, you went to the freaking gym this morning while you're sick. Yeah. talk about that. That was a grave mistake. But it's just because like i I'm like, i don't want to waste my money. Like I need to go. And then i was like, I shouldn't have been here because it was a cardio day. And I'm like, ah I'm tired.
00:10:23
Speaker
But whatever, it's done. I didn't give it like my full self, but I just like moved. So was good. You moved your meat. Yep. see Well, I don't know if anyone is on their sourdough journey and wants to send me some tips. My first loaf was ah pretty good, like a seven and a half out of 10, I would say. But it was a little dense and a little flat, but it's fine. I learned a lot and I'm making another loaf on Friday. That's my plan. Was it good though?
00:10:54
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It My kids ate it for dinner that night. Like they had a slice of bread with dinner. um the dinner I'm making tonight, I'm planning to make some garlic bread to go along with it. Does it only make sourdough? Like I'm like a, a yeast roll girl.
00:11:11
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No, I could definitely make different types. I'm not there yet. I don't know. I am lasered in on just a sourdough loaf. It will always be like I think like sourdough-esque because it's I'm using sourdough starter to make the bread. Like it will always have that like sourdough flavor, I think, but which I love sourdough. Did you buy from, ah did you buy from speaking of a mom group? Did you buy from my friend or where did you get it?
00:11:43
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Get what? Your sourdough starter. Oh, it was gifted to me by my sister-in-law. So I literally got a jar of goo for a Christmas. But I was so happy when I received it. because she like gave you the goo. That's nice. yeah, yeah. So just had to like start keeping it alive. Yeah. um Yeah. This girl in my due date group who's really smart and really funny. um She started Mother and Crumb and she does like, you isn't it? And she has like all these starters and how to do it. And her TikToks are so funny.
00:12:18
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You got to follow her because it's so good. I'm going to send it to you right now.
00:12:24
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Yeah, I do love her stuff. um She has the cutest stuff. I follow her on Instagram for sure. Okay, good, good. Yeah. Oh, she's funny. I do feel a little bit of like, it's funny because I just said for people to send me tips and stuff, but I do feel a little bit like with sourdough, there's so much information out there that it's like kind of overwhelming, which is why I- You're like, Whitney, don't send me another profile to look No, no, no. I do. I just feel like everyone has a different, like, technique or whatever. So I am – I'm just trying to find what works for me and my sourdough starter. I don't know. It's, like, so – like, everyone has a different –
00:13:08
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like recipe and technique. So it's so funny you say that because um I agree. Like, you know how I was saying, like, if I were to start a hobby, I would love to do like needle point or whatever. i Like goal in life is to make my children's stockings for them to have for the rest of the life. Like, I think that is so cute. And they're so expensive if you buy them. They're like $900 if you buy like a custom, mes um, yeah, stalking.
00:13:33
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But I think it's like, I don't, I don't like to be, I don't like to be self-taught. Like I don't want to watch videos. I've never wanted to do that. That's why I'm not good at like, I don't like to watch makeup videos. I can't, I just can't self-start. Like I need someone to come in show me how to do it. And then I'm good. Like I'm good.
00:13:54
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I love to teach myself things. I know. That's like you you are like a self-starter. I just like I need that like I don't know the um physical learning of it to be able to grasp. Like the accountability of like a person. I just need the grasp of like someone already like has mastered it. Show me one time I'm good. I don't want to watch a video because I'll fuck it up and then I just get frustrated and I'm over it.
00:14:20
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yeah I get that. And that's why you're good at every like you're like, oh, I don't know how to do a podcast. I'll just watch how people start one. Like I just would have never done that. And you're like, oh, I can do sound and blah, blah, blah. I'm just like, I just not in my wheelhouse.
00:14:38
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I yeah, I've been that way since I was little. Like even I remember so many things when I was little, I would just like teach myself how to like do things like I don't know. I've always been that way. I like to, which is, you you would think I would have liked school, but I hated school, which is kind of weird.
00:14:58
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Maybe because someone was telling you what to do. Yeah. like I can do it myself. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't just didn't love school, but yeah, I love teaching myself things on the internet. So I was like decent at school, but not Not in love. Like I wasn't like I wouldn't consider myself like my husband who's so good at school.
00:15:23
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You know, I'm just like I'm not that level. I'm mid. and h Well, OK, this is interesting. I mean, we're getting on a tangent now, but it's interesting because like when I think about I think the reason I like to teach myself things is because I like I like learn by doing like I just want to dive in and I think where I struggled with school is that it's a lot of like Learning before you actually do like I'm great in the real world like I It's one of those things. I always thought about I think I would have been a great nurse But I would have been great if I if they had just like put me into the field and taught me as i did it I would be amazing But the fact that I had to sit through sit through years of chemistry and like whatever, that's where you lost me. You know what i mean? Yeah, for sure. um I just learn by doing, you know? Yeah.
00:16:18
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I guess I do too, but like in a different way. yeah Like I'm not going to do it myself. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, we're all different and that's what makes it. The more you know.
00:16:32
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is Okay. Shall we dive into talking about
Ashley Tisdale's Toxic Mom Group Experience
00:16:36
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the mom group drama? Mm-hmm. Okay. I'm going to give just like a general recap because I feel like a lot of people have definitely already heard this story and whatever.
00:16:46
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So it all started when Ashley Tisdale wrote a personal essay titled Breaking Up With My Toxic Mom Group. She wrote it for her blog and then it was picked up by The Cut.
00:16:58
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And she talks about her experience in a circle of moms that began as supportive, but eventually became like exclusive and cliquish and emotionally draining. And in her words, like mean girl behavior in adulthood. um and she said she eventually left the group because it no longer served her emotionally. She did not name any individuals in the essay.
00:17:21
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Um, so then her husband, Christopher friend shared a cryptic supportive quote on social media about conserving your energy and choosing your battles wisely.
00:17:34
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so while she didn't name names, there have been a lot of speculation and outlets like quickly connecting the dots based on prior photos and social media interactions and And the names most commonly linked to the group are Hilary Duff, Mandy Moore, and Meghan Trainor. And it's my understanding that all of these moms had babies during COVID and had their own little like Hollywood COVID pod, it seems.
00:18:00
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um And so there's no official confirmation of that, but these women were definitely part of the group based on what we've seen on social media and like in the past five years.
00:18:13
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So since then, there's been some like escalation of it. And that is that Hillary Duff's husband publicly mocked Ashley Tisdale's essay on social media. And um he actually created a fake magazine cover calling her the most self-obsessed tone deaf person on earth.
00:18:31
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Tone derf. The most self-obsessed tone deaf person on earth. Yeah.
00:18:42
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Turn derf. Turn derf? Turn derf. Oh my gosh. Okay. I feel like we need to redo that. You're fine. Or leave it in. Whatever. made me laugh. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know.
00:18:53
Speaker
So in the context of a dad's perspective on mom's group, like that was like his perspective. Yeah. So there's been some like other public responses by Becca Tobin from Glee, who like criticized Hillary's husband for like inserting himself. Megan Trainor's chimed in who she's definitely a part of the group. It seems to me as though she's just using this as like promo opportunity for some of her songs.
00:19:20
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Hmm. And then Haley Duff, Hillary's sister, who is very well known that Haley and Hillary do not speak and are not related. or like not, they're obviously related, but they do not, they're not close and do not speak. I don't think, uh, Haley came out in support of Tisdale.
00:19:40
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So, Yeah. There are so many things to unwrap in this that I'm just like, oh many anything have questions. i didn't I didn't know about the beef with, can we wait, can we end like, before we like dive into, I just need to, what happened with Hillary and Haley?
00:19:59
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I think it has to do with politics. Okay. I think. And de Becca like make the statement on their podcast? I think Doesn't she have one? Okay. Yeah. like Yeah, like don't insert yourself in this.
00:20:15
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Also, Hillary's new song is like kind of fun. Have you heard it? what? Yes. Not that. Yeah. It's like, what are you doing? It's cringy. What are you doing? It's one of those...
00:20:29
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ah Yeah, to I did listen to it and I was just like, ooh, this don't land with me. She's just one of those people who like. Everyone loves her, though.
00:20:40
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No, I actually really do like her. i just don't. I, and I speak for myself here. I was not someone who was like begging for Hilary Duff music personally. That's so true. It's like, why? We're we're not, we don't need it. Why do we need to go here? That's my first thing is like, I don't really, I wasn't like one of the ones that was like, oh my God, Hilary is putting out new music. And then if she did put out new music, like she did, i didn't need it for it to be sexy or like sexual. I, I i don't think, I don't relate Hilary Duff with sex.
00:21:15
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Well, and it's like, it's giving, like she was trying to re-imitate her old stuff, like talking about roommates. And it's like, girl, we're in our like 30s. We haven't had roommates in years. Like, what are you doing? yeah yeah i don't know. So, I don't know.
00:21:36
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Yeah, that, I didn't realize Meghan Trainor was in this group. I, um... I did know Mandy Moore and Hillary. so like But i have I keep seeing her TikToks specifically. Yeah. And she is looking kind of crazy right now, which I'm not trying to like shame. But she is so thin. It's like weird. I'm like, wow. um And then um what else? I saw where...
00:22:05
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What's her name? Is her name a Christina? And she was like, um she was Kim Possible. Like she was also like a Disney. yeah yeah She's been posting a lot about it too. saw. there Here's the deal with all of this drama that I find annoying personally is like everyone is just using this to like ride the coattails and gets us a five second like you know, People Magazine is picking up things left and right to just like extend this story even more.
Media, Mom Group Drama, and Community
00:22:35
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and
00:22:36
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maybe I'm getting thinking too deep about this, but I just feel like the media loves to exploit mom drama. Like they love when moms are doing something wrong or like moms are fighting or, and that's like what's happening here in that like kind of just gives me the ick and like hurts my heart as cheesy and annoying as that is to say, because I think that ah community and finding your community during motherhood is so important. I mean, it's literally why we started the show. So I hate that this is like being exploited and may like –
00:23:19
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put people off from like finding their mom groups. Cause I know I have found, found mine and I love them so much. And they genuinely made my mom, my motherhood experience so much better. So my overall take is like, I get the ick from the media exploiting the story, but then i do have a little bit of ick to Ashley Tisdale because she's the one who's like,
00:23:44
Speaker
It's fine if you feel like it's toxic and it's not for you anymore. That happens in life. There are just friendships that you have to walk away from and that's fine. You don't need to like,
00:23:57
Speaker
this is not an airport. You do not need to announce your departure. definitely don't need to go to the like fricking press about it and put a bunch of people on blast because the truth is there are sides to every story. There's so much nuance in friendship and in mom groups, I'm sure. so to it's just impossible to say for us to know what happened. And I'm sure there's things on both sides. I'm not saying that Ashley Tisdale is necessarily in the wrong here. I think the only thing she was wrong about was like, or that I know of was like going to the press.
00:24:31
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:34
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I feel like there's mom drama in all the groups, but it's like kind of like what you say, do with it what you will. um Because even if you're like any of us that are on Facebook and you follow mamas like us or don't know what the other groups are, but like there's always like moms attacking one another over different things. And it's like,
00:24:57
Speaker
so crazy. I kind of stopped looking at all of it because it's just like i don't like, I don't like the attacky of other moms when we're all in like this together. But I will say like joining a mom group, I feel like is like probably most important when the babies are like little as yeah like, you just need each other. You just do. And it's so nice to have that sounding board when you're going through the same thing. Like I will say like as they get older, it feels like you you don't have as many questions. like
00:25:28
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You kind of figure it out. like You just don't, I don't know, you don't need it as much, but then you like have created these friendships. like It's kind of like nice just to continue with some or all of them, but I don't know. Maybe that's what happened is like they needed each other back then, but like now their kids are four or five, and it's like we've grown apart, and that's okay, but you have to publicize it at all. yeah And that will happen. Like you will grow apart from friends. That's just like standard friends, like life cycle. Of course, we all have friends that, ah you know, will be in your life forever. Like Whitney, you are stuck with me. So sorry to tell you, yeah,
00:26:12
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um You know when you know when you found like the one cling on I don't think it's fair Yeah. like i I believe I've seen pictures of that like so supposed mom group that this story is about. And there's like nine to ten women there. like You can't assume or you can't expect that ten women are all going to stay perfectly close and amazing as the your as life progresses and and like seasons change and your needs change as a mom. as a You know what i mean? it's just Kids also have different interests. Kids grow apart. like
00:26:51
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it just Yeah, it could easily be like the temperament of a child and then like, oh, blah, blah, blah, hit my kid. Like I'm so over it. And then it causes a riff. Like it it can be so many things. But like I also heard that like Mandy Moore was like the mean one. may if am I making that up?
00:27:10
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Yeah. I mean, the speculation is that like ah Mandy and... Hillary are like the ringleaders of that group.
00:27:20
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And, but I don't know. I don't, none of us really know, you know, but I saw that Mandy Moore, I think is going to be on, uh,
00:27:31
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ah Cam. What's her name? Um, conversations with Cam. Do you follow her Cam? Oh my God. What the fuck is her name?
00:27:42
Speaker
Is that a pod? Yeah. ah Cameron Rogers. Do you follow Cameron Rogers? No. Oh. um I've followed her for a really long time and I actually really like her and I really like her podcast and I saw she teased yesterday that she's having Mandy Moore on the podcast and I was like, ooh.
00:28:02
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That's a good one. I'm like Cameron Eubanks from Southern Charm. No, no, no, no. Although, did you see where she stood up for Austin? Yeah.
00:28:13
Speaker
crawl i did good for her that's crazy shit i know craig is unhinged we could do a whole i mean i could talk ah more about it wasn't craig or is he on the podcast it was oh oh sorry you're talking about nick ah nick vile's podcast yeah yeah that nick and his wife are on the way down i think they've done too much like they're just keep stepping in it yeah ah Okay, here's here's something I do want to say that I think is like an interesting distinction or just something that's like not talked about a lot is for her to say that the group was toxic. Like, I just feel like toxic is a buzzword that is used so often these days. But like, what does that actually mean? Like, does someone being excluded a couple times, like, does that
00:29:08
Speaker
entitle someone to be labeled like toxic. Like, do you know what I mean? It's like, what is that what she's saying that she felt excluded? Or was it like, oh, like when I think of toxic, I think of like a ringleader influencing the way people think or feel towards an individual. Like that's personally what I think of. And, um, just like,
00:29:32
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pushing their thoughts of a certain somebody. So, and which I could easily see that happening, like side chats happening and then everyone starts to feel a certain way and then the the exclusion starts.
00:29:47
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Yeah. For me, and that's kind of what you're saying, like for me, when I think toxic, I think like manipulation and like, um yeah like control, like control and manipulation.
00:30:02
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Yeah, which we've ran into i In like every kind of friendship I've had growing up, I've run into certain people that are just like that. um And I always like gravitate towards that at first because they're so inclusive and it's like nice and you feel invited, but then you start to realize like,
00:30:26
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you're just a part of their circle. You're not on their level sometimes. Like I've, I've been in in certain friendships like that my whole life. And i i don't know. I've walked away from some, some I'm still with. I just don't see as often, but.
00:30:42
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the And that's just the life cycle of friendships, you know? Yeah. It is what it is. Mm-hmm. So I don't know. There's been so much discourse about this online. So we just wanted to touch on it briefly and just say that like, don't,
00:31:00
Speaker
equate all mom groups with being toxic. I don't think that's fair to say. And also, yeah just like find your people. And like, I do think that community in motherhood matters and it's important.
00:31:17
Speaker
It's an, um it's been an important part of my motherhood journey for my sanity. And i just hate the like media running with like the toxic mom group headline, you know?
00:31:29
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. And it's still running. I feel like I've seen something every single day. so Yeah. They are literally beating a dead horse with this story for sure. Well, I want to bring up like the Golden Globes and how we didn't win best podcast of the year. Like what the hell?
00:31:49
Speaker
yeah then Amy Poehler? What? You took our spot? Yeah. Oh, my God. I do love her podcast, so I listen i know. She's so funny. But i I was like, so great. One day, maybe. I didn't even watch it. I've just like, thank God for TikTok is like now my newspaper. It just tells me all I need to know. um But Nikki is so funny. Like, she's the best host they've ever had.
00:32:15
Speaker
It is. And it seems like that's a universal thought. Like she is so good. She is so good at making jokes without it being like too harsh. She's not mean. It's like funny. It's so funny. And they land every time. And let me tell you, that girl is gorgeous and snatched. Like when she was up there and was she was in a red dress, right? Or she had a few.
00:32:39
Speaker
Oh my God. She looked gorge. I was like, wow, I'm obsessed with you. You look so beautiful. um and
Golden Globes and Award Season Fashion
00:32:47
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yeah. Oh my God. I love award season. So I'm excited for all this all's to come, but I have thoughts on the golden globes, but I want to hear yours. for Well, I was just going to say like, i need to get better about this. Like I didn't even clock it was going on until like, thank God for like Instagram and TikTok. Like it's showing celebs like show up to the red carpet. I'm like, this is happening tonight. And then like, I'm so deep into heated rivalry, like seeing all the stuff about those two boys. I'm like obsessed. um
00:33:19
Speaker
Who else? Oh, Kendall, Kylie Jenner Chalamet on the card. Like I was like, I just love them together. And he's so obsessed with her still. Like, please. I love them. Oh my God. They are so cute together. i am.
00:33:36
Speaker
I love them. They're hot. He has something. Let me tell you. He's got something. I know. I feel like I've already talked about this, but yeah he's got like a swag to him that is so sexy to me. Like I'm in, in. He's giving Jack Skellington, but he's hot. I don't know. Like something about it.
00:33:55
Speaker
I am not usually into like the like skinny mini guys, but wow, I'm into him. Like he's got a swag that I cannot deny. Kylie, why keep fucking up her name? Kylie looked like a gorgeous little golden globe. She was a little bombshell.
00:34:10
Speaker
She is. She's so, they're just so hot together. Like honestly, if they had a sex tape, I'd be in, I'd be into it. like I just, I want them to have a kid so bad. Like I want them to be connected forever for some reason.
00:34:23
Speaker
and I know they'd be such a power couple. oh my gosh. And I just feel like they really are settling into like, we love each other and we're a public couple, which for so long they wouldn't do anything together. And they were so they were more private. I feel like they are like, no, our flag is in the ground. We are a couple and just love to see it. They said three years. i was like, man, they've been together a while. Like, I know.
00:34:48
Speaker
i don't know. I'm just like, oh, they're f freaking cute. Obsessed. They are so cute. There are some people who stood out to me fashion wise. Okay. Off the top of my head. Brittany Snow.
00:35:00
Speaker
Yes. I heard like her look. I mean, she's so cute. I've always really liked her um ever since John Tucker must die. But like i I saw someone describe her as like she looked like girl next door. Like she's so stunned, like effortlessly, effortlessly stunning.
00:35:18
Speaker
So for something about me is that I, and this tracks obviously with like me being a a makeup girl, but I am always looking at the glam first. Like I see the glam and the hair before I see the outfit and her glam was so low pony good.
00:35:36
Speaker
Some that like low brendles loose, low pony. Her makeup was so flawlessly natural, but like glam at the same time. Like, oh, she took my breath away. She looked so and this like weird cake topper dress. Well, I was like, you can't a lot of people can't pull off white, especially in winter. And she looks so great. It's hard like, especially as a blonde. Like sometimes it's kind of hard. Like she looked great.
00:36:02
Speaker
She looked so good. And then my other pick is Emma Stone looking fucking phenomenal. Her face looks good. have gone down deep rabbit holes of like, what the fuck did she get done? Because I want the same thing. I don't have that money.
00:36:22
Speaker
Someone's using Kris Jenner's person and I need to find out. Who and what? saw a very reputable plastic surgeon saying that they think she had a mini eyebrow lift and an upper bluff. The bluff is in. The bluff is in. And I have hooded eyelids. So that's in the cards for Well, didn't Mandy Moore get one? And everyone's like, what the fake happened to her?
00:36:45
Speaker
I know. That's why the surgeon really matters. It's scary out there. I'm going to have to go to Beverly Hills. We got to be really picky and choosy around here. ah But man, she looked, again, the glam is where it's at. like Her makeup was so amazing. Her hair looked amazing. That bob really...
00:37:05
Speaker
had me want to like, i feel like I've been in a little bit of a rut about my Bob cause it's grown out a lot. And I went to schedule an appointment. She couldn't take me for three whole weeks. So I need a trim and a thinning out. Like it's gotten thin and bulky on the bottom and it's starting to lay on my shoulders.
00:37:24
Speaker
So I'm, it's looking like Lord Farquaad for me, you know? So I, that's, I need a, but, and I was like, damn, do I just grow up my hair? Do I just like, do it and grow it out already. And then I saw Emma Soane on the carpet and I was like, no.
00:37:40
Speaker
And that's why you asked ChatGPT for a copper look to your hair. Yeah, a I was. I was like, do I dye my hair red? like and i said i sent Candice a picture of me with brown hair and every time, because everywhere says every girl looks better brunette. And I'm like, let me just see one more time. Every time I fucking try it, I look heinous. I'm like, no. Brown is not for me. I'm so sorry to tell you, but it's not. Especially that very first photo you sent me, I was like, no, the second one was better.
00:38:12
Speaker
But it's still, I look, I truly feel like I look dull. I don't know. Something about it, just like I blend into a crowd when I have brown hair. Okay, I have to tell you, like and I hope you don't take offense to this, but that first met that first photo you sent me of you with the dark hair, like it made you look like you have dark circles, and you don't.
00:38:34
Speaker
It's just not it, man. You look like you have dark circles. Candice. I thought it looked like i had a wig. It was not good. the The second one was a little better.
00:38:46
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but it's just not it. It's not it. It's not it. You're so much better, Blonde. Yeah, I agree. And then it's so funny because later that night or later last night, Hannah texted me like ah Hannah McCarthy and was like, well, she's not McCarthy anymore, but you know what I mean? She texted me and she was like, I'm thinking about going dark. And I was like, funny you say, let's go to Chow GBT. We were doing the same thing for her. And you're like, but look at Whitney. don't know No, I didn't. I didn't say that. How'd she look? Was she better?
00:39:20
Speaker
I think she needs to go. She definitely doesn't need to go full brunette, but I think she needs to go. i mean, it changed her face a little bit, but like a little bit darker looks so good on her. What the hell, man?
00:39:32
Speaker
Yeah. She needs a little bit darker. Okay. It's just not it for me. Okay. It's not. You're a blondie through and through. yeahp But even though my whole family's dark hair, so I'm just like, I don't understand, but okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:46
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I'm trying to think of who else I loved on the carpet. I mean, Tiana Taylor is sexy and like so fabulous. Love her so much. You know what? She is like an icon to me because you know why or why?
00:40:01
Speaker
I think I know why. is it for Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Kanye's. Yeah. Yeah. Music video. um Wow. Of what's it called? Fade.
00:40:12
Speaker
Uh huh. It literally, like, I'm not kidding, was a, what's it called, ah moment for me.
00:40:23
Speaker
What's that called, Candice? You say it all the time. An awakening. it is I mean, it was an awakening. um Damn, I can't even think of what y'all call this. Like milestone, or what's it called? Like a milestone moment. It's not though, though. it's a I know. hit But anyway. Moment.
00:40:39
Speaker
Yeah, sure. not That's not the word I'm looking for, but you know what I'm going for. And it like changed my brain chemistry. i was like, that is the strongest, coolest woman I have literally ever seen in my life. And like with the music and her in the gym, I was like, oh my God, I'm inspired. Like she inspired me.
00:41:01
Speaker
And then she's like winning Golden Globes. I'm like, hell yeah, girl. She's killing it. Oh, gosh. um There are some people that I didn't like that I will – well, just one girl with the glam. And this this is sad because I love armchair expert. I have been an armchair-y like since the beginning. And there's a lot of online discourse about armchair expert. Yeah, we'll share. Yeah.
00:41:27
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just with every, like, they're just always in the news, honestly. But I do love Armchair Expert and ah Monica and Dax were nominated for the ah Golden Globe Podcast Award.
00:41:42
Speaker
And I love Monica, but her glam was so bad. She looked so oily. didn't see her. her Oh my God. Her makeup was so bad. I was like, if I were her and I had looked in a mirror and I get that like glowy makeup is in, but it looked, she looked like an oil field. you know? no I'll have to look. I'll say. Yeah. the I've been like seeing everything about how he went ah in on Cher and was like, if you can imagine like Kristen with another guy, like who would it be? And Cher's like, I don't know. Like I've never taken the time to like fucking think about that. and And he's like, no, who would you pick?
00:42:22
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And then she's like, look, I trust you. I trust Kristen and I trust she has good judgment in you. And It was like, damn, Cher is like cut throat. Yeah. She does not like that man.
00:42:36
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He, yeah, he doesn't himself any favors. Well, everyone's saying that they think he's like back into drinking or drugs, like the way he's acting. Yeah, I've lot of that. So manic. I've seen a lot that.
00:42:50
Speaker
That's sad. I hate that. I know. I hope that's not the case, but it's also like it could very well be the case because he's an addict, you know? Mm-hmm.
00:43:04
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Mm-hmm.
00:43:06
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Oh, yeah. But I don't know. I love award season. I love to judge the fashion as someone who really like does not have a fashion sense. sam oh I literally just looked her up and then you sent it to me. Well, I had to zoom in. And I know that she doesn't have like the best skin. So that's part of it. But that's why you need a makeup artist who knows how to put makeup on textured makeup.
00:43:31
Speaker
acne prone skin because this oil like this glowy is like the worst thing you can do for textured oil like acne prone skin that sucks i don't know i know and i feel like jennifer lopez look good but i'm just like not a fan of her anymore oh jennifer lopez Jennifer Lawrence also looked insane. Oh, yeah, she did. She looked like a little bloom.
00:43:58
Speaker
so good. She's a mom of two. Like, get it, girl. Get it. She did look good. Givenchy. Yeah. Fun. I don't know. It's just fun. i love pop culture. Me too. It's like an escape. That's ah definitely like a hobby for me, for
Eric Decker's Relatable Dad Moment
00:44:14
Speaker
sure. Yeah.
00:44:15
Speaker
Okay, yeah, add that the list, which I was going to say, because I already told you, but like since we're talking about celebrities and I was talking about it on the last podcast is that I did see Eric Decker this week. Oh, that's right. So it's like, LOL, i we were talking about him and then I literally just saw him again. So what's up, dude? Wow.
00:44:37
Speaker
How was he? um He was great. And then like also not me like going into the gym, but seeing his car and his kids wrote like because his car was like dusty or dirty and his kids wrote poopy on the side of it And it made me. OK, so relatable right now because I the thing I say the most to Shannon or to Shannon. Whoa, that was weird. Why did I say that? the thing I say the most to Alice right now is we don't use potty words outside of the bathroom. That's my most used phrase. Everything right now is pee, pee, poo, poo, poopy butt. And I'm like, what is that? Like, how did we get here?
00:45:14
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It's an obsession. So I told you, Candace, i was like, if you came to my house, no, if you came to my house, you would be mad 24 seven. Cause that's all that comes out of Graydon's mouth. But like seeing poopy on his truck. I was like, that is fucking awesome.
00:45:30
Speaker
Like he didn't care. Honestly, at least it's not just me. Cause I'm like, I'm the kid with the stupid potty mouth. No, you're not like you.
00:45:41
Speaker
I want you to come here. I want you to see the reckless behavior we have going on Well, Alice keeps talking about coming to see Graydon. She won't show up about it. She's like, we got to go to Tennessee to see Graydon. I'm like, I know, lady. okay I want you to know she's going to pick up some bad habits if you bring her here. So be prepared.
00:46:02
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All right. Well, this was fun. I can't wait to to discuss even more celeb stuff as we move through um award season because you know the Grammys is my shit.
00:46:14
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Hell yeah. I will. Yeah, we have we still have so much to talk about. like I feel like we could talk about Olivia Culpo being a new mom. like We have so much we can divulge into next time too. don't much about her.
00:46:26
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She's just such a cutie and a Rhode Island friend. i know. but I feel like you see – I never see her content ever. She's so cute. She wore fur on the football field and I was like, fur is in. Like Kim Kardashian's Aspen trip, inspired.
00:46:43
Speaker
Wow. Gorgeous. Jealous. ah Well, I love you so much. i hope you feel better. Thanks. I hope i don't get more sick than I am right now because my husband will kick me out of this house probably.
00:47:01
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Well, I love you Love you so much. Bye. Thank you so much for being a part of our mom group chat. New episodes drop every Tuesday. And don't forget, the group chat is blowing up on our Instagram page. So make sure you're following along over there. All right. Got to go. My toddler just put something in her mouth.