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Speaker: There's no right way to do it.
Speaker: Oh, we're going to get into it. What up, moms? My name is Candice, and I'm here with my best friend, Whitney, and this is the Mom Group Chat Podcast. Hey, guys. I feel like I look like 1950s or something in this outfit and this hair. i was going to Candice and I have been talking for a little bit, and she you literally go, all right, I'll do intro, and you went so professional. I thought you were a newscaster, especially am in your outfit. I a newscaster.
Speaker: It's really giving like it's giving 1950s for some reason. i love it. um Especially like I we need to talk before we record because if I'm an athletic here and you're dressed up, I look like a dumb dummy.
Speaker: We need to we need to to maybe we should start consulting. should because I'm going cash. I used to dress up a lot, but then I've kind of just been chill this summer.
Speaker: That's okay. I don't think that's a bad thing. I could change it. Okay. but Sweater season is coming. like you know Well, yeah, but a sweater is still like, I feel like is dressed up to me.
Speaker: Yeah. But I feel like we should just send us quick texts because I was in an athletic shirt before this and I changed. So like if you had told me I would have just stayed in my yellow athletic tank top. Ugh.
Speaker: We need to talk more. Okay. Yeah. We'll consult. And like all morning we've been consulting, just not on what we're going to wear. You know what i mean? I love Mondays. It's like we both have been released from the dragon from a weekend of children. And it's just like, but this is what we've done all weekend. Yeah. Like I probably gave you 17 updates of things this morning.
Speaker: I'm not done. I'm not done. There's more. There's more to update. There's so many things we could talk about, but um it just be like that. Does anyone else feel like, which I love summer, but Sundays are just hard sometimes.
Speaker: so hard. i so Sundays is my hardest day And I think it's funny, like the only activity we have now is swim, which we are stopping on August 30th. And I'm like, what the fuck are we going to do with Sunday? Because like at least swim is like the anchor of, okay, I know we have this and Vinny and I switch off taking them. So it's like either one of us will get a break.
Speaker: Yeah. but oh Which I will say soccer season is coming up, but I'm not like totally sure when. beside We signed Alice up. m I'm scared. We signed up for youth soccer, which there was debate about in our family unit.
Speaker: Alice said she didn't want to do it, but all of her new friends at school were doing it. And I felt like it would be a good bonding activity for both kids. kids and parents alike. Yeah, true. To like do an activity with other people. So I said, sorry, kid, but you're doing soccer.
Speaker: It's kind of funny. um We got our coaches in an email last week and it is a friend of a friend. And I'm just like, oh, small world. And they are going to be going to the same kindergarten as Graydon will.
Speaker: And it's a mom like she's going to be coaching the team. And I was just like, oh, my God, that works out. So now I can get to know her better because our kids are going to be going to school together. That's so nice. That's so funny. Yeah. um But yeah, Sundays can, it's just like such a long day. Oh my gosh. I don't know if it's because like we typically like pack a lot of things into Fridays and Saturdays. So it feels like there's like all this fun and anticipation. And then Sunday is always like womp womp. We're lazy. That's And then they get bored. know They get bored. And then I'm just like, oh my God, after naps, because both my kids still nap and it's after nap. And I'm like, wow, we still got a whole ass six, seven more hours to go here. Like I need, we need to just get out of the house. And yeah anyway, we, we like did stuff because Margo's birthday parties this coming weekend. So like, yeah,
Speaker: Girl, I was putting my husband to work this weekend and and myself, but we hung things that have been on the floor. We finally hung the little like sconces and grains room. We like pressure wash the pool deck like we were working, working.
Speaker: Damn, that's so good. Went to the dump. Oh, God bless the dump. Which was debacle. But also while Chris was, quote unquote, working in the yard, he found a lizard.
Speaker: oh I saw. Oh, Candace, it's living in my house. I saw. And I said, how could you let that happen? You know, i I bit my tongue.
Speaker: And Chris goes, Whit, just let him be a boy. Excuse me? ok Fine. But the second that lizard leaves its terranium or whatever the fuck you call it, it's not your problem.
Speaker: Oh my God. It has a full ass like light on top. I know. It looks like a professional setup. I went upstairs and I was like, Chris, he goes, I went a little wild. I'm like, yeah, you, my child has full pet now.
Speaker: Yeah. ah Well, I mean, whatever. That's a choice. It's a choice. But I also i get where he's I get where Chris is coming from. I really, really do.
Speaker: Let him be a boy. Well, how do I argue with that? You can't. You just got to let him just let him be a boy. Yeah, just I will say you have to set a boundary like and make sure this isn't turning into like you have a snake and a frog and like you're a reptile person.
Speaker: That's disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so annoyed. um And, but it was funny because they came back from the pet shop. i mean, the first thing Graydon said to me, Chris had like walked away. he goes, you're not a a lizard girl. Are you my?
Speaker: And i was like, did you hear that from your father? And he was like, yeah. And Chris started like dying laughing. I'm like, Chris. Oh my God.
Speaker: No, I'm not. Why can't we find a kitten anywhere? Yeah. God. I thought you were going to say, because when we went to the pet shop recently, they had kittens for adoption in the front.
Speaker: So my girls became obsessed with getting a kitten, which isn't happening. Vinny's very allergic. It's not happening. But My girls were like obsessed. They still, whenever we pass the pet store, they're like, that's the pet store with the kittens. I'm like, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. I don't know. It's, he's very obsessed. He went up there and checked on it 1 million times last night. I, cause we, they bought like crickets to yeah put in there. know. yeah I'm, I'm scared. And I was like, I just know they're going chirping all night wake his ass up. And then he's going to come downstairs. But he slept. Are alive? for some reason, I thought they'd be dead.
Speaker: They're alive. Just roaming in the terrarium. Wow. Okay. Okay. ah Okay. Be thankful you don't have to do this. Okay?
Speaker: Wow. So scary. Okay. Yeah, I'm scared. I, i i ah I do support him being a boy, like let him have it. I just would be wary of the boundaries.
Speaker: If Chris, think he Chris, if you're listening, if you think you can ever bring a snake in this house, you are absolutely incorrect. Oh my God. Some of the scariest days of my life are the days we had a snake in our house. Remember at my old house, we had a snake come through the back door.
Speaker: i don't remember that i just remember the wasp situation oh yes that that yes so it was during the like few months here in florida where it's beautiful out and so in our back like in our old house i propped the back door open to like let the cool air in you know and i'm working on the couch and all of a sudden josie in is in the kitchen barking barking barking barking which josie doesn't do I, she's barking and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? And i go into the kitchen. She is facing the dog bowls like, but like 10 feet away and she's barking. And I look over and there is a snake drinking water out of the dog bowls, out of the dog water, a big black ass snake.
Speaker: And I was like, oh my God. Vinny had, Vinny had just left for something like he had just, and I literally called him and I was like, turn around right now.
Speaker: I would have been so scared. There's a snake in the house. I was freaking the fuck out. And then the scariest part is we lost it. We tried to get it out of the back door. We tried to kill it. It ran away. We lost it in the house. And we just convinced ourselves after looking for hours that it had gone out the back door. were like, it has to be gone.
Speaker: Lo and behold, the next day I went to an in-person meeting. Like I went away out of out the out of the house. And Vinny, I just got a picture from Vinny. And it was a dead snake under our couch because he found it.
Speaker: It was under our living room couch. He found it, got a shovel, was able to kill it. But we slept in the house overnight with a fucking snake roaming free. And it was big.
Speaker: So scary. I don't leave the door open anymore in case you were wondering. Candice, I'm sick to my stomach. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. I have tears in my eyes. What?
Speaker: Ew. Yeah. We can't keep doors open here anyway. is bug central in Tennessee. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck I was. I was mentally ill because like I live in fucking Florida. Like you cannot leave the doors open. I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker: You live in the jungle. That's why was he in your yard I literally live in the jungle. An alligator could have come through the door. You never know. Honestly. That I don't remember that at all.
Speaker: Yeah, that happened. and it was before grossed out. Grossed out. Mm-mm. Yep. Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. I'm sorry. That's okay.
Speaker: It's gone now. I mean, it's – that house doesn't exist. It's weird it found your water bowl. That's – so we – I forgot. I talked to someone about it after the fact, and they were like, yeah, snakes, like, look for water. Like, a lot of people say if you have, like, a baby pool and you leave a baby pool in your back, like, it will attract snakes. Ew, that's so gross. – In fact, I'm thinking right now I filled up the baby pool in the backyard and I didn't dump it. So I got to go back there after this and dump it. There's like 10 snakes in there. Oh my God, I will die. no we're going to scare everybody in this episode. We don't have any in our pool or anything, maybe because it's saltwater, but.
Speaker: Oh, I don't think I knew that it was saltwater. basically the ocean. Wow. Can you open your eyes under it? I don't.
Speaker: I don't know. Yeah, I don't either. Probably. Sure. but do your kids... I don't think so. They wear the gags. Oh, my kids are always opening their eyes underwater. And then at the end of a swimming day, their eyes are bloodshot red. I used to do that, but I don't know. They, Margo doesn't go underwater yet. Graydon has what he calls gobbles. So gobbles. Oh, I love that. I know. I don't want to tell him. He's so cute.
Speaker: Yeah. So sweet. Yeah.
Speaker: All right. Well, shall we get into the topic for today? Let's. I feel like this has been so lighthearted and we're about to. don't feel that way at all. I've been grossed out this whole conversation. That's it's funny. Okay. So there's so much going on in the media these days. So much chatter about women's health, about women's mental health, postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety. We've talked about it on this show in a lot of different episodes. Um,
Speaker: And a lot of different ways. Like obviously Whitney, you've spoken about personal yeah experience with postpartum anxiety. I more so struggled with like perinatal depression while I was pregnant. Um, and there's a whole episode about that with, um,
Speaker: a very good friend of Whitney's. Mallory Vera is where she like specializes in perinatal and postpartum health, depression and anxiety. So she was a wealth of knowledge and so amazing to talk to about that. But we thought it would be important to bring it up just like with everything that's going on, like the news about Hayden Panettiere being so open with all the struggles that she's had postpartum and really like everything that led up through childhood acting and all of that. There's like just a lot of discord going on around the topic. So we just thought it was something we should bring up.
Speaker: Yeah. um there i feel like I have so much to say about this topic and i don't know that there is I don't know. I guess my my biggest thing I want to say is that it's so much more common than you think it is. And every single person that speaks out about it, I think, brings more awareness and...
Speaker: just more conversation around it. So like, I'm always so grateful whenever I see a celebrity or an influencer or just anyone, even a mom, like I'll never forget being on a field trip with Alice, what Alice's class. And like literally one of the moms who has twins, like, Oh, just on our field trip was like, Oh, I struggled with really bad postpartum depression after having the twins. And just like, just so lightly like opened up about it and talked about it almost like,
Speaker: It was just like, it was basically like being diagnosed with diabetes or something. You know what i mean? Like such a fact of like, yeah I don't know. And I think every time that this topic is brought to the front of the conversation is a win because it makes women feel less alone. So i think, and I feel like we've gotten so many messages in our DMs and heard from people in our due date groups of women who have struggled with postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety, and just postpartum mental health issues. um
Speaker: And so I think it's nice that it's talked about in the media. makes people feel less alone. I know. Why do you think it's so hard to bring up? Like it doesn't- I know why. oh go I think I said that. matter of fact, but I think it's that our whole lives were sold this yeah idea of motherhood and what it should be like. And it's the greatest joy. It's the best time of your life. You're going to like love more than ever. Your heart's going to grow three sizes. I mean, the narrative is goes on and on. And so then when you finally have the baby and you're on the other side and you're like waiting for this,
Speaker: surge of joy and happiness and it doesn't happen and not juxtaposition of what you thought motherhood was going to be like versus how you're actually feeling. I think it brings on shame and fear. And I think you people don't want to talk about it because you don't want to be the ungrateful mom or the mom who's miserable or you don't want people to think,
Speaker: that you don't love your kids because you do. There are so many hormonal things that happen postpartum um and in pregnancy that it's not your fault. Like you didn't do anything wrong, you know? if But I personally think that's why. I ah completely agree. I think you nailed it. And for me, like my mom always says to me, like, I cared so much that I was giving myself anxiety. Like I was so hyper aware that I didn't want anything to happen to them that I was driving myself crazy yeah on the overscheduling of things and just like monitoring. Cause that's the only way I felt control. But at the same time it was making me feel like crazy, like a crazy person. But yeah,
Speaker: I don't know. I just feel like even the topic is hard like for me personally because you know like i I struggle about like talking about the past. like I'm always kind of forward thinking. like I even think about how hard it is to even tell your doctor how you're feeling. like It takes a lot to even open up to your doctor who routinely asks you postpartum, like on a scale of one to 10, do you feel like this? And like it's so easy to lie and just walk away because it's just the easier thing to do.
Speaker: I think also for me, like I do always want to like, I'm someone who wants to present the best version of the, my our therapist has said this about ah our marriage and our communication. He's literally said to me, like, you always want to deliver the best information. You want to deliver the best version of what's going on. And I think that comes from me just like being an optimist and like being like someone who doesn't like to,
Speaker: like, I don't know, like wallow in how I'm feeling, I guess. saying And yeah I think I do. i have 100% done that in my appointments at like follow ups with my doctor. i' you know, they give you that form to fill out. And there also is a level of like shame of like, I don't want them to think I, I don't love my daughter. I don't, don't know. Yeah.
Speaker: i don't know Yeah, I do remember i did cry what appointment once with Graydon and once with Margo. I just like cried and to the pediatrician, not even like my doctor. i think it was like the two month checkup. And i i don't know why i was just like, man, this is hard.
Speaker: with two and he was so kind and he was like, you are amazing. You are doing amazing. You're doing everything right. Like it's just a hard time right now. And I was just like, oh, I, that man was so sweet and not even my fricking doctor, you know, like you know he was so kind. Um, but yeah, it's just so common and hard.
Speaker: Um, hard Yeah. Yeah. I will say like, I know I'm always bringing praises about due date groups, but I feel like having a group of women that are in the same phase of you and like in that postpartum depth with you, like was game changing. I feel like so many things were more openly talked about and I felt so much more comfortable talking about things in there than maybe I did with like friends that are not in like exactly in the phase I'm in. And there were so many times where women would say things and might say things in my group that I'm like, oh, I feel the exact same way. And I thought I was the only one who felt that way. so
Speaker: just another ringing endorsement for two-day groups, which like is common here on this show. but Well, just to bring like, ah guess, awareness, if you even remember now, because now this feels like a really long time ago, especially with Margo about to turn three. but like Do you remember like when you were feeling like the perinatal depression rearing its head? Like what were you feeling?
Speaker: Yeah. i I have this moment. I remember crying in our kitchen to Vinny because he could tell I was like not well. I was not my normal like shiny person. And I remember feeling like I couldn't find joy in anything. Like all the things I used to love or I used to like go to for enjoyment or whatever.
Speaker: excitement. Like they just like weren't doing it for me anymore. Like, I don't know. It was almost like indifference with everything. um and I remember like, I'm not someone who's like, I am a very enthusiastic person always. So I think for him to like see that and then him bring it up to me was like kind of eyeopening. I was like, Oh, I,
Speaker: I guess you're right. Like, on yeah, something's going on. And I, it was hard for me to like get out of bed. it was, I was, i don't know how to, I was just like blah and sad all the time, like, and just uninterested in life, which yeah is a scary place to be. You just feel like nothing matters, which is scary. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, it's a crazy feeling. I feel like mine presented in a way of like OCD and rage. i was angry all the time. i i don't know. I just like had this crazy like loss of control.
Speaker: And it like consumed me. Like i did not like that feeling. i didn't not like knowing if I wasn't going to sleep at night. I didn't like being like the sole responsible person. Like, I don't know. I just got like left alone all the time. it just was like a scary feeling like I was not in control. Yeah.
Speaker: I like still get the ho feeling. I know. about it Yeah. It's so, it I feel like it would be so, if you were to have another kid, like, do you feel like you'd be really fearful of that? Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. like But it's so funny because I've talked on here that I've seen all my friends that are having their third and they are all like so chill or it seems that way to me. Like they're going with the flow a lot more. Like we've all been like kind of schedule-y parents. We all follow mom on call, mom's on call or the other one. But um taking care of me. Blank there. um But they're all so chill and like, I don't know if I would ever get there.
Speaker: I don't know. yeah I know I couldn't because when you have two, you're kind of toting them around to like daycare or like Greenwood be in kindergarten, like we'd be all over the place. But man, I don't know. i couldn't tell you.
Speaker: i have I'm a creature of habit. Unfortunately, i would drive myself nuts again. Well, I think that good that kind of all, like all that goes back to, to what we were saying about like your expectations versus reality. Like it is kind of hard to predict how you're going to feel or what it's going to be like in motherhood, which is part of what feeds the anxiety and the rage, the sadness, the shame. it it like feeds all of it. So like,
Speaker: Yeah, it's hard. It's just hard to predict. And that makes it even scarier. ah Yeah. um Well, at least, I don't know. Now we know. And wow, yeah what a ride. And all this like came kind of to a head as a topic because of the news of Hayden Panettiere passing away. and And like I said, she was recently on the Jay Shetty podcast. and Yeah.
Speaker: I got to listen to a bit of it. um But man, she was so she's always been so open and honest. Like she also gave up her rights to her daughter, knowing like the path that she was going and she like knew she couldn't have full custody of her. Like.
Speaker: I don't know, everything. The story's still like unfolding, but all very. i i There were so many things in that interview that I found interesting.
Speaker: enlightening. I feel like the media you know paints a picture of things and paints a picture of people. and With her specifically, I feel like the media had like painted this picture that she like gave up her daughter. you know Like, oh, wow, what kind of mom like gives up her daughter? but she talks about how like devastating that characterization was like, she was actively seeking treatment and like did that for the safety of herself and her daughter. And like, it was agreed upon. it was not like she lost custody and like, just let, do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, yeah,
Speaker: And I think she said, i wrote down a quote. It's like, sometimes protecting your child does not look like the culturally approved version of being a good mom. And I think that's what she was doing. Like she was protecting her child from her the struggle that she was going through. um and she mentioned something like, um, that she was like, sometimes you take the same path as your parents and sometimes you are the complete opposite. And she was like, I felt myself taking like the path of my parents. And she said, I did not want someone to grow up like I did. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. That's her breaking the cycle, you know, which is like so admirable. oh and now listening, like listening to that interview. And I actually did listen to it back in May when it came out, but I listened to it again today to like prepare for this episode.
Speaker: And it's so heartbreaking to listen to it now because when she did this episode, to me, it sounds like she was coming out of this dark time. Like it sounded hopeful and like she was like ready to put those days behind her and she was like coming out of it. So to know what's happened now is just even more heartbreaking. And I can't help but think if she has seen everything that's going on with Lindsay Clancy and her trial and all that in the news, and if that was triggering to her to the point that made her question whether or not she should be here. I don't know. I'm totally putting, I'm like totally putting words into the situation that just probably did not happen. But I feel like I wonder if she looked at that and thought this woman who was struggling so bad, just like I was killed her children, allegedly. um
Speaker: I don't ever want to get to the point of that happening to me and I'm still not well. And so, I mean, who knows it's, I saw a report that it was an overdose.
Speaker: Right. And I was going to say, like, I think everyone has, if you are into pop culture, that interview that she did burned in their freaking memory of how when she was on drugs. And we all were like, whoa, why did they post that? Like, she is not well. And it was after her brother died. Right. Yeah. And she did that.
Speaker: And it was just like, yikes, should have not, whoever, I can't remember who did it but they shouldn't have posted it. um And I thought when I saw that she had passed, i was like, well, i was probably from drugs knowing like how bad off she was, but I know she was promoting her new book. She was just 36, which we're about to be 36. So it kind of makes me... Well, yeah. I mean, I think that's why the news, like I got so many text messages this morning from friends and in our due date group and everything, because it's like, we grew up with her. Like we are her. I know that sounds, that sounds weird, but it is like all of my favorite movies she was in growing up. Like we are the exact same age.
Speaker: She has young kids. We have young kids. I am her. She is me. And she was so cute when she was little. It's so cute. And like, That could be any of us. And that's another thing to know is like this, these feelings of depression, anxiety, mental health struggles, like they don't, i like they're not isolated to a certain type of person or a certain, upri like anyone can struggle from them. And it's like, it's, I don't want to say like no one's safe, but it it just is like a reminder that like it can happen to anyone. It doesn't mean anything yeah about just you. I'm just appreciative how open she's been this whole time. Like yeah she has been open about every single struggle that she's had
Speaker: And, um, I don't know. I just feel like we need more of that. Cause it can be like, we said shameful to feel that certain way. So I don't know, even like listening to that Jay Shetty podcast, like, man, it also, this has something to do with child actors too. Like, Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. It makes me like I want there to be like a law that doesn't allow like children actors or something. Or there needs to be some sort of protection because, oh my gosh, like they all are just like one. just such a common thread. Yeah.
Speaker: Totally. Totally. So it's just scary. I don't know. I appreciate her being open and it is sad. Like our crumping queen. like i know.
Speaker: Yeah. The best hair. ah Oh my gosh. Yeah. She was so cute and so pretty. And I loved Nashville when it first came out. You know what's weird is like my TV, when we turn it on in the playroom, it'll just like turn on the cable.
Speaker: Nashville is always on. Juliet Barnes is always on my screen. and she has got She's always got so much attitude. i'm like, why is she always mad at somebody? but Yeah, she was a sasy sassy little thing. She was. Yeah. like how ironic that Nashville comes on my TV all the time, but.
Speaker: Yeah. Sad news. So we're not going to get into like the full details of this, but are you following the Lindsay Clancy case? Only from like what you've updated me. I'm like not living under a rock like I know.
Speaker: Yeah. I know what's going on. Yeah. I wasn't for a while. Like I didn't I wasn't for a while and then I got sucked in and now I'm I'm not I'm not one of the ones like watching the live stream every day. OK, like those people have i had too much time on their hands, I think. But um I have been watching like the recaps of the days in court and it's just fucking awful and heartbreaking. um But I think that it has brought so much awareness and talk to the forefront about –
Speaker: postpartum health, women's health, and just how dismissed a lot of us have felt going to the doctor and like saying how we feel. um it actually, there is a crossover there between Hayden and Lindsay because Hayden also sought help and never, hold on. I wrote it down.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: Yeah. She sought treatment and still was not diagnosed. So at around four months postpartum, Hayden finally told her partner, i need help. Like I can't live with this. And she entered a treatment center, but the facility treated her for alcoholism, but never for, she they never labeled her postpartum depression. They never treated her for postpartum depression. They just treated her like an an alcoholic and Um, and it took roughly 10 months and her own research before she understood that like postpartum depression was the underlying factor to her. She was using alcohol to self-medicate, but, um,
Speaker: I just think there needs to be a clear treatment path for women ah postpartum that really looks at a woman holistically and not just like medically. I think i think we have that one six-week checkup afterwards that's like, all right, you're yeah cleared to have sex.
Speaker: Hope everything's doing okay. Like that's it. And yes, you fill out a little form that's like, do you want to kill yourself? And you're like – No. Well, no. But also, i'm not well Could drive off the road sometimes. I don't know. um Literally, though. true It's so true. But i don't know. it feels...
Speaker: the It's like they're checking a box by saying, look, that's we wey we asked. If they didn't answer, that's on the patient. And it's just like, I just don't love the approach, I guess. I don't know. It it feels like I'm taking a test and I just want to get it over with.
Speaker: Whereas like if I was actually having a conversation, I probably would open up a little more, but no one has the time. They're squeezing us in these appointments or trying to get to the next person. It's just like freaking factory in there. It's like no one's really taking the time to check on us.
Speaker: Yeah, 100%. one hundred percent Oh, the joys of being a woman. But I hope – so again, the Clancy trial is ongoing. We're not covering – I'm sure there's a billion other podcasts that are going to cover those in details. That's not where where that's going to happen. Like this is not that.
Speaker: But I do like that it's bringing it – to the forefront of conversation. It's bringing it to light. And I'm interested to see like what happens from that. I think there hopefully will be some changes moving forward of women speaking up and also doctors taking better care of women. One can only hope. Um, so, and I'm just sending love to everyone.
Speaker: out there that is struggling with us currently, that has struggled with it, that has felt like they can't talk about it. Well, I love you. And um i will keep updating you on the Clancy trial in our voice notes. Thank you. Yeah. And I love you all. And we're here for you. If you ever need someone to talk to, message us. We're always in the DMs. So yeah stay safe and advocate for yourselves. Even if it's scary, it's so worth it.
Speaker: All right. Love ya. Bye. Thank you so much for being a part of our mom group chat. New episodes drop every Tuesday. And don't forget, the group chat is blowing up on our Instagram page. So make sure you're following along over there. All right. Gotta go. My toddler just put something in her mouth.
