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Episode 40: Two Bays, Dealing with Race Cancellations, TROY
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Welcome to Episode 40 of Peak Pursuits, your ultimate podcast for everything trail running in Australia. This week’s episode is hosted by Sim Brick, Jess Jason, and Brodie Nankervis. Listen in as Jess recaps her 2nd place at Two Bays 28km, Sim runs a 400m PB, and Brodie takes us through where his rehab is at and how it affects his planning for the year.
The team then give some of their thoughts on how to deal with race cancellations in the wake of Two Bays being cancelled mid-race on the weekend.
Two Bays Results:https://tomatotiming.racetecresults.com/results.aspx?CId=16&RId=29748
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Transcript
Introduction and Two Bays Trail Run Recap
00:00:07
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode 40 of the Peak Pursuits Podcast. My name is Simone Brick and I am joined with all of us in Melbourne, but not in person. Couldn't quite make that happen. I'm joined by Jess Jason. How are we doing Jess?
00:00:25
Speaker
Hey guys, going well, feeling a little bit sore from my race yesterday, but overall pretty happy to be in morning the Mornington Peninsula. Just a casual second place at Two Bays Trail Run. Yeah. have And Brody, Brody Mankervis. How we doing, Brods?
00:00:42
Speaker
Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Also sore, but not because I've been running a trail race, unfortunately, just from doing a lot of riding. Absolute cyclist you are at this point. um Yeah, i got I've even got the tan line to match now. So it's fully, fully committed. The downfall of riding outside a lot in summer is it's just unavoidable. That is true. That is
Race Strategy and Overcoming Challenges
00:01:07
Speaker
very true. But I'm very keen to hear how you went in the gym this week with Lockie at what's supposed Nah, Jess, we're starting with you. You had a race this week. We're going to go through a bit of an update of where we're at. We're going to hear from Brody about his year since the three, myself, Jess and Vlad got to chat through that last week. And then we've got a few topics of discussion we're going to go through, including just touching on the trial runner of the year announcements from Run Free Trail. But to get us started.
00:01:38
Speaker
We had our very own Jess Jason at Two Base Trail Run. I got to see you come across the line, not at all far behind Kate in second place. How was it Jess? Yeah, it was fun. um yeah I was super so excited to race this one because it was my first ever trail race two years ago. um and I loved it so much that I fully committed to the trails after that, so um definitely a special race for me. I woke up on the Sunday morning and
00:02:11
Speaker
It was quite muggy, like it wasn't super hot. I thought it was going to be a cooler day because that's sort of what the forecast said. But I didn't check the humidity and sort of did my warm-up in a long sleeve and then I was like getting really sweaty already and I was like oh it's going to be hot. um And yeah it was super like sweaty just like humid conditions which I haven't run in for a while because light living in Canberra it's super dry. um So that was a bit of a challenge but um yeah like overall my time was pretty slow compared to the first time I did it which was a little bit disheartening but I think everyone was
00:02:53
Speaker
a bit slower than their usual time. So, yeah relatively, it's not too bad. um Yeah, the actual race. So, Kate and Anna went out, like, bloody hot potatoes. just I felt like I was 20 to 30 metres behind after the first few hundred metres. I was like, okay. But I usually like start out pretty conservatively and then build into it. It's usually my race style. so I wasn't too stressed about it. I was just going off seal. I'm pretty familiar with that first climb. It's sort of
00:03:28
Speaker
is like a gradual uphill and then there's a bit of a pinch up a steep street and then you get to like the trail and then you're up some sort of like big steps so I knew that like I had to be pretty conservative so the legs didn't um get too banged up in the first couple of Ks.
Reflections and Skill Improvements
00:03:46
Speaker
And I was sort of watching Kate and Anna in the distance and Kate was like off flying and then I saw Anna was kind of like coming back to me a bit um So then I overtook her at about 2k going upstairs and then when I got to the top ah of Arthur's seat I was still feeling pretty good so I just like
00:04:09
Speaker
ran pretty sort of flowy um down that little like single track through the forest, which is probably my favourite bit of the race. um And then down that super steep hill, which I remember the first time I did it, I absolutely hated it. But I reckon I've gotten so much better at downhills because I was like overtaking all the guys on that bit and I was like, oh yeah. There's nothing like that feeling on a downhill.
00:04:35
Speaker
yeah um And yeah, I was sort of like doing and throwing with a couple of guys until like three quarters of the race, which is kind of fun. Like it keeps you sort of pushing the pace a bit.
00:04:49
Speaker
um And then yeah from about 13K, I was pretty much on my own. um like I couldn't see anyone in front or behind, so I didn't really know like how far away I was from either Kate or Anna. um As I went through the aid stations, some of the people were like, oh, she's two minutes ahead, or like she's 30 seconds ahead, so I didn't really know what it was. But I was sort of I wasn't really thinking about catching Kate, to be honest. like yeah yeah um I don't know. I just think Kate is like in a league of her own. so
00:05:25
Speaker
and yeah i didn't think I was just like going by feel. I just kind of wanted to enjoy the race. like This wasn't a hugely key race for me. like I just came off a break. and I was mainly doing it for enjoyment, so um but obviously like still trying my best.
00:05:44
Speaker
um
00:05:47
Speaker
yeah I actually felt really good. like I got to the last aid station and I remember getting there the first time I did it and I was absolutely cooked and I was like really worried about the last 5Ks of the race, but this time I was like, wow, I actually feel really good. and i was like ah I can like push it here and then I started to like try to wind it off a bit um but then it is like it's quite um like you can't really get into much of a rhythm because there's like stairs and then there's turns and then there's sand and
00:06:19
Speaker
um I had a little bit of a trip on like a tree root, which kind of like um yeah it'd like made me leave my rhythm a little bit. um But overall, like so much stronger than the first time I did it. like I remember my legs were like giving way in the last few Ks, and this time I just felt super strong. It was mainly aerobically challenging because of the humidity. and I think that's what sort of slowed me down.
00:06:43
Speaker
um because i felt Yeah, like legs are super fine at the end, um which was awesome, like super positive. Got down, I reckon I got down like 80 grams of carbs an hour, which is pretty good. Yeah. um And then later humidity that's harder. Yeah. And a liter of um water and 70 grams of caffeine, which is in one of the gels. So yeah yeah Overall, I'm pretty happy with it. like Given I just came up for break, I haven't really done like some super long runs. like ah yeah I don't think like my training really disadvantaged me at all. but
00:07:27
Speaker
Like i don't I don't have like the huge aerobic strength that I usually would after like a big block of um training. So yeah. Yeah. Pretty happy with it. For a spot to start the year, it's pretty damn cool. And as you said, like all the differences from the last time you did it to this time, like, yes, you ran faster last time, but it was off a very different build and approach in. And to that um that feeling at the end of getting there and going, my legs are actually okay. That's like the two years of work you've put in to trail.
00:07:56
Speaker
yeah Yeah, it was cool to notice that difference. like I just felt so strong and like just noticing how confident I am on like the downhills now. It yeah it was really cool. Yeah, it's cool. And it's a nice way to start the 2025 year as well, like starting with a second place with a strong performance like in a strong field as well and being like so close to Kate, who we know had a really good tail end of last year and just ahead of Anna as well, who's who's been running really well. Like it's, yeah, I think that's a really good place to kickstart the year.
00:08:28
Speaker
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I'm really happy. Awesome. um I reckon just because we're on the Two Bays chat and we've just said some of the results, it's the only results we've got
Race Outcomes and Unique Stories
00:08:36
Speaker
for this week. So I'm just going to quickly stay on Two Bays for two seconds and we will go through it. So to for the actual results on Jess's race on the women's side of the 28,
00:08:47
Speaker
It was won by the lovely Kate Avery. And I have been given permission to say that it was won by two people because the lovely Kate is carrying a little bub um about 17 weeks along. So absolute powerhouse of a woman she is. We calculated today that that that kid has already won five races. um By the time you count roller coaster, four peaks,
00:09:15
Speaker
now two bays and UTK 50K. There's a little bit of context on some of the results we've been giving of recent, but I'm just, i I knew this context when Kate was coming into the finish and I could, because it's going to be her last race, well, serious race for a little while. I could not have been happier for her. And obviously Jess, you knew that context as well going in and it's just so inspiring to me. ah It's so cool. like just It's totally changing the way we think about like women in pregnancy, I reckon, because um yeah I mentioned it to Hayden's mum because I'm staying with her at the moment and she was just totally shocked because like I feel like older generations would just be like, no, you can't even exercise when you're pregnant. But to show that she can still absolutely smash it, it's just amazing. yeah yeah and it was It was coming down to the heat if it had been too hot. Obviously, she like she couldn't have, but
00:10:11
Speaker
Thankfully it was humid but not too crazy hot. And she got there. So um might be, and the announcement will be out on her ah on her socials. Go give her a follow if you don't by the way guys, um before this podcast comes out. So um that will be there. And then in Jess was in second place, not far behind. So Kate was 208.45, Jess 209.46 and Anna McKenna in third into 11.27. Anna was not,
00:10:40
Speaker
very well for the day, unfortunately. She was, I was helping her at the finish line as a medic. So um yeah, bit of a rough day for Anna, just, but the, she's training for which 100K she do and Tarawera, um which will be exciting to see. So she's getting all ready for that one.
00:11:00
Speaker
And on the men's side, we had Jess Dunsmore win in an hour 45-51. Peter Dutton, he had a big lead because Peter Dutton was in second in an hour 51-26. And then Michael Kernahan, who is forever on the podium of this race. I'm not sure I've ever seen him run a not podium, ah is one hour 51-53 for third.
Weather Impact and Race Cancellations
00:11:22
Speaker
Uh, and we're going to touch on this a little bit again later, which is why I'm also bringing it up a little bit now in that the 56 K run, there was only three finishes or four finishes from, um, what I saw at the finish line. And that is because the race was canceled due to lightning, a lightning storm that came through. Um, so there was on the men's side one by they had three male finishes. So there was recent woods in first in four oh two oh four.
00:11:52
Speaker
And then Tom Dade in four hours 30 and Josh Goating in four hours 35. So Reese ran away with that one. And you guys will love this. I was chatting to him on the finish line. The course record for this is four hours and 30 seconds. And people have tried and failed to go under four hours and Reese was blistering pace for the first half. And then he kind of jogs across the line and I'm like, how was the run? And he's going, yeah, it was just a long run. I pushed myself for the first half and cruised at home.
00:12:21
Speaker
And I was like, man, like, do you have any idea how close you were to the course record? And he's like, no, what's the course record? So that didn't go down. But yeah, interesting race, very cool as usual to be at TwoBays, but we will touch a bit on more on race cancellations and some of our thoughts.
00:12:38
Speaker
around how to deal with that in a little bit um but moving back to unless either of you had anything else for twobase it's cool to see reese edwards return to the trial though yeah ah's exciting
00:13:00
Speaker
Instagram that he said he was doing a long race of some kind in later in the year. I don't know what that meant. So do you know what that is? I was hoping it's UTA Mylar, but don't know. Oh, okay. He said a very, it sounded like a very long way, but a very long way for a roadrunner could be anything from 50 to a hundred miles. Yeah. I have a feeling he's been doing some pretty wild things.
00:13:21
Speaker
Okay, so maybe Myler. That could be interesting. that that That's definitely a long way. um But yes, we could be- I could see him David Roaching a hundred Myler and just like running really, really, really fast out of the gates and seeing how he goes. Yeah. Or maybe it was like a five and a half hour run. I can't remember. Oh no, it was a 45K. So he's been running long ways. He's been doing, and then 56 obviously this time around. So,
00:13:49
Speaker
Who knows what the hell is building to that will be a surprise. 10K every Sunday and he'll get to a hundred mile by UTA. Pretty much. ah There is a hot take that is not a hot take at all. If he does though, you heard it here first.
00:14:06
Speaker
Oh goodness. But yeah, it was, um
Recovery and Future Goals
00:14:09
Speaker
it was very cool to see. Now we're Brody. Let's go to you. How was your week of cycling? But more importantly, I actually want to know,
00:14:18
Speaker
Because you had your um meeting with physio, Locky, to get test your Achilles to see when you can get back running. How did that go? Yeah, so we did some testing back in December to have a look at some like metrics around strengths and what it was mostly strengths at that point. um And now for about four weeks after that, I think it was when I did The assessment was sort of touching base with where the strength was at um and also just seeing like what what else I could do with my Achilles. So also like a more reactive strength with some hopping and some jumping and and that sort of stuff. um So yeah, it's definitely improving. it's so It's so hard when I'm like in the moment because I'm still like.
00:15:01
Speaker
It changes pretty slowly, so you don't really notice it, but it has changed a bit in four weeks. um And definitely what I'm doing in the gym has evolved quite a lot, and I can do a lot more. um So, yeah, it went pretty well. We had a look at some hopping, which I hadn't really done much hopping over the last sort of year because I've been too scared to, and it's probably been because it's likely to be painful. And it's like mostly non-payful, but I'm just not i'm not that powerful through my hops, or mostly just a bit uncoordinated. so Still got a little bit of work to do and given that I'm not in any specific rush ah like I don't really need to run this week we're just giving it another week because I do want to run next week so we thought like if we can and we don't need to run this week then we can we can take another week so
00:15:50
Speaker
Yeah, I'm still not running. So I've been on the bike doing a lot and I did like three weeks of three, four weeks of more volume on the bike where I was sort of working on trying to get my heart rate up without my legs feeling like they're going to fall off. And and sort of after three or four weeks, I feel like I got to the point where I could ride pretty well and get a good aerobic stimulus. um So on Saturday I went out and did some intervals with my friend Aston who used to run with me as well but he's unfortunately got a bit of an injury so he's he's been riding pretty seriously for like a year and a half. is ah He's very good at riding so that was um a bit of fun ah trying to keep up with him doing some of his session. um So I did my first sort of like
00:16:35
Speaker
session on the bike or or what a session would look like. it's It's interesting because I still was out for five hours and did some intensity within that. I just didn't need to do five hours and it was like 35 degrees. So I was pretty cooked after it, but it was pretty fun and I really enjoyed it. It was like, it was nice to be able to push myself and actually get my heart rate up into my sort of normal threshold or like top end of my threshold heart rate zone like it was hot. So that was probably pushing it up. um But yeah, it definitely felt like I could work a bit more than when I first started writing. So yeah, I've really been enjoying it. Maybe I'll be a cyclist. Maybe I'll have to quit the podcast if I just become a cyclist. No, you'll be fine. Five hour ride with intensity and there is going to have you aerobically fit as a fiddle by the time you're back running. You just then got to still take it slow on the way back because you'll be fitter than your body is conditioned.
00:17:32
Speaker
I think so. I think running will feel weird. I'm hoping that if the running doesn't feel too weird ah and it hasn't like it's been, it's been six weeks, I think since I ran. So I walked, which is similar, I guess. but i I think um I don't think I'll completely lose that feeling. When I came back from my stress fracture, I didn't notice it too much, although I did start very gradually back from that.
00:17:57
Speaker
um But I'm hoping that my sort of the aerobic work that I've done on the bike and add that to the strength work that I've been doing that's been pretty running focus that it's not too much of a transition back and and I can actually but like get back to running comfortably, not too slowly. um It'll probably again be mostly limited. It's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be limited by what's appropriate for my Achilles. So I feel like by the time
00:18:31
Speaker
I can do a normal training load. i would ah Running will feel fairly normal. so Yeah, I get you. I get yeah yeah i'm ah ah did ah the most hours of cycling last week though. I did like 16 and a half hours and I did 230K rides. so yeah i feel like i I feel like I'm um fit and I've been getting some good heat training gains. so going out in 35. So yeah, no, it's uh, I'm actually not, I'm not stressed. Like I'm very comfortable with not having run for six weeks. Um, yeah the only mild stressor I have is, uh, this upcoming trip to New Zealand, which I leave on Saturday. And then the weekend after that is the Oceana championships for orienteering, which is a selection race for world chance for orienteering, which was one of my goals for this year. And
00:19:22
Speaker
I've already booked flights and I can't really get out of them and I'm already going to be there and the orienteering in the past has been okay. So I'm giving lots of reasons why I should be able to run. Um, so I'm going to see how it goes. Yeah. So there's two races that are essentially as actually four races, but I'm going to skip the first one. And then the second and third race of the two that I would probably look at doing the first one's a middle distance, which is like 35 minutes of running.
00:19:47
Speaker
Um, so not, not much. Um, and if I can't run again, then, then that's what it'll be. Or I'll run the following day, which will be an hour and a half of running. Um, so yeah, we'll see. It's, it's a bit different cause it's, uh, the peak force that you're pushing out is a little bit less. You're trying to navigate the terrain doesn't allow you to push out as much as well. Um,
00:20:13
Speaker
So like we'll probably be running not much faster than five minute K's. The effort will be high, but the speed and the impact and the, um, and the actual force going through the Achilles will be a little bit lower. So I'm hoping in that regard it's okay. But yeah, next week I go to New Zealand on Saturday and then I'll spend the week before the races doing a couple of runs in the forest and seeing what it feels like.
00:20:39
Speaker
and make the final decision, whether I'm going to do it or not. And then, yeah, when I get back, then it'll just be straight back to whatever's best for the Achilles. So we're doing a little hiatus from what's best for the Achilles. A hiatus from the smart Brody, dumb Brody's coming out and then smart Brody will come back to Australian. This is, I have permission. I have permission. It's okay. I've been very good for six weeks. So, and and that's part of the reason why I like, I, at any point now, I probably could start running, but me and Locky have talked that like,
00:21:08
Speaker
Am I going to gain anything from pushing it too early? No, not, not much. And am I going to lose? Do I have the potential to lose a lot? Yes. So we're just like, if I'm comfortable, I'm getting a lot of gains. I feel like I'm getting a lot of gain out of cycling for both now and future me. Um, and I'm getting some really good strength work in, um,
00:21:30
Speaker
If I come back from New Zealand and I'm not running for another four weeks, I'm not going to be too concerned about it. So it's, um for me, it's like a little hiatus, but, and it might put me back a week. I don't, it's one of those things that I don't think it's going to put me back four weeks. So I think it's okay, but I'll be judging that on the ground when I'm over there as well. So we'll see.
00:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, OK. That makes sense. And um so obviously your start to the year has looked very different and it's very hard to make plans from the position you're in. I know because I've been there plenty of times. But in an ideal world, what does your year look like? Yeah, I think that's the main thing for me, like I'm always wanting to put something in. And when I've come back from other injuries, I'm always gone. I want to put something in um and I've sort of forced myself to plan to do something.
00:22:19
Speaker
Whereas this time, I think if anything, this race in New Zealand is the only small stressor that I have at the moment. And without having that race there, I would be very comfortable with continuing in my rehab journey. So for me, I don't really want to plan anything.
00:22:36
Speaker
Unfortunately, it does become tricky with, as we know and everyone knows, you have to get a race entry. You have to book flights. You have to book accommodation. Your sponsors might want to know what races you're doing. like ah There's lots of other factors that do mean I need to at least think about what I might do.
00:22:55
Speaker
um which is, yeah, it's unfortunate, but it's reality. And I think that's the same with anyone. Like, you even if we're not talking like a sponsored athlete, people still like even more so probably because it's harder to get into races. You have to book your race maybe a year ahead. So yeah, I can definitely um understand that it's an issue for everyone. um That all being said, I will Yeah, like my other big, my big, two of my big goals of this year is to go to the orienteering world champs in July in Finland and and go to the world trail champs in, in Spain in late September, because I think the two match up quite nicely in terms of I have enough time afterwards in the forest orienteering. I can still do a lot of my, I can train for trail pretty much all year, maybe the month before I'm a little bit more focused on orienteering. So, um,
00:23:45
Speaker
I feel like those two goals match up nicely. So they're the two things that I'm looking towards. And I would hope that I would do some sort of race before, um, trail world champs, but I'm not sure I will get in another race before the selection period closes. So I'm just going to have to hang off my results from what I was able to do at the end of last year. Um, and then yeah, I might like, I'd love to say I'll do something at UTA, but again, I don't, I don't even want to put anything on my,
00:24:15
Speaker
radar star per se too much. um I'm feeling very comfortable with just having the July World Champs orienteering and September Trail World Champs goals in my mind is what I'm working towards. And if I don't race again before, then obviously I have to do a couple of orienteering races to get into that orienteering team. Unfortunately, Trail, I'm not going to have that that opportunity. I'm just going to have to hope that what I've done is enough.
00:24:38
Speaker
um If I don't do any races apart from that, I'm not too concerned, but again, I would like to get one in. So yeah, we'll see. we'll see I might, I've given you, I've dodged the answer, but um I've dodged what races I'm going to do. I like this. You're passing the test with flying colors. I was a test. I know.
00:24:59
Speaker
hey you ah You're not over-committing and saying all these things that you, they're then possibly going to be disappointed with. So you're being very smart right now. I like it.
00:25:11
Speaker
So I listened to your season last week, Sim, and I was like, I'm very jealous, but also like, there's no way my body could achieve that. Well, you could have a very similar here to what I had last year where I thought I wouldn't be able to do anything until all of a sudden June comes around and I'm like, Oh, I'm fit and I feel okay. Um, yeah I guess that's my main goal for the year apart from those races. And I think it sort of leads into performing well in those races is I feel like I've let myself, not let myself down, but I haven't I haven't trained to my potential, especially last year. Last year I was just surviving. yeah yeah But even the last three years, I feel like I haven't trained to my potential because I've been dealing with these, the Achilles and the stress fracture, like little, and and then little things in between. And there's been periods where I've had good training, but like still, I feel like I haven't reached my training potential, which means I haven't reached my racing potential and and really,
00:26:08
Speaker
Racing potential is probably gonna be delayed another year or so because I need to get to I've done many years of running so I've got that benefit but I I could build two or three really quality years and then that's probably where I'll have my best results so I'm trying to think long-term that's what I want and this year I want to get back to running having a great training week and not being like oh how was my Achilles feeling in that last session like I want to just and be like tired at the end of the week and go, ice that was a good solid week of training. Like that, I'll be very happy if that's the minimum I get back to this year. Like those world champs goals are important, but probably more important to me is being able to do a hundred K training. Like I'm just put, it doesn't need to be a specific figure, but let's just say a hundred K training week, 10 hours of running. And I felt good at the end of it. That's, that'll be good. Yeah. I hear you.
00:27:00
Speaker
That's what we all actually do this for at the end of the day. so Exactly. Exactly. Cause we love running and it's fun and it's good to, it's nice to push yourself and feel good afterwards. Not be like, Oh, I'm a bit sore here. Yep. Yep. Yep. I feel yeah. Well, smart. I love it. Um, uh, I'm keen to see how it all goes as we go along, but as I tell so many people that, yeah, a slow build is actually the best kind of build because then you just continuously building towards getting better, a little better every day.
00:27:29
Speaker
as opposed to the whole flash in the pan. I'm super fit and I can do something and then oh gosh, I'm injured again. so Good stuff. I feel like especially especially with Achilles, like ah everyone I've known that's had Achilles issues, they're stuck in this cycle where they're just like it gets better and it gets worse, it gets better and it gets worse. and It's just something that you have to be patient with. Yeah. And I can grumble along for so many years. And I think I've realized, like I've always looked at other people and gone, Oh yeah, the Achilles is grumbling along. And I've had a little bit of that, but it hasn't got to this point till I've realized like, I'm that person now where I let my Achilles grumble, grumble for four years. And I'm like, okay, maybe I'm going to have issues in the future, but I would like to get into a period. I would at least like to try to get into a position where I'm not having those issues.
00:28:17
Speaker
Yeah, and I think the important question to ask yourself for this year is, would you prefer going to this year's orienteering and world trail running champs, but still having problems next year? Or would you prefer not actually doing any of the sort of big, big races in terms of world champs and stuff this year, but you have really good training from, say, March this year all up until World Champs 2027?
00:28:43
Speaker
Yeah, I'd take good training from October onwards as long as I get onto it from the end of this year. I'm pretty happy. I think i think if I'm training well by March, I will be able to achieve those other goals because it's really like.
00:28:56
Speaker
If I buy October, if, if that's the point where I get it, then maybe I didn't reach those other goals. But yes, that would be much more meaningful to me than those teams. Obviously those teams are super meaningful, but you can see how desperate I am to have a good training week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And as like those teams are meaningful, but also fleeting in some ways, exactly like your health isn't fleeting, but each of those races is, and they come and they go and sort of.
00:29:23
Speaker
You'll always remember them. Like I can remember every single one of my big races, but everyone else forgets about them. No one, no one else actually really cares at the end of the day, which is a beautiful thing. Um, cause it means we can do what we actually want to do. But anyways, um, yeah, it'll be good to see.
Training Highlights and Personal Achievements
00:29:41
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And when you so speak of like, just wanting to have a good training week, that doesn't hurt too much. I feel like that's still kind of where I'm at, but for a very different reason. Um, my week was.
00:29:51
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the polar opposite week of what ah my body is used to in terms of the sessions that I did. I've gone from my ah hunt first 100K to a 400 metre PB in five weeks, which I'll take. um But um yeah, we had for my training week, it was just another week of trying to put the kilometres in the legs so that they start to absorb things to really good gym sessions. But I got back into like proper, proper hard sessions. And so I did what was it like two speedy track sessions was two by or three by 800 600 400 on Tuesday, which I managed at reasonable paces. um So that one I actually was like was kind of nice and kind of horrible to be back in I think it was like the sec by the second 800 I was hanging on to the group I'm with and going I don't know how I'm going to get to the end of this session, but also
00:30:49
Speaker
no longer feeling like I have the excuse to go, I'm tired. Let's stop. Um, so yeah, we're back to the whole better actually get this done. And I held on, which was a really nice feeling because the week before was the session where I tried, but I had to bail on a rep, take a six minute break and then get back in. Um, whereas this one, it was like horribly hard, but I was consistent throughout the entire session and like got it done, which,
00:31:18
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ticked a very big box. I will say Wednesday morning, I went to go for just my normal easy run and I ran laps of Albert Park and I was hanging at like 5.10 per kilometer around the lake, like dying. It was, yeah, my legs were definitely not not used to it still. um And then Friday session,
00:31:41
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You guys will love this one. It was four by 300, then four by 200, all off two minutes rest, and then a six-minute break before a 400-meter time trial. Yuck. That's disgusting.
00:31:58
Speaker
I'm excited to get back to this stuff. That's what I want to do. I'm excited. That sounds great. Like I was actually really excited for this one until it got to the morning of, purely because I had another, I had a couple of nut rough nights sleep. The dog was a little bit unwell again. And so I was having like, I was running off, I think about four hours sleep for three nights in a row by the time we did this. And also we were doing this session at 7am. So it was like.
00:32:25
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a five something an AM alarm just to get myself awake enough to be trying to sprint at 7am. And even then off the sleep I was having, honestly, I was in a laughably like touchy state in terms of like, I was exhausted and just not feeling it. And then I was getting dropped at like a hundred meters of every rep and it was feeling shocking. So I ended up doing the four by 300, like I think slower than I've done 15 by 300, like absolutely nothing that blistering, getting dropped, but going just hang on. It's 300 metre reps. Just, you've got to hang on. And then in the 200s as well, like my 200 metre reps were slower in the end than my 400 for the most part. So I was, it was not a good session for me at all, but I got that shock and feeling that you would expect from a session that is this fast. Um, and then it was interesting cause I've, I have this thing, right, where I've run
00:33:23
Speaker
70 point for a 400 meter rep. Like, and I've only done it once in a race where I did it after a steeplechase, but and in training, I have tried many times to try and break 70 seconds for a 400. Always in training. So always just mid a session in a rep and I've run 70 point, 70 point, 70 point, 70 point. Like I've done it a lot of times and I've even done like an eight by 400 session where I was running 72, 71, 72, 71. So like it was.
00:33:52
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it It was getting laughable to the point that I set the goal eight years ago to try and break 70 seconds for a 400. And I would have tried 50 times and I've run 70 point that many times, like maybe not 50, let's say 20. But so everyone in the group that I was with knew this and I was feeling shocking. I'd been running my 200s in like 34 high. So.
00:34:18
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34, 35 seconds. Like I was running the 200s dying at the pace I needed to run this 400. But Tim, coach, set it up so that each group went solo and all the other groups could watch their 400 meter time trial so he could time them all. So I've got the first group going off running their sort of 60 to 65 second 400. And then everyone knowing I want to break 70 and I'm on, I'm there. And I had to laugh at how tired I was because I was almost in tears going, I can't do it today, guys. Like stop watching, don't look.
00:34:48
Speaker
I can't do it. I'm too tired. And then it did happen that like mid rep, I was like, nah, screw this. I've got to at least try because everyone seems to be watching and cheering and going. And then I started dying at like 250 meters. But then with, I don't even know how long left, I hear Tim screaming out, you've got 10 seconds and then counting down.
00:35:10
Speaker
And the people two ahead of me, are like the two people ahead of me are on point to run like just under 70 seconds. And I had dropped off them, but I put in this massive surge and ran like 69.2 in the end. So I have finally done it.
00:35:26
Speaker
and fact ive been a lot That's awesome. Brody with the claps, with the sound effects. I love it. But anyways, it was just like so much more dramatic than it needed to be because of how tired and horrible I felt. And also the fact that I've just tried that many times and it's not happened. So I'm like, i no, I can run faster than this. Like it's not even a like, I know I can actually run faster than I did it even the 69. Like I was feeling that shocking that I was amazed I did it.
00:35:56
Speaker
but I've just, you don't get op like, as an ultra runner, how many times did you get an opportunity to go to an all out 400? So anyways, that we did finally. And I'm like, well, I've started 2025 with a PB, not the one I expected, not the one that I've been training for, but we did it finally. A more important one though, that's an eight year goal achieved. That is, I know. So like, it's one of those ones that like eight years ago as a completely different human and runner to what I am now, where like,
00:36:25
Speaker
that my the times I was running were chalk and cheese. I don't even know why I set that goal. I think I'd run an 82nd 400 and I was like, I wonder if one day I can get that down to 70 or under 70. I wanted something with a six at the start because it sounded so much cooler. um Anyways, yes, I set that goal a very, very long time ago um and we did it.
00:36:46
Speaker
finally. So yeah, that was my week. Awesome. How was the lactic after? That's so this is my thing. I don't I i don't I didn't my legs were fine. I don't feel that burn. Like I don't I don't think my body ah based on the training I've done and probably the muscle types I have. I don't think I can produce lactate, which is not a good thing. It's actually a very bad thing for running fast. um But yeah, I actually think I'm one of those people that just don't really produce lactate. Because I don't I don't recognize the whole people when people say lactic burn, especially from flat running. i The closest I can think to what it feels like is when I'm doing hill reps and the calf burn is the closest thing I can kind of think to what's lactic. It's like the final 100 of the 400 where you just like, you can't go any faster. like You feel like you're just going backwards.
00:37:38
Speaker
I think that's, yeah, I think ah don't, I don't, I still like, I just can't, I don't know what it you're talking about in some ways. Like I do because I've seen it. Like I've definitely seen it, but I have a feeling if you tested my lactate, I would be one of those people that just, the reason I can't run fast is because I'm just not producing it. Therefore it's not there as an energy source and muscle fiber types or whatever it is. Um, but I got to the end of the session and like,
00:38:04
Speaker
i my legs like I felt like I couldn't run any faster, but also it doesn't feel like my legs are burning or anything like that. I don't know. It's an interesting one. Interesting. I did gym straight i did jim that afternoon as well, and I went real heavy on the gym. and This was where my week turned around because gym has been feeling real hard. and I'm like,
00:38:27
Speaker
Started lifting real heavy. Oh, not real heavy, but much heavier again. And I thought that I was going to be absolutely shocking because I had to do long run Saturday because of two bays. And it was shocking, but just slightly less shocking than the week before, even with that session and a gym session. So I'm coming out of the horribleness, I think.
00:38:48
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I think one day, maybe that's my next goal. Try and feel like really, really lactic. Try and see what that feeling's like at some point. Yeah. I think like the sessions that, um, used to do it for me the most she was like when you do like an all out 400 and then you have like a five to 10 minute break and then you do another one that used to really kill me. Okay. Yeah. I've never done that before. So maybe I'll try that one day.
00:39:13
Speaker
I'll convince Tim to let me do 400 meter training or something. like what Was that an 800 session or a 400 session? Yeah, it was with sports groups. So yeah, 800 meter training. I reckon the only time I felt like massive lactic is in a 300 meter session with middle distance runners. The same thing. You feel it in your arms and your lats and stuff. It's weird. Yeah. yeah I've had like the tingly arms and stuff. Like, I thought don't know. This is like your arms feel like they're going to like, like you're like end of similar feeling to like last rep in, in a squat or something where you literally feel like you can't move anymore. Like, I don't know. That's how I felt it anyway. Okay.
00:39:54
Speaker
And a bit vomity. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. I'm going to keep exploring this one. I do have another chance this week. I think we're doing 300 metre reps on Tuesday. Again. Just skip every second one and then go real hard.
00:40:10
Speaker
Oh, how to kill me. um As long as your car's all right. I reckon my way to, I reckon my way to feel it would totally be just go as hard as I can rep one and see what I feel like rep two and onwards.
00:40:25
Speaker
have potential We'll see. Anyways, that's for next week. um And then yeah, Medic on Two Base. So that was a fun week for me.
Handling Race Cancellations and Safety
00:40:33
Speaker
It wasn't actually really nice to be there and just fully chillaxed and not racing and not, yeah. As much as you said you were enjoying the, the being there racing Jess, I was enjoying not racing this one. um So we,
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00:41:37
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00:42:19
Speaker
Obviously, that was a different time. But interesting chat to people on the finish line at Two Bays and runners that I coach that have had this happen to them in terms of what do you do? Well, two scenarios, as you said, Brody, what do you do when a race is cancelled and a race can be cancelled before you even start? Or if a race is cancelled and you're part of the way through or as some of the Two Bays runners were, 51Ks out of 56Ks in.
00:42:47
Speaker
um because it's an interesting position to be in, I think, because you've got so many different avenues you can take afterwards in terms of your how much effort you've put in, recovery you need, the mental side versus the physical side. So yeah, Jess, what's your initial thoughts on like what, let's say the race is canceled midway through the race, like dealing with that, what's your initial thoughts?
00:43:14
Speaker
I've never experienced it myself but like the closest thing that I think I've experienced is like when I was doing a Perth Trail series and um we'd just like gone the complete wrong way and I had no idea where where I was going because there was like people everywhere and then I just knew like the race was over because I wasn't doing the correct course so I just had to head back.
00:43:38
Speaker
and then I got like DQ'd or whatever. um But yeah, it's pretty friggin' frustrating, like, because you've tapered for the race, like, your whole, like, I don't know, it depends how big the race is, but like, it could have been months worth of training, and then you've carbloated, like, you've spent all this money to get to the race, a combination, race entry, like, food, like, it's it's pretty devastating.
00:44:05
Speaker
but I think like as hard as as it is, you've just got to know that it's part of the sport and um just yeah i don't know you'd take it in strides. Me being me, I would probably yeah like probably look to the future, like depending on how far I'd gotten into the race. um If I felt that I could recover within like a couple of weeks, I'd probably look at something else just to like utilize that training block. But if I felt like say I'd done like 40k of a 50k race, I could probably, you'd still need to recover from that. So you just got to be smart about it. And know that even though like the race got canceled, you'd still gained some experience from that race. Like you've gained fitness from the hard effort. um Yeah, that's, yeah, that's my thoughts on it.
00:45:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's it's never going to be good. But unfortunately, like you said, Tim, and just like we are seeing this happen more and and I think it's only potentially going to get worse. We we do a sport in some remote areas or areas that is um that that are susceptible to different natural disasters. We're seeing those sort of things happen.
00:45:24
Speaker
more and more. So I think it's something that although is bad, that we could probably start preparing for it, at least mentally, like thinking about it and and thinking about how you would approach the situation if it did happen, um or learning from those experiences where you have had it happen and and knowing that, okay, it was all all right, and this is what I did. um But yeah, I think it varies.
00:45:45
Speaker
ah Depending on the distance, like if you go out there and you run 30, if you run more than 50% of your race, like you've done your race, you you attended that race, you completed what you could of the race, what you were allowed to, and you've got to see the little successes in that as well. So depending on what you're going out there to do, like are you going out there to finish or are you going out there to compete?
00:46:06
Speaker
try and take some some positives out of what you did get done. um Because I think like if you don't do that, then then then you're sort of like letting yourself down a little bit. um If the race doesn't happen, then I think that's a different one and it's a bit tricky. um Obviously, I think think safety first. like Don't go out there and do the race where the race is because there's a reason that race got canceled. um Even though you might be in the area, don't don't go out and do that because there is ah there is a reason that that race has been canceled and it's probably not safe for you to be in that specific spot. But on that note, there's, I don't know, for me, there's a lot of things in training that I'd be like, how cool would it be to do that as hard as I could, but you can't because you're in training. ah Have a think about those or you might have something slightly different to that. There might be a ah route near your house that you've always wanted to go and run or
00:46:58
Speaker
um even if it's not another race coming up there's some of those other things and for me there's like all these like little like FKTs around Victoria of like these little loops and stuff that I've run many times but I haven't run as hard as I possibly can because I've had a race. You could use that as an opportunity to go and do one of those things. um There's lots of things that you could go and do, but I think talking to your peers, talking to your coach about what's appropriate or what what you could fit in, because don't go and run a 50K FKT. If you're supposed to be doing a 20K race, that might not be an appropriate substitution.
00:47:31
Speaker
um But everyone's going through it as well. So reach out to your friends and and have a chat to them about it and and those sorts of things. I think you can, you can probably get a lot of benefit from that. Yeah, for sure. I think for me, it's all about reframing for for the people that I'm coaching in particular, or i I will tell the story of how I unsuccessfully did this for myself, but it's the like talking to people that got to 51Ks yesterday.
00:48:00
Speaker
um out of 56 or got to 50 Ks or whatever it was. i My advice is always mentally reframe it that you ran a 51K race today. How did that race go? That race to that point where you were stopped because the race was stopped, therefore race was over. That's that's your race done. So how did your 51K race go? Or you say you got stopped, a lot of people were stopped at um Browns Road, which is going to be 38k's in. So you ran a 38k race. Like how did that 38k race go today? So you can still take the exact same lessons from the race. Obviously you would have run it differently had it actually been a 38k race. I will say that a 51 out of a first of a 56, you probably ran it fairly similarly. So you can actually take almost everything that you would take except that finish line experience away from making it to 51 out of 56.
00:48:59
Speaker
But even those that made it to 38, you made it a long way. Like, it was, it was cancelled long enough in that you got a really long run out for this race in particular. um That, yeah, reframe it. of You ran a 38K race. And that's also how I get people to reframe where they go to next. Because a lot of people look for the next closest finish line to get that experience again, or to have Like we do it for the higher the finish line sometimes. Like it's a pretty cool experience running across it, but I get them to reframe it again and going, okay, so if you had have run a 38K race and on this day in your training plan, we now rebuild you as if it was a 38K instead of a 56. So yes, does that mean you can race again sooner and we don't have to, you don't have to recover as much? Yes. But it also still means you need to recover from the 38K race you did do or the 40K or whatever, whatever distance you made it to.
00:49:51
Speaker
Um, you still need to recover as if you race that distance, not as if you race the full thing. And that reframing can sometimes, at at least I've experienced it helping people go, okay, so my finish line was at 38K. Now I completely reflect on the race as it was, um, or as it turned out to be, and just.
00:50:12
Speaker
ah in so in many ways, reframing the finish line. um But if the race, I'm all for, if the race doesn't go ahead, find another race, that's all good. Find another goal, find another race, use the fitness, that is A-OK. Like, I have no qualms about that, and I'm the first one to help trying to find something else, share the love um in that. But yeah, the the time I ah definitely failed at that last year for myself, and I think partially because of the distance of the race, but when Tatra was cancelled at 11k, I think that for me, it was just like almost impossible to reframe. It was impossible to use, like for me at the time, ah it's the whole do as I say, not as I do kind of thing. um Because I feel like that derailed my whole season last year in many ways. But part of that is the whole, for me it was like, well, I've come all this way. I'm in fricking Poland for a reason and it extended my trip by six weeks just to get to this one race.
00:51:05
Speaker
So it can be heartbreaking at times, depending on how big the goal is and how long you've built up to that goal. um So reframing works to a point, um as I've learned last year. And then it gets to the point where it's almost like, I don't want to say morning, but it's almost just like you've got to let yourself feel crap.
00:51:25
Speaker
for a little bit and then new goals eventually come. But I didn't want, I don't think rushing that process at any point is good for you um because your body, yeah, your body doesn't know the difference at all to for the recovery side of things. And to touch on what Brody said, darn like got there was very rarely, thankfully, when we cancel a race, do people, because people are allowed to technically um take off their bib forego all race support whatsoever and essentially go, I'm now a member of the public on this race track, on this course, on this trail. The trail is not closed, so I'm going to keep running. People do do that at times when a race is cancelled. And I will say, don't be that person. um And I like 100 percent every day, you've got to take everything into their own hands, which I get that that is they're allowed to do. But races are cancelled for a reason, as Brody said, like it's not
00:52:23
Speaker
And also like if everyone all of a sudden did that, youve you run into a lot of trouble. So don't try and finish the race when a race has been canceled is my definitely advice. um Because if something does go wrong for you at that point, you are you no longer have.
00:52:41
Speaker
Like it's already been deemed dangerous and you no longer have the support of the medical staff at that race or any staff, race staff support, you're ending up serving, calling triple zero at that point if something goes wrong. um So yeah, don't do that. I don't know if you guys have seen anyone do that, but I've seen it a number of times.
00:52:59
Speaker
No, I haven't. no I can imagine it. I can imagine it happens, but it does. have not seen it They get you get told everything in terms of like you're no longer allowed to call the race director or the race medical support or anything. If anything goes wrong and please don't do this. um But people still do so.
00:53:16
Speaker
yeah can you guys see um Did you guys see that guy that i was missing in Kosciusko National Park? why the survive like if I That's crazy. Thirteen days. Absolutely epic. Just him being found alive was incredible. That is pretty, well, hectic stuff. And I would love to hear how the hell he survived. Those stories I'm so intrigued by.
00:53:42
Speaker
um And I think that yeah everyone can learn hopefully a little bit from them, both how not to hopefully make the same mistakes and get lost. um If it was depending on what what actually happened, things happen in the mountains. But um yeah, how he survived, my gosh. Interesting times. But yeah, I think does that does that summarize or end our discussion on race cancellations? They are happening a little bit more.
00:54:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. It's like, it is a, it's a, it's a tough event to move through. It's like much like a injury or some other negative thing that happens to you. So I don't know. I always think like lean on your support, whoever your supports are, lean on your coach, lean on your friends, lean it on your family to sort of help you manage it. Cause like, it's okay to be upset and it's okay to not, to be.
00:54:27
Speaker
in not a good place mentally when it happens. But there's ways to sort of help get out of that as well. So um it's not the end of the world. There will be another race. There will be another. There will be another run to be done. So um but yeah, lean on those people when you need them is probably my big advice. Yeah, I like it.
00:54:45
Speaker
I like it. ah Now to finish us off this week, trial runner of the year for 2024. I think, Jess, were you following this along at all? I know me and Brodie were, but were you actually following as well? Yeah. I just saw the results briefly. say Yeah. Fair, fair. It's always, um I'm just always intrigued just to just see what comes out on top because ah yeah Brodie's looked into this a bit more than I have, but This is Trail Runner of the Year by Run Free Trail, which is Dylan Bowman, yeah? And it's done on both public vote and voting from fellow elites or like the elite um pro trail runners association, like top field runners. And so it's essentially peers voting on peers as well as public opinion, um I believe, but it's all done on sort of polling
00:55:37
Speaker
um and seeing who comes out on top. They do trail runner of the year, male and female, and performances of the year, male and female. And Brody, have you got up what what came out on top?
00:55:49
Speaker
Yeah, so in the trail run of the year includes the person's entire season. So it's more like multiple races and what they were able to do within the whole year, whereas the trail performance is like one one-self performance. so So in the women, the trail runner of the year was Katie Scheid. So Katie was first place at Canyons 100K. She was first at Western States 100 with the second fastest time. And she was first at UTMB with a course record. So I think she was undeniably number one. I think that one's probably fairly agreeable across everyone. um And then in the men, ah it was Elizin Elizao. I don't know how to say his last name. Elizui.
00:56:37
Speaker
Elizui, I have heard it many times, I should remember it. Elizin, as many might know, is participating in the Golden Trail World Series this year in like an incredibly strong field um in the males. He was first overall. He won Marathon du Blanc, ah sorry, Marathon du Mont Blanc.
00:57:01
Speaker
He also had the course record there, um which you've had some like incredible athletes run that over many years. So that was a pretty impressive race. um And he had four outright victories in the individual races.
00:57:16
Speaker
um so Yeah, I thought that was interesting that I would agree that he's had a really good season and it's interesting to see him come out there and maybe this pole which had a lot of more other ah ultra runners, although there was some more people who had participated in that sort of shorter sub ultra distance in the top 10 as well. So yeah, that was cool to see.
00:57:39
Speaker
And then trail performance of the year in the women was Jasmine Parris, who was the first woman finisher of the Barkley marathons. And if you haven't heard of the Barkley marathons, just ah Google it. it's ah It's really cool. There's a few like docos about it as well, but it's this sort of crazy ultra in America where they navigate themselves around the forest finding books. It sounds very weird, but it's pretty cool. um She was fifth overall and I think to finish, she had to finish in 60 hours and she finished in 59 hours, 58 minutes and 21 seconds. So she was
00:58:21
Speaker
It was a sprint finish, but without much sprinting. yeah yes Watching her finish though, have you both seen the videos of it? No. ah Go find it. like You have to find it. It is insane. like Just how destroyed she is. I can't even imagine how she's feeling, but definitely go watch that. Yeah, cool. That's some homework for us to do. yep And ah in the men ah trail performance of the year went to David Roach, who won Leadville 100, which is a hundred mile race in the US. He was first and he was first overall. And he also ah beat a, I think it was like a 16 year old course record. And I think he beat it by like 16 minutes or something. So yeah, it was really.
00:59:11
Speaker
Impressive ah individual result. um But yeah, they were the on run free trail there trail runner and performances of the year. um There was also some I just actually found the summary of the UTMB.
00:59:28
Speaker
post, although now it's disappeared on my computer. But UTMB did a best of each distance just by the score that the athlete got. um oh yeah yeah The main thing that was very interesting was that the men's highest score was in the shortest distances, so the 20 and 50. But in the females, the the highest scores were in the longest distances, so the 100 miles and the 100k.
00:59:54
Speaker
So I thought that was quite interesting. Well, that's because we're closer to the men in those distances. In those distances. yeah yeah yeah So the the gap between the two, like I would say that just physiologically, the way the scoring's done, women are more capable of higher scores in the longer distance than in the shorter distance because of the way they score it based off the fastest time humanly possible, AKA, but run by a man.
01:00:23
Speaker
yeah Yeah, it's anin interesting how they are calculating that score with like a one score for both genders. But um I guess that's how it comes out on paper when the longer and the shorter races.
01:00:34
Speaker
Yeah, I don't mind it. It's just that that's why it comes out like that. i think Well, as far as I can read through as much as I've read of this, which is... Yeah, I think that would be... ah That was probably like a brief summary of how those how that... it's It's probably very complicated, but I think that overarching probably is the brief summary of why those scores are higher. And and and I just found it interesting when I looked at it. Yeah.
01:00:55
Speaker
And Killian had the fast that had the best result for the 20k, whereas he's usually running a lot longer, because his Siesenau was the highest score of the 20k distance. Yeah. Well, it would have been one of the highest scores of the year, I would assume. I think that was the highest score, yeah. Yeah, okay because oh yeah, the only scores that often get higher is like Remy Bonet's Uphills.
01:01:16
Speaker
Yeah. And the the, in the females, the highest score was Courtney Dowelter at ah Mount Fuji 100. So maybe she should have had trail performance of the year. Who knows? Who knows? Yeah, I think it's hard because trail performance of the year, usually that's why the David Roach one actually does surprise me a little bit because it usually goes to the winner of a really competitive race. Yeah. Like the top end field is kind of close and it's stacked and that sort of thing. So.
01:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's an interesting one, because part of me would have gone, like, was it Jim Warmsley that won Western States? I don't know. like Oh, yeah. I think he was ready du but maybe I don't think he was. Interesting task. I really don't think he was. i I couldn't remember what it was. But Ludovic Pomerig was pretty high up for Hard Rock 100. But anyways, always interesting to see. I was intrigued. I think the only surprise for me was, like, 100% adore what David Roach did. I think it was freaking incredible. But it just wasn't one that for me personally came to mind when I thought of the top performance of the year. So that was the only one. Yeah, right. Jim's first at Western States isn't even in the top five. I didn't think so. I thought it came like six or something. And I'm like, wait, what? But anyways. It sort of shows how subjective it is. It's hard to pick out the best. But I reckon our awards were more accurate.
01:02:34
Speaker
Our awards are always going to be more accurate to our brains. ah No, I mean our Australian ones that we did at the end of last year. I know what you mean. It's about as biased as it gets. Oh, absolutely love it. Cool. Well, I think that sums up. We've hit the nice hour. We've gotten everyone through a one hour run. Slowest start to the year just because we've got less and i'm I'm too busy to ask a listener questions. So I'm going to ask right now and I'll put a post out. But um any listener questions, please send them through. Things you want us to discuss.
01:03:08
Speaker
um Thanks for all the love on. i did put ah I did put a question out for our listeners for what they're most looking forward to this year and there was lots of first hundred milers and there was um UTA, a lot of people looking forward to UTA and just some ah someone saying their very first ever trail one run, love that.
01:03:28
Speaker
um So yeah, thanks for all the feedback on that one. And um yeah, keep sending through the listener questions and we'll cover them as well as we can. And yeah, I think that sums everything up for this week. Thanks for listening. This has been episode 40 of the Peak Pursuits podcast. We will speak to you next week. See you guys. Thanks guys.