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The Epstein Of It All
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Josh and M discuss some Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories, and what the Epstein Files might mean for conspiracy theory theory overall.
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Dread in Global Politics
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Impact of Geopolitics on Travel
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more. Cue the
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The Podcaster's Guide to the Conspiracy, brought to you today by Josh Edison Ian Dentis.
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Hello and welcome to the Podcaster's Guide to the Conspiracy in Auckland, New Zealand. I am Josh Addison in Guangzhou, China. They are Associate Professor MR Extentive.
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When last we heard, you ah you were in the same country as me and now you're not. How did that work out? How how did certain um geopolitical happenings affect your international travel?
Strategic Travel Routes and Rising Costs
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So i left A, before the fuel crisis became a major issue, because I imagine that's putting the price of flights up dramatically around the world. And B, flying from Auckland to Guangzhou did mean avoiding many sites of war along the way. It's almost the perfect pathway to avoiding global conflict at this time. So getting a here was not an issue. But as I was talking about with a friend last night,
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getting back at any point could start to become quite problematic because those fuel costs are going to drive an increase in air flight prices. And those air flight prices are going to mean that fewer people are going to travel and God knows what things are going to look like in a year's time.
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Although I understand China is leading the world in solar power and electric vehicles, so they just need to invent some electric passenger planes. I believe they there is work going on for battery-powered planes, which is going to be interesting because, as you know, you're not meant to take lithium batteries into the cabin of an aircraft. When the aircraft itself is a giant lithium battery, will that still apply? i don't know, Josh. I'm not paying the big bucks. No, no. Well, that's for the future, when this episode, of course, is very much about the now.
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Um, or, or the couple of weeks ago, i guess. Um, it's, it's been a few weeks, what with your travels and all of that business since we've had a proper episode. So I'm pretty sure at the time we last recorded an episode, Epstein-y business was starting to happen, um,
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This is our first first chance to really have a good talk about it.
Epstein Files and Government Leaks
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And our timing is kind of good because the Department of Justice in the United States it said, that's it. There are no more Epstein files to be released. So what we have is technically all we're going to get. Now, that doesn't mean that more files won't get released because some of the files were, of course, leaked by Democratic members of Congress before the official release by the Department of Justice in the United States. There's also the distinct possibility that the investigations of Peter Mandelson and Andrew Mountbatten in the UK may lead to the disclosure of more information because the government of the UK is likely to be asking the Department of Justice for additional files relating to Andrew Mountbatten and Peter Mandelson.
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And if that ends up being in a court of law and being made public, more files might be released. But at the moment, according to the Trump administration in the US, the files we've got are the only files we're going to get.
YouTube Strategy and Engagement Challenges
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Right. So then now's the time to talk about them. Although beforehand, I suppose we should... um do it do a little bit of a bit of housekeeping. First of all, i understand the plan is that this this episode is going to go up on YouTube? Yes. So I received an email earlier this week from someone from one of those SEO companies that's always trying to upsell you on, our service is great, why don't you have as many listeners as you want? And the trick is we don't want listeners. We've been actively trying to destroy our listenership base for years now. So these emails don't mean anything to us.
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But it was pointed out in this email that we don't have a YouTube presence. And so our new goal, our agenda for the next year is to build a YouTube presence up and then slowly destroy that as well. So this is going to be an episode which is available as a video. We would recommend...
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Also, I'm sounding all emotional here because I have a something stuck in the back of my throat, but it is making me sound as if this is the most important thing I've ever talked about, Josh. It sounds so emotional now as I'm trying to swallow something that's making me go, ah.
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We are going to put the episodes up on YouTube. They will not be edited to the standard you expect compared to the audio version of the episode. If you think the audio episodes are not edited well, just watch the YouTube ones. Just watch the YouTube ones. See what is left in. The awkward pauses, the the verbal tics that we edit it out. So yes, these will be going up on YouTube. If you want to watch us...
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watch our lovely faces online, it is going to be available. Yeah, now I should say we we used to have a YouTube presence. In the early days of this podcast, we did. M Wood would edit the audio version and then I would edit the video version and chuck it up on my YouTube channel.
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And it it fairly quickly proved to be not worth the effort because compared to the amount of people who were listening to the podcast, the numbers, the the views we'd get on the YouTube episodes were tiny except for one.
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and we'll get back to that soon. We will get back to that. so so Possibly our biggest episode ever? Possibly. but um but but yeah, but but so one one one particular episode aside, it it became...
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clear eventually that it was just not worth the effort of um of editing and and putting up a youtube every time so now we're going to go for a halfway solution where we are putting up an episode on youtube but we're not going to put any effort into it whatsoever i mean they'll be i mean there'll be a modicum of effort there'll be we'll we'll stick a title yeah we'll put the music in for the intro and the outro but basically is all you're going to get yeahp um so So yes, if if you're listening to this in in your usual podcasting listening apparatus and you'd like to see Alpha, you'd like to to watch me drinking this cup of yellow liquid that might be Mountain Dew, might be something else. Although given the amount of Mountain Dew you drink, it could be something else and it would look exactly like Mountain Dew. You could be a Fremen and you're just recycling your Mountain Dew and drinking it again.
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Yeah, I get one of those still suit things. It'll be great. ah Yeah, so that's that. The other bit of housekeeping is now I'm very old. Em, you're very old, but not as old as me, but I'm very old.
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ah Old enough that the webcomic project I had when when when I was young and the stars still shone brightly in the skies turned 20 years old this month.
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And I thought a
Revival of 'Monkey Fluids' Webcomic
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fun thing could do to do would be to start doing it again. So I have. So that's – I'm always a little bit hesitant to to spring on people. that The name of it is a webcomit called Monkey Fluids. Now, if you know me, if you follow me on any social media, if you see my email, you know monkey fluids is ah is a phrase I use a lot.
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I found springing it on people unannounced – can raise eyebrows. But um if you go to monkeyfluids.com, you will see for a limited time only brand new comic thingies by me. it's it's that When I say comics, I did the old thing of of taking old-timey pictures and putting amusing and irreverent captions on them. I wasn't the first to do it. I wasn't the last to do it, but I did do it, and it was fairly well received.
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And I'm doing it again. He is doing it again, and he's doing it with Guston. Yeah. So that's my plug, monkeyfluids.com. Go have a look. Right. think that's the I think that's the housekeeping out of the Yeah, that was all the preamble.
Exploring Epstein's Death and Media Narratives
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Let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein. Let's amble.
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Yes, so Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. mean, he's been everywhere. He's probably been he's he's been more in the public consciousness now than he ever was while he was alive, although he was fairly notorious for a while he was alive as well.
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But to there's there's been no shortage of talking about him for various fairly good reasons, and especially good reasons if you're a podcast that likes to talk about conspiracy theories.
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um So I guess the first thing we can talk about are the actual conspiracy theories around Jeffrey Epstein and what effects, if any, the the latest releases and leaks have had. I mean, certainly people seem more likely to believe that he didn't commit suicide now, don't they? They do.
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So when Epstein died under what can only be called mysterious circumstances in prison several years ago, there were a number of conspiracy theories being put forward. So just to give you a short gloss as to what happened, Jeffrey Epstein was in prison. He was on suicide watch. He commits suicide.
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People started to question the official narrative about Epstein's suicide. for the sheer fact that there were some oddities. He was on suicide watch, but people were not checking up on him on a regular interval, which you're meant to do when someone's on suicide watch.
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The cameras operating outside of his cell were not functioning cropplay The body was found quite some time after death had been declared. And then it turned out that prior to Jeffrey Epstein's apparent suicide, Epstein had complained that his cellmate, an ex-police officer who was in prison for murder, had tried to murder him in his cell. So many people were going...
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I mean, it might be the case that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide, but at the same time, there's something fishy about the way the story is being told of his suicide, which led to some people saying it could be so fishy as to say that maybe he didn't commit suicide at all, maybe he was murdered. Yes, and it should be pointed out that there are a range of possibilities and positions people can have on this. It's often presented as either he killed himself completely independently and not suspiciously at all, or he was bumped off in a cell by the CIA immediately.
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And yeah he was actually assassinated and this was covered up. But there are a range of possibilities. And he could have been convinced fairly strongly that he should commit suicide. um He could have committed suicide. And the cover-up is around the fact that the the people who are supposed to be watching him were just plain incompetent. you know it could be It could be a cover-up of incompetence rather than of a malicious and assassination type theory.
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um So there are there are there are a range of positions in between 100% suicide, unsuspicious and suspicious suicide and ah flat-out murder.
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But nevertheless, the he just plain committed suicide end of the spectrum seems to be becoming, if not less plausible, a lot less widely believed, I guess. Yes, and the reason why I use the term apparent suicide is that this is a term that's been used by the media now, and people are reporting on Jeffrey Epstein's death. Certain media outlets are now appending apparent in front of suicide, which I think shows a kind of mainstreaming of the...
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we're not entirely sure he died at his own hand aspect of the argument. So, yeah, it's it's interesting. And, of course, what's made it particularly salient to talk about conspiracy theories is that now people are going, these Epstein files...
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There's fairly good evidence that there were people out there that Epstein had a compromise on who really would have liked him to have died before he went to trial.
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in Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's it's definitely gathering traction, but I don't know that we have any, as you say, we we have a lot more motive now, but I don't know that we have any
Epstein's Online Presence Theories
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more evidence. Well, and so the evidence that I've seen being discussed online, there's a YouTube mortician who has spent several videos now looking at all of the official photos and footage of Epstein's corpse.
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And she is adamant that there is something wrong with those photos and that they look staged and they don't look natural. Although i'm not quite sure how a person being dead looks natural at all. It's kind of one of the definitions of being dead. It's an unnatural state for a living being.
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But there is a YouTube mortician who has been making claims that all of the photos we have don't look like a corpse. It looks like someone who's been dressed up as a corpse or someone who has been dressed up to look like they committed suicide as opposed to being murdered. Now, there are critiques of this particular YouTube mortician. Many people are saying that her critiques... Critiques are not particularly well done. They're more salacious than they are factual. And they have pointed out that many of the stories she tells about her so-called expertise as a mortician seem to be stories she has laundered from her father's career as a mortician.
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But there are people who are looking at the photos of Epstein's corpse and the footage surrounding the movement of that corpse and going, well, this doesn't look quite right.
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And the thing is, those but these particular claims tie into both the idea that he didn't commit suicide because he was murdered, and also the other theory going around at the moment, which is completely the opposite, which says those images of his death look staged because he's not dead at all.
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Because the other one that's now popping up is Jeffrey Epstein. Not only did you not commit suicide, he's still alive and in hiding, and yet despite being in hiding, still managing to get photographed all over the place.
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So we've seen a bit of, we've seen this with Steve Jobs. We've seen this with Tupac Shakur. It must have happened with a bunch of other people as well, that that all these these photographs start popping off of of a person in a public place, and people will say, doesn't that look an awful lot like that guy who's supposed to be dead?
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And so there have been photographs of a man who was who was allegedly Jeffrey Epstein. I think there was some photographs of it a person in Israel. The one photographs I saw, I'm pretty sure, were the celebrity Mickey Rourke with long hair and a beard. Who is also dead.
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Well, but nevertheless, is Jeffrey Epstein dead? mean, maybe Mickey Rourke is also fake to zone death. Maybe they're hanging out together in Tel Aviv.
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being Being body doubles for each other. Apparently, I have not seen any of these, but I'm told that there are also AI-generated images going around of of an alive Jeffrey Epstein hanging out in places.
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So I'm not aware of any anything credible about this, and as I say, it's a thing we've seen plenty of other times with other celebrities who have... Celebrity? Is that the right word? I guess. Public figure, certainly. Yeah, public figure is probably the better term to hear. Celebrity has more positive connotations, yeah.
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um But then another thing that popped up was in the Epstein files, leaks, whatever you want to call them, releases, um one thing that was released was the username that Jeffrey Epstein used when he was playing Fortnite online.
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And then after his death, people noticed that username popping up. there was Someone was playing Fortnite with that username after Jeffrey Epstein was supposedly dead. And people this this certainly raised a few eyebrows. Now, as I understand it, what actually happened was...
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Somebody read that old Jeffrey Epstein's username was this, then changed their own username to that as a bit of a laugh and started playing under that username to get precisely the sort of reaction that they've got.
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But as I understand, there isn't actually. It it is all quite explainable that Jeffrey Epstein's username was being used in Fortnite after he died. And you, like many other people, and I'll talk to you, to the viewer here or the listener, might be surprised to find out that Jeffrey Epstein played Fortnite. But one of the things... Lots of people do. Yeah. And one of things which has kind of come out from the Epstein files... is that Epstein wasn't a man of particularly high class. Now, I'm not going to make the claim that playing computer games is lower class activity in the derogatory sense, but Jeffrey Epstein was, in many respects, a lot more ordinary than you might expect someone of his extreme wealth to be. Yes, yes. Now, I think that that does come across quite clearly. Now, of course, the other the other big theory going around at the moment involving the Epstein files is that the the current attacks on Iran are all there to distract us from the the release of the Epstein files, especially since I think it was either just before or just after the initial attacks by the USA and Israel on Iran. um
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it came out that there was there was evidence of um or testimony of Trump himself um having some form of relations with an underage girl and then assaulting her afterwards.
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um And that disappeared fairly quickly. And so people have said, OK, well, here we go. That's it. he He knew the bad stuff was coming out about him. So he started an entire war to to take the heat off it.
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And I mean, what what do you think of that as a theory? I mean, it's... This is one of the problems about talking about anything about President Donald J. Trump, in that you can put malign...
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very, very intentional activity behind Trump's decisions. Or you can think he's just someone who does what he's thinking at any particular time.
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So yeah, it is a possibility that the Trump administration went, what's the best way to avoid talking about the Epstein files? Let's go to war instead. There's also a very distinct possibility, and I suspect probably a more likely one, that Trump has been,
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goaded by hawks in his administration that they need to do something about the Iranian regime and it's just conveniently timed at the same time the Epstein files are becoming more and more prominent in public discourse. So yeah, sure, maybe it's a distraction but largely I think Trump does what Trump wants to do or at least Trump does what Trump is told to do and then takes ownership of those decisions because he's the cleverest boy in the room.
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Yes, yeah, i I kind of agree. I don't think it's so much that that the Trump administration started a pointless war in Iran because they wanted to distract from the Epstein files. They've started a pointless war in Iran, and it is distracting from the Epstein files. But really, when you look at this administration and the previous Trump administration, the entire history of them seem to be doing a stupid thing, which then distracted from the previous stupid thing they'd just done, and on and on and on like that. so And it's not as if the Republicans haven't been eager for a war with Iran for a while now anyway. i mean, this reminds me a lot of some of the discussions around nine eleven conspiracy theories. So the argument that America had to engineer the 9-11 attack to then justify going to war in the Middle East.
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And sure, that is a possibility. But given that America has won or at least, sorry, certain right-wing Republicans have wanted a war in the Middle East since time immemorial, there's also a very distinct and I think more likely possibility that 9-11 was simply the justification to do something they wanted to do anyway. And that gives us...
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avenue to talk about a kind of sideline because we're not really talking about iran here but one of the things which came out last week was that senior brass in the american military have been telling good old infantry and you know service personnel that they need to go to war in the middle east to bring about the
Elite Conspiracy Theories and Economic Power
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kingdom of heaven yes yeah i mean this has been a a thread that's been going around for quite a while but there's certain certain strains of christianity really want the apocalypse to happen because that's when jesus comes back and they believe that this will happen with the war and in the holy land in the middle east and they're doing their damnedest to engineer one
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um And it's it's, I guess, yeah, the frightening thing at the moment is is people actually saying it out loud kind of officially, whereas it's you know and separation of church and state stuff. Yes, it's no longer something that they whisper about behind closed doors. It's something they're actually telling the troops.
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Yeah, that's a worry. But um not, as you say, specifically related to the Epstein files, which is what we're talking about this particular episode. So, I mean, those ah that's that's a bit of a the a survey of how Epstein-related conspiracy theories have been swirling around before, during, and after the the release of these files. But I think there's an interesting question that applies more specifically to to this podcast, and it's one that was brought up by that YouTube video we mentioned at the start of the episode. That was the that was the time we did an episode on Uncle Sam's Snuff Factory.
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This was a a theory, um a young person, i actually forget, they they were transgender and they were transgender in first went by one name and then went by a different name, and I forget which is the current one, and I don't want to give them the wrong name at the moment, but um they they had put up a series of videos claiming that they themselves had been a victim of what they called Uncle Sam's Snuff Factory, which was this which was basically every every sort of satanic...
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elite cabal conspiracy mashed together. There was this base somewhere in Texas near Fort Worth, which has had a fair few conspiratorial happenings around it already, um where children were abducted and taken and tortured and murdered and cannibalized and and sort of ah shipped out for for consumption by other evil elite cabals and so on and so forth.
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And that one video where we talked about Uncle Sam's Snuff Factory was the only one that that ever got and continues to get hits on it. And i that seemed to me because we're the only people who've ever actually talked about it apart from the person putting up the... Actually, let let's look, because I went and had a look back at our old videos.
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We talked about this once, and then... We we talked about twice, because we did a follow-up one. Yes, that's what saying. we We talked about it once. And then when that was getting all the um all the hits, we went back and did a follow-up. And in that follow-up, we mentioned that at the time when you Googled Uncle Sam's Snuff Factory, the top results were all our one podcast episode. Now, I'm just i' Googling right now.
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Okay, Reddit. Okay, no, it's a little bit – we're now the third episode. mentioned from the top. I'm seeing a Reddit thing about it, which might be the original Reddit post that you first saw, which got us onto it.
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We've got a Substack conspiracy newsletter. we've got asakka We've got Katie Groves, which so that I am assuming that is her current name. She is now the fourth. ah Then we have us, us, Twitter post,
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Substack, us again. Okay, yes. so we're we're in we're on the first page of results. See, unol i I'm looking at DuckDuckGo, and it's a slightly different layout here. So you have the Reddit thread. Then you have Briteon page by Keiki Groves. I don't know what Briteon is. Yes, yeah, that was the one I saw, yep. yeah then Then there's a German Substack article on this.
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Then there's a link to a Twitter slash XCOM post. Then there is a book written by Katie Groves for sale on Amazon.
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Then we get... SoarGlobal.com, which has a a post about Katie Groves, and then we get our references on YouTube and then various podcast disseminators. So that's interesting. And I'm now looking at the Uncle Sam's paperback, released September 10th, 2023, which by one Dr. Marcel po ah Pote, P-O-L-T-E.
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And this appears to be a 242-page discussion of Uncle Sam's Snuff Factory. And it does seem... Oh, they've used remote a remote viewers to confirm Katie Grove's experiences.
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I kind of feel we might need to look at this book. Yes, but nevertheless, the point is that even though we first talked about this in June of 2019, what's that, seven or six and a half years ago, um we're still in the top page of results for this topic.
00:27:17
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So we do seem to be one of the very few people talking about it, which I guess is why our YouTube video still gets hits. And one of those hits... was just the other day, or I suppose a couple of weeks ago now, in in between our last recording our last episode and recording this one, a person with the username Nicholas Paul put a comment on that video saying, you guys got to do a follow-up because obviously of the Epstein files. Did your guys' opinions change at all? Great podcast, by the way. Thank you, Nicholas Paul. And that's an interesting question.
00:27:49
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It is. Because, like, this is something that has come up in in your literature, in the conspiracy theory, theory literature a bunch of times. How plausible you think conspiracies are is, according to some people's writing, in some part...
00:28:06
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determined by how conspired you think the world is. And obviously that it applies differently to different people in different times and different places, but just as a general level of background conspiracy theory, when the when the snowden wind the Edward Snowden leaks came out, that suddenly showed a whole lot of people that the world that was actually more conspired than they thought it was. And now the Epstein files seem to be having the same effect all over again, as we've seen just how how chummy all these elite people are and how closely they communicate with with each other and the sorts of things they communicate about. So it's probably too soon for it to have had any influence on the actual academic literature, I'm assuming.
00:28:49
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Yes, I mean, there's going to a kind of a six-month lead-in between the files coming out to the inn end of last year and the beginning of this year and people starting to write on it. And certainly when it comes to polling on these things, we probably will only have reliable data about this in about a year's time. So we're on the cutting edge here about talking about how this might change how people look at conspiracy theory theory.
00:29:16
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have Have you had any just-like conversations or anything recently around this? I mean, certainly with academics i have talked about this with have all gone, well...
Class Disconnect Revealed in Elite Emails
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There are certain formally thought to be implausible conspiracy theories that do seem a lot more plausible in the light of what's been released in the Epstein file tranches. So here's an example. It has been postulated for a very long time that the ultra-rich really would like to eradicate poor people in general.
00:29:54
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And people have always kind of defended against this idea. We're going, look, don't be so stupid. They're not that idiotic to want to wipe out poor people. Except that we now have email correspondence between, say, Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates, where they are making claims about what can we do about the problem of poor people existing. Now, spanner in the work here is that the problem with emails is we don't really know what tone is being expressed in these particular conversations. And there are quite obviously some emails that Jeffrey Epstein sent, which were sent in a more jocular mode, but can be read in a very sinister mode.
00:30:39
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So there's a email that's sent by Jeffrey Epstein to some financier whose name I cannot recall offhand. This financier is visiting New York.
00:30:50
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Epstein goes, oh, if you're in New York, why don't you, Woody and i meet up for dinner or would having two pedos dinner didn't be too much and that does appear to be Jeffrey Epstein making a joke at his expense and possibly Woody Allen's expense as well or conversely if you don't read it in a jocular mode a recognition that the relationship between Woody Allen and if not Suying his wife and Mera not Mera Fallop Mia.
00:31:30
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Mia Farrow's adopted daughter was inappropriate, or maybe a reference to the claims of historical child abuse that Woody Allen is currently suffering from. It's hard to know whether ah Epstein is joking or making a serious point at that stage.
00:31:47
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And thus, because you don't know what tone those emails were written in, we only have the written document after the fact, maybe some of the comments made in the Epstein files are more humorous than they are serious. But at the same time, they are evident that people were talking about some of the things that people suspected they'd been talking about the entire time. Yeah.
00:32:11
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Yes, I mean, I had seen exchanges along the lines of, you know, it's it's lucky that the poor people are fighting each other. If they all actually started paying attention to us and working against us, we'd be in trouble. but so So good thing theyre they're too busy, too distracted by celebrities and and and and celebrity beefs and other stuff that doesn't involve us.
00:32:36
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um Certainly, you know, yeah ah people people have sort of said, you know, you you may not think you're in a class war, but rich people do, and they're winning. um So it's, yeah, it's it's definitely been eye-opening one way or another to see see the sorts of exchanges. The the the way, i mean, I've... i've listen to stuff about how Jeffrey Epstein was sort of at the center of what was at least involved in a whole bunch of of aspects of of what has become modern life is as far as loot boxes and video games and stuff like that. I think there was a real there seemed to be behind it all a real push to the sort of um Peter Thiele kind of ah who's who's the
00:33:26
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Maltag guy? Oh, yes. yeah the huki and The so-called intellectual of the American right. but where does ja Curtis Yavin. These guys who all want to get rid of democratic society as it currently exists... and replace it with sort of a series of corporate fiefdoms where they would be the the the absolute ruler of of all they surveyed.
00:33:52
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And you can see a whole bunch of efforts towards that, the the whole sort of video gamification of things and and sort of loot boxes as a way leading into cryptocurrency as a way to get, you know, get get rid of of government backed currency.
00:34:06
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um and I mean, even the Gamergate phenomena has roots in the Epstein files. So we've now got fairly good evidence that Epstein and his mates were quite keen on promoting the Gamergate hypothesis that there was systemic corruption in gaming journalism, in part because one of the goals of Epstein and his pals was to kind of wind back liberal attitudes towards women and queer people in society. And so things like Gamagate were the kind of things they were guessing behind and pushing behind closed doors.
00:34:45
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Yes, and it seemed very seatsy Epstein did take sort of a lurch even further, really really hardcore in this direction after his initial arrest and conviction the first time.
00:34:56
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because yeah And yeah, a large part of the project does seem to be that the the the problem... The problem with me having sex with underage girls is that I get caught because they're able to to to complain about it and and people will believe them. What we need to do is change society so that, yes, women go back to being property and nobody listens to what with what what they say. That would be great for me specifically, Jeffrey Epstein.
00:35:23
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um And it's, it's yeah, it's it's actually been interesting. The whole, I mean, yes, so obviously the whole thing of Epstein is is the underage sex thing. That's that's what that that's what's synonymous with gepreot Jeffrey Epstein. It's underage sex and organizing it for other rich people. indeed like Child trafficking.
00:35:45
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the the The way I've like i've heard that they talk about, supposedly, i've obviously I have not trawled through the Epstein files in any great detail, but I've read from people who have, who sort of say, yeah, they kind of talk about underage sex the way other people talk about taking drugs. you know's yeah Yeah, it's illegal, but it's just a thing you do at a party. Come on.
00:36:07
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um I also have found it interesting, one of the few cases where, you know, you know there's the whole pedophile-phibophile thing, and when someone gets accused of being a pedophile, and then someone will say, well, you know, technically, pedophilia is prepubescent children. And a fever, whereas this person had sex with people who are under the age of legal consent but still past puberty, and that's a fever philia.
00:36:29
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And when you say that, it basically just makes it sound like you're being a pedantic dick to in some way defend a person from being a pedophile as though what they did was in some way okay. And yet...
00:36:42
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In this case, it almost does seem worth observing that distinction, but specifically because you hear a lot of people criticizing it, saying, yes, Epstein, all all these people, they're having sex with children, just little kids having sex with little kids. And it's like, well, actually, a lot of the time they were having sex with teenagers. It's still bad. It's still illegal.
00:37:02
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But it's not what you're saying. But the reason why you want to say that is that there are actually large sections of society who think, 14-year-olds, fourteen yearolds Not that bad.
00:37:12
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There are places in in in the English-speaking world where I think... marriage at that age is allowed with parental consent or something. There are chunks of society who don't want to say, ah that evil Epstein was busy having sex with 14 and 15 year olds because they actually kind of think that's okay, which is why they emphasize that, oh, they were just little kids even in cases where they weren't.
00:37:35
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it's a very It's a very strange situation where I find myself almost agreeing with pete with with with the pedantic assholes, but not for the reasons they'd want me to. Yes, because as you were pointing out, there have been quite a lot of media commentators who are going, oh, let's not get too antsy about what Epstein was up to. Because, you know, these were 14-year-olds, not 8-year-olds. in case of A girl is a girl. on the whole point of an adult woman is that actually an adult woman is a woman.
00:38:09
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You don't need to put adult woman in front of it. A woman is a woman. When they're not a woman, they're a child. And that's the problematic aspect. Epstein was trafficking in children.
00:38:22
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Now, children as a is a long age range, but it's wrong no matter how young or old they are. If they're not consenting adults, you don't have sex with them.
00:38:35
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And yet, despite the the wide, wide evidence of all this child trafficking, I can't say, returning to user Nicholas Paul's question...
00:38:47
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that the Epstein files have actually changed my opinion on Uncle Sam's snuff factory. Because when you look at what these guys are doing, it is quite quite banal in a way. They're not, they're not, they're not, they're not, uh, what were some of the claims of Uncle Sam's Snuff Factory? Boiling children alive in fecal matter, chopping them up in butchery shops and feeding them to other children, worshipping the devil.
00:39:13
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They just want to get drunk and have parties and have sex with quote unquote woman, not actually caring about the legality of whether or not they are of legal age. Um,
00:39:27
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so So I think the Epstein files, yes, show the world is a lot more conspired perhaps than we thought and really show, you know, there are these, I don't know if cabal is the right word, but there are these these elite rich people do get together and they do plot to affect the world that you and I live in But it also does show that they're not Satan worshipping cannibals.
00:39:52
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They're just horny assholes. Yes, I mean, it is a kind of interesting distinction here in that on one level, the Epstein Files does raise the probability that conspiracy theories about rich elites exist.
00:40:07
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ah more likely to be true than we thought they were previously. Which is not to say they're more likely to be true, it's that we've raised the probability from, in some cases, deeply improbable hypotheses to things that we should plausibly look at and investigate with due seriousness.
00:40:26
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But there's still a class of conspiracy theory, like the Uncle Sam snuff factory hypothesis of children being butchered for snuff films, where you go, i don't know the Epstein files have made those any more likely to be true.
00:40:45
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But it has made lesser versions of those hypotheses, that rich elites are trafficking children for their own wants and
Challenging Elite Supremacy with Epstein Files
00:40:55
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desires. We already knew that was somewhat true, given things like Jimmy Savile in the UK and Epstein's first arrest and conviction all the way back in 2009.
00:41:08
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We just now know that there were a lot more people who, A, were engaged in helping Epstein, and B, and this is the crucial part, a lot more people who post-2009 were happy to continue to associate with Epstein and want to go to parties on his island. Yeah, yeah.
00:41:30
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Yes, the inconnect interconnectedness, I guess, of what is now being called the Epstein class, which... i don't I don't actually have a problem with, um has been very interesting.
00:41:43
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but But also as interesting as how these these are the people run the world, I think it's fair to say, who have enormous power and influence.
00:41:54
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They're not actually smarter and wiser and and and and and in any way better than any of the rest of us, I think. And indeed, sometimes they come across as kind of dumb.
00:42:04
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And I think I made this point the last time we talked about the Epstein files, but the thing which the Epstein files should definitely crush is the idea that rich people are better and smarter than the rest of us.
00:42:19
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Because not only do we have Epstein's emails, we also have the emails of the people he was corresponding with. And these indicate that a lot of these rich and successful people are deeply stupid human beings who've only got into positions of power and wealth because of the luck that drives the economic system under which we live.
00:42:45
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They're not clever people. They are simply people who have lucked into the right connections or lucked onto an idea which sold at a particular time.
00:42:56
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They're not clever. They're not smart. And in fact, in many cases, they appear to be very, very deeply stupid individuals.
00:43:08
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, lot of them are good. Like a fellow like Elon Musk is really good at selling Elon Musk. And taking credit for other people's ideas. Yes. You know, he's genuinely skilled at Bill Gates.
00:43:23
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Everything I've heard about Bill Gates is he's genuinely a very intelligent person. But with very few to no social skills. Yes, and indeed being very being very intelligent made him very good in the computer software industry, but doesn't necessarily mean he's actually very good at any other field he might want to turn his hand to.
00:43:47
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So, yeah, lot of these people, they're just, did they're fairly average people. And yet, as we say, but they still do actually run the world. Like, they's that's not an obstacle to them getting pretty much everything they want. And this makes me think of the French Revolution. So one of the things which came out in the kind of transition from the Ancien Regime to what ended up being the glorious first French Republic was,
00:44:15
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was that for a period of time, the bourgeoisie thought that the the nobles and the elites of French culture were clever and looking after the interests of the people.
00:44:29
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And then... Books were published about the the way the a't the royal court worked, and these books revealed that actually it was a so it was simply a series of favors where everyone was looking after themselves, and they were doing things for their own benefit whilst talking about the benefit of the common folk.
00:44:52
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And this led to the French the french Revolution, a disillusionment with the ruling class, and the realization that these people were not better.
Elite Corruption and Historical Parallels
00:45:03
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They were not better. They couldn't run a country effectively. In fact, they were making things worse through their interactions rather than keeping things even in a kind of status quo mode.
00:45:15
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And I think the Epstein files is very similar to what happened with the kind of transition from the Aix-en regime to the first glorious French Republic. And that this is an insider's look into how the elites view the world and interact with one another.
00:45:32
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And it is in no way an edifying look at what is going on behind the scenes. Yes, which also has has come in at the right time, possibly, When um AI has been the big technology, which is in the past, Silicon Valley has said, here's here's the stuff that's going to change the world. It's social media, it's iPhones, it's all sorts of stuff like that.
00:45:55
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AI, from what I understand, is a good tool for certain jobs, but it's being marketed as the best tool for everything that's going to change everything. And there's already there's there's a public backlash against it in a way that there hasn't been against other technologies to come out in more recent at times. So, yeah, it did seem it did seem like a bit a bit a bit perfect stormy.
00:46:19
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To have, from multiple fronts, people come into the realisation that, hey, actually these people who are who are who are at the top of the heap ah kind of only have their own interests at heart and maybe a little bit rubbish.
00:46:32
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So it's kind of depressing, really, when you get down to it. But I think that's about all we've got. I suppose, I mean, we should say, like you you mentioned...
US and European Investigations into Epstein Files
00:46:41
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the these the the revelations in these Epstein files have resulted in in action in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, but as far as I can tell, nothing has affected anyone in the United States. Now, the Department of Justice claims that there are investigations ongoing, and some people are treating that as being true. Others are saying, well...
00:47:10
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They can say there investigations which are ongoing, but whether that's actually true is another matter entirely. So it is possible there could be investigations and then convictions based upon the Epstein files that could take several years to go through the courts before we find anything out about them.
00:47:31
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But it is notable that many of the self-identifying victims of Epstein and Epstein's associates Making the claim that as far as they're or aware, there's no action going on to actually bring people to justice for what happened.
00:47:49
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So maybe that will change. Be nice to think so, i suppose. But tongue otherwise, yeah, that's that's where we just have to leave it, I think.
00:48:01
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For the time being, yes. Yes. So that is where we will leave it Now, ah we we we mentioned that... um People and in who are watching the YouTube version of this ah might get a ah less polished, less edited version of the podcast than you listeners will. They will, however, get the occasional little interstitial bits where we stop and say, oh, maybe we should edit something out or or leave a gap to put something in, which you listeners will not be privy to. So maybe mate mate maybe you should go listen to the YouTube video.
00:48:38
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and watch it Although, if you listen to YouTube video, on our or as you know, this works. we're We're trying to get rid of listeners. We can move them to the video version instead. That means we're getting our numbers down. yeah Oh, this is all part of our grand plan.
00:48:53
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00:49:06
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Who are the best and the brightest individuals of all time? I'm 100% certain that none of our patrons are in the Epstein files. I'm so certain won't even go to bother checking because there's just no way. Do you know what your Epstein number is?
00:49:22
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Ah... No. I can tell i can guarantee it at least a two because I'm a one so your Your Epstein number is how direct a line of correspondence you have to someone who is in the Epstein file. right So someone who's in the Epstein files is a zero.
00:49:43
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yeah and if you've caught so you have corresponded with someone who is the Epstein file. corresponded with Michael Shermer who's in the Epstein files. That's why I have a one. You've corresponded with at least a two, yes. don't think... I mean, you might also be a one. There's a possibility you've had correspondence with someone who's had direct car correspondence.
00:50:01
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I unfortunately have. And you've corresponded with me, so you inherit my link. I'm at least a two. Yeah, unless, I don't know, unless David Icke, who we've spoken to in person, unless he's in the files...
00:50:15
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Oh, that's a good question. Actually, let's just check to see if David Icke is in the ep Epstein files. I mean, he's he's been a vocal opponent of anything Epstein-ish, but then, I mean, simply being in the Epstein files, it could be... It's entirely possible that there are emails where people say, hey, have you heard of this David Icke guy? Well, apparently...
00:50:39
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He's been, oh, right, i've I've got on Planet Today, conspiracy author David Icke repeatedly named and shamed a new Jeffrey Epstein file. Disgraced conspiracy author David Icke has been named and shamed at least 15 times in Congress's latest release of the Jeffrey Epstein files, the very documents that peel back the curtain on the financier's global pedophile network.
00:51:02
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o Named and shamed or just just named? I'm trying to work out whether there is anything which substantiates the headline here oh oh apparently his ex-wife has been dropping disturbing allegations about David Icke were Well, in any case, yes, i mean I'm at the very least two and pending pending more investigation into David Icke, maybe. So this article is suggesting that he's had at least correspondence with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:51:38
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So that's interesting. But then our podcast, but then our patrons, rather... who have corresponded with us are therefore at possibly a two or or a three if they've only ever corresponded with me but not you.
00:51:56
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00:52:19
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00:52:44
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That is the moral of the story. And what a moral it turned out to be. Exactly. So with that ringing in your ears, i think it's i think it's I think it's time to go. It's time to call things to a close.
00:52:57
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00:53:05
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00:53:20
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00:53:46
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