Transcript
Felicia Devine: Hello and welcome back to episode 20.
Natalie Richards: Hello? Can we believe it?
Felicia Devine: Hi, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: We have so many episodes.
Felicia Devine: I know. No, we do. I think we're almost at 40.
Natalie Richards: I think so. It must be.
Felicia Devine: We should do something for our 40th.
Natalie Richards: Okay. Yeah. 40th birthday.
Felicia Devine: Shabbat Shalom The 40th birthday party. Let's do a little ah vacation.
Natalie Richards: Perfect.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. I can't even talk. I was going to say record live for our 40th episode.
Natalie Richards: oh I love that wait are you like
Felicia Devine: You and I have a problem though, because we need to hit record.
Natalie Richards: We don't actually do it.
Felicia Devine: Well, we need to hit record the second we see each other.
Natalie Richards: That's true. because
Felicia Devine: Cause we just blabber mouth everything. And then when it time it comes time to actually like record a podcast, we're like, we actually talked about everything.
Natalie Richards: as we did today.
Felicia Devine: Yes, I know.
Natalie Richards: Just now.
Felicia Devine: We've already been, well, what time is it? I was eating my breakfast. We've been talking for 15 minutes.
Natalie Richards: 10 minutes. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Natalie was giving me the tea and I was chomping on my granola.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. We've got some things to...
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: to get into today but yeah
Felicia Devine: So. Halloween is coming up. And we have some things to discuss.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: um Natalie.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Take it away.
Natalie Richards: Hello. We'll just, I don't know if I need to get into every detail. But let's just say... I've been Deep diving. on the realities of
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: The very real evil world surrounding us.
Felicia Devine: Mmm!
Natalie Richards: ah
Felicia Devine: Mm!
Natalie Richards: And. the dichotomy of that of that there is like definitely a light side as well. Okay. So, so In ordered for in order for there to be good, there must be bad, right?
Felicia Devine: okay For where there is darkness. Yes. Yes, and when you see bad there has to be good.
Natalie Richards: and Correct. And in a way
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: I have been a little bit like. I've been diving into the bad because it helps me understand the good better. I don't know if that makes sense
Felicia Devine: Okay. um You're being pessimistic so that you have opportunity for optimism.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. No, I've been.
Felicia Devine: i
Natalie Richards: ah
Felicia Devine: it What?
Natalie Richards: ah I'll just be like Frank. I've been diving into literally like. very evil the possibility of there being very evil things in this world.
Felicia Devine: Okay, understood.
Natalie Richards: that has helped me realize that there absolutely is. is something greater than that.
Felicia Devine: Jesus.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Okay. Not to like make this a Jesus podcast.
Felicia Devine: Not to make this.
Natalie Richards: hello
Felicia Devine: Well, maybe it is.
Natalie Richards: Maybe we should.
Felicia Devine: Welcome to Sunday church.
Natalie Richards: because yeah, it is Sunday.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So it's just been like. I've been ah obviously aware of these things forever. I grew up Catholic. Like I would identify myself. as Catholic.
Felicia Devine: You got married in a Catholic church?
Natalie Richards: However, Right, like I... I identify as being Catholic.
Felicia Devine: okay
Natalie Richards: But I think until literally this week, I don't know that I have ever like chosen to be Catholic.
Felicia Devine: Understood.
Natalie Richards: Okay. And I don't even know.
Felicia Devine: As I'm sure most Catholic people could probably say.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, I think like growing up. in something like that it just kind of is what you do
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And you like understand, like you take the religion classes and you do all that stuff and you like know it from like a book standpoint. on like i could
Felicia Devine: Did you go to Catholic school?
Natalie Richards: I went to Christian school, but then I had to do like Catholic classes to do my sacraments and stuff.
Felicia Devine: Okay. What do they call that again?
Natalie Richards: CCD.
Felicia Devine: CCD.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: a lot of people here do ccd dan went to catholic school so he didn't have to but
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Yeah. So CCD. so I don't know how all this happened within this past week, but I have. been made just like aware of so many things all at once.
Felicia Devine: mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: And it just was like enough things where I'm just like. Okay. i get it You know, like I.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I just, for whatever reason, it all clicked in my head and I was like. Okay, I understand. at like a level that I don't think I had understood before
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And i'll I'll maybe go into details at some point, like eventually, but it just is like, I need to, because I've had so many thoughts over the last week.
Felicia Devine: Right. Write it down.
Natalie Richards: and just like things with gene things with kyle things with my dad things with just like deep Things I've been aware of for a long time, even like... with aliens for instance there's so many parts of my life that my uncle Okay, let me backtrack.
Felicia Devine: Yes. podcast let's take it a turn
Natalie Richards: This is weird.
Felicia Devine: I hope our audience is still listening after 40 episodes.
Natalie Richards: Bear with us. My uncle. Growing up like he was like an alien
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: researcher. researcher
Felicia Devine: Believer? Yeah.
Natalie Richards: like, like major. Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So he gave me all of his rundown of like why aliens are real and all this stuff.
Felicia Devine: You didn't have to be convinced.
Natalie Richards: And I was like, okay, cool. But then now it's, so I knew all a lot of details about.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: aliens and like what has been prior to this.
Felicia Devine: prior to your awakening.
Natalie Richards: realizing that there's other things out there. but what I have been awakened to realize is that Aliens are not aliens. Aliens are... demons.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: and The that. so that spiritual realm is very real.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: and is very much surrounding us but we also can have control over what We are. allowing them to do to us.
Felicia Devine: like how much access they have.
Natalie Richards: basically. Yes. Absolutely.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So I'm taking control of that.
Felicia Devine: Good.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: I'm happy.
Natalie Richards: That's kind of the general general feelings.
Felicia Devine: That's good.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So i can we can dive into that at some point. but It's definitely like I have. now like accepted in my brain that I can understand all of this and I'm not just like Oh yeah.
Natalie Richards: I'm just, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm Catholic. christian whatever but like i i kind of like understand it a little bit differently now
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And it.
Felicia Devine: No, tell me.
Natalie Richards: For whatever reason, it made it helped me understand the God.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: side of it a lot better.
Felicia Devine: m Okay.
Natalie Richards: Knowing the evil side, which is so odd
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: But isn't that so weird?
Felicia Devine: Interesting. i I get it. that It totally makes sense. I feel like the people who have the biggest like. aha moments are the ones that have been like chased by the devil.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: You know, they have a...
Natalie Richards: Literally. So. this, is we were talking about a podcast before we got on the po the pod and it's the Sean Ryan podcast.
Felicia Devine: Oh yeah.
Natalie Richards: And he had with, I didn't tell you this part yet. He had... gone to Mexico or wherever and had done a couple Ibogaine Ibogaine treatments.
Felicia Devine: That's where we got there.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So that, this is how I got, it right.
Felicia Devine: That's how we got there. This is where the conversation started.
Natalie Richards: So the fact that you brought that up actually is very interesting because then I'm like, shoot, I have to talk about this now.
Felicia Devine: to
Felicia Devine: Yep.
Natalie Richards: So Felicia mentioned Ibogaine and then I was like, oh, well, here we go.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. and
Natalie Richards: This is what we have to talk about today.
Felicia Devine: Tell people who don't know what I have a game is.
Natalie Richards: Ibogaine is like a psychedelic.
Felicia Devine: what it is.
Natalie Richards: medicine I suppose it's kind of like along the lines of ayahuasca I suppose
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: um with a different energy associated with it from what I have.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: Would I have? done and research on it has like I forget what they call. One of them is like the mother and one of them is the father. between ayahuasca ayahuasca is the mother
Felicia Devine: Ayahuasca is the mother. Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: Ibogaine is the father. And it becomes a little bit more of like a. intense, like... harsher experience than ayahuasca sometimes.
Felicia Devine: Ibogaine does.
Natalie Richards: Ibogaine sometimes, yeah.
Felicia Devine: Whoa.
Natalie Richards: It can be very. very intense for the people who go through this.
Felicia Devine: okay
Natalie Richards: Anyway, there's a lot of... military people who go and have these treatments done because it can really help with PTSD.
Felicia Devine: PTSD.
Natalie Richards: and it it Supposedly can help alter the brain in a way where You don't have those tendencies anymore And I still do believe that that. has the potential.
Natalie Richards: However, it is also a pathway. to open up some parts of your consciousness that Maybe. We're better left closed.
Felicia Devine: i'm not even sure where you're going with this. That's what's the funniest part to me is I am like, I'm like, Natalie could take it anyway right now. Okay. We, why was I under the impression that.
Natalie Richards: So. Sean Ryan.
Felicia Devine: You were pro -
Natalie Richards: I what?
Felicia Devine: Are you and anti?
Natalie Richards: I'm not sure
Felicia Devine: Oh, okay.
Natalie Richards: Now I'm not sure. I was very pro
Felicia Devine: Okay. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Now I'm... I'm unsure. So.
Felicia Devine: You're allowed to be unsure.
Natalie Richards: Sean Ryan. He is a... really, really well -known podcaster. Felicia is not, ah not aware of him, which is totally fine.
Felicia Devine: No.
Natalie Richards: Cause again, it's not on our wavelength. Okay. He's a
Felicia Devine: Okay, that probably is why.
Natalie Richards: He's a he's kind of more of like the road like on the Rogan Joe Rogan side sort of like
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: has has four -hour interviews.
Felicia Devine: And I like Joe Rogan, but I just haven't.
Natalie Richards: with people where it's like
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: I don't know how you actually sit down and listen
Felicia Devine: He's like borderline canceled every other day.
Natalie Richards: Totally. But like he, I like him way more than.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: Rogan.
Felicia Devine: Oh!
Natalie Richards: Just based on e like. personality, energy.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: So he's an ex Navy SEAL. and like cia I don't know what you call it.
Felicia Devine: Agent.
Natalie Richards: Kind of. Um...
Felicia Devine: What does CIA, wait, hold on, what does CIA stand for?
Natalie Richards: What do you call... contractor. He was a CIA contractor. here like he was a military contractor.
Felicia Devine: What is CIA? I can't get over this.
Natalie Richards: Central Intelligence Agency.
Felicia Devine: Okay. I was like, I know this. I couldn't think of it.
Natalie Richards: So it was still military, military involved, but he was like.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: than hired by the government. to go
Felicia Devine: He 1099 to the government.
Natalie Richards: Correct.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: Okay. So he made lots of money doing that.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: because that's what you do. you can make lots of money doing that. So...
Felicia Devine: Yeah, you're basically a consultant for the government.
Natalie Richards: Pretty much. Yeah. You're like a ah mercenary, basically. Like you're hired on.
Felicia Devine: oh
Natalie Richards: to You're hired on... like independently.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: to go fight wars rather than.
Felicia Devine: Oh my god, there's movies about this, aren't there?
Natalie Richards: Totally. Totally.
Felicia Devine: Like, is that John Wick?
Natalie Richards: Totally. I don't know. Along the same lines of... of skill level.
Felicia Devine: Or like...
Natalie Richards: of skill level.
Felicia Devine: Uh, Reacher? Did you ever watch Reacher?
Natalie Richards: 1. I never really watched it, but i Kyle loves it.
Felicia Devine: Well, now with your awakening, you don't need to be watching that.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, yeah yeah
Felicia Devine: but Okay.
Natalie Richards: So...
Felicia Devine: Continue. Sorry.
Natalie Richards: Okay, so he is... Has all that background. He has this major podcast he went and did Ibogaine a few years ago and it helped him a lot. So he...
Natalie Richards: He was able to like get off alcohol entirely, like didn't need. medication, all that stuff. Okay. He recently went. And he's been. In that time period, I think he also like converted to Catholicism.
Natalie Richards: in that time frame
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: It's like after the first Ibogaine treatment. And then he started talking on his podcast about. more like religious stuff.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: Just like dabbling. Okay. He then goes and does Ibogaine, I think like probably at this point, six months ago. from this point in time
Natalie Richards: He basically describes it as if he he saw. Hell. essentially. and he saw the details of it. So... Like basically felt.
Natalie Richards: as disconnected from God as he possibly. could.
Felicia Devine: mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: and then came out of that. and was like how do i what do i do now but basically like It re -energized his faith in God a little bit, but he then realized that he had then been pretty much possessed by it.
Felicia Devine: Mmm.
Natalie Richards: a demon, essentially. So after that point
Felicia Devine: in that journey.
Natalie Richards: in that journey It opened up.
Felicia Devine: because he had opened up.
Natalie Richards: it opened up a portal.
Felicia Devine: A portal for.
Natalie Richards: Correct.
Felicia Devine: ah evil energy to come in.
Natalie Richards: which is Then after listening to some other people speak, that is how evil energy comes into. our lives is like opening up a portal whether it's alcohol or drugs or whatever Okay.
Natalie Richards: What? even like Cursed. films. there are Did you know? that you can have a film that you watch that's been cursed.
Natalie Richards: Bye.
Felicia Devine: You mean like if I were to watch like... Uh...
Natalie Richards: like Harry Potter.
Felicia Devine: Or it.
Natalie Richards: If.
Felicia Devine: Like that kind of thing.
Natalie Richards: Right. Right. Anyway. You have to also have have a vessel that is open for...
Felicia Devine: I was gonna say...
Natalie Richards: for that to come into, okay?
Felicia Devine: You have to have a crack in your... your armor.
Natalie Richards: that Yeah. i'm gonna try not to get too in the weeds on this okay so
Felicia Devine: too late
Natalie Richards: Too late.
Felicia Devine: We're invested. I'm gonna be asking all the questions.
Natalie Richards: Okay. So, okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay, continue.
Natalie Richards: So he then.
Felicia Devine: Give me. needs.
Natalie Richards: has all of these like paranormal experiences after his Ibogaine. experience so he ended up having like all these weird nightmares he was gonna have
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: I think a cardinal. Come on and talk about. I think talk about the... Old Testament and New Testament.
Felicia Devine: oh my gosh cool
Natalie Richards: the next day and he had a dream that was like basically to like deter him from the Catholic Church, essentially. like It was a dream about like all the pedophilia and... like like weird you know like
Felicia Devine: Mhm.
Natalie Richards: things about the Catholic church that everybody has like these thoughts about, right?
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: So that was like the night before he woke up. I think he's he like said some prayer to to get that demon to go away. and a picture frame flew off of his wall.
Natalie Richards: as he's saying that prayer. He then goes to Mass, I think, the next day. has an allergic reaction to the to communion. Twice. Like you literally. like an anaphylactic.
Natalie Richards: reaction. Twice. to communion. Like this guy has been, he's been through some stuff. Okay. And that's, he hasn't even talked about all of his experiences at this point.
Natalie Richards: So I don't even know them, but that's what he's, that's what he's talked about so far.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: So since then he's had multiple priests on have who have just been like talking about the bible and talking about just like the realities of. of like what it is, right?
Natalie Richards: like What does it actually mean?
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: and Then he's had some exorcists on who have talked about. that You should listen to it. It sounds crazy. I know it sounds crazy.
Felicia Devine: It's cool.
Natalie Richards: It sounds insane.
Felicia Devine: I'm into it.
Natalie Richards: But like that. listening to that side of it where it's like, this is a very real thing that we are dealing with on a daily basis like that we have the power to combat.
Natalie Richards: Not we, we have the power through God and Jesus to combat it.
Felicia Devine: Right, right.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: We have a warrior.
Natalie Richards: We, but like we have guardian angels. We have, we have these like.
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: beings around us that are helping us but also like there's continuous. warfare going on.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm. mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: That's very real. And everyone can feel it.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: Like we can feel in the world right now that there's some serious stuff going on.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And like, it has to be culminating to something. Right.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: So it just is like. It's helped me understand the whole picture. More recently, rather than like.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: in school and growing up it was very divided like it was very like Here, you're learning about this part.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: Now you take a test on it and you learn, you learn.
Felicia Devine: Mhm.
Natalie Richards: It was just very. divide it kind of like in chiropractic school. where everything is divided and then you don't really realize that the gravity of what we can do until you actually start treating patients.
Felicia Devine: yeah
Felicia Devine: The scope. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's true.
Natalie Richards: essentially that's like what I'm feeling right now about. religion, which is so weird for me to say.
Felicia Devine: Religion.
Natalie Richards: Because I feel like the last five years, probably I've been pretty removed from it, truthfully.
Felicia Devine: and
Felicia Devine: Mhm.
Natalie Richards: like removed without being removed. Like I still participate. whatever I'm not like, I wasn't against it, but it just was not.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: A real, like...
Felicia Devine: You didn't understand. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I didn't like get it. I don't know how to explain it
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: But anyway, so in the study of... Demons and evil I have now come to. and Come out.
Felicia Devine: Oh my god.
Natalie Richards: as realizing the full scope of of what
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: we are and who we are and why we're here and All of that. I don't know. It's been very interesting.
Felicia Devine: That's so cool.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Very good for you.
Natalie Richards: It's very interesting.
Felicia Devine: Okay. So tie that back into, cause we were going to start talking about one extra topic and then we were like, ah, save it for the pod. So yesterday.
Natalie Richards: Oh yeah, oh, mm -hmm.
Felicia Devine: Halloween. So the whole Halloween thing.
Natalie Richards: Yes. Okay. So within this past week, I've been also thinking like, oh God, Halloween's coming because one of the, one of the exorcists that he had on, he goes, yeah, like we don't.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: have Halloween celebrations at our church and like people have left the school because we don't. Have a Halloween party. Basically.
Felicia Devine: Or trunk or treat.
Natalie Richards: or Right.
Felicia Devine: You know how many churches trunk or treat?
Natalie Richards: So many. and
Felicia Devine: I know.
Natalie Richards: and essentially like i do feel like there is a split between like you can have a fun Halloween experience.
Felicia Devine: Right. you
Natalie Richards: but realizing that there's a very weird. feel.
Felicia Devine: component.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And last year I felt it a little bit, I will say. Like we were trick -or -treating and I was just kind of like, ooh, this is it's feeling a little creepy. OK, like just like.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: the costumes and some of the people who are who are out there like it just
Felicia Devine: Yeah, the people who choose to participate are so vastly. Different.
Natalie Richards: vastly different.
Felicia Devine: in how they approach the holiday.
Natalie Richards: Like you have People with like their little kids who are having so much fun.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Then you have like 15 year olds who are dressed in like. black scary masks and you're like What are we doing?
Felicia Devine: And then you have adults.
Natalie Richards: and adults.
Felicia Devine: that are participating and i think that is
Natalie Richards: Like, what are we? doing here.
Felicia Devine: Weird.
Natalie Richards: He said, he goes. Halloween is the most dangerous day. four. Um... for homeless people. Because va these vans will come and...
Felicia Devine: What?
Natalie Richards: pick them up and say, hey, we have a meal for you. This is gonna get dark. Hi, Jean.
Felicia Devine: Natalie.
Natalie Richards: They'll come and... and pick people up and people do like Sacrifice. human sacrifices. Okay.
Felicia Devine: What?
Natalie Richards: Yes. so they'll like lure them in oh we're gonna like i've always heard about black cats like don't give away your black cat because there's going to be somebody who's going to come and Try to sacrifice them on Halloween.
Natalie Richards: Have you never heard that?
Felicia Devine: o
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh, I don't know.
Felicia Devine: How about you?
Natalie Richards: I know.
Felicia Devine: I don't have a black cat, but I have an almost black dog.
Natalie Richards: I know.
Felicia Devine: She's brown.
Natalie Richards: I know
Felicia Devine: Is that the same?
Natalie Richards: But like or people saying like, don't give away your animals like for free because there's people who are going to try to do like very bad things to them. Anyway.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh.
Natalie Richards: um So people will go around and pick up homeless people and then... It's like the most dangerous day. of the year for them. Because they're like lured into having a free meal.
Felicia Devine: Okay, that's so scary.
Natalie Richards: It's so awful. So like there's some serious weird stuff that goes on.
Felicia Devine: Oh my god.
Natalie Richards: And I don't know that. I've put blinders on for sure about it.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: Okay, so we go.
Felicia Devine: ah
Natalie Richards: Gene has his Halloween costume and I'm like, He had a couple options.
Felicia Devine: What's he being?
Natalie Richards: He had like ah a stuffed dinosaur that he...
Felicia Devine: m
Natalie Richards: like stands in and he like wears it but it looks like he's riding it it's so cute it's so cute he didn't want to use that one so we used um Marshall from Paw Patrol.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Oh, cute.
Natalie Richards: So cute.
Felicia Devine: Oh my gosh, I can't wait to see a photo.
Natalie Richards: I know, I know. It's really cute. So. We go and he's so excited. He's like, oh. I want to go trick or treating. I'm so excited. So they had this big.
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: event yesterday it's not Halloween yet by the way it's for everybody who it's not like real Halloween
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: But there was an event during the day. It was huge. There were so many people at this event. I couldn't even. Believe it.
Felicia Devine: Really? Was it Rockford or where was it?
Natalie Richards: a thousand people at least. It was Rockford.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: And we walk in. And he starts, he's like holding onto my hand and he's like gripping. Once we like walk through the gates of this event.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: He like grips my hand so tight. And he's looking around and he's like looking around at all these adults in all these like. Scary costumes.
Natalie Richards: And it it was weird. Like the second we walked in, I just was like.
Felicia Devine: Ew.
Natalie Richards: It was a little bit overwhelming for me too. And I'm looking around, I'm like, okay, let's go up. It's like this village that they have created. It's like a historic village.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: So. You go up to these like. pretend basically historic. places historic houses and you go up and you get candy from all the different people
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And you were waiting in line because there's so many people you have to wait in line to get up to the house.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: And we're waiting in line and this like witch lady comes over. She's like, oh, you little children. Are you a child under there? Are you? a Marshall. And he goes, I'm a child. She goes, oh, I'm going to eat you. And it's just like, ah he literally grabbed my hand, walked me out of the line. He goes, nope, I don't want to be there anymore, mommy.
Felicia Devine: Why would she do that?
Natalie Richards: It's like part of the skit. Like it was part of the.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, the whole thing.
Natalie Richards: The whole thing. She was just. there to make it feel more Halloweeny.
Felicia Devine: Good night.
Natalie Richards: And oh man, did it. So then...
Felicia Devine: Oh man, was it spooky. yeah
Natalie Richards: So we're going around and we're going to a couple other places and he's like. He's not having it. He's not feeling it. He is no longer excited.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. He has lost his sparkle.
Natalie Richards: He's like, OK, I'll go up and get the candy. But like we went to like the police, the police, Rockford police had like a. ah booth He goes, okay, I'll go over there.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: and then And then we go down like whatever main street is.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And there's like these major. like scary. um Like decorations and stuff like big skeletons.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: and He's like, I don't want to go up there. So he was after like two houses he was he was finished um and he just like We went over to my friends who her daughter was also freaked out.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: oh
Natalie Richards: And he's like, I wanna go home. I'm like, okay, me too.
Felicia Devine: and Yep.
Natalie Richards: Peace out. I'm done. It just was weird. It just had a very weird.
Felicia Devine: Aww.
Natalie Richards: feel the whole thing. So I don't know if we're going to go trick or treating, truthfully.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I don't know
Felicia Devine: Where would you go anyway? Do you go in your neighborhood?
Natalie Richards: we went no because there's nothing really we only have a few houses
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: But we might just like go get dressed up. go to like some people's houses that we know.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: and be done with it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: i don't know
Felicia Devine: Ugh. I know.
Natalie Richards: It just was weird. So, but this
Felicia Devine: I yeah.
Natalie Richards: one of the exorcists that sean ryan had on he goes yeah i mean why are we celebrating literally the devil's day of celebration.
Felicia Devine: right
Natalie Richards: I'm like, okay, fair enough.
Felicia Devine: Well, have you seen? Oh wait, this is a different holiday. I was going to say cramp the Krampus parades and stuff.
Natalie Richards: Oh, yeah, that's so.
Felicia Devine: ah
Natalie Richards: creepy.
Felicia Devine: That is so scary.
Natalie Richards: Creepy. But basically, he's like, there's just like satanic worship pretty much in every... every part of our
Felicia Devine: Yeah, because isn't Krampus like Santa Claus's? brother or something?
Natalie Richards: Something like that. It's scary.
Felicia Devine: I don't know.
Natalie Richards: But like all this stuff.
Felicia Devine: i don't I don't know the details, but yeah. It's spooky.
Natalie Richards: All this stuff is kind of just like desensitizing us to like what? really is happening.
Felicia Devine: I know. I know.
Natalie Richards: So. there's just a lot like and everything in Hollywood and music and all this stuff like it's it's
Felicia Devine: Hmm.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Freaky.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Oof.
Natalie Richards: So I'm trying not to go like too crazy.
Felicia Devine: I mean, you you know what?
Natalie Richards: But.
Felicia Devine: You have free reign.
Natalie Richards: I think I'm just kind of like...
Felicia Devine: You can go as crazy as you want. You free well, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: I'm just... I do. It's true. That's true. m's true
Felicia Devine: yeah you can do whatever you want i mean if it makes you guys feel more comfortable
Natalie Richards: Yeah. It like in a way just kind of makes me like. feel better. I don't know.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Maybe that's part of your healing journey.
Natalie Richards: That's that. And maybe I think it is actually, I think I really think it is.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I think I need to realize that like I can't. have all the control over my healing and my dad's healing and
Felicia Devine: Mhm. Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: Like i I don't want it. I don't want all the control. because it's too much pressure.
Felicia Devine: right Which is interesting because you historically have been. for lack of a better term, like a control freak, right?
Natalie Richards: No kidding.
Felicia Devine: like not Like, not in a bad way.
Natalie Richards: No, absolutely
Felicia Devine: No, but like. like anytime we would go out you would want to be the driver right you would want to have freedom of like if you needed to leave you could leave you wanted to be the one that like planned it so that you knew what was going on like you in a good way were like I want to be in control of my own destiny
Natalie Richards: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Natalie Richards: Yes. mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: Correct.
Felicia Devine: And so maybe this is good.
Natalie Richards: It is good. No, I'm telling you it's really good.
Felicia Devine: It's giving you a little like freedom to be like, oh wait. Somebody else is in charge of me? Okay, good.
Natalie Richards: Correct.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Correct.
Felicia Devine: I think that's healthy
Natalie Richards: And I don't have to have all the pressure like on.
Felicia Devine: I think that's so healthy.
Natalie Richards: me. So it's good.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: It's very good.
Felicia Devine: Good.
Natalie Richards: So. Here we are. I think I had to get here.
Felicia Devine: No, that's really good.
Natalie Richards: um Still evolving. i'll keep you post
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: but I went to, I knew like this weekend for sure.
Felicia Devine: No I love it.
Natalie Richards: Like I was going to church for sure. I haven't been like voluntarily.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: to church in a really long time.
Felicia Devine: Who did you go with? you Just your parents or did Jean go?
Natalie Richards: Well, I was gonna go by myself. I was gonna go with Jean. just like here near us i was gonna go to the the church that's like 10 minutes away but my parents
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: We were in Rockford yesterday anyway, and my parents were like, oh, well, we're going.
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: Today at 4 .30...
Felicia Devine: Mm hmm.
Natalie Richards: And then you guys can come with us to the symphony. Like we went to the symphony last night.
Felicia Devine: Oh nice.
Natalie Richards: watching so Jean and I went to church with them and we went to the symphony.
Felicia Devine: Nice.
Natalie Richards: It was great.
Felicia Devine: Gorgeous.
Natalie Richards: And so we, yeah, we left the Halloween thing after in like maybe 10 minutes. Eh. And I was like, okay, mom, we're coming over because of we're going to church now.
Felicia Devine: we're going to church now.
Natalie Richards: It was so funny.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So I knew like this weekend for sure was going to be it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: But it's been it was so crazy. Last weekend, I also was going to go to church. I like had it in my mind. It was like. Maybe I should. This was before I even. dove into.
Natalie Richards: All of this stuff. I just had been thinking about it for a while.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Okay.
Natalie Richards: And I. Kid you not. I was going to go to Church Lake at noon. 11 o 'clock comes around. I was I literally was dead like i I was... forcibly laying in my bed.
Natalie Richards: could not actually pick myself. out of bed.
Felicia Devine: oh
Natalie Richards: Isn't that wild?
Felicia Devine: That's the devil, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: Like it was like a, I know it is. I could not, there was no way that I was going to be able to wake up. like it There was no way. So I was like, okay, I guess I'm not going today.
Natalie Richards: So then this weekend I was like, I know they did last week and they won.
Felicia Devine: They won. Natalie, they won.
Natalie Richards: Then this week after I did all my. Deep dives.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, you were like.
Natalie Richards: I was like no, no, no.
Felicia Devine: and and no no no no
Natalie Richards: So yesterday I woke up and I had the worst headache. Like I haven't had a headache in a long time.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And I woke up and it was like the worst headache. And I was like, no, we're just going. I was like, it's probably a headache to keep me away from this stupid Halloween event.
Felicia Devine: Wow. Yes. Yes. Right.
Natalie Richards: But... And I said, I'm not letting this happen. I'm not doing it.
Felicia Devine: No.
Natalie Richards: i'm gene Oh, let's not do that, please. Thank you. He's got a big old dino.
Felicia Devine: Oh my God, Natalie. I thought that was a, I thought that was a live, like a real fish.
Natalie Richards: Like a real fish.
Felicia Devine: i was Like, did he take that out of an aquarium?
Natalie Richards: Jean has a, what is that Jean?
Felicia Devine: What is that?
Natalie Richards: A Mosasaurus.
Felicia Devine: Wow.
Natalie Richards: Oh, there he is.
Felicia Devine: wowa
Natalie Richards: hey hey Hey, don't do that to my computer, please.
Felicia Devine: Hey, Jean.
Natalie Richards: Can you say hi to Felicia? Boo! Uh huh.
Felicia Devine: Hygiene.
Natalie Richards: It's a cool Mosasaurus. Hey. Do you remember what we talked about, sweetie? i'll come help you i'll come help you in a second word Probably gonna be done soon. No, we have a lot to talk about still.
Natalie Richards: You, I think we're done with it.
Felicia Devine: I don't even know
Natalie Richards: with God and the devil at this point.
Felicia Devine: but We're done with the devil.
Natalie Richards: I think we're finished. Oh. I'll keep you posted.
Felicia Devine: Oh my goodness.
Natalie Richards: But um you went up first of all I am currently planning a Disney trip without you and I am. really upset about it.
Felicia Devine: devastating.
Natalie Richards: I'm really upset
Felicia Devine: I know.
Natalie Richards: You can always hop in if you want to.
Felicia Devine: I know.
Natalie Richards: But.
Felicia Devine: I know. I'm excited to hear about what your current Disney plans are because I want to go in 2020. Seven. um So. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: okay okay okay Our original plans were going to be...
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Um,
Natalie Richards: Universal.
Felicia Devine: Next year.
Natalie Richards: and um this year.
Felicia Devine: or this year.
Natalie Richards: But then... the Jurassic Park ride was going to be closed and that was all Gene wanted to do. wanted to do.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: It just wasn't.
Felicia Devine: mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: it wasn't going to be right for them at this point. current age.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: age range. So we're doing this year Hollywood Studios and Epcot.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: ah
Natalie Richards: So we're doing those two and then the rest is gonna be in Gatorland
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: good I don't even know what that is.
Natalie Richards: derland There's like... thousands of alligators at this place it's like a it's like a park not like a
Felicia Devine: Is it like... Really? I mean, cool.
Natalie Richards: it's not like as it's like a zoo but for alligators essentially
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So.
Felicia Devine: Oh fun.
Natalie Richards: Gene's going to love it.
Felicia Devine: Oh yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Kyle's gonna love it.
Felicia Devine: He's going to be so into that.
Natalie Richards: They have this massive monster truck that you ride on and take like ah like a like an everglades tour basically in this like massive
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Oh my goodness!
Natalie Richards: Massive monster truck.
Felicia Devine: So cool.
Natalie Richards: It's going to be fun.
Felicia Devine: Let's write up your guys' alley.
Natalie Richards: Oh yeah. So we've got all kinds of fun things planned.
Felicia Devine: Yes.
Natalie Richards: We have a T -Rex cafe.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: We have...
Felicia Devine: Oh, that is so up his alley.
Natalie Richards: oh so many things so many things
Felicia Devine: Now is Carson into that too? Is he a dinosaur guy?
Natalie Richards: Yeah. he Not as much as Gene, but my brother is.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Okay. Right, right.
Natalie Richards: My boobs.
Natalie Richards: well Let's be real.
Felicia Devine: Matt's going to be.
Natalie Richards: So really, Uncle Matt and Jean are going to be...
Felicia Devine: All into that. Yeah. Yeah, Uncle Matt and Jean are planning this trip.
Natalie Richards: So then there's the Star Wars land also at. at Hollywood studios and my brother loves it.
Felicia Devine: oh cool
Natalie Richards: So he's going to create, Oh yeah.
Felicia Devine: Oh, is he into Star Wars? Okay.
Natalie Richards: He's going to create his own lightsaber. And he's the only one doing it.
Felicia Devine: oh
Natalie Richards: and
Felicia Devine: Oh, it's like an additional like you.
Natalie Richards: It's...
Felicia Devine: It's a service.
Natalie Richards: Three hundred dollars. Can you even handle that?
Felicia Devine: To get in or to make the.
Natalie Richards: Not just to. but Both. No.
Felicia Devine: oh Wait.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: Wait, $300? Do you get the lightsaber? Or you also have to pay for the lightsaber.
Natalie Richards: No, that is the lightsaber.
Felicia Devine: Wait.
Natalie Richards: The 300 is the... the class and the but it's 10 minutes.
Felicia Devine: The class?
Natalie Richards: Like it's literally 10 minutes and you like go through it and you put. three pieces together. But he has to do it. He has to do it.
Felicia Devine: No, it's like that I just learned about the Bippity Boppity Boutique or whatever.
Natalie Richards: that Yes. Yes!
Felicia Devine: for like three -year -olds and it's hundreds of dollars to get glitter in their hair.
Natalie Richards: Yes. Hundreds of dollars. Yep. Yeah, and you get your princess dress and you get your ah the fairy godmother.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: come You can do it for boys, too.
Felicia Devine: Right. Oh.
Natalie Richards: You can dress them up as... Prince Eric or whatever.
Felicia Devine: oh
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: Giuseppe's being Prince Christophe.
Natalie Richards: It's really insane.
Felicia Devine: Wait, no, Kristoff's not a prince.
Natalie Richards: I thought that's so cute.
Felicia Devine: I don't know anything about Frozen.
Natalie Richards: No. No, it was so cute.
Felicia Devine: Let's be real.
Natalie Richards: I saw their little costumes. it was precious. Kristoff, yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, daphne Daphne definitely picked the theme this year.
Natalie Richards: It's so cute
Felicia Devine: Therefore. Therefore, I said we're picking next year's theme.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And I can't wait to make her be like a dinosaur or.
Natalie Richards: Literally. it
Felicia Devine: Or a Cars character or like.
Natalie Richards: You should do Toy Story. Toy Story would be so cute.
Felicia Devine: My sister's doing Toy Story. this year with her extended family. So her husband's whole family, they're all doing Toy Story.
Natalie Richards: It's so cute. like that's the part of Halloween that's so adorable and I think it's so precious and so great and like we're going to a fun we're going to a fun Halloween party next weekend like It's going to be fun.
Felicia Devine: and Yeah. Yeah. I love a group costume.
Felicia Devine: Are you?
Natalie Richards: But like, I'm not into the.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: spooky And Jean said, that was too spooky.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I don't like spooky.
Felicia Devine: Hmm. Yeah, see, um, Sep? it likes the spooky things.
Natalie Richards: it So did Jean. before too.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: he
Felicia Devine: But he's also never interacted with spooky things. Like he likes the blow ups.
Natalie Richards: Right
Felicia Devine: He likes the things that like we go to Lowe's just to look at spooky things.
Natalie Richards: Mm -hmm.
Natalie Richards: To look at spookies.
Felicia Devine: But he doesn't, like... understand like anything like if it were to be dark out and those spooky things were in somebody's yard I don't think he would like those So very extrapolated.
Natalie Richards: right right Right. right right right Mhm.
Felicia Devine: He finds it fascinating.
Natalie Richards: Jean was like that too.
Felicia Devine: But I think in a real scenario, like you said, like with a witch coming up to you and telling you you're going to get eaten, I don't think he would like that.
Natalie Richards: Mm -mm.
Felicia Devine: I don't think I would like that
Natalie Richards: i know Like, ah no, thank you. But some people love that.
Felicia Devine: Yes. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Some people love that stuff. i o
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Ew!
Natalie Richards: look
Felicia Devine: So...
Natalie Richards: That's it!
Felicia Devine: Yeah, I don't think we're going to trick or treat. um Hey. He doesn't eat candy yet.
Natalie Richards: all right
Felicia Devine: B, he has a dye allergy.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: C. I just don't know how I feel about. trick or treating.
Natalie Richards: I know.
Felicia Devine: I just like get spooked by like you're going up to somebody's home that you don't know.
Natalie Richards: I brought... Somebody, w written I know. i know it's really creepy like the whole thing is creepy and I think we just need to realize.
Felicia Devine: And asking. Something that like, you don't know where it came from.
Natalie Richards: It's so weird getting random candy from somebody else who could have. I don't know. these people There's been like needles found in kids candy. There's been like people do weird stuff like they'll.
Felicia Devine: Well, and like...
Felicia Devine: I remember.
Natalie Richards: ah drug it like it's weird
Felicia Devine: our parents being like, we need to check your candy before you eat any of it.
Natalie Richards: Oh.
Felicia Devine: And I'd always be like, oh, that's interesting.
Natalie Richards: What do you mean?
Felicia Devine: But like.
Natalie Richards: Yeah
Felicia Devine: But like, that makes sense.
Natalie Richards: But for real. Like really to make sure. Yeah, it's creepy.
Felicia Devine: I don't know.
Natalie Richards: So Gene got some candy from this place. I brought other stuff to switch it out with. And he was so happy.
Felicia Devine: Oh good.
Natalie Richards: He's like, oh, perfect.
Felicia Devine: Was it?
Natalie Richards: I get to have my sour guys now.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: Perfect.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, yeah Perfect.
Natalie Richards: he was happy as a clam.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. yeah i just i don't know i mean i got a ton of candy to hand out because our neighborhood is very popular
Natalie Richards: yeah Yeah, you have a great neighborhood for that.
Felicia Devine: Bye. I just don't know like what our level of participation will be because also bedtime.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: like
Natalie Richards: I love handing out candy I think it's so fun to see all the kids' costumes.
Felicia Devine: He's two.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: and But again, weird, you're inviting people up to your house.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I think it's odd.
Felicia Devine: I know.
Natalie Richards: I don't know.
Felicia Devine: I know. And like, you're stepping on my landscaping that I pay a lot of money for.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, I do Yeah, i'm I don't know. turn your lights off and go do something else.
Felicia Devine: Like use the sidewalk.
Natalie Richards: but
Felicia Devine: Yeah, we got ding -dong ditched a couple months ago.
Natalie Richards: I just don't. Like it. See you.
Felicia Devine: I don't film. I don't know
Natalie Richards: It's just... interesting so I think everyone has the ability to make these decisions for themselves and you know It's just...
Felicia Devine: It is interesting
Felicia Devine: Yeah. And like until your demon comes to get you.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: you know
Natalie Richards: Mine has been known and he is now known that he is not welcome here.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. He's not welcome.
Natalie Richards: It's not welcome.
Felicia Devine: No, no.
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: Um, how is your Lyme journey going? Like how are your, your medicines?
Natalie Richards: um It's good. I'm kind of like in the week transition where I stopped things because I go back and see him on Tuesday.
Felicia Devine: okay
Natalie Richards: So I'm like not taking anything right this second.
Felicia Devine: Do you feel like so good right now or no?
Natalie Richards: um No, no.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: ah This whole past month, like I've just been so tired still.
Felicia Devine: Not yet. Hmm.
Natalie Richards: And I just don't know.
Felicia Devine: You should check your ferritin.
Natalie Richards: I should. I actually do need to do new blood work, but it's more of like my adrenal. It still is like my adrenals are just.
Felicia Devine: oh oh Shot.
Natalie Richards: Shot.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: They're just shot. So I just have more work to do.
Felicia Devine: Mhm. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I know I have more work to do. And I've been really trying to attack the candida and like the yeast and stuff.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: and I'm feeling very like puffy again and just like, just, you know, but it's all part of the process.
Felicia Devine: Aww. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: It's just.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: i'm feeling it a little yeah yeah So I had an amazing acupuncture session.
Felicia Devine: It's frustrating to be in that. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: last week oh my god it was the best it was the best ever.
Felicia Devine: o I still want to try acupuncture.
Natalie Richards: Like I was like, whatever points you did today. do it again because it's for real.
Felicia Devine: Write that down.
Natalie Richards: Like I was like that. I need that every time, whatever it was.
Felicia Devine: Wow. How often do you go?
Natalie Richards: I try like every two to three weeks usually.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: I would love to do more but I just...
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: It's not realistic.
Felicia Devine: I need to go.
Natalie Richards: She's an hour away from my house so I just can't quite do it.
Felicia Devine: We have a good place. That. I have friends that go too, so.
Natalie Richards: It was so incredible.
Felicia Devine: I just need to go
Natalie Richards: It's yeah. And I wouldn't say like every time is amazing, but like there's some where you're just like, oh my gosh, that unlocked something that.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: I... would not have been able to unlock.
Felicia Devine: Right.
Natalie Richards: Ciao.
Felicia Devine: Good.
Natalie Richards: Uh...
Felicia Devine: um Speaking of Ferriton.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Natalie, I got another infusion.
Natalie Richards: Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes Tell me, tell me.
Felicia Devine: Okay, so.
Natalie Richards: Did you die? You didn't die. So we're here today.
Felicia Devine: I didn't die.
Natalie Richards: Talk about it.
Felicia Devine: Here we are. Um, okay. So I reach out to the doctor. After. a while because I got my blood work and it said ferritin eight right so I only gained one point
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: over the course of five months.
Natalie Richards: Great.
Felicia Devine: A very defeated feeling.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: And I was just like, okay. From the research I'd been doing, it's like. really hard to like drink your teas and do your drops. like It really is hard to build your ferritin back.
Natalie Richards: and It's so, yeah.
Felicia Devine: Um. like digestively, you're just not going to process it well. So.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: the The main... like recommendation was to get an infusion. And I was like, Oh, I don't want to do that again. Like I really didn't want that to be my option.
Natalie Richards: I know. I know.
Felicia Devine: So they contacted me and they're like, yeah, we can do another one. The doctor ordered the other brand that is technically like. I believe less potent. So you have to usually get more.
Felicia Devine: chances at it like you go back multiple times
Natalie Richards: Yep. Yep.
Felicia Devine: So he ordered me that and Dan took off work this time to go with me because. I didn't want to go alone.
Natalie Richards: No!
Felicia Devine: It's just scary. And like.
Natalie Richards: You don't know what's going to happen.
Felicia Devine: like there's something to be said about like being well -informed and like doing your research. And then there's something about like. um the benefit of being naive.
Natalie Richards: Yes, oh totally When you know too much, it's like, oh, no.
Felicia Devine: Um, And so like. You know too much that... Yeah, or like you...
Natalie Richards: I can't. be okay with this.
Felicia Devine: Like I don't want to think about like my phosphate being reabsorbed during an iron transfusion and then having like cardiac problems.
Natalie Richards: inhale we
Felicia Devine: Like I don't. need to know that.
Natalie Richards: Right. Right.
Felicia Devine: um so i kind of just like didn't do tons of
Natalie Richards: Right right right.
Felicia Devine: like research before I went in and then I had the infusion and this one doesn't even have a protocol. Like it, they literally just hook you up to it and walk away. And I'm like, oh, there's no test dose. And they're like, no.
Felicia Devine: I'm like
Natalie Richards: I guess that's a good thing.
Felicia Devine: Why are they? No, it is. I'm like, why is the other one even an option?
Natalie Richards: It's...
Felicia Devine: like You're out here expecting people to die from that one.
Natalie Richards: ah Seriously, when it has... Yeah, when it has so much more risk.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: that's Crazy. ah Welcome.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: to our healthcare system.
Felicia Devine: and Right. They're like, we're going to inject you with like.
Natalie Richards: i'm Finished with it.
Felicia Devine: recycled Coke cans.
Natalie Richards: Oh my God.
Felicia Devine: and hope that this aluminum that should be iron is going in your body healthily so i don't know Um.
Natalie Richards: oh ah Okay.
Felicia Devine: So I sit for the infusion. It's an hour. And then you wait for 30 minutes after. With like a a saline drip.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: My only bone to pick. Cause I always got to pick some bones. My only bone to pick is that when they did my ceiling drip, they dripped it so slow.
Natalie Richards: Of course.
Felicia Devine: I literally got probably like. an eighth of the saline bag.
Natalie Richards: And, like...
Felicia Devine: And then they're like, okay, you're fine. And I'm like, but I paid for that. like Can you drip that faster?
Natalie Richards: Yeah, no kidding.
Felicia Devine: Can I stay?
Natalie Richards: I would like to have my hydration b but or
Felicia Devine: And they were like, no. I know. I was like, what?
Natalie Richards: you weren't Your body wasn't accepting of it. and you didn't really need it.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, maybe. It just like wasn't.
Natalie Richards: I don't know
Felicia Devine: I was just like, oh, can I take it home with me?
Natalie Richards: No kidding.
Felicia Devine: um I was so sleepy after it, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: Really?
Felicia Devine: And I was like, am I just being dramatic? Like I was I didn't look any of this up. So I was like, true it was like natural. Like I was I probably yawned. I don't know, 50 to 60 times.
Natalie Richards: Whoa.
Felicia Devine: like after the infusion, like I was nonstop yawning.
Natalie Richards: Oh that's so interesting.
Felicia Devine: And I was like, I was like, Dan, I'm so sleepy. And then I was like, am I sleepy? Because I had like an emotional crash. like anxious leading up to it and then it happened and then it was like a it was almost like a physiologic like Oh, you can breathe.
Natalie Richards: sure Me. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: which made me sleepy. and then I like went to bed and I've had some headaches here and there which are like normal post Iron infusion.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: But people... I've now looked into it because I'm curious.
Natalie Richards: Uh -huh.
Felicia Devine: People get what's like. called like the iron infusion flu.
Natalie Richards: That's what i've I've heard that. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And you can get like. Pretty sick.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: um I didn't get that. I got a head cold like three days later, which is like.
Natalie Richards: Ahead. Cool. Yeah, which maybe is why.
Felicia Devine: But like, I don't.
Natalie Richards: Mommy, help me.
Felicia Devine: I don't know.
Natalie Richards: genie
Felicia Devine: I mean, I also see like a gazillion sick kids in clinic.
Natalie Richards: of Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So it's not like I think.
Natalie Richards: come around the other way
Felicia Devine: My head cold is from the infusion.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: But. Also, there's something, like I said, about the phosphate thing.
Natalie Richards: performance
Felicia Devine: like People say you're supposed to drink eight. caffeine free coke
Natalie Richards: what
Felicia Devine: during your infusion.
Natalie Richards: oh interesting.
Felicia Devine: Because it helps your digestive system. like manage the phosphates that are like being imbalanced by the rapid infusion
Natalie Richards: Very interesting.
Felicia Devine: And then, cause if you're phosphate.
Natalie Richards: this Jeannie.
Felicia Devine: gets dysregulated.
Natalie Richards: Shh.
Felicia Devine: You can get like cardiac issues. I don't know. There's like something to be said about that. So I was like, well, I didn't do that and I'm fine.
Natalie Richards: breath Okay.
Felicia Devine: Um, But I guess like one in 20 people get a reaction like that, which causes like.
Natalie Richards: o I love it.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: Some cardiac damage.
Natalie Richards: wow That's scary.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: And that...
Felicia Devine: I know. So I was like, oh.
Natalie Richards: It. from the other ones or it's just in general?
Felicia Devine: In general.
Natalie Richards: in general. Okay.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Gene. who he is.
Felicia Devine: um and then I guess, I don't know. I mean. I have been like watching Instagram reels of people and their experiences.
Natalie Richards: here
Felicia Devine: Not, I'm not like looking at doctors. So these are like other people's experiences.
Natalie Richards: sure But these are like real real things, real possibilities.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Not that it's going to happen to everybody.
Felicia Devine: And like. I... I sent this reel to Dan because I found it so fascinating. This girl was like before my iron infusion and it was like a video of just like. her face.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Like. No makeup, whatever.
Natalie Richards: a
Felicia Devine: over Like her skin was like clear. She had like dark circles under her eyes. And then it was like post iron infusion. And I think it showed like ferritin numbers. Now she looked.
Felicia Devine: Like... Like a porcelain doll.
Natalie Richards: Really?
Felicia Devine: she had rosy cheeks her eyes were filled back in like she didn't look gaunt she looked like
Natalie Richards: Wow.
Felicia Devine: She had like color to her. so I was like. oh my gosh. And then I started to self -reflecting and I'm like, Unclear.
Natalie Richards: You look - really good.
Felicia Devine: Oh, do I?
Natalie Richards: And do you feel, yeah, I really do.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: No, I think right now you look good.
Felicia Devine: Do I well I'm also wearing tons of Like.
Natalie Richards: And make up.
Felicia Devine: bronzer. Because I came to the realization that like, I'm clear.
Natalie Richards: You feel like you're clear. Like you feel like you're not.
Felicia Devine: I'm see -through. and
Natalie Richards: Still.
Felicia Devine: Barring the conversation that a lot of people have like. not conversation because it was a one -off comment multiple times that people made but they're like oh you like I can tell you don't feel good.
Natalie Richards: That you don't look good.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Great.
Felicia Devine: and
Natalie Richards: Thank you so much.
Felicia Devine: Even like with the summer, I felt like my skin was like. tan, but I still looked. see -through. if that makes sense.
Natalie Richards: I know what you mean you just don't have the life underneath
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So like the color of my skin was like technically tanned, but it was like as if it had like.
Natalie Richards: I have kombucha.
Felicia Devine: You know when you look through an egg with a flashlight?
Natalie Richards: Yes, and it's, yes, translucent.
Felicia Devine: to see if there's a chicken in there.
Natalie Richards: Okay, hold on one second Felicia.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, you're good.
Natalie Richards: I guess so If you shine the flashlight through an egg.
Felicia Devine: Okay, shine the light. Anyway, so that's how my skin has felt.
Natalie Richards: Yeah
Felicia Devine: Now that I've accepted it. And so I'm just waiting for the moment.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: And I don't know. I think I'm hopeful that I'm going to wake up one day and be like. Porcelain. and gorgeous. Not that it's about what you look like. but
Natalie Richards: But that's like kind of an indicator of how your internal health is.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So every morning I wake up and I'm like, it's today the day. ah And they say it can take a few weeks to set in.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: I don't know. I mean, I i don't know if I'm...
Natalie Richards: How long has it been? Has it been two?
Felicia Devine: Not even two weeks.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: And I don't know if I'm just like grabbing at straws, right? Like I, I don't know if I'll, maybe it raises my ferritin.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: two points i don't know so i'm waiting to hear back from the doctor on when we retest but
Natalie Richards: whatever i mean it's
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, I mean, I'm just...
Natalie Richards: And at least...
Felicia Devine: Not sure.
Natalie Richards: helps Like it's getting you. closer.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, I just like.
Natalie Richards: hopefully.
Felicia Devine: I don't know. I'm just like not.
Natalie Richards: I think it's just time, dude.
Felicia Devine: I'm just not feeling good.
Natalie Richards: I think. I know. Cool.
Felicia Devine: It's just like constant fatigue and it sounds like dramatic but There's points in my day where I'm like. I could. Be narcoleptic.
Natalie Richards: Mm -hmm.
Felicia Devine: Like. I like if I were to close my eyes right now, I wouldn't. have any issue falling asleep. so I don't know and then it like just makes me so aggravated because I have all these like aspirations and creative juices and I want to like fulfill all these things and do all these roles and like
Natalie Richards: I know. I know.
Felicia Devine: ah You know clean my house and do all these things and and i'm like
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Yep.
Felicia Devine: I'm feeling so far frustrated.
Natalie Richards: ah you It's...
Felicia Devine: And train for the high rocks.
Natalie Richards: yeah Yeah, no kidding.
Felicia Devine: Ugh.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh. i That's going to be.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Like i I was sitting in the sauna the other day and I i only lasted like 10 minutes because I like.
Natalie Richards: I know.
Felicia Devine: I just felt so. crummy in there. Like I literally was about to have a panic attack.
Natalie Richards: That's kind of how I feel too. I don't feel like I have like... resilience at this point.
Felicia Devine: No.
Natalie Richards: It's gone.
Felicia Devine: So. Wait, that takes me to a point.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: I just had my first initial like full new patient consult. with Jenny for homeopathy.
Natalie Richards: That's awesome. I feel like I need to get go down that route too.
Felicia Devine: So she did my HRV.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And she did all my body systems. So like we looked at all of my organ systems with like my spine.
Natalie Richards: then
Felicia Devine: We looked at my acupuncture points, my brain waves, my.
Natalie Richards: who
Felicia Devine: um cardiac age, like all these things. um And basically... I'm like. Doing okay.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: But I'm like on the tail end of okay. And I think that's why I'm like. daily i can function fine and then it's like one thing sets me off and i'm like definitely
Natalie Richards: That's exactly. Yes. That's exactly how I am.
Felicia Devine: Or like once a week. Yeah. And that's what I was thinking about.
Natalie Richards: When you ask me how I how i am, I'm like... Like, I'm okay.
Felicia Devine: But if you go to Pilates, you're going to get shrugged throat.
Natalie Richards: but like Absolutely. If I do one thing too much.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. And so... Yeah.
Natalie Richards: um umm
Felicia Devine: Yes, exactly. I'm so fragile
Natalie Richards: finished. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So my all of my scans showed that I'm like. unable to toggle between nervous system states.
Natalie Richards: Totally.
Felicia Devine: So like. I'm either resting and digesting or I'm in fight or flight. But if I ask my body to quickly shift.
Natalie Richards: Uh -huh.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: ah I'm good as gone. Right.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Like I cannot. I cannot operate in like a. quick shift.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So... yeah we're gonna get i'm gonna get some constitutional stuff i'm gonna get some like a cute
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: stuff. she's gonna make me some Protocols.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: I got my iron. I have my supplements.
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: Like I'm determined within the next six months to feel so good.
Natalie Richards: to do that
Natalie Richards: I feel like.
Felicia Devine: And I think it's very very possible.
Natalie Richards: That's like the missing piece for me too is like it's it really is the nervous system part of it
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: like i i know that's what needs to be healed but i don't think i can do that on my own you know like you need something extra energetic.
Felicia Devine: Right. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I think.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: so i need Maybe I'll just come there and visit you and I'll have Jenny look at me.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah. Jenny do like your whole HRV thing.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: It's so fascinating. She has this whole programming.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Like my brain waves are like. A little bit. skewed like my delta waves are a little bit higher than they should be and like things like that where it's like slightly skewed but it's enough to be like well yeah like
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: okay
Natalie Richards: I think we are very in tune with ourselves too, because we have to know that stuff.
Felicia Devine: That makes sense.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Right.
Natalie Richards: So like, even if something's a little bit not optimal, like we, we're going to recognize it.
Felicia Devine: Right I know.
Natalie Richards: And that's hard for us because
Felicia Devine: Ram.
Natalie Richards: For most people like they'd be they'd be fine You know?
Felicia Devine: I know. I'm like.
Felicia Devine: And. the amount of people that come to my office and they'll do like neck, let's just like be simple, like their neck range of motion.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, how does that feel? And they're like, normal. It feels fine. I'm like.
Natalie Richards: It's like, really?
Felicia Devine: You have. a third of the range of motion that normal is, but that's your normal.
Natalie Richards: Right. Right.
Felicia Devine: And you don't even, it's like the whole naive thing.
Natalie Richards: Right. Most people just don't realize.
Felicia Devine: They don't even know that's not normal. And I'm like. i don't I don't live in that realm for a lot of health things. Because I know what is normal.
Natalie Richards: her
Felicia Devine: like truly by a book, like physiologically, what is optimal. And I'm like, well, I'm operating at less than optimal at all times.
Natalie Richards: Great.
Felicia Devine: And I consciously know that.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: And it's detrimental to my wellbeing because I am so hyper aware.
Natalie Richards: Yep. Because I know that I'm not okay. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And I wouldn't take it as far to say I have like health OCD or like anything like that, because I'm not like spending every minute of my existence being like, Oh, what's my pulse?
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: Or like, Oh, like.
Natalie Richards: No, no
Felicia Devine: What's my sleep score? Like, I don't like hyper analyze.
Natalie Richards: No, we're innately aware of it. It doesn't.
Felicia Devine: i'm just innately aware and i'm like well yeah i just like don't feel good and
Natalie Richards: who Yeah. Yep.
Felicia Devine: I don't know. Maybe it's slightly frustrating to Dan because I will just be like, I don't feel good. And he's like, well, what doesn't feel good? And I'm like, I just feel off.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, there's no way to pinpoint it.
Felicia Devine: and he's like well what doctor do we go to for that and I'm like None.
Natalie Richards: None. That's the that's the problem.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, that's the hard answer because I don't have any.
Natalie Richards: None.
Felicia Devine: trusted circle.
Natalie Richards: Oh, will me.
Felicia Devine: So like.
Natalie Richards: She just snuck her little way into the house.
Felicia Devine: Is she here?
Felicia Devine: and Natalie's house is feeling... vibrant today.
Natalie Richards: This is why my nervous system is not okay.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. You can't. Can't dabble. um Okay, so yeah, there's like no one doctor that I feel. I have found yet. So I'm using my resources, right? Like I got all my like very in -depth blood work.
Felicia Devine: i got food sensitivity testing.
Natalie Richards: here
Felicia Devine: I'm working with Jenny. I'm taking my supplements. I'm doing my own research. So I think if I can kind of get this part of my health dialed in. I feel like I am because again Outside looking in, people are like, oh she's normal.
Natalie Richards: Totally.
Felicia Devine: But they can because they can see right through my skin.
Natalie Richards: That's the hard part. No.
Felicia Devine: I don't know. And there's something also to be said, like Jenny was like, it is a very real thing to still be breastfeeding.
Natalie Richards: It's awesome. so hard.
Felicia Devine: Like. You are still giving.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: In a state where like you're, you're not refilling your tank fully and you're still giving.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And I understand that. And I am patient about that because that is something I'm choosing to.
Natalie Richards: Yes. Absolutely.
Felicia Devine: continue.
Natalie Richards: And I think when that when you do choose to not do that anymore, I think you will actually feel.
Felicia Devine: um
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: hormonally very different.
Felicia Devine: Well, and like energetically, i'm I'm not going to be expending a ton of energy.
Natalie Richards: It. Totally.
Felicia Devine: And it's, I think.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: Sadly, it's somewhat coming up. that it's gonna end because like even this morning he like didn't really want to nurse in the morning
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And I was like, oh, do you want mommy milks? And he was like. Yeah! And then he nursed for like literally seven seconds and then like went about. And I was like.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Okay! And like, I'm not forcing it. Like, I'm not like you have to drink like.
Natalie Richards: no It's fine.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. and you know
Natalie Richards: Even if it's once a day, it's fine.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: okay Whatever.
Felicia Devine: So I'm just going to let it naturally happen because I also feel like hormonally that'll be easier if it's like.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Oh it's way easier.
Felicia Devine: progressively like just like getting less instead of cutting cold turkey.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: So I don't know. There's a lot going on that I'm just, I'm. Stinking tired, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: i know
Felicia Devine: I'm stinking tired, but we're getting there. We have optimism because I have iron in my system now.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Who knows what I'm doing with it?
Natalie Richards: It's there. It's there.
Felicia Devine: It's there.
Natalie Richards: Now you just have to...
Felicia Devine: It better. It better replenish my skin, let me tell you.
Natalie Richards: you Oh my god.
Felicia Devine: Because I was also starting to have these thoughts of like, are we getting old? Like I'd wake up in the morning, my skin was like.
Natalie Richards: Oh my god.
Felicia Devine: old looking.
Natalie Richards: Yes, I've felt that too.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, I don't have a wrinkle about me, but like, am I getting old?
Natalie Richards: I know
Felicia Devine: And I honestly think it's because like.
Natalie Richards: And it's only some days.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: It's only some days.
Felicia Devine: I just. don't have I don't have vitality.
Natalie Richards: The vitality. That's what I'm feeling like I'm missing.
Felicia Devine: The vitality is being reinjected into me.
Natalie Richards: Mhm.
Felicia Devine: And we'll see what we do with it.
Natalie Richards: We both are on that.
Felicia Devine: I don't know. Should I start taking creatine?
Natalie Richards: I don't know.
Felicia Devine: Oh, thanks.
Natalie Richards: I...
Felicia Devine: Do we need peptides?
Natalie Richards: I don't know dude.
Felicia Devine: Should we peptide Natalie?
Natalie Richards: No, I think my general thought is no on that.
Felicia Devine: Oh. Really?
Natalie Richards: I think so.
Felicia Devine: Really?
Natalie Richards: Yeah, I think like. you can take amino acid You can take amino acids.
Felicia Devine: Really?
Natalie Richards: And then you can create all the peptides that you could ever want.
Felicia Devine: and when I want to inject a peptide in me.
Natalie Richards: They're all just like.
Felicia Devine: I went out.
Natalie Richards: Things we make anyway.
Felicia Devine: i wanted to all Everyone else injectables.
Natalie Richards: I've thought about it. and There's no, I just can't.
Felicia Devine: I know. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I just like can't.
Felicia Devine: I would only do it in the most.
Natalie Richards: I can't.
Felicia Devine: most controlled setting. like I would pay a doctor. as much money as it would be needed like i'm not black market doing it
Natalie Richards: To do it for you. Oh my god, no.
Felicia Devine: No, I'm not ordering it like with like a false label. Absolutely not
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: I would do it if it came from like a legitimate. doctor. And I was paying. out the wazoo.
Natalie Richards: I just...
Felicia Devine: That's the only way.
Natalie Richards: can't do it. I just physically mentally.
Felicia Devine: Am I going to do it? No, never. But I will.
Natalie Richards: emotionally, it cannot.
Felicia Devine: I would think I want to.
Natalie Richards: I know.
Felicia Devine: I think.
Natalie Richards: Because it just looks so great.
Felicia Devine: It sounds cool.
Natalie Richards: it looks It looks so great. like others
Felicia Devine: No, in my head, I'm like Oh, it'll give me muscles.
Natalie Richards: Uh -huh.
Felicia Devine: Like i it won't.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: It won't, you have to earn them, but.
Natalie Richards: No. You know what? I have a patient. She's kind of like obsessing over like all the different peptides.
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: she's i mean she started with like you know the dlp one and then she got into like
Felicia Devine: Oh, I'm not going to do a gelby one, but.
Natalie Richards: a muscular one and then she got into the one that makes you tan and then I've i've just like started looking at her I'm like
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: No. i've or I've seen this guy's videos.
Natalie Richards: Things are a little...
Felicia Devine: Weird.
Natalie Richards: Things are looking a little weird.
Felicia Devine: No, I've seen this guy that does the orange one. Well, I call it orange. The tanning one is crazy. That can't be good.
Natalie Richards: So I'm just like. I just don't know.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Well.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I don't think we need to be messing with this.
Felicia Devine: No. I don't think, no, we're not peptide girlies.
Natalie Richards: I'm not a person.
Felicia Devine: Should I take creatine?
Natalie Richards: ah See, I... Sure. Like, there's no reason for you not to, but also like, is it miraculous?
Felicia Devine: Okay.
Natalie Richards: I personally don't think so.
Felicia Devine: No, but like.
Natalie Richards: For me, it made me.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. bloaty.
Natalie Richards: well... Yeah, it made me super bloaty. But like I've done a couple different kinds.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, but you have to stick through the bloating.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, I've done a couple different types.
Felicia Devine: That's what they say. for like two weeks, you're going to have like water retention.
Natalie Richards: And it was okay. I just don't know that I noticed enough to like keep. going.
Felicia Devine: Well, I heard you have to like.
Natalie Richards: To like.
Felicia Devine: weights.
Natalie Richards: Add it. I've done it for a long time.
Felicia Devine: Oh you have?
Natalie Richards: yeah I did it for many, many, many months.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: But then I was just kind of like.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: okay but that was also when I was like in the midst of like my major
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: healing and not feeling good. So.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, I don't know
Natalie Richards: i don't know it's like another It's another thing that you can add that's not bad. It's good it's in general good.
Felicia Devine: I know. I was just like...
Natalie Richards: I think aminos are really helpful, like the perfect.
Felicia Devine: Okay. I have these. hopes and visions that I'm going to like have a. Whole life transformation.
Natalie Richards: From one thing.
Felicia Devine: I'm like, I'm like, who wants to be a part of it? Do you creatine? Do you want to be a part of it? Like, do you want, do you want like to be on the the movie credits when I say this is my transformation?
Natalie Richards: I'm also waiting for that one magic pill and there it just doesn't exist.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. well and then I'm gonna feel so good I'm gonna get so healthy I'm gonna be so energized and then I'm going to get pregnant.
Natalie Richards: Right, and then you'd be like, oops.
Felicia Devine: Oops, I did it again. To start over.
Natalie Richards: No, I, so like.
Felicia Devine: But... I don't know
Natalie Richards: The perfect amino and like other amino acid blends I think are helpful because
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: your body That's like what peptides are.
Felicia Devine: your body does what it needs to do.
Natalie Richards: So like it can take those amino acids and create whatever it needs to create.
Felicia Devine: I know.
Felicia Devine: whatever it needs. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm So I think that is great.
Felicia Devine: I know. Blah blah blah.
Natalie Richards: Like if you're going to do something.
Felicia Devine: Boring.
Felicia Devine: I want some risk involved, Natalie, now that I get infusions.
Natalie Richards: I'm with you. I'm with you.
Felicia Devine: Woo!
Natalie Richards: Give me, I know.
Felicia Devine: woo
Natalie Richards: Give me the fringe stuff.
Felicia Devine: Oh.
Natalie Richards: I'm into the fringe. I just like.
Felicia Devine: No, what's alarming, Natalie?
Natalie Richards: Don't want to inject something into my body
Felicia Devine: So where I go to get the confusions is the Cancer Institute at the hospital.
Natalie Richards: Oh yeah.
Felicia Devine: It's like the infusion center.
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: And the first time I went, I was in like a different bay. And then this time I went, I was in like a further back room. And it was still a bae. and I go, oh, what's the difference between like all these rooms? Like, just curious. She goes, oh, well, like.
Felicia Devine: The bay up front is for all the nurses and staff that are either nursing or pregnant because they can't be around. Chemotherapy.
Natalie Richards: Right.
Felicia Devine: um as I'm sitting next to multiple people doing chemotherapy, I'm like, I'm nursing. She's like, oh, it's fine. I'm like.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay. And I get there's something to be said about like daily exposure.
Natalie Richards: Oof.
Natalie Richards: Oof.
Felicia Devine: I will say but I was just like Um...
Natalie Richards: Yeah. Totally. mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: Should I not be here?
Natalie Richards: What?
Felicia Devine: Like the guy the guy was that that was administering the chemotherapy to the the man sitting next to me, he was wearing a hazmat suit, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: That's crazy.
Natalie Richards: Isn't that so scary?
Felicia Devine: I know.
Natalie Richards: Like I...
Felicia Devine: And I was just like, oh.
Natalie Richards: we that's a whole other That's a whole other topic of conversation.
Felicia Devine: I know. Oh gosh. I know.
Natalie Richards: I have a lot of thoughts.
Felicia Devine: Maybe reserved for another episode.
Natalie Richards: Yeah we can't get into that right now. I have so many thoughts.
Felicia Devine: I know. I know.
Natalie Richards: That's one of those one of those areas that I just can't fully
Felicia Devine: Me too.
Felicia Devine: I know. I don't want to talk about it though because I don't want to. Open that can of worms.
Natalie Richards: I know.
Felicia Devine: um Okay, well.
Natalie Richards: Okay. Um. ah No.
Felicia Devine: That's it for this week.
Natalie Richards: no no no No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Felicia Devine: No?
Natalie Richards: Do you have to talk about the Strider bike competition?
Felicia Devine: Oh, we don't have time for that, Natalie.
Natalie Richards: I sure we do. We have 10 minutes, but yeah.
Felicia Devine: You think? okay all right all right
Natalie Richards: Get into it.
Felicia Devine: Ugh! It was. I have thoughts.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay, so... Alright. Dan and I are very intense people. Right. Like when we're like, oh, Sepp's going to ride a bike.
Felicia Devine: He's going to ride. a top of the line bike. He's going to have upgrades on it.
Natalie Richards: totally
Felicia Devine: He's going to wear a good helmet. He's going to have nice things. Right. And it's not like a money thing. It's just like when we do something, we like go in.
Natalie Richards: No, it's just...
Felicia Devine: Um. And so. we were like, pretty intense as far as like what I would expect like a two -year -old to be doing you know like How much he was riding his bike, like the skills he was learning, the like speed he was going, his like handling.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So like.
Natalie Richards: He was, he's so good.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, and like... I... think he's good so I was like you know. I don't want to be like boasting. So I was like, oh, we'll like go in there like treading lightly, whatever.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So I like, you know, packed his speed suit, but I was like, oh, like maybe he doesn't wear it because like, I don't want him to be like everybody else in like.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh that's... So cute.
Felicia Devine: pull up diapers and Giuseppe's rolling with a speed suit.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Right. So we show up Friday, which is tech inspection and practice. So they like inspect your bike. It has to have like. certain things that you know, make it safe, but then like there can be no um off -brand upgrades.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Mm hmm.
Felicia Devine: Like everything has to be Strider brand, whatever. I get it.
Natalie Richards: Sure.
Felicia Devine: So we do tech inspection and then we go to the practice course and it's off. It's not the regular course. It's like off to the side and it's like a concrete pump track.
Felicia Devine: Um. with like some like significant features like mind you all of the stuff that we're like using is for adults. It's not for children. Okay, so like the height of the pump track.
Natalie Richards: Wow.
Felicia Devine: the height of the bumps are for adult humans, right? And it's not for two -year -olds. So it's steep and it's...
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: fast for a little tiny kid.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So we go and I'm just like a little overwhelmed because I'm realizing that like. our intensity is middle of the road for these people right like there are kids here that are wearing chest plates and full BMX outfits, okay?
Natalie Richards: Uh huh.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: There's also kids here that are like still sucking on their binky while riding. Like no joke.
Natalie Richards: Totally. I totally believe that.
Felicia Devine: Okay, so I was like I was like not ready to feel middle of the pack.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: In the sense of like intensity.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: So actually made me feel more comfortable because I was like, oh, okay. Like we're not. overly training or like over the top in our outfit or our gear or our like whatever
Natalie Richards: you're not overdoing it Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So I was like really excited about that. So Friday we go and we are. Like. entering the practice track and it's concrete. It's steep. And there's a start gate, which is like this metal gate they put up. You put your tire on it. When the gate drops, you go.
Natalie Richards: oh my
Felicia Devine: Giuseppe's never seen that.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: Okay. He, he's never done any, like he's never even ridden with another child on a Strider bike.
Natalie Richards: That's crazy.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Okay. So I'm like a little bit like shaken in my boots, but I also have this like false confidence that like. He's mine.
Natalie Richards: He's fine. He can do it.
Felicia Devine: Like, I'm just like, get up there.
Natalie Richards: It's fine. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So homeboy gets up there is absolutely smashing it.
Natalie Richards: oh Oh my gosh.
Felicia Devine: Natalie. crushing it.
Natalie Richards: Of course he did.
Felicia Devine: He's riding with three and four year olds. There was a couple other their two -year -olds, but it was like...
Natalie Richards: Oh.
Felicia Devine: it There were no rules.
Natalie Richards: Bigger kids. Picky, picky. Thank you.
Felicia Devine: There were no There were no organizers.
Natalie Richards: Yeah
Felicia Devine: It was of a mayhem free -for -all, which...
Natalie Richards: Oh really?
Felicia Devine: Yeah, it was like truly like take this with what you want and like do with what you want.
Natalie Richards: Oh I'm surprised by that.
Felicia Devine: So like. there's general idea that like kids should all be riding in this direction on the track, but like. Let's just say not every child knows how to follow rules or like instructions.
Natalie Richards: Sure.
Felicia Devine: So like there were kids riding backwards.
Natalie Richards: I guess you have to have expectations for two -year -olds that Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. But. The good part about Friday night was it was mostly three and four year olds. So Giuseppe was riding next to kids who had very good bike handling skills, who were keeping to their own space, who were going correct directions, who were doing it.
Felicia Devine: correctly.
Natalie Richards: yes
Felicia Devine: Okay, and that will make sense when I reference Saturday. So Friday, we had all these like, oh my gosh, he crushed it. He was using the gate appropriately. He was like.
Felicia Devine: driving off the line. He was holding his line.
Natalie Richards: Cool.
Felicia Devine: He was not bumping into other kids. like It was really encouraging.
Natalie Richards: What a good experience.
Felicia Devine: and like
Natalie Richards: It's so great.
Felicia Devine: Oh my God. We were so excited. So then they give us this like packet at inspection and it's like. So intense and we didn't even open it till we got to dinner because it was like there was a lot of peaches and it's going through like
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh.
Felicia Devine: how many heats there are and the time of lineup and how serious it is. And like, this is what it means. And like, no, there's no funny business with like parents aren't allowed on the track. And like, you can't use foul language.
Natalie Richards: Mm -hmm.
Felicia Devine: There's like a lot of rules, right? It's like a true. sport event. It's not like a hobby.
Natalie Richards: that's
Felicia Devine: like People are there to sport.
Natalie Richards: Great. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So Dan and I are like, oh, good. We're like so prepared for this. like Giuseppe is ready. So we read the instructions and everything says that the real track opens at 8 a .m. on Saturday.
Felicia Devine: two year olds go off at nine for their like race. And we're like, okay, great. We'll get there a little before eight. He'll get out on the track. He goes out on the track. Absolutely thriving. Okay. Again, full features, huge.
Felicia Devine: lumps humps whatever you want to call it right because it's It's like a like the world championship was there the next weekend.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Natalie Richards: Oh wow.
Felicia Devine: for BMX.
Natalie Richards: So this is like real, real.
Felicia Devine: it's not It's not like make -believe.
Natalie Richards: made for kids.
Felicia Devine: It's a real pump track.
Natalie Richards: It's real.
Felicia Devine: So we're out on the course. He probably does like five practice laps. absolutely smashes it then a band of the hurricane came through and so we like got off the track they were like leaf blowing it whatever trying to dry it out And he had a snack.
Felicia Devine: We, we were like, okay, you're wearing your speed suit. Like he was like so excited. He was like in his Italian speed suit.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: He was the only kid. So like. I look at it like biking could go to two different ways. You can go the BMX, Supercross.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: way.
Natalie Richards: Totally.
Felicia Devine: Or you can go like cycling.
Natalie Richards: Cycling.
Felicia Devine: like tour de france road cycling way right we were the only people who went the Tour de France cycling way, which is fine.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Natalie Richards: Which is... So great.
Felicia Devine: which is totally fine everybody else all the kids were wearing like these like
Natalie Richards: That's so...
Felicia Devine: Um. full outfit, like BMX.
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: Like. baggy outfits with like chest plates. And like, it was so darn cute.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. That's adorable.
Felicia Devine: So at 8 .50, mind you, to the night the two -year -olds go off at 9 a .m. At 850, they kind of like corral all the two -year -olds and their parents. to get ready for what's called a parade lab.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: So we all kind of corral. and then for 40 minutes, Natalie. They do announcements.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: And awards. and give out plaques and interview alumni.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: Well, we're all corralled with these two -year -olds on bicycles.
Natalie Richards: Then they're just ready to go
Felicia Devine: And they're losing their mind.
Natalie Richards: Oh no.
Felicia Devine: There are kids on the floor having tantrums.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: It's raining.
Natalie Richards: Oh!
Felicia Devine: Um, Kids needed to go to the bathroom. People wanted snacks. Giuseppe was getting sleepy. Like.
Natalie Richards: That's... crazy.
Felicia Devine: For 40 minutes, you're you're telling two -year -olds to sit still on their bicycle that they're all day waiting to ride.
Natalie Richards: waiting. waiting waiting waiting oh no
Felicia Devine: So then finally at 930, okay, mind you, we lined up at 850.
Natalie Richards: and
Felicia Devine: At 930, they take the two -year -olds out on the course. Zero parents allowed. inside the course, right? So we're all barricaded out with like... We're like not allowed in there.
Natalie Richards: Oh that's crazy.
Felicia Devine: Okay. So they have I don't know eight staff members on the course. Okay. They have 42 -year -olds.
Natalie Richards: ah
Felicia Devine: Lined up in no. particular order. And they're kind of like standing with their arms out, like, don't go yet. Okay. Now. There's something to be said about a two -year -old that just turned two. And a two -year -old that's about to be three.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Okay. their comprehension, their rule following, their understanding of so so socio, like, like what to do.
Natalie Richards: very different human being.
Natalie Richards: Very different human being.
Felicia Devine: Very different. Also, there's skill set on bike handling from a fresh two -year -old. to an almost three year old.
Natalie Richards: Very different, yes.
Felicia Devine: Very different. so All of a sudden they're trying to corral these two -year -olds. They just start going, okay?
Natalie Richards: Of course.
Felicia Devine: They're like ants that got stomped on, right? They're just fleeing.
Natalie Richards: Oh!
Felicia Devine: Now these these staff members Have no... way of Coordinating. What's happening?
Natalie Richards: of Of course not.
Felicia Devine: So Giuseppe's kind of holding back because like he's recognizing that this is like.
Natalie Richards: if he's the chaos. this is, this is not right.
Felicia Devine: Kind of crazy.
Natalie Richards: Mom, dad, this is not right.
Felicia Devine: So yeah. like you can see i have a video of him and i zoom in and he's just like big eyes like
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: i don't know about this This is where Dan and I. failed to support him correctly. We let him go out on the parade lap.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And that's where it went. absolutely disastrous. So the first feature is a huge drop off.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Okay. Two -year -olds that shouldn't be biking next to other two -year -olds. The problem is it was a density of two -year -olds with low comprehension of.
Natalie Richards: Oh my gosh. of other people and biking.
Felicia Devine: biking and or skill set.
Natalie Richards: Oh no. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: and a lack of direction following. so
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: They all, it's just a mass pilot.
Natalie Richards: Oh, that's...
Felicia Devine: And another kid.
Natalie Richards: So sad.
Felicia Devine: Another kid crashed out, Giuseppe, okay?
Natalie Richards: Ugh.
Felicia Devine: So he... Got his leg scraped up and he like. he he got hurt but not in the sense of like he couldn't use his leg he emotionally got hurt too
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Bye. where it went even more wrong. was that no parents were allowed out on the course. and where dan was sit standing from where he started giuseppe and where i was standing as a spectator We couldn't communicate with each other.
Natalie Richards: ah
Felicia Devine: I could see that this was going very poorly. Dan from where he was standing didn't know what was happening.
Natalie Richards: Oh okay.
Felicia Devine: And so. we saw other dads starting to run out on the course and just like, they were like cursing. they're like You know, what?
Natalie Richards: Wow.
Felicia Devine: the f like you know their kid was pretty much left out to dry and get smushed
Natalie Richards: Truly, yeah. Truly.
Felicia Devine: And like the staff were.
Natalie Richards: Not really doing much.
Felicia Devine: i I would say not doing what they should have been doing.
Natalie Richards: Yes.
Felicia Devine: Okay. And Giuseppe was part of. the disaster that From where they fell, they physically, like that age, couldn't get up the next feature.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: It was steep. So they had to wait their turn for an adult to come and put them on the next feature, like push them up the hill.
Natalie Richards: Right, and the meanwhile there's more coming.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, so.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So I couldn't see Seth because he was in this hole. Dan didn't know what was happening. So he didn't run out. I couldn't get to him either. And so we kind of feel like we abandoned him in a sense because he was so.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: Like. distraught.
Natalie Richards: Sweet boy.
Felicia Devine: so an adult finally put him on the top and he like goes he finishes the lap And like. He was looking for me. in the crowd because he could hear me and he couldn't see me and he was holding it together and then when he saw danny he just burst into tears
Natalie Richards: Oh. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: oh Of course. Of course.
Felicia Devine: Because he was out there for a long time. It wasn't like it was like Oh, he crashed and they picked him up and he kept going.
Natalie Richards: It was many minutes, yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, and like... There were a lot of parents that were like very upset by what had happened.
Natalie Richards: How many times have they done this?
Felicia Devine: And so
Natalie Richards: Do they not know?
Felicia Devine: 15 years.
Natalie Richards: 15 years. Is this like as big as it's ever been?
Felicia Devine: I don't know
Natalie Richards: Interesting.
Felicia Devine: But whoever planned this. portion of it. didn't take into the account that Two -year -olds, A, don't have an attention span.
Natalie Richards: at their two.
Felicia Devine: That's 40 minutes long.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: And B, shouldn't to you shouldn't put two -year -olds out in the course like that.
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: No way was that safe.
Natalie Richards: have to split them up.
Felicia Devine: Well, and then the other thing that was happening is by the time Giuseppe started going again, kids were now going backwards on the course because they couldn't follow direction.
Natalie Richards: Oh my god. No.
Felicia Devine: Cause there are two. Well, Giuseppe could, but like.
Natalie Richards: Oh. boy
Felicia Devine: ah Maybe there are younger two.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And they're riding backwards. So he almost got head -on collided with. Again, these features are big. It's not like it's all like he could see over this top.
Natalie Richards: You can't see. Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And once you go down the the next feature, you're going fast.
Natalie Richards: oof
Felicia Devine: so like He's like... dodging people that are coming on head on. Like it was an absolute nightmare.
Natalie Richards: Oh my word.
Felicia Devine: So that's not even where. the nightmare starts.
Natalie Richards: Oh my god.
Felicia Devine: Or ends, I should say. So.
Natalie Richards: awful
Felicia Devine: The two -year -olds, there were so many two -year -olds, they had to do five heats. Well, Giuseppe was in heat one. So I didn't know what was happening because, again, I was on the spectator side. Dan was on the start line. So Dan had him in holding of the heat and then gets him up on the start line.
Felicia Devine: Well, I'm like zooming in on my phone to see him because I'm so far away.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: And you could tell he's crying.
Natalie Richards: Oh.
Felicia Devine: And I'm like, oh no, the poor kid. like He hurt his leg. He's upset. Okay. So they dropped the gate. And he doesn't move.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: He doesn't move. and I'm like Okay. So Dan like picks him up and like goes off the stage.
Natalie Richards: Sure.
Felicia Devine: Um, I go, then I, because I realized he didn't move. I'm like, I'm going to go back to the, the holdings. staging area so i go back there he's hysterically crying i'm like okay let's like Take a beat.
Felicia Devine: I nursed him. I then I went and I talked to the race organizers and I was like, Hey, um, he crashed in the first lap. He was really ah upset. He was in heat one. He didn't have time to recover.
Felicia Devine: Can we try again?
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So they put 151, his number. Heat 5, like multiple people had it on their heat sheets.
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: We lined up in Heat 5's starting gate.
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: They came down the line. They're like here. You're laying one. You're laying to whatever I was laying 12
Natalie Richards: mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: or giuseppe 151 lean 12.
Natalie Richards: Yep.
Felicia Devine: we go up we are on the starting stage That's like a stage with a start gate.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: It's like, it's a big deal.
Natalie Richards: real. mm -hmm
Felicia Devine: the starter comes up to me Natalie and says get off the stage absolutely not he had his chance He's not racing. He already had a chance to get off.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: He kicked us off. the stage. I had to get Giuseppe off his bike and get off the stage.
Natalie Richards: my goodness
Felicia Devine: They kicked us off.
Natalie Richards: Whoa.
Felicia Devine: Because he had a chance.
Natalie Richards: Whoa.
Felicia Devine: So, OK, I burst into tears when we get off the stage.
Natalie Richards: okay oh
Felicia Devine: I go in the corner. I burst into tears because I felt as if.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: It wasn't. It wasn't kind, right? like
Natalie Richards: Totally. You felt.
Felicia Devine: I could see if like.
Natalie Richards: you felt like
Felicia Devine: If I was a parent that was like, oh, he didn't win. I'm going to try to get him to heat five again.
Natalie Richards: where
Felicia Devine: Like he didn't even start.
Natalie Richards: right
Felicia Devine: Right. And I just felt like. What's so big of a deal? Like you can't win the grand prize in the two -year -old division anyway.
Natalie Richards: Oh. wow
Natalie Richards: Right, so who cares?
Felicia Devine: It wasn't like, and the grand prize was.
Natalie Richards: And again, there are two.
Felicia Devine: acknowledgement It wasn't even like money.
Natalie Richards: Like, who cares?
Felicia Devine: Yeah. So I'm like really upset about it. So. He didn't race in that heat, and then they put out the like final heat sheets. He didn't make it on there because he didn't even start.
Natalie Richards: because we didn't start sure.
Felicia Devine: it was just this whole thing and they're like well just like add them onto it and i'm like well i tried that last time and like you kicked me off the start line so like
Natalie Richards: Right. Right.
Felicia Devine: I was just like really flustered.
Natalie Richards: o
Felicia Devine: So Giuseppe. was just like We just went home.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: So he didn't race. Okay.
Natalie Richards: oh
Felicia Devine: So then. We take a bath. We calm them down. I realize. I want this to end on a different note for him. He has no idea he didn't race.
Natalie Richards: Sure. No, he's fine.
Felicia Devine: he doesn't know that
Natalie Richards: No.
Felicia Devine: But I was like, I don't want this. to end our Florida journey. So we went back to the course after his like. tub and we just rested and he rode the practice track with the start gate And he did probably 20 laps.
Natalie Richards: cool He had his experience.
Felicia Devine: He had so much fun.
Natalie Richards: He had so much fun.
Felicia Devine: there were other kids out on the practice course with him that wanted more like time on their bikes
Natalie Richards: Yep. Yep.
Felicia Devine: other parents that we were just chatting with and he got to end on a good note Um, the photographer loved him. There's a gazillion, I think there's like over 80 photos of him.
Natalie Richards: So cute.
Felicia Devine: And he only did the parade lap in the practice day. So like.
Natalie Richards: Great.
Felicia Devine: I feel like we got a lot out of it. I was just so deeply disappointed.
Natalie Richards: It wasn't what you expected.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. And like, I get it. There were people there from Japan, Colombia, Costa Rica, all over the US.
Natalie Richards: then
Felicia Devine: Like it wasn't like we traveled the furthest.
Natalie Richards: Wow. No.
Felicia Devine: But I just felt as if we didn't have a chance to participate. And we were set up for failure based on what had happened in that quote unquote pre -lap.
Natalie Richards: totally
Felicia Devine: So that was my feelings about it. so I had those feelings and I'm like, I don't think I'm going to say anything. which I haven't yet. And I don't know if I will, but.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. It is what it is.
Felicia Devine: The next week. after the race. Strider decides to post a promo video. Of. A staff member.
Felicia Devine: putting a two -year -old on her hip and running her through the course. because they care about kids having a good experience and this kid was scared and didn't want to complete the race so we're going to carry you to the finish line if that's what it takes Uh huh.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Okay. So we're going to make sure that kids finish, but they don't start.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, so that's where that's where I got really mad.
Natalie Richards: Okay.
Felicia Devine: Because I could understand the seriousness of like, you know, this is how we structured it.
Natalie Richards: Mm hmm.
Felicia Devine: like We aren't going to bend the rules.
Natalie Richards: Well, it's very... interesting that like
Felicia Devine: But then you're going to carry a child across the finish line because they're scared.
Natalie Richards: Yeah. and then post and say you're such a great
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: Great, like. supportive people.
Felicia Devine: So like the... the That made me upset because i
Natalie Richards: but it really was just one person right like it really was one person that was the problem.
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: and Because everybody else was fine with it. with you going into another heat.
Felicia Devine: Right. Right.
Natalie Richards: That's just weird.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. And I was upset because I just felt as if. the the scenario that played out was unfavorable to us obviously but it was just like
Natalie Richards: Totally.
Felicia Devine: It was unfair in the sense that like they're carrying kids across the finish line, but like my kid couldn't like. cry.
Natalie Richards: Couldn't even get a chance.
Felicia Devine: And try again. Like, it just felt really upsetting.
Natalie Richards: So weird.
Felicia Devine: And I don't know how I feel about it still.
Natalie Richards: And you were already up there.
Felicia Devine: i'm up I'm just...
Natalie Richards: Like, I don't understand the need to like.
Felicia Devine: And it's not that serious.
Natalie Richards: publicly Shame you.
Felicia Devine: Yes. No seriously.
Natalie Richards: Sorry.
Felicia Devine: I'm like I'm crying now.
Natalie Richards: literally Oh. Oh no.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah, it was it was crazy. And I don't even think about the public shame, but. Because I was so invested in like how Giuseppe felt.
Natalie Richards: Yeah, it didn't matter but like if that's what it was
Felicia Devine: It was just horrible. it was horrible
Natalie Richards: That's so sad.
Felicia Devine: and now I'm just like I don't know and Dan's like well I think we should go back for his three -year -old year
Natalie Richards: That's so sad.
Felicia Devine: Because... There's also something to be said like. Most two -year -olds don't know what they're doing.
Natalie Richards: Yeah.
Felicia Devine: Giuseppe knows what he's doing.
Natalie Richards: Totally.
Felicia Devine: He would have been better off if I entered him in like the three -year -old race.
Natalie Richards: Or you just don't. Or do you just... Don't do a race like that. You go and do other things.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, I don't know
Natalie Richards: You can go enter them into other stuff. I get him.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. Yeah.
Natalie Richards: I don't know.
Felicia Devine: Yeah, and it's it's like, it isn't that big of a deal. It just was like.
Natalie Richards: You just want. redemption but like he had a good time
Felicia Devine: Yeah.
Natalie Richards: So you don't have to get redemption for yourself.
Felicia Devine: Yeah. No, no, no.
Natalie Richards: But like for him, like he's good.
Felicia Devine: no Right. And that's why we went back after like I decompressed because I didn't want my emotion to dictate how his experience ended.
Natalie Richards: yeah
Felicia Devine: And he had so much fun when we went back.
Natalie Richards: And that's all that matters.
Felicia Devine: um So it really was and you know dan and i have looked into different things here in pennsylvania we don't have anything at all that resembles that environment.
Natalie Richards: done
Felicia Devine: um because most of the Strider clubs are for. four and up.
Natalie Richards: I know honey, hold on.
Felicia Devine: Okay, it appears we lost Natalie.
Natalie Richards: Jenny, I know, honey. My thing just...
Felicia Devine: So that is a wrap on today's episode.
Natalie Richards: Just went off to.
Felicia Devine: Thanks for joining us.
Natalie Richards: Hold on.
Natalie Richards: thank you mind Hold on honey. you
Natalie Richards: Can you turn your mode back on, buddy? Yeah, daddy will help you.
Natalie Richards: the far well I don't know either. The Wi -Fi went out, so I don't know what's going on. okay i want do a turkey cow is now
