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Cupcakes and Coups
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M is still in the country, so we put another meal on the Patreon expense account and talk about recent and less recent conspiratorial happenings in Iran, while eating delicious baked goods at a Takapuna café. Good news if you like your podcasts candid and slice-of-life; if not, M will be back in China before you know it and we'll be back to recording as normal, so everyone's happy. Unless they're in the Epstein files.
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Epstein Files and Cafe Delights
00:00:28
Speaker
Okay, so we meet once again here, Joshua. Actually, have you checked to see whether you're in the Epstein files? No, are you? No, my I i did actually did do a search to see if there's any dentists. There are a lot of Addisons in the file. I think there's about 3,000 mentions of Addisons in the files. I've actually gone through to check that you're not mentioned anywhere, but given there's probably only, what, four or five Addisons in the entire world? And one of them is fictitious.
00:00:59
Speaker
I have a feeling you must be in the Epstein tranche somewhere. You'd assume, but yeah, if I am, no one's told me and I haven't gone looking. Well, I mean, do... Ah, thank you.
00:01:12
Speaker
Thank you, thank you. I'll take one of those spoons.
00:01:17
Speaker
Yes, this time we're recording. This time we are in a cafe. A cafe. Josh is having a Biscoff cupcake. I'm having a tub of vegan tiramisu.
00:01:29
Speaker
And what a big tub it is as well. It's most impressive.
Political Abductions and Internet Shut Downs
00:01:33
Speaker
um So yeah, it's been Epstein, Epstein, Epstein and nothing but lately. But not nothing but actually, that's not true. Well no, I mean aside from the... You would be forgiven for thinking that.
00:01:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean aside from the mr second abduction of... Did we say president or former president of venezue Venezuela? Venezuela, Maduro now. that i I guess he was technically former but I mean... But it was kind of an illegal abduction. But then people...
00:02:03
Speaker
dispute whether the election that elected him was actually legitimate. It seems very complicated. But aside from that, there's been a whole bunch of stuff going on in Iran, or at least around, well, both in and around Iran. Yeah, and to be honest, I like i have been been successfully distracted from all of that stuff by all the all the fun juicy Epstein business, so I'm not actually fully clued in what has been going on around Iran.
00:02:30
Speaker
protests, large number of protests, which then led to the government of Iran shutting down the internet and cracking down on the protesters, which has led to a very strange situation where the President of the United States is saying, oh, you can't crack down on protesters, that's bad. Which seems unusual in the context of what's going on in the United States, given that the President of the United States saying you should crack down on protesters, cracking down on protesters is good. So there seems to be a weird double standard going on in American domestic versus foreign policy. Which of course we've never seen before in history. Well no, totally unprecedented but um what we have seen before of course is regime change in Iran on more than one occasion.
The 1953 Iran Coup: Prelude and Conspiracy
00:03:19
Speaker
So is the current protesting sort of aiming to get rid of the current regime? I'm gonna say, there's a lot of pictures of people burning images of the a Ayatollah. So I think it's very much against the regime rather than for it. Right.
00:03:39
Speaker
So we thought and um because of that going on. And because we were desperate to find a topic to fit our recording schedule. Yep. um we could do ah We could do a back to the conspiracy thing about a topic we haven't talked about in at least five years, I think.
00:03:55
Speaker
Which is just under half the life of this podcast now? Well, yeah, it'll be 12. The podcast will be turning 12 this year. It's, what, 11 and a half now, so yeah. God will be going to intermediate school next. It will. Yeah, we'll have another look at the 1953 Iran coup, which, spoilers,
00:04:16
Speaker
took a self-interested country that whose interests didn't perfectly align with the US and the UK, turned it into a pro-US country, which then had a big revolution and turned into a violently anti-US. I mean, I'd say vehemently anti-US country and also...
00:04:35
Speaker
as a consequence also a virulently anti-Semitic country as well, which is one of these things about regime change that people tend to want to align. never seems to go well. There may have been a brief period after World War two where allied forces brought democracy to particular former fascist or orthodox authoritarian countries, but everything that happened in the latter part of the 20th century has been an unmitigated disaster with the worst of possible consequences, especially when they do a regime change to move it away from a democracy to a non-democracy.
00:05:17
Speaker
Yes, so The overthrow there in Iran is the first time the us used the CIA to overthrow a democratically elected leader, as far as we're aware. But the CIA was very young at the time, so it probably is the first.
00:05:34
Speaker
Well, yes, as you say, first admitted case. Who knows what smaller scale experiments they may have been trying beforehand, but this is their this is their first good old stab at it.
00:05:49
Speaker
So um the short version of it is that in 1953, Iran was led by Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh. He was overthrown in favor of the Shah, who at the time was Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
00:06:06
Speaker
Thank you. Thank you. um And it was it was not the cleanest transition, several hundred people hundred people died in conflicts during the overthrow.
00:06:20
Speaker
um As we say, it was the first time that we we're aware that the CIA went in and toppled ah toppppleled a democratically elected leader. And this is ah this is a hearsay or suspicion, this is something the CIA admits to. Yes, in 2013. Yes, but it is it is on the official website now.
00:06:41
Speaker
Sorry, I'm dropping food on myself. Yes, Josh was shocked at what the CIA has been up to. He almost dropped his spoon. Almost dropped me cupcake. um Not euphemism. No.
00:06:52
Speaker
So that was... slightly, the ri eight that the the official admission that the CIA was behind this is slightly older than this podcast, um slightly younger than this podcast, is the revelation of of what the UK was up to as well. It wasn't until 2017 that um documents were declassified in the UK showing that basically the whole coup was their idea and they went to the US for help.
00:07:21
Speaker
Ian, this is actually an interesting case of old powers versus new powers collaborating on undermining even newer powers doing things out. Thank you very much.
00:07:35
Speaker
and then What we get here is a kind of interesting verification of the goals and ideals of two different countries. The US is very concerned about the march of commun communism across the world and it is concerned. John Dulles was very concerned about the march of communism and he was in charge. Yeah.
00:07:58
Speaker
And so they were they were concerned that independent regimes, particularly in the Middle East with connections with the Soviet Union, would be swayed away from democracy towards full-blown communism.
00:08:12
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So their interest was in ensuring there was a regime in the Middle East, which was working with the US rather than working with powers allied
Economic Pressures and the Path to Overthrow
00:08:21
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against the US. s But the UK didn't have... I mean, let's bookmark that say that this is a noble goal.
00:08:29
Speaker
The UK didn't have a particularly noble goal in mind, did they? No, and I mean... A lot of the time people say, especially the stuff that happened in South America and so on, these coups to overthrow people who they're afraid might turn to to communism tended to be started by some business person saying, hey, they won't sell us bananas properly anymore. let's know There usually seemed to be a financial impetus, at least for it, and that was definitely the case here because the UK wanted oil, basically.
00:09:01
Speaker
um There's the oil industry in Iran at the time was owned by the UK and Iran said, hey, maybe we shouldn't be sending all of our money overseas. I'm going to nationalize the oil industry. The UK wasn't happy about that.
00:09:20
Speaker
It was not. Nationalization of the oil infrastructure, which admittedly also appears to be one of the motivations for the toppling of the regime in Venezuela, seems to piss off particular people an awful a lot. yeah Awful a lot? An awful lot. An awful a lot.
00:09:40
Speaker
um So we should probably put in the same disclaimer as we did last time we talked about this, which is that this is a very complicated affair in a region with a hell of a lot of history. So just take it as read that every single fact we make you could add, but it's more complicated than that onto the end of. Or there's some nuance that we're missing here. Yeah, just take that for granted. But the rough... I mean, entire entire books have been written on this topic.
00:10:05
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But the broad strokes of it is. that I mean going into things around had plenty of historical reasons to not be the biggest fans of the UK. They liked a bit of materialism. They did. To the British. This is the first time hearing of it, but apparently the British Empire was a big thing. Well, although oddly enough, this is kind of after the empire has collapsed, and there's a kind of some interesting historical footnotes. So, for example, after World War II, the New Zealand government gives indication to the government of the Cook Islands that they are going to... invade and take over. and the Cook Island government at the time, the Council of Chiefs, goes, well, actually New Zealand has a very bad race relation record with its indigenous people. We will contact the UK and say, look, if we're going to be taken over by someone,
00:10:57
Speaker
You'd rather be taken over by you than New Zealand because your track record of recent race relations is better than New Zealand's recent track record. And the UK refuses to do anything because they've got out of the business of empire.
00:11:12
Speaker
Except, of course, they hadn't. They were just very selective as to when they were going to use what was left of their imperial ambitions. Yes. So i mean within Iran you had Masadaq as the democratically elected prime minister, the Shah of Iran, which is it's like what royalty, the monarchy yeah monarch yeah but of Iran, um had started taking more of an interest in politics um and he had arranged for a bunch of, he did sort of set up the Senate there to be fairly sympathetic towards him.
00:11:48
Speaker
Mosaddegh thought the monarchy should stay right right out of politics and I think you know he was more interested in the sort of constitutional monarchy type thing that they had in Britain where the royals are just kind of there but they don't actually run the country. Although conspiracy theory here, or just actual conspiracy, turned out the royals in the UK had a lot more political power than anyone has were admitted to at the time.
00:12:14
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um So and and I mean at this time that there are there are a bunch of like assassinations or assassination attempts that were going on at the time. It was it was not unfraught, if that's a word.
00:12:28
Speaker
It is now. It is now. Yeah, all that really, for our purposes all that really matters is got Masadik, you've got L'shaar, they don't get on. um That's within Iran and then yes, without um the the oil industry was run by the Anglo-Iranian or Anglo-Persian oil company, which was controlled by Britain. They would eventually, did this and in the way that that companies are all sort of related to each other, that the Anglo-Iranian oil company is one of the ancestors of British Petroleum these days. Yes, yeah.
00:13:03
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um And Masatik said, well no, that's that's no good. Iran should control Iran's oil and decided to nationalise the oil industry. And obviously the UK and other foreign interests who who who benefited from this arrangement weren't particularly happy that Masatik was dissolving it.
00:13:26
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Clement Attlee was the Prime Minister of the UK at the time. um he initially apparently decided just taking iran's oil refinery by force, but decided that might be a bit a bit harsh, so instead set up in um a military embargo to stop Iranian ships from taking oil out of the country so they couldn't sell it externally.
00:13:46
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and i there were other economic measures I think as well. um but So so they they deliberately set out to make life as difficult for Iran as they could without actually physically in invading it.
00:13:59
Speaker
And I think part of that, you know the usual thing is you you make you make life tough for the people and then they'll blame the leaders for getting them into this mess. But um to begin with at least, Masatik still had wide support.
00:14:11
Speaker
Now, there was a Communist Party, the Tudai Party in Iran, They weren't big fans of Masadek, they liked the Shah even less. Yes, so communism does tend to be kind of a a big fan of the royalty. yeah i mean Especially given the history of the communist revolution in Russia.
00:14:32
Speaker
Shah and Tsar, I'm just saying, very similar names. yeah Am I saying Tsar, Nicholas and the Shah were the same person? No, I'm not. Literally no way of knowing.
00:14:43
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um so yes So you have this Communist Party who were supporting the Saddiq for now at least. They didn't think he was that great. but Better the devil you know rather than the actual devil himself.
00:14:59
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rather than the that within the actual title himself of what yeah um And so then that was a bit of a wedge then, that the UK could sort of sidle up to the US and say, look, this guy in charge of Iran is quite friendly with those communists, but I think you might might be a bit worried about, isn't it?
00:15:20
Speaker
And it's a lot easier to deal with a single gentleman than as a gentleman who has to keep on referring to his cabinet about things. So I'm just saying, if it comes to negotiations, one guy versus, say, seven guys, one guy seems better.
00:15:38
Speaker
So Britain was able to sort of go to, be in particular to go to John Dulles, and say to him, hey, look, there's this nationalism in Iran. We think maybe the Soviets are behind it.
00:15:50
Speaker
could be Could be communism coming in. Now, at the time Truman was president right right at that moment, and he had his hands full with the Korean War, so he was like, if we don't want to, no thank you, okay? We've got got other things to go on. But in 1953, Eisenhower became president,
00:16:08
Speaker
And the u k to the UK got onto him saying, look, we really need to do something about getting this guy out of Iran. They got the CIA onto onto it. So the CIA was then run by John Dulles' brother, Alan Dulles, and we've talked plenty about the Dulles brothers in the past.
00:16:28
Speaker
um And so they were like, right, yep, you've convinced us,
Mossadegh's Overthrow: Success at Last?
00:16:33
Speaker
let's do it. Let's overthrow the leader of Iran. um Now by this time, by 1953, once the UK's got the US on the side, things have gone down a bit for the Sadduck. That earlier plan of making things difficult for the people of Iran so that they'll blame the Prime Minister and he'll lose support was starting to work.
00:16:56
Speaker
Oh yes, embargoes yeah do end up having an effect upon one's government. if we We can't sell our goods overseas anymore because of the decisions you've made.
00:17:07
Speaker
So yes, things were starting to happen on the ground that made revolution look possible. And then you get this sort of a this this sort of avalanche, this flow-on effect where the worse things get for the more authoritarian he becomes to try and keep in on things, which means the more unpopular he becomes and and and that just sort of snowballs.
00:17:31
Speaker
At which point having having someone else in charge starts to look look look like something we might want to contemplate. So this culminated in an assassination attempt against him and that really put the wind up. He threw a bunch of his political opponents in jail.
00:17:48
Speaker
and then finally issued a decree to dissolve the parliament and give his cabinet absolute power, which then was enough for the Shah to say, okay, well, that's that's that's going too far. We've got to do something about this. And so then the Shah gets on board with CIA's idea of a coup.
00:18:05
Speaker
um So the documentation that was that was many, many years later declassified from the CIA paints a fairly unflattering picture of the Shah, the CIA. Their impression of him was basically that he was just a coward who didn't didn't have the guts for ah for a coup because he was afraid, you know, it was too risky, might not work out well for him. um But they eventually talked him round to it.
00:18:29
Speaker
So then they went to enact a coup. It didn't quite go without a hitch. They kind of had to take two stabs at it. they They kind of had a run-up coup. Yeah, they had a practice coup on the 15th of August and then finally he got it right on the 19th, a few days later. but So it starts on the 15th where the Shah issues a royal decree. He says Mossadik's out.
00:18:52
Speaker
One General Fazlallah Zahedi is in. the This general obviously being someone who is loyal to the Shah. um But that didn't work. No, because when the colonel Colonel shows up with the decree saying, oh, by the way, you're out, he just goes, sorry, but you're, no, sorry, you're under arrest.
00:19:12
Speaker
So two can play at this game. Yeah. I mean this is a little bit like the the schism between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church where they both delivered writs of excommunication to each other at the same time. Guess it, you're out, no, you're out. guess ah oh this is ah This is a a bit awkward.
00:19:32
Speaker
Maybe we should just retreat to our own rooms and think this through. Yeah. So when when things didn't work out straight away, the Shah legged it to Baghdad and eventually flew off to Europe.
00:19:47
Speaker
General Sahady, who was not in custody at the time, still claiming to be the rightful Prime Minister, went into hiding. So, yeah, the initial attempt just did not work out, but um a few days later they made another push, and this one seemed to go little bit better. Yeah, so this is... i was actually going... When I was looking over the notes again, i was going, this this might be the Reichstag file of...
00:20:15
Speaker
So, when people talk about the Nazi takeover of Germany, they talk about the Reichstag fire, which was blamed on the communists at the time.
00:20:28
Speaker
And yet there's a long-standing conspiracy theory that the Nazis basically... engineered the fire. They had a convenient scapegoat, the communists, they engineered the fire, blamed it on the usual suspects and used that to sweep into power. And most historians go, no, actually,
00:20:47
Speaker
There was a fire, it was started by the Communists. It was just very convenient for a surging Nazi party to blame the Communists for the thing they did to then seize more control of the Weimar Republic and eventually produce what we now know as the Third Reich.
00:21:04
Speaker
In this particular case, we actually have people dressed up as members of the Communist Party engaging in agitation. So this is the kind of Reichstag thing that people tend to talk about with respect to the Nazis, but this is the case where it really is people dressed up as communists being blamed for agitation, justifying a change in government.
00:21:26
Speaker
Yes, I think there's that thing in left-wing circles, that or in sort of activist circles, where any time someone comes along trying to accelerate, trying to be more daring to... to arm up to to take to the streets, it's like, yeah, that dude's a cop. And that that that comes out of, I think, the sort of stuff like this, because yeah, starting on the 19th of August,
00:21:54
Speaker
a bunch of paid infiltrators started pretending pretending to be members of this Tudor party, the Communist Party, went out saying, hey, it's it's it's it's a revolution, the Communist revolution, take to the streets. And so then the real members got the real members out onto the streets. So now you have this mixture of the actual Communist Party being riled up by by the agitators.
00:22:17
Speaker
um And they just started rioting basically, destroying looting businesses, destroying shops, getting rid of anything that's smacked of capitalism. um So then another group of paid infiltrators now pretending to be from the other side came out and started fighting against them. So ied me like by getting infiltrators on both sides they managed to stir up this great big conflict um against, you know, of people who had been convinced, yes it's time for a communist revolution and then people on the other side were convinced, hey these guys are trying to do a communist revolution, better get out there and stop them. Yeah, so you're playing both sides off against one another.
00:22:57
Speaker
So apparently the CIA had hired two of the biggest gangsters of the South Tehran ghetto, one Icy Ramadan and Brainless Shabar. That's some good gangster names.
00:23:07
Speaker
Yes, although you do have to worry. did you you call Brainless Shabar to his face? I don't know if that's yeah that's what he was known as. I'm not sure. Maybe it means something different in Persian.
00:23:17
Speaker
Yeah, it might be it might might be a very funny joke, it just doesn't translate well to English at all. So then the army comes up being led by General Zahedi, the one who claims he is now is the legitimate Prime Minister. They fought back against the communists. And also the communists in scare quotes. The communists both real and fake.
00:23:38
Speaker
um So now the army is taken to to to the streets in support of Sahadee. They end up shelling or a tank fires around into Masadek's house and he's like, okay, this is this is getting a bit hairy.
00:23:53
Speaker
So he goes on the run. but eventually gave himself up and and refused to, actually to his credit, refused to pour more fuel on the fires. he He could have tried to rally his supporters and said, no, no, there's been enough bloodshed already. That'll that's the that'll do Also, it's not entirely clear that he knows who's doing the agitation at this stage. So, from his perspective, there really is homegrown revolution on the streets. And it's going, well, the best thing for the country, given the turmoil back at home, and given a...
00:24:31
Speaker
and engaged in some autocratic behavior recently as stepped back. Presumably, if he was a aware the CIA were basically playing both sides of the revolution, there might be more of a, no, no, no, this needs to be sorted out. This is this is foreign interference in our government here.
00:24:51
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, coup version 2.0 is a success. By the end of the day, Zahadi and the army are in control of the government. The Shah then comes back from wherever he had scuttled off to, officially appoints Zahedi as the Prime Minister.
Iran: From Coup to Revolution
00:25:08
Speaker
Sadik is put on trial and convicted, sentenced to death, but then that's overturned by the Shah. and And instead he did three years in prison and in-house arrest for the rest of his life. I don't know if that's...
00:25:20
Speaker
a case of executing was probably going to rile up his supporters more, so let's not do that, or Ned LaShire gets to look all nice and benevolent. Well, i mean it is I mean, if you look at Machiavelli's The Prince, this is precisely what he recommends.
00:25:36
Speaker
someone should do in that situation. she's So extreme kindness to your, well, either you do all of your bad things in a very short amount of time or you show grace to your enemies immediately in order to make even your enemies go, oh, this person is not so bad after all. Yes, maybe we should just should just accept the new state of affairs.
00:26:00
Speaker
um And so that was that. Iran went from a country with a democratically elected leader whose
00:26:11
Speaker
interests did not align with those of the US to a country ruled by prime minister had been appointed by the royalty. um And this has all been set up so that they' would have someone who would be pro-US and UK in their interests.
00:26:28
Speaker
um And i did so everything worked out nicely and that was the end of it. Yeah, and Iran has been a moniker state ever since and fiercely loyal to the... Except, of course, you know we're lying because we've already we've already spoken about the consequences what happened after. Yes, so 26 years later. That state of affairs state remained until 1979, but then eventually there was another revolution and Iran became the Islamic Republic under Ayatollah Khomeini.
00:26:58
Speaker
and And obviously, eight as we say, virulently anti-West, religious, what's the word? It's not dictatorship. Fundamentalist. Fundamentalist, yeah. I mean, and the the odd thing about Iran is that, of course, it actually has very good reason to be anti-the West, because with the transition from the Shah to the Ayatollah, ayatollah at least within Iran,
00:27:26
Speaker
What had happened had become quite self-evident. The US had interfered with Iranian politics, leading to the imposition of an effective monarch over the state, which indicated that for many Iranians this was an illegitimate government anyway.
00:27:45
Speaker
And thus they moved away from going back to, say, democratic norms to eventually going towards the religious extremism. Now, once again, It's a lot more complicated than that due to the way that the religious extremists seize control of Iran anyway. But then, consequent to that, we've of course had the situation of what's going
Iran's Nuclear Tensions
00:28:08
Speaker
on now. And what's going on now is that Iran has a nuclear program.
00:28:14
Speaker
Their claim is they're working on a nuclear program for power generation and power generation alone. The US and some other member states of the United Nations are going, no, no, no, no. This is a nuclear program for the development of weapons because they are producing visible material that could be used in bombs.
00:28:38
Speaker
Iran's response to this is, well, that's actually just a natural consequence of running a nuclear program. You will be generating stockpiles of physical material that could be used in weapons, but that's not the aim of the program. The program is domestic power generation, so we're not so reliant on oil, et cetera, et cetera.
00:28:58
Speaker
And under the Obama administration, a kind of... treaty was made between Iran and the West that there were going to be regular inspections of things, lifting of embargoes, in order to allow Iran to kind of come back into the global community was also double checking that their claim about domestic power of generation was in fact on the up.
00:29:25
Speaker
And in the first Trump administration, Trump basically tore up that agreement, which then led to Iran going, well look, we're going to kick out all of the people who are inspecting our nuclear power plants because we had an agreement and part of that was lifting of embargoes. Trump has cancelled lifting of those embargoes, reasserted them, so we're just going to go back to doing our own thing.
00:29:51
Speaker
And so part of the issue now is that the Trump regime is going, oh, Iran is this really obstinate state. We're very afraid they're going to be producing nuclear. What happens? They won't let us look at what they're doing domestically.
00:30:04
Speaker
And Iran is going, well, i mean, we were. We actually were and you tore up that agreement and now you're punishing us for the agreement that you tore up.
00:30:16
Speaker
Which is also then leading to an Iranian regime which is further excluded from the global community, leading to the kind of harsh policies you get at home in situations like that, leading to the protests in Iran at this time. But a lot of the blame as to what's going on now actually goes back to 2016 and that first Trump term.
00:30:42
Speaker
And of course there's the North Korea of it all. North Korea has shown that actually, you know, a nuclear nuclear nuclear weapons means people are going to think twice before invading you. And if you're a country that's worried you might be invaded, there is quite a, it seems now, quite a strong incentive.
00:30:59
Speaker
You know, it's...
00:31:02
Speaker
It's a strong incentive to have nuclear weapons and strong disincentive to be seen to be developing nuclear weapons yes because they don't want to be get into the first situation. so And of course there's the concern that there's at least one other country in the near vicinity to Iran that does have nuclear weapons.
00:31:18
Speaker
And you want to go, we need to guard against them striking us because they are, let's say, a rather volatile country at this stage. is Israel, they are neither confirmed nor denied. Yeah, they are neither confirmed nor denied, but they've they've confirmed in the sense of making the kind of veiled threat you only make if you've got the weapons to launch.
00:31:42
Speaker
But anyway, yeah returning to the original coup, highly conspired and and a bunch of good old fashioned false flags. It's been a while since we've seen a decent false flag. As in the podcast. We're not saying there are any decent false false flags. False flags are usually pretty bad things. I mean i guess and and when we were fighting the Nazis, false flags against Nazis, like like convincing Hitler about to invade Norway again. Multiple times.
00:32:10
Speaker
Yes, yes, but I mean in this case you have actual people who've been bribed by the US to pretend to be people riling up the opposite side and then people on the opposite side being paid to go along with it. It's all very, very, not, I want to say the definition of a false flag, it's not the definition of a false flag because they're not at sea putting up different things to, to to but but yeah, it's a very good example of one. Yes, yeah. um And that's, I know we've come to the end of our notes. We have, which is, I mean, that is the end of an episode of the podcast's Guide to the Conspiracy as held in person in the suburb of Auckland known as Takapuna. Josh, how often do you come to Takapuna?
00:32:58
Speaker
ah Very seldom. it's it's It's a trip over the bridge unless... um Well, I suppose um my i do um my my in-laws are over on the shore so if we're visiting them, but that good involves going past Takapuna, not to it.
00:33:13
Speaker
to it Yes, it's actually a place that I don't want. I mean, I i live in Guangzhou, China, so don't visit Takapuna particularly much, but there is a good vegan cafe here with delicious food it really was and good coffee. Although Josh can't comment on the coffee. He's a hot hot chocolate drinker and that is not a euphemism. Nope, not me anyway.
00:33:34
Speaker
So, um when are you back? Right, so I go down to Capitol on Tuesday, and then I'm back on the 21st.
00:33:47
Speaker
Right, that may be... a So we get least one thing recorded in between, i get because I leave then on the 1st of March, so there's there's a good ah could eight or nine days that we can try and slot something in.
00:34:03
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Yes, so we'll manage to get another in-person recording. Maybe we'll be eating something again at the time. Maybe we won't. Or maybe. um I mean, our our grand plan, although it require very specialised technology, doing the podcast while snorkelling.
00:34:19
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Mm. I mean it's not impossible, we just need some very specialised and probably expensive gear. Or we just have to admit the sound quality quality is going to be really really quite... good really carefully v careful is good to comes from of you and with me remember very happy everywhere repair i'm sure there'll be some people who are into that, but no.
00:34:39
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so yeah we We can't say exactly when the next episode will be, but it won't be too long. yeah And then once I return back to China, oddly enough, we can actually return back to a fairly standard schedule. yeah Once we're on opposite sides of the planet, things get much easier. Yes, also, i mean the fact that I'm on holiday and doing holiday-related things means I just keep zipping around the country. Went down to Christchurch, now I'm going to go down to Wellington, going to come up from Wellington to Hamilton, which is all south of Auckland, to do a workshop. So, you know, there's it's it's fun, it's frolics, it's international travel in a local sense. Yes.
00:35:19
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ah So that brings this episode to a close. We of course will have a bonus episode for our patrons. Maybe should should we take to the streets? Should we do a peripatetic episode? Oh, epiode yes. Maybe we can go down to the waterfront. Yes, something like that. Gaze upon the the ocean as the ocean gazes back at us. Yes, so we'll take the air.
00:35:40
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and come up with something to talk to our our um opponents. I'm sorry, opponents? Opponents? Sorry, I'm reading through the notes as I do this. Who are our opponents? Our um proponents, our patrons.
00:35:55
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I'm reading it on our notes to what we're talking about. We're locked in a kind eternal battle with our patrons. They just keep giving us money and we can't stop them. Although we try. We do. we try We're very trying. Yeah. But no, that'll do for now.
00:36:11
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00:36:25
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