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Your Running Questions Answered | The Points of Shoe Podcast: Episode 1
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Although we'd love to, we don't have a lot of free time to answer all of your questions on the channel. That's why we're bringing Points of Shoe back so we can dedicate a whole podcast to responding to your messages.
In this episode, Tom and Nick answer a whole heap of great questions, from whether there should be entry requirements for the London Marathon, to what we'd pick in a two shoe rotation.
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Transcript
Introduction & Podcast Comeback
00:00:04
Speaker
Hey Tommy from the Runcesters and welcome back to the Points of Shoe podcast. This is the series where we answer your questions because we never get a chance to do it on the actual Instagram channel and on YouTube. So this is where you can give us your questions that me and Nick are going to answer each time we do the podcast. Right, let's dive in and see what you asked us this week.
00:00:30
Speaker
Right then, we're back with Points of Shoe. It's back, people said. After after to so many people, they'd signed that petition. yeah it was Yeah, it was dominating the UK Parliament demands for Points of Shoe. back and in video form, no less, Tom.
00:00:43
Speaker
Yes, yeah, that's a big, big treat for everyone. plenty of animations. Yeah, I'm glad you've said that now because I'm going to have do it now, aren't Yeah. Right, well, Points of Shoe, because we've not done it for a while, we might have a lot of people watching this. Well, we might have loads of people who don't know what it is because they don't listen to the podcast. So Points of Shoe is our series where, because we don't have a lot of time apart from making the videos and running on the channel, we don't answer a lot of the comments that we get. This is an opportunity to go through the comments and answer some of the questions that you may have.
00:01:16
Speaker
Exactly. So we've had loads actually this time. So I put a ah ah and post out last night. We've had lots. So we might not have time to do all of them. So we might have to save some for the next time.
Nike's Marathon Shoe Dominance
00:01:27
Speaker
well ah Well, let's do some at ah at a steady pace and we can quick fire a few if we if we have to get through some. like Okay, okay. um So there's a big mix of them. There's quite a lot of them that are shoe related, which is as you suspect. There's quite a lot that arere training related. So those are the ones that tend to be a little bit more complicated to answer. So yeah I'll jump in with some shoe ones first.
00:01:48
Speaker
So we've got one here from InfoConGaffas. These are the YouTube ones. You always get really weird names on the YouTube ones. I think people just randomly set them. It's not a weird name at all, Tom. Sorry? It's normal name. It's fine. Yeah, that's absolutely fine, isn't it? So with additions from Puma, Asics and Adidas pushing the limits for carbon-plated races, where did Nike now stand in the pecking order for best marathon shoe?
00:02:11
Speaker
Well, big, isn't it? Well, at London Marathon, Nike did have a runner who broke the previous world record in what I believe is a developmental version of the Alpha Flife, I shoot before. So that I imagine is coming, but the Alpha Flife 3, I still think is a great...
00:02:29
Speaker
Marathon shoe and a very good marathon shoe for the masses in terms of being pretty comfortable, probably bit more comfortable than the modern breed, I'd say in many ways. um But it wouldn't, yeah, it's not in my personal top tier for the
Optimal Two-Shoe Strategy
00:02:40
Speaker
marathon at the moment. I think it's a very, very good shoe, but it's a fair bit heavier now than top options, you know, more than double the weight of the new Adidas, which is obviously... crazy but even even though like comparing it to more realistic shoes like the pumas and the asics meta speed sky tokios and the edge tokyo they are good 50 grams lighter so i think that needs to be addressed um it's still a very good shoe though where you tell you you didn't love the alpha three anyway did you tom i love the alpha i want i still think the one's one of the best shoes ever made and still i still use it if i'm going to go and try really hard on a on a race save it as like a treat but the three i thought was fine i think it's
00:03:18
Speaker
It's definitely up there. You know, if you if you had like a ah big box full of all the best car and plate races, it would be in there. Yeah. It's just very difficult because there's so many of the great options out there. and I think Nike's got problem. It takes them so long to release shoes. Yeah, I mean, it's really long gap in between. like And obviously, we're talking fine margins here. If I went and ran in the Alphafly instead of my favorite carbon shoe, I don't think I'm going to be like...
00:03:39
Speaker
even 10 seconds really that much difference it's just personal preference but yeah and the vape fly for or went for a different approach by lowering the stack but then still wasn't as light as shoes of a higher stack so yeah i think nike's got a bit of adjusting to do but they do tend to make cushier bouncier shoes and you know they still work very well clearly for lots of runners including elites and amateurs and this i would say that london marathon this year in the championship pen uh was very clearly the first time i looked around and it wasn't mostly nike Yeah.
00:04:11
Speaker
Yeah. They're sort disappearing. is That's the problem with it that the cycle, isn't it? that They're even disappearing from the cheaper alternative shoes now. than you And everyone was wearing the Vaporfly 2s. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, there there are very good deals in the Alfa 2. That is one thing in its favor right now. I think it's one the shoes that's regularly discounted. Yeah.
00:04:29
Speaker
Okay. um Right. We've got this one from ah Clay Wadman 751. Another normal one. This is quite long. The YouTube one's tend to be quite a bit longer because people are sat at their computers right now as opposed to the Instagram ones. So, if a four-shoe rotation covers easy tempo, long, and race, what's the optimal two-shoe setup? It's good question.
00:04:49
Speaker
I have 1080s, but I am struggling to decide if I should get something like the the New Banners Trainer V3 for speed and long. or something like the Red Bull V5 for speed and use 1080 for long?
00:05:00
Speaker
ah I have wider feet, so I'm limited. But is an easy long-run combo shoe better than a long-run tempo combo shoe? Shoes today have so much overlap that I'm struggling to decide how distinctive to get open to three shoes but don't want too much overlap. That's quite a long question. What's a two-shoe rotation? Yeah, that'll do. Okay. Well, depends on who you are. So for me, I would always have a dedicated racing shoe.
00:05:24
Speaker
So that means I'm limited in my second shoe and I just get the most versatile shoe possible, which would be a super trainer, like, know, the Megablast, the Kiprun Tempo. So I think if you're someone not so
Age, Performance & Modern Shoes
00:05:34
Speaker
fussed about having that race shoe in there, I would go um easy, long tempo workout.
00:05:40
Speaker
So an easy, long shoe and then a tempo workout shoe would probably be what I would do. But you, Tom, you ah would you have a dedicated racer in two shoes? If I only had two shoes, yeah, I'd definitely have. i' i'd I'd have a a so of bouncy...
00:05:55
Speaker
okay cushioned comfy shoe that you could actually sort of pick up the pace a bit and I i mean id probably have a few past three if I was only having one shoe to do easy runs and daily runs because I think you can you do you know longer tempo efforts and stuff and and things like that as well and then I'd have a race shoe as well yeah I think that that's generally what I do at the moment anyway racing race shoes and then I'm sort of using a rad UFO or a kip storm tempo for most things Yeah, so that's the way I'd break it down. If you're more focused on training, I would go... So if if I was more focused on training, I probably wouldn't get the Mega Blast. I might look at the Super Blast or the Nike Femario Plus for easy long, and then I'd get maybe something like the Evo Accel as a faster shoe, mostly for workouts. But if you were to race... think with racing shoes, they're so special kind of specialized these days, I'd i'd want a racing shoe, and then maybe I'd pick a more durable one ah to do a lot more workouts. Training it as well. Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:46
Speaker
Yeah, I forgot about that. I would probably also i'd throw the 1080 V15 into that as well because i love that shoe. You do love that shoe. Everyone loves that shoe but me. I like that shoe. It's fine. but Let's do a ah training one.
00:07:01
Speaker
um like the one about being old because that's becoming increasingly pertinent there. That's the one that's at the top. So ah don't even read these these names out. Greyhounddad2053. What's the view on how age starts to affect your running? Since you started the channel, has your running slowed or changed style, et cetera? I only ask because I'm 58 and have more average days than good and I've slowed right down to three times a week only. Just a general chat would be a good debate.
00:07:29
Speaker
um So we both got into running quite seriously quite late, I'd say. So our age-related slowdown hasn't really happened you yet. I'm still getting quicker. I'm 37, so not um hitting 40 yet. but So I still think...
00:07:44
Speaker
that's fine and i'm training hard that I've ever trained and all that and that has definitely helped. i think it's a big thing in fact in general for veteran athletes is the shoes these days like being so comfortable so light you see all these age related records go down constantly because people are training more and being able to bounce back more. I do most of my training with a V50 athlete who He's pretty careful. He doesn't do loads of running. He'll make sure he he's mostly focused on middle distance, which doesn't do loads. So I think his volume has come down a bit. But Tom, how about you? Have you changed much? You kind of fluctuate depending on how much you care than anything else. I think if if you had a ah if you had a chart that sort of worked out the average over like each year, I'm going upwards in terms of the amount I'm training and the the volume and the effort I'm putting in.
00:08:29
Speaker
But because it matchs massively fluctuates. So at the moment, I'm not really training that hard. I will be soon because i'm training for tip for Frankfurt. And if you look at my marathon blocks, I do train more each time and I am getting faster in general. and I'm sort of a little bit off my PBs at the moment. But I think i think you're right. i I never properly trained hard until maybe five years ago.
00:08:52
Speaker
All the running i did before that was very much easy. I did a lot of racing, but I i was just sort of... wasn't doing really high mileage or wasn't wasn't doing a lot of really fast training stuff. So I think For me, age, and I'm 40, I don't know, 44 soon, um I think I'm still on upward trajectory in terms of how good I am at running, how my speed increased. But I think that's not the case for everyone. I think a lot of people who maybe be were really competitive in their early 20s, I've got a lot of friends who were like that, and they are definitely feeling the difference now because they're they're struggling to hit the same times because...
00:09:29
Speaker
I've got most of them get injured quite lot. Well, that's the thing. I think if you did a lot of training when you were younger, not only were you doing probably a lot more fast stuff on the track, stuff that, you probably you were probably using old style spikes, old style flats, a bit more impact on the body. But like if you've come into it later and you're hitting your peak now, this era, like Kieran's also getting quicker. He's slightly older than Tom, I think. um And, you know, he spent a long time training for a Super 3 marathon and now knocks them out on a bad day and because he's in great shape, obviously.
00:09:56
Speaker
So I think, yeah, certainly through your 40s, I think you can still push pretty hard. And then it's a bit of more of an unknown, isn't it, for us? That's definitely a thing as well. is that it It's just about how much you you're into it and how focused you are and and stuff. And a lot of people, like Kieran's kid's bit older now. He's got a bit more time to focus on running. And it's, you know, depends on...
Running Peaks & Shoe Choices
00:10:16
Speaker
how much effort you're putting in. but um I think that's, it becomes a bit more important to make sure it's manageable and enjoyable. I think, was thinking about this recently, I've been with my coach for eight, nine years now and like in that time, I've progressively run more, my PBs have got better, everything like that. i think the biggest thing that I would take away as the great success of my partnership or the work i've done with my coach is that I like money running even more now than I did at the start still. And I'm more excited to train all the time. And haven't really had a long-term injury, which is touch wood. But, you know, if anything, it's just the management of your workload to make sure you are enjoying and pushing on, I think probably becomes a bit more important as you get older.
00:10:51
Speaker
And some people who are a bit older become obsessed with it. and Yeah. I go through phases of being obsessed with it and i because I have but a lot of weightlifting and stuff as well.
00:11:03
Speaker
Okay, let's do a shoe one. ah If you had to pick, and this is a Jignesh Gandhi 95, if you had to pick only one Zone 2 Max Cushion shoe right now, which one would that be?
00:11:16
Speaker
Zone one, zone two, max cushion shoe. I don't train in the zone so much, but... Well, this more Tom's area. Pure easy, you're not using for anything else. Pure easy shoe, and if money's no object, I'd probably take that crazy Nike Vemero Premium, the really expensive one. If money's no object, i probably... Vemero Plus is probably my favourite, just pure easy shoe. How about you, Tom? This is more your your bag, really.
00:11:41
Speaker
mean, i I still... I'd probably go Rad UFO. Which is interesting because it's pretty versatile as well. Pretty versatile, yeah it's all very fun it's just... It's the fun element. I just... You know, they've got I've got loads of easy shoes that do the job, but it that just...
00:11:58
Speaker
Even if you don't want to go for a run, it just makes it fun, just helps you a bit. um Yeah, I think that is big. I think um there are too many bland, traditional easy shoes and people go, oh, you know, you need your workhorse, needs to be stable and all this. so All these modern shoes can do all that. They are fun, they are stable, but but they are also fun, though. and I do think, you eat like say, it's only two shoes, lots of runners, it's the zone they spend the most time in. You do want it to be fun. i don't want it just to
Marathon Entry Debates & Systems
00:12:20
Speaker
be functional.
00:12:21
Speaker
Yeah. you but you might You might have an issue with shoes that I like that are bouncy and stuff. You know, if you're really heavy, you might have an issue with those you're not getting the same out of them. But for me... there's so many shoes out now that you're just fun and bouncy.
00:12:34
Speaker
And that's what, that's what I like. and or Honestly, I love the Super Blast 3 for pure easy runs as well. Yeah, exactly. and I mean, that's enough not really a great, you know, the cost of that shoe for just he using it for zone two is probably a bit much, but it is a great easy shoe, which is odd. yeah Because you wouldn't have said that about the the one and two. No, no, I found them a bit, yeah, a bit blockier. Yeah.
00:12:54
Speaker
Okay. Let's find ended another one. Yeah. ah this is this ah This is a debate one. where We won't be able to get too too much into this. Did you see the London Marathon one? It's a good one, yeah, I like that. yeah So John HB6GX, what do you make of the record number of ballot entries for the London Marathon? Many of those entries will never have even run a 10k or half marathon. Do you think that people should be asked to complete qualifying event in the year...
00:13:20
Speaker
um in the ballot in order to ah be able to enter. It's better of health or safety, it goes on to talk about. a massive discussion on this. If you're interested in this debate, go on to the, look at the comments on the, yeah on the channel, because there's quite a lot of people involved in that.
00:13:35
Speaker
I think it's, yeah, it's a really good debate. I, I, First of all, London Marathon, I think is a good idea. And I think more people get to London the Marathon is great. And lots of people want to it. i personally wish there wasn't such an obsession with going straight to a marathon and doing these big ticket events as there is. But it it did that that is there. So I do think making it more available to people is better. I wish there was more desire to go and do shorter races, more local events.
00:14:01
Speaker
So i wouldn't i wouldn't put in you have to a qualifying event. I would suggest you could put that in as part of if you are prepared to sign up for this qualifying event or one of these qualifying events, your chances in the ballot are increased or something like that potentially. um i do think that would be it would be a very interesting way to get a bit more interest in local races and doing more races. And it's certainly...
00:14:22
Speaker
i like I wish that beginners runners got as excited about doing 10k or a half marathon as they do about a marathon. But i understand it it is kind of positioned as the be all and end all and the thing you have to do once before you die and all that. But and lots of people do a marathon for their first event and do get into running, which is great. I just think probably my personal belief, more people would get into and stick with running if they did a 10k or half marathon first because it's a bit more manageable and they'd probably enjoy the day a bit more.
00:14:46
Speaker
um But... And I don't know why they ever got rid of the system where if you apply to the ballot so many times, you weren't guaranteed to play stuff. It was just too hard to do in terms of logistics, but didn't mind that. And the New York has a very good system as well, where if you volunteer or do some out of their races, you get a New York place. Again, that's something could be, London Marathon is acquiring a lot of events, but it's only acquiring marathons right now. So it might be nice if they picked up a few,
00:15:10
Speaker
events but it's a really tough one and ultimately I think the more people get to the Marathon the better and if it's someone who's never run before but they you know there's a lot of amazing stories about it turning into a lifelong obsession and you I'm not going to try and make anything a aggressively hard qualifying criteria if it was up to me but maybe some kind of suggestion even if they just put a suggestion in saying this is the London Marathon 10k approved 10k list for January or something it might be an idea to get people trying more races because a lot of people do anyway in the build up but yeah anyway where you Tom is a tricky one I think the only the solution, do you remember couple of years ago now, it was the um Paris Olympic marathon.
00:15:48
Speaker
Yeah. And they they had an app which basically had challenge challenges on it. like Like you get in Strava and stuff where you know this month you have to run three times 10K or something like that. And every time you did it, you that you everybody you signed up to each of those races, as well as signing up to just the app itself, you had to like do those challenges. And you got ballot places assigned to each of those challenges. was never about speed. It was always just about running. Yeah, it's nice, yeah.
00:16:16
Speaker
So it even if you were going out and doing... like Some of the challenges quite easy. They were you know going out twice a week and doing on a kilometre or two kilometres or something like that. And then that you you put it in. But really what it was doing was just...
00:16:29
Speaker
giving just making sure that people were interested in it because yeah you know and and also mean obviously people will be getting that there's a balance that people will be getting in those who are the same as now maybe they're not trained enough for at the marathon but it sort of protects you a little bit but also i think that that would work really well because you could partner with people like parkrun and races And you could sort promote or get people to be more involved with those things as well so that you're sort of building up the running base of it. So it's more of an incentive to get involved in it as a parkrun. Parkruns could be a good year. Like you say, if you've done this many, if you've volunteered or done this many parkruns, your ballot odds increase. would never say you'd have to have something that's fixed in that you have to do this, but...
00:17:10
Speaker
increasing the odds of someone who has shown more of an interest in running in the past, I think it wouldn't be too on unfair. mean, the part where volunteering even is great because it just shows you're, you know, you're interested in it. but Exactly, yeah. and um But in general, i do wish there was less of a focus. i know it's, from I'm a marathon and I talk about this all the time and we'd pick up London, but if if it would be nicer if there was a bit more of, there were are amazing events around the UK that even now have a ballot as well, often some of them, but like, you know, when we both did Loch Ness, I like that just as much as London in a different way and Manchester's solid marathon, Brighton's windy but good. And you know I think if there wasn't this London Marathon hoovering up every kind of interest in it, there might be a scope for more marathons and everything like that. But ultimately, it is what it is. People really to London Marathon. So the more people who get to do it, I think the better. And I think this two-day plan is not only – I don't think this will be a one-off. I think this is exactly what's going to happen in the future and more majors will be adopting it because –
00:18:02
Speaker
Every major is very hard to get into now, I'd say. And then even the races that were traditionally a tier below that are now ballots and becoming what majors used to be because London is so big. And while London is growing, well, because running is so big and while running is growing, i think the more people who get to do these things is better because we want to capitalize on the boom and get more people running and ideally watching YouTube videos about running.
00:18:23
Speaker
Yeah, good. All right, let's go back to the shoes. ah So Adam Buckle says, what do you think this year's game changer will be, i.e. the Evo SL equivalent?
00:18:35
Speaker
Kip stom tempo, I think, because super trainers
Game-Changer Running Shoes
00:18:38
Speaker
haven't, we haven't had a cheap super trainer yet, and it's a really good one. So I think... Yeah. i mean, it's literally half the price of the rivals. EVOS L was only like, you know, 50 quid cheaper or 20 quid cheaper than some of them. So yeah, can't think of unless someone releases a excellent 120 pounds carbon plate racing shoe.
00:18:56
Speaker
I can't see anything being as disruptive as the Kipstom tempo, especially here in the UK. Yeah. um and the other kipron shoes in general they've had a good line line up um i think you're right yeah i mean it's 99 pounds it's it's crazy yeah the the whole i know the china shoe thing is still floating about but it they' they're not even if they are really good they're not that cheap anymore so no maybe i don't know if there's a different ways to get them in the us in the uk i look today i i've been checking the diner for shawnee and occasionally on um I might buy... It's gone down a bit on AliExpress today. Oh, mine was like 190. it's gone down to 150 now, the one I was looking at. Okay. But even that, I mean, it's got to be pretty damn good for that to be an amazingly cheap deal.
00:19:40
Speaker
um Yeah, so they like they have been disrupted, but i think... in our bubble of the internet the extremely running keen shoe keen people the chinese shoes i think aren't they're not as disruptive in the real world i'd say and we are in the real world but it's not as disruptive as in the wider population as i think kipron has the scope to be because they are you know you can go you can go and buy them in a store and it's a well-known brand decathlon and they've launched in the us where they aren't so cheap but you know still Yeah, good. All
Shoe Rotation & Tracking Mileage
00:20:12
Speaker
right. Okay. So another question, a bit about training. So Scott Thomas ah asks, how do you approach your training between races? Do all your weekly setups differ much?
00:20:23
Speaker
Oh yeah, they differ a lot. yeah um Yeah, I'd probably do the most aggressively structured training. The most miles I'll do doubles. and Usually on Wednesdays, do double thresholds and a few workouts.
00:20:36
Speaker
When you vary quite a lot, I mean, i'm pretty traditional in what I do. I follow a coach plan and do structured workouts and doubles is the most normal thing I do, which is obviously a very big thing. ah Tom, you go up and down a bit, don't you?
00:20:48
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I would say the only the eddy races I really train for are marathons when I really am focused on those marathons. So i'm not I'm not consistently always training for PBs all the time. So really my my training calendar is but is maintenance and trying to get a faster park run and then ah a big marathon block if I really care about it. And then that's meant mainly when i get all my PBs afterwards. But and I'm ja basically in a consistent...
00:21:16
Speaker
maintenance cycle all the time. Yeah, with the Baileys blacked out month around Christmas. Yeah, but but ah ted I don't tend to give any PVs in January. me But yeah, so so mine is sort of, I'm sort of bubbling along. I know Kieran, Kieran's sort of quite consistent because he does a lot of the long distance stuff, doesn't he? He's always doing... Kieran's mostly low, low, low heart rate stuff, isn't he? he Yeah.
00:21:40
Speaker
Yeah, if he doesn't do too many like track workouts or workouts in general. He just... his mileage is less than mine but it's kind of he does bigger individual runs a lot of the time and Mike's wild card we don't know what he's doing okay quick question on the Chinese shoes one which is slightly different than what just said about it so DXB Runners says how do you think the rise in popularity of Chinese running shoes will impact the western ones
00:22:12
Speaker
don't think it will until they are... and I think running shoes in particular very focused and running around are very focused on but the median consumer. So this is exactly what i talk about. I and say like I'm not really writing about these Chinese shoes on my website because we're aimed, not because of global politics or conspiracies, but because we're aimed at...
00:22:30
Speaker
the person who's walking into the street and, you know, maybe looking at a Brooks or an Asics shoe because they're really easy to see and stuff like that. So I would say until you see that, those those kind of runners popping up in a Diner fish, fishies, Diner fish, the plural of fish is fish, um and other things like that, I don't think they're going to be too concerned by it, I would guess, or
Young Athletes' Training Focus
00:22:50
Speaker
worried by it. um If that does start to happen, then yeah, things might, they might start.
00:22:55
Speaker
I don't know. I just i just think if for that to happen, the Chinese shoes have to be available en masse and then they'll be subject to the usual guess import taxes and such like that and having to to pay the price of brick-and-mortar store and stuff like that so suddenly their prices won't be that different would be my guess.
00:23:09
Speaker
Yeah. and yeah the the only um I mean, we have we have had brands like 361 that have infiltrated, well, almost infiltrated the the Western market. And i think the thing about 361 is they didn't really have any mind-blowing shoes apart from... Yeah.
00:23:24
Speaker
So they set up European base maybe, yeah. Yeah. For the for the the the Chinese shoe brands to really make an impact on the UK, you're going to have to get them in at a really cheap price and they're can have to be really, really good. That's the only way. they're coming at the same price as all the other shoes and they're the same quality,
00:23:41
Speaker
and Yeah, that's the thing. I think even when Puma relaunched, the reason that they actually did get some traction was because a Velocity was a fair bit cheaper and a really good shoe things like that. And then it's taken to like the fast R3 to really make an impact of that. And you've got to have really good shoes.
00:23:55
Speaker
And yeah, ideally be quite cheap. And, you know, if you're talking about the average one on the street, like... The reason you brands, no I remember really clearly talking about this as brand when Nike had a debate flight out for a couple of years. and I was talking to a brand going, why don't you just put a plate in one of your shoes? We're not going to sell any of these. doesn't matter. Like um we don't sell any of our racing shoes really. know Compared to you know the comfort focus shoes, the really aggressively technical high tech stuff is bit of a blip on the radar and in general. So to then, you know but I think they yeah certainly aren't worrying about that kind of cutting into their sales yet, would say.
00:24:26
Speaker
na no like Okay, a quick one from Gian Posco. Adidas marathon rotation. iing just What was your due rotation from Adidas?
00:24:37
Speaker
ah I'd get the Hyperboost Edge as my daily doing a lot of stuff, I'd say. Comfort daily for a marathon. it's ah you It's a bit more stable and comfortable than the Evo Cell. If you're having three shoes, I'd get the Evo Cell as well. And then I would get the Pro 4 and you're not going to get the Pro Evo 3 would be my guess.
00:24:59
Speaker
I don't think I've tried it off to use Adidas recently to pick the mean, it's good to see the EVOSL and the Adios Pro 4, but... The question would be whether you'd chuck in something like the Supernova instead of the Hyperboost Edge for EasyRods, is a fair bit cheaper, and is the Supernova Primer was a perfectly good daily trainer.
00:25:17
Speaker
I haven't tested the latest Supernova Rise. i think that'll be fine as well if you just need you know, you're not too fussed about it. And then... In which case, then you'd be picking between the high boost edge and the EVO SL for tempo and speed days.
00:25:27
Speaker
You know, if you're doing in a marathon, I really don't do a lot of all out speed. And so, you know, going for the cushier speed shoe might be a good option, but it kind depends what your workouts are like.
00:25:40
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Okay. There's a good one that's probably more safe for you than me from Oliver Webb, Oliver Webb 4. How do you track the miles on your running shoes when testing so many? Big old spreadsheet, big old classic spreadsheets. It's, yeah, I just put in the shoes details, which is also very handy, havent hand hand for the videos and stuff. And then yeah each run I say what it is and the total distance and then I can just highlight all
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the cells. I'm not very good at computers, you can probably understand that. highlight all the cells, Tom, and then it gives me a number that tells me the cumulative amount of those cells.
00:26:13
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Yeah. How do you do it? Well, but mine is considerably easier yours because I generally run, as you can, if you've seen my Strava, the same routes all the time and the same distances. So basically, because we have so many shoes, I just have but all of them in ah a lot like in a pile in in my room. And I know once I've got to like four runs in one shoe, I put that into another pile and go, right, i can move on to the next shoe now as a...
00:26:38
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basically got two piles two piles perfect easy yeah yeah i don't i don't monitor it if you want my strava i still got the same pair i did start like putting in the strava that's it's never gonna happen that's yeah yeah so i'm currently at like 504 the beacon 5400 in the new family so you could one did love that shoe to be fair so i will get an email once a week saying it's time to change your shoes no it still works yeah yeah um i can tell you so i don't really I can tell you to two decimal places, any shoe in the last three or four years. you want to one, Tom? Pick one at random for the last four years. I'll bring it up.
00:27:17
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1080V13. 1080V13. That's the soft one, isn't it? and That was the soft one. I did 52.46K, easy 60, easy to steady five miles, 90-minute half marathon, and a easy five miles as well.
00:27:34
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Good, I didn't want to know that. Well, but the point is you could want to know it. And if you did, the stats were at hand. That's never going to Probably animate that, actually. We'll do it at the pub sometime. Okay, just going through these. Okay, this is bit of a Might not have the answer to this, but um Brendan Nellworth, 20. As a young athlete, is it better to train for shorter, faster distances or longer things?
00:28:03
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Well, i I just saw a 12-year-old run a 120 half marathon, Tom. um Yeah, I saw that. i believe, but I don't think it seems to be true. i I think it's nice to do short stuff first. I don't think there's any rush to go and do half marathons, marathons, 10Ks.
00:28:19
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I think there's a thrill and a joy to doing things the way I didn't do, and I wish I had done looking back. I saw when you got into running late and obviously went straight into roads and the marathon. I'd have loved to do you know series on the track and 1500 and five k and all that and really experience that while you're good at it and young as opposed to approaching it as a 34 5 6 year old and I was just getting beaten by 14 year olds week in week out um so I think it's definitely that and it is it is it's a toll on the body to do the training for longer events that I think is a necessary and potentially dangerous I don't know about the dangers of it and I don't know that Tom you're you've got qualifications in this what do you tell young people to do
00:28:57
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ah Well, they ah that bit I think it's what might massively dependent on the individual. There's probably some young people that are better suited to the fastest stuff. But I think as in as a in general, you're probably, that when you're younger, you're probably naturally a little bit fitter naturally as you get older you sort of have to
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00:29:17
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put a lot more effort into retaining fitness so i see a lot of parkrun where there's a lot of young young people running and they are really fast and when i spoke them they say they don't they don't really train that much they're just you know just young yeah young and naturally faster a park run very good at a park run but what i do find with them is that i normally ever take them in the later case because they sort of slow down because they're they're not training for it fools
00:29:40
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Sorry? They're fools, that's they are. Well, I love it. I absolutely love it. I told you by the time I ah had my Silent Hunter shoes on. Definitely, it unless you're putting in lots of training for the endurance side of things, yeah I don't think being young really helps with endurance side of things especially. but It helps with the fitness and the the natural sort of speed.
00:29:59
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yeah um But yeah, I think if you... if you you really like long distance young go for a long distance that's you know a lot of young people do cross country and stuff and do long distances on that but um yeah i'd say that kind distance yeah but if you're i'd say i you know if my when my kids get older and if they came to me at 17 18 i want to train for a marathon i would probably advise against it would be yeah the truth with my own children so yeah um i just don't think it's necessary to rush those things and there's so much again it's as someone who is you know obsessively focused with the marathon now i do think there's a lot of running to do and enjoy other than the really really long stuff but yeah think my don't think my club accepts until quite old actually yeah to do anything outside of the track um and i yeah muscles everything your body's developing let's give it time to develop i guess
00:30:51
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Okay. Let's do a couple more. ah Try this one. and Oh, this is was this one for you, Nick. i'm go ah I'm going to run a marathon in three weeks and was wondering what data fields you were using when you race.
00:31:06
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Oh, where's my Garmin? That's Nagasa.
00:31:11
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So like it depends what you care about when you race. So I don't have heart rate on my race screen, for example, because don't care about my heart rate as in a marathon. I'm just trying to run a time. And if I can't, you know, would tried to run it anyway, regardless of what the heart rate says. So I have, for London Marathon, I set up a special screen, run my normal race screen, which is top is race distance, total distance, bottom is total time, middle is lap pace. And then below that, I have 500 meters rolling pace to... base just keep you because it was a I was doing it in miles on the marathon. Just keep me going in each mile roughly. The rolling pace keeps you roughly on pace throughout it. The lap pace is the thing that matters.
00:31:47
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And I would reset the laps if they got too far out of whack from the markers. So that's the simplest. setup I have I'd say for a race that's what I use when I'm targeting a time quite specifically if it's a race we're going to know you're going to have terrible GPS I might use one of the Connect IQ apps that allows you to correct the distance like Peter's race pacer and which is I think very cheap or even free app and basically if you go past a marker and then hit lap on that it will correct the distance and your stats and predicted time everything like that so you've got accurate information and yeah if I was doing a really long race or I was just running it for fun I would use heart rate but
00:32:23
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Yeah, for for serious races, at that pace is the biggest thing. I basically break every race down into, you know, the chunks in either Ks or the miles and do the maths in my head about where I am above or, you know, if i if I'm ahead or behind pace at each marker as well. I do. that I'd like doing that maths in my head to basically um distract myself from the race.
00:32:41
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How about you, Tom? Well, if I'm not really training for anything, I don't really care. The only things I'm really looking at are yes a yeah heart rate and pace. I look at heart rate just because I'm quite bad at gauging cause Because i have my training fluctuates, I can get fitter and less fit and not really think about it. and then like Because I've been out of action for a few weeks, but I've just been the last few runs, I've looked at my heart rate going, Christ, was a bit higher than normal.
00:33:09
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And it's good to see because like, yeah, just slow down. There's no need for me to speed up on if my heart rate is high. But that's different when I'm doing actual training because then I will be using with my coach, I'll get, I'll have training pizza on my watch and it'll adjust based what the session is. So, know, obviously I'll be using, if I'm doing,
00:33:33
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I use lap pace if I'm doing intervals and things like that. But um I don't really use that much. I'm not, there's nothing that really affects me. It's a really good pace that I care about. I'd say a lot of races, so most races are just, you know, like club races. only thing I care about on the watch is distance. You know, how far am I away from the distance? If you know, if on a course that, yeah, the only time I'm in a race, I'm really using I would say I'm really using a ah word watch is dead flat, I'm going for a time. Otherwise, I'm just kind of, you know, well i but I'm running reasonably hard. i'm trying to get in a group and go from there. and The other thing, i was there was something I was going to say. I don't use current pace, and i don't use that at any point in my running, really. It just fluctuates. Watches are pretty good on current pace, but I just... I use current pace. I just find it... I'd rather have the actual a bit of averaging just to get you a bit more accurate.
00:34:22
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It just looks great quite a lot and then you do get a bit of sassy. If you ever see any those photos of me running races, I'm constantly just looking at my watch because it's changing so much. I don't want to be speeding up just because current places hit a dark zone, a GPS dark zone and just um got wrong, basically. So yeah, I would say that I think the most important thing in the race is is always just know if you're out if your watch is accurate. So don't go by what your watch says. Make sure you're lapping it at actual lap markers to make sure you've got more accurate information because otherwise you're going to end up short of your time because nearly all the time you'll run further than the race distance.
00:34:55
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Okay, one more. Yeah, sounds good. Okay, so this is from Big Yawn Hippo. Are these like randomly generated, these ones? i think they must be. i Big Yawn Hippo, good night.
00:35:07
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It says, after completing a race at max effort, I did a 10k last Sunday, should the following week be all easy runs with no speed work? ah I know I would say like I mean it depends how it's your first NK have you just you know trained for that maybe in which case then but after any race other than a marathon i will do probably two days easy and i'll be doing my normal workouts on a Wednesday yeah 10k is a very forgiving distance but it is entirely dependent on you ah yeah i coach some people and I some Some people I would say don't don't do speed work after because I know their recovery takes longer and if I throw in speed work, it's just pointless because they're just going to really struggle and it's not going to be very nice. yeah um But then yeah some people who are but yeah more generally either younger or better ah trained, they're probably
00:35:52
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recover very a lot quicker. 10Ks are like, you know, if you go down to the track on a Wednesday, that session might be harder than your 10K max effort.
00:36:02
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10K, for some people, it's like a speed session. it depends on much you've gone to the well in it. is Also, I'd say if you are worried about doing speed work the week after, obviously take as much rest as you need. That's always the first thing to do. But sometimes after a race, nearly always was actually ah Not with, if I'm marathon building, I would think, but after like, for my first beach session back after London Marathon, for example, it will almost certainly be fartlek. So it would just be run one minute hard, 30 second easy, something like that 20 times. Don't try and hit paces or anything like that. Because, yeah, you don't know how much the race is in the legs. It's just a case of getting yourself a bit of effort.
00:36:32
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But yeah, so I'd say the only one where I would, even after a half marathon in a marathon build, I'd be doubling on the Wednesday often afterwards. Yeah. And it probably also depends on your level as well. i mean, if you were an elite and you're, you running a jk in...
00:36:44
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27 minutes you yeah might need a bit more recovery is that is that an elite yeah it's pretty foster very fast yeah you might need a bit more recovery if you've done that than somebody who's maybe more like a beginner and you're running and know an hour or 10k yeah you might put because you're not putting the the same sort of pressure on the legs and and everything i mean these days people are running you know workout day after a marathon it's madness out there I always take at least ah ah two weeks after a marathon.
00:37:14
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i'm um What am I now? I'm 10 days out. So I'm running. i haven't run anything hard yet since the marathon. I won't run anything hard until yeah maybe the Saturday, two weeks after the marathon. ten Yeah, 10K is I think you measure it. yeah You just have to know your body.
00:37:28
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and Yeah, and you've got knee gloss and you've inflamed. I mean, there's absolutely no need to do speed work if your 10K was your goal and now you're looking for your next goal. But if you've hit your 10K and you you know have another race lined up, yeah I'd be back into training pretty normally quite quickly.
00:37:40
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Cool. All right then. Well, there we go. That's ah the return of Points of Shoe. Points of Shoe. Now with video. Now with video. thanks ah Thanks for everyone who sent in questions. We're going to try and do these a bit more frequently now so you can actually get through a lot of the questions that appear on the channel. and um Yeah. We're going do to we're go do every other week.
00:37:59
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I say that with the confidence of a man looking into the future. Yeah, yeah, good. All right, well. Are we going to do any cutaways this? It's just me, us chatting, you reckon, and Tom? I'm just going to do us chatting. It'd be way too hard to do cutaways on Yeah, I agree, i agree. It'd take me about five hours to find these random cutaways. Yeah.
00:38:16
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So, yes, it is what it is, basically. You can always do you can all do the audio version if you don't need to sit looking at faces. I think a lot of people do listen just let just listen to our videos anyway. So, yeah. Cool. All right. Well, that's it for the return of Points of Shoot. Thank you very much for all the questions. We had really good round of questions this time.
00:38:32
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Yeah, they were great. So let's keep that up for the future. Right. Catch you later, Nick. Bye.
00:38:42
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This podcast was presented by Tom Wheatley and Nick Harris-Fry. It was produced by Tom Wheatley. The music was by Fear of Tigers.