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E13: Amsterdam Long Ago
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Not even the most passionate Counting Crows fans may appreciate how important The Netherlands has been for the band.
In this episode, Dutch podcaster Sytse sits down with Eric and Chris to cover all Holland-ish things about the Crows, including Blof's Holiday in Spain, Pink Pop, Adam's backpacking, Dutch Plagiarism, and Heineken Hall.
Our E13 YouTube Companion Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHuwOko4BepIcTT9GaIr1umYVr5DPwpsX
We also review the Crows' 1994 show at the Melkweg in Amsterdam.
https://www.countingcrows.com/show/melkweg-2
Sytse's Nirvana Podcast:
https://open.spotify.com/show/2nqkzMYorR4Wjole8y1Flc
Sytse's Iron and Wine Podcast:
https://open.spotify.com/show/4LSHtidrlIjA94xCyHz0xG
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Transcript
Introduction to the Netherlands Episode
00:00:18
Speaker
Welcome to Sullivan Street, where we are going to have what I would call our first international episode. But first, I'll say a good afternoon to my co-host, Chris Miggs. Chris, how are you? Hey, I'm good. I'm good. And we are delighted to have another new guest. And as I said, our international show where we were going to focus on the Netherlands. So we have what we think is maybe one of the biggest kind of Crows fans in the Netherlands, Siste. Siste, thank you for joining us today. Well, I'm happy to be here.
00:00:48
Speaker
So thanks for having me. So, oh, you're welcome. And it's actually, yeah, we've been wanting to, yeah, I actually have had a lot of thoughts about the Crow's popularity in other countries. I guess we actually have talked about in England and Ireland a bit, but here we go in the mainland of Europe and the Netherlands.
Siste's Journey into Counting Crows
00:01:09
Speaker
So why don't you introduce yourself about how you became a Cannon-Crows fan and why you've been sticking with them?
00:01:17
Speaker
Obviously, yeah, well, maybe it's good to start off that I was born in 1980. So I was like the perfect age, I think, to get to know new music and that always going to stay with you the rest of your life. I mean, it's usually like between your
00:01:34
Speaker
10th and 20th birthday, something like that, that you pick up on stuff that somehow never, never
Counting Crows' Popularity in the Netherlands
00:01:40
Speaker
leaves you. And, um, um, yeah, to me, that was, uh, I must say, uh, first of all, Nirvana. And then right after that game counting crows, because, uh, I don't know, uh, first I was vaguely aware of them. It wasn't like love at first sight. So I knew Mr. Jones, I think because it was on the radio.
00:01:58
Speaker
and didn't really pay that much attention. And then later, when there were already three albums out, I think, um, yeah, I, I, I went back to them and really, really got stuck, got like, um, got like ahold of me. And, um, yeah, something that really helped with that, I think is, um, the, uh, across a wire album, uh, with the one rocking
00:02:23
Speaker
CD and of course the acoustic stripped down versions of the songs, which I actually listened quite a lot to like late at night when I couldn't sleep and stuff like that. So yeah, that really got me interested in the band and wanting to get more and more and more of them.
00:02:43
Speaker
Which we will be doing a deep dive and review of very soon. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the attraction with me, too. I think that, you know, hearing the acoustic version of Mr. Jones sort of like opened up my ears as to like what the band was. And that sort of, you know, you get you kind of get that steps down and you're like, oh, like I've heard these songs, but also there's so much more here. And again, the right age, right. You know, my theory of like, I think you fall in love with this band in college because this is the perfect music for someone who's
00:03:13
Speaker
18 to 20. It's just like, I don't know, there's something about it that it's like, works for people who are older and younger. But like, there is something so perfect about being of that age and just and this music, like kind of pulling you along. So did you heard you heard I know there's there's a big, you know, cover, there's a cover of Good Night Elizabeth, that was very popular in the Netherlands. Had you
00:03:39
Speaker
Was that before you got into the band? Was that part of like your slow drift of getting into the band? It was part of it. I remember that I was still in high school. I was around 17, 18 years old. And a friend of mine said, Oh, well, you know, the Dutch version of Goodnight Elizabeth, you should check out the original version. And I hadn't really.
00:03:59
Speaker
gone to that yet, and then you turn that on, you think, oh, this is something else. So yeah, it really helped. And it was actually done by a duo from the Netherlands, Akta and Munich. They ripped off a Counting Crow song more or less on their first album. But maybe that's something for later. And then for their second album, after they got really, really big in the Netherlands, they did that cover song. So I think that actually helped.
Connections to the Netherlands: Albums and Concerts
00:04:28
Speaker
Um, yeah, draw attention to kind of gross.
00:04:33
Speaker
Was that a single that was on the radio, their Goodnight Elizabeth cover? I don't think so. But they were pretty much everything that they did at that point was getting big. It was it was like, yeah, so young people, everybody wanted to buy the album because it had their breakthrough single on it. So, yeah, people were very aware of it. And also they talked about Counting Crows and how much they liked them and they were inspired by them in interviews and stuff. So that I think that really helped the crows to get like a
00:05:03
Speaker
Yeah, more attention in the Netherlands.
00:05:08
Speaker
You got me you got me thinking that when you're having trouble sleeping at night that the crows acoustics that isn't a bad album to listen to as opposed to I'm not the actual song I'm not sleeping, which will probably put you up and you'll never be able to sleep again. Yeah, it's interesting that that cover is called it's slops off. Is that right? Which is such an interesting thing because it's a very faithful cover and it's a very nice version of the song. But the the linguistic difference, like the
00:05:37
Speaker
It does feel like it loses something, the translation of good night, like it feels like it. Maybe that's why your friend was like, nah, the original's better. You got to hear it. Yeah. Maybe that's hard for me to judge because of course I understand every word they sing. So to you, it most sounds like a bunch of strange sounds, I suppose. But do you think it works, the Dutch version of this song?
00:06:02
Speaker
I think it's it's still it's very I thought they sound great doing that song. I mean, I'm thinking like really just specifically of the the nature of like, the way the words good night hit. And again, maybe it's to my ear, because maybe it like slaps act is just not as comforting to me, maybe because it that that
00:06:21
Speaker
Line is so meant to be this weird like kind of comforting thing so that if it's not If it were anything almost if it weren't comforting to you it you lose some of that impact But maybe that would just be true in any language any translation. Yeah, and of course notorious for having like the heart
00:06:39
Speaker
I can imagine that doesn't sound very pleasing to every ear, but it's something that you could easily say to a child or a loved one before they go to sleep.
00:06:52
Speaker
To me, it's not weird, but I can imagine that your ears should sound different. No, weird, but yeah. And I'll just note that we are going to talk about a few songs and a few videos over the course of the podcast, and I will create a video playlist. And so, for example, you'll be able to listen to the Dutch band's cover of Good Night Elizabeth, etc. So we're going to talk about
00:07:21
Speaker
a couple different things, but one of them, I guess, let's just start off right away, which is that I think there's two, that if you talk to a pretty hardcore Counting Crows fan and you say to them, what connections do the Counting Crows have in the Netherlands? I think there's a couple that come across as pretty obvious.
00:07:41
Speaker
I think the first one actually might be because, for example, we're going to talk about Bluff, but I think some fans wouldn't even know that they're Dutch. They might just know, oh, they're from Europe somewhere. But I think a lot of hardcore Crows fans do know about that live album, the Heineken Music Hall, which we don't need to review today. That might be another podcast, which we will get you on. But maybe for the both of you, say something about it. It was quite a popular
00:08:08
Speaker
I think it sold pretty well, actually, for a live album at that time. And what I kept forgetting, and Chris reminded me recently, is that that recording was kind of a best of, right? That they recorded three different shows. It took some of the best parts. And Siste, you said that you were actually at one of those shows. Yeah, that's right. That's the first time I saw them live. It was 2003, I think, right?
00:08:37
Speaker
And yeah, so it was right in that spot that really got into them. And of course, seeing them live also really helped to transform into a Crows fan. Yeah, they've played at the Heineken Music Hall, which has a different name now, by the way. But still, quite a lot. And yeah, I think they probably picked that spot because they had a
00:09:04
Speaker
Bit of a connection with the dutch audience and i think that's why i picked it and i was very excited to be there. I don't think that i knew that they were recording a live album i just got tickets for a show and then. Yeah when i went there today we saw the cameras and everything.
00:09:23
Speaker
And I was there not for the acoustic show. I think they did one night with just more lay down stuff, if I remember correctly. But yeah, one of my memories is that, I think, Have You See Me Lately was the first song they played. And I was a little bit worried because of that.
00:09:46
Speaker
I mean, starting a show off with a getaway from me, I thought, oh, maybe he's in a bad mood or something. Because that's something else from interviews and stories you got. I didn't really know what to make of, especially Adam. He seemed to be having mood swings, not being very stable, at least in the stories that I heard. So I thought, well, maybe he's not into it at all. And it's just like the first message you get as an audience.
Music Trading and 'Holiday in Spain' Success
00:10:16
Speaker
But it was no problem at all. They played a really, really great show, and it was all good fun. I've never thought about that, because that's a common opener. And I'm sure I've seen them open with that at some point. But that opening with, like, get away from me. Yeah, OK. But when I bought a ticket. Right. Is there going to be more? I don't want to get away yet. And also, I must say, I'm always a little bit
00:10:43
Speaker
Well, maybe you could call it nervous or a little bit, um, I feel a bit of tension before I go to a show. If I really want to see it, I'm always like nervous or am I standing in the right spot? Is it going to be good? Uh, you like a little bit restless right before a show. So.
00:10:59
Speaker
Maybe it was just me. And were you a pretty big fan before you went to that show? I mean, I know you said it helped you, but was it one of your favorite bands even then? And that was, you know? Yeah, I think so. I think so. Or did you become more of a big fan after? Yeah, it's like one step at a time. And going to a show was like a step to get to the next level. I think after that, I got into...
00:11:24
Speaker
There was this trading system online that you could actually get CDs with live shows. I don't know if you can verify this, but I think the band actually facilitated that, that you could trade CDs amongst fans.
00:11:44
Speaker
In fact, almost. They had a website that kind of helped them along. I think there was an official website that was or it was a very well sanctioned website that and I can't think of the name of it right now as well. But I'm with you. That was definitely a thing. Yeah, you got some CDs by the mail. I forgot that if you had to pay for it or whatever, probably, but how it worked. But
00:12:08
Speaker
Well, you had to send blanks, blanks and postage was the thing, right? Blanks, so you had to send them someone a blank CD and enough postage to get the CDs to you. Which I did some, that was also, if you remember, like that's the very beginning of like internet downloads, right? Where like someone would post like MP3s of a show. And so there were a few, and I actually think the Heineken Hall show from 2002 was one of the earlier ones that I remember getting.
00:12:36
Speaker
and just hear it. And again, because I sent it around to everyone. The Heineken Hall show in 2002 was recorded for a radio broadcast.
00:12:47
Speaker
and has one of my favorite versions of Goodnight Elizabeth, because the crowd just like takes it over and like just starts singing, which again, I never had thought like made the connection of like, oh yeah, that song was a hit in the Netherlands. And so the crowd just knows the song and there's sync, but to hear a crowd sing, even on a pristine, it's also kind of cool, but they must've mic'd the crowd well, because it's a very pristine like radio broadcast, but you can hear the crowd perfectly as they're singing Goodnight Elizabeth. And you can kind of hear Adam
00:13:16
Speaker
like adjusting to it because he's not used to a crowd singing along to Goodnight Elizabeth, which I think kind of comes back to the way that, you know, the Dutch and, you know, Netherlands as a whole have had that relationship to the crows where the crowds always do seem to be like kind of pushing them on in a certain way. There's always been, it seems like just a real excitement around the band.
00:13:37
Speaker
from again from our perspective just watching videos you know i haven't been to the netherlands for a show but was that kind of your experience too that the crowd was really kind of like lifting things up yeah absolutely but then again i've never seen the crows outside of the netherlands so i don't know how that works so we have like a
00:13:54
Speaker
We both don't have like the right experience to make like a fair comparison. Then again, it's not like an exact science. But it does make sense that because of the cover version, especially Goodnight Elizabeth got a lot of attention and people were really into that song and started to sing along. And also I think Adam at one point during a show in the Netherlands said that made a comment like,
00:14:24
Speaker
When it started happening for them in Europe, it started happening in the Netherlands first. So I think Heineken Music Hall was one of the first times in Europe, at least, that they could go to a bigger venue, which was a Heineken Music Hall. It was one of the first countries where they got invited for one of the bigger festivals. So they went to Pinkpop. And the cool thing is that
00:14:51
Speaker
Somehow there was something that stayed because they've played the Heineken Hall a lot of times. I've even saw them earlier this year playing it. They're in the top three bands that have the most appearances on the Pink Pop Festival. So yeah, they keep being asked back and they keep coming. Oh, cool. Well, definitely.
00:15:11
Speaker
It's 97 is the first year they play ping-pop and I don't think they play it's not like they're playing Glastonbury that year like they're really like it's ping-pop and then other just shows I don't think they played any certainly if they played another festival in 97 it wasn't as one as big as ping-pop or maybe on that because we watch a difference right
00:15:32
Speaker
Yeah, maybe but yeah the pink pop that video because we watched Eric we watched one of those during the we were doing the round here. There's a version of pink around here from 97 at pink pop or again the crowd is just losing their mind. And it's awesome. It's just a great it's just one again one of the best I think we had it is one of the best versions.
00:15:50
Speaker
Oh, I think so. I might even put that as one of my as one of my personal top if I remember correctly. Yeah, just to give some, we'll talk about Pink Pop some more. It looks like Pink Pop has up to 100, well, you know, 70 to 100,000 that sometimes attend there, at least, you know, I don't.
00:16:08
Speaker
Know how many is next to the stage the Heineken musical I just looked it up is about 6,000. I think there that seems like a nice venue Did you there's just one thing I wanted to say which was that you? You said that oh
00:16:24
Speaker
that you said Adam referred to the, you gave me some notes before the show, and you said Adam referred to the Heineken Music Hall, which has a new name earlier this year when they played there again. Did you want to elaborate on that? Yeah, well, it was just like a funny comment, because the name of the venue changed. And then he said, like, oh, I got the tour schedule. And I said, oh, cool, we're going back to Amsterdam. Oh, this is a new venue. Oh,
00:16:48
Speaker
Very curious, and then he talked about, and when he got there, he said, it's just a fucking Heineken hole. We know this place. So it was more like a funny story about that. Yeah. Okay. So let's go into...
00:17:03
Speaker
where what i would call number two that that and i think most the heart although casual crows fans i think would not know i think if you want to even a sold out venue in the u.s and you just went to people that only see them on tour i think they would not know about this holiday in spain with bluff and even as i said even kind of quote unquote hardcore fans who do know about it
00:17:23
Speaker
they might not know they're from the Netherlands, right? They might, are they German or Finnish or, you know, who knows? But they are from the Netherlands. So one, I do want you to talk about Bluff as a band and how popular they are and how, you know, and how popular that song was. But I did want to, and I went to the, and I had heard this before, but I just went to Wikipedia again right now, just to let the Crows fans know, like, this wasn't just like, oh, Dutch count and Crows fans were excited that,
00:17:53
Speaker
Bluff teamed up with one of their favorite American bands. Like, no, it was a nationally, very popular mainstream song. And in fact, the Holiday in Spain cover with, or not cover, sorry, joint song, I guess with Bluff, hit number one in the Netherlands, was considered the second best, second most popular song in the Netherlands in 2004.
00:18:18
Speaker
um and then uh sold what was number one eric i wish i don't wish i knew i do not know and um and in fact actually hit number 18 in their top 20 songs of the decade in the netherlands and uh and sold quote unquote platinum sales but for those that don't know it's not a million sales in the netherlands it's only you know
00:18:41
Speaker
little less than 100,000. But it was very popular. So did you want to talk about that phenomenon and also just maybe give us some background on Bluff, how popular they were, how popular they are? Yes, well, they are a very well-known band in the Netherlands, Bluff. I must say, I'm not their biggest fan. I mean, they're like
00:19:01
Speaker
an okay band there they're quite notorious actually for their sometimes nonsensical lyrics so of course again that's something that wouldn't bother you of course but uh in the netherlands they sometimes get criticized for that but uh now they're like an okay band to me but in general they are pretty big they're one of the yeah most successful dutch bands um in the netherlands at least of course um of the past uh couple of uh
00:19:27
Speaker
of decades even. In preparation for this podcast, I listened to another podcast, which is all about 30 years of bluff. And it has a special episode about their connection and their cooperation with the Crows. So yeah, they told the whole story there. I have to tell it all.
00:19:50
Speaker
It started off with them being fans. They actually went to see Counting Crows twice before they even were a professional band. And then they were like inspired by them. They also described a scene where they saw the band standing somewhere after a show and they were too shy to ask for an autograph. So I thought it was pretty cute. But later they became successful on their own.
00:20:16
Speaker
And then I think it was a record company who suggested that they should do a team up. And apparently Adam said,
00:20:25
Speaker
that that was okay, but he demanded that they would write some Dutch lyrics for the song because we just another guy singing the original lyrics that wouldn't add too much. He felt so yeah, they did that. And it was like he said, it was like a huge success here. It was a yeah, it was a big, big hit. And
00:20:48
Speaker
You would hear it playing on the radio and, and in the, in the mall, I'm sure the grumpy guy saying, well, I kind of like the original version better, but, um, it's the same with, uh, big yellow taxi, I suppose. Like some people say, well, you know, we don't really need Vanessa Carlton on here, but, um, it's okay. It's always been my understanding that, that, that.
00:21:12
Speaker
The vast majority of Dutch, particularly, I guess, if you're under the age of 40, speak, you know, pretty good English. And so that it must be kind of neat to have, you know, a song, the right half and half, right? Half Dutch, half English. Is that true? Is that stereotype true?
00:21:28
Speaker
on Dutch language ability. Yeah, I think most people are able to understand English lyrics, so that's not a problem. And a bilingual song is like a special thing. I mean, it doesn't happen too much. So yeah, I guess that drew some extra attention to it. But it was mainly the song itself, of course, and the fact that we had these two bands cooperate.
Bilingual Music and Cultural Exchange
00:21:54
Speaker
And again, I think it's very interesting that it was apparently something that
00:21:57
Speaker
went on after that. I mean, at first it was the idea of the record company, but they stayed in touch. They had several occasions that they performed live. Later, Counting Croats featured on a Bluff album. So they more or less did it the other way around as well. So yeah, it's very interesting to see that that also was like a long-term connection that was established and not like a one-off thing.
00:22:27
Speaker
I mean, the other really interesting thing about, I guess too, one is that that single was two years after Hard Candy was released. So there was definitely a lag there. And the other one, as far as I, I mean, Holiday in Spain is a great song. It's now a song that I think most even casual fans know because they play it so much in concert and it is a great song. But also was, I mean, I think what's fascinating about choosing that song for a mashup or whatever is that it was not a single in the US.
00:22:57
Speaker
Yeah, so it's a ballad and I mean, I actually think that version of the song, though, is phenomenal. I'm really a fan of the stuff that Adam does towards the end, like post the last chorus.
00:23:12
Speaker
Yes. You know, making the best of all that's left of me. Like, I don't want to butcher that too badly. But I think that stuff, because I think it's one of Adam's strengths actually is singing like not quite backing vocals, but counterpoint. It's one of the things we talked about, Eric, you know,
00:23:29
Speaker
why I really love so long, so long is the way Adam is singing against him. And what he does there, it's so cool. And again, I don't even really know what Pascal, I sort of have a sense from the original lyrics of what Pascal is singing in the back half. But I think that if you haven't heard it, it's really, really worth seeking out.
00:23:49
Speaker
because it's just, I think, a really cool vocal performance from Adam. And as you said, there's a lot of great... They performed that song live a bunch of times, and they did some joint stuff that's very, very cool. They did some crow songs, some bluff songs. I know on YouTube there's a version of the Smiths. There is a light that never goes out that they did together.
00:24:11
Speaker
It's an, it's an interest. It became an interesting partnership. Um, I will point out quickly that I'm pretty sure the number one song in the Netherlands that year, um, was, uh, dragos ti dente by Ozone. That was number one for like two months straight, but that knocked off holiday in Spain was number one for five weeks in the Netherlands, which is pretty good. I mean, that's, yeah, that's one of the summer song and it's a summer song, which is always the, it's like nothing like nothing like holiday in Spain for
00:24:40
Speaker
A sad song about getting dumped. And of course, by the way, the European nationals can relate to having a holiday in Spain. That's why I laughed that when I heard the song being played in England. I loved it because the Brits are always having their holiday in Spain and getting drunk.
00:25:01
Speaker
So so that was the that's a great song. So I don't know that made me think of that too. By the way, one of the few songs on films about ghosts, I think because of their success that again, it was not an official single in the US but made their greatest hits. And I think part of that was because of the success in the in the Netherlands. But they did put on the original version on that one, right? Yeah, yes. Yeah, exactly. Which makes sense for the international market.
00:25:28
Speaker
Have you gotten to see any of the team ups with Bluff and Counting Crows live over the years? No, never. They didn't do that many, so that kind of makes sense. It's like two or three, it's not a lot. Last time I saw Counting Crows earlier this year, they closed off with Holiday in Spain and they said, well, I really wish our friends from Bluff could be here, but they could make it something like that.
00:25:53
Speaker
So they did refer to them, I haven't seen that. Also because I've never been to the Concert at Sea Festival, which is like Bluff's own festival, more or less. They organize every year, but it's from their region of the Netherlands and that's not really near where I live, so I've never been there actually.
00:26:14
Speaker
Oh, you told us before we started in the two minute pre talk that you had a little fun fact for the Americans, which was that bluff, which is spelled BLO with the line that almost looks like a computer zero F that that letter is not a no, it's not.
00:26:30
Speaker
No, maybe from the dialect of where the Bluff guys are from. But no, I can imagine that if you're from the United States that you think, well, it's probably just like a common Dutch thing to do that. But no, it's not at all. It's just something I suppose they made up.
00:26:48
Speaker
to you know to have like something special in their name like if you see the visual you immediately know oh it's them or or it's from their own dialect i'm good or maybe both that's also possible yeah it's like it's like the dutch version of motley crew oh exactly yeah right that's probably more american right that's the perfect metaphor why is it there's no um it's crew did you see you're just saying crew it's not like there's
00:27:14
Speaker
You know, one thing you said in the opening statement, which was pretty interesting, and I don't know how much we talked about it, but just a little observation I had, which is that I think sometimes when people think of the crows and quote unquote 90s,
00:27:30
Speaker
music and then sometimes, you know, crows get stuck with the label of their acoustic or their folk or folk alt country or whatever. I think a lot of people don't real and oh, if you like the crows, then you like Train and Hootie and the Blowfish and Dave Matthews, which all of that might be true. But I think people don't realize that a lot of kind of crows fans also like a lot of even though they were maybe the trans part of that grunge transition. But a lot of crows fans also liked
00:27:59
Speaker
Nirvana and Pearl Jam and and and and harder music of that time as well so i think you kind of corroborated yeah and maybe that um with your that may sound strange to some people because they're like two different genres but if you compare them to Nirvana they both at least have a um
00:28:16
Speaker
a singer with a voice that you either love or hate. And there's a lot of emotion going on there.
Diversity in Radio and Musical Influence
00:28:22
Speaker
They're always giving it 100%. Some people think, oh, it's it's whiny or just screaming. But if you pick up on the emotion and you can hear them also deliver the melody really strongly. And I think I think that's like a common thing they share.
00:28:40
Speaker
Yeah, and not to go off the side too much, and I could be wrong about this, but I also think that kind of marked near the end of an era, like maybe wrapping up around 2000, where the radio would play maybe a wide variety of the types of songs.
00:28:57
Speaker
in the United States. I know I go to other countries, by the way, like Ireland and Eastern Europe and and Australia, where the top 40 music station will still play a lot of genres, where now it's hyper focused in the US. So yeah, if I went to my college, you know, a friend CD player, you know, have a lot of hip hop and a lot of really hard rock and a lot of softer, whatever. So anyway, maybe that's starting to sound like Adam Eric.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah. No, because he's talked about that because he grew up in San Francisco, right? Like the radio stations would play all these things and you'd hear the Grateful Dead against jazz, against rock, against all these different things. And so his taste is obviously, if you listen to any of his radio shows, his taste is very, very broad. And I think he would have the same complaint that people are too narrow minded about what
00:29:45
Speaker
If you like Counting Crows, you'll like Google Dolls. Like, well, if you like Counting Crows, you might like a lot of different things. Exactly. Which I think is part of. I will actually say I will put it a plug in for if you have Sirius XM, which I know, unfortunately, I don't think they have in Europe. But for those in the US, John Mayer's new station on there of who the band toured with.
00:30:06
Speaker
Called life channel 14 plays counting crows and plays a very wide variety of music It's actually again. One of the reasons I like that station is it's just very Genre agnostic, but then also you drop in Oh, by the way, here's long December up against, you know, a Bonnie rate song up against a Billy Eilish song up again, you know, so John Mayer is trying to bring it back I like counting crows is in the
00:30:33
Speaker
Uh, in the thing. So, yeah, well, yeah, no. And that's, uh, right. The sign of the times. Well, now we have a whole podcast on the kind of crew. So I do. So I don't want to be hypocrite and say that, that, that people are too focused sometimes. Um, uh, just thinking, just one clarification and just cause we probably won't get back to it. When you talked about the one group, what is it? Yeah. The Munich. Yeah.
00:30:53
Speaker
and they covered Goodnight Elizabeth and a lot of people knew that cover in the Netherlands because that album was so popular. Did you want to make a comment or clarify a little more about that they, quote unquote, ripped off part of Murder of the One in one of their songs? And you can pronounce the name of the song because I won't do a chestnut. Yeah, it's called L'Hopentot de Sondent, which means walking until the sun comes up.
00:31:22
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And if you would turn it on and listen to it, you wouldn't pick up on it because the music is totally different. It's like a piano ballad. But the lyrics are...
00:31:33
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roughly 50% of it is a literal translation of Murder of One. And they got called on, how do you say it? Called somebody called out on that. They got called out on that. And then they said on the forum, they said, yeah, we were working on a translation of Murder of One and didn't really finish it. And then that somehow poured into this new song. So that's how they explained it, which
00:32:02
Speaker
very well might be true because they later, they actually did a cover version with a translation. So that's possible, but they should, yeah, they should have accredited Counting Crows for the whole scene, look outside your windows, standing there in the snow. They took all of that. So yeah, I thought it was pretty interesting.
00:32:26
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's cool. I mean, I think stuff like that is cool as, as, again, as long as you give the proper credit and you give them some song, you know, if you're taking like whole chunks of lyrics, like you should, you should give them some writing credit. They said it was like subconsciously they, when they were working on the other song, it slipped into it. Who knows? Yeah. But if it's, if it ends up being subconsciously, but it's half the lyrics, you know. True.
00:32:50
Speaker
I'm sure that worked that out again. And again, I'm sure the Crows made a good bit of money off the cover of Goodnight Elizabeth too. Yeah. And like I said, they always promoted Counting Crows in interviews and stuff. So I think they repaid them at least in that way. Any other memories of seeing the band that you, uh, sorry, if that was, no, please, that's fine. Yeah. Oh, is there any other memories of seeing the band either at like ping pop or other,
00:33:16
Speaker
like any sort of special memories of seeing the band live. Well, the first time always makes the biggest impression. The friend that I went to with, we always, when we talk about that show, we talk about the moment where we were standing at the bar and I said to him,
00:33:34
Speaker
move a step aside and then he did and then I picked up 50 euros which was a fortune when I was a student so we could get extra beer but of course it doesn't have anything to do with the band. Now I just realized I have seen them outside of the Netherlands once at a festival in Belgium but they were programmed very very early on the day so by the time we got to the stage they were already
00:33:58
Speaker
playing pretty much the last song. And I'm always hoping for long December because I think it's their best song in the end. And that was the song they played. So I saw just the one song and it was my favorite. So that was nice. We didn't mention this yet that I did want to talk about Pink Pop a little bit. Have you seen them at Pink Pop at all? No, I haven't. No, sorry.
00:34:26
Speaker
And it's fine. I just, you know, again, I've never even been to any other.
00:34:33
Speaker
And again, just for fans out there that don't know, you can tell us a little background, but it's basically their huge music festival. I'm guessing it's near Amsterdam, but somewhere in the Netherlands. Well, in some people's perspective, everything in the Netherlands is near Amsterdam. You sometimes have a different feeling about that. From American perspectives, yeah.
00:34:57
Speaker
Not really. You could train from there and you'll get there, but it's not like an Amsterdam festival or anything. And is it a multi-day festival usually? It's the whole weekend.
00:35:14
Speaker
Okay, and I'll link one of the videos to the podcast description where I think it's, I forget now, but I think it's a 2003. I think the entire concert is there, or their entire set, which maybe is 10 or 11 songs. But the reason I know about Pink Pop, and actually, to be honest, I used to get confused when I first learned about it.
00:35:37
Speaker
for some reason kept thinking it was in Belgium a lot, even though it's in the Netherlands. Yeah, but it's in the south of the Netherlands. So it's pretty close to Belgium. It's as close to Belgium as it is to Amsterdam. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. And I even mentioned once in another podcast, and actually somebody commented about it on Reddit, is that there's a couple of performances, and the one that really stood out was Miami, but there's other ones. And I think it was all from that show.
00:36:04
Speaker
that i at the time so in two thousand five let's say that was my favorite kennan crows concert and they had a youtube video about it but what i loved is i first of all i thought their energy was great because they had all those people listening but
00:36:21
Speaker
It wasn't just the people, because again, you go to an American outdoor music festival and there might be tens of thousands of people there, but half of them aren't paying attention or half of them don't know the band or whatever. But this one, the crows were playing some of their best songs and the crowd was so into it. And if you look at Murder of One and see tens of thousands of people in 2003,
00:36:46
Speaker
not even 1995, jumping up and down into it. And Miami, which I think is their best performance of Miami ever, partly because the crowd got so into it. Yeah, it used to give me actually the chills. So I don't know if you've, but that's how I knew about Pink Pop. I don't know if you've watched, I'm guessing you've watched most of those.
00:37:02
Speaker
Videos of a pink popper some of them yeah absolutely yeah and in the nineties when i was a teenager it was it was kind of like a thing that's when pink pop was on a lot of shows were broadcast on tv so we got together with friends and hang out and check out the performances so yes hearing myself saying this i'm thinking why did i ever go there
00:37:28
Speaker
I've been to other festivals and shows and stuff, but somehow never went to ThinkPop. Maybe because it's like the most, quote unquote, mainstream festival that we've got here in the Netherlands. May have something to do with that, but yeah, no, absolutely. They did some really, really great performances there. And yeah, they made quite an impression because they got asked back a lot. So that's why we have so many ThinkPop performances.
00:37:57
Speaker
There's at least four, right? Yeah. Right. Because it's 97, 2000, 2003, 2008 off the top by head there. Maybe there's one more that I'm forgetting. Yeah, there's some more recent ones as well. Ask back. Okay.
00:38:12
Speaker
OK, cool. Yeah, as I said, there's nothing because, you know, we probably won't see that. Right. Because the crows, even in their, you know, hey, they didn't usually sell out large large state football stadiums or anything
Adam's Personal Ties to Amsterdam and Dublin
00:38:24
Speaker
like that. So just just to see so many things about and then right in a country that they were not from to be that passionate and that into, as I said, always just for somehow there's like a spark between the audience and the band that's like.
00:38:39
Speaker
exam both arms, something like that. Because I thought it was really funny that you said that, oh yeah, here in America, people don't pay attention and stuff like that. I actually heard about the term the Dutch disease, which is people talking during a concert. So I kind of thought that it was like a bad habit from the Dutch, but hearing you saying this, maybe every country thinks that of themselves, like,
00:39:09
Speaker
Yeah, so some more that some more than others. I think no, but that may be true because I think Americans think it's like, oh, frickin Americans, the people again, I think it gives maybe and again, because we're seeing we're also seeing, I guess, Eric, right? We see the giant crowd, but we're seeing the front of the crowd that's very excited. But there may be some assholes in the back.
00:39:27
Speaker
you know, that are, although they did, although they did the shots that used to give me the chills, they actually did some sweep above the entire crowd with some kind of during some of the, the, the, the really passionate part. So of course I'm focusing on the people jumping, not the people sitting down, but yeah.
00:39:45
Speaker
So okay that's that's that's great so those were the main things and i did what before we get to some of the actual we're gonna talk about a particular show and maybe a couple other videos that you want to highlight. But i did also we can't mention the cannon crows and netherlands without mentioning that there is a song called.
00:40:06
Speaker
on a Tuesday in Amsterdam long ago, which you correctly pointed out, and I have to admit, I did not really know, for example, two years ago, but I did know a year ago that half of that song, if not more, is focusing on Dublin.
00:40:24
Speaker
But the the name, you know, has Amsterdam in it. Did you have any comment about that? Yeah, of course. It sticks out to me as a Dutchman. I also think it's a good song and I really had to think of it because when I listened to an early show of County Crows, which we're going to talk about later, Adam tells the story that he
00:40:47
Speaker
went to Amsterdam to quit music a few years earlier. And he said something like, but that didn't work out, so now I'm a professional singer. So I don't really know all the details about it, but I thought it was interesting. I guess that's what the song is about, that he went there maybe trying to start something else, maybe have a loved one there. I'm not 100% sure.
00:41:13
Speaker
I'm not sure it is he's because he sort of said at some point that that song is like a counterpoint to accidentally in love that they were written around the same time. And that he like accidentally love is the happy song about being in love and on a Tuesday in Amsterdam is like about like what if it
00:41:33
Speaker
goes wrong, which of course it did, because it's Adam Derretson. There'd be no albums if things had gone right. But yeah, so I think it's about really just about being in Amsterdam and having these feelings. And I guess maybe the girl, maybe it's about Gemma Hayes, because we talked about going to Dublin, because she was Irish. Maybe she's the subject there. I've never actually thought about that part.
00:42:01
Speaker
Yeah, I am serious about why both get mentioned. And as I said, which is so silly, because I rip on other, as you say, you would appreciate that, you know, Americans geography skills are often very much lacking. And I like to be very critical of other Americans. But then I had no idea that Stevens Green was even I'd heard of it so much. I never actually knew it was in Dublin until I visited. I was like, Oh, yeah, I forgot.
00:42:27
Speaker
I googled it myself as well, but I was pretty sure that it wasn't in Amsterdam and it wasn't in the Netherlands. So I thought, why is he mentioning this place? That's how I knew that it was in Dublin actually. And of course he mentions the city as well. Also, I think he premiered the song during a show in Rotterdam.
00:42:45
Speaker
Uh, which is kind of funny because those two cities are like the biggest rivals in the Netherlands that you can think of. So I can imagine that some people in the crowd didn't really appreciate it that he started to sing a song about Amsterdam in Rotterdam. But, uh, this is ironic, right? Cause yeah, that there's that song had circulated like four years before it came out and it's from a version of performance 2004, but in Rotterdam. Yeah.
00:43:13
Speaker
Just, I guess he was just like feeling the Netherlands, not, you know, hopefully he didn't get, they didn't throw things at him. No, it's not that bad. Probably most people in the crowd, well, pretty much all the people in the crowd are a fan of the band. And also they probably didn't all come from Rotterdam. They probably came from all over the country to see them. So it's not a big thing. I just thought it was funny that they maybe expected just a little bit more when he announced the title.
00:43:40
Speaker
People going crazy. Yeah, it's our city. Well, maybe not that much.
00:43:46
Speaker
It is interesting. And as I said, it was actually a joy. But when I was in Dublin last year for the first time, and it is funny that I don't know, I guess you could do a kind of crows, you know, I don't know, world travel or go to that, you know, go to Omaha, just because he sings about Omaha. But I did laugh that I was like, I can't even go to a park here without without thinking about it. And it's so depressing, too. And I was walking by myself, I think, at night the one time and I was like, here I am going through Stevens Green and kind of melancholy, just like maybe Adam was at South White.
00:44:16
Speaker
Yeah, I think you're supposed to be I think I think you were matching the tone of the song. And by the way, did you? Did you? You know, we'd like to hear when the themes come up in in curious crow songs. It's not exactly. But one thing that always caught me about that song is that they mentioned about things being on a it's not across the wire, but they mentioned about strung on a wire and a girl on a wire. So just I guess a wire reference, because I don't hear about wires mentioned in a lot of songs. So the circus right connection always hit me too.
00:44:43
Speaker
Yes, yeah. So I guess we could go into, so I guess I hit the, I think we hit the main topics that we wanted to cover about why a lot of Crows fans connect the kind of Crows to the Netherlands.
1994 Amsterdam Concert Review
00:45:00
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I did want to talk about, and again, I'm going to have a playlist, or I already have a playlist on our YouTube page,
00:45:07
Speaker
Before we review this 1994 show, the videos that we're gonna put on the playlist is on a Tuesday in Amsterdam. That's Slopzak Elizabeth, the Goodnight Elizabeth cover. Around here at Pink Pop, you mentioned, did you wanna, which Chris is right, we talked about this in the Around Here episode. One that I did not know of, so thank you for sending it to me, Sista, is that with Bluff, they did a Sullivan Street joint song.
00:45:36
Speaker
Do you want to comment on that? I think it's an awesome version. And like I said before, I'm not the biggest Bluff fan, but I think this really works very well, especially because it's a little bit more upbeat. And the two guys are singing together.
00:45:52
Speaker
Looking off on each other I think that works really really well so I thought I'd throw that in there also because I figured that most people probably wouldn't be familiar with it so and I think it's a very different take of the song so it's bringing something new to the table.
00:46:13
Speaker
So thank you for sending that. And one more, did you want to comment on the, what is it, went in on September with Bluff? What is that? Yeah, that was actually like a holiday in Spain in reverse because this time they worked together on a Bluff song. Oh, okay. Like a project where they would travel all around the world.
00:46:36
Speaker
All around the world and work with local musicians and when kind of close guys heard of that project they said oh then you should come to New York and we can record together so they spend some time there. So it was them contributing to a bluff song.
00:46:52
Speaker
And another interesting aspect of that, of course, is that it's called Venom on September. So it's like I have to get used to September and I immediately think, OK, so first we got August and everything after and now you're making a song about September. Right. And then the most popular song or one of the most popular songs about along December. So we would like to complete the calendar at some point. Yeah, there's only like nine to go.
00:47:20
Speaker
Chris, did you want to quickly, then we'll get into the 1994 show, did you want to mention about some of the other videos that we are going to add to the Sullivan Street playlist for this episode?
00:47:31
Speaker
Oh, I think we're going to try to put together all the things that we've been talking about. I feel like we've dropped in a few things about Bluff and Holiday in Spain and some of the collaborations and things like that. And I found that video you were talking about, Eric, that the Pink Pop 2003, which I've seen as well, is tremendous. Every Crows fan should watch that whole show. It's fantastic. So yeah, we'll kind of get it all together. So anyone who's listening to this and is like, I want to go do a deep dive on some of the stuff you're talking about, we'll have it all there for you.
00:47:57
Speaker
Okay, great. So, to wrap up the show, let's spend a little time talking about what the Siste recommended to us as one of his favorite Count and Crow's Dutch bootlegs, which I'm guessing you were not at the show. And I think we said it was 1994. And then you can pronounce me, what is it, the milk vag? Is that?
00:48:22
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's close enough. Is that the name of the city or the venue? The venue. Okay. Yeah, it's an Amsterdam. Okay. So the the translation Eric is Milky Way. Is that true? It's the Milky Way. Yes. Oh, cool. Did you so so any so we'll go through some of the observations about that show. But overall, one reason what? Yeah, did you want to preface this step?
00:48:49
Speaker
Yeah, well, when I knew that I was going to be on your podcast to prepare myself, I went to crosstown.com and I checked out every Dutch show I could find and listened to those. So that's what I did. And this is one that stood out for me because it's like very early in their career. I thought that was interesting. It's in a small venue and the sound quality is amazing, I think, for the bootleg. So it sounds really, really good.
00:49:18
Speaker
And in general, you can really hear that it's a really, really good show that the audience is into it. You hear them cheer for an encore. Two encores. Yeah, two encores. Yeah, you're right. So yeah, this one is one of the shows that stood out to me. Also because they played quite a lot of slow songs.
00:49:42
Speaker
But it never gets dull or boring or it doesn't feel like it has a low energy. It's just more of the slower songs. So I thought that was very cool as well. That was one of my comments, particularly near the end. Right. It wasn't like they just had a little acoustic part in the beginning or the middle. Even at the end, near the end of the show, there was a lot of slower versions. We'll talk about that. And I guess not surprisingly,
00:50:06
Speaker
they played good night, which might've been, was that the lead off song, Chris? Good night Elizabeth. So that kind of, and that was before it was released on recovering the satellites even. Yeah. Yeah. This is a bit well before. Yeah. It's, it's on the, cause we're on the first tour at this point. This is actually, it's kind of an interesting,
00:50:23
Speaker
story with this tape. Well, it's not that interesting a story, but this show wasn't circulated until and I actually went on crosstown. It was like until 2008, someone just kind of showed up on crosstown and was like, hey, I've got this soundboard of a show from 1994 that someone gave to me and I was just transferring it from tape to
00:50:43
Speaker
CDR and I figured I should share it with people and everyone kind of freaked out and was like, Oh my God, there's a 1994 soundboard we haven't heard. Um, so yeah, I remember like hearing this show for the first time and it's because it's a, it's a great, it was such a surprise to have it. As you said, the sound quality is incredible because it's a beautiful soundboard tape. Um, and
00:51:03
Speaker
The band is great. They're awesome. It's an awesome night for them. And the crowd is so with them. Because I don't think two encores was a normal thing for them. Maybe one at that point they were used to. But you can tell because what they end up pulling out is Wiseblood, which is not like, if they were going to play that song, that was not an encore song. I think they were out of songs. I think that was like, well, if we're going to encore, I guess we've got to pull out one of the covers because we're out of stuff.
00:51:34
Speaker
That's pretty funny. Besides the slower songs, and I had this mentioned on a couple and you can, I mean, we could go song by song or we could just talk about some of our general observations. Besides the slower versions, I thought that a lot of the songs, I was really impressed. It seemed like they had the extra parts, I guess, right? I thought of more Fuller's, Goodnight Elizabeth. I guess more guitar effects on some of the, on the Sullivan Street, clearly that was near the end. There's just some extra instruments and extra playing that,
00:52:04
Speaker
that I had not heard, time and time again, I put a note that there's some extra guitar sound effects. Mr. Jones, I said that I could notice the bass more. Although in that one, I thought, well, maybe this was also because they didn't have the three guitars in the front like they do now, right? So maybe Matt got a chance to stand out a little more. Chris Serastista, any other observations? I will say it is.
00:52:29
Speaker
You know, not just because this is the name of our show. It's a great version of Sullivan Street. Yes, really. And I feel like I've seen that heard recently. I feel like I've been looking to itself around that time. And I think they were they were playing that song well around this time.
00:52:42
Speaker
It's a really beautiful version of that song. He's really getting it out of him. And it's gripping. It's really something. It's really worth going out of your way to here. And it's available in the Crows Town Archive. I think that's exactly the kind of stuff that the audience responds to, like being into it yourself, committing to the song, delivering it with all
00:53:09
Speaker
Yeah, with so much dedication to the song as well. And I think that's where the energy comes from and that's what they get back from the crowd. So I think it really stands out. Yeah, I said that. And that's how you get people to ask for a second encore that you don't have prepared.
00:53:29
Speaker
that that's true. No, I heard. Yeah, so I did an Anna begins. I heard Charlie's work more than I usually do live. And I already mentioned some of the others like Mr. Jones, I heard the bass more ghost train, I still have never seen live. So I I just I thought that was a great version. I made a joke here, Chris, that I wasn't going to comment on around here, because we've already talked about around here live too much on
00:53:51
Speaker
So a whole episode about it. This is good, but there's not much. There's not a lot to talk about. No, it didn't stand out compared to the other top 10 or whatever. We came up as he said that we mentioned the one thing that you had kind of said where that at one point he talked about he was going to quit music. And as you said during his
00:54:11
Speaker
I guess somewhat infamous, only because I've heard him mention it on a couple interviews about that backpacking trip where he was kind of thinking, what did he want to do after the backpacking trip? Did he want to try music again? Did he want to give up and do something else? I think it's also the trip where he met Anna from Anna Begins. It did remind me, though, actually, of the interview last week with Matt Malley, where he said he was close to himself thinking about whether he wanted to kind of give up on music and have a, quote unquote, traditional career.
00:54:39
Speaker
One thing interesting for both of you, did you also catch where someone, well with Omaha, that was earlier I think, someone was yelling about Omaha and then Adam said, okay, someone requested it, so here it is. Although anybody who knows the kind of crows, they would never play a request like that. They always have their set list, and it was fun for him to say that though.
00:55:02
Speaker
Or maybe someone from the audience somehow could have a look at the set list and help them out a little bit. Someone also yelled, and again, I didn't write, which made me think of the next one where someone yelled out about perfect blue buildings and then he played that next, which again, either someone had the set list or they're just a very lucky guesser about what might. Well, there's only so many guests. It was easier to guess at that point. There were only so many songs. That's true.
00:55:30
Speaker
You know, the one thing that stood out with Omaha was actually that this might and I know that there is other older versions. I haven't listened to as many older bootlegs, but that's one of the few because Emmy wasn't touring with them at the time, right? So you didn't have that little mandolin Emmy strumming section of Omaha. So, OK. And then Marjorie Murder One was, as I said, I've never really heard a slow kind of version of Murder of One. I wouldn't call it acoustic necessarily, but
00:56:00
Speaker
Definitely is unique compared to the other murder ones, which are high energy, close to get everybody jumping up and down.
Sound Quality and Unique Sessions
00:56:07
Speaker
And that really fits the vibe of the rest of the show, I think. Yes. I mean, it would be weird to have that kind of energy going on and that kind of dynamic with the crowd. And then at the end, it's like, everybody get up. I mean, it wouldn't make sense. So yeah, I think that's...
00:56:24
Speaker
And thinking about those encores, I also think that nowadays you would always keep a hit song in your back pocket. But of course, back then, they didn't have that many. So that's why they probably had to go for Sullivan Street first. And then, like you said, Wiseblood, like, okay, we need something else to play. Let's throw that one in.
00:56:47
Speaker
So at that point, they played basically the entire five, six, seven, eight, not. Yeah, they played other than reigning in Baltimore. They play the entire first record. And Sullivan Street was the last song they had in the quiver from the first record. Oh, OK. And then, of course, they played not, of course, but they played Marjorie. It is fun now hearing those old shows where they played unreleased songs. It's always kind of a treat to hear that. It is also great. The one thing about the 94 shows that's really interesting is that
00:57:16
Speaker
If you just looked at the set list, you'd kind of go, well, that's going to be kind of the same show. It's like they've only got so many songs. Yeah, they've got these unreleased songs that kind of pepper in and some of them have been released now, but.
00:57:28
Speaker
You write those, he'd say like the way they play the songs is so different on that tour from night to night. They'll just kind of, Adam kind of feels like he's like emotionally moving the band in directions that, so yeah, you might, it might be the exact same set list the next night, but they might've played it a bit more straight ahead. Whereas tonight they're like, no, I'm grinding this to a halt. Cause that's what I feel and it's going to be slow and it's going to kind of, so there's this kind of cool thing where these songs,
00:57:58
Speaker
sound and I think it's one of the reasons again why the band became a band that people taped and traded and stuff is that it was like It might not sound again. It might be the same song, but it's gonna kind of sound different the next night You know even be even beyond like that. They were gonna play alts or things like that It was just it wasn't just gonna sound the same every night And it's just interesting to hear that and this is a great tape and I'm also pointing out to Eric that you know the
00:58:29
Speaker
I think one of the reasons you're hearing different things is that there's not that many soundboard tapes in this tour. There's some, and there's some very good audience recordings, but you're listening to a board mix and it's kind of probably helping you pick up
00:58:42
Speaker
different things that you wouldn't have heard if you were listening to an audience tape of the show. And even the most of the things that we have that are better are like radio broadcasts or TV broadcasts, which are still going to be different than like just a tape off the board where it's kind of based on what the guy was mixing and was not really being mixed for people to listen to afterwards, probably.
00:59:04
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting. It's one of the fun things about that is you get the different things you can kind of hear depending on what's up in the mix and down. Yeah, exactly. Sista, did you have something you wanted to add earlier?
00:59:17
Speaker
No, I kind of forgot already. I wanted to say something, but my mom always said that, well, if you've forgotten it already, it probably wasn't important. And I think I agree. I saw on, there's a service on, I think it's related to Amazon. Now I'll try to look it up again.
00:59:37
Speaker
on their streaming TV where you pay extra and you can get some concerts and stuff. But there are two Cannon Crows ones they have. Oh, you wanted to talk about that, Chris? No, I'm with you. I can't believe I'd forgotten about this. But the two Cannon Crows ones they have are both in the Netherlands, right? The ones in 97 and ones in 99, if my notes are correct. It's a Dutch TV show, right? Like the two meter sessions or something like that? Yeah. And I've never watched them, so.
01:00:07
Speaker
So I guess the two meters sessions which are called that way because the host was a quite a tall guy of two meters.
01:00:16
Speaker
They have an excellent catalog of great artists that they had coming over to do a session and mostly more stripped down versions. I'm always a smoker for stripped down versions. That's why the second disc of the Across Wire album really pulled me in, I guess. It's called the Coda Collection on Amazon and it's a subscription base. I don't know what the price is. I think it's like a few bucks a month.
01:00:45
Speaker
$5 a month. But if you join, you can go and watch the two Cannon Crows specials, which are about 30 to 40 minutes each. They're not super long. But it's funny that both of their specials on this CODA sessions are both recorded in Amsterdam. Yeah. And those used to be on YouTube, but then Amazon put them out. So they
01:01:06
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asked those videos that I think were on my channel. What I will recommend from that is there's a really cool version of A Long December from the 97 show where they kind of finished up and they hadn't played it and Adam ends up playing that song by himself at the piano. It's a really unique and kind of beautiful version of that song well before he kind of was doing those like solo type things. So that's one reason if you want to throw five bucks to
01:01:35
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our corporate overlords, Amazon. For one month. Just for one month. And there's some other good stuff on there, too. But both sessions are worth seeing, I would say. But the 97 one has the most special version. 99 one has a really good version of the Graham Parsons song Return of the Grievous Angel. Otherwise, it's, again, stuff from that tour. And again, it's good. Both are recommended.
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Thanks, Sista, for giving us a little background. But you're right, it says here the two-meter sessies, or sessies for sessions they were saying. But yeah, we wouldn't have guessed the two-meter, although as somebody who actually studied some of this stuff I know, I guess it still is the case.
Other Music Podcasts and Conclusion
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I know it used to be that the Dutch were the tallest, or are the tallest people in the world.
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Overall, I think so too. Well, we like to think so ourselves. I don't know if they still are, but I know. Yeah, at least we rank pretty high. I think that was it from my list. There was one video I wanted to, one last video, I'm going to have the playlist that I wanted to mention. I just wanted to know why you suggested it. I think maybe because you saw it live, but you can tell me that you also had Colorblind from Amsterdam of last year.
01:02:48
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Yeah, that's right, because I thought it was this year, so it's not the same performance. But when I went to the show this year, I thought Colorblind was the highlight of the show. And I also was very pleasantly surprised by the suite, as you called it. But yeah, I just thought, well, maybe that's a good thing to share as well, that I thought that this year when they played the
01:03:16
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Heineken Music Hall that Colorblind was absolutely, to me personally, was like the highlight of the show. Okay, thank you so much. Nothing special with that version that I sent in. I just couldn't find the version from this year. So that's why I took another one.
01:03:31
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Well, in my very quick unscientific look, Siste, we'll end with this, that according to my quick Google search that the Dutch are still the tallest people in the world, but their average height is slightly decreasing over the last couple of years. I could feel it happening even during the recording. Well, there you go. Well, thanks so much. Do you have anything you want to plug? Did you tell me that you also have a podcast in the Netherlands?
01:03:56
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Yeah, that's right. Well, actually, it's an English podcast. So if you're not too annoyed with my accent, then you might want to check it out. I've got one about Nirvana, simply called the Nirvana podcast. And I've got one about iron and wine, which is also about music, of course. It's called
01:04:15
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Iron and Wine, my wife and I, where I made my wife promise to listen to every single Iron and Wine album. And then we discussed it afterwards because I'm a very big fan and she's not so much. So that's how we set it up. That sounds good. I actually saw Sam Beam for the first time just a couple of weeks ago at a benefit thing in New York. And I only saw him play for like 20 minutes, but it was terrific. He was fantastic. And
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Yeah, I'll say that he was great. He played, because it was just in December, he played, he said, I'm sorry, I've got nothing but Christmas songs for you. And so he played the beginning of a Christmas song into all of the songs he played. So he would do like Little Drummer Boy into an Iron and Wine song. It was very, it was terrific. So maybe I'll check that one out. That sounds really interesting.
01:05:07
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Yeah, yeah, definitely check it out. And I also want to thank you guys for doing this podcast because I love podcasts and I love music and I feel that every band that I'm a fan of deserves an own proper podcast. And now at least I don't have to make a kind of podcast. So thank you so much for taking all the.
01:05:23
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this work out of my hands. And also, thanks a lot for having me on. Thank you. You're a fantastic guest. You provided some information that we didn't know. And then of the things we did know before, you provided great context and the local perspective, which you just can't beat. And I've never been to your country, but I told you, I hope to be there in a couple of years. Maybe they'll even be touring there at that time.
01:05:46
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So thank you so much. And we will at some point over the next couple of years do actually a deep review and want to give more information about that Heineken CD because there's a lot there. I think there's some special performances and it's interesting that they recorded the three shows and maybe we'll see if there's any songs that they left off that they shouldn't have.
01:06:10
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And as Chris said, there's actually, you know, I guess somewhat bootleg. There is video footage of that because that was supposed to have video footage. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll talk about that. Yeah. But they just weren't happy with how the video footage turned out. Right. Something like that. Not to release that. So when we do that, we will definitely have you back on the podcast. So thank you. OK. Well, I'd be happy to join or or help in any other way. Just just let me know.
01:06:37
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