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The DFS Deli - NFL Week 8 Breakdown: Turning the Season Around for Struggling Teams
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This week on The DFS Deli, we’re diving into everything happening in the NFL for Week 8! From top plays for DFS to the latest headlines, we’re taking a close look at the league’s struggling franchises and exploring the realistic moves they could make to salvage their seasons. Join us as we break down who’s still fighting for a comeback, what roster adjustments might spark a turnaround, and which players to target across all positions for your DFS lineups. Don’t miss our takes on Week 8’s biggest storylines!
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Week Eight Overview
00:00:01
Sully Shaheed
All right. No error messages this time. Cool. Cool. Cool. Week eight is reached this conclusion. We here at the deli are going to break everything down. The good, the bad, the ugly. And of course at the end of every shift, you know, we got to take out that trash. So we will point out who the trash teams, players, and. Right. Frankly fan bases were after the end of the week eight slate with the exception of the night's game, of course. But the open sign is on. Join us as we come into the DFS deli. We can recap.
00:00:42
Baker
and what we can do with it.
Sully's Enthusiasm for Browns
00:00:48
Sully Shaheed
Hey, welcome in to the DFS deli. I of course, I'm the proprietor of this delicatessen Sully Alicia heat and happy Monday. Happy, happy Browns. Victory. Monday. Super.
00:01:09
Sully Shaheed
Yeah. yeah What was with the look on your faces? No, no super, no Super Bowl, super, super Browns.
00:01:18
Baker
I mean, I already put my future bet on the Browns winning the Super Bowl. So like I don't need to be excited about it because I've already put my money where my mouth is.
00:01:26
Chilly
Can you cash it out?
00:01:31
Baker
I'm pretty confident there's no cash out option right now for me.
00:01:35
Chilly
That's a shame.
00:01:35
Sully Shaheed
Screw all you guys super, but I know, I know it's, it's, it's one game, but, uh, yeah, it's one of the topics of discussion. Of course, here on the DFS deli, because remember, if you're tuning into me, you're tuning in into Baker chill, you could be anywhere in the world, but you decided to be here with me. I appreciate that. So, and obviously to quote a quote, a very famous man, Baker, if you were born around water,
00:02:06
Sully Shaheed
you just have a different way of life. So the subscribers, everybody that tunes into DFS deli, you just have a different way of life, you know, and we appreciate that. So a lot happened week eight, right? But of course the first stop of conversation is chilly.
Week Eight Key News & Injuries
00:02:27
Sully Shaheed
Welcome to the show. How are you tonight? they How are you feeling? That's, that's what matters to me. How are you doing?
00:02:34
Chilly
I'm doing good man but Week eight was okay a lot of I Think there was a lot of newsworthy stuff, you know from week eight, you know, we'll get into that.
00:02:45
Chilly
I'm sure but It's ready to dive on in to talk some real football and maybe add some fantasy Aspects to it That's a good way to stay in shape
00:02:55
Sully Shaheed
Oh, yeah. yeah Yeah, absolutely. And it's great way to stay in shape. Yeah. Obviously some of the games injuries, et cetera, because every week there's more and more injuries, but, uh, we'll obviously break down some of the fantasy implications of the games that took place yesterday as well. But Baker, what's going on, man? How's, uh, how's everything you ah recovered? Okay. From the wedding over the weekend, buddy.
00:03:16
Baker
I mean, uh, I mean, thanks to a chilling aunt, they kept me alive. I don't know how I ended up in the position that I ended up still been trying to figure that out the last 48 hours. Now I ended up there, but we're here thanks to, uh, my, unfa my unwavering faith.
00:03:39
Sully Shaheed
Yeah man, you just got a different way of life.
00:03:42
Sully Shaheed
you know
00:03:42
Baker
ah a I born around water.
00:03:44
Sully Shaheed
Unwavering faith, unwavering faith. Um, if you joined us last time and a couple of housekeeping notes is that I sincerely apologize for not being able to upload an episode last week, uh, concerning our fantasy football podcast, because I was in the great, the Canadian land, great Canada for business reasons. So, um, I had a blast, a lot of, uh, a lot of good wine, Baker, you would, you would appreciate Canada. It was a lot of fun. A lot of fun.
00:04:10
Baker
I mean, Canada got some nice ice wines because obviously the colder climate. So yeah, um I'm hip i'm hip just getting some Canadian stuff.
00:04:14
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, man, good wine, good food, good people had a great trip. So yes, I apologize for not being able to upload because when your boy got back to the States, I was dead, dead tired, but we're back.
00:04:29
Sully Shaheed
We're going to pump out an episode tonight. We're going to do it again on Wednesday, fully decked out in the special Halloween episode. Chill me and this guy right there. So make sure to tune in on Wednesday.
00:04:38
Chilly
Yep.
00:04:39
Sully Shaheed
It's going to be a fun time.
Personal Touches: Birthdays & Humor
00:04:41
Sully Shaheed
Um, but before we get into football, because of course the first topic is going to be about the team that resides here in Cleveland, um I would like to personally give a shout out to my oldest daughter, Aaliyah turns eight tomorrow.
00:04:59
Sully Shaheed
So happy birthday baby girl definitely appreciates you being the coolest kid of all time. So happy birthday to my baby girl. And yeah, and you guys, you guys got any other birthday shout outs any shout outs in general, Rainier Rainier got married, so shout out to him, right?
00:05:16
Chilly
Yeah, yeah, yes he did.
00:05:19
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, absolutely.
00:05:20
Baker
I mean, I feel like you just dogged your other daughter, though.
00:05:20
Sully Shaheed
So some cool stuff going on.
00:05:23
Baker
Like, you just said that one kid's the coolest kid of all time, and you have two kids. So you just kind of dogged your other kid.
00:05:27
Chilly
Do parents got favorites?
00:05:27
Baker
Just going to throw it out there.
00:05:29
Chilly
Let's come on, bro.
00:05:29
Baker
I'm just going to throw it out there.
00:05:29
Sully Shaheed
Oh, yeah. el Lee is my favorite. It's not close.
00:05:34
Sully Shaheed
It's not. I mean, Aliyah is just whoa. My is cool, man. Like she's like great. Well, Leah, she was born around water.
00:05:42
Baker
See? Because Maya is just like you, that's why you like to lay it more. That makes sense.
00:05:50
Sully Shaheed
Oh yeah. Why would I like anybody that's a replica of me? That's no, that's a, that's a no no. But, um, but yeah, man, let's get into the topic of conversation.
Browns vs. Ravens Analysis
00:06:01
Sully Shaheed
First, we'll start off with the Cleveland Browns who despite an eight and a half point underdog status,
00:06:08
Sully Shaheed
defended home turf behind the passing prowess and the inability to catch interceptions of the Baltimore Ravens. Uh, the Cleveland Browns did pull off the upset, uh, against Baltimore.
00:06:17
Baker
I'm sorry.
00:06:21
Sully Shaheed
We saw a quarterback capable once again of throwing for 300 plus yards, which was a nice change of pace and a defense that felt I don't want to say inspired, maybe motivated at the QB change, but it, what the wind did was basically confirm all the fears that we had initially and not say fears, but it was confirmation of what all of us Brown supporters fans have been saying is that it wasn't a Brown's problem. It wasn't a head coaching problem. It wasn't a personnel problem except for this.
00:06:59
Sully Shaheed
The four was the problem and they removed the problem. And all of a sudden the Browns are able to produce points.
00:07:08
Chilly
Well, I mean, God god removed the problem.
00:07:09
Sully Shaheed
They were on.
00:07:13
Sully Shaheed
Yes. yeah Jim Donovan and God rest his soul removed the problem.
00:07:13
Baker
My unwavering faith removed the problem.
00:07:21
Chilly
Jim?
00:07:21
Sully Shaheed
He's probably the one that knocked out, that knocked out that ball in hell with his hands too to end the game basically. But all of a sudden Jim Donovan is like, no fam, we went in this one.
00:07:28
Baker
Not today.
00:07:30
Sully Shaheed
Not today, not today. So Jamis did in one game, what Deshaun Watson was incapable of doing across basically a full season's worth of a resume.
00:07:44
Sully Shaheed
Jamis passed for over 300 yards. Jamis passed for three touchdowns.
00:07:51
Sully Shaheed
And he turned the ball over once, but that was a terrible play call. So I'm blaming Dorsey for that one. So I'm not even going to put that on Jamis. It's third and 15. You get the ball at half and you, and you don't want to make them burn their time out. So you tell him to drop back and tell him, Hey, I remember doing this with Josh Allen and he was a superhero on third and 15. Go make some happen. No, he doesn't play a Cleveland, plays the Buffalo.
00:08:19
Sully Shaheed
So that was a dumb ass play call, which led to points. So I'm not putting that on James. Other than that, I would say played pretty well. And again, a Browns victory. So we removed the problem.
00:08:33
Sully Shaheed
And now the Browns look like they're competent football team. So Joe, I would like to get your thoughts first before I kick it over to Baker, because I know he's going to, he's going to have some saliva coming out the edge of his mouth when he starts talking about James Winston. But what does this QB change for the Browns mean? Is it a culture thing? Is it, could this team actually squeak above 500? I mean, what, what do they think the implications are for this?
00:09:01
Chilly
Um, I mean, it gives them a really small chance of making the playoffs like slim, like real slim. Um, I mean, other than that, I mean, Jamis should have had a couple more interceptions, but like you said, the Ravens were incapable of, uh, catching the ball. Um, so again, I don't think it's going to be that much more different than Flacco thinking. I think it's going to look much of the same. Like they're going to be super competitive in all these games. Um,
00:09:31
Chilly
They all of a sudden become fantasy, you know, relevant now. ah So if you need to go pick up Browns out of your free agent pool, I think that's, I think that'll be a good move. Amari Cooper may regret being traded to Buffalo.
00:09:47
Chilly
um Just, I'm just going to toss that out there. I think he had one reception yesterday. Fucking bum. um
00:09:57
Sully Shaheed
Whoa. No, no, no, no, no. You're not going to take this away from Amari Cooper. Okay. Who cares? I literally said this ah Baker in our group chat, right?
00:10:08
Sully Shaheed
Amari doesn't need to be a one. He doesn't need to be a two. He just needs to be on the team. Buffalo executed their plan to perfection. And yes, one catch two yards, two targets.
00:10:20
Sully Shaheed
Those games are going to happen in Buffalo period. So let's put it out there.
00:10:24
Chilly
I can call him a bum. I can call him a bum if I want to.
00:10:27
Sully Shaheed
i mean you can
00:10:28
Chilly
He could be the wide receiver three on that team for all I care. He might be. okay so shit He might be behind Dalton Kincaid, so he might be four.
00:10:35
Sully Shaheed
um
00:10:39
Sully Shaheed
um
00:10:40
Chilly
so um no Again, it's going to make It's going to make all the Browns games worth watching. Again, like I said, I mean, do I think the Ravens probably should have won yesterday, but they couldn't catch the ball on either side?
00:10:50
Sully Shaheed
I mean,
00:10:55
Sully Shaheed
you can.
00:10:56
Chilly
Yeah, but they did it. um and And that's what it is, man. Football comes down to a couple of plays and they they didn't execute. The Browns did.
00:11:06
Chilly
Jamis looked like Jamis and all the Browns games will now have fantasy relevance. So here we are.
00:11:14
Sully Shaheed
I'm gonna I'm gonna love this narrative concerning ah you mentioned it Amari Cooper and the um now rise of Cedric Tillman as their number two because I heard it on the radio this morning actually because Ken Carmen is first of all I love Ken Carmen I love Ken Carmen but he was making backhanded comments about how Amari Cooper had one catch for two yards did it y'all see Buffalo absolutely ransacked the Seattle Seahawks like
00:11:42
Chilly
destroyed em
00:11:43
Sully Shaheed
So like what? is Okay, great. You had a great game and you needed every last yard and touchdown to get the victory.
00:11:46
Chilly
Destroyed them.
Seahawks' Red Zone Struggles
00:11:51
Sully Shaheed
Oh, Mario Cooper could have watched the Browns game in Brown Stadium. The bill still would have won by 30.
00:11:56
Chilly
Well, if Seattle could have learned how to operate you know a snap under center, they may have been able to stay in the game.
00:11:56
Sully Shaheed
So like, Yeah, the red zone offense was kind of trash, which is, you know, we're we're here to take out the trash.
00:12:05
Chilly
I mean, the one. the one Yeah, I mean.
00:12:07
Sully Shaheed
So Seattle, Seattle will get brought up. Don't, don't get it twisted.
00:12:10
Chilly
I mean, the one play wasn't Gino's fault. He's not that tall. And he may be tall, but not that tall. And then obviously, like I don't know who stepped on who. But we're here to talk about the Browns.
00:12:25
Sully Shaheed
Now we're here to talk about taking out the trash. And right now the trash is centered, the trash is centered around the inability for Ravens, cornerbacks to catch the ball.
00:12:27
Chilly
Oh, well.
00:12:33
Sully Shaheed
The inability for wide receivers on the Ravens to catch the ball because the sun was in their eyes. So there's, there was a lot of trash on that field that we need to take out.
00:12:39
Chilly
Yeah. Also, Lamar Jackson didn't miss a few people wide open. I believe he misses a flowers for a wide open touchdown. yeah So.
00:12:49
Sully Shaheed
That too, that too. But yeah, like we said, um you know, despite mishaps miscues or whatnot, the Browns, they get the victory and taking out the trash this week. Again, the Ravens secondary and some of the Ravens receivers, um Baker, what did you think about the performance from James as a whole? And as chill mentioned, this might be an opportunity for the Browns to say, why not us to go on a run? Because the AMC ain't all that tight.
00:13:21
Sully Shaheed
So there's a chance, there's a chance they would be second in the AFC East. Just saying. and So Baker, what do you think about, uh, what do you think about Jamison, uh, the Brown chances?
00:13:38
Baker
I mean, obviously as the, you know, Jamis Winston fan, been on this thing since day one. I loved it. I loved every second of it. It got to a point where I just decided to like, I'm like, like Nick Chubb came back last week and that's all cool. Fuck you, Nick Chubb. We're like we're letting this bitch fly. You know, that like that that was just the way the game was going. That's how the that's how the feel was.
00:14:06
Baker
I mean, yeah, we're going to do play action, but nobody's buying this play action crap. we're're We're throwing the ball. We're going to throw it a lot. I'm not going to lie, though, when the ball was in the air after Lamar made five of our defenders look like idiots on that last play. I'm like, somebody's going to come down with this. I'm like, somebody's oh, he hit the ground. Oh, my God. Whoo. But I mean, obviously, I was ah I knew what was going to happen the second James Winston got in there.
00:14:36
Baker
You know, I already ordered my five Jersey before the game even started. Like we about to see people walking around with a five jerseys. I already, I already had mine on the way. Cause you know what I'm saying? Been down with him since day one ish.
00:14:47
Chilly
You Do you want to trade them? Do you want to trade for them in Dynasty since I picked them up weeks ago? That's how much faith you had?
00:14:55
Baker
It's a one quarterback league, chill.
00:14:58
Chilly
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
00:14:58
Baker
Like you, you, you over here, look you over here hoarding quarterbacks.
00:14:59
Chilly
It doesn't matter! I have all this faith! I have all this faith! Did your bum ass pick them up?
00:15:06
Sully Shaheed
Unwavering faith, unwavering faith.
00:15:09
Chilly
All of it. It didn't even have them on the bench. I still have Uncle Lenny on the bench, maybe. I gotta look.
00:15:17
Baker
Why?
00:15:20
Chilly
he's my He's one of my favorite running backs.
00:15:22
Sully Shaheed
The Cowboys need help in the backfield.
00:15:24
Baker
What you talking about, Dalvin didn't look good enough for you last night?
00:15:24
Sully Shaheed
Uncle Lenny could, could help him out.
00:15:27
Chilly
paper Baker, when he came into the league and they played Houston, he was my week one daily doll hair stack. and i And I called it in April before he even got drafted.
00:15:39
Sully Shaheed
Ah, memories. Memories.
00:15:45
Baker
Gross. That's absolutely gross.
00:15:47
Chilly
Super Bowl champion, Uncle Lenny.
00:15:51
Sully Shaheed
It's a good point.
00:15:55
Baker
I mean, Blaine Gabbard has a Super Bowl ring, too.
00:15:59
Chilly
Uncle Lenny was a factor on that Bucks team.
00:15:59
Baker
Just saying.
00:16:02
Baker
Blaine Gabbard was, too. He ran the scout team.
00:16:05
Sully Shaheed
You got to prepare. I mean, that's that can't, that can't be undersold. Okay. You got to prepare. Listen, man. Um, yeah, I, I, I agree. Baker. I know you've ah had the unwavering faith since day one for Jamins Winston. And now he gets to potentially lead this Brown's team to hurt some people's feelings. I mean, you know, we were talking about the Ravens getting ready to basically go against the chiefs at AFC championship game.
00:16:05
Chilly
Yeah, but uncle.
00:16:34
Sully Shaheed
a week eight and how they could get you know what they need to do to get prepared and all of a sudden you have this this hiccup against the Cleveland Browns and all of a sudden you start questioning yourself are we that good and yes any any given Sunday totally get it but the good teams are good the bad teams are bad we're almost halfway through the season there there shouldn't be too much debate about what's going on so
00:16:58
Baker
But I will say this about the Ravens yesterday, yeah um in in their defense, in you know in their potential Super Bowl run that they could definitely still be on, you know without two starting cornerbacks. And they in that fourth quarter, they got blitz happy. They literally ran a zero blitz for six straight plays, to the point where it's like, that touchdown to Cedric Tillman to put us over the top, that's the sixth straight zero blitz they ran at. At a certain point in time, you continue to do the same thing. You're going to fuck around and find out.
00:17:25
Baker
So I think once' the once the Ravens getting a little bit healthier in their secondary, they will still be a factor.
00:17:26
Chilly
Yeah,
00:17:30
Baker
Let's not get that confused.
00:17:32
Chilly
Their secondary has been bad for some time, though.
00:17:35
Baker
Yeah, it's been bad.
00:17:35
Chilly
Even early on, it was bad.
00:17:36
Baker
But when you're down two starters in a bad secondary, your bad secondary gets bad.
00:17:41
Chilly
Yeah, I mean, it's you're not running on them, but they're basically the AFC Lions.
00:17:47
Baker
The new pass funnel?
00:17:49
Chilly
there
00:17:49
Baker
The new pass funnel, yeah.
00:17:51
Sully Shaheed
That's fine. We can exploit that in DFS.
00:17:56
Sully Shaheed
um Listen, there's there's some more trash I need to take out because obviously, you know I didn't record last week and I had some thoughts about the Watson injury and basically the Browns reaction to it, their player base when they got to the podium.
Controversies Around Deshaun Watson
00:18:12
Sully Shaheed
I think that whoever their PR person is legit told them, let's distract from the beat down we just got.
00:18:21
Sully Shaheed
and talk about the injury and how it was wrong of fans to boo and and all this other stuff. Like, listen, the first item, the first man I'm taking out to the trash is Miles Garrett, period. And I don't know who who gave you this pregame or postgame speech about Deshaun Watson being a model citizen throughout his career. are you Are you blind legally or just that dumb to say the the stupid shit that came out of your mouth?
00:18:51
Sully Shaheed
Honestly, like a man who's been labeled as a sexual predator who has X amount of lawsuits has been a model citizen. Miles Garrett, that's the dumbest thing you've ever fucking said. And it goes without saying that if someone put that in your ear to say that they need to be fired.
00:19:08
Sully Shaheed
Because Model Citizen and Deshaun Watson don't get along. Neither does 200 yard passing games or 300 yard passing games or winning or looking like a starting fucking quarterback. But Model Citizen, Miles Garrett, you're trash. That's literally all I have to say about that.
00:19:24
Sully Shaheed
um I don't know how y'all felt about the Deshaun Watson injury, because again, Baker, you're in a group chat with me. I put, I wanted to see him go, but not like that. And as the number one with a bullet, Deshaun Watson hater on the fucking planet, I didn't cheer. So they're speaking, they're speaking about maybe the 5% of drunken Browns fans that cheered and clapped on his way out when he was on the stretcher.
00:19:53
Sully Shaheed
Like that don't speak for all of us. Get out of here. So don't let the minority speak for the majority and say that it was wrong of us to ah the us, us now that the few people that cheered y'all ain't right.
00:20:10
Sully Shaheed
but y'all have every right to ah like as a person, he's shit as a quarterback, he's shit. And I've always said that. And if some, some drunken idiot wanted to cheer when he got carted off, I don't care.
00:20:26
Sully Shaheed
I i literally didn't fucking care. So those are my two cents on the Sean Watson injury.
00:20:31
Baker
One more time.
00:20:33
Sully Shaheed
Um, Joe, how did you feel that the Browns fans and players reacted to said injury that led up to the events that happen on Sunday.
00:20:41
Chilly
I mean, o the players are going to have to say that they don't have a choice. Like, you know, they can't write like they they have to come out and say the right things that that's just what they have to do. um Because like, let's be real, there's still a chance he may be the starter here next year. So. Like that's still on the table, so they have to come out and say the right things.
00:21:09
Chilly
Baker, I know you're shaking your head, but like you could have did that after Joe Flacco right last year. And yeah, he's still the starter. um I mean, for me personally, like if you think Deshaun Watson is just a piece of shit and you cheered when he got injured, I get it, I guess. I mean, like if you think like this guy is just a bad dude and he's a sexual predator and you wish ill will upon him for those reasons, like I get it.
00:21:38
Chilly
Like at the end of the day, I don't, I don't wish injury upon anybody. Like at the end of the day, I think God will, God will take care of what he needs to take care of. Like it'll come back and get you eventually.
00:21:50
Sully Shaheed
because you have the unwavering faith.
00:21:50
Chilly
Like I was.
00:21:55
Sully Shaheed
It always comes back to the unwavering faith.
00:21:56
Baker
Ha ha ha ha!
00:21:57
Chilly
yeah So, I mean, again, I, I don't wish injury upon anybody. We're no Dales out here. You know, no Dales. Uh, yeah So, ah I mean, for the city, like, it helps cushion the Guardians blow a little bit.
00:22:17
Chilly
So.
00:22:20
Chilly
But.
00:22:20
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, the Guardians did what they could, man. I'm i'm proud of that team.
00:22:23
Chilly
I mean, the Dodgers are also helping out with that, but, you know, here we are.
00:22:27
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, it's true. Baker, how did you feel about everything that transpired the week before last, again, leading up to events that happened on Sunday?
00:22:37
Baker
So I actually did cheer but not for the same reasons that other people cheered. I cheered because I got to see my favorite quarterback back. Recognizing that, uh oh, he's hurt. Yes, it is Jamis time. Not, oh shit, he's hurt. Yes, he's hurt.
00:22:53
Sully Shaheed
I respect that.
00:22:56
Baker
I mean, I didn't shed a tear over the fact that he was hurt, but my, my, my cheers were not because somebody, somebody is going to have to go through a long rehab process because As I know, two people who've had to go through the rehab process, it's not fun. And those guys are just average Joes versus, you know, professional athletes. So their rehabs were obviously a lot less glamorous, but even still just for them to get back to what they were. And so that, you know, one of them, uh, it's a long road and understanding that, that, that challenge that I wouldn't wish it upon anybody. So I just wish he would have, you know, just bowed out gracefully on his own.
Cowboys' Ongoing Issues
00:23:34
Sully Shaheed
Yeah. Yeah. Just bow out gracefully. 100% agree. 100%. All right. So next next housekeeping matter, I think we can move on from the Browns is that you know we we we still have some more trash to take out. And it's the it's the same stinky pile of trash that we spoke about last week, chill.
00:23:34
Baker
so I can see my boy, Jamis.
00:24:00
Sully Shaheed
That's the Dallas Cowboys. This, this team is ass. I mean, despite like how, how hurt can a team be? And you still can't beat them. I mean, the 49ers, you know, no CMC, Brandon Ayuk, Devo Samuel, Jordan Mason, it doesn't matter. They're all hurt and they still find a way to win. And this team can't, can't do anything.
00:24:22
Sully Shaheed
So, as the Cowboys personnel coaching, what is it? Because I feel like on paper, the team is talented.
00:24:31
Chilly
it'll always be It'll always be what it's going to be. It's a Jerry Jones problem. like and i like Everybody wants to talk about Dak and the scrutiny that guy's under. I don't think there's any quarterback in the league that would be successful in his spot right now.
00:24:53
Chilly
That defense is, that defense is horrible.
00:24:53
Sully Shaheed
What I mean?
00:24:56
Chilly
And he literally does not have a running game. The leading rusher, I mean, Brock Purdy rushed for more than the Cowboys offense.
00:25:07
Sully Shaheed
ah Why is that, Jill?
00:25:10
Chilly
okay
00:25:11
Sully Shaheed
Because you have the rushing floor.
00:25:13
Chilly
Apparently he fucking does. But I mean, when it's When it's big news that Rico Dowdle is out, that's that's not good. you know There's a running back in Tennessee who's not having a bad season. Be a good pickup.
00:25:35
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, I mean there's a running back in Baltimore that if you would have got a call.
00:25:41
Chilly
But again, like the the like I said, I don't think there's any quarterback in the league that would be having success right now where Dak Prescott's at.
00:25:50
Sully Shaheed
Uh, I want to comment on the scrutiny part, right?
00:25:51
Baker
I know I do.
00:25:53
Sully Shaheed
Because don't you think some of that is self-imposed? I mean, like he's the one that said, I want $60 million dollars a year. And so like, what else, what else can you build around that?
00:26:03
Sully Shaheed
I mean, like, of course you're going to come over scrutiny or under scrutiny but when you're, when you're paid and not producing. So like your Trevor Lawrence, obviously we went through to Sean Watson.
00:26:14
Sully Shaheed
Those guys aren't doing shit. And they're still getting paid. So of course you're going to have the scrutiny that comes with it. So why don't, why don't, why does nobody pull the Tom Brady back in the day and take pay cuts to get their boys, you know, why does nobody take sub park contracts compared to the market?
00:26:24
Chilly
I mean when you don't,
00:26:30
Chilly
i think
00:26:34
Sully Shaheed
Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, you know, whoever. to say, I want to win.
00:26:38
Chilly
big
00:26:39
Sully Shaheed
And that means you got to spend money on other guys, not like, Oh, this all revolves around me. I'm not saying don't get the bag, but if you want to win, some of the bag has to be sacrificed.
00:26:50
Sully Shaheed
Am I, am I wrong in saying this?
00:26:53
Chilly
You're not wrong, but all of those, all of those quarterbacks you named and including Dak are clearly a tier below Super Bowl caliber quarterbacks. Cause like how many Super Bowl caliber quarterbacks do you think there are in the league? i I think so. What Mahomes, I don't know how I feel about Lamar because he tends to not do well in the playoffs, but I'll give you Lamar.
00:27:24
Chilly
Josh Allen.
00:27:26
Baker
Joe Burrow.
00:27:28
Chilly
Burrow, question mark. And then yeah I think Stanford is the only NFC quarterback, because then like then you get into an argument versus Jared Goff and Brock Purdy.
00:27:30
Sully Shaheed
I mean, he's he's been there, he's been there, so I mean.
00:27:31
Baker
Stafford? Stafford? You get those, Stafford, in that conversation.
00:27:44
Chilly
where Are they good, or is the talent around them good?
00:27:50
Chilly
but like legitimate
00:27:50
Sully Shaheed
Baker, i'll lyn you I'll let you run with that after he finishes up his thought.
00:27:54
Chilly
but just legitimate like Super Bowl caliber quarterbacks like those guys elevate the players around them. These other guys don't that like that. That's just what it is. These, these other quarterbacks need the players to elevate them where Patrick Mahomes can go out there with two boxes of cereal. Uh, you could probably have the linebacker at tight end and they're still scoring 30 like, but like,
00:28:23
Chilly
I think obviously Dak should get criticized because like at the beginning of the game, he was terrible. But like when you don't have a running game, how do you how can you be successful without that part of the game? Even the Chiefs for having Patrick Mahomes always had a running game. And all of those Super Bowls, they still had some semblance of a running game.
00:28:51
Sully Shaheed
regardless your room with those thoughts.
00:28:53
Baker
or one to start with the initial point of deck though he gets some blame in my opinion there is not like the Cowboys problems are Jerry Jones based.
00:29:04
Chilly
Facts.
00:29:05
Baker
Like we're putting I'm putting 90 percent of the blame on what the the Cowboys put out on the field on Jerry Jones.
00:29:11
Chilly
Yeah. g GM Jerry Jones couldn't make the numbers work with owner Jerry Jones. Weird.
00:29:17
Baker
Exactly. Now, of that other 10%, Dak would probably be the biggest piece of it, just because he is the quarterback.
00:29:23
Chilly
I agree. I agree.
00:29:24
Baker
But, like, all right, cool. If this was 2018, he has the best 1-2 punch it at running back. And I'm a huge Dalvin Cook fan, always have been. Dalvin Cook's, like, he looked okay, I guess, at times last night, but he's not the answer.
00:29:40
Baker
Clearly Zeke's not the answer. So you don't have a running game, as Chills said. And we're not throwing to anybody else but C.D. Lane. If I know sitting on my couch on my ass that the the ball's going to 88.
00:29:55
Baker
I know that everybody on that field knows the ball going to 88. How he got open on the two plays that he scored touchdowns. Well, one, the guys ran into each other. The other one, I don't know.
00:30:01
Chilly
Correct. I mean, cause San Francisco was just playing lax coverage cause they didn't care.
00:30:03
Baker
But facts.
00:30:07
Chilly
Like, let's be real, they didn't care.
00:30:09
Baker
i mean I mean, you're not wrong. But that's the reason CD Lamb hasn't performed to up to his contract so far this year. Because there's nowhere else for this ball to go. You know, you see these other superstar receivers, the Justin Jefferson's, the Jamar Chases, the AJ Browns. There's other places for these balls to go. So though these guys are superstars, you can't just be like, oh, I can throw everything on my defensive attention at these guys. You can literally say, I'm taking away 88, do something else. And the Cowboys are stuck. So there's your second problem once you get past the GM and then their defense. I don't think I have enough time to talk about their defense.
00:30:48
Baker
I mean, I will give i will get their divas this though.
00:30:48
Chilly
Well, I mean.
00:30:51
Baker
The past two games that they played, they were out there trying. They're just not good, but they were trying now.
00:30:57
Chilly
I mean, like they need Micah. I mean, obviously, when you lose one of the best players in football. um That that obviously hurts. I believe Duran Bland is out for the year, right, is out for the year.
00:31:10
Baker
Yes, Deronk lands out for the year.
00:31:11
Chilly
I mean, you're missing two big pieces, so I'll give them the back. But like every team's hurt. So like. You shouldn't really get that excuse. But at the end of the day, the Cowboys problem will always be Jerry Jones. It'll always be a Jerry Jones problem. I don't think one year we looked and say, you know what, with all this talent, I thought Jerry did pretty good. It's not Jerry Jones wants all the credit. That's why he got rid of Jimmy Johnson. That's why he got rid of all these other people. He Jerry wants the credit. That's why he gives these the big three, the big contracts.
00:31:47
Chilly
And until they draft well, they're not going anywhere. Jaden Daniels ain't going anywhere. Philadelphia will get a new head coach soon, but they ain't going anywhere.
00:31:59
Sully Shaheed
true ju that
00:32:00
Baker
And the Giants will get a new quarterback soon and they're in Malik neighbors.
00:32:00
Sully Shaheed
yeah
00:32:03
Baker
He ain't going nowhere.
00:32:04
Chilly
Yeah, yeah. And when the Giants fired Deebol and Phil Belichick comes in, well, then the Cowboys will have a real big problem.
00:32:12
Sully Shaheed
Good point. Good point. Future, future, uh, future proofing the Cowboys here.
00:32:16
Chilly
It's a hot take.
00:32:18
Sully Shaheed
Hot take hot take. um Let's, so as much trash as we here at the DFS deli are taking out, I think it's time that we, we actually, before we take out the rest of the trash, because we still have a couple, a couple of trash pieces to take out here on the DFS deli.
00:32:34
Sully Shaheed
But let's, let's, let's add something back on the menu that we've been lacking for the majority of the season. You know who we putting back on the menu here at the DFS deli.
00:32:45
Baker
To a tongue of a lower.
00:32:46
Sully Shaheed
The Rams are back on the menu, Baker. Back from the dead Pooka Cooper cup match that all the boy, the band is back together.
00:32:56
Chilly
that That's the only team that could beat the Lions.
00:32:59
Sully Shaheed
And in a trash, in a trash, yes. And in a trash NFC West, the lion, I'm sorry, the lions have something to look out for because if the Rams F around and find their way into the playoffs, that is probably the one team offensively that can keep up with the Rams or sorry, the lions, because as we've discussed in our group chats is that I think the the lions offensively are the best team in the NFL.
00:33:27
Sully Shaheed
you from, from head to toe, you can't stop period. They're goofing around with teams for Christ sakes, literally playing with their feelings. So the Rams boys are back on the menu with the Cardinals somehow still winning games.
00:33:44
Sully Shaheed
Don't know how that's happening there.
00:33:45
Chilly
They're tied for first, the Cardinals.
00:33:47
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, exactly.
Rams' Resurgence in NFC
00:33:49
Sully Shaheed
The 49ers who are banged up to all kingdom come the Seahawks. We don't know what they are after the shellacking. They just took from Buffalo, but then the Rams go out and defend home turf against the Vikings, who was one of the hottest teams in football.
00:34:03
Sully Shaheed
Kind of put, I mean, they won by 10, but kind of work on them.
00:34:04
Chilly
Yeah, but the vikings the the Vikings still have the Lions effect. Every team that's played the Lions has lost the next game, including the Cowboys if you don't want to count the bye week.
00:34:16
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:34:17
Chilly
So every team that plays the Lions loses twice.
00:34:17
Sully Shaheed
Yep, 100% agree. whether ah so So we're saying that whoever the Titans play, ah they're they're in trouble.
00:34:25
Chilly
Oh.
00:34:30
Sully Shaheed
ah Sorry about that.
00:34:30
Chilly
Welcome back.
00:34:32
Sully Shaheed
Sorry about that.
00:34:33
Chilly
So so like if you're a betting person, you should bet New England this week.
00:34:33
Sully Shaheed
Internet goes back and forth.
00:34:34
Baker
good
00:34:40
Sully Shaheed
ah They play the Titans.
00:34:41
Chilly
Yes, sir.
00:34:43
Sully Shaheed
Well, I mean, we could have bet New England england last week cuz they play the Jets, but we ah we'll get to the Jets.
00:34:47
Chilly
Oh, get there.
00:34:48
Sully Shaheed
We'll get to the jets, but Baker, but Baker, what do you think about the the Rams back on the menu?
00:34:49
Chilly
They have a bad GM.
00:34:54
Sully Shaheed
How are we feeling about that?
00:34:55
Baker
You good? Well, one, I feel like there's more competition in the NFC potentially. Then just the Rams because I honestly think if the Falcons get a pass rusher that That defense can actually hold up against somebody I'll hold up against other teams as well because that's the biggest thing That's the biggest hole under team is they can't generate a pass rush But the Falcons can score with anybody as well in my humble opinion and that's not just due to my Kirk Cousins love I promise Promises not just because I'm a Kirk Cousins fan
00:35:23
Chilly
No, I don't think that's a bad take. I just don't think it's i just don't think they're the Rams. And like I said it at the wedding, the the Lions are the new San Francisco 49ers.
00:35:37
Baker
Was this at the wedding before or after I died?
00:35:39
Chilly
Before, for sure.
00:35:40
Baker
Okay.
00:35:42
Chilly
But the Lions are the new 49ers.
00:35:46
Chilly
Good tight end, great offensive line. i great running backs. Good. They have a number one wide receiver. Defense was good. Obviously with the loss of Hutchinson, they got to figure that out, but like they are literally the new San Francisco 49ers.
00:36:07
Sully Shaheed
Yeah. A hundred percent agree. A hundred percent. But like I said, if the Rams F round somehow make the playoffs, I'm a bet man.
00:36:17
Chilly
although the ramps Although the Rams have lost in Detroit the past two times, they've it's been close.
00:36:25
Sully Shaheed
Exactly. That's the thing. It's been close. So forget all the Cooper cup trade rumors. It ain't going to happen. McVay's all the way in with this team. We're, we're, we're back on the menu boys. The Rams are back on the menu.
00:36:37
Sully Shaheed
So, um, but yeah, any, any thoughts before we, uh, before we get the large hefty bags out?
00:36:45
Chilly
ah They are large. um Green Bay plays Detroit this week. So that ought to be a hard game to figure out.
00:36:55
Sully Shaheed
Well, that, uh, that all depends on Willis then won a bunch of people tournaments this year, make
00:36:55
Baker
Well, it's sad that Jordan Love's going to be out. I think Jordan Love's going to miss.
00:36:58
Chilly
Who cares? Malik Willis didn't look like a scrub when he played.
00:37:07
Sully Shaheed
I think we could, I think we'll talk about a Wednesday, but I think we might be loading up some Malik Willis.
00:37:11
Baker
Well, speaking of the bill speaking of the Packers ah and Malik Willis, am am i am I crazy for saying Coach of the Year right now is Matt Leflore?
00:37:12
Chilly
and that It's at Green Bay.
00:37:22
Baker
Is that crazy to say?
00:37:24
Chilly
It would be no it'd be the Washington coach.
00:37:28
Baker
Dan Campbell? That's not Dan Campbell. Wow.
00:37:34
Chilly
I just can't remember his name. who Who blew the big lead in the Super Bowl? That's that guy.
00:37:40
Sully Shaheed
Shanahan?
00:37:43
Baker
Nah, he was the head coach of Dan Quinn.
00:37:43
Sully Shaheed
Because he did too.
00:37:43
Chilly
i
00:37:47
Chilly
Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn.
00:37:49
Baker
There it is.
00:37:49
Chilly
Dan Quinn.
00:37:50
Baker
I knew it was Dan. Just got the last name wrong.
00:37:51
Chilly
But dant no, Dan would be, because nobody had the Lions or nobody had the Commies, especially if they win the East.
00:37:52
Baker
Fuck.
00:38:04
Chilly
Everybody had the Packers as a Super Bowl team. So if the commanders win the East, it's him by far.
00:38:15
Sully Shaheed
That's fair. That's fair. Um, large, hefty bag.
00:38:20
Chilly
Is it in New York?
00:38:21
Baker
How about we go into New York?
00:38:23
Sully Shaheed
No, no, because Baker only one team plays in New York and it's the fucking bills.
00:38:24
Baker
No.
00:38:29
Sully Shaheed
Okay. The giants play in New Jersey. I'm done with this shit.
00:38:33
Baker
I'm sorry.
00:38:35
Sully Shaheed
All right.
00:38:35
Baker
I'm sorry.
00:38:36
Sully Shaheed
So we're going to New Jersey.
00:38:36
Baker
But but they're the New York Jets.
00:38:39
Chilly
it
00:38:39
Baker
New York Jets, even they play in Jersey.
00:38:41
Sully Shaheed
They don't play in New York.
00:38:42
Baker
New York Jets.
00:38:43
Sully Shaheed
Buffalo is the only team in New York. Damn it.
00:38:45
Chilly
There's not enough city for their stadium, bro.
00:38:46
Sully Shaheed
Any. They're not enough.
00:38:51
Sully Shaheed
The Jets.
00:38:52
Baker
I mean, well well, here's the thing. like like A lot of people from New York talk about Jersey being, I'm saying, like the the lesser of the area. So it makes sense that the Jets play there because they're just lesser
00:39:01
Sully Shaheed
both the New York teams that don't play in New York suck, but we knew the Giants were going to suck freaking Aaron Rodgers did all this bullshit to get all the pieces that he wanted. Got his coach fired, got his boy at receiver who ain't done nothing in the last two games that he's been there. So it's like that team is trash and watching them lose to new England.
00:39:23
Sully Shaheed
was the cherry on top. This team got boat raced by another trash team in the AMC South the week before. And you come out and lose to not Drake May, not Drake May, the black Jacobi Brissett.
00:39:35
Chilly
They had the cheap shot them.
00:39:39
Sully Shaheed
You lost to Jacobi Brissett. So what that team sucks.
00:39:45
Sully Shaheed
They suck.
00:39:45
Chilly
They had the cheap shot.
00:39:46
Chilly
They had the cheap shot Drake may take them out.
00:39:48
Sully Shaheed
Right, right, the fuck. That team is, that team is done. The whole division is done. I mean, it's it's approaching week nine coming up and the bills could clinch the division by week 10. That's how bad this division is.
Jets' Underwhelming Season
00:40:05
Sully Shaheed
So, and and the jets are the number one fucking culprit of it because we all had, not we all, not we here in the deli, not, not we, we, but the media had them pegged as this team that can contend with the freaking chiefs who are still undefeated by hooker, by crook. I know there's just clowning around right now, but.
00:40:25
Sully Shaheed
Still, this team has no offensive flow. Their defense is still with that was supposed to be like they're saving grace.
00:40:33
Baker
the strength.
00:40:34
Sully Shaheed
but That's what kept them in games last year. But now they're just gone again. You lose to Jacobi Brissett. it might be time to reevaluate some things.
00:40:45
Sully Shaheed
So Baker, what is this jet team going to do? What can they do? If anything to turn this season around, because this is looking like Utah.
00:40:56
Sully Shaheed
I want to talk about bad trades. Obviously the Watson trade is the worst thing in NFL history.
00:41:02
Sully Shaheed
You got Russell Wilson was up there.
00:41:04
Chilly
Russ a second.
00:41:07
Sully Shaheed
This Aaron Rodgers thing ain't looking too great either. So what what, what can they do, man? What can they actually do?
00:41:15
Baker
I mean, there ain't nothing they can do. The only thing they can do is be better. Like, find a way to be better. And I'm not sure if they have that within their arsenal. But that's the only thing they can do. I don't see what else they can do. They've made all the traces they can make. They brought in the guys. They got rid of the guy. Like, do your job better than what you're doing. to That's the only way to make this better. And Aaron Rodgers is 40.
00:41:42
Baker
like
00:41:44
Chilly
is washed.
00:41:46
Baker
Like he's not getting any younger, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you can still throw the ball. You still, you know what I'm saying? You're really smart, but your body probably just can't do some of the things that it used to be able to do. You turn back the clock for one day, you know what I'm saying? When he was out there running around on Monday night football, looking like vintage Aaron Rodgers. And then Father Tom said, hold on, slow down.
00:42:07
Baker
Like we're like you're you're not doing this every week, you're just not. You have your boy here, you're still not doing this every week, this whole running around and scrambling and flicking it, just a flick of the wrist, all that fun stuff, you can't do it. You haven't gotten a connection with Garrett Wilson. Somehow you've forgotten, like the they couldn't, they had one of the worst run blocking units last year and Breeze Hall still beasted. Somehow with Aaron Rodgers, Breeze Hall's gotten worse. Make that make sense.
00:42:37
Sully Shaheed
Right. I mean, you would think a team on paper with Devontae Adams, Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, and Rogers would be basically the same team as the Rams with Kyron Puca and Cooper cup and Matt Stafford.
00:42:49
Sully Shaheed
They're basically built the exact same way, but yet the Rams are fluent on offense and the jets. Well, one is coached by Sean McVay and the other one's not.
00:42:58
Baker
Smart. He's hashtag smart.
00:42:59
Chilly
Well, I mean, like you got to remember too.
00:42:59
Sully Shaheed
Yeah.
00:43:01
Chilly
Um, I mean over the past probably like what five, six years in the NFL, like offensive head coaches do a lot better than defensive head coaches.
00:43:12
Chilly
I mean, that's statistically proven in today's current NFL. So I mean, pretty except.
00:43:17
Sully Shaheed
Uh, I raised you that comment and bring you Sean McDermott.
00:43:22
Chilly
Okay. But how many super bowls has he been in?
00:43:28
Sully Shaheed
I mean, how many two roles have other teams besides the chiefs been in like this?
00:43:32
Chilly
zero Yeah, but Sean McVay but not but it's all offensive coaches Syriani offensive coach Sean McVay is before Belichick when Belichick lost Brady.
00:43:37
Baker
here. Bill Belichick.
00:43:44
Chilly
Where was he at?
00:43:47
Baker
And the playoffs.
00:43:47
Chilly
Bruce Arian Yeah, yeah and that quarterback backs up another shitty quarterback
00:43:49
Baker
He was in a playoffs his first year.
00:43:59
Chilly
So like, again, like your only defensive ad coaches that are kind of experiencing success is Tomlin and McDermott.
00:44:00
Sully Shaheed
a True.
00:44:05
Sully Shaheed
True.
00:44:09
Chilly
But like both of them have issues like Tomlin could never get the quarterback and the offensive line. Right. McDermott could have never found a running game.
00:44:19
Sully Shaheed
He's got Tomlin has two quarterbacks now.
00:44:21
Chilly
Well, now, yeah, I'm just saying before.
00:44:24
Sully Shaheed
Two. He's got two.
00:44:26
Sully Shaheed
I mean, come on.
00:44:26
Baker
Well, isn't the old Andage, if you have two, you have none?
00:44:29
Chilly
Back in the day, yes, yes.
00:44:30
Sully Shaheed
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, not unless you play for the Pittsburgh freaking Steelers.
00:44:34
Chilly
But ah to get back to Aaron Rodgers, it just proves that like talent, all that talent doesn't win in the NFL. Because like the jets um the Jets on paper won the most talented teams in football.
00:44:48
Baker
Absolutely.
00:44:49
Chilly
like So it just proves that talent doesn't win. like You need this other stuff. Aaron Rodgers has never been a good leader. He's just been really good at quarterback. He's making the Hall of Fame. Like what?
00:44:59
Chilly
But.
00:45:00
Sully Shaheed
Of course, yeah yes.
00:45:00
Chilly
But, by you know, it just all that talent, I mean, but sadly, they still have a chance to make the playoffs.
00:45:00
Baker
Yeah, first melee.
00:45:02
Sully Shaheed
Yes.
00:45:10
Baker
Very small chance.
00:45:10
Chilly
I mean, no, no, I mean, this happened two years ago to Jacksonville Jaguars for two and six and it ended up winning the division. So Tennessee was like 73 that year, two years ago, 2022.
00:45:24
Chilly
So like da it's not like that history is super old. so But yeah, GM Aaron Rodgers literally has nobody to blame but itself.
00:45:34
Chilly
Literally kind of called out his defense low key saying, we've got to score 30 points. But that's just on us as an offense.
00:45:41
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, low key.
00:45:42
Chilly
Yeah, OK.
00:45:43
Sully Shaheed
That was high key, bro.
00:45:45
Chilly
So like i mean I mean, the Jets right now are the only team in the NFL who haven't scored above 25 points, I think.
00:45:45
Sully Shaheed
He's literally put him on blast.
00:45:55
Chilly
What's the stat?
00:45:57
Sully Shaheed
Still sad when you have those offensive weapons, like period. it's not It's not acceptable.
00:46:00
Chilly
Yeah, it's not acceptable.
00:46:01
Sully Shaheed
It's not acceptable.
00:46:03
Chilly
But we also don't know if Breece Hall is that good.
00:46:10
Chilly
like we
00:46:10
Sully Shaheed
He could be, it doesn't have to be some superstar, but he's, he's proven he's at minimum, at minimum serviceable.
00:46:16
Sully Shaheed
And behind again, those ride receivers, all you need to do in that office to be serviceable.
00:46:16
Chilly
i
00:46:21
Chilly
Yeah, I mean, like he's like the other kid has looked more serviceable than him, Alan.
00:46:28
Sully Shaheed
Yeah. But I mean, you could say the same thing about the bills too. Like Ray Davis is a monster. And so is James cook, like it was cooking.
00:46:33
Chilly
Hi, James. Hi, James Cook. He kind of strapped up yesterday. Yeah, he was cooking.
00:46:38
Sully Shaheed
It's cooking a little bit.
00:46:38
Chilly
He was cooking a little bit.
00:46:38
Sully Shaheed
He's cooking.
00:46:40
Chilly
ah i mean He was cooking, though.
00:46:40
Baker
All right, you're making a pun on his name because his last name's Cook and then you're saying he's cooking. I see what you did there.
00:46:45
Sully Shaheed
He's better than his brother, Baker.
00:46:47
Baker
Well, his brother's a lot older and his brother's been doing it a long time.
00:46:49
Sully Shaheed
He's cookin'.
00:46:51
Chilly
Yeah. But no, I mean, Aaron Rodgers has nobody left to blame. So, you know, he's going into the darkness. He's been there before. So now,
00:47:01
Baker
Back to his darkness retreat.
00:47:03
Chilly
man, no those were that was ah that was an Aaron Rodgers quote.
00:47:07
Baker
Oh, he literally said that.
00:47:09
Chilly
Oh, yeah, he quoted that. Yeah, he literally said that.
00:47:10
Baker
Oh, oh.
00:47:11
Chilly
You could look it up on the old X.
00:47:14
Sully Shaheed
the The retreat is definitely in East Rutherford, period. He's already in the darkness with the jets.
00:47:19
Baker
Lord Jesus.
00:47:20
Sully Shaheed
It's so bad. It's so bad. um As we as you wrap up here, because there's there's still a little bit of housekeeping, of course, because there's more there's a little bit more trash that we here at the DFS Deli had to take out.
00:47:33
Sully Shaheed
but what's already in the trash that will not be mentioned on this particular podcast outside of me saying this, the Panthers, you're trash.
00:47:42
Baker
Trash.
00:47:43
Sully Shaheed
We, we, we've already established that the Titans, you're trash.
00:47:46
Baker
Tighten up.
00:47:49
Sully Shaheed
I mean, just deal with it. There's nothing that you, you, you all, all these teams that are about to be mentioned are in the four key category of the NFL. Okay.
00:48:00
Sully Shaheed
You're literally trash. The saints, your trash, just kind of deal with it. You know, there's nothing more we could say about that. And, um, and we can elaborate on this team here in a second because I'm getting a little tired and so is their quarterback with the Colts. You're trash. Period. You're trash. You're absolute trash. If a quarterback comes out and says he's tired,
00:48:31
Sully Shaheed
And that's the check. Like that's another QB situation where the literal backup is probably if not proven better than the starter, like the Colts should just, if they think they have a talented enough roster to make a playoff push, this is the time where you just say, listen, man, Flacco, you're the guy Anthony Richardson. I think it's, you know, I'm just going to say it he's trash.
00:48:58
Sully Shaheed
like any resistance trash. I get it. He's young. He's an athlete, but at the quarterback position, I think the guy sucks. So, so what are the Colts going to do? They, they face an, they face an interesting conundrum as it were. So what are we going to do in Indianapolis? What are we going to do?
00:49:21
Chilly
I mean, if you're the Colts, you either write it like it depends on what you want to do, right? Like if you want to make the playoffs and you probably have to start Joe Flacco, especially after your quarterback comes out like he took himself out on third down in the red zone.
00:49:42
Chilly
Like in a crucial part of the game, because like they could have won that game. And like He got blitzed a lot by Houston. What's going to happen to him on Sunday night football with the team that blitzes the most?
00:50:03
Chilly
So like if he was tired, then woo we he's going to be tired on Sunday night. But like if you're the Colts, you ride it out and see what you got.
Colts' Quarterback Dilemma
00:50:13
Chilly
um Or if you want to make the playoffs, you bench them, you put in Flacco and Like at the end of the day, like you cut your losses on Richardson. Like again, the shelf life, the shelf life for quarterbacks right now in the NFL is like, you get a year and a half now. Like when we were younger, it was like, you've got like three years as a starter. Well, because like all these people that play quarterback now, like you have so much training and you literally been playing quarterback since you're like 10 years old. Like you literally get a year and a half.
00:50:52
Chilly
Like up until Thanksgiving, like if you don't got it, you're done. Like Bryce Young made it a year in one game. He ain't never starting again.
00:51:03
Chilly
Like ah unless if he's.
00:51:04
Sully Shaheed
He started on Sunday.
00:51:07
Chilly
Yeah, because because Andy Dalton got into a car accident like.
00:51:11
Sully Shaheed
I know, I know, but still he's as, as the named starter.
00:51:13
Chilly
Poor guy.
00:51:16
Sully Shaheed
Yes. I a hundred percent agree.
00:51:17
Chilly
Like you, ah like you wrote, and unless of, unless if you get paired with the right coach and a lot of this is pairing with the right coach, you know, like Gino and like Baker Mayfield, they're outliers to, to these conversations.
00:51:18
Sully Shaheed
He's he's cool.
00:51:32
Chilly
But, you know, look where they each landed. Like Gino landed with Pete Carroll. I think Pete was still coaching and that helped.
00:51:41
Sully Shaheed
Mm hmm.
00:51:42
Chilly
Plus he had two great wide receivers. good old line good running back Baker Mayfield this took over for Tom Brady with Hall of Fame wide receivers the god great offensive line like he couldn't live they literally went to two perfect teams so like they're outliers but if you're the Colts like I haven't seen anything all this dude does is run the ball
00:52:07
Chilly
And he's injury prone. So to me, I think that experiment should be done, especially after this last comment. Like, dude, you're a pro athlete. I'm going to try that tomorrow during my training. Hey, guys. Tired. Let's sit this one out. Be back at 10.
00:52:29
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, I think I'm gonna do that in the middle of game two on bowling on Thursday. All right guys, I'm gonna take myself out this frame.
00:52:34
Chilly
Tired. Yeah.
00:52:37
Sully Shaheed
i know I know it's the ninth frame and we're we're down by 10. Nah, I'm good. I'm going to go ahead and take myself out.
00:52:41
Chilly
Yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it during whirly ball season. I'm tired. Just walk off the court.
00:52:49
Sully Shaheed
Baker, what are the Colts going to do, man? but we What is we going to do?
00:52:54
Baker
I think the bigger thing in my humble opinion is, you know, there used to be a point in time where quarterbacks always sat and they, the league got like, the league just got away from that from contract reasons to, you know, we want to see it right away.
00:53:07
Baker
We're a, you know, a, we have, we want that instant gratification, but we've also seen in recent his, in recent years, people sitting to, uh, to a, and there goes something again.
00:53:19
Baker
Hey, he's back again.
00:53:20
Chilly
He's coming back.
00:53:24
Baker
you good okay it's okay it's okay oh it's okay well what I was saying was you know I don't understand like why we've gotten away so much from the fact of letting people sit when it's clear they need to sit
00:53:27
Sully Shaheed
Sorry, I don't know what it is with this connection stuff tonight. um I apologize. Please ah attempt to resume your thought.
00:53:46
Baker
Cuz even though Drake made it in seat sit for long the Patriots original plan was for the man to sit Patrick Mahomes is a key is a huge big factor of sitting Drake may or not Drake made during love set Aaron Rodgers set all like there' there's a proven track record of Quarterback sitting for a while and being more successful than there is from you just throwing them in Because of the fact that you spent a high draft pickle
00:54:12
Chilly
So my counter argument to that is minus Drake may and I guess maybe you could even it you could probably debate this with them Like all those quarterbacks you named went to really good franchises like not even from a football perspective But from like how they're run No
00:54:32
Baker
I mean I can agree with that. Now I don't think that the Colts are the best run situation but I think their head coach is a innovative enough coach to the point where he's like he can he is but he's not going to try to force a round peg into a square hole. He's going to make his system around you.
00:54:49
Baker
So if you are able to perform, he's going to put the pieces around you and try to build the offense around you in the best way possible. What we've seen so far is Anthony Richardson, whether he's good or not good, he's not ready for the NFL right now.
00:55:03
Chilly
i just don't think I don't think he would have ever been ready for an NFL. like To me, the Colts are so big play dependent. like If they don't get a 30-yard play in their possession, they're punting. They are literally punting. and like I just don't think he can make the throws. Accuracy is not something you can coach.
00:55:25
Baker
And you're right about that. But the reason, and the reason I bring up the Shane stiking part is that they weren't a big play dependent team last year. They were able to march down the field. What Gardner mentioned.
00:55:36
Baker
Hence the reason Michael Pittman had such a huge year last year because of the fact that the system was allowing that to happen.
00:55:42
Chilly
because he can make the throws.
00:55:43
Baker
And like I said, and Anthony Richardson is just not there right now. Now, can you like, can you coach up accuracy? Some, some say yes, some will say no. My biggest point in proving that accuracy can be improved would be Jalen Hurts. Is he still the most accurate? No, but he's gotten extreme. He's gotten very much so better from the time he started to where he is now. And Shane Steichen is a huge part of in helping hoping to coach that up in Jalen Hurts' development.
00:56:10
Chilly
Well, Jalen Hertz had one of the best offensive lines in NFL history, so that helps.
00:56:15
Baker
I mean, the Colts have a great offensive line.
00:56:17
Chilly
Yeah, but it wasn't as good as those Colts lines back in the day, or the Eagles lines back in the day. But like my argument to you is like, Anthony Richardson right now is Deshawn Watson. He can't run the offense.
00:56:28
Baker
And he needs he needs to say he needs to sit.
00:56:30
Chilly
He can't run the offense.
00:56:32
Baker
He I 100% agree with both of you. He needs to sit.
00:56:35
Chilly
I don't think he needs to sit. I just think he sucks. I just think that dude sucks. I don't think he's got it.
00:56:46
Sully Shaheed
This struggle is so real with Stincaster tonight.
00:56:48
Chilly
But like, I just don't I just don't think he's got it. I don't. Like, you know, we'll see like the next quarterback who's sitting is Michael Penix. But like. If Michael Penix comes into the fold, like what he's like coming into, he's going to have great tight end, great wide receiver.
00:57:07
Chilly
good running back like I ain't saying the Falcons are the most like structurally sound organization but there's very like not a lot of issues there but like all these other guys you named like like look at all of these quarterbacks who struggle and the franchises they played for all these franchises suck
00:57:29
Baker
I mean, but even like so even taking the Baker Mayfield and Gino Smith, for example Baker Mayfield was pretty was was actually not half bad in Cleveland You're right, but he like him personally was not half bad in Cleveland He left Cleveland the Panthers suck and and say he backed up for the Rams for half for half a season
00:57:36
Chilly
Yeah, but the Browns suck.
00:57:41
Sully Shaheed
ah
00:57:45
Chilly
the the The Panthers are a horribly run organization, even with their new owner. They suck.
00:57:51
Baker
But my point, my point being is the fact that Baker still at one point in time for hip, like there's a, there's a sizable gap from where he left Cleveland to where he is right now. There's a point in time where he had to sit.
00:58:03
Baker
That's the only point I'm bringing up is the fact that he had to sit. And in that though, yes, he he found himself in a better situation,
Quarterback Development Insights
00:58:10
Baker
but he still had to sit for a minute and then got benched for the Panthers.
00:58:10
Chilly
didn't really sit though. He started for the Panthers.
00:58:16
Chilly
And then, but like then he matured. Like that's, that's not something NFL related. He matured as a person started for the Rams off the plane, won that game, I do believe.
00:58:30
Baker
He did.
00:58:32
Chilly
But like it's a mature, Baker Mayfield was a maturity thing.
00:58:37
Baker
But even
00:58:37
Chilly
And if the Browns, if the Browns would have benched him when he shattered his shoulder, he'd still be here.
00:58:47
Baker
but even with gino smith and this is why I bring them both up, Geno Smith,
00:58:50
Chilly
Gino played for the Jets who suck.
00:58:52
Baker
But my point is the fact that he had to sit for years. He sat for years. And once he got another opportunity, he was in a better, I feel like he was just in a better position.
00:59:00
Chilly
With a good organization though.
00:59:03
Baker
He was just in a better position as well though for himself from sitting.
00:59:06
Chilly
Yeah, but like again, like if Gino wouldn't went to the Panthers, is he is he what he is now? No. He went to a good organization. like That matters. he started He started for the Jets.
00:59:18
Sully Shaheed
where here's the thing.
00:59:18
Baker
Well, the same thing.
00:59:19
Sully Shaheed
Here's the thing.
00:59:21
Baker
this Well, the same organization, and here and I'll end it on this, the same organization that the Panthers are right now, that same that same offensive coordinator is the key reason for both Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield's macerations.
00:59:36
Baker
Because he was the head coach in Seattle and in freaking Tampa for both of their turnarounds, is the head coach in in freaking for the Carolina Panthers right now.
00:59:45
Chilly
Yeah, but it's proven it's proven right now in tampa it's proven right now in Tampa Bay that that doesn't matter.
00:59:45
Baker
So but so the coach matters.
00:59:50
Chilly
Baker Mayfield still out here slinging it to bums.
00:59:56
Sully Shaheed
Don't you dare disrespect K dot no national tight end date.
00:59:58
Chilly
That was yesterday.
00:59:59
Baker
It's no longer National Titan Day.
01:00:01
Chilly
That was yesterday.
01:00:02
Sully Shaheed
I know that's what I'm saying. That's it. That's the only person that was catch touchdowns from the mother. But anyway, I'll end it with saying this is that, the um, I think that people, organizations are so impatient nowadays and don't want to do the sitting route because they want to catch. Do you have it or do you not early? They want to see CJ shroud. They want to see Jane Daniels. They want to see Bo Nicks. They want to see these guys just get thrust it in and be like, either you got it or you don't deal with it. They don't want to take projects anymore. So it's either, yeah, you got a year and a half.
01:00:35
Sully Shaheed
Basically, because if it was like it was maybe four or five years ago, you know, who's not playing in the NFL right now? Josh Allen. Cause that dude was ass the first year and a half.
01:00:44
Chilly
he was
01:00:45
Sully Shaheed
So they didn't wait and be patient with him. Then we wouldn't have what he, he wouldn't be what he is today. So I think that there's other projects out there that you'd be like, listen, we'll give you ah the three years or we let you sit.
01:00:59
Sully Shaheed
It's got to be one of the two because not everybody's CJ Stroud, not everybody's Jane Daniels, not everybody's these guys.
01:01:02
Chilly
that yeah That three-year thing is dead. like That thing is dead.
01:01:08
Sully Shaheed
ah So when someone's got to suck it up, someone's got to suck it up and say, listen, we're going to be ass for the next three years until you are the quarterback.
01:01:08
Chilly
That's never going to happen.
01:01:16
Sully Shaheed
Damn it. And until then I'm not going to spend draft capital, other draft capital, other trade after draft capital to say, we need to find our guy.
01:01:24
Chilly
Like, as a GM, I would draft a quarterback every year.
01:01:25
Sully Shaheed
Just wait. Just be patient.
01:01:31
Chilly
Doesn't have to be a high draft pick, but I would draft a quarterback every year.
01:01:36
Sully Shaheed
Do the commies thing and go RG3 and Kirk Cousins.
01:01:40
Chilly
you But, like, I'm just saying, like, if you're Cincinnati and Joe Burrow gets hurt again, wouldn't you draft one?
01:01:53
Chilly
But like I would draft a QB every year, ah unless if you have you know the big three or big four. Not even the big four, because I would go with three right now.
01:02:04
Sully Shaheed
Yeah, we're debating. We're debating. But, um, as, as my internet continues to struggle, I'm gonna go ahead and, uh, we got, we got, I think we got all the trash out for we gate. Um, you know, a little, a little, uh, key shout out to the bear secondary y'all trash too. Uh,
01:02:21
Sully Shaheed
I like to thank everybody for joining us here on the DFS deli tonight. Don't forget to tune in on Wednesday. Hopefully that's a whatever technical issues I'm going through. We'll clear up by then and don't forget to get that. Don't forget to hit that like and subscribe on the way out. So thanks for joining us for chill for Baker. I've been your boy Sully and we're going to go ahead and close up the shop. See you next time.