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S2 Ep61: Talkcast
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Join Dave and Jake as they "talk shop" as the kids say.
I think.
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Grumpiness and Social Fatigue
00:00:00
Speaker
There's no escaping that by the way as I continue to grow up I realized that no skating one like Grumpiness due to fatigue Like that's not a child thing. That's a human thing Like people like if I'm fatigued though, but like that's really few and far between. Yeah, like I would need a lot of actual travel like Via plane, okay
00:00:28
Speaker
So you don't get like social fatigue in the same way it would it would need to be like Like if land party went for like another three hours type thing I'd be like
00:00:44
Speaker
I'm dead. Like, I haven't been in my own comfort zone, I haven't been able to shower, have my own amenities, and I'm like with these other people. Who I like and care about, but like, at the same time, it's my weekend. If I go from like, it's Friday night, and I see people the whole time, and then it's now Monday morning,
00:01:04
Speaker
I didn't get any time away, so I didn't get the recharge. I get that 100%. It does not take as long for me, so by the end of Land Party I'm done. The tradition that we were kind of invited into, and I think we skipped out on it last time of going to a meal with Justin and Rachel.
00:01:27
Speaker
uh afterwards lunch oh yeah um like that's that's hardcore pushing it like is that for me is it's like uh you're coming down
00:01:42
Speaker
So it's a reduced drain for us, but it's drain and if there's like my thing is like we can We can go there we can get Whatever food cuz I'm usually it's around lunch. I'm hungry by that time and I also just want to offset the amount of alcohol I put in my body But then I also gets like hang out with two people who I like and to shoot the shit and kind of like recap Hey, how would you land yada yada? Someone's supposed to being an asshole or whatever, you know, yeah
00:02:10
Speaker
But I mean, once I leave there, I'm like, fuck, I still have to drive home and unpack all this shit. And then after I unpack, shower and everything's like, it doesn't probably takes me five minutes. Honestly, five minutes to set my computer back up. And then I just sit there like.
00:02:33
Speaker
and my body's just like we're not doing anything yeah where's my body's still physically tired from like the socialization and mainly the drinking sleeping on the floor possibly oh my god there have been so many times where i don't know if you know this but uh you just start drinking fairly early at lamb party yeah and i mean i don't but yeah you know that i do okay right yeah um you do start really early
00:03:02
Speaker
Guys, I'll definitely drive there. We're gonna be a little bit late today. Still nursing this beer. But like, I forgot to... This is on more than one occasion. I forgot to inflate the air mattress ahead of time. So I'm there trying to like jam in these nozzles and like, this doesn't fit. I don't know what the fuck to do. And I think one time I just like put my mouth on and started blowing and like this is...
00:03:29
Speaker
I just lumped it up in a pile Like just this a shitty thick plastic and I kind of made that my my pillow I'm like life is what it is But like I put all the effort of like bringing this bulky ass thing and then I just
00:03:51
Speaker
Misappropriated entirely I get that So for for people just joining us we're talking about land parties How's it going everyone?
Podcast Planning vs. Organic Conversation
00:04:01
Speaker
Welcome to another episode of soapstone. My name is Jake. I'm joined by my co-host is always Dave I mean, I already know how you're doing because we've been talking for a while now, but
00:04:09
Speaker
I mean, it's still polite to ask. Yeah, I guess it's fair. See, you seem all right. I just assume it's fine. Yeah, I will. Yeah, land parties. So yeah, that's a decent enough topic, isn't it? To kick off this talk cast where we just talk about whatever.
00:04:29
Speaker
Yeah, I wanted to take a break from you know me not planning any given episode to me planning even less episode Where we just kind of shoot the shit and catch up and then we went ahead and planned some topics. I know
00:04:47
Speaker
It's this beautiful balance of I really care about this thing versus it isn't what it is. I think there's there's also like a fear sometimes when you're preparing for a for an episode. In my part, I have a fear that I'll run out of content.
00:05:03
Speaker
And even though this has literally not been an issue for like, Oh, anything that we've picked. Yeah. I'm like, this'll be fine. Yeah. Or we wing it. Or it's just, you find out there's more to discuss on a given topic than you thought. Yeah. Cause I know like when we've broken up episodes into, Hey, let's cover these points. Like, okay, we'll go through this and this'll be about 10 to 15. And the next thing.
00:05:29
Speaker
I don't know if it's you or me, but around the halfway mark, I'm like, we're not getting this other shit, by the way. Otherwise, you're going to have like an hour and a half long episode. No, that's very true, actually. Sometimes around the half hour mark or like halfway through our average episode.
00:05:48
Speaker
I do start to think about other things you can incorporate in or bring in, but that's usually for more abstract episodes. Anything we have something concrete that we're covering, we always have extra content for it.
00:06:01
Speaker
Yes. Because one of us, not me, will be like, I'm gonna Wikipedia this shit. And you'll actually do like a bit of a deep dive and like, hey, here's some other fun factoids about this game. I'm like, I just played it or got lazy and watched a YouTube video. It's just like, top 10 games that Jake likes. Number one. You know, you just get through the list.
00:06:24
Speaker
I would I would pay you a nice little bit of money if you did a whole episode in that voice, right? I think starting with number one is probably also a mistake that could be against the the top 10 meta But people just start to stop tuning in Well, I mean he already went through three. I don't really want to hear his Lowest favorite game, right? Yeah
00:06:48
Speaker
It's worth putting on the list, but he doesn't like it that much, do you? It's still good, but it's not that good, right? I'm still feeling a little...
00:07:01
Speaker
I mean, we discussed earlier, I'm feeling like a little bit off from the, I don't want to blame naff naff because naff naff is delicious. It's pretty good for the people who do not live by me or have a naff naff. Yeah. It's like a Mediterranean Chipotle. You go through, you can have your, your base. You can usually, I think they're always in bulls.
00:07:23
Speaker
But you can do like rice baba ganoush hummus lettuce Then you have like your whatever protein. I usually go like chicken shawarma Mm-hmm, which I forced Jake to as well cuz I was just double ordered. It was really good. Um Got some pickles some onions some garlic sauce
00:07:41
Speaker
It's all banging together like I added some hot sauce and then because the lid is sealed enough Yeah, I shake the living shit out of it right to make sure it's all mixed And then I attack it with a fork until I feel like I'm about to die And that's where we are now about to die sorry to inform everyone listening to the podcast We're right behind you Right behind you like on the way to area 51
The Phenomenon of Viral Events
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Speaker
I
00:08:09
Speaker
Oh yeah, that whole thing. So I literally got that update from Facebook. Just because I got flooded with memes and then on the Discord I saw memes and like, I feel like I missed something in the news. Yeah, yeah. Now my favorite thing about that, so it's like a Facebook event, right? Is what like kicked it off like Siege Area 51.
00:08:29
Speaker
Oh, so it was like an event somebody made. Yeah. And what happened was it got really popular, got shared around a lot. And there was it was an actual event. It was scheduled sometime in July. I don't remember exactly. I'm not sure if it's passed or not. But there was like 250, like a couple of days ago, there's 250,000 people confirmed going, which is like funny. And then there was around 250,000 people who were interested
00:08:57
Speaker
Which is hilarious. Like, I found that so much more funny than the others. We're just like, you know, if I'm in the area, I'll see Jerrya51. Well, I see people on Facebook all the time. They're like, oh, I'm interested in this event. I'm like, we both know we're fucking not driving to New York to see this band that we like. It's out of the way. Like, we've done it once or twice, but like.
00:09:21
Speaker
I need somebody to get me to go. Right. You're so like interested in an event to you is like if you woke up and there's like a gag in your mouth and you got out of the back of a car and you were at the venue, you would attend. I'm literally here. Stand out maybe a little bit in the mosh pit, right? Handcuffed hands.
00:09:48
Speaker
Man people are like looking around for my S&M owner I Don't know. Yeah, I mean obviously I wouldn't know so I feel like if somebody told me the terminology be like oh that makes sense It might just be master and slave. Yeah, and I'm just not thinking of it at the moment Yeah, I don't know So I said that yeah, I don't have a lot to contribute there But
00:10:14
Speaker
Yeah, thankfully that's not something any of us have encountered at least so far.
Concert Attendance and Social Anxiety
00:10:21
Speaker
I mean, being kidnapped. Yeah. And taken to a venue for a Facebook event that you're interested in. Like I see things that happen in Philadelphia, which is not too far. Right. And I'm like, Oh, that is interesting. I do like this performer. Right.
00:10:38
Speaker
But like, like I said, I'm kind of lazy in that regard. Yeah. You have no room to talk compared to me though, because I know the exact instance of what we'd be talking about. My face lit up as soon as Jake started the sentence. Say what you're going to say. Yeah. So I can verify it matches up with my theory. So like there's one of my favorite artists, probably my favorite artist actually is Tycho. And he had a show in Philly and
00:11:04
Speaker
I think his intention may have been to retire or what have you. That hasn't turned out to be the case. He actually came out with an album, which he liked me to, Weather. Thanks for letting me know that you got that message on Discord, by the way. Yeah, no worries. As usual, I will notify you in person the next time I see you. Got it. Thanks.
00:11:26
Speaker
But yeah, he was gonna have a show in Philly and he's like one of my favorite artists ever And Dave's like hey, you know, you should you should go you Literally like love this artist. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, but you know things I didn't go Just so I can check with my math make sure everything's on the up-and-up. Yeah, how many shows have you been to I don't do Christian conferences count
00:11:54
Speaker
No, I haven't a christian conference. It's not a fucking concert then none So, yeah, it's It's worth doing at least one Because like for me i'm like, oh I like this band. I listen to the music in the car on the cd And that's good enough for me. Like this is the recorded quality. How can it get better? Right and if you ever hear live recordings
00:12:21
Speaker
Like a CD like if you have somebody's live album never like it Great
00:12:28
Speaker
And it's still decent, like Sonata Arctica, I think I have a live album from them and some non-live, some dead albums. Dead albums, yeah, that is what they're called. But like when I've seen them live, it's a totally fucking different experience. Yeah. Because they're literally putting on a show. It's not just we do our songs and like just stand there in place. The performers. Yeah. Yeah. And they get some crowd interaction and other stuff. And every time I've been to
00:12:57
Speaker
Let's say never since I've been to live show it's been Great and I was happy for the experience. Mm-hmm I see occasionally read it threads pop up for like who's somebody you you went to see live that was like abysmal or something Yeah, obviously, I haven't had many experiences like that Like I guess tyco's deal is he remixes his his tracks like live for the actual show so it's not just a
00:13:23
Speaker
Because since it is like electronic music, it's like if you're not remixing it, then you're kind of just playing it. They're standing behind. Yeah. So like, I don't there are certain artists. I'm like, I don't understand how you get people to come to this.
00:13:40
Speaker
I think he also plays the keyboard, which helps a lot too. There's some people who are really good with live remixing. Not because I've seen them live, but because I've seen them on YouTube, obviously. Yeah, I know it's a skill. Some people definitely have. I've just not witnessed that firsthand. Yeah.
Live Music and Unique Performances
00:13:58
Speaker
Trying to think of it was, um, I can't remember his name, Sean something made a song with Sabi. It's really good. Like there's, uh, he would play, um, yeah, the biggest of shrugs, the biggest of shrugs. Uh, that up quick. Yeah. Let's look up quick Dave by time. Tell me about a person that you like listening to there. There is an upcoming thing in Philly. I'm trying to remember the exact date, but a Nate messaged me.
00:14:24
Speaker
His name is literally Sean. Okay. Yeah, it's not the song Okay, and he plays with these I'm just completely destroying your story. Just a little bit But it's like The pre-programmed boards where you have like the samples mm-hmm a sample board. We'll call it that oh
00:14:44
Speaker
But he has some really cool songs that are like, um, he literally has, and there's, there's like some, some culture overlap between like remixing and kind of like retro video games to a certain extent. But like, um, he would have, uh, one of these programmable sample boards and then like also samples bound to like an Xbox controller and a PlayStation controller. And for different parts of the song, he's like switching between these, modifying the loops and it's just pure insanity, like just savant level craziness.
00:15:14
Speaker
Yeah, I do like those things when they're good Which to be fair? I'm not sure if I would know if they were bad, right? Yeah, it's it's at the very least you the performance wise visually impressive and Better than just like if I heard the song I'd be like, oh this has like a nice beat to it or whatever But seeing it created on all of these devices is crazy
00:15:38
Speaker
But where I was going was, are you familiar with Bit Brigade? I've heard of them, yes. By you, actually. For everybody who's too lazy to Google and is less familiar, they have somebody do a speed run while they project it. But at the same time, the rest of the band will play the music of the game as the speed run's going on.
00:16:03
Speaker
So like, let's say the person goofs and dies at a part, they will restart the music for like what matches the game.
Managing Social Commitments
00:16:11
Speaker
Oh, geez. It's really cool. And they, I think they mainly done NES titles. Like Castlevania is very common. One of the old fucking Batman games. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, I think Mega Man two. Of course. Right. Duck tails.
00:16:29
Speaker
So my favorite one is Castlevania because Castlevania has fucking great music. Yeah, symphonies really. Yeah of the night Let me lean it lean into that one as he hits the point But they are gonna be playing again in Philly I went with Nate sometime last year. Yeah, but
00:16:50
Speaker
It's coming up in like a couple of weeks. It's like a Tuesday or Wednesday night. It's a little inconvenient, but you should come. It's so fucking cool. Yeah. Yeah. In the middle of the week. I don't know how you, how you do that really. Like, I mean, I don't go to any events in the middle of the week, like literally none. Yeah. You just kind of nix whatever you're doing for that night. And that's your event for the night. That's what you do. You leave work, you do this thing, you come home, you go to bed, but it's really good time.
00:17:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's always an effort to make myself go to non-standard or out of sequence social interactions. So like we record the podcast on Thursdays, so it's just allocated in my brain. I run D&D on Tuesdays, you know, it's like allocated in my brain.
00:17:41
Speaker
I still get like a little bit of anxiety, not for the podcast. Nobody cares about the podcast, but for D and D. Um, and, uh, but for the most part, it's just there and allocated. But if someone invites me to something and it's like outside of the standard allocated timeline, I have to build up some courage to do that. I think we talked about this once before. How much time do you need to feel comfortable, uh, like to acclimate to the upcoming event or is that what you mean?
00:18:10
Speaker
Like if I said, hey, Jake, uh, Tuesday, let's go grab dinner over here and it's someplace in between our apartments. Uh-huh. Would that throw a wrench in your week or would you want to know like a week in advance or would you just constantly be like, this is not normal? Right. I mean, in the past, uh, in either case.
00:18:31
Speaker
I have to overcome an initial discomfort. But that's for anything. My favorite person in the world could be like, hey, let's hang out X. And I'd be like, ah. And then think about it a little bit and be like, OK, yeah, I should do that. I'll have a good time or whatever. But now I have more social obligations. I think I say acuity. Yeah.
00:18:56
Speaker
Yeah, that's not true. Well actually, on average it's true.
Social Confidence and Authenticity
00:19:01
Speaker
Averaged over years. Maybe if you bundled acuity and then you tracked it on a plot. I'm better at social things now than I was for sure in the past. Part of that is just not caring as much anymore. And also just not being as worried about what everyone thinks around you at any given time.
00:19:18
Speaker
I feel that that sentence is mildly redundant because I feel like if you don't care, you don't care about what people think. Right. Well, here's the interesting thing. By not caring what people think or having reduced importance of what people think, you actually present yourself as a more acceptable person in sociable situations.
00:19:43
Speaker
You're not sitting off in the corner of the room having an introspective episode, thinking about what everyone's thinking about you. You're more likely to be engaged in a conversation. So no one's judging you for being off in the corner of the room. It actually improves just because you don't care about improvement.
00:20:02
Speaker
Yeah. Like I love some good self analysis and all that jazz, but I feel them at a point currently where when I'm with people I like and care about, it just rides. Yeah. So like I had some people over last night. Sorry, Jake, I shouldn't have invited you. It was good to just hang out, but like,
00:20:31
Speaker
The conversation might go in a different way or like you have subgroups or whatever. But at the same point, I'm me and I have been me for a very long time. Yeah. And I've definitely changed bold claims. Lies! Objection. But I'm saying like, I've definitely changed since college. I would like to think that I've matured in some areas and gotten a little more lax in others.
00:21:01
Speaker
But I like who I am and where I'm at. Right. I think a lot of that is based off of I'm, I have a good support structure of friends and people who I care about and supports. Oh my God. Yes. I'd love to tangent that into an actual did again. I played recently, but it's been a bit. Yeah. Um.
00:21:19
Speaker
But if I meet like, so like people at work, right? Yeah. I'm at this newer job. I don't give a shit. Um, I mean, I want my coworkers to not hate me because that would be an impediment to my job for someone's like, um, Dave's not my favorite guy. I'd be like, that's fine. I don't get like, I have these other people. Exactly. And I don't want it. Now, if I had the approval of nobody, yeah.
00:21:50
Speaker
I would definitely want to, you know, make some good impressions to be like, you got, you people want to be my people, right? Yeah. I think it's important to have like, um, cornerstones in your life where there are a few people whose opinions you do care about. Um, and maybe that's just yourself. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't think it's, I don't think there's an anti, like it's terrible to be your own cornerstone. No, definitely not.
00:22:16
Speaker
but I think it's also really common to have other people, right? Like, if everyone that I knew, like, gathered around, like, when I'm sleeping, they all gathered around the bed, and they're like, wake me up, and they're like, hey, you're a piece of garbage, I'd be like, okay.
00:22:33
Speaker
And that would you bother me somewhat and multiple levels for multiple reasons they they communicated Did they make a facebook group or did they all detect each other? Yeah but um Like I mean for me obviously like being in a long-term relationship. That was a big Oh, is that still going? Yeah. Yeah, what's going on? Just humble brag really um, no, but that um provided a lot of
00:22:59
Speaker
personality stability for me because, uh, I didn't have to worry. Well, one, I was just like, I'm not trying to impress anyone or change myself to be, you know, acceptable to someone who may be a potential partner, like in the future. So you don't have to worry about that at all. You're just like, Oh,
00:23:18
Speaker
Someone has accepted me for who I am. So I'm just gonna write this out Yeah, and it's just a little bit that of that standing check like hey, okay. Yeah, and that's literally all you need. Yeah, I think the approval and validation of people in my life for myself at some point bootstrap my own self-confidence and
00:23:41
Speaker
Now it's not like a static thing. It definitely wavers from time to time but at the end of the day like I feel Fine, right? Like and and I feel fine. Yeah. Good. That's the end of the world We don't have enough couple of
00:24:05
Speaker
No, i'm starting to do um The ultimate showdown. Ah, yeah, but in the style of that song. Yeah.
Nostalgia and Media Remakes
00:24:12
Speaker
Yeah Yeah, they're both kind of like anthemy sort of songs that you could just like they kind of just stick with you a bit Quick question. Yeah, how much of ultimate showdown do you remember? Because I always think i'm like I could probably do some of it. Uh-huh
00:24:28
Speaker
But then I start going through the words and I'm like, oh, that's most. And then it's like the end of the song. I'm like, oh, shit. I got to get like the rhythm first. I think I think I could get through a fair amount. Are you asking me to drop you a beat, Jake? No, I'm not. I'm not actually. Yeah. But I think I think I can remember a fair amount. There's like there's Abraham Lincoln, Optimus Prime. There you go. That's basically all you need. And Scruff McGruff took a bite out of crime. Yeah. And you end on
00:24:56
Speaker
Well, I want to say Robin Williams. That's not correct at all. Whoa. Yeah, that's completely different. Too soon. Yeah. Mr. Rogers. There you go.
00:25:07
Speaker
That's at the end. Yeah. Yeah. I always just remember like the middle bit as far as if I quick sort my memory to be like, oh, the lyrics for this song, it always jumps to robo robo cop, Terminator, Captain Kirk, Darth Vader, low pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S Preston and Theodore Logan Spock, the rock, Doc Ock and the whole Colgan. Yeah.
00:25:30
Speaker
But I'm saying like they're actually remaking or they're doing another Bill and Ted or something Yeah, which it's a little weird because like those guys are way older now, I guess It's weird to me that I'm at the generation or I'm at that age where I'm seeing things that I grew up with being remade Yeah, oh yeah in the past my parents were like what they're redoing that shit. I'm just like oh look at this cool new thing. Yeah, I
00:25:53
Speaker
That's the thing though, like they they remade Aladdin they did like the lion I heard Aladdin was actually decent I just yeah, I don't know anybody home close with you saw it. Mm-hmm. I just like offer something like oh it was good Yeah, like I would watch it, but it's not something that I have any compulsion to watch Yeah, and because I don't have a TV. It's not gonna just be on at any point, right? And I feel the same way about Lion King. Yeah
00:26:21
Speaker
Cause like Lion King is a, I'd say a good Disney movie that I hold in high regard. But if I saw another one, I wouldn't be like, they ruined it. I'm not that close to it. Yeah. Save that one for the kids.
00:26:36
Speaker
Yeah, and if they get to have something that they're happy with, awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to take that from them yet. Let life take care of that. Yeah. Have you been following anything on the whole black Ariel thing? The black what?
00:26:52
Speaker
Oh, oh ariel. Yeah. Yeah, they want to do redo little mermaid, but they want to cast a non-white person everyone's like I shouldn't say everyone yeah, the people who are racist and close-minded and Give more fuck than they should yeah, like oh no Yeah, I guess like without getting too into it. I guess like my initial response may be like oh
00:27:12
Speaker
is like a little bit weird like I don't get the without literally so opening this can of words which is an entire can of words right it's like because you you remember a certain way and it's it's absolutely fine to change it obviously there's
00:27:29
Speaker
I guess my question would kind of be like, what is their intent behind changing it? Like, is it, is it like a improvement of people's perception? Well, I think it's, you know, different groups are like, one, like it's a classic story. It's been a part of Disney history for however long everyone knows his little mermaid is. I think they just want to.
00:27:53
Speaker
Redo it for sake of redoing. It's redoing a lot of these things. Yeah, but also they want to make it more accessible Yeah, because a lot of Disney's fucking whitewashed of a yeah surprise So like even Aladdin's white at the end of the movie, you know, yeah
00:28:08
Speaker
I guess I guess that's actually kind of where I'm coming from because like Disney has not had the best history as far as diversity and like Like is this is this making up for that or is this pretending that it wasn't that I don't or like a future generation You're like Ariel now. She's black like we've got to like sweep white Ariel under the rug. I just think they're trying to she would drown I
00:28:36
Speaker
Yeah, which is why I keep my rugs moist I've made me into talking about your moist rugs Dave. I Don't know I feel like they're just trying something new mm-hmm
00:28:52
Speaker
I guess like you can't really know necessarily their intent there unless they've literally come out and been like, hey, this is the reason that, you know, is this for a play or is this like a new new movie? Was this a new movie? OK, for some reason, I thought it might have been like Broadway or something. I know that happens like a lot more there because, you know, you get whoever actors are good to play the role. But I don't know. I mean.
00:29:16
Speaker
Little mermaid was fine. It wasn't particularly my jam. So i'm not like attached. Oh, that wasn't your disney movie of choice growing up. Yeah to uh, so i'm not like massively attached to The existing perception of aerial anyways Um, what is your favorite disney movie? Oh jeez, uh, I'm probably just gonna
00:29:39
Speaker
How long of Disney and Pixar was that was up? I'm gonna cheat basically. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna pass out Pixar Was it Pixar and Disney or is it just Pixar? Because if it was both forget up and if it was not I may not have an answer it's like
00:29:56
Speaker
There were, there were some good Disney movies for sure, but I don't know if I could pick one that just had a larger impact than others for me. Cause they really just stole other people's stories and then made them movies and then just monopolize the IPs. Not that I perceived that as a child. I was going to say mines as far as straight Disney is Aladdin. What about gay Disney?
00:30:23
Speaker
No, it's a lot of Disney's probably gay. Yeah I've been down there once Aladdin was pretty good Yeah, I could see Aladdin. I like the songs. I Thought the animation was good for the story being told
00:30:40
Speaker
I didn't really think there was like a major fault in it. So if you like stories being told the never ending story. So I've actually never seen the never ending story. I also have not. Okay. I was just making a segue. It was the segue right off the cliff. I hope that wasn't like, Oh, I'll talk about the never ending story and Dave will take it from here. I'm like, I haven't even seen that shit. Yeah. It's one of those things that like,
00:31:08
Speaker
I feel that a lot of people had a specific childhood growing up.
Childhood Media Experiences
00:31:12
Speaker
Yeah. And I just was on my own fucking path. Apparently. Yeah. Cause so many people were like, Oh, Nickelodeon and spongebob and all these things. And, uh, late night Nick and Hey, Arnold, I'm just, I'm just naming Nickelodeon things. Yeah. Yeah. But I just missed a lot of it because I didn't have TV for a while. And then.
00:31:32
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I feel like I came in around Toonami. I just missed a lot of the stuff growing up. I didn't see Never Any Story. I did see Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal, which they're making a Netflix series of. I wonder how that's going to end up.
00:31:47
Speaker
hopefully better than the tactics game they're making. Yeah, I didn't have cable either growing up. So we watched whatever cartoons were on Saturday mornings. So like ABC, NBC, CBS. Those were all non-cable channels. You just got those broadcast. Did you get WB?
00:32:09
Speaker
So we had I think was WB on Fox For some of their kids shows. They had like the special partnership for like non cable channels, but I didn't have the official channel WB so a lot of shows that we watched were things like Things that would come on early in the morning or Saturday. So like
00:32:28
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Transformers I think was running for a while. That was cool And then ABC stuff probably stands out more than others things like recess. Oh, yeah Doug I remember when I watched those shows, but definitely did mm-hmm. I think I was rock Maybe not a show Schoolhouse Rock is still very classic in my eyes mm-hmm
00:32:51
Speaker
I'm just yeah, I was gonna say how it all becomes law. I think that's the go-to Schoolhouse rock but a lot of those jams were fucking catchy. Yeah, and then I actually I've forgotten what they are But I definitely at the time did learn things from that. Yeah, that was cool. I Watched a lot of PBS as well. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few channels. Come on in
00:33:15
Speaker
That's what I learned about the non-Newtonian fluid. I'm like, this has changed my life. There's that in Bill Nye the Science Guy.
00:33:24
Speaker
yeah yeah yeah just they're like what should we do for our intro i don't know let's shout his first name repeatedly until we get any ideas come on and bill come on come on in bill come in bill bill oh man that's freaking great i'm just a
00:33:48
Speaker
Ah, what else? PBS also had Arthur, which I saw a lot. And I mean, it's just meme food at this point, basically. Yeah. But I particularly like there is like an episode where he goes to like change his clothes. He gets like something on his clothes and like opens his closet. And it's just like row after row after row of all of his exact clothing, like just copies of his shirt and his pants, all of it. He just has the exact same outfit.
00:34:15
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And that's something that a kid would see and be like, that's where his clothes are. Yeah. But like any adult would be like, fucking what? And the enemy is like, he, he, he, he. Yeah. For continuity, obviously they were in the same clothes, but most shows don't address that, right? Yeah, but it's a very tongue in cheek.
00:34:32
Speaker
Mm-hmm, which is a move. I like to do But I do like a good a nice little like nod towards the the breaking the fourth wall. Mm-hmm It's something that if you do it too much like okay, it's hammy right balls gone. You can't be acknowledged. I appreciate Yeah, so you're taking yourself not too seriously. Yeah
00:34:53
Speaker
The other thing doesn't really count because it's not really cartoon, but Bob Ross was originally on PBS I think he still is I just don't watch TV So that's where I was introduced. Yeah, his soul is bound to PBS. Yeah, basically they have probably rights to him Yeah, I think that's largely the case. He had a very good working relationship with them
00:35:15
Speaker
Basically gave them content for free basically in exchange for increased publicity About his painting supplies, which is where he made his money So he donated a lot of paintings to PBS and they would auction them off and they're like telethons. Do you remember those are a thing?
00:35:33
Speaker
Oh my god, yes. Where they had like, hey, here's people at this call center. We have somebody with a mic. And then there's a number that we superimposed on the screen that you can call. I don't know if I ever called into a telethon. No, I don't think so. For you, I mean, I don't think you ever have. OK, thanks for remembering for me. That's good.
00:35:56
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No, I don't I don't believe I have either. Of course. I was a child largely when this was going on So they probably didn't want me to call it anyways I did like that it was live though Like you saw people actively taking calls in the background that could have been like fake open Wow, that's so cool. And then like use it as a selling point to be like, oh we have four lines open and you like gesture to the people waiting in the background and
00:36:20
Speaker
Like such a like a weird thing looking back. Yeah, cuz like right now if I want something mm-hmm I go online I search the thing more often than not will be through like Amazon or some other site where I can just Go and buy it. Yeah, I didn't have to be like oh
00:36:37
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Hey, i'll call in and give you my p.o box number and it'll be mailed in three weeks like yeah. Yeah mail order catalogs Were definitely a thing and they're less of the thing now still exists but less of the thing but like that to me was my early Getting drunk and shopping online type thing. Yeah, because I would just go through his magazine be like i'm gonna circle this thing. That's cool
00:37:01
Speaker
I'm gonna get that thing. Yeah. My parents were gonna be the ones who like, hey, you can only have like one. Yeah, but still like that was possibilities to me as a kid. Mm-hmm. Which for somebody at that age with very limited imagination blew my fucking mind. I'm starting to think of like these catalogs now. I don't know if this was just a West Coast thing or not, but did you ever get catalogs from Christian book distributors? Yep. You did? Okay. All right. So not just a West Coast thing.
00:37:30
Speaker
We got tons of I remember Feel like it was a catalog or my mom went to some Do you remember like a home shows? Like someone would come into your house. Oh, yeah Six of your neighbors be like I'm selling this and right people should sit through the spiel and get like a little magazine
00:37:49
Speaker
Bought a little tea candle set. Okay, which is just like it's like a little House that had two stories and it was snow theme that had elves and some shit. Yeah, but like I got to Talk I think it's honeydew. Okay candles Like the little tiny ass candles I put in there and I lit them like this smells great. Yeah
00:38:14
Speaker
And it'd be years later that I found out that it wasn't that straight. But that, to me, was something I got via catalog that I thought was
Nostalgia for Gaming and Media
00:38:23
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cool. For me, I remember they would have some games and other things like that going back to the CBD catalog. But the thing that I always wanted, because I was basically addicted to video games before I started playing video games,
00:38:38
Speaker
Was Saints of Virtue, which is a game I think I think I've talked about With you possibly at one is that one of those like FPS Bible games. Yes But it holds the distinction of to this day being one of the most frightening games I've ever played which is impressive given that it was a Christian game and Yeah, no, it's it was a doom clone is what it was So they just like reskin things
00:39:06
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yeah it was like they they had like it was 3d but like christian games traditionally do not keep up with modern tech trends spoilers hold up christians do not keep up with modern trends right yeah you can maybe generalize checkmate christians
00:39:23
Speaker
but um, but yeah, the graphics were like pretty basic and uh Your your projectile weapon was a sword you like held the sword out in front of you and like fire it would fire like orbs off the front But the enemies were these giant floating orbs with faces on them um, and like things like red eyes and one of them was like worldly wisdom
00:39:46
Speaker
It like was a spinning globe kind of behind it, but these guys could do like be behind a doom corners If you know anything about like classic doom, it's like right freakin there you turn around it's right in your face Yeah, and it's like oh, yeah, no, it'll open its mouth and attack you And you're like fuck. Yeah. Oh my gosh like my parents Honestly, if they watched me play that they probably wouldn't have let me play that Yeah, just because of like how jump-scary and frightening it was I couldn't play it at night dark levels all this nonsense ambushes me
00:40:16
Speaker
Mm-hmm Too much start to make you relive that yeah, but thank you for sharing. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for telling your story I think I actually still have the game because I I had this old CD case with all my CD games before CD ceased to exist now Did you have the tower or did you have the horizontal one that you put the fucking? CRT monitor that should not be you know put on top of something that light I uh, oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, I had a
00:40:46
Speaker
So early on we did have a horizontal PC. We kind of played around with that a bit. But eventually we did move to a tower, I think around Windows 95. No, I mean like we had a CD case that had like three columns, but it was fairly wide and we put the CRT monitor on top of that.
00:41:04
Speaker
Gotcha gotcha. Yeah. No the one the CD case the CD holder we had at the time would not support that it was like plastic and garbage II But I have just a just a black case with a bunch of sleeves essentially somewhere If I lost it, I honestly wouldn't be too upset. I'd be slightly upset. I'd lose Mechwarrior 3, which is the only one I care about classic title though
00:41:29
Speaker
all the army men pc games which we bought from walmart for 20 bucks it was like in a collection what was the sarge's uh sarge's heroes yeah that one did come that one came out for like uh for a playstation i think um but i don't remember if that ever came out for pc the pc ones were usually the isometric top down uh like shooters i played one of those it was army men one
00:41:53
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two army men three toys in space army men there's a there's a helicopter one that one came out for PlayStation and PC and Nintendo 64 PlayStation version was the best the PC version was completely different than the other two like different maps and everything well and then to the 64 one was garbage and
00:42:18
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wow weird so thank you for asking about army men lore anytime you open that can of worms i'm ready i was gonna say that uh triggered my memories i shouldn't say knowledge my memories of knowledge trigger
00:42:34
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Jewel cases. Oh, yeah for things. Oh, yeah, the sea burning the fuck out of CDs Yeah, cuz I'm like music cuz that's the only thing I knew how to like burn successfully without it being a garbage disc. Yeah and The towers of CDs there's like blank CDs and like I can I can probably spare five bucks Oh, yeah, it was like the the circular. Yeah, like peg I probably return for it
00:42:58
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But I played a lot lot lot of worms. Oh, yeah I got good at that shit like me playing worms is what propelled me later Still very young me into playing a fuckton of a gunbound. Mm-hmm cuz still like the same idea where you like Have units on a map. It's like tanks. Yeah more involved and you take turns and you gotta interact with other things like wind and
00:43:23
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Yeah. My God. Yeah, they released them. So like I played the old DOS game, which I think Worms, I'd have to look up on Wikipedia, the source of all of my knowledge, whether this is true or not. But I believe Worms was derived from the game that I had played on DOS, which was Scorched Earth. It was called Scorched Earth subtitle, the mother of all games. And it was tanks on hills firing at each other with wind and trajectory and special items and things like that.
00:43:52
Speaker
Yeah, I think that was like the original game that then like there's like flash versions of that. Yeah. But I think for me worms.
00:44:04
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I'd say either Armageddon or World Party was my true heyday. Yeah where in like the later stages of the game you'd have like two guys on your team and you give them like a finished accent for their voices or Afrikaans because Who the fuck knew what that was? And then you'd be up against like 16 other dudes. Yeah
00:44:28
Speaker
And, uh, it was rough because I usually have to like borrow people underground, call in airstrikes, do super sheep. Yeah. Or.
00:44:38
Speaker
try and find like multi-kill moves like I'll hit this guy with a baseball bat into that mine next to the napalm and that should propel him over here but then his dead body because when they died they kind of like self-destructed and did like area damage and it was always 30 on the dot regardless of how close it was and it would deal some damage to the map but you could like chain that into other stuff yeah
00:45:05
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So I wasn't the best at it, but I got uncomfortably good. That was my little niche and that's my tangent. No, it was, it was a much more basic back in, um, in scorched earth because it was a, uh, it was a DOS game. So they couldn't update physics like at the same time they do one or the other. So you use like a, um, a earth hog or something like that with the name of an item that would.
00:45:32
Speaker
If you launched it at the proper angle to burrow it into the ground, it was essentially kind of like a bunker buster, but then it played essentially sort of a game of Snake snake. Yes. Thank you. I don't know why I was like, what are the games be popular around this time?
00:45:48
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time yeah it was a game of snake uh underneath the mountain just eating out like a bunch of dirt and then nothing falls until it's done at the end of the turn and then it's like then the dirt falls and then the tank will fall and if it doesn't have like a parachute it'll explode when it hits the ground um and yeah there was just all of this like nuance and crazy stuff but it took so long to play out turns like god forbid someone fires a nuke and
00:46:13
Speaker
Because every time that the nuke expands, it'll go out like a centimeter and destroy the ground. Stakeful check. And then once it's completely done with the explosion, then things fall. So it was a DOS game. Did you play a lot on DOS?
00:46:32
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I played a fair amount because my grandparents had a DOS computer Highlight basically growing up in that situation was at one point it was moved out to an unheated Garage there was kind of just a aluminum shed more more or less and it was a very cold like wintery morning like see your breath cold and
00:46:53
Speaker
I would go outside into the garage and just stand there and play DOS games Like until I got too cold and literally had to go back inside So what'd you play on DOS? What was your highlight? So Scorched earth was the big one Also a lot of commander keen Was the other one? I'd like to get an audible high-five. There you go. Not leaning in the mic
00:47:19
Speaker
That was shit but I'm sitting down. That's alright. Commander Keen though. We'll amplify it. Base boost on the high five later. That game was hard as shit. Oh yes. Like I'm swimming and then the fish is there and I'm like...
00:47:31
Speaker
No. It's like a goop-o-fish or something like that is silly. They actually had like a callback for it in one of their later games. But Commander Keen was one of the, that was shareware back when that was a distribution model. The idea was like, hey, we'll send you the actual content for the game, like a few levels at least, and basically like a demo. And then should you want to purchase this game,
00:47:59
Speaker
mail us money and we will send you a physical copy and I mean it worked for him yeah I think I mean like I don't know what it's doing now but probably things I assume I mean
The Legacy of Descent and Interplay
00:48:14
Speaker
Spoilers that IP kind of fell off. Yeah But I hope it's in a good place now, yeah, they're doing doing something Yeah, just like even if they're not prominent in the industry, you know I really hope that they're they're behind the scenes somewhere maybe working for like a company like Bethesda or somebody else It's really just chugging along at the forefront. Oh Yeah Did you ever played descent oh my gosh, yeah, you know, I played the same days I
00:48:42
Speaker
They don't know. Oh, right, right. There are times that I try. Yeah. Descent. Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, yeah. Love that game. I know we talked a little bit about an overload when that came out, which was like the I like to use the term because it sounds cool. Spiritual successor to dissent, aka it didn't have shit graphics. But.
00:49:06
Speaker
Have so many good memories with this. This is one of the few games. I played with my dad But like we'd have to like boot up. He's fine by the way. It's not like I Know like a tragic backstory. I mentally thought about that. I was like your dad's little life. Yeah, he's fine I'll probably see him at Thanksgiving. Yeah But like we'd boot up DOS and we get into set and it had that very iconic Limited sound set but it's like you're on a space mining station like it's going down
00:49:34
Speaker
And it was really cool, like you spawn in, you could fucking fly around anywhere and change your perspective. Eight degrees of freedom, yeah. Seriously. It was crazy. And then the bots would spawn and some of them were like, eh, you can just kill them. They're minding their own business, but there are other ones that were like terrifying. Right. And shredders and things like that run at your ship and attack it.
00:49:58
Speaker
Yeah. Or like there'd be a spawner behind you. You wouldn't fucking know. And there's like some guy just like scratching the ass of your ship and you see like your shields go down. You're like, what's happening? Um, you'd have to like sprint it out of there and you probably slam into a walls. You were boosting away. It just had so many cool things. And I don't think we ever beat the final boss without cheating.
00:50:23
Speaker
But that game still like that It unsettles me. Yeah, because it has a lot of low light. It's very atmospheric. Yeah, like things would Spawn and I come to fuck your shit up. Yeah, and then the final boss teddy Was literally like teleport to where you were and started like shooting at you with these plasma guns It so it sounds like descent is actually the precursor to five nights at Freddy's based off the name of the final boss There's a chance
00:50:49
Speaker
I never thought about that, but you could be right. Final boss to Descent, Freddy Fazbear. Descent was great, and I like that they take the atmosphere. You're talking about the atmosphere. That's just because they just didn't have that many graphical assets, so they're like, oh yeah, we'll just tone it down, or we can't display that much in the environment. Okay, well, now you're in a facility, this complex, where we have to render almost nothing.
00:51:16
Speaker
You can't leave because your objective is to get to the center. It's like They took all of their limitations. They just turned it into atmosphere. Yeah, but one of the coolest things was For each level you had to go destroy the reactor. I Don't remember why no you were I believe a prisoner of Whichever my incorporation like you need to go blow this shit up. Yeah, if you don't we'll kill you
00:51:39
Speaker
Oh, that's right. Yeah. Um, standard, standard, the name of the groove. Yeah. But once you shot the reactor, you had to, you had like 10 seconds to go fucking book it. Yeah. It's going to start with the U by the way. It wasn't a lot. Uh, I do know that like, cause each level you had to destroy the reactor, right?
00:51:59
Speaker
Yeah. But like you had a fixed amount of time to go find the escape, but they're like, Hey, how are we going to let them know that, uh, the whole thing is shutting down? Uh, let's give them like 80% screen shake. Yeah. So like you're boosting, trying to get out to this exit without, you know, having robots getting away like, Hey, are you leaving? And you're like, guys, you start spamming missiles and bullets to just book it out.
00:52:24
Speaker
Yeah, no, it was crazy. And the first time you did that, you also didn't know it was going to be timed as everything was exploding around you. I'm going to do a rare thing and correct myself. And it was actually six degrees of freedom. I read at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. Oh, Jake. Post Terran Mining Corporation is the PDMC.
00:52:45
Speaker
Yeah. Their best material defender mercenary. Oh man. And then there was, there were several, uh, sequels to descent as well. Yeah. They had, uh, through descent three 2019. Pardon. Descent underground. What the fuck? Huh. Okay. So I'm actually interested in following up on this later, because like I said, overload came out like a year or two ago and it's.
00:53:16
Speaker
It is descent with good graphics and like good lighting and stuff. And it still captures a lot of that vibe. And it's really fun, which is why I played it for like three hours and then got distracted. Um, but I'm curious if they do make an actual sequel to it, where that would fit in this space because descent three was.
00:53:35
Speaker
weird because like your character had voice lines. It's weird. It's like, um, if link started going like, what's up? Wait a minute. I'm a protagonist. Not so silent. Are you? Could you bring up like the descent level one music or like the, the mission intro music? Uh, I can try. I'm just going to use buy time.
00:54:05
Speaker
Using my powers of time, um, it is now six minutes later. Um, Chronomancy. It's still like a good soundtrack. I would just say, look it up or look up the game. I assume it's on like steam for two 50 or something.
00:54:21
Speaker
I don't know if they ever got like a retro release. I don't think because they definitely had a release on steam because I Installed steam for my dad. I'm like, here's this game. Here's how you access this game. I need you to left-click here and I guess I wouldn't see it because it wouldn't have been like Published or like very popular, right? Yeah, I imagine but occasionally like they will put really fucking old games out there It's totally on steam. It's just called descend dollars. Oh, yeah by interplay. Yeah
00:54:53
Speaker
Yeah, they went on to become like a volition or whatever I think eventually what else have they done a lot of different things and Yeah None of these look to me. Oh, yeah free space. Oh my god. Yeah, I forgot about that, huh?
00:55:10
Speaker
Oh, they've done some things. Oh, Shog- wait, I see this. Shogo mobile armor division. By the way, I guess I got into Shogo mobile armor division. Which deserves its own fucking episode, in my opinion. Right. But there might still be clips of me playing that on Twitch. Because it's one of the few games I've done a full playthrough of. But it's just... It's hokey and entertaining as fuck. It's pretty hilarious, actually.
00:55:39
Speaker
But yeah, I, uh, I think I followed a lot of other stuff because like, it's one of the few game people I knew at the time. Yeah. Just off of like, I had the CD-ROM and then I saw like, Hey, look for other titles. I'm like, okay, cool. And that's when I started playing some free space. Yeah. No, this is, uh, they were one of those OG developers, really battle chess. Take that dota.
00:56:03
Speaker
Before there was auto chess, there was battle chess. Redneck, Rampage are not as popular, I believe, but still, they made games.
00:56:14
Speaker
man i i kind of wish i had like a picture of just all the fucking cd roms that we had of like various software do you remember this fucking cd of like hey do you want some like clipart here's the cd with 10 000 cliparts and i'm like my platform presentation is gonna be dope
Recent Gaming Experiences and Reflections
00:56:34
Speaker
Oh my gosh, clipart is the best. I think there's probably never been a better time to put clipart in your PowerPoint presentations than today in 2019. That's pretty freaking great. I like how we had topics and this became this, um, this deep dive into childhood. Yeah. I mean, and the, the dive didn't really even start until relatively recently in the podcast. I just went from topic to topic conversationally.
00:57:04
Speaker
Well, we're really good at this. Yeah. Can we get another high five? Whoa. Clap sound. And it's just me clapping. Dave, you're not supposed to call that out. Shit. I'm really bad at that. I refuse to touch you, Dave. And other jokes. Um, but yeah. We did have originally topics. We covered most of our other things, incidentally.
00:57:33
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Oh, we'll get to him. We're not going anywhere. Nah, that's fine. I was going to talk about the games I've played recently and like things.
00:57:43
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So I'm going to do that in the last, uh, minute. So, um, so I did want to, uh, give a shout out to Ian for something I was playing last night, which is really weird. Yeah. You said you saw me playing it last night as well. Uh, Shenzen IO, what is that? No knowledge. It is literally programming in assembly.
00:58:06
Speaker
It's not literally assembly, it's its own language, but it is assembly and circuit board programming and nonsense. It's not really a game. It's a game in that they're like, hey, make a device that has a signal and it repeats at this rate and then the output goes here, whatever.
00:58:24
Speaker
But it is basically just programming. And I don't know how to feel about the fact that I got it. I was like, do you feel, well, I mean, like, I'll probably put some time into it. I think it's probably going to be interesting. But I came home at the end of the day. I was like, Oh, got a game on steam, you know, awesome. I'll install it, check it out, launch it up. And it's just like, all right, now first need to read the PDF manual on how to program in this game.
00:58:50
Speaker
Alright get back to work. I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna play some Starcraft, but I I do appreciate the gift And I will probably put some time into it and figure out how it how it works I did complete the first puzzle. It's more of a puzzle game really. Yeah and I think it has a lot of potential but
00:59:09
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It's very much different than many games conventionally would be. There's reviews on it where it's like, I program at work and then I come home and I program for this game.
00:59:24
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Yeah, I was gonna say Something that I want to talk on more on an actual episode. Mm-hmm, but I've been playing recently Years later after I should have you know, even years after came out is deus ex. Oh, yeah. Yeah
00:59:39
Speaker
That was the original a while But I mean you Gave it a swing like a couple years back didn't you and I tried it for two minutes and like this is hot shit Mm-hmm, but for whatever reason this time around it just it's hitting the nice little niche spot for me Yeah, where I really appreciate the
01:00:03
Speaker
The weird things about like I take the jank for what it is. Yeah. But I appreciate like, Oh, they give you options for how you want to approach things. Yeah. Or just other little minor things that like for at that point in time, we're not really a thing yet. Yeah. But again, don't get into it now. Because we're going to obviously have an episode about the original days. Yes. Yeah. Eventually once I finish it.
01:00:27
Speaker
Yeah. All right. Then I won't, I won't do a deep five that deep five deep dive there. Um, I haven't been on VR in a while too. No, I, I think it did like one thing at the land party. It was good. It was really cool. We should have a VR episode.
01:00:42
Speaker
And then I was like, this is all the hundreds of dollars. I'm not going to get one of these. Yeah. But someday when the future is ready, then I will jump on the VR train. I think that other than that, it's just news, which I'm not going to get into because they will kill me. Yeah, I'd rather address some of the stuff we are not like trying to like rush it. Oh, I wasn't going to rush it. I was going to go for like two hours.
01:01:09
Speaker
We should end the podcast. So that being said, thank you guys for listening to another episode of Soapstone. As always, you can send your feedback in at soapstonepodcast.gmail.com or reach out to us on Facebook at facebook.com slash soapstonepodcast.
01:01:26
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We always are glad to hear from you guys, and we appreciate the discussion, whether that be in person as you bring up concepts and criticisms of the podcast or online, where you can make fun of us in front of all of our peers. I wouldn't say they're peers. We're so much lower than them, yes. All right, that all being said, until next time, we'll see you in the next one. Have a good night, Stevie.
01:02:17
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Thank you
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Oh.