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FF 005 - Manhood in the Church and Home - Part 2
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In the continuation of our conversation with Mark Blowers, we discuss who should be directing the Church, is singleness good or bad, the dangers of passivity in a man, what is "Satan's Motto", and what pastoral excuse has been removed from American Christianity.
Also, is the Ark Encounter worth visiting? Can you eat Reese's for breakfast? These subjects and more in this controversial episode. You don't want to miss it!
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Introduction and Sponsorship
00:00:01
Speaker
Hey everybody, thank you for tuning in to the Preacher Dad podcast. We're so glad to have you here. Today we're going to do part two of our discussion ah discussion with Mark Blauers about masculinity, biblical manhood, how does it affect the church, how does it affect the family.
00:00:18
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And I'm excited to share this with you and I hope that it'll be an encouragement to you and give you some guidance and understanding. Maybe you completely disagree with us, that's okay. You can send in your disagreements to jared at preacherdad.com.
00:00:32
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But we sure are excited to share this with you. But before we do, I just want to quickly remind you that this podcast is brought to you by Cornerstone Fellowship. Cornerstone Fellowship is that tiny church with a big heart out in the middle of nowhere in Georgia. But we sure would love to fellowship with you.
00:00:47
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If you have a chance to come just a little north of Tombsboro, Georgia, we would love to love on you. And if not, you can check us out online at That's cornerstonefellowship-ga.org.
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And find some encouragement, some sermons, whatever you may need there, and reach out to us. We would love to pray for you. And that is what we are seeking to do there at Cornerstone Fellowship. So God bless you. Without any further ado, here's Fatherhood Friday.
Biblical Masculinity Discussion Begins
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Hey everybody, welcome to Fatherhood Friday. We are glad that you are here with us today. And I'm Jared, I'm the Preacher Dad, I'm the host of the Preacher Dad podcast. And I'm here again today with Matt Stewart and Tony Russell, who are helping me out and covering for all my mistakes and, you know, just being the rear guard I need. And we're very glad to have our good friend Mark Blowers here with us today. We are discussing again ah biblical masculinity, I did want to bring up a ah debate that I had recently.
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um My wife and I were discussing which is the best vowel I won.
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No? You guys muted your mics, didn't you? So nobody can hear all of your laughter. Your dad jokes have no effect on me.
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ah Your dad jokes have no effect on me. Hey, Jared, I just want to just want to say, because people may be wondering what happened to Nate Eisner, because he is one of the four people on this podcast. I've been watching that for about 10 years. What happened? Yeah.
00:02:45
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So I just wanted to say he's in Alaska at a wedding. And he said, um tell him I killed a bear with my bare hands and now I'm making bone broth from its skull.
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but So just wanted to mention that's what Nate's doing in Alaska right now. I'm not going to say it's all false. What did you say? said it's probably 30% true. i It can't all be false.
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Some of that has to be right. i He probably saw a bear from the airplane. Yeah. yeah yeah
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Well, that's that's good stuff. We do miss Nate, and I'm sure he's he's kicking himself for not being able to be here. But, I mean, hey.
Defining Biblical Masculinity
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you know, you got to do you got to do what you got to That is actually the manhood thing that you, that you should be doing. You got to accept responsibility. And if you missed part one, you need to go back and check it out so that you can be up to date on what we're discussing. But we were discussing some of the ah biblical definitions of masculinity.
00:03:45
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I'd like to mention those briefly before I throw it over to Matt. um But biblical masculinity, according to Robert Lewis and some of his books, Raising Modern Day Knight and other things, biblical masculinity rejects passivity, accepts responsibility, leads courageously, and expects a greater reward. It's eternally minded is what that last one really is.
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And I really feel like that's a solid biblical definition. But um Matt, what are some of the, we've been talking about manhood in the church, masculinity that is important.
Women's Roles in Church Leadership
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What are some of the the counter arguments or the the way that some folks on the other side might try to argue with some of the things that Mark was sharing with us last night Yeah. So we all know that, um, that women, sorry there's a lot of very godly women in the church, right. That are, um, extremely smart.
00:04:42
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Um, just the type of feminine women you need, you want in your church. And so I think a lot of people, um, think, well, if we've got somebody that's just that um gifted, that that the Holy Spirit has worked in so much, why can't she have a seat at the table and help lead this church? We know you know we know she can't preach, but she should be able to be in the decision-making, right? And it you know where does it say in Scripture she shouldn't be seated at the table with other men
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elders or deacons or whatever. why why can't how do you How do you defend that, Mark?
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um
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That the elders of a church have authority over the congregants of the church. They they are under authority as well, um but that position is a position of of authority, and the vision casting within that will will influence there will influence that congregation in a certain direction.
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um you know it's
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It's a kind of thing where it's like Uzzah and the Ark, right? Where it's just like you you sit there and you you can look at that story where he reaches up and he puts his hand on the Ark to steady it and, you know,
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and God strikes them dead. And it's you can sit there and you can say, all the intentions are good, everything is good, but they forgot what God had said. you know And it's like just, you don't have to be a brilliant theologian, you just have to be obedient, and God can can use that
Church Elders and Accountability
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greatly.
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And i I think that God could, that the way brilliant godly women in our churches can help in executing that vision casting is by asking the elders, how can I help?
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Right? Like, it's it's not a it's not a be quiet and be pregnant and be in the kitchen. You know, a woman's a woman's priority certainly should be her home, but her place is not the home.
00:07:17
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um I think that that's a big distinction um and that, that she should be helping in, in the community and in the church um because she will, she will execute and help execute um what the elders decide in a way that is beautiful um because women beautify things, you know, and, and that is um and Bush- And they are a help right it's like they are the helpers and and they, and that is that's just simply just simply put like they can help um but once the elder board comes out of the room.
00:08:02
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Michael Bush- that's kind of my after making decisions that's kind of my my thinking of it um. yeah. Bush- thinking you're saying that they should have they should have influence just not a vote.
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um they I mean, i don't mean it in a civic sense. I'm not saying we should take away women's right to vote. Can we talk about that for the next 45 minutes?
00:08:32
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No, no. That's not what I meant. For now, we're talking about whether or not a woman has the right to vote on the direction of the church.
00:08:47
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And your contention is that really no, the elders should be leading and making the decisions for the congregation. And the congregation can um give counsel and even women in the congregation can give advice and ideas and counsel, but they should not be the decision makers.
00:09:07
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I'm not sure exactly where I stand on church voting. I generally am okay with it on the big things, but but I do believe in elder-led congregations uh is that what you're saying mark yeah and i mean it's just like you know an elder board that doesn't take into consideration the congregation that they're leading is is just pretty foolish right um yeah but but a vote is a is an element of of of power in that decision making that is um you know that and and
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And you want them to be able to have say so and to be able to give their voice. But at the end of the day, you know, it's it's the elder board who's going to be held responsible for the direction of Christ's church and and the condition of those souls. Right. So it's and if you just want to go to the family, like if a wife and a husband are disagree over something, it's probably not very appropriate for every response to be. I'm the head of the home. You know, I but i say it now, now be quiet and just follow.
00:10:14
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um but it might be appropriate to talk about it and then be like, no, we're still going to go with my decision, right? Because that's just, at the end of the day, there has to be that decision. And at the end of the day, there are heads of organizations that will be held responsible. And so, yeah. I was going to speak to that real quick. So a previous church we went to, um one of the first, one,
00:10:42
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like one-on-one classes or whatever, and they're talking, they're explaining it or talking to ah people about possible membership and all that.
Men's Roles in Church and Family
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They said, look, there's five of us pastors and they were all obviously all male.
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And they're like, look we, we make the decisions for this church based off of, and we're going to run this church the way that the Bible tells us to run it. We hold each other accountable. We're making the decisions.
00:11:06
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If we let you make the decisions, you're going to screw it up. That's literally what he said. I'm like, wow, because I'm used to voting for everything. You know, it's's it's all got to be done a certain way. and They're like, no, yeah we're doing it our way.
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You can either come along with us or you can just go somewhere else. And I'm like, well, that's I've never heard that before. But you were talking, Jared, about, you know, being courageous and um making, you know, making the hard decisions, accepting responsibility. mean, they' they're fully like it's all on them.
00:11:37
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Now, they also and like you were saying, Mark, um They know their congregation and they're certain and they still let people vote.
00:11:48
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Just so they can get an idea of where the the the members stand, like what what they're thinking. So like if, fifty you know, 60 percent of the people do not want to this ah to elect this new pastor elder or whatever, then they're like, OK, well, we maybe we should evaluate this further.
00:12:05
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But ultimately, it's more to survey than then of correct. Yeah, more. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so that was um that was new. um But I think it can be it can be pretty healthy. You know, it can be a good way to do it as long as you got some solid. Go ahead, Tony.
00:12:22
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Sorry. The general question of why why shouldn't she be at the table is a backwards question. it the The question assumes that she should be there and you must justify why she should not be there.
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And it's actually the reverse. like There are select seats at that table. God has carved them out already and left us a description of what they ought to be and who ought to fulfill them. You have to tell me how you fulfill the the requirements that God has laid out for these roles of leadership.
00:12:51
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If you can't, then I don't have any reason to try to justify for you why you must be monster must not be there. The scripture has already set the guide. I don't get to have an opinion at this point to to validate for you and your sensibilities why God's caring, loving kindness has set his his standard as such.
00:13:11
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That's up to his wisdom and his his infinite knowledge of who you deeply are as a woman and who these deeply are as a man. And it has nothing to do with you being an inferior being in any way to man that God has called to lead you ah in your church.
00:13:27
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What it means is that your station and your opportunity is different and that if you aren't watching your part of the wall, it's going to fall. And your part of the wall is not over top of everybody else.
00:13:38
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Your part of the wall is difficult. And it's okay. It's a beautiful thing. And when you step into that thing and service and submission to the Lord, through the service and submission of the church leaders, a beautiful aspect of the body starts to function properly.
00:13:53
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Whenever you fall into the sin of Eve and need to be the head of something and need to be the leader of something and need to be in front of something, um Yeah, you could be an incredibly godly spiritual woman.
00:14:05
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There are a lot of incredibly godly spiritual men who also do not qualify for that particular role because they also fall short in all the categories and their expectations that that role needs to provide. that is not that That is not the set of standards that God has given us for which we should vanguard those particular roles.
00:14:21
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And the fact of the matter is, lights are out. The fact of the matter is any role of leadership, especially inside of the body of God, is a treacherous one. Your job is dangerous.
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you're If you're doing it well, your job is going to have massive consequences to you, ah either good or bad. If you sell it out, then horrible. if you If you run it well, then fantastic.
00:14:45
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But there's there's you're putting yourself in a very spiritual precarious limelight to specific types of attack and specific invitation to exploit your weakness.
00:14:59
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And one of the things that men do better with other men is call each other out on their crap. but Men do not like to do that with women. Men feel obligated to guard them, to protect them, to watch over them, not to confront them.
00:15:14
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That's not that's not a big aspect of how we wish to lead or how in our character we we feel like we're helping. But if you are my brother and I deeply love you and I deeply care for you and I see that you're stumbling, going to be in your face.
00:15:28
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in the most loving way that I possibly can, but I'm going to be bold enough that to stop you before I see you mess up your family. However, there's so much more to the dynamic between the man and the woman in the leadership panel that starts to eliminate how effective some of that accountability can be.
00:15:45
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that To me, that seems to be the most obvious reason why you wouldn't ever want to open yourself up to try to reinterpret all of God's scriptures and and commandments towards church leadership.
00:15:56
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to try to allow something that he never wants for. That's a very powerful point, Tony. Very powerful point. Hey, um if I could transition just a little bit.
00:16:07
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um Mark, so we're talking about authority in a church, leadership. Well, most people listening to this podcast are not going to be um in leadership of a church.
00:16:23
Speaker
So what is just Biblical masculinity look like for us average dudes in church?
Practical Masculinity for Non-Leaders
00:16:32
Speaker
Like what should we be doing? um um and owner on on a, on a Sunday during the week, weekends, like how do we live that out?
00:16:42
Speaker
Got to make bone broth out of a bear skull. That's part of it. Right. Great brother. mean,
00:16:52
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i mean it Healthy churches are made up of healthy families. And so I think it starts with, um it starts in the home.
00:17:04
Speaker
um I just think that that's just obvious. um you've You've got to, ah you know, works wash your wife with the water of the word and and and lead her in that way, but also to, um men need to desire families.
00:17:22
Speaker
um Men need to, to want that and to see that as a good thing. um And I know i' I'll get to, I guess the church point, but it's like, that is just so important for men to just stop putting off growing up until they're 35. Right.
00:17:43
Speaker
And, and I, I wouldn't say that men need to like, you know, just the earlier you get married, the better it's like, no, I do think that you, you should really have a vocation and pursue like,
00:17:54
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a work first, you know, like you want your wife to be able to come along, you know, marry into something that you're doing, right? Like not just I'm 17 and I should get married young, but all I do is, you know, play Grand Theft Auto. It's like, no, like, like have something that you're call your wife to something. um And then, and then give her a family um and give yourself a family and give your church a family.
00:18:20
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um And so, and that's like, 90% of it, right? It's just devoting yourself to raising these eternal souls and evangelizing them, right?
00:18:34
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um and And having your wife help you do that. um But beyond that, it's first, is it is it first Timothy where it talks about the, I exhort all men everywhere to be lifting up and ah holy hands and and the praying ah for the rulers in that in that area. um I think it's, it might be, second I think it's 2 Timothy.
00:18:58
Speaker
But that's, ah it's kind of an interesting section where it's like, where it's, it's having this prayer, this, this action of the church to be, um to be done by the men, right?
00:19:15
Speaker
And, and men should pursue areas of service within the church, you know, look at what you're, look at the the vision and the mission of your church and just see like, okay, how can how can I help?
00:19:31
Speaker
Right. How can I come alongside? if If men are not involved in their churches, then, um you know, and have this kind of lone wolf Christian christian mentality, like you're, you're just, you're just hurting me.
00:19:47
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the body of the Christ that you claim to be out there all by yourself with. Um, and you, you know, look at where you look for areas and if you can't see them, then go and ask them, you know, for them.
00:20:03
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But, but the church should really be devoted to, to just a handful of things. And the men need to make sure that their families are, are one going to church with them.
00:20:16
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Um,
00:20:19
Speaker
What would you say to someone who challenges you with their gift of singleness?
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00:22:07
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Or have you ever heard of that particular um line of thinking before?
Singleness: Gift or Trial?
00:22:12
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i Trying to identify with how holy Paul is. Right. Yeah.
00:22:19
Speaker
I would say that that is would say one, it's it's probably more of ah a curse than it is a gift. um And and you know and and know I want to say this flipping because I know there are people who really struggle with with stop with singleness as a as a suffering thing.
00:22:39
Speaker
And so yeah don't try to trick yourself into thinking that it needs to be a gift. Like, it's okay to view that as a bad thing is, is one way that I'd like to put it, you know, think of it as like, you know, as a trial.
00:22:53
Speaker
Um, yeah. And, and pursue to get out of that, I think is a good thing. Um, as opposed to this kind of like therapeutic, like, just think that it's, that it's good. And think of all these great things you can do for the kingdom. The kingdom grows through families, right? Like through you, I wake up every day with ah you know three people that I need to lead the Lord.
00:23:19
Speaker
right like this is and and This is what you do. you you um Be fruitful and multiply is ah is a mission that you should continue to ah to carry out. um so I would say that... Don't think of... Excuse me, Mark. i thought you were done. um i I would say that singleness is something that God does call some people to.
00:23:47
Speaker
I know some people that I really feel like they just, it never happened for them. And they're, they're actually completely content that way. um I think it does happen, but I think it's rare.
00:23:58
Speaker
It's like a Christian getting called to the NFL. Okay. mr bar make the nfl You know, God bless you. ah But that's not very common.
00:24:10
Speaker
And I don't think that, being called to singleness is very common. And that's that's, I think, the way I look at it. i think I think sometimes men find it easier to say stuff like that, that I'm called to this life of singleness, than to address personal failure.
00:24:27
Speaker
I think that there's it's significantly easier to say that God just hasn't brought me my bride than to recognize the fact that you don't brush your teeth very often. You're significantly overweight. You're lazy.
00:24:37
Speaker
You don't participate in hardly anything that builds your community or your church. Those are the types of things like I think that, um you know, especially with men who experience rejection a couple times at the right time in their life can turn that into a crutch of, well, I'm just not built for this. or I'm not built for that. And that can transform it in a huge amount of aspects of how you as a man ought to be participating in the church.
00:25:07
Speaker
Turns into self-doubt and turns into excuse for incapacity or or lack of participation makes you apathetic towards what you are as a man. And that ends up becoming soul crushing.
00:25:20
Speaker
No gift of God is going to crush your soul. Your gifts from God bring you closer to his purpose in your life. And with that, the satisfaction and fulfillment that you're doing his will and the pleasure of a father proud of a son doing his will.
00:25:33
Speaker
If you are under a gift that makes you feel like you're not living up or capable of doing the thing you're built to do. It's not a gift.
00:25:44
Speaker
It's something you need to work through. And like like what you're saying, Mark, it can absolutely be a season of trial. And I know people that are in that gift of singleness aspect, but they're not single because they've given up.
00:25:59
Speaker
And they're not single because there's, you know, their their effort on being the builder and being the participant inside of the body and the work of God has just never been there. They're single because that is a drive so far down on their their personal aspirational list that it just doesn't really make it to the surface hold at all that often.
00:26:19
Speaker
And they're unique people. But there are very specific people, very godly people that are very in that camp. You know, Tony, something here. I'm sorry.
00:26:30
Speaker
i go ahead. I'm not trying to interrupt. I'm not trying to. um you You are touching on something that's very significant.
Rejecting Passivity in Marriage and Church
00:26:38
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And you've done it a couple times today, just so you know.
00:26:42
Speaker
But this one is what you're describing is passivity, passivity in a man, the the tendency to be lazy, to just sit back and be passive, to let things happen rather than making them happen.
00:26:56
Speaker
I'm just going to sit back and watch what happens in the world rather than making it happen. That's what happened in the Garden of Eden. Adam was standing there as Satan was tempting Eve. And he just kind of stood back and was like, well, it's going happen when she takes this bite.
00:27:11
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Because it says she gave to her husband with her. He was there. He just got passive. And that's really ah a huge issue for men everywhere.
00:27:22
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And I think that, you know, when it comes to Matt, what you're saying about, ah you know, just a regular Christian a man in the church who's not necessarily in leadership, doesn't necessarily feel that burden or isn't called upon to play that role at this point in their life.
00:27:39
Speaker
They still can, they must accept responsibility. The responsibility that God has laid upon every man. That's part of what manhood is, is walking in responsibility and accepting it.
00:27:51
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And you have to reject that passivity that's so easy to fall into, especially in a marriage. My wife is really good at lots of stuff. She's really good at stuff.
00:28:02
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And it's easy for me to go, hey, great job, babe. Take care of that for me. All right. I'm going to sit over here and just watch you work. You know, I'm i'm not going to do anything. got to be the guy that's making it happen. I've got to be the guy that's driving the vision.
00:28:16
Speaker
If my wife begins to drive the vision, I will lose my entire family. I believe that from the bottom of my soul. If I begin to be passive in my home and let my wife make all the decisions,
00:28:28
Speaker
and drive the vision and say i think that it'd be great to have this and I'm like okay fine honey do what you want to do my kids will not catch that vision they will lose it and especially when it comes to faith if ah if a father is not leading his family in faith his children will abandon the faith and I believe that is an epidemic problem in our nation husbands just let their wives be the spiritual leader in the home because way they don't feel They don't feel competent or they feel unworthy or whatever, and they're just passively letting their wives lead the family to church.
00:29:02
Speaker
And you know God works through all kinds of things, and I'm not saying that you know those children are doomed, but you know God could send them an atheist friend and a death metal song. you know That's going to lead them to Jesus. know You never know. You don't need to pray for that, but you can – it may happen.
00:29:20
Speaker
But my point is that you are significantly handicapping your whole family if you allow passivity to eke its way into the way that you're interacting with your wife and with your entire family, which, of the course, then, like you're saying, Mark, that trickles over into the way that we interact with our church, with our pastor, with the other men in our church.
00:29:41
Speaker
If we're just willing to sit back and go to men's prayer breakfast once a month and let the ladies run everything else. That's why men don't want to come to church is because they don't find anything that compels their compels their heart and their vision for their family or their community. And they're just like, well, that's just a ladies club. I'm not really interested in that.
00:30:00
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Yeah. And, um you know, like, so just two things, like one is if you, one thing that really helped me just overcome that kind of passivity and just being like, yeah, sure, honey, whatever, you know, I mean, happy life, and happy wife's happy life is like Satan's motto.
00:30:16
Speaker
ah He loves it. This will keep men in that mentality, right? and And one of the things is like, Michelle will ask me, like, you know, what what do you think if she's painting something? It's like, do you think green or this green or that green?
00:30:30
Speaker
And like, when I was really trying to be intentional about making decisions and actually like doing things, it's like, even if you don't care, make a decision, right? Like if you truly don't care about it, like still just be like that green.
00:30:44
Speaker
That's what you're going to do. And it's like, oh, great. yeah like that Michelle would much rather have that than maybe be like, well, whatever you want. I like that you like it. you know And it's like, I just like whatever you like. It's like, no, I want you to make a decision and and choose it.
00:30:58
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um Because actually women do want to be led, I think, in their nature, um even if they must buck against it a little bit. If it can be done well, they they want that. But see, here's the thing.
00:31:10
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Here's the thing, Mark. She has to be willing to live with the color, even if it ends up looking bad. Exactly. That is part of it. You just picked this horrible color. I can't believe you do that. Right. I mean, that's part of the beauty of headship, how God made the world, right? You live with the consequences of your head.
00:31:28
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And as Christians, we live with the consequences and we reap the benefits of our head, right? Like that's that's the beauty of it. And we also have the curse of Adam as our head.
00:31:40
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And it's like, we know both sides. And and ah and a wife does need to do that. Right. She has to be able to say, i will suffer the consequences of wherever you go, but you, but you make this decision.
00:31:54
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And, and I think another thing that, that this was just kind of an an off point, but it's like, like, I think men were made for like mission and making those decisions and, and going after something.
00:32:07
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you know, I, I know what you said, Tony, about video games. I'm going to say it regardless. i Because I love video games as well, but like video games are are literally like the... It's like pornography for that mission drive in a man. if if you are if you are doing it all the time, and that is what takes up your time. you know You have this mission, and you're going out, and you're accomplishing, and you're leveling up, and you're doing all this, and you're getting that endorphin you know feed. and then
00:32:38
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But there is no accomplishment. right And it's the same thing of pornography. Right. yeah It's the same. It's the same trajectory where you're getting the sensation without the without the end. And it's like that is why there's this correlation of men that just are sucked into video games and not pursuing any kind of mission.
00:33:00
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Right. And I really i really think that that can be in, in ah you know, it's just as much of an epidemic. And that's because I was caught in it. Right. um But anyways.
00:33:13
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That's those are my two points as you were talking. I was like, that's just that's so helping. Good stuff. Hey, let's do a lightning round.
Lightning Round and Closing Remarks
00:33:24
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Lightning round today ah is what is something that a lot of people probably don't know, but that they need to know?
00:33:34
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It can be something in the news. It can be something. It can be any subject, something in the Bible. It can be something for your marriage, for your family, whatever. So i got I got one and I'll go ahead and and just throw it out there and then we'll lighten it round to everybody.
00:33:50
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What's something that not a lot of people know that they ought to know. And mine is that the IRS ruled that pastors can make political endorsements from the pulpit to their congregation without any threat to their 501c3 status.
00:34:06
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Do it. it. That huge when it comes to giving pastors courage to speak into the culture, to speak into the culture and say, hey, this candidate adheres to biblical values in these areas, and we should be voting for that for this guy over here.
00:34:22
Speaker
This person over here is antithetical to biblical values. We should not be voting for them as Christians. And there the IRS ruled that there will be no no threat to their status as a tax-exempt organization for that type of ah of an endorsement. I mean, a direct political endorsement Clearly, name the candidate that is allowed by the IRS. Now, a pastors should have the courage to do it.
00:34:48
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Even when the IRS says no, we're going to say we got to obey God rather than men. But this is a very good thing for giving pastors the courage to do what they ought to be doing from the pulpit.
00:35:00
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You know how much more fun our culture would be and we had a lot of John the Baptist type characters railing against the king for his incestuous relationships? That would be Man, America would be lit.
00:35:14
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I like that. All right, Tony, what's your lightning round? What's yours? That one actually really caught me off guard cause I don't really know. I know of no things that people should absolutely have to know that they don't already know. i'm i am quite a redundant pale. so ah but Oh, man, Tony, I thought that you would know all kinds of stuff that people don't know.
00:35:38
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one of the things that Christians forget that they need to remember and need to know is we win down here. We're going to win. The church is an expanding rock and that it is going to consume the whole earth.
00:35:50
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We're taking it, all of it. that's the That is the inheritance that Christ leaves to his church. Don't act like a loser. We're going to win this. ah right Awesome. In honor of John.
00:36:04
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on her Go ahead. and I want to just, I want to toss mine over to Mark and let him uh, speak kind of to that point real quick about why we should have so many children, Mark. I mean, why don't we just sit back and just, and just wait for the the Lord to come?
00:36:20
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Why do we need to just keep working hard and having all these children's because, because we should be fruitful and multiply and expand to the whole earth.
00:36:32
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Um, that is I believe that that is what we should do that that mandate maintains, um, And,
00:36:43
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and, and that's where I'll leave it at that. Well, when it comes to that guys, I'm just going to I am winning. I am beating all of you, in the multiplication, uh, uh, competition here.
00:37:00
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l Have y'all ever, um, done the math to see, like if you, um, If you have five kids and they each have four or five, how many descendants you'll have in like seven seven generations? Have you ever done that math?
00:37:16
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this i We used to do it in my family. Thousands. Incredible. Yeah. That's what we need to think about. I saw it kind of worked out at the ARC encounter.
00:37:27
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They talked about that. That's a practical question, right? How to eight people within a few thousand years repopulate the earth. um So they have to do some of that math um at the Ark Encounter.
00:37:40
Speaker
And, you know, i like everything, I just took a picture of it and then walked away. all these words that are just like, whoa, yeah. The Ark Encounter awesome.
00:37:51
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It's awesome. And we will ah accept a paid endorsement from ah Answers in Genesis. But we would also, in just I would endorse them for free. I'm just saying.
00:38:03
Speaker
They're a great ministry. But if you want to give us tickets so my family can go again, um I'll absolutely be okay with it. That's right. That's a really cool place. Everybody should go. Call me up, Ben.
00:38:14
Speaker
That's right. 50 tickets for these four men and their children.
00:38:20
Speaker
That's true. You're not telling a lie. That's like legit.
00:38:28
Speaker
Oh, man. Boy, this has been good stuff, guys. What's Matt's pearl of wisdom? I know that he wanted to chuck it over to Mark, but don't know. Oh, no, I really don't. I really don't have anything except for um college football season starts soon.
00:38:42
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And um Alabama's going to win a lot of games. Just got to throw that in there. i really pray. We will pray for you, brother. How about this one that more people should know? And that is that Reese's peanut butter cups should not be considered a dessert or a candy.
00:38:57
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But they are terrible. You are so... You are so incorrect. Mark doesn't eat much like that. You have to erase two podcasts worth of... Man, now we've got to just delete everything and it's all this work.
00:39:15
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More people need to do this. Shout it from the rooftops. Hang on, Tony and Mark, you were talking over each other. Say again, Mark. I said shout it from the room rooftops. And that's going to be my epitaph. Realize, Mark, Reese's peanut butter cups are garbage.
00:39:33
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Which is why he died. which is And he was killed by his friends after he's he confessed his hatred of Reese's Cups, he died. So one of the best candy and desserts I've ever had was when we went to Hershey, Pennsylvania, and we got a, um yellow band you get like ah is it a five pound Reese's? don't know how many, and make your own huge Reese's.
00:39:56
Speaker
That was great. We we enjoyed it for for weeks. We eat it for breakfast, for a snack, dessert. I'm not sure I'm down there. it's so good. You put all kinds of stuff wreck the three
00:40:11
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in. My aunt and uncle used to work for the Milton Hershey School for children as house parents. And they basically got all the Hershey candy that they could ever eat.
00:40:22
Speaker
they They just ordered it for free all the time. Everything that Hershey made. I was so jealous as a kid. I was like, this has got to be This has got be heaven right here.
00:40:35
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But all right. Well, anyway, I think we're pretty much out of time. We're we're well out of time. But, you know, when you get to talking, you just can't you can't really stop. It's too much fun. But if if any of you any of you feminists out there want to send us hate mail, um please feel free.
00:40:52
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00:41:07
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00:41:24
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00:41:47
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00:42:06
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