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#101: Danella Mercati: The magic of musical theatre fitness
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In this episode of the Kate Hamilton Health Podcast, I sit down with Danella Mercati, founder of Chi Chi Fit - a revolutionary approach to fitness that combines the magic of musical theatre with movement.
Danella’s passion for creating fun, empowering, and inclusive workouts shines through as we discuss her incredible journey. From her roots in acting school to working as a massage therapist for celebrities like Sir Paul McCartney, and eventually founding Chi Chi Fit, Danella’s story is a testament to resilience, creativity, and following your dreams.
We chat about the joy of rediscovering hobbies as adults, the role fitness can play in navigating menopause, and the power of building a supportive community. Danella also shares how Chi Chi Fit is transforming lives for both kids and adults, helping them build confidence and embrace the joy of dance and music.
Whether you're looking for a fun way to get moving, a new hobby, or even considering teaching Chi Chi Fit classes, this episode will leave you feeling inspired and ready to take on new possibilities!
Episode Highlights:
[00:00] - Welcome to the Kate Hamilton Health Podcast
[00:17] - Meet Danella Mercati, founder of Chi Chi Fit
[00:42] - What is musical theatre fitness?
[02:03] - Danella’s inspiring journey: from acting school to Chi Chi Fit
[06:46] - The importance of hobbies for joy and empowerment
[10:14] - How Chi Chi Fit brings fun and fitness to all ages
[16:00] - Building confidence and fostering a sense of community
[32:26] - A serendipitous encounter with Paul McCartney
[39:14] - Collaborating with Craig Revel Horwood
[45:47] - How fitness supports menopause and personal empowerment
[48:55] - The healing connection between music, movement, and happiness
[50:59] - A powerful message about pursuing dreams and embracing new possibilities
Links & Resources:
- Connect with Chi Chi Fit on Instagram here
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Transcript
Introduction and Overview
00:00:09
Speaker
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Kate Hamilton health podcast. So today you are in for a treat. The conversation you're about to hear is with the amazing Danella Mercati. Danella is the founder of Chi Chi Fit and what Chi Chi Fit is, is the combination of musical theatre and fitness.
00:00:31
Speaker
Entering into this conversation, I was intrigued. I really wanted to know more about musical theatre fitness. I was like, this is interesting. I've never heard anything like that before. Little did I know it was going to be one of the most inspiring conversations that I have had in a long time. So you are really going to get so much from this conversation.
Chi (...) Fit's Global Reach and Mission
00:00:47
Speaker
We start off and we talk a little bit about Chi Chi Fit and musical theatre fitness and what it is, what her company does and her classes do, not just around the UK, but also in other countries as well. And her goal to reach as many people as possible and inspire them through musical theatre fitness really shines through in this conversation. We talk a little bit about fitness and how rather than seeing it as a chore, we need to try and bring hobbies back into adulthood. So getting fit shouldn't be something else to add to the to-do list. It should be something we enjoy. It should be
00:01:22
Speaker
you know, we should all have hobbies, like we spend so much time making sure our children have hobbies and we drop them when we go to university or when we start our jobs or whatever. It's the importance of keeping a hobby so that we keep some happiness and joy in our lives. We talk about connecting with ourselves again and building the self-confidence and not being afraid to step a little bit out of our comfort zones and try things as adults and that sense of empowerment and achievement when we do step into a fitness class or a dance class, or we do that first run, whatever it is, that sense of empowerment that we feel from achieving what we put our minds to doing, even if it is just a few minutes at a class.
Danella's Journey and Inspirations
00:02:03
Speaker
And then we have a conversation around Danella's amazing journey from studying acting in university to working as a massage therapist and working in some of the top hotels in the world, but working with Sir Paul McCartney and what she learned from him, which helped to inspire her to go and set up her own brand, her own fitness business to what you're looking at today of what she has achieved.
00:02:33
Speaker
It's a really, really amazing story. She talks a bit as well about working with Craig Revel Horwood who helped her with setting up Chi Chi Fit, helped her with the choreography and is still very much an important part of the brand and the community.
00:02:50
Speaker
And then we finish up talking a bit about menopause. She likes to call it menopause the musical, which is just really her experience of menopause or perimenopause as she's going through at the minute. We just have a really empowering conversation around
Dance Fitness and Happiness
00:03:03
Speaker
menopause. So I really hope that you enjoy this conversation as much as I have.
00:03:12
Speaker
Danella, welcome to the podcast. Hello, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to talk about all things musical, theatre, fitness and everything that you do. Before we get into it, would you like to share a little bit about you, your background, what you do and kind of what has brought you to where you are today?
00:03:31
Speaker
Right, well, I'm Danella McCarty. I'm based in Cheltenham. I am founder and creative director of Chi Chi Fit, Musical Theatre Fitness. I am a mum to two teenagers and a mum to eight chickens, all of whom I'm rather obsessed by. And I guess, in short, I've come to where I am at this place in my life having fused health and well-being through fitness with my absolute passion for theatre and particularly musical theatre by combining those two worlds and that is essentially Chi Chi Fit and where I am here and now today. That's amazing, so with Chi Chi Fit it's obviously dancing, is it singing as well as dancing? is it Singing is very definitely optional, um I wouldn't refer to it as a singing class but it's it's
00:04:22
Speaker
The core of it is a fitness class. I mean, you can liken it to maybe Zumba meets Broadway. You're not learning to be a dancer. We're not faffing around with technique and turnout and all of that. You just dance your little hearts out. We're burning energy, releasing energy, getting stronger, fitter, more coordinated, more flexible through doing so.
00:04:46
Speaker
But all of it is set to a soundtrack of the most phenomenal
Rediscovering Joy in Hobbies
00:04:50
Speaker
show tunes. And that is what sets it apart to anything else. You really feel like a Broadway star. It's kind of the feeling we try and encourage. It's hard not to feel that way when you play these incredible songs and dance along to them. The dancing is straightforward. It's really easy to follow. It's suitable for all ages and abilities. And while you don't have to be a dancer, you certainly come away feeling like a dancer. So yeah, that's the nature of how it works. That's amazing. So yeah, not only are you physically getting fitter with this aerobic exercise that you're doing, you're actually building confidence, becoming happier and you had just increasing your energy levels.
00:05:33
Speaker
And you know, actually, you've literally tapped on something that I'm literally obsessed with. And it's going to be my focus in 2025 for myself and for others. Anyone I can take on this journey with me is happier. I really feel like happier is the route to achieving all the things you need to achieve, whether it's better health, making better decisions day in, day out, for yourself, for your mental well-being, for your physical well-being. If it starts from a place where you feel happy, everything does sort of feel a little bit easier in life because a lot of our bad habits come from a place of reaching for comfort, reaching for comfort because we need something.
00:06:12
Speaker
to help us feel happier. So yeah, I know that certainly my mission with Chi Chi Fit, which has now been going really to our sixth year, is to reach as many people, to help them get fitter and more fabulous, but essentially to help them find something that makes them really, really happy. Because that moment of happiness once a week, or more than once a week, however many classes they attend, I think is the trigger. it It's the thing that keeps them consistent through the rest of the week with with all the other things they're trying to manage.
00:06:44
Speaker
I couldn't agree more. My core belief with everything that I do is that what we are all searching for, no matter what our goals are, is happiness. And I think that we approach habit change, health, fitness and a lot of our goals as like an added chore, as an added stress. We're squeezing it in and already overloaded, stressed life. And I had a fantastic conversation a few weeks ago with a lady who talks about slow running, and running for enjoyment rather than for times. And I've done a lot of reflection after that that conversation on how like our hobbies should not be burdens, they shouldn't be, you know, going to the gym, oh, I have to hit this weight, or I have to run this time, I have that you're adding this stress onto like, when it's supposed to be fun.
00:07:37
Speaker
Yeah, and actually just flipping that slightly, you actually said your hobby going to the gym. Now, a lot of people, that's your hobby. A lot of people, that isn't their hobby, but actually that's what you and I, we're sort of trying to achieve is to find fitness that you love.
00:07:54
Speaker
find a form of moving that you really love that it actually does feel like a hobby because the minute it feels like a hobby then immediately the narrative around a hobby is you're doing what you love. So actually this is just coming to me now because we talk about you know making great habits and making great choices and you essentially are what you choose but I think maybe we need to try instead of focusing on things becoming a habit, is trying to make these good things a hobby. Make them a hobby. And if they're a hobby,
Empowerment and Confidence Through Movement
00:08:23
Speaker
they're ah a passion of yours. They're something you want to pursue. When people ask me about Chi Chi Fit, and they're like, so it's a fitness class. I'm like, well, it's a dance fitness class. So you get fitter.
00:08:33
Speaker
and And I know that shouldn't throw me. It'd be like, well, yeah, obviously. But actually, you get so much more than Fitter because you're doing something that's just so fun that it is it's like you're ticking your hobby box in one because, you know, we're all Brilliant as parents, if you are a parent, making sure our kids pursue their hobbies and we drop them off and we pick them up and we hang around a lot. And it's really, really quite a vital part of their childhood is pursuing their hobbies. Yet we get into adulthood and we don't pursue our hobbies. We drop them. Most of us drop them at university.
00:09:06
Speaker
it's It's amazing, isn't it? much For me, one of the loveliest comments I hear when people come to a class for the very first time is, oh my God, that took me back to like when I was a teenager and I was in the school show and and we did Grease the Musical and they're like talking about the 15-, 14-, 15-year-old self and they're now in their mid-40s and you think, wow, for that many years of your life, that love lay dormant because you didn't know that you could continue to pursue a hobby and I suppose because you're focusing on other people's hobbies now and and them pursuing them and I suppose in a way you don't necessarily think of a fitness class as becoming a hobby but it really can really get like if we I feel like I'm having like aha moment with you here so if you have a goal
00:09:52
Speaker
yeah and you know everyone talks about how we need to break our goals down into habits and then if we make our how can we make these habits a hobby and I get a lot of questions from people about you know should I be running should I be going lifting weights in the gym how many days a week should I be doing this should I do fitness classes should I'm like you should do what you enjoy, because what you enjoy is what you're going to keep doing. But in relation to what you're saying there about, you know, us losing our hobbies, like if we take dance, for example, I actually don't think I've ever said this in the podcast, and I talk about myself a lot on this podcast, but I used to be a ballet dancer. So I did ballet from when I was three until I was 18. And I also did a bit of modern dance as well. But like, as soon as I finished school and went to to university, I stopped. It's kind of like when I think about it, unless you were going to do dance in college,
00:10:39
Speaker
there wasn't really anywhere to go. You know what I mean? There weren't really adult classes now. I'm sure it's much different now. But you know, back then, if you are a young adult, or even not such a young adult wanting to dance, most of them don't want to do very, very traditional technical dance classes. They just want to dance, you know, you just want to dance. And so on Yeah, yeah. And I think certainly it's definitely getting better. There's more opportunities now, like in the realms of what I do, even all the other forms of dance fitness that's out there. It's not technical dancing. It's not teaching you all the technique and making you feel like you've gone back to square one. You just dance, which is great. But I know what you mean. It's like you leave university, you leave school really with all those things put in place for you and go,
00:11:28
Speaker
I have to go and find it myself now somewhere, somehow. So it's not just horrible. And I think with the bit for being able to dance for fun is huge as well because as you get to, you know, as a dancer to 16, 17, 18 years of age, it stops being fun. They start putting pressure on you. You're trying to do exams. You're doing shows. You're being told whether you're good enough or not. And when you're 17 or 18, if you're told you're not good enough to pursue dancing, you tend to give it up because youre you're not mature enough to be like, oh, I can still dance because I like it.
00:12:00
Speaker
Yeah, sure it's so true. But you know, actually, that even goes younger, because we've I've actually created four different programs to make sure that is GG fit for every age, although I have to say there's a lot of crossovers, but I noticed with the kids, GG kids is that even a lot of children they might have got to like age 11 12 perhaps second just beginning secondary school and they've never really joined a dance school to do dance classes and so all their parents will say oh they sort of tried ballet and they didn't like it and then they tried this and they didn't really like it and then they tried this but you know i really want them to dance and you think actually there also needs to be a place for children where if that environment is too
00:12:39
Speaker
too much for them. it It takes the joy out of it for them. They don't want to learn a perfect plié and a port de bras that they can still dance. And so I feel like accidentally I fell into that niche. Chichi kids fell into that niche where all these kids who've never really pursued the traditional dance school route because it wasn't quite for them, it either intimidated, it didn't bring them joy or fun, they come along and they dance along to all these show tunes and they feel like they're in the Disney movies. And you know what, they're never gonna be phenomenal dancers. But even those of us who train until we're 18 quite seriously don't necessarily end up going off and doing dance as a career. So why not just dance around and love it?
00:13:21
Speaker
I couldn't agree more. And I love that you have Chi Chi kids as well. My background is in primary school teaching. I was a primary school teacher and for 15 years before I moved into health and fitness. So, you know, like we would have learned a lot about, you know, kids development and obviously young kids learn through play.
00:13:37
Speaker
and the structured gymnastics and dance at different classes, which are brilliant for kids, you know, and these hobbies that we put in place for them. But it is that pressure. And I remember I was an anxious kid that I didn't enjoy pressure, like, you know, the trying to perform to other people's standards, being able to just come in and and dance for fun and to play. I think a lot of people don't realize how important that actually is for a child's development, for their physical development, for the development of their brain.
00:14:06
Speaker
to just learn how to move their body and use parts of their brain that they don't use when they're sitting in a classroom. Yeah, and also the other thing I noticed with all the kids that I've taught over the years is that actually, I mean, I just feel it's so vital. It's so vital for kids to dance around and understand or do gymnastics. Well, in within school, you don't have to do it really, really seriously, but just to learn what your body can do. Because what actually makes me quite sad now in adult life and with all the adults I work with and adults I teach is so many of those adults
00:14:37
Speaker
struggle to find any level of coordination. They don't understand what their bodies can do because they've never really done anything with their bodies on any kind of regular basis, other than to sort of make sure they get their steps in and walk, which don't get me wrong, is really, really vital. But they don't know what their bodies can actually do. So then they tend to lack competence in themselves.
00:14:57
Speaker
you know, whatever, wherever that is, sort of the core of them, they lack a bit of competence. But all the kids, and this would be you included, because you said I danced till I was 18, but then I'm quitting, I didn't kind of carry it on. But if you came to a dance fitness class, you know what your body can do, you know that you've done, you know what you've done in the past, you know what your body can do, you've got some level of confidence that even though it might be a bit alien at first, there's going to be some memory that comes back. There's going to be an ability that your body had some level of coordination and strength and it understood some of the terminology even. I think it's really important. I think little kids should start off just because whether they ever go on and dance ever again, stepping into a yoga class or a Pilates class or any of those classes, when you kind of know what your body can sort of do, it gives you a sort of
00:15:41
Speaker
bit of competence to stick at it and as you know it's sticking at things whatever that thing is that essentially gets you the long-term health gains. Yeah, it scares me how quickly we can disconnect from our bodies and kind of ruin ourselves a little bit. I don't like to say ruin ourselves because I don't think anything's permanent. you know I think we can eat we can bring ourselves back. But I think you know from our adult lifestyles of driving around, sitting at desks, looking after everybody else, as mothers looking after everybody else but ourselves, that you can feel so disconnected with yourself. So like with my coaching, what I do is I help people really reconnect
00:16:21
Speaker
with themselves again and when I was working in person with people in the gym it is amazing how how much we can forget how to move like if you look at a child and I'm sure you know if you're working with kids you see it all the time a small child can literally squat right down and play with toys on the floor and stay in a squat a really deep squat position comfortably and naturally that's how we we know when they're even in this yeah position whereas most adults when they go to actually do a squat pattern, find it very difficult because they've got tight ankles, they've got tight hips. And I'm not saying that in any sort of judgmental way, I'm including myself in this, we have to work for any type of strength and mobility now. And I think it's so rewarding when you find a fitness class or a hobby, or a trainer to work with, or you know, whatever it is that you find for for you to connect with your body again,
00:17:14
Speaker
discover what it can do and be read like, there's nothing more empowering than being like, did I just do that? What else can I do? It's just so, so empowering. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. People need to get addicted to that feeling though. It's like that stepping into it and giving it a go, because I think I could probably say wholeheartedly that everybody, once they've done, even if it's their first exercise class, it might be a challenge. It might be hard work, lifting weights might hurt, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but that feeling at the end of having done it, whether it was a run or a, you know, whatever it is, you know, I certainly know at the end of our class, I can literally feel this energy in the room of one pure joy, but we're all buzzing off these monumental endorphins.
Impact of Music in Fitness
00:18:00
Speaker
And also, i you know, I get some of my ladies saying to me, oh, my kids love them i love mummy on a Monday night because I come here.
00:18:07
Speaker
dance my heart out, I sing to all these show tunes, I'm really really big on music actually as being a bit of a soundtrack to life and helping how we feel up here and obviously I'm obsessed with musical theatre. So a lot of the nature of my classes obviously is the fitness but I would say equally is feeding them music that's gonna inspire them, motivate them, empower them, choke them, make them cry a bit, make them feel so many things because You know, just letting your feelings out is so healthy. But I've had um ah mums and ladies in my class go, my kids love a Monday night mummy because I literally arrive here so stressed out and I go home and I'm practically Mary Poppins. And they know that anything they ask, I'll say yes with a smile on my face because I feel practically perfect.
00:18:54
Speaker
And it's like, well I just love that a kid has no noticed that their mom goes off to a class and returns a happier mommy. It's like cute. That is so cute. And in relation to the music as well, it's just such a powerful vehicle to connect with yourself.
00:19:14
Speaker
to connect with the present moment or even sometimes you know obviously to take you take you to a past moment like quite often will happen with music but it is such a powerful way to connect within and from what we were just talking there about about that sense of empowerment that you get from the classes anyone listening who i know there's some people listening like i'd love to do that or i'd love to try a dance class like that or i'd love to go to a gym class or a yoga class or whatever it is but I don't have the confidence. I know that a lot of people feel so unfit or so immobile or so disconnected from their own bodies that they feel shame and they feel embarrassment and they have no self-confidence. And I just want to say, if you're listening to this and you're can and you are relating to that, that this is your sign.
00:20:00
Speaker
this you know i think you are are you are describing so well that feeling it doesn't you don't have to wait till you reach a goal to have that feeling no you can have that feeling after your first class and yeah just being so proud of yourself or just actually going and showing up for yourself and also for for all your listeners you know Our role as trainers and and teachers and instructors is to make sure that when you step through that door we make you feel as comfortable and as welcome and as non-judged as possible because all we care about
00:20:33
Speaker
is that you come in and enjoy this because we want you to stick at something we know will make you feel great.
Community and Connection in Classes
00:20:38
Speaker
So if you're in that place of going, do I do i not go and see a trainer or work with someone or go into that group class or whatever, everyone's been there at that point where it's terrifying and they perhaps feel like they're so wrong for it and so unfit and so not ready. But once you step through the door, our role is to make sure we want to keep you there because we know the results we'll get with you. So we're going to make that as pleasant as possible.
00:21:03
Speaker
night shit like trust this journey we're there to hold your hand at the other end as well or at least certainly get them jazz handing one way or the other depends what you choose to go off and do exactly and take that five minute action and just be like i'm committing to walking in the door i can stop whenever i want and it's like oh i'll do this and i won't be able to do this and like stop looking so far ahead just walk in the door trust that you will be looked after and just give it a try. And, you know, you might walk into a gym and try a gym class that you really don't like. That doesn't mean, oh, I give up my fitness journey. Like, okay, maybe I'll try a yoga class, maybe I'll try a dance class. There is something out there for everyone. So tell me more. Do you have Chi Chi fit all over the country? and Whereabouts are you based?
00:21:46
Speaker
I'm based in Cheltenham, but that's kind of irrelevant. Although way not I run the brand and I obviously grow the brand and I train all our instructors who are all around the country and Australia and America, which is super exciting. But I also instruct because I really don't believe I can lead from the front if I'm not physically in the room with the people.
00:22:08
Speaker
witnessing, experiencing everything that they feel from the content, the choreography, the routines, the the way we piece together the classes. And I have to say, it's the best part of the job, is the is he instructing, but also all the people. I i don't know if it's kind of a January thing, it's a New Year thing. And you've had a couple of weeks off over Christmas and I never take very long off because I miss my own classes and my own classes are my fitness. So if I'm not doing my classes, I've got to think of something else to go off and do. And in dark, damp days, the great outdoors isn't quite so appealing. But yes, just noticing coming back, you know, in the last week, how excited I am to not only see everyone I teach,
00:22:48
Speaker
how excited they are to see every all their friends they've made in that class. That's another thing, people. Social, oh my gosh, you can get the best social life with all the wonderful people who you meet in these classes, but also all my instructors. I just feel like it's just so wonderful to be surrounded in class and from from afar.
00:23:06
Speaker
by this kind of, I call them my cast, of just incredible people. And it it yeah, and I don't know whether I'm super lucky that Chichi Fiches detracts a really incredible type, but yeah, and instructors and members alike. It's like, I feel so, it's just, it's definitely, I'm having a kind of, one of those awareness moments where I must not take this for granted that as well as obviously keeping fit and and and and growing this brand that's becoming really successful and I'm really proud of, I'm actually the best bits of the people, the best bits of the people.
00:23:40
Speaker
Yeah, the people and the energy and the feeling. How did we, how do we miss community there with without what we were talking about? Community is such a huge part of it as well. So as well as that sense of achievement, going to a class where you see the same people most weeks and being part of something that's not just you. And I think that's something that we all crave in society nowadays with everything being online. I run an online business, but mine is very much community based. We have a huge online community of ladies that support each other. I think it's really, really important to be a part of something that works for you with people who have common interests and common goals to you.
00:24:17
Speaker
And you also get these really amazing mixed aged friendships because, you know, all the different stages of life where it's obvious where you make friends, like at primary school and then at secondary school and then at university or college or whatever, or then in your job. And then as a mum, you get another kind of, you know, the playground and all your mum friends.
00:24:36
Speaker
You know, and they tend to be sort of similar age to you because we're all sort of mummy age with a five-year-old or mummy age with a 10-year-old, you know, whatever. It's it's not big age ranges nor ordinarily. But in a fitness class, and I'm again noticing this, it's so wonderful when everybody comes rushing back to the room, they've had a couple of weeks away, and you're seeing 65-year-olds, super excited to see Katie, who's only 28, and they're all sharing and they go to the theatre with each other outside of class, and you think,
00:25:04
Speaker
that is mixed ages I think is really really those kind of friendships are hard to find but really healthy and yeah that's just another again it's just a very new year observation that makes me really happy to see all these friendships forming that are irrelevant of age or where you're at in life but totally about having a love of the same thing and doing you know that's where you came together you love fitness or dancing or musical theatre or theatre or all of those things combined and you found that as your place of the start of a friendship.
Danella's Background and Career Shift
00:25:38
Speaker
It's just gorgeous.
00:25:39
Speaker
those kind of friendships what that are based on ah like having a common love of something. just They just feel a little different to someone rather than just being friends with, and which there's nothing wrong with these friends either, but being friends with someone because you have kids the same age isn't the same quality of friendship as a friend that you know you're talking about. You were like, oh, I can't wait to go and see this show, or I can't wait, or you know talking about like a piece of music, or whatever. That that's really kind of that passion that you have to be able to share that with someone. You just connect on a deeper level I think. Absolutely, absolutely. So musical theatre. So I presume your background is in musical theatre. Yeah, I was like one of those kids who had that moment and all the kids, all the adults I know who are in musical theatre or in theatre or the sort of the creative arts tend to have that moment. My moment was when I was about, in fact I had two moments and they happened in the same year when I was 10.
00:26:35
Speaker
One, I got cast as the lead in the school show, and it was the first time I kind of knew I could do anything. And then in that same year, I went to see The King and I, the musical, a little bit more of an obscure one, Rodgers and Hammerstein, but to this day, it's still my absolute favorite musical because I still haven't forgotten how I felt sitting in that theatre watching this colorful, exciting, glittery. It was really glittery. I just remember, because it's set in Siam, Thailand, you know, those kind of area. And it's temples and it's gold and it's princesses. and And I literally, I can still feel it now. And from that moment, I was like, oh my gosh, that's my world. That's where I want to be. And I just be aligned. Age 18, I was lucky enough to get a place at Guilford School of Acting, GSA. And I trained in their three-year musical theater degree course.
00:27:28
Speaker
and that was intense and had its ups and downs. That could be like a TV series in itself, drama school. I'd say you met some really interesting people there though.
00:27:40
Speaker
Well, actually the one person I did meet, my best friend in the whole wide world, and he has actually been by my side since I was 18 and we sort of started the journey together. And I actually, when you go back to sit parts of your life that were challenging, being at Guilford School of Acting was challenging. You know, it's not an easy ride doing that route for anyone who thinks that going off and doing STEM subjects is challenging, believe me. going to drama school is challenging on so many levels, physical, mental, emotional. But I met my best friend for life and actually, again, talking of long-term health.
00:28:18
Speaker
my best friend has probably been he has probably been the best thing for my health ongoing forever so yeah keep those best friends close to you people because they're very very good for your health so yeah drama school i came out of drama school with my best friend for life and among ah other really great friends but yeah life after drama school after it wasn't quite sort of the the glamour that I was, I don't know what I was expecting, but I thought it would be easier than it was. And actually, do you know what, touch on what we spoke about earlier? I had been dancing part of drama school. I probably did three classes a day. So, you know, three hours of dance a day along with walking to and from college and to all the different sites of the studios. I was so fit. I just took my body, my shape, my everything. I just thought that's how I was built. It was your lifestyle. lifestyle, but, you know, when you're in the community, you're not thinking about these things. You just think, that's me. And when I left drama school and suddenly I wasn't doing three dance classes a day and worse than that, I was broke. I couldn't even afford to go to pineapple studios and fork out 15 pounds for a dance class. I piled on the weight and I really lost my confidence. And actually that's where I found fitness. And I found fitness in the form of free fitness, the sort of fitness that we could all do with no excuses, which is I started by running, ah actually jogging.
00:29:37
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the slow running, but it's okay until you can run a bit faster. And, you know, I just had to open my front door and go, it cost me nothing but my time. And I know all of this is really obvious now, but that's because we're in a world where we're surrounded with our social media, we're surrounded by incredible influencers who are telling us how amazing fitness feels. We're surrounded by podcasts like your own, where we share our expertise and our knowledge and and people listen and they go, well, I'll give that a go. But 30 years ago, you know, I'm closing in on 50, 30 years ago,
00:30:07
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There was nothing. We were being fed what we were being told in magazines. Yeah, literally. And no one said exercise is a game changer for here. Everyone thinks of exercises, lose weight, la, la, la, la, la, la, shape up. It's a game changer for your mind. It's so good for your mind. It makes you feel so good. It puts it in such a different place to where it was before that it helps all those other things. So I discovered running, essentially, and that came from a ah need to shift some of this weight that I put on after drama school but to feel better about myself. But I fell in love with that feeling of being fit.
00:30:45
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And eventually that led to going to the gym and led to going to classes. Whilst I was at drama school, I was really fortunate. I come from an an incredible family where my mum is the leading authority in Chinese massage, acupuncture and medicine in this country. And so I decided whilst I was training at drama school that I should also train in all those forms of massage. So I had a resting job that wasn't waitressing and doing stuff I didn't want to be doing.
00:31:10
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So when I came out of drama school, I had these qualifications, and I straight away, whilst I was auditioning for all the shows, I started massaging. I was kind of what they referred to then. I don't know if this exists anymore, but I was an on-call therapist. So all the big like London hotels, like the Dorchester, the Piccadilly, any of those big London hotels, they would have me on their books. And if they had a customer who wanted a massage in their spa, there was a certain type, like,
00:31:37
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I do a lot of Chinese Thai Balinese, some of the more sort of unusual that aren't your just deep oil or what have you. They'd call me in and say, can you be in tomorrow between three and five? And it just suited my life perfectly because then it freed me up. You aren't really well in those two or three hours. I could say yes or no. It freed me up to do auditions, which I hated. I said the auditions. That was another kind of, oh dear.
00:32:03
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I don't know how I'm going to get onto the stage if I hate the process that you have to go through to get onto the stage. That's a whole nother story. Anyway, long story short, I got an opportunity through my massage to work in a brand new like five star I mean i don't even think it's that. I think it's beyond what's possible. Health Spa in the Caribbean. It was a brand new hotel opening. Very, very exclusive. They were opening this new health spa and they were looking for therapists who would be prepared. You know what? I didn't have an acting job at the at the time. I wasn't working. So I was like, what have I got to lose? So off I tootled to a luxury resort in the Caribbean. It wasn't that challenging.
00:32:44
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I worked hard mind in that time, but in literally my first week there, I got assigned as my first patient as such, Sir Paul McCartney. Wow. I know, I was like, you want me to go and massage a beetle? But not only that, he was there for three weeks and I was assigned him for the three weeks, whereby daily I would go down to his villa by the beach, he was on a beachfront villa, and massage him.
00:33:09
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and you know I was 22, I think, at the time. so even I remember feeling quite grown up, but even then, I don't think I realized quite the scale of the person I'm with, who most importantly is sharing his insights to his life with me. And even more excitedly, he was really interested in me in my life in this kind of London girl. I was living in London at the time. Like, why are you on this island in the middle of nowhere? I mean, I know it's very exclusive and it's incredible, but what led you here? He was fascinated. So that also slightly blew my mind that you just expect the sort of, I think he's referred to as the most famous man and on earth.
00:33:50
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But you don't expect them to really care too much about your little life. But I would say, if anything, he drew a conversation back to me the whole time of what my dreams were, what what my passions were. And I was like, you know, what I'm an actress. I've trained in musical theatre. That's my dream. But it's challenging. And I've not long been out of drama school.
00:34:11
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And he actually said to me, you know, he talked a lot about his own life and his own career, the good, the highs, the lows. And he said, you know, it's it's such an elusive career and such a tiny, tiny percentage actually make it.
00:34:27
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that you said, you know, have you thought about taking more control of your own life and using your skills and your passion, the dance, choreography, maybe be directing, step to the other side where you make the choices and and do something with it that way so you can always be doing what you love. And actually, that was a real light bulb moment because I thought, oh, yeah.
00:34:48
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I mean, I was young, so it's like, how could I do this? Anyway, when I got back from the Caribbean, I had a little brief brief stint of traveling the world and meeting up with all the people that I'd met in the Caribbean because they were incredible. I mean, they weren't all the Paul McCartney's, but Paul McCartney is Paul McCartney because we know who he is, but they're phenomenal people who are at that resort.
00:35:06
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authors, writers, creatives, just like lawyers who had fascinating lives in Chicago, who invited me to come and stay if I was ever passing by. So I obviously made sure I was passing by quite soon after my student. I passed by in a lot of places after the camera would be in. A long road home. of a long road home, a long developmental road home that made me go, you know, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do what Sir Paul McCartney has suggested. And I, obviously I put some time and effort and energy into it. It didn't happen immediately, but I opened a drama's theatre school, stage school, for kids. So I was teaching four four to 18, well, me and my team, four to 18 year olds musical theatre.
00:35:48
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and it was wonderful and I'll cut a long story short over the years a lot of the parents were saying would you do anything like this for adults we'd love to have a go you know and I think that's really forward thinking about adults those ones who go I want this as my hobby not just my kids hobby so I dabbled a little bit with some adult classes teaching musical theatre but it became apparent very very quickly that they loved the moment in that class where we did a massive dance routine to a really amazing song from a show, belting out on the top of our voices if we wanted to, getting fit, getting a bit sweaty, ticking a lot of mummy boxes in one go like, this is our fitness class, we're dancing to songs we love, I just, one of, a moment I'll never forget is doing the routine fame from the musical fame. I'm gonna live forever, I'm gonna learn how to fly, I just sort of, everybody came to life. It's a really high energy routine, we were all sweating, at the end of it we were all like,
00:36:39
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And it was that moment that when you guys don't want to learn to sing and act alongside of all this, you just want to dance and get sweaty and get fitter and feel more fabulous.
Chi (...) Fit's Growth and Collaboration
00:36:50
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So that's where the beginnings of the idea for Chichi Fit came to place. Show tunes, showbiz and fitness. There's got to be a fusion somewhere that would be ah amazing.
00:37:02
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What a story, my God, literally. if People won't be able to see me when they're listening to this, but I'm like, literally, what a fascinating story. And really, isn't it amazing how like moments happen in our lives, like little decisions that lead to the next decision, that lead to the next decision. And it just blows my mind, like, you know, that you went to work in that hotel, you got to have conversations with really amazing people, which then helped to inspire you being around inspiring people makes you want to bring out the best in yourself and gives you a perspective that you weren't thinking. So you were like, oh, I have to make it as an actor. I have to make it on the stage. I have to do auditions. I hate auditions. I'll just go and work in this hotel for a while. And then it was like, I can use my talents in a slightly different direction. And he was so right. Oh my gosh. So Paul McCartney, if you're listening, i he's my top fan. Yeah, absolutely. But you were also really did for me and I really
00:38:01
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encourage young people, my own children, they're 16 and 18, is just say yes to opportunity. It doesn't matter how terrified you are, say yes because you just don't know what's going to happen. And actually, I honestly say that that moment with Sir Paul McCartney where someone like him took the time out to listen to me and advise me on life and show an interest in my life made me think, okay, people will do that. So when I eventually came up with the idea at Gigi Fit,
00:38:26
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and started pi doing all my research. that Did it exist even? And at the time, it didn't. You know, musical theatre, fitness, the fusion of show tunes and showbiz and the glamour of that world and Broadway brought into a fitness class didn't exist. It's coming to life now, a bit wider a field for me as well, which is wonderful. But i when I came up with that idea, I thought I don't want to just create a class in Cheltenham. If I'm going to do this, I need to do this on a big scale. I already had the stage school, which has now, well, a couple of classes are still running through other people, but essentially I don't run that at all anymore. All my time and effort is is in Teach Fit. I also taught for many years at the Cheltenham Ladies College, working with teenage girls, teaching teenage girls, which I absolutely loved.
00:39:11
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But until I ran out of time to do that as well, because Tucci just took over. But when I came up with the idea for Tucci, I thought, I want to collaborate with somebody on this, because I need somebody on my side who will get this to the market quicker, who will get us exposure, because I'm just a little me. I'm just a little Donella from child known. And while the idea is great, and like I've got I can create all the content, and I can do all of that, I need somehow to get that step up where this will get more exposure quicker and get to market quicker because my dream, it's my ongoing dream is to touch as many lives as I can with the joy of musical theatre. it But musical theatre still comes first because the two because then they could become obsessed with both. It's great. Anyway, so I thought, right, who would I like to do this with? And it's very whimsical, you know, that if we could do this with anyone, who would I want to do it with? And the first name that came to mind was Craig Revel Horwood.
00:40:00
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I know part of that was because it was October and he was on our screens on Strictly and so he was very much in our front rooms but also I know not I didn't know him personally but I knew Craig from musical theatre world not from Strictly. Strictly made him a household name but he really everything about Craig is deeply in the world of musical theatre. He was a great dancer, he was in Cats, he was, you know, he's done so many musicals and that's kind of, so I thought, oh my God, he embodies everything that I want you to fit to be. Showbiz, musical theatre, camp, glittery, showbiz, like, he is everything. And I truly believe that my experience with support McCartney, and it wasn't just support McCartney, I massaged Bruce Willis, I massaged like all those big movie stars at that time. I felt like, well, they didn't just diss me like a nobody, so
00:40:49
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I'm gonna try and get in front of Craig Revelholt and ask if he wants to do this with me. Anyway, took a long time to get in front of Craig Revellord. But when I did, and I pitched him this idea, he was like, that's just genius. It's like just genius. I mean, yes. And you know, and it was really lovely, because just like me, he's passionate about musical theatre. And he was like, wouldn't it be amazing to get more and more people into the world of musical theatre, not because they had to go to drama school or had to do all of that, just because it's a fitness class that they can go to. So,
00:41:22
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Yeah, that was a, that was another moment when Craig Revel Horwood said, yes, I'll do this with you. What do we do next? I was like, kind of like ja pick up the chin and go, next. Right. There's a next. The truthful thing about next, which I've not actually told anyone. I don't think other than my close circle is that we began choreographing the first program, Chi Chi fits sort of signature class.
00:41:47
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And he invited me to his home at the time, his kind of country home, not his London pad, his country home, to just blitz it over three days. It was the heat of summer, like it was the hottest, hottest few days of summer. So when I rocked up at his house and I was literally Obviously, pretending I wasn't. There's a really good musical theatre song, by the way, if you ever need to be the person that's not terrified because you have to be really, really confident and i'm totally in your place. It's called Zaz. It's from the musical The Prom. Look it up. Giving it some zaz is kind of literally hiding your fear and having courage and confidence. Anyway, that' Z-A-Z-Z. Z-A-Z-Z. I'm going to play this after. All right, go. I think Nicole Kidman sings it in the movie version, but it's also a stage show. Anyway, so I had to give it some zazz in that moment because I was utterly terrified, but I had to pretend I wasn't. I was going for a sleepover with Craig Revell-Hort. It was hilarious. I was trying to tell my kids at the time who were 10 and 12. No, they were younger, 8 and 10, because this was still we're very much in the idea. We haven't launched. even seven and nine, maybe. And and they'd seen Strictly, we sort of watched Strictly on Saturday nights and Strictly was kind of not long finished its season. And I was like, you know, the judge Craig, I'm going out of sleep over at his house tomorrow and the next night because we're choreographing together and they were like.
00:43:06
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And so we basically choreographed in our shorts and t-shirt by the side of the pool. And after every routine, jumped in the pool to cool down, jumped back out again and carried on. And then late that night when it cooled down and it was dark, we sat in a hot tub with the jets on full whack to get some massage and loose. We'd been dancing all day and we did that a second day in a row.
00:43:26
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Anyway, that was really, really exciting. And we got to a place with Craig where he was so busy, see his timetable is bonkers. So I was left more in charge of it. And he's since come back as ambassador of the brand, which is really, really exciting. And last summer we did, well actually the summer before, 2020, 30, we did a wonderful masterclass tour where Craig came in and she chewed with people all over the country and alongside me. And yeah, that was really exciting. And again, just another moment to go Just ask.
Embracing Change and Opportunities
00:43:58
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Just ask. Whatever it is you're doing in your life where you're filled with fear, you've only got one shot at it. Just ask. Just say to that person, this is what I'm thinking. What do you think? The worst they can go is they might even laugh at you. I can't even imagine they would. But it's really not that terrible. The other side of what could happen isn't so terrible.
00:44:17
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No, you're not going to die if someone laughs at you. No, you just get over it. And no one knows. It was a private moment. Just don't tell anyone. But just be brave enough and ask. And I really feel like all those moments where I had to be brave and go, I'm going to do this because this I really want this. I really want. And also you've got to have a lie that's trying. I want this so badly to reach more and more people. like And literally, you know, i one of my sort of catchphrases in Chi Chi Fit is changing lives one musical at a time, whether that's because they've got fitter and happier and healthier, whether that's because they made some great friends that they never would have made, whether that's because I introduced them to theatre and show tunes and they find a love that they may never have done, or maybe they've done all of those things in their life and they've found something that combines it all and they can get to do it regularly. So to have Craig on board to help me sort of facilitate getting this out to a wider audience just was wonderful, yeah.
00:45:09
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I am so inspired. to I'm honestly, I'm literally, you know, kind of goosebumps. What an inspiration like this, you know, your journey and what I love as well. I could have a whole other podcast with you on talking about business, which we don't do because that's not what this, but this podcast is not about business, but have just having the confidence to ask and not being afraid to fail. And I think that we can all take something from that, that.
00:45:34
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The worst that someone can say to you is no. The worst thing that can happen but if you try something new is that you don't like it or it doesn't work out. And then you just get up and try again. And be surprised at what can happen. Absolutely. Absolutely. Before we finish up, I do want to talk to you a little bit about Menopause, the musical.
00:45:54
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but that's my made up musical, but it's the musical I'm currently living. Oh, I'm living Peri Menopause the musical. Well, we have had quite a few different menopause experts on the podcast, so I would love to hear Menopause the
Menopause as a New Beginning
00:46:09
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musical. I would love to hear your take on it.
00:46:12
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OK, so firstly, I'm no expert. What makes me an expert is I'm about to turn 49. I am beautifully in the woes and throes of perimenopause. So I'm talking from experience. I also am surrounded by a lot of women around my age.
00:46:29
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all in that same Johnny boat. And I tell you what's fascinating. And again, I will be the first to admit nearly everything I know in life I've learned on the job. But I do think that's the best place in all my areas of life. I learn as I do because I never expect things to teach me so much. And that's another big being been a big eye opener to me in life. All the areas of life that I seem people seem to think I'm an expert or I'm intelligent over is it's I'm just doing it. I'm just doing that life and I'm learning from it and I'm learning from the people. And like you said, chatting to people on this podcast is great because you learn so much from each other. It's where you learn the most is from other people and listening to them and chatting with them. So my menopause journey is basically, I'm going through it. And I think it's wonderful that everyone's talking about it so much more than they ever were. There's so much more awareness and it is comforting. I 100% agree. It's comforting to know that all those symptoms you're suffering,
00:47:23
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are normal and other people are too. But I think for me, it's kind of trying to reframe it. and it's It's the world of musical theatre. There's got to be some glitter and glam in there somewhere that I can find. And I think for me, it's kind of reframing it as more of an encore in life. You know, come on, baby, give me some more rather than a curtain call where, you know, the curtain's coming down on us and that is us done. So With all the people I'm surrounded by who I'm aware are in the same phase as me, what I'm trying to do is help them realise their life can get even more colourful from this point on. We're not fading. We're not becoming black and white and a sort of shadow of our former selves. We are in a process now of reinvention.
00:48:11
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and I just like to support people with that mindset and that frame of mind that, yeah, it's a process of change. And don't get me wrong, when I wake up in the morning and feel like I've got tennis elbow or golfer's shoulder all of a sudden, it's a hormonal thing that's going on inside me. I don't like that. does' It doesn't feel good. It doesn't even make me want to teach sometimes. And low mood is a real thing, really associated with perimenocause. And for someone like me who's generally in a really high, upbeat state, and if I'm not, I ram on the right songs,
00:48:41
Speaker
from shows to get me there. I felt alone for a period of time. and I thought, this is the who is this person? What is this? So I've experienced pretty much you know the picture-perfect symptoms that that come with this. But I also really realized that fitness. I know that's what you and I talk about the whole time. People probably go, yeah, all right, is there something else? But no, moving your body, just moving your body daily in whatever way feels good is one of the best things. And I feel so fortunate that I have to go out and teach all my classes that I teach each week. i Actually, I only teach three classes a week outside of all the stuff I do online and what have you. But
00:49:19
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I have to go and stand in front of a giant class of people who look at me. I have to fill them with glitter and glam and the experience of Broadway.
Music as Motivation and Inspiration
00:49:27
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And I have to be as high energy as I can possibly be because I'm trying to encourage them to get fit. And by copying me and witnessing my energy levels, that does rub off on them. And sometimes that's not easy. I'd rather just curl up in a ball and hide from the world for a few days, mid-month, or wherever it is in the month. I don't really keep track. I just know it happens.
00:49:45
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It's the same part of the month where all I want to do is eat bread. That part. So like lots of bread and but and literally bread and only bread. I have no choice but to get out in front of a class and do what I do. I know know not everyone does my world but all I can say to all those people is when I do that thing, which is dance,
00:50:03
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to great music, moving my body, I come away. I feel fixed until the next episode. You know, it's so powerful. It's so powerful. And I'm so lucky it's my job. but But I do really want people to know that this fitness thing that not just me or you talk about, as in moving our bodies in a way that helps our ah our mind feel better and everything feel better, really, truly is one of the big answers to this phase of life. Really, really is.
00:50:32
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And stick a great soundtrack on, I mean, Wicked, that if you haven't seen Wicked or at least known that it's on at the cinema, by the way, Wicked's on at the cinema, it's come much more to the forefront of my mind. Obviously, we we do lots of routines from the musical Wicked within Chi Chi Fit classes, but not everybody knew Wicked very well. If they hadn't been to see the stage show, they perhaps didn't know it, but now they've seen it at the cinema with their kids or with their families or whatever. So Wicked has sort of been brought much more to the forefront of everyone's lives. There are lyrics in that,
00:51:01
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lyrics within songs of that show that are so powerful. And I think one that would be really great to perhaps draw this to a close on is, well, well actually two. Both sung by Elphaba, interestingly enough, the you know Strong Witch. I'm through accepting limits because someone says they're so. And that lyric I think is so powerful. I'm through accepting limits because someone says, I feel like there's so many limits put on, limitations put on us in this menopausal phase of life because it's tough. But actually don't accept those limits.
00:51:32
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play the right song, move your body in the right way, and quite a lot of those limits are lessened. And also another one, unlimited, my future is unlimited. That's another lyric. I sing that to my daughter. It used to be her lullaby, unlimited. I used to hold her little hands when she was like,
00:51:51
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seven or eight in bed saying my good night and I'd hold her hands and we'd sing together unlimited I can't sing I've got no voice by the way so I'm just gonna sort of semi sing our future is unlimited together will be the greatest team there's ever been her name's Bella dreams the way we plan them If we work in tandem, there is nothing you and I can't achieve if we
Closing Thoughts and Encouragement
00:52:19
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believe. Anyway, that was our lullaby. And that's from Wicked, that kind of sense of unlimited. So yeah, I think if I could send anyone off with a sort of message, it is unlimited. Our futures are unlimited.
00:52:34
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I love this. We are going to finish on that note. Don't listen to this and not take action. Your future is unlimited. Whatever you're thinking of doing, go and do it. Danella, thank you so much for this most amazing, amazing conversation.
00:52:49
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Oh, thanks. Thanks, Kate. It's been really lovely chatting with you. I'm so inspired by you, and and I'm sure the listeners will also be really, really inspired by you. And if they want to find you on the internet, where is the best place to do so? Well, you can find me on all the social platforms. Look for chichi-fit.co.uk for our website.
00:53:09
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and cheaty fit dance fit on social platforms but yeah it's a lovely place if you just need a little uplift to be drawn into the musicals to have a little dabbling what that world's all about and hopefully be inspired to get fit because of it. And we have a lot we have a lot of UK listeners we have a lot of those in the US as well do you think your classes will be coming to Ireland anytime soon?
00:53:32
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Yes, in fact, they're returning to Ireland because the lovely lady who was teaching them has been on maternity and she's just about to revamp and relaunch. But on that note, actually, listeners, I'm not very good at this kind of whole telling you how you could be involved because I just get so excited trying to tell people how much they're going to love musical theatre.
00:53:51
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um If you're listening and you think, oh, I could train in this, we need people to bring these classes to life everywhere over the country. There's so much demand for more classes. Obviously, we just need more people to teach them. You don't need to have have experience and be a fitness whiz already or even a trained or experienced dancer. We teach you everything.
00:54:12
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And the nature of the classes are the classes themselves are designed for all ages. We even have a seated fitness program, Chi Chi chair, for people to do an entire class from the comfort of a chair. Obviously it attracts a lot of the elderly, but the elderly love.
00:54:27
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musicals, they love the nostalgia associated with it. So my point is, we've got a programme for everything from kids, you know, six to 106. And all the classes are designed for people who are non dancers, and perhaps none haven't done any fitness. So as an instructor, if you wanted to train to teach these classes, you don't have to be we will make you right for the role if it's something you think you would enjoy. And that way you would help me on my mission to reach more and more people and is inspire them with the joys of musicals.
00:55:02
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Amazing. So if anyone wants to reach out in relation to, you know, getting trained up or in just in relation to attending a class, check out and the Chi Chi Fit website. And I Googled it. If you Google it, it comes up and she has a fabulous, and I presume this gold glitter on your hoodie is the gold glitter you were talking about in that first musical. Yeah. Gold glitter. A bit of gold glitter in life goes a long way. So yeah, glitter up your lives, people. but yeah Although it goes glittery as well.
00:55:31
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Thank you so much. You're welcome.
00:55:38
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I just want to say thank you so much for listening to the podcast. It really means so much to me that there are people out there actually listening to what I have to say and to the conversations that I'm having with others. So thank you so much. If you are enjoying the podcast, could you please make sure that you are subscribed? And if not, if you could hit that subscribe button, it really does make that much of a difference. Also, if you would like to leave a review on any of the episodes that you listen to that you particularly enjoy I would love to hear what you have to say and also if there's an episode that you've enjoyed please do share it on your social media in your whatsapp groups with your friends if you're sharing it on your stories please tag myself in it and whoever I'm interviewing this it would be greatly appreciated
00:56:21
Speaker
Also, if you're interested in working with me and my wonderful team, please do you contact me about applying for coaching. So you can contact me at Kate Hamilton health at gmail dot.com or on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all Kate Hamilton health. And you will be able to apply for coaching. We can organize to have a chat and see if it's a good fit for you and get you moving towards your goals.