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Episode 4: Ironically, James Bond
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Join Michael + Shelly as they talk with Ryan about the James Bond franchise, the weirdest trivia Ryan knows, and celebrity spies. We take plenty of winding paths through topics of conversation, all to reveal Ryan's root. Follow along with us and check out more episodes at https://linktr.ee/yourrootsareshowingpod
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00:00:01
Speaker
Thank you.
Introduction to 'Your Rooter Showing'
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Speaker
Hello, howdy, howdy, hi. Why does it do this every time? Okay. Hello, howdy, hi, hi. um Welcome to Your Rooter Showing, the podcast where Michael and I talk about being unapologetically queer, as well as the moments that got us and our guests guests to where we are.
Guest Introduction: Ryan's Queer Journey
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Speaker
Today we're going to talk with folks about their first inklings of a notion that they were queer or a moment that was like hindsight
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when hindsight was 20-20, or something in between all of those things. So with that in mind, today we're going to be talking with Ryan. Ryan's here. Hello. Howdy. Hello. So before you came on the show, Ryan, we had you dig deep into your root system, and you and identified one of your queer roots as, and I'm putting this in air quotes,
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ironically the james bond franchise that is true it's yes i i find it deeply funny that one of the straightest uh most hyper masculine and misogynist things out there really kind of helped me figure it all out Well, I just want you to know that I am the child of a James Bond aficionado.
00:01:57
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My mom, Pam. Shout out to Pam. um And so I'm like super excited about this conversation. And I have so many Bond memories that I'm just going to like try not to scream out.
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um But what I would love for you to do is just give us a little taste of that first moment you... had with James Bond was he in tiny shorts emerging from the water because ah see I was Pierce Brosnan was my first Bond no no now you're daniel young Daniel Craig and the the the little skimpy blue yeah I mean that was when I was 15 when Casino Royale came out so that was something for me but i ah So my the the movies were really how I kind of navigated and discovered my own sexuality. I myself am a bi or pan, basically be anybody's fair game. I remember my first celebrity crush period, the first time I ever realized people were attractive was Cameron Diaz in The Mask.
00:02:55
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Oh, yes. She's so hot in that. Oh, my gosh. Perfect. Her chest in that movie, like, I think I... Every dress she wore in that movie, she was just voluptuous. She was like Jessica Rabbit. typically known happy she's not typically known for being like like ah like a voluptuous person, but who the costume designer in that movie?
00:03:17
Speaker
Defying physics. I was super into the bald guy. I think he was related to the Wicked Witch of the West. i think they're related. The green one. The green guy. Big head. in Are we still talking about the mask? Yeah. I'm pretty sure there's a there's a bald guy that's green in that show, Shelley. Well, I mean, when he puts on the mask, he becomes that low-key character. Thickening. Just thinking about that guy. Stop it.
00:03:39
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i'll write you okay so so then for you ryan first inklings of james bond etc yes pierce brosnan absolutely by daniel grigg looking looking back pierce brosnan was probably the first person that made me realize it because he's just he's just like very classically handsome he's a people's sexiest man alive winner so like not a controversial opinion But I was just really kind of taken with it. you know as ah As a young boy, like there's there's cool gadgets. there's ah There's beautiful women. There's beautiful men, I would find out later looking back. It just, the franchise, including the video games and more, they were just they were just neat. I was drawn in. I consumed every bit of media I could with them.
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And like i remember you know you know playing James Bond, so to speak, when you're a kid and you're running around having your own little adventures and anything. But like looking back, ah I had a friend that i would play James Bond with.
00:04:45
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And, you know, we we were probably 9, 10 something like that. But looking back, We did some real gay shit together. i love this. um it was and you know it was It's the equivalent of you know if you keep your socks on, it's not gay. it turns out at that that age, if you tuck your lips in, it's not really kissing. so i like Looking back, I remember that. and That's the biggest thing that
Ryan's Personal Growth and Identity
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stands out to me. like How did I try to suppress this all these years and not realize it or not acknowledge it?
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well so and so Looking at ah pi Pierce Brosnan is just beautiful. yeah His hair is perfectly manicured. he has a an icy coolness to him. You know, the stuff that got him Remington Steel on on TV in the eighty s And it's just, it's that effortless kind of cool and charm, wit. there's There's a whole different level of camp when it comes to straight people. And it often shows in action movies. Yeah. um And James Bond is full of those. All the cheesy one-liners. The yeah the terrible puns for, ah the like, the names of the Bond girls. Oh, yeah. Like, it's camp.
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It's not like, you know, capital C camp, but it's right there. And I feel like that also kind of informed my sense of humor. And like, I was really drawn to that. I got why it was silly as a kid.
00:06:13
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. Well, thank you so much for that little um pre-dinner aperitif. I want to say shaken, not stirred. um So introduce us. Tell us anything that you feel like we need to know. You kind of already hit on some of the details about you, including, but you know, tell us how you know either of us.
00:06:34
Speaker
even though we just met. um What pronouns do you use? All the things. And then we'll start at the start. Sure. ah So my name is Ryan. ah He, him pronouns. I am by or pan. Again, anybody's kind of fair game in that sense. Michael, I just met you about 13, 14 minutes ago. Shelly, I have feels weird to say I've known you for probably 10 years now.
00:07:05
Speaker
It's been longer than that. Mallory and I were talking, you started doing trivia, like what, in 20? The venue where you played, i definitely think it was, I think it was 2015. I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. So we, yeah. yeah Okay. So yeah, just at 10 years. And I cannot believe that. That's wild. I just hosted Trivia last night on Tuesday. And there, I realized there are three teams there that I've been playing with for that long.
00:07:33
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Or they've been coming to for, you know, my product, for lack of a better word. it's crazy to say I've grown with you all. You knew me when I was a different person in many senses.
00:07:44
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I mean, right. You, yeah. Like, uh, And I always, and I've always loved you. I've always loved you. You knew me when I. Because you're just That's never changed. You knew me when I was in the worst relationship of my life. You knew me when I was about 80 pounds heavier than I was now. You knew me when I was far more immature. you know, I'm glad I'm not that person anymore. I was, I was not taking care of myself. and people like you have have really helped foster that growth i i moving moving here to wichita kansas allowed me to really grow into the person i am now and i love the person i am now still a sassy bitch yeah you're still a sassy bitch and we also all love you so like yeah i haven't yeah i'm gone to trivia now
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and What are you doing later? Yeah, right? um Being in Denver. oh so far away. We've all been that desperate before, so I get it.
00:08:47
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There was a guy in Italy. i walked i walked like a mile and a half in a city I didn't know. And yeah it was great. so There you go. So you mentioned coming to Wichita, helping you sort of through a time. what was your original, like where are What was that OG community?
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um What was... so I little Ryan tell us about little little Ryan little Ryan maybe and maybe even who introduced you to Bond or how you came about yeah um so I was born and raised in in Denver actually uh and then my dad got a job out in Kansas City so we moved here when I was in like first grade so i consider
Family Influence and Coming Out Journey
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myself like a like a kansas city person growing up did all of my schooling there uh went to college at kansas state university and then in 2014 i moved to wichita for a relationship and i really i've been in wichita since then and i consider myself a wichitan uh i have you know
00:09:52
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core and and fond memories of the previous places but Wichita is the place I identify with most so I've been here going on 12 years now and i just I adore it I think the city is so underrated it feels like it's ah the thing i always say to new people is it does kind of show how but behind the times we can be but I do feel like the city is generally moving in the right direction all the time Yeah, I graduated from Friends. And um so I was all of my like fondest college years. Met Shelly there. Came back and taught there. But for me, like the people...
00:10:36
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in wichita and just like the the the humanity um the the people are the thing that i'm just like uh like i've lived you know lawrence kansas city denver um different liberals in liberal kansas liberal um and wichita you just it's just usually i don't know it's comfortable i don't feel denver's a close second because it's you can still like look at somebody who's doing something and be like oh that's really cool or like you can you talk to somebody. um
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Going back to that, like, your community that you grew up in what was the vibe there? ah So, I grew up in what I feel is a very classic kind of Kansas or suburban Kansas household, which is you grow up with parents that are ah socially liberal, economic or fiscally conservative, you know. um And so that that informed my my politics and my sense of with the world for a long time ah was not like sheltered necessarily, but definitely. looking back, had a lot of privilege that meant I didn't need to really worry about a lot of things. And that that's a lot of the worst traits that I have shed over the years were definitely rooted in that. So it would make sense in a way that I was kind of drawn to the Bond franchise because it is
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ah up until more recently a fairly conservative franchise especially if you look at it you look at it politically to the the villains were always the kgb every single time yeah um yeah it's the way the way the the series looks and views at women throughout most of it it's very conservative in its approach So like, I wouldn't say conservative. yeah I would say say misogynist. yeah You're correct. there's James Bond does take off the bikini top of a woman and then strangle her with it in order to get details out of her.
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That's resourcefulness. Yeah, that's crafty. and That's thrift. Yeah. If she didn't want that to happen, she shouldn't have worn it. Yeah, right? You'd be careful. You can run for office with something like that. Yeah, right? So if your parents um and like the community you grew up in was um like like culturally liberal yeah right and fiscally conservative, would you say that... like an ability to explore sexuality was something that you were able to do or was it one of those things that was just not talked about yeah it wasn't really something that we talked about my parents had to know on some level from a young age uh you know internet browser history had me asking questions and you know looking at pictures of like leonardo di capri and mark walberg How do I delete my internet history? Exactly. Well, so before I knew how to delete it, I just knew about recent searches. And so I just type in searches that looked normal ah to clear it out of like the 10 most recent search things. I know. And it's like, I knew it was like being queer was something that we might not have been okay with necessarily. um But, you know, this was at the time in which I was discovering this, it was, you know, like post nine eleven Bush era America, we were starting the slide to fascism. And we were, you know, worried about preserving every kind of value, because yeah I think for a lot of people, it felt like the first time America was actually under attack.
00:14:18
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So yeah i it it wasn't something we talked about. um the ah My mom was always a little more sensitive about those things. She never wanted to play bad cop when it came to the relationship. So my dad was always the disciplinarian in that sense. and so we kind of bowed to like that his more like strict. He was raised by like a Vietnam veteran. so ah like like very like kind of like strict, like conservative, eastern Colorado, which is basically western Kansas kind of yeah sense of things. And I go to my mom. So my mom was always the person who was more comforting in that sense. And to her, and I remember i went i went to her bedroom and i
00:15:06
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I sat down in a chair and I told her that I was bisexual and she was just, so Oh God, I think I was probably 15 or 16. Okay. And she, her response was just, are you sure? Are you sure you're not just like looking for other options because girls aren't paying attention to you right now.
00:15:26
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And i kind of just clammed up and i just, I shoved that down until college when I was free to think and explore myself. And I told her that she where, sorry, yeah where did you go to college? Kansas State University, which is yeah a more conservative one. But yeah, I just I liked i liked ah purple.
00:15:48
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I liked ah ah they were better for what I was interested in I knew people that were going there. Yeah, and it was a good time. I have no regrets going there. I honestly thought for like the majority of my high school years that I was going to go to K-State because purple is my favorite color. um So much so that one day after school, I went to Ace Hardware and bought like that wildcat purple um and painted one wall in my bedroom that color. Oh boy. Accent walls. Accent walls. And we're talking like 1996. Ooh, that's pre-accent wall trend.
00:16:25
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Yeah, girl. um Anyway, I got in so much trouble for that. And I thought I was going to go to K-State because I love purple. And then my dad and I visited the school and I was like, no, I don't think so. It's a little heavy on the ag folks. so it So it is a little more conservative than most college campuses.
00:16:44
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So sorry I ended up at, you know, Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU. I would have thrived had I been there. Yes, you would have. But i you know I drove down to Lawrence all the time when I was in high school. it was only a half hour away, and yeah i could go on go go to Love Garden.
00:17:01
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Shout out to yeah my music most beloved record store. yeah So your mom was your... Your kind of comfort in some ways, but also your first coming out and then repressing. Yeah. Yeah. it Out of the closet. And I knew that that wasn't the case. I knew i wasn't just looking for options because women weren't giving me
Evolving Views on Sexuality and Acceptance
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attention. i you know, i I dated casually through high school, bounced between two or three people generally.
00:17:28
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Um, and I just was like, okay, whatever. I'm just going to keep this inside. Um, and then, you know, early 2010s in this case, uh, same sex marriage, hot button topic, of course. And I remember before really coming and acknowledging who I was, uh, my sense of being okay with it was, uh, uh, just kind of that,
00:17:54
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privileged kind of apathy where I was just like dude I don't care if they do I just wish they'd stop talking about it God just let them and then ah then just let them do it like God if it gets them to stop talking and then looking back I'm like oh that was stupid Ryan yeah Well, but I think that's one of those things like that was, that can still be divisive in the queer community. Like definitely is marriage something that queer folks want legitimately or is marriage something that the like heteronormative population has?
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And so we want that too. It's like minute society's way of showing and expressing love. It's a tax break. Yeah. It is. I can absolutely see it. It's like I saw I saw someone talking recently about ah the concept of straight couples being open.
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Speaker
And they're like, that's kind of an inherently queer thing. Why are you trying to take that from us? Yeah. So i one of the things that i know like I've noticed, particularly with like, you know, this isn't – if you're not from Kansas, this might not make sense to you, but like the Johnson County crowd. That's where I'm from. Like like the people who say, oh, i'm I'm socially liberal but physically conservative who don't know any gay people, don't actually know any queer people, don't know any people of color, don't necessarily like – So did you did your parents have like queer friends? Were there people that you knew as a young person that were like... I don't know that I knew a single gay adult.
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Yeah. Really? No. i I cannot think of a single gay adult from my... and this Okay, so when this been like... A teacher. A teacher's. There were a few teachers. twenty No, no, not 24. So high school high school for me, late like middle and high school would have been late 2000s. And yeah, the only gay adults I knew were ah were were teachers.
00:19:55
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ah Yeah, that that's and that's it And bless them because I was, you know, kind of skeeved out by one of them. But he was also the kind of like give you shoulder rubs. So like, oh I know, but like, are we having a Holden Caulfield moment right now?
00:20:10
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No, I hate that book so much. Okay, but there is a there is a teacher that gives Holden a shoulder rub. And he's homophobic about it yeah exactly, right? But, okay, continue, sorry. Yeah, you're good. it's I just, i don't it's I don't know that my parents would have necessarily stopped hanging out with someone if they were queer. Right. But I just think the kind of circles they ran in, it's just not something that happened.
00:20:37
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Yeah. So I, like, like, they've they've since come around on it um okay uh i remember my dad saying to both my sister and me once he said i don't care who you bring home as long as they treat you well and legit i know and like it's this this is from a man who his his he's i went i went to dinner and i went to see uh christopher cross in concert with him last month and i remember he was talking about he's like yeah he said his wife he's like she she thinks i'm not woke enough but i think i am and i was like i would love to hear why and he's just he's just of that age where he doesn't quite get it and he's like he's like i work with so many different kinds of people and i'm like well it's a mindset it's not your you know where you're at but you know yeah Just like listening to them. For example, my mom was she didn't quite understand, you know, being, ah being trans and whatnot and what that's all about. But then ah her coworker who like shares her cubicle with her transitioned, like during COVID and everything. And they just spent a lot of time together. And she's like, yeah, like, I totally get it now.
00:21:47
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And really all it takes is knowing somebody who is. Just like yeah mean the Cheney family were ah super ah you know homophobic and then had to have a queer daughter and then oops, they're like, actually, we didn't care this whole time until Liz Cheney threw her sister under the bus to get elected. well That's a different story. Exactly. Yeah.
Influence of James Bond on Identity and Humor
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Exactly. But I think, yeah, it is. it's smooth sailing. Sorry, I had to do that.
00:22:11
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I had to. I'm so sorry. Yeah. I just feel like it is ah honestly about lived experiences like, like sincere relationships that are, those are going to be the things that help um allow for acceptance. And when people are so afraid of having those sincere relationships or those lived experiences, that's that's when all of these things become divisive because in the end, we're all human beings, you know, like we we're we're human beings. Yeah. So anyway, okay. So back to
00:22:47
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James Bond. Sure. Okay. So you've got Pierce Brosnan as like the James Bond experience that you were having with his fabulous, fabulous hair and his 2001 People's Magazines. person that the sexiest man alive yeah oh my that hair yeah with the perfectly i loved him in uh what is the movie with renee russo oh the thomas crown affair thomas crown affair yeah yeah yeah that is my preferred thomas crown affair actually not the faye dunaway and mallory and i get in a fight about that but there faye dunaway and steve mcqueen are both super hot too to be fair yes that's true but i just like the sizzle of
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Speaker
Oh, yeah. I like the sizzle of the beers brought. So that one came out in 1999, and the 90s were like the decade that the erotic thriller was kind of perfected. And that movie is not one of those, but it kind learned and borrowed from the steaminess of those movies to really kind of execute that. So 100% agree with you on that.
00:23:48
Speaker
It is so styled for that steamy erotic thriller. Like Rene Russo's character wears like ties, but with also like mesh shirts. Yeah. And like shut up. I wanted that. Anyway. Okay. So you have this friend that you play with that you're not kissing and you have Pierce Brosnan. So did you like, were you a spy when you were like, did you, did you try to spy on people when you weren kid I wasn't like like actually spying, spying on people. i was mostly running around defeating pretend bad guys, you know, climbing playground equipment.
00:24:25
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and Who were your bad guys? Were they the Russians? ah probably I mean, probably. i didn't really think about who they were. I just knew they were bad guys. Yeah, that's fair. Got to get them.
00:24:37
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Got to get them somehow. Did you have sidekicks? ah Sometimes if my sister were there, she'd be but hanging all along doing whatever I did. is she older or younger younger nice okay so she got to you just got to tell her what to do like you have to stand here and do that yeah she's she's fine with that she she looked up to me a lot um oh i love that i love that so if you're not so being a spy right or so you are being a spy right and then you are playing these games and you are doing these things and you're having these great times and you're thinking of Pierce Brosnan secretly, not secretly.
00:25:18
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Do you think that as you were like contemplating coming out to your mom slash after that, like, do you think there was any type of that that was where you were forced to have like performative behaviors because You were not like you were going back into the closet or you were trying to experience.
00:25:42
Speaker
He was a double agent. I did not ah do anything like explicitly sexual with another guy until done God, I don't, I don't think it was until this current decade we're in right now. Cause I was in a long-term committed relationship um with a woman from like 2013 to 20.
00:26:11
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ah So I didn't get to really experience that until the last like five, six years. Okay. Okay. there ah there were there I should have. I should have. there is Oh gosh. During that relationship, there was this gorgeous Lebanese doctor who wanted me so bad. And I should have ended that relationship.
00:26:39
Speaker
And been with him. And been like, hey, let's do this. Doctor. And it also probably wouldn't have worked, but he was so handsome. And he gave me all the attention I was not then getting at the time. so He's great. Well, you know, sometimes we all have little angels that pop into our lives when we need them, right? That's what he is. That's it. Sometimes, okay, if you want to make somebody's day, um i don't, so this is just about popping into somebody's life. If you ever see like an attractive person with a pet, like a dog, they're walking, and you say, oh, so cute. And the dog's okay.
00:27:15
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That just makes people's face light up. So we've talked so much about James Bond. We've been able to dive into different parts of your wealth of knowledge around movies and books. To that, I know, I've heard, I've seen, I've read, you are trivia host extraordinaire. Where did love start? Where did that sort fondness for trivia?
Trivia Passion and Bonding with Father
00:27:41
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actually know this fondness for trivia I know I can tell you exactly why ah trivia has become such an important part of my life. um ah Growing up, ah again, my dad was the more disciplinarian, but one of the ways he always ah praised me was ah my intelligence, whether I was doing well in school, whether I was, ah so just learning. i learned that if I learned and exhibited that I was learning stuff, I would get positive attention from him. And so that's where it all all comes from. I had, we had the the original genus edition of trivial pursuit from like what, 78 or 80. Oh, wow.
00:28:27
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And ah I got bored and I went through all the questions on the cards and I would arrange them in stacks of whether I knew the answers to zero or all six of them. And then I like did stats and data on that.
00:28:43
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Cause that's the kind of person. The answer to the majority of those questions was Nikita Khrushchev. I'm pretty sure like 93% of the answers approximately. Almost certainly. Yeah. Yeah. would have been the villain Exactly. And so I did that. And then there was a night where we went out to just like, to like a bar and grill to get a burger and they were doing a trivia night. And I was like,
00:29:06
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I want to do this. My dad was like, maybe another time. And I'm like, no, I want to do this. And so he's like, okay, we'll do it next week. Cause we can plan on it. I said, okay, we better. And we went and we, it was just my dad and me. And we won because I knew about, he, he knew a lot of like the, the older pop culture stuff that I didn't know. And I knew a lot of the younger stuff.
00:29:28
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And ah you know, you get like, like, you know, 20, 25 bucks and like bar tab money. And my dad was like, If I have a smart kid, I can like get a couple of beers. That sounds great. This sounds like a winner. Get him a burger and then we're all good. And so that's really where it all started. I was i was probably 15 or 16 when this started.
00:29:48
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um First time I had ever had alcohol was with the host of that show because yeah I would ah stay late after. I had a car at this point.
00:30:00
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And I would stay late after and we would, the trivia was done. We'd wrap up, we played pool in the back room. And my first ever alcoholic drink was a shot of, uh, Uzo or Sambuca. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. It was great. Big fan. Uh, I'd go hang out with, uh, afterwards at his apartment. Um, and,
00:30:19
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we would would just hang but i i loved trivia so much and then in college uh you had to be 21 to get the bar obviously college college bars are always real strict about that um there was a trivia night i found there at annie may's annie may's parlor yeah and the basement bar in manhattan kansas and i house eat that shit up that's still to my to this day my favorite trivia night anywhere was was the the trivia smackdown at animes uh hosted by jeff cruiser and do think that try to like model the way that you run trivia because i mean i've i've been through several iterations of trivia with you like i know that you have like different styles do you yes i do did you
00:31:09
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start trying to by by like emulating that or did you just decide, nope, I'm going to do this my own way? ah It just kind of depended on time and place. When we when you first met me doing trivia, I was working for one of the larger national companies. and So I had to do it their way, of course.
00:31:26
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But then um I struck out on my own after COVID and just kind of made it the way I wanted to. ah So one of them was, I don't like wagering on the final. I think the winners should just be whoever knew the most that night.
00:31:43
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and Now that's not very fun for the teams, you know, down at the bottom because they don't feel like they have a chance, but like, that's what it should be. Just be the team that knew the most that night. um So I actually, I do three shows a week right now and they're all kind of different styles.
00:31:58
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And i actually only a few weeks ago just changed Tuesday night where the JB Fletchers go to the style I did in college, the old um Sunday trivia format. If you ever went to one of those,
00:32:13
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and uh i've been having so much fun there's like a minister and pews what's yes it's uh it's a style it's i name a billy graham quote and you have to finish it and we do that for two hours to hell is how it always and then occasional pat roberts right some pat roberts too oh and tammy faye do you get come on the queen everybody loves her You know, it wouldn't be A, an episode of the show B, especially now that we're talking to a trivia host without a trivia moment here.
Trivia Segment: Celebrity Spies
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I've got four trivia questions for you. you ready?
00:32:57
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Are you ready? I'm as ready as I'm ever going to be. Here we go. Just a second. All right. So I call this trivia game Star Stripes and Secret.
00:33:09
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All right. So this is all around celebrities who were also spies. Fun. Here we go. Question number one. Which famous Hollywood actor served as an OSS spy during World War II?
00:33:24
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Was it A, Clark Gable, B, Cary Grant, C, Jeremy Stewart, or D, Humphrey Bogart? Okay.
00:33:35
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Ooh, okay. God. Let's see. OSS was a US-based organization. Cary Grant was British, so I want to rule him out.
00:33:48
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i
00:33:52
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Clark Gable, bless him, was maybe a little too old and established. ah Jimmy Stewart was a fresh face. He didn't star in movies until 35, 36. I'm going to say it's Jimmy Stewart.
00:34:05
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Oh, I'm so sorry. That is wrong. Oh, dang. Who was it? Failure. Failure. Failure. The right answer was Clark Gable. Really? What?
00:34:16
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Before stealing hearts on screen, he was flying dangerous reconnaissance missions over Europe. Yes. Frankly, Ryan, that's impressive. Okay, so Clark Gable was in so many movies with Katherine Hepburn, right?
00:34:35
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Yeah. Mostly Joan Crawford. You're thinking Spencer Tracy. huford I'm currently in a marathon. I'm watching... I've found that I enjoy watching movies in marathon format because... just whatever I'm watching gets picked next for me and I don't have to decide. I'm currently doing Catherine Hepburn.
00:34:50
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and i' I got really excited. I'm in i'm just starting the 60s here soon. Most recent one I watched was suddenly last summer. but Okay, question two. Before becoming a celebrated chef and person and TV personality, Julia Child worked for which U.S. intelligence agency during World War ii Let me give the multiple choice.
00:35:11
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A, the CIA, B, the FBI, C, the OSS, or D, the NSA? a but blah bla by It's going to be CIA or OSS, but it's World War II. Okay.
00:35:27
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I'd say OSS. That is correct. Okay. Yay. Yes. Nice work. Julia Child wasn't just whipping up soufflés. She was helping devolve shark repellent for the Navy.
00:35:43
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Queen. Because nothing says espionage like explosives say from curious sea creatures. Bon appétit and be aware of the sharks. Bon appétit. You can watch almost all of her original The French Chef PBS stuff on YouTube. And for a long time, that was what ah I would throw on TV to fall asleep at night because it's so relaxing. Oh, yeah. So comforting. She has such a handsome, deep voice. She really is.
00:36:10
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And also just a comforting presence. Oh, yeah. Because I think her size, to me, is a comforting presence. She's tall as hell. Big woman.
00:36:21
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Yeah, she's a handsome woman for sure. All right, two more. Question three. Which actor known for tough guy roles helped gather intelligence for the U.S. during World War II, the U.S. Navy?
00:36:35
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Was it A, John Wayne, B, Sterling Hayden, C, Kirk Douglas, or D, Burt Lancaster? Ooh.
00:36:46
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John Wayne famously never enlisted. Despite him being the face of patriotism. That is true. And cancer.
00:36:59
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World War It's...
00:37:05
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it's i would It's probably John Wayne, but he's a he's a punk. um I'm just going to say Burt Lancaster because he didn't star in any movies till 1946. So he had plenty of time to do nothing during the Second World War.
00:37:22
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Oh, that's wrong. I'm sorry. It's okay. We still like you. It's okay. Before starring in gritty films, Hayden was running weapons and working with resistance fighters. That's not acting. That's living the role.
00:37:34
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Sterling Hayden's so cool. Yeah. Can you name two films that Sterling Hayden was in? Yeah. You go. You go first. The Mask. Mask.
00:37:48
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Sterling Hayden is probably best remembered for his work with Stanley Kubrick. He was in Dr. Strangelove and The Killing. he was also in one of the greatest Westerns of all time, Johnny Guitar with Joan Crawford.
00:38:00
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That makes me so happy that he was in Dr. Strangelove. mean, what a i mean what a great movie to also have been somebody who was in the Navy. So yeah. Continue. Next question. All right. Final question. Raoul Dahl, famous for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, also worked as a spy for which country while living in the United States?
00:38:25
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So he was a spy for this country, but he was living in the US. ah Was it the United States? B, Canada. C, the United Kingdom. Or D, Australia.
00:38:36
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he He was like British Welsh, so I would hope it's the UK. That is right. Yay! Roald Dahl wasn't just dreaming up Oompa Loompas. He was gathering intel in Washington, D.C., smooth-talking, charming, and reporting back to British intelligence. Basically, Willy Wonka with a top-secret clearance.
00:39:00
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I love it. Yes. i I like to think of him being James and the Giant Peach and just, you know, like giant peaching all of his information to the British. And like egg planting also. maybe i i just like peaches. Maybe that's me. ah Boy, have I got a hit 1990 song by the band, the presidents of the United States of America for you.
00:39:23
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Oh boy, have I got a peach for you. Boy, have I got peaches for you. Fuck the pain away. Come on, guys. Our queen. if i If I were a professional baseball player, there two options I would have for my walk-up song. And it's either Shoop by Salt-N-Pepa or it would be um ah the Boys Want to Be Here by Peaches.
00:39:46
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yeah It wouldn't be I'm only double A, but I'm thinking think and triple X. Like that just seems like a home run to me. it's so That's so good. Okay. So speaking of peaches and speaking of like potential walk-up songs, et cetera, and all of the ridiculousness that we just learned about World War II spies and actors um and just your personality, Ryan, which is so lovely. Yeah. How do you think the camp-ness of James Bond like played into any part of the formative experience of becoming you?
00:40:25
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I mean, it's being queer and camp are so inherently together. I can't understand people that think like camp is cringe or they can't see why it's It is what it is. a camp is one of those things that you don't just like instinctively know and get.
00:40:43
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But like, ah you know, if you're going to name a woman plenty O'Toole or Pussy Galore, like, come on, even something less ah sexual, like ah a Grace Jones's character in A View to a Kill is May Day. Right. First name May, last name Day. like Right. and And then you get into the post-camp camp of the 90s where like Denise Richards is playing Dr. Christmas Jones. yeah I know. I thought Christmas only came once a year. it's good Right? mean, come on! They're trying to find where Bond is at the end of that movie and they're using a heat-seeking thing and they see one body lying on a bed and then you can see the other legs spread out and everything. Come on! yeah was So, okay, i full disclosure, I asked Ryan before this. I said, hey, Ryan, what is your favorite James Bond movie and what's your least favorite James Bond movie? And you mentioned ah From Russia With Love and Skyfall as your two faves. Yeah, it's ah so From Russia With Love, it's got Robert Shaw, who's undefeated. Lottie Lenya, who's a national, not American treasure, but a national treasure. national treasure. Nonetheless. ah Sean Connery, Daniela Bianche.
00:41:59
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ah it's It's just, it's good. It's Doctor No is fine, but From Rush With Love is where they kind of like really start getting off the ground with it. And I think it's just so friggin' good. And then Skyfall, the the the Bond movies since 2006, the Daniel Craig era ones, have really kind of tried to stray away from the goofiness of those other ones. which makes sense. Again, you're posting ah post 9-11 America or UK. You're just post 9-11. And you're being more serious about everything. and like The kind of thing that gives rise to like Zack Snyder.
00:42:34
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And it's that desire to be taken seriously that I think changed the direction of it all. And I think Skyfall is where it really excels. Casino
Queer Identity and Bond Parallels
00:42:42
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Royale is taking the film series, the whole franchise, away from gunplay and moving more hand to hand. It's more close and intense yeah and lots of quick edits. Intelligent.
00:42:53
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yeah And it's more, it's kind of more exciting because, you know, if you're shooting someone with a gun from so far away, so what? Up close, that's scarier. ah More intense, that opening fight in Casino Royales. Excellent. with that Is that the super parkour one? ah No. Is that the one where he's like running up the... No, that's I think that's Skyfall, the chase scene through, forget which African country it is.
00:43:16
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No, no, no. On the rooftops? I know it's where this has to be, because you know, they're in like an abandoned, they're they're they're they're doing a chase scene through like urban decay Africa. Yeah. um yeah It's so good, but Skyfall is really where it kind of all starts again to come together because that's where they're like reintroducing Blofeld as a character. yeah um Kind of digging into his roots and that really sets up everything going forward, especially coming off of Quantum of Solace, which is not good at all.
00:43:48
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I love, sorry, we from Russia with Love, I just remember Bond, somebody's talking about their mouth, and they're like, oh, my mouth's too big, and Bond is like, oh, no, it's just the right size. that it For me, that is. Tatiana Romanova, the Bond girl. yeah Yes, so that that camp, that's what, I remember watching that show and not being so into Bond, and my brother's just like,
00:44:13
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loving it and being like oh my god this see like they were people who like loved the camp they were like all about the the thing but i was always so drawn to like bonds um i am lovable but i'm not um i want to be in a relationship but i don't um i'm a loner i'm kind of this individual who's like you know, always kind of sidestepping different things, not and not necessarily a negative way, but he's just sort of like the most lovable, unlovable, lovable character. Yeah. And I think sometimes like in the queerness thing where youre you're kind of like, you sway throughout formative years where you're like, I'm a good thing, I'm a bad thing. I should be celebrate this. I'm proud, I'm disgusted. i'm So you kind of move all over the place
00:45:06
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Well, not necessarily being undercover, but like you, there's a secret there. I like that a lot. Yeah. yeah And also like, if you're thinking of Skyfall, like I'm too old for this or I'm too, like, I'm, I think a lot, ah a lot of times in the queer community, we also have this, like, am I gay enough? Am I too gay? as a bi person, a hundred percent understand that.
00:45:27
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Like absolutely, absolutely. And I just, I love that this is like retrospectively perhaps, and certainly questionably whether that was their intent with the James Bond movies. But I love that we're finding this parallel between like what is and what isn't.
00:45:46
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what is spoken and what is unspoken and what is ah too much and not enough. And I love that. And like, and then it is always this like razor wire,
00:45:59
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balancing act in order to like just be sometimes yeah and there's all the gadgets too like i'm thinking of like camp i'm thinking of all the things like oh yeah they're you know they're dumb as hell well no i'm just thinking like in in comparison to like like the like the gay i mean just remember like when i first came out i was such a stereotype i had the all the gadgets right i had like the short hair and the big glasses and the cowboy boots and the tiny t-shirts and you know all these things to like move about the space when i didn't i didn't need didn't need the um the exploding flaming personality or whatever at the moment i didn't need eye makeup to like translate that i'm getting you know what mean like i didn't need a gadget I love that you're you're your outward appearance was tiny t-shirts, cowboy cowboy boots, and big glasses, whereas mine were Birkenstocks and Nalgene water bottles. Nalgene. Yeah. Yes. And my overalls, which I still wear to this day. But like, isn't that so funny how it like, yeah, you have to have all these things, these signifiers. Yeah. Yeah. it's the i and see i've never ah god what's the queerest thing i wear i wear some shorty little shorts that's about the gayest thing i wear that's like not outwardly queer but people it's you do not spend of walking a half marathon just about every single day to have great legs like this to not show them off amen a and kick
00:47:39
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it's i have i have i was I was over 300 pounds for many, many years, and I worked at a museum, and I did a lot of walking there. My calves are beautiful from having to carry the weight of myself around all the time. i Turn them out British style for the king. isn't that Wasn't that a thing when you bowed? Did you show off those calves? You do now. That's why you have your little heels. yeah i'm Thomas Jefferson.
00:48:01
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Yes, I'm falling back into trivia land. um back to Back to camp. Back to James Bond. yes I didn't interrupt any any any question. Maybe we didn't get too far off. Okay. So Bond, how do you, um how do you I don't want to say reconcile, how do you feel about sort of the misogyny in the franchise? With the queer community loving person that you are?
00:48:30
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yeah it's it's one of those not like separate art from the artist kind of things but like you you have to as long as you're aware that you know it's not this was filmed in 1975 right like like it's we know better than that if you're like relishing in it and delighting in it that's kind of ah um bond does not often like beat women And the times he does lay hands on them, it is because like you know they've betrayed his trust or something, or he's like literally murdering you because you're a villain.
00:49:03
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um But it's I find most of the misogyny is definitely through the the male gaze, through ah through a
Critique and Evolution of Bond Films
00:49:10
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sexual lens. it's yeah like Every woman is an object. An object to be rescued. ah An object that is you know trying to stop his goal of saving the world.
00:49:22
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ah and it's that that's why i said ironically the james bond franchise when when you asked me for my root yeah because it's like that is not at all how i view women at like like in any ah bit like reminder that homophobia itself is rooted in misogyny it is men not liking that other men are doing things they consider feminine it is a hatred of women that is driving their ah distaste to hatred of ah queer men or male passing people.
00:49:59
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I also feel like this is a this is a place where like the James Bond movies have like definitely started to evolve. Evolve, yeah. In the best kind of way. like i rewatched Skyfall because, i and I found out,
00:50:13
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I didn't actually rewatch it. I watched it for the first time. i had never seen it. And I love that they gave Moneypenny so much agency. um She's out in the field.
00:50:26
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Yeah, she's out in the field. And, you know, like, yes, does James Bond say, like, I'm so glad that you decided to work behind the desk because all feels safer for you now. But, like, it was absolutely her choice.
00:50:39
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And I, yeah, I really... and ah And then I'm also thinking of like Octopussy, like his major ah like villain, the female villain in that movie. She had her own agency as well. So I think that even from like the eighty s to now, there's been a lot of growth. And in some cases, we do get that female agency. there's a tweet I think about about once a week that is relevant to this. And it says new James Bond movie, James, if you can't overcome your generational trauma, you'll never discover what it means to truly sacrifice old James Bond movie.
00:51:20
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My name is Rebecca ass. ah I feel like that really encapsulates it reminder too that. No time to die. The most recent bond movie up until this point when we're recording this, uh,
00:51:34
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definitely subverts kind of all of that and is the most kind of progressive Bond film in a sense. And who did they hire to write or help co-write that? Phoebe Waller-Bridge from Fleabag. yeah And she's a,
00:51:49
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phenomenal writer yeah but like i think that's that's kind of how they're showing that they're they're moving forward is by hiring someone like that to come in and polish it up because that that last movie is very major in big themes of bond reconciling who he is as a person um and you know where do you even go from there right i can't even imagine what a new bond film is going to look like do you know if any previous bond film has a female writer on the script god a lot of the classic era ones are written by richard my bomb yeah uh was gonna say that's also something you know with the whole like misogyny whatever like looking at who's actually writing i want to say no however reminder that the broccoli family have been producing them since the beginning and barbara broccoli is like
00:52:38
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the godmother of this whole franchise you do not get to put anything up on that screen without her say so that she yeah um so in a sense you know you do have a woman kind of approving of everything that is up on screen in a sense which that's a whole other can worms coming kind of full circle here barbara broccoli might be the best drag queen name i've heard in a hot second And she's a real human being. She's a real human being. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, what do I wear?
00:53:06
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Look at these pictures. Here's what you wear. You're just Dahlia Sin in the episode. She got eliminated. so sad day. Okay. Are you ready for a rapid fire?
00:53:18
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i am ready. It's it's time for time for a rapid fire. Okay. We're gonna go back. So you gave us some really beautiful trivia just there. Yeah, like oh my gosh, so much. pure wall That was fun. Phoebe Waller-Bridge, Barbara Broccoli. I feel like these things are gonna, I now know these things. Oh, and fun other trivia fact regarding James Bond movies. So while, and this is a huge spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen Skyfall. So in the next 20 seconds, hit mute and then just pick it back up. But Mallory, my wife and I, we were watching this skyfall the other night and jame dame judy dench dies on screen and could you imagine being somebody having to hold is like a national treasure like yes dame judy dench a global treasure do you know that there are only three movies where she's died on screen only three that's yeah impressive
00:54:15
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yeah Yeah, we had to look this up because Mallory was like, ah I don't think I've ever seen a movie where she's died on screen. And I said, no. So Skyfall is one of them. um Mrs. Peregrine's School for Unruly Children. Sure. And...
00:54:31
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Oh God, I'm going to forget the what the other one was, but there there are three. She dies off screen in a fourth one, but yeah, three films only. So that's fun. I was going through my head trying to think of a movie she did that was really bad to like make it a joke about how she died on screen because the movie was so bad. And I can't think of
Career Satisfaction and Trivia Hosting
00:54:47
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one. She's got a good filmography. I can't think of one. She is amazing. Okay. So this rapid fire trivia.
00:54:54
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Are you ready? Yes. Okay. So what's the weirdest trivia fact you know about tarot cards? Oh my God. did i don't know the trivia fact I don't know that I have any weird facts about them. I just kind of know the basics of them.
00:55:09
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Just the basics. Okay. so next Okay. Next one. What's the saddest trivia fact, you know, about the state of Kansas? Oh, other than Sam Brownback. oh God, he lingers. He lingers over the state like a, like a plague cloud. Saddest trivia fact about Kansas.
00:55:29
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Um, we were the birthplace of the progressive movement and now look where we are. oh thanks. Thanks for that reminder. it just for sad i did. i did. This is on me. What's the matter with what's the matter with Kansas? All right. Yeah. Right. Seminal text.
00:55:46
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Now I know that you also work for the U S postal service. So what's the most frightening trivia fact, you know, about that? john All postmen have x-ray vision.
00:55:59
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That's actually true for the record. We can see what you're writing and sending to other people. um Okay. What would be frightening? HR videos?
00:56:14
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Yes. It's...
00:56:21
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I have had to use my dog spray, almost to use my dog spray rather, on more humans than I have dogs. Okay, that is frightening. That's pretty frightening. It's one of my first memories. I started a few months before peak season, so the holidays when everything's busy. I'm you know i'm working until like 7.30, 8 o'clock, 8.30 every night.
00:56:43
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um i'm in ah a part of town here out south very ah low income high density lots of folks not a lot of money and a lot of people will lose their mail keys and they you know they don't have the money to replace that so the only way they can get their mail is to come show like show you their id and matches up with the name on the mail or in the box and you give it to them and i hadn't had to do that because i'd been on a routes more in the north and so i'm filling this box ah of of slots at like seven o'clock at night it's cold and i look over there's a flickering street light and underneath it i just see this shambling corpse going by me it's not saying brains it's saying mail basically and i look to my right and there's like two other people coming and i'm like i'm gonna die tonight
00:57:32
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And it's it's people who are just trying to get their packages for the holidays. But like, and it's a shambling, shadowy figure walking towards you under a flickering streetlight. Like, I've seen enough movies to know that's the end. Yeah, that's the bad thing. You walk away from that. But not Ryan.
00:57:49
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He's going to get that delivery done. Yes, I am. They pay me to do right. Next one. What's the grossest fact you know about any celebrity? Oh. Rapid fire. Oh, okay.
00:58:03
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Grossest fact. Grossest fact. oh What comes to mind first? um
00:58:10
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Grossest. Or just um like unsaventiful. Oh, ah like first thing that comes to mind is um if you ever want some good ah before bed literature, go read James Joyce's love letters to his wife, Nora Barnacle.
00:58:27
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Okay. Okay, I'm putting that down. Did you know that I'm also reading Finnegan's Wake right now? I did not, but i i did do you do you want to read these letters yourself or do you want them like a mild ah description?
00:58:42
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To my dearest. yeah ah There is one point in which James Joyce writes to his wife, Nora Barnacle. ah He says, I'm paraphrasing, he says, if you I were blindfolded in a room full of 100 farting women, I could pick you out by scent.
00:59:01
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Oh, that's how you know it's love. That's how you know it's love. She a high fiber fish based diet. it's You know what? In Ireland, probably. Probably. Yeah. okay All right. Number five.
00:59:13
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Number five. What's the funniest trivia fact you know about butts? but Speaking of farts. Oh, man. Good transition. ah Funniest fact about butts. I've written whole rounds about butts before. This has come to mind a lot faster.
00:59:31
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Funniest about butts. Basically the bottom of your mouth. yeah um your mouth is top of your butt come on it's one two yeah does a straw have one hole or two right that's a good question um funniest about butts god that's a good question okay then okay you think about that i'm going to ask you this next one okay what is one thing you're going to look up as soon as we finish this podcast
01:00:03
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I'm going to go reread James Joyce's love letters to his wife. Yes. That's gone with the wind. Yeah. i Yeah. he's using the wind to find his wife.
01:00:16
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all the parts. Do you smell what the James Joyce is cooking? Sorry. um excuse his His wife does. All right. To act three.
01:00:27
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um Now that you're this mail carrier extraordinaire, you're basically a mail spy. M-A-I-L. Yes, M-A-I-L. M-A-L-E. yes m a i m a l e M-A-L-E. Double male. What are you working on towards the future? What's what's next? What's happening?
01:00:48
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um Yeah,
Future Plans and Community Engagement
01:00:51
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what's next? What's next i Trivia-wise, mail carrier-wise, re-exploration-wise. I changed the format I do on my Tuesday night shows to something that makes me much happier. So I've been enjoying that. ah Career-wise, I love this profession so much. It's the right thing for me to be doing. It came along at the right place at the right time. I worked at a museum before this and I was staying there with low pay because I was complacent. And, ah ah you know, I when I when I was not at the museum anymore, I wanted to do the exact opposite.
01:01:29
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At the museum, I was inside a strictly temperature and climate controlled building all day out ah for like little pay, not really doing like a tough job. And I wanted to prove to myself that I could do hard work. And I wanted to, I'm a very social person, but I was so sick of having to work with people all the time there. And yeah in this job, I spend some time with folks in the morning and then I go by myself for, you know, six, seven hours after that. Rules. That's beautiful. Yeah. And ah so i just, I chose this, this job because it's the exact opposite of what I was doing before. And that shakeup is what I needed. So looking forward, I'm not sure because I just made this huge change. I've only been doing this job six months.
01:02:18
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And so it's at that museum for 10 years. and And so i'm I'm kind of just right now enjoying riding the wave of what this new career has given me.
01:02:31
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um I get to be part of a union. yeah Retirement, insurance, all the wonderful things. The USPS has the best like benefits of any government anything. so And it's the best like secret society. i've i mean I don't know. i've i've I've heard about some cloaky elephant walks, but... um hu um So yeah, just looking forward. I'm just enjoying what I've got going on right now.
01:03:00
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I'm real happy with it. And. i who knows what's up next? Well, and if you're like five, six years into this, like, you know, your sexual journey also, like, things, yeah, like, that's also, like, becoming and being you.
01:03:19
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can't say, like, how, like, new or fresh or however, like, the the skin is or the, the, I want to imagine, like, ah a bi tiara that's, like, a crown, but, like, whatever this beautiful headpiece that you can, like,
01:03:32
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whip out. I just feel like it has to be a caterpillar to a butterfly. I mean, like, it's such a transformative, beautiful thing. yeah And I love that for you. yeah i too i really...
01:03:44
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i'm I'm interested to see where it goes forward, um especially bisexuality being such a good chaotic thing, because yeah preferences, needs, desires, it all kind of fluctuates very differently for every other person. right i mean, bi people make up, percentage-wise, the highest percentage of you know the LGBT plus community, um but you know often overlooked, because as as people said earlier, are we gay enough? Yeah.
01:04:12
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um Yeah, and by erasure is so, it's it's so real. I remember getting so furious at Bohemian Rhapsody in theaters. That movie is oh yeah dog shit and it's four Oscars. Get out of here. It's... the Side note, the Oscars voters don't ever, when they're voting, they don't pick best. They always do most.
01:04:35
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It's who did the most acting, which had the most editing, which had the most sound because they're dumb. And the fact that that got sound and film editing amazing. insane but uh in that movie uh rami malek's like off think i'm gay and his wife is like no you're not you're gay and he's just kind of like m okay uh and like like he's or no he sorry he says he thinks he's bi and she's like no you're not gay and in the movie just kind of like oh okay and there's like you subtext that uh he is bi and he's just kind of like dealing with it but like he never
01:05:10
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says nothing about it and it doesn't have to be um not didactic but and thent didactic works but um it's when the music is actually a part of the movie and not the background diegetic right It's not diegetic, which oh stupid movie. I hate that movie so much. So many interesting facts and things that could be used for trivia.
01:05:34
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um What if you were to make a trivia game about this conversation we've had today? What was your three top three categories be?
01:05:45
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Oh, okay. Obviously we'd have to talk about the James Bond franchise too. We would have to talk about um being queer in Kansas. And then i think we all agreed that butts are pretty great.
01:05:58
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Yeah, so, okay, so Butts, Kansas Queerness, James Bond. Yeah, I think these are these are beautiful categories, and I would definitely come play some trivia about that. Good. I miss you on trivia nights. I need to get back into it. I really do. you You're up early big crowds, you know, like, I get it. There's lots of reasons not to go, but I miss you.
01:06:19
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I'll FaceTime on an iPad, and you can put me on one of those things, and I'll just, like... wheel myself remote control, remote, remote control myself around. It's, oh my God, that would be a nightmare at the field house.
01:06:31
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Yeah. I mean, my Tuesday night trivia venue. Yeah, it is. ah Yeah. So, okay. Ryan, this is a perfect question. If people want to find you, where do they look? And I i mean, obviously this is going to be for local kansans in wichita but like yes i don't have find you do trivia i don't do uh social media or anything for trivia um the local npr station called me a best kept secret and i'm going to keep it that way yeah so uh i am on mondays you can find me at the fuzzy's taco shop on the wsu campus uh i've been doing that one since 2021 you can find me at the field house on 17th street on tuesday nights at 7 30 i've been doing that one since 2021 or two and then thursday nights at white crow cider company downtown i've been doing that since 2023 and that's the one where if you have a sizable team you have to get there about two and a half hours early to save a saint because it fills up yeah quickly with fanatical players that is true they are fanatical they're great they just uh it fills up quickly
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I'm just curious. Okay. So I get asked this all the time as a
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teacher. um Who's your favorite trivia? Where's your favorite place to host? Can you answer that? That's so tough. That's so tough. I like, I like all three of them for various reasons. Thursday has been my absolute fave for a while. Just the, the energy, the people in the room, the products, the people that own it. It's just, it's a really good thing.
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But because I switched up formats on Tuesday to something easier to make, more nostalgic for me, I have been enjoying that in recent weeks more. That's beautiful. I love that. I love that. and then But like Monday has the most teams I would hang out with outside of Trivia Night. So there's there I'm really grateful that I have three shows I actually really enjoy. Because if I didn't like a venue or like the people there, I don't know that I could keep going.
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That's, you know what, that makes every bit of difference. It's my social circle. I had ah i had a longstanding don't date or sleep with the trivia players rule for a long time. because you know they're like i well i consider it kind of like a co-worker thing, right? like if If that goes south, then like oops, there goes the business that I'm supposed to be bringing in for you know these bars and restaurants. Or they're you got to get to this trivia. It's amazing. but Yeah, then I broke that a few years ago. Yeah.
01:09:10
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Whoopsie daisy. Oops, sorry, not sorry. Yeah. yeah Oh my gosh. I'm so crazy. Well, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. this was ah This was a pleasure. I'm glad you thought of me. And it was it was a wonderful time getting to know you all as well.
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And thanks again to you Ryan. Until next time, keep it queer and keep it coming.
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Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Thank you.