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CFP what tweaks are needed to improve the product?
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Don and Russ talk about the recent CFP and discuss changes. They also discuss a new ruling of eligibility for JC transfers and a little discussion about college basketball.
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Introduction and Show Overview
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This is the Fuel Sports Network. Ladies and gentlemen, I've got a couple questions for you. Do you love college sports as much as I do? Are you always wondering where you can find the latest NCAA reports? Well, you've come to the right place. Welcome, sports fans, to Fuel Sports Presents, the NCAA report with Don and Russ.
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Hosts Introduction and SEC Struggles
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Caught on the field stands, touchdown. The moment you've all been waiting for, here they are, your favorite host, Don Glenn.
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and Russ Robinson. Well, thanks again to Devin Tynan for his introduction of this show. This is the NCAA report. And as always, I'm joined by my broadcast partner from the great state of Missouri, an SEC man through and through, Russ Robinson.
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Yeah, well, I guess we're the SEC, as SEC folks, we're kind of suffering through that college postseason, football postseason. Everybody, the SEC's kind of got their heads spinning counterclockwise that they didn't get a team into the final game, you know, so.
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Well, yeah, the yeah and i can and and you know, there's there is some there's there's some there's some logic to that. Before we go any further, I just want to let everybody know that that the NCAA report is a proud part of the Fuel Sports Network. Check out thefuelsportsnetwork.com for all your articles and podcasts on any, anything really, we're, we're covering it all folks. We're covering football and baseball, basketball. Well, maybe not much basketball, but soccer, um, even some wrestling every now and again. So check out the beautiful sports network dot com. All right. Well, yeah, as you said, um,
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And the, uh, the, uh, we have a new, uh, champion for the NCAA
Ohio State's Surprising Victory
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football. And that is the Ohio state Buckeyes, uh, defeated, uh, the fighting Irish have Notre Dame, 24 to 24 last night. Um, and I, as you and I were talking to them in the little, in our little pre-show here, um,
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You know, there's a lot of people are, and I know you probably saw, I saw a lot of Facebook ah comments and memes about, you know, this is going to be a lousy game, Ohio State versus Notre Dame. No SEC team is in it. um You know, one one meme said that law, I saw said, had a set of stairs with a guy climbing stairs and the one step was lost to Michigan.
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then lost to Oregon, ah fourth place in the big 10. And then it skips like two steps and is way up here. It says to the Nat or a wins the Natty.
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Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, totally forgetting the fact that they had to get through Tennessee and Georgia to get there. Yeah. You know, uh, just like Notre Dame. Yeah. Notre Dame maybe had a lilies you're getting through Indiana. Uh, but you know, they had to beat a really stout Texas team to make that. So, you know,
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Um, yeah the SEC doesn't need to hang their head. I mean, yeah, I think there's a lot of chest bumping going on or, uh, initially with a lot of SEC fans, uh, you know, seeing how it was all going to be an all SEC final and all the other things that that but was, that was being said. And, you know, fans are going to do that. That's, that's just the nature of being a fan. I mean, you know, yeah so.
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But so I did not unfortunately get to watch the game. I've heard a little bit of it and I've seen some things about it. Did you get to watch it last night? Yeah, um you know and my I was going into the game thinking it would be a good close game. But dad I was listening to some, I forgot what network it was on.
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Uh, two analysts speaking about the game and their take on that thing was, was that Ohio state's defensive line was going to give Notre Dame some trouble. They thought that that would just be, uh, it might be a tough game for Notre Dame. And they, that turned out to be right. Cause Notre Dame offense, they came down the field and scored on their first position. They looked like, all right, here they go. But, uh, after that, Ohio state took over and Notre Dame just didn't do much after that. And so, uh,
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I thought in the second half that Marcus Freeman would make his adjustments because he's been really good about making the second half
SEC's Unexpected Outcomes
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adjustments. right I thought I think he's turning out to be a pretty good coach.
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and But no to house they got the ball the first they were they got the kickoff and they went right down the field and scored again. So I mean it just it was just a dominant performance by Ohio State. I mean there's nothing much you can say about it. Yeah, oh I wouldn't say that Notre Dame has anything to hang its head about. They had a great season, but whatever Ryan Day did after that Michigan excuse me after that Michigan game. I mean to turn that around. I mean he did and.
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talked about the SEC teams. I mean, he waltzed over Tennessee, as I recall. and And so, you know, I just and I don't think the the Georgia, I don't think the SEC had was as dominant this year as they were maybe in previous years, especially when Georgia won back to back National launch Championships in Alabama, still had Nick Saban coaching. So just it's it's it's leveled out. So I mean, you know, you and I talked I think last time about how the transfer reporter might be leveling out these conferences somewhat. you know we're one yeah know And you're seeing teams come out of nowhere and and be competitive. you know One good example is Indiana.
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and the in the Big 10. I mean, they came from nowhere. So I mean, and so teams are just, uh, it's just, uh, it's just being, it's leveling out. So, but yeah, it was, uh, it was a dominant performance by Ohio state, you know, so, and, uh, we were discussing, we were wrong, uh, to get their Ohio state had to go through Tennessee and Texas Notre Dame beat Georgia.
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Oh, Notre Dame beat Georgia. Okay. Yeah. Notre Dame beat Ohio state beat Tennessee and Texas. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah. I mean, you know, they, that both teams, you know,
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Both teams had a tough road to hold. Notre Dame might've had an easier path since they had to face Indiana first. I don't think, yeah, yeaha I mean, yeah, they had the Indiana first. So then that was, to me, that's not, that's not like facing Tennessee. I mean, you know, face the fact there, you know, um, now ah you mentioned the, you know, after the Michigan game, I was talking to a friend of mine earlier today.
Ohio State's Motivation from Michigan Loss
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And, uh, you know, I said, I said something to him about, do you think the Michigan game losing that game provided Ohio state with, um, the kick in the butt it needed to play the the level they needed to play to to take, take the national championship? Yeah, I think so. I.
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Because, you know, the Michigan players, I mean, what did they do? Try to plant the flag on the Ohio State side of the field and all of that. That had to be humiliating to Ohio State. And everybody was riding Ryan Day's butt about losing to Michigan. Was that four years in a row he's lost to Michigan or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And they were even talking about, you know, he might lose his job or something. I imagine there was a lot of I'm sure that that team got but motivated and they they they rose to probably what they should have been playing all year. oh yeah So, I mean, the way they ran through that postseason. So, so yeah, you got to get me out. It was oh Ohio State just put it together. You know, I mean, they just put it together. So,
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Um, you know, well, well kudos to them. And like I said, I don't think anybody, at least in the last, in that final four, if you will, um, you know, none of those teams really need to, to, to hang their head about anything because I mean, you had Penn state facing off against Notre Dame, Ohio state in Texas. Um, you know, now.
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And a lot of people are pointing to the fact that, you know, after the first round or when the ah teams that got the first, the first round buys the, the seated, the top four seated teams, you know, none of them won their game. No.
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You know, and people were saying, you know, well, that just proves that, you know, Arizona state and the conference champions don't, and I don't know. I think there may be some legitimacy. I think you and I've talked about this before. I think there may be some legitimacy to that. Um, you know, when you're looking at the NCAA basketball tournament, yes, the conference champions get in, they get an automatic bid.
Criticism of NCAA Playoff System
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Um, but.
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you know, they don't, it's not automatic that a conference champion makes the final or makes the, uh, one of the top four seats. No, no, it's not. it's It's a rating system that they've set up. You know, what is it? Uh,
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What, what do they call that thing? Any tea? Yeah. They use the, any, they use the net. They use Kim Palm. Yeah. And there's a couple other things that they use to the, yeah. yeah and you know and And maybe football should go to something like that. They should look at it that way. I mean, yeah. Allow your, your, you know, conference champions to, to get a ah bid in or get it, get in, get in the the door, if you will. But, you know, maybe see them according to who actually is the better teams.
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Yeah, I don't know ah why. Yeah, because you got to figure that Boise State one won one of the top four teams in the country and they get the fourth, right fourth bid. ah And I don't i know Arizona State played really well at the end of the year, but and they won the big 12. But still, yeah, it doesn't seem like it was it was. So yeah, going to something like what the NCAA tournament does to me seems like the way they shit should go to, but I was you know listening before this thing started, Don, and they were saying there was a lot of politics played in this to get this thing to go. I'm not talking about the SEC and the Big Ten, but a lot of the conferences that oh you know didn't want it to be an all SEC Big Ten play all.
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And so they had to make some concessions. It might've been that was somewhere they made concessions where, you know, they, conference championship games, winning your conference weighed a lot more than, uh, than anything else. So, uh, you know, and then there's the, the, the other ones of, uh, if you played in your conference championship game and lost and you're one of the, the power four or group of five, you played in the last, um,
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Suppose that was not supposed to count against you in the respect that it would not knock you out of the playoff rankings. If you lost that conference game. Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not so sure that's a good idea either. I mean, yeah you know, if when yeah it's different with basketball, cause you're talking 64 teams so or 68 teams.
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Right. um With football, I mean, we're talking 12. I think they'll eventually move to 16. To me, that's just the only thing that's going to make any sense. um Because the ah the other thing was brought up, and i'll I'll kind of sidetrack just a quick second here. The other thing is brought up about the the top four seeds, not winning. They had three weeks off after their last game. yeah no So now there's, there's something a little bit to be said about that, but I think it's going to be tougher. it It'd be really tough with 12 teams to to say, okay, conference champions get in. So there's five, maybe six spots, depending on how many conferences you're going to let, you're going to let in there's five, at least spots out of the 12 that.
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You know, you've got to figure out where they're going to go. Now, maybe one of those teams is an Ohio state at 11 and one or a Georgia at 11 and one, you know, um, so that I, I don't, I don't, you know, I think there's, I think going to 16 might be the way to go because then they can.
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they can satisfy some of these conferences, like Conference USA. I know they were throwing a conniptional fit in some respects about, you know, their top teams not getting in and, you know, and the long and shortage, just like you're go you're seeing in basketball, you are not going to see, or you're not going to please everybody with who who gets in.
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right It's just not going to happen, you know, but I don't want to see the playoff system watered down to the de fact, to the, to the point like the NCAA tournament is where you're letting, you know, basically, you know, 16 and 15 teams into the NCAA tournament. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't want to see a six and six team, um, you know, going to the college football championship playoffs.
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Right. Right. You know, so I don't know how that, how that all will play out. I mean, I hope if they do expand, they stop at 16 and leave it there. If they do go there, that route. Um, the one other thought that was, that somebody came up with, and I don't know, it may, it may bear some, cause you could play at the same weekends. It may bear some fruit is to have a 16 team.
Speculation on Playoff Expansion
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or 12 or 16 team football NIT. the Yeah. Where the, where after the playoffs, the NCAA has made their little playoff selection of who's going in, then you'll have a committee that comes in and says, okay, we'll take, and it gets, cause that way you you would, now you, somebody suggested it'd be fine if the two champions play each other, which would be kind of fun. Um, you know, but I don't know, what do you think about, what do you think about a football NIT?
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It doesn't excite me, Don. Honestly, you know, I guess they would have to include these bowls that aren't included in the. You write down the 12 team playoff some way and they got so many bowls and want to satisfy and so many teams that want to be involved games. I just don't know. It doesn't excite me at all. Yeah, but you know I I did. I didn't think that I thought the balls. With this 12 team playoff, they go to a 16 team. I thought this year they might.
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That might take away from the other bowl games, but I watched not all of them, but several of them and those teams are really into it. I mean those teams played hard and so saw some good bowl games outside the 12 team postseason thing. So I mean.
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But I don't know about an NIT thing in college football. yeah just I mean, i guess like you said, I guess you could run it like you do, like they are with the college football or that first round is is not played in any bowl game. It's played, you know, at a, yeah you know, somebody's home field, so to speak. You know, and then you could use
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bowl games, like maybe the pinstripe bowl, rely quest bowl, things like that, that, you know, to, to fill it all in. But I i do kind of agree. It's a, it's an intriguing idea. Um, but yeah, I'm not sure exactly how excited I would be if it gets announced, I would have to see all the parameters of how they want to make it work. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but I think there's too many, bo I guess, you know, there's so many bowl games that.
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Right now out there, I just I don't know. I don't know how much they don't want to hurt those too much because those are revenues for the schools that they're playing on. Well, in the city and the cities, a lot of these cities that that are hosting them, you know, they they.
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um they're counting on that one bowl game. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you know, maybe not Louisiana, cause they've got, they've got more bowl games and and pro football and stuff like that. But some of these other places, you know, that don't necessarily have um a pro team or a a solid college team ever, you know, they do depend on some of those. So I think, yeah, I think you're right. I, I, I don't know what the answer is. Um, not sure we'll ever know what the answer is. but No.
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Now let them fine tune this 12, this post, see this 12 team post season before they entertain something like that. I yeah you know you like to see that done first. Well, yeah, after the analysis, Ohio State has won the final college top 25 football rankings are out after everything was said and done
College Football Postseason Rankings
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with the playoffs. And of course, as one would expect, Ohio State and Notre Dame are one and two.
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Uh, Oregon comes in at three, Texas four, Penn state five, Georgia six, Arizona state stays in the top 10 at number seven Boise state at eight.
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Tennessee nine and Indiana was 10. So there's your top 10 and then, uh, which is pretty much everybody that played in the playoffs. Now at number 11, what is interesting is Ole Miss jumps in ahead of a couple of the playoff teams at number 11 and SMU drops to 12. Right. Yeah. Uh, then you've got Clemson, Iowa state, Illinois.
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Alabama, Miami, and South Carolina around, or excuse me, and Syracuse rounding out the top 20. The interesting one there is Alabama being dropped down so low.
00:20:41
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yeah But, uh, I'm sure that's going to cause a lot of, uh, of, uh, more debore haters than, than they're getting right. it's in a to Yeah. Yeah. He's got problems. He's got his hands full down there. He definitely does. Army comes in at 21, Missouri, 22, you know, the 23 Memphis was 24 and Colorado comes in at 25. So. I mean, I think that's probably a fair, a fair analysis. Uh, uh,
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You know, I, I kind of, I do kind of question, uh, Arizona state and Boise state being that high in the top 10. Um, but you know, I guess they went further than the others. So that's why they get there. I yeah i don't know, you know, what the logic was, uh, you know, it's, uh, uh, I do think Ole Miss is a better team than SMU or, uh,
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Who was the other team that fell down there? and wellla you Yeah, I do think that. oh yeah what You know, I don't know. You know, after, you know, this is kind of the way things fell out it. You know, if I was being in the zoo fan, I wish they'd cracked the top 20, but they didn't. But looking at some of the teams ahead of them, South Carolina, Alabama, they both beat my zoo. So, you know, it's just it's hard to complain too much. You know, you yeah.
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Well, I mean, you know, I'm Missouri had a pretty good season. Illinois had a pretty good. So you had a lot of teams that had that good season. Army had a really good season, you know, so they're kind of being rewarded for that. Um, you know, I said, again, I, and you know, I, even as an Illinois fan, I, I, I do think maybe Illinois at 16 and that might be a tad high. Um, but by the same token, they know they did play a fairly.
00:22:42
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Um, they played a medium schedule, I guess is the best way to put it. I mean, you know, they, they faced them some, some, uh, top 25 teams and now. To at least two or three of Nebraska and, and Kansas, uh, and Michigan, all three that they beat were in or.
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Yeah, they beat them when they were in the top 25. And by the end of the season, they weren't in the top 25. You know, it, you know, you make, it makes you wonder there, but, you know, so I can see that, but, uh, but yeah, so that's, that's always kind of fun. Um, I'm not even going to talk about the, the, the, uh, way too early pre-season football rankings. Cause those are, that's a, that's a joke and they that's just the food for fire on the around the water tank. yeah Um,
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So, uh, you mentioned tweaks. What would you like to see tweaked? I mean, we've kind of gone over some of it. What would the, what are maybe the, the, the two main things you'd like to see tweaked about that the football playoff? Well, like we discussed, I wish they'd set up a rating system. Well, I think, uh, any tier, the, what was the other one you said, uh, can palm, can palm for, for the end, you know, take like that way heavy.
00:23:57
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onto the teams that get in there. That would be the one tweak I would recommend. and you know and um Conference champion, maybe not getting an automatic buy. ah You know, just depends who they, who they, I mean, you know, Boise State really shouldn't get one. I'm sorry, but I don't believe they should. ah You know, so, you know, there's the power for conferences. If you win the big 10, if you win the SEC, if you win the ACC or the big 12, yeah, okay.
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Uh, but, uh, you know, when Boise state got that buy, I just wasn't for that. So, you know, I really think, uh, I, yeah, I guess the main main thing that would be just a system set up where the rating system where it just wasn't based on, uh, it just really wasn't based on your conference championship, you know, so. Okay. And, you know, uh, would you also be in favor of say.
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you know, maybe not like you say because they have a week. I think it's a week off the teams to get the buyer. They're like three weeks before they get to play a game um because I think they start this. the they They wait a week after the season is done and then they start to playoffs.
00:25:19
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And I think a lot of us do like army Navy cause they're always one of the last games of the season and they're always kind of outside, you know, maybe adjust the schedule so that you don't have that long delay for those. If, as long as you're going to have four teams with a buy, you don't have that long delay where they're only playing. Maybe, maybe they get a week off and then they've got to play. Yeah. You know, that might resolve itself. If, uh, we go to 16 teams and no one gets a buy.
00:25:49
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right And it's rated on ah yeah and and it's but it's bracketed toward the know the one, the best team in the country goes against the 16th team right in that bracket and and something like that. Then that way no one, everyone has starts the same time and there's nobody, there's not there's not a team that's fine tuned to things that their but that they're they've already played a game and they go in kind of on a roll. Everybody starts out even.
00:26:17
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So yeah that's the way I think it would probably best work out as long as ah because, you know, the bowl games back in the old days, you know, they ended the season used to end on Thanksgiving weekend and then the New Year's Day bowl games. So that was what but was over about over four weeks.
00:26:37
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Yeah, like five, five, six weeks. Yeah, you get that six weeks for you and played. So I'm not sure that, uh, that the time off the way way this thing structured issue was that big of a deal, but it was, um, you know, how state got rolling. Notre Dame got rolling, you know, pretty early. They, you know, you might, you know, there's a, there's a point there, but I really think that could be addressed when they go to 16 teams and I think they will. Yeah.
00:27:02
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Okay. Well, hey, uh, we're going to take a quick little break here for a second. And then when we come back, we're going to talk, uh, some more, uh, some, of some of what's in the news and then maybe hit on a little bit of basketball. See what we think about some of the things going on there. And, uh, we will be right back with the NCAA report.
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00:31:07
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All right, and we are back.
JUCO Eligibility Extension
00:31:09
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Well, ah Russ, we talked earlier before the show about this NCAA decision now, which ah is basically allowing a number of junior college players that are players that went to junior college before going to NCAA schools and extra year of eligibility for next year. Now, the way I read it, it says that any junior college player
00:31:46
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who competed in a non-NCAA school for one or more years and otherwise would have exhausted their NCAA eligibility following the 24-25 season. The case in point that that started all this was Diego Pavia, Vanderbilt quarterback, who filed an eligibility request, I guess, sue actually sued the NCAA in November over eligibility standards, arguing that the organization's rule of counting a player's junior college years against his overall NCAA eligibility violates antitrust laws by restricting the athlete's ability to profit from their name, image and likeness. Well, there you go. There's your, heart there's your rub. It's the, and I rearing its head again. Yeah. um What do you think about this?
00:32:38
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I well, I was a little surprised done. I didn't know that was that was in the. There was something that was in the works or it's being stirred about that junior college players weren't going to get the about junior getting an extra year of eligibility. ah Boy, this NIL thing brought up a lot of raised a lot of different heads. Something keeps popping up all the time. So you know. I guess I understand it. I don't I don't know.
00:33:08
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They don't give them all an extra year of eligibility. I guess that's from here on out. I guess if you're a junior college player, you play two years somewhere in a junior college, you come to the NCAA school year and get three years. I guess that's what that means. so too I guess. ah course, Pavie, if he but played it, you know, as I said, played at Vanderbilt, they joined the Commodores following two scenes at New Mexico state after beginning his career at New Mexico military Institute, a two year junior college. Okay.
00:33:42
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So under the NCAA rules, athletes are typically given five years to play four seasons. Among the arguments in Pavia's lawsuit is that the NCAA unfairly counted his time in junior college, played outside the purview of the organization against his NCAA eligibility, and in turn limited his ability to earn money off the game off the name, image, and likeness.
00:34:08
Speaker
Under the new waiver, Pavia will be granted a sixth year of NCAA eligibility next fall. Uh-huh. Uh, looks like there's, uh, Florida and it says also Florida statewide receiver Malik Benson went to Hutchinson junior college and then played, uh, for Alabama in 23 in the Seminoles this year.
00:34:28
Speaker
Uh, he said he now plans to enter the college or the transfer portal after this ruling to try and play one extra year. Yeah. Um, Tom, I'm an, I mean, I knew mentioned there was some kid from Missouri that they're talking about get get coming back that he thought you thought was his season was over. So yeah, the linebacker, uh, got, they just announced that today and i I didn't pay a lot of attention to it till we talked right before we started recording. and yeah I looked that article up and yeah he got he got an extra year of eligibility so he's coming back next year. um Yeah this is just something else that NIL has brought on and oh yeah it sounds like to me that the NCAA just didn't want to mess with the lawsuit and they just caved.
00:35:17
Speaker
Yeah. didn't say you lost It didn't say that the way on way it doesn't it doesn't mention whether the suit was successful or not. Just says that he sued the NCAA and they just said, they just, they just settled out of court.
00:35:30
Speaker
Yeah, they won't mess with the lawsuit, so this is what they did. You know, and I'm sure Vanderbilt's real happy about keeping that quarterback for another year. I can imagine that. Yeah, he's got his number. See his numbers he threw for he was a 59.2% passer with 2133 yards and 17 touchdowns to four picks. Yeah, and and he was a good he could run. I mean, he was so he was a mobile quarterback. So so um I imagine they're real happy about having him. Yeah. Yeah. yeah you know So that, you know, this brings it up to the, like you said, the name image and likeness is now rearing its ugly head once yet, once again. Um, and I don't know what the answer is. I'm I've kind of tried to delve into this and, and, and some writings and stuff.
00:36:23
Speaker
And I think the only way they're actually going to get control of this, because it's going to have to come via either the, and I, and I say it this way only because it's the truth. The NCAA is going to have to stand up and grow a pair and say, okay, this is how it's going to be done. Or Congress is going to have to step in.
00:36:52
Speaker
Uh, and I'm talking to the federal camp because you've got so many different rules out there from each state concerning NIL concerning what, what goes on and who they can and an athlete's participation. And, you know, there's some, some form of standardization is going to have to take place. Uh, and along with that is going to have to be, uh, some consequences for these guys that are breaking rules.
00:37:19
Speaker
you know, or how much money you can spend because there's big talk of after Ohio State won the, or made, made the national championship game, you know, how much money they spent in NIL on players, you know, versus Notre Dame or versus, uh, some of the other teams. I mean, uh, now.
00:37:40
Speaker
Of course, Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, a number of others spent pretty close to what Ohio State, I think Ohio State spent 20 or 21 million in NIL money. um And I think Georgia was 18 million. um Alabama was summer right through there. of you know So you've got those schools that can spend that kind of money, but then you look at even say it like in Illinois, Illinois only spent half of that.
00:38:10
Speaker
on NIL and you know, now you go the, okay, well, Illinois can only spend 10. Then what can a Dayton spend, you know, what, what can an Arizona state spend, you know? Um, so it's going to be some kind of standardization around this whole NIL thing, or it's just going to end up being a, a quagmire pit that drags, yeah drags, NCAA football into the mud.
00:38:39
Speaker
Well, I've about decided that the NCAA can't do a lot or won't do a lot, mainly because probably every time they come up with an idea, the lawyers tell them, now you're going to get sued on this. and So there needs to be laws, probably federal laws, that they can guide them. And these federal laws will have to be passed and then court tested.
00:39:02
Speaker
to see before this thing settles down. mean I don't know if the Congress will get involved or not, but that's probably what it's going to take. I think until then, it's going to be the wild wolf west. on oh yeah it always will be We're looking at it for for the next few years. I just i just think it's going to take a while for them to sort
Challenges of NIL and Transfer Regulations
00:39:20
Speaker
through all this. Well, and I and i think actually it will end up taking a common, a combined effort between not only the Congress, but the NCAA, but the NCAA is going to have to work on it from the transfer portal aspect. They're going to have to make something in that transfer portal where you're not switching teams just because you can make more money at UCLA than you can Davidson.
00:39:43
Speaker
Um, you know, yeah or something of that nature. So, um,
College Basketball Season Analysis
00:39:48
Speaker
all right. Well, these last 15, 20 minutes we got, um, basketball season is well underway. Um,
00:39:57
Speaker
We've got some teams that are playing, uh, some real, I've watched a few games, uh, not involving Illinois and, you know, uh, college basketball. I mean, it's really, there's a lot of good teams out there right now. And I, I'm not sure how this is all going to shake outcome tournament. I mean, people are saying the Illinois is a a lock for the elite eight this year, or, um, you know, Michigan state's going to.
00:40:22
Speaker
run the table in the Big 10. Uh, I hear a lot of talk SEC wise about Alabama, about, uh, uh, Tennessee, you know, Missouri also is getting mentioned in, in, in places here and there. Um, yeah I mean, well, have you had had a chance to watch much, uh, basketball lately? Well, just, uh, yeah, I've been trying to watch it and, uh, you know,
00:40:48
Speaker
It just, it looks like it's just too early to make much of a call. Um, you know, when you said someone said, Ellen poison and a lead eight block, I don't think there's any locks, uh, on anything. They made, they're probably a lot to get in the NCAA tournament, unless something bad happens and certain teams, but, uh, just following the SEC, they are so deep this year, Don. And, and, uh, I don't, you know, I don't know if I've ever seen an, uh,
00:41:13
Speaker
just following the SEC, like I have, uh, for the last several years, I've never seen it so deep in teams that could, that will probably get in the NCAA tournament. The same time these, they're going to beat each other up between now. And so we'll probably be the say same thing said for the other kind of the big 10 and the ACC. and Well, i right right now, uh, in the top 25 AP.
00:41:39
Speaker
You've got Auburn at number one, their SEC, right? Yep. You got Alabama number four, Florida five, Tennessee six, and Kentucky at nine. So you've got what, four or five SEC teams are in the top 10 in college basketball. Right, right. And I think, I don't know that that'll stay five, but they'll probably stay, they'll probably stay at least in the top 20.
00:42:08
Speaker
I don't know that me a holdout because, uh, there's a long way. We're not even halfway through the conference season yet. Oh yeah. No, it's it's a long way to go. Yeah. sure yeah it's up But what I've seen Auburn is really is for real. Yeah. And I've seen, uh,
00:42:24
Speaker
Uh, and I think Tennessee is to Alabama, uh, probably Kentucky. So I don't know. ah Well, I can attest for Alabama and Tennessee being for real. We played both of them and, uh, we played Tennessee a pretty good ball game. We gave them everything they wanted to handle. Yeah. Uh, Alabama took us to the woodshed. That's for sure. Yeah. And then, oh, and well, even, even old miss, um,
00:42:46
Speaker
We played them in a preseason scrimmage game and they yeah they kind of had their way with us. And as much as people are seeing the NIL and the transfer portal have leveled out college football in where the SEC is not as dominant as it once was, um I think you're seeing the same thing only in reverse on basketball.
00:43:12
Speaker
you know, where the big 10 to big East are no longer the dogs that are, that are sitting at the top of the heap. Well, um and I'll just take Missouri for example, they went on 18 last year in the SEC this year. They're so far, I think they're four and one, uh, three and one, four and one. Oh, let
SEC's Dominance in Basketball
00:43:34
Speaker
me see. I've got them. Let me pull it. Uh, but anyway, uh,
00:43:39
Speaker
And they got a guy that one of their starters is the guy from that started at Duke last year. And he's a transfer portal. I mean, you know, why would you transfer out of the Duke? Well, yeah, that's number one. Yeah. Yeah. Missouri, Missouri sitting third in the sec and never, yeah, you're right. They're four and one in conference.
00:43:59
Speaker
or When they're playing Texas tonight and they're going to yeah, I mean the the transfer portal that didn't skates work just worked out a great for this year so far. It looks like it has. Yeah. oh So, ah you know, yeah, it's it's like I think it's helped the.
00:44:15
Speaker
the SEC and maybe it's hurt the ACC somewhat. Yeah, it's just this transfer portal just evens things out. And I think, you know. Well, the SEC right now has one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 13 teams with 14 wins or more already this season. yeah That's, yeah you just I don't think you see that that often and even in the big 10, you hardly ever see that. Yeah, it's an exceptional, it's been an exceptional year so far for the season. Yeah. um I'm stunned and I think a lot of people across the SEC are stunned, but it's mainly been, you know, one thing they did and Don, I know we're getting off
00:45:06
Speaker
Just on the SEC here, I don't mean to do that. No, that's fine. the Greg Sankey, a few years ago, challenged the SEC to razors raise their thirteen team raise their basketball level, so to speak, to go out and and do something. They went out and hired some good coaches. I mean, there's a lot of good coaches across the league now. I mean, Rick Barnes was at Texas. um you know Bruce Pearl has knocked around Tennessee.
00:45:37
Speaker
ah He was at Marquette. Now he's at Auburn. He got the guy down at Ole Miss. he was He was winning down at Texas and then he got fired down there only because ah but ah of ah he slapped around his girlfriend. Oh, that's never a good thing. Yeah, so they fired him, but Ole Miss hired him right away. Yeah. um You know, and the guy at that what was doing quite well at Florida, he's now at Georgia. So I mean, they're just spread out. Mark Pope, this guy's doing a good job. I mean, so that everybody's at their level on their on their coaching. And in Missouri, got an unknown in Dennis Gates. And he's oh, yeah, he's doing a great job. I mean, so, you know, what can you know, it is that's what's happened. They've upgraded their coaching in those in a lot of those schools. And they're doing it because they got the money from the
00:46:30
Speaker
conference, you know, and so the money's flowing into the conferences and into the schools and they're spending it. Yeah. yeah you're Well, I mean, you by contrast, I said, there's like 13 teams in the SEC that are 14 wins or more. The big 10 has, uh, five with 14 wins or more. Um, where's the AC, the ACC has.
00:46:54
Speaker
only five with 14 wins or more. I mean, you know, like I said, you're right now you're talking, if you're looking at who is the top conference in college basketball, you've got to go with the SEC. I mean, there's just no other two ways about it. You know, I'm looking at, the I'm looking at the big East. There's only two teams there with 14 wins or more.
00:47:15
Speaker
go down to the big 12, they've only got two teams with 14 wins or more. Now there's a lot of teams at 13 and 12, but you know, you get my point is that you're, you're 20 games into the season and you've got ah a ton of teams sitting there with a, you know, uh, 600 record or better. who Yeah. and And the majority of them are in the sec.
Missouri Basketball's Improvement
00:47:39
Speaker
Yeah. Well, the SEC tournament should be fun this year. That's all I can say. Yeah. and Well, I think the rest of your conference schedule is going to be a lot of fun to see who gets up. Like you said, who beats up on who before it's all done. So you mentioned a little bit about Missouri. I mean, um, how are they, uh, how do you think they're, they will end up faring in the SEC. You think they're going to be the right, right now. I think they're third in the SEC. Uh, you think that's a, ah um,
00:48:09
Speaker
Logical or not just theological but ah legitimate right for them in that respect top five. Well, you know, certainly the top half the team I've seen playing. I'm just really impressed with done what they did to Arkansas and they went on the road before that and beat Florida which had beaten Tennessee by 30 points and they'd be Florida there and they just and now they're playing Texas to tonight and it could you know, it could it could be a different story, but They can do a little bit of everything. They can, they can shoot the three-pointer. They can drive to the basket. They can, they're, they're fast. They can create the havoc on the defense and then they can rebound. They're not the best rebounding team in the SEC, but they're a capable rebounding team, which has been a problem in the last couple of years. right So, uh, so they're much more balanced than words. He plays 12 guys pretty regularly.
00:49:04
Speaker
ah He runs them in and out and so it's part of it is the transfer portal. A lot of it is that he brought in the recruiting. He's brought in a good recruiting class and the third thing he's just a good. He looks like he's just a good coach. He's he plays both zone and man to man. He knows how to mix it up to keep the other team off balance. So what I'm what I've seen in these last four games. Uh, you know I yeah.
00:49:31
Speaker
They're going to be, they're going to be, ah they're they'll but at least be in the top half of the conference at the very least. And they may be in the top, like you said, four or five anyway. so i Yeah. And, you know, just to talk about the big 10 a little bit, you know, right now it's, you know, big 10 wise, it's become pretty much at this point, almost just right now, a three team race, Michigan, Purdue and Michigan state.
Big Ten's Competitive Basketball Season
00:49:57
Speaker
They are pretty much the ones that are dictating the the pace, if you will. Michigan State's undefeated in conference, Purdue is seven and one, Michigan is six and one. ah We just got done playing Michigan State, lost a heartbreaker up there at the Breslin Center.
00:50:14
Speaker
um Of course, it didn't help that they took, uh, uh, the, and I'm, I'm, I'm not one that generally cries about the refs. Um, but, um, they took Illinois's hotshot freshman guard, Casper's Jack, a sonus. He played four minutes in the first half, had three fouls, uh, or two fouls in the first.
00:50:40
Speaker
first, uh, four minutes of the ball game, he ended up playing only eight minutes total before he fouled out. Um, and, and this kid doesn't commit the foul. So he's not, a he's not a big hacker. He's not a big charge guy. You know, he's, he's got a lot of finesse to his game. Now they did have another freshman come in, Will Riley, and he lit it up in the first half on Michigan state. And I thought, okay, we've got this, we've got this one. Then he got into foul trouble. Um,
00:51:08
Speaker
You know, so it's going to be one of those conferences. I think that's, it's going to have a lot of issues. Um, you know, I, do I think Michigan is going to, Michigan state's going to stay undefeated? No. Uh, I think they're going to end up losing. They've got, they've, got we've they've got a payback game. They got to come to champagne.
00:51:25
Speaker
uh he he is those not going to get his calls in champagne the way he gets out of the wrestling center i can tell you that right now uh you know produce seven and one which in the conference which i guess is a little surprising to me without zach edie Uh, but they still had a pretty good solid team around him and, uh, you know, and his backup is doing the job that needs to be done. Um, Michigan's always going to be pretty tough. Wisconsin right now is fourth at five and two, Indiana's five and three. Now we just went over there and, and, um, slap them upside the head. Um, and that's the one thing Illinois has been very weird. They'll, they'll win a big game. Um,
00:52:06
Speaker
Um, who'd we take down Oregon? We took down Oregon by 30 some points and then turn around and we lost to, um, by, uh, by five or six. Um, then we went and beat Indiana by 30 some points. And then we lose by ah a couple of points to, uh, Michigan state. Um, you know, I you just don't know what to think of this team. So many new players on it is the biggest thing I think, uh, cause he's got, he had to replace.
00:52:37
Speaker
Uh, well, pretty much everybody, he only had two scholarship players coming into the season after last year, uh, because of the transfers and and NBA and all this. Uh, and the guys he's brought in, I mean, it's there, they're taking some time to gel. And I think a couple of them are still kind of learning their roles.
00:52:57
Speaker
Um, and you know, you've got these freshmen that are, that are, you know, in Will Riley and Jack Asonis and, um, uh, mores Johnson, uh, those guys are trying to make, make a name. Cause they know that, you know, with, even if.
00:53:16
Speaker
The NIL goes the other way, or so to speak, or they have other kids. If other kids go, they need to take take up. Or if it looks like they're not going to play, maybe they're trying to pad their resume for the next school that gets them. In this day and age, you just don't know. But but they're playing they're playing some good ball. They're a scary team. ah They're very scary. I mean, if they are if there's a night that they are hitting their threes,
00:53:42
Speaker
ah just just don't even bother that they will beat you. Um, if they're not hitting their threes, they can go inside and, and, and when the biggest strength, I think on this team is kind of what you've got with Missouri is rebounding. I mean, that's the one thing Underwood this year has been saying is we need to rebound. We don't rebound. We don't win. And I think you've been seeing that in a lot of the games that have been close or they have lost.
00:54:13
Speaker
They've either been out rebounded or it's been very level close to even, uh, games they've won is one of these, is the games they've controlled the boards. So I think that's going to be the biggest thing going forward with this team. How deep can they go? I don't know. Uh, a lead eight run. Yeah. Well.
00:54:30
Speaker
Maybe things go right and they're playing at the top of the if they if they catch fire like they did last year at the end of the season. Yeah, you could see them make a deep run. You could also see him getting knocked out the first weekend. This depends on who they end up facing, I think.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I think yeah. I mean, you know, you just never know.
Unpredictable NCAA Tournaments
00:54:47
Speaker
I mean, we've seen a ah one seed taken out by 15 seeds, so you just never know what's going to happen. now I remember years ago when Illinois, Lou Henson was coaching at Illinois and um they were getting ready to play their first round game and they were talking to CBS was talking to this or one of the networks are talking to ah Dick Vital.
00:55:09
Speaker
And, you know, about his thoughts at the game. And he was just, he was such a big Henson fan. He was all, all, you know, the little dude's going to get it done. And du two it's going to be Pete, you know, all this, all his catch phrases. And he's, then he made the comment, he says, if Austin P beats Illinois, I will stand on my head in studio. And well, Austin, pi Illinois, by like five points.
00:55:33
Speaker
no So, yeah and you know, to his credit, Dick Vital did stand on his head, although they they did give him a pillow and to one person on yeah to help him stand up. But, uh, but yeah, the, the, the tournament is so, so crazy. Um, like you said, you just don't know what those teams are going to be like when they go in, you get a team, a 15 C that walks in.
00:55:57
Speaker
And they are hiring a kite to be there. No, the first of all, so they don't have anything to lose. They play like they, you know, they play. It's just not even funny. I tried, yeah, you know, Mizzou got taken was a two seed about 10 years ago and take it got taken out by 15 seeds. So no, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, no doubt about that. Well, Russ, it's been a
Conclusion and Social Media Links
00:56:20
Speaker
lot of fun. As always, we enjoy this having this time. Like I said, I was hoping to have a friend of mine come on. He does a podcast, an Illinois podcast. I was going to try and get his thoughts on the national championship game.
00:56:33
Speaker
Uh, we'll have to try and schedule him for another time though. Sure. So Russ, as always, where can we find you, my friend? We're on exit FR Robinson, one nine five seven. My, my handle is uncle Frank. And you'll see me popping around the, uh, Mizzou Facebook, uh, Facebook fan group. So anyway, that's, that's where I'm at most of the time.
00:56:54
Speaker
All right. When you can find me on X, uh, TSOTB GCS. Uh, you can also check out the Facebook page, talking sports on the bleachers and get in touch with us there. Or you can go to fuel sports network, where you can also find my other show, the talking sports on the bleachers. You can find the team of rivals with Ron, Pete, and Elliot.
00:57:18
Speaker
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00:57:50
Speaker
Well, for my broadcast partner, Russ Robinson, this is Don Glenn. We wanna thank you guys for hanging out with us, listening to us ramble and rate. And again, we are just regular fans having a good conversation and we hope you enjoy it. um If you do, let us know. If you're you're listening to this on Spotify, hit the like button, hit the subscribe button and we can, that but you'll be notified when we have a new show coming out. And until we meet again,
00:58:19
Speaker
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