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S2 E17: Reconstituted Protein Powder
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Uncle Dan is back to guide the rest of the children in maintaining a modicum of decorum...though it doesn't work... and we're joined by a very special guest, Ignatius Penny-Feather the 9th (who sounds suspiciously like Chris!).
Beers reviewed this episode:
1) Fixation Brewing Co - The 86 - NEIPA - 6.2% 2) New England Brewing Co - Citrus Stranger - NEIPA - 6.2% 3) Batch Brewing Co (Small Batch) - Tango Pacific Ale - Pale Ale - 4.7% 4) Batch Brewing Co - Method Man-darin - Sour Ale - 4.2%
Thanks as always to Justin Gonzales for the amazing metal intro-outro. And of course our fans, we love you guys!
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Introduction: Pixels and Pints Podcast
00:00:17
Speaker
Pixels and Pints. Welcome back to another episode of Pixels and Pints where we're going to talk about some pop-cultury stuff and drink some craft beers and talk about them as well. I'm joined by Tom. Hello. And Pete. Hello. And Dan. Hi. And I am Ignatius Pennyfeather the 9th.
00:00:37
Speaker
Hello. You've been waiting to say that, haven't you? I was so pumped to do the intro. I was boiling inside you. Been watching fucking Brooklyn Nine-Nine still. I'm still in the middle of like up to like season five. For like the sixth time I've watched it. And yeah, that was one of the episodes today. And I was like, that's what I'll do.
00:00:56
Speaker
That was the look before he went to the bathroom. He was trying to remember the name. He had one of those mischievous looks on his face when he went to the bathroom a minute ago. Hey, I didn't fuck up the intro though this time. It was pretty fucking smooth. He got through the whole thing. Yeah, it was pretty good.
00:01:12
Speaker
We've got Uncle Dan back, so we're going to have to be on our best behavior again. As long as you don't splice the previous conversation into these. And Dan's got a couple of beers in front of him while he finishes his biggie juice.
Tasting Craft Beers and Brewery Insights
00:01:26
Speaker
What have we got, Dan?
00:01:27
Speaker
What are we starting with? We've got, oh, well actually, yeah, we'll start with this one. The 86, freshly hatched from fixation. It's a, excuse me, a hazy IPA of some form. Cool. That is about Simcoe, Mosay, Galaxy. There's a lot of words on the back, but doesn't really talk about the beers, just talks about what they're doing. Freshly hatched is a series of one-off IPAs born out of our home, the incubator. Oh, is that what they're calling the,
00:02:01
Speaker
6.2% yeah, okay. Yep 6.2% hazy up here. I'll pour it. What's this about? An incubator? What? It's not the incubator we were just talking about with reconstituted protein. No.
00:02:17
Speaker
No, that's the name of Fixations. Little venue down in Melbourne. Ah, the little venue. Wasn't it the size of a fucking football stadium? No, it's Moondog. Moondog World, baby. Moondog World. I wanted to go to Moondog World on Saturday, but I got a little caught up after the Woeful Grand Final. Yeah, which you should have not worried about going to and come and seen Apocalyptica.
00:02:43
Speaker
Yes, probably. No, no, gotta support them. Even if they lose, gotta support them. There's plenty in that can still too.
Spider-Man's MCU Journey
00:02:50
Speaker
Well, start pouring it around. So who's firing off this evening? Not me. I keep getting told to shut the fuck up. So someone else- I told you to shut the fuck up once. And that was like four weeks ago. I think it's been a couple of times or in that time, it was a couple of times in that same episode, one or the other. You weren't even here for the last time. I'll start. Why not? Cool.
00:03:13
Speaker
I just decided that. Very smooth. Put your foot down Tom. We're all fucking tired. Yeah. I'm fucking exhausted. I'm substituting beer for coffee.
00:03:24
Speaker
I will, well, exciting news this week, Spider-Man's back. Spider-Man's come back in the MCU. We all thought it would probably happen, but it's good that they- We were praying it would happen. We were praying. It happened a lot sooner than what I thought it was. It was going to happen. I don't think it was a stunt. I don't think it was a publicity stunt. I mean, it got publicity, but I don't think it was a stunt. There's nothing out for it to benefit having that conversation. The home release? They'll be coming out soon.
00:03:50
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It popped up on the PlayStation Network two days ago. Far From Home. Far From Home, which I had like two weeks ago. We'll just give Pete a minute to digest that and work out where out of the 20 something. Far From Home is the second Spider-Man movie. Spider-Man is Marvel. You digest that for just a couple more minutes. Disney owns Marvel. The red one, right? Yeah. The Spider-Man dude.
00:04:17
Speaker
I'm just wondering, cause I only saw it recently. I'm wondering, I didn't see the cinemas. So it would have been released on 4k some time ago then. I don't know about 4k, but no, it's not out yet. Is it? I'll go check my collection in a minute. I've had it for a while, but maybe Addis downloaded that through other means legally, of course, but just advanced versions of them from some other country. I love how Tom clarified legally. Yes. But yes, they are back.
00:04:46
Speaker
He's back and it was kind of interesting what they were saying. They'll bring him back for the third of the Tom Holland Spider-Man's and then
00:04:57
Speaker
They made it sound like Sony would
Marvel Speculations and Collaborations
00:04:59
Speaker
then take it off in a new direction, but Marvel could still use him. Use Spider-Man in the MCU. So the question really is, is Holland going to be staying on a Spider-Man post the third movie? I reckon for the MCU shit he will be, and then they'll just pick another Spider-Man. Yes, he's doing a shit again. Yes. I feel- Every fucking time. Spider-Man Far From Home came out yesterday. Okay.
00:05:21
Speaker
I must have sent it to the cinemas. Oh, wait a minute. Today. October 1st. I must have sent it to the cinemas then. Well, because I haven't pirated anything in fucking ages. Well, cool. Due to sheer laziness. But not any kind of in principle issue with stealing IP. Nice. Because piracy hurts. I don't think that... You wouldn't steal a car.
00:05:40
Speaker
That's definitely showing our age. That's also a Brooklyn Nine-Nine episode as well, where the German guy wants to eat. The German guy puts out a fucking Lonely Hearts ad to eat someone. That was a real theme. Yeah, yeah. Ramstein wrote a fucking song about it.
00:06:04
Speaker
Not like their last abortion song. Yeah. And the dude that actually... Their last song about an abortion or the last abortion? That was the... I want to abort. He hates kids. Yeah. I hate kids. I'm not going to sing it. It was just the lead singer. It wasn't Ramstein. It was just the lead singer. Till. Yeah. Yeah. It was just, it was his one of his last solo album. The...
00:06:25
Speaker
It was like skills and pills or something like that. But yeah, there was a, there was an abortion song. And I highly recommend that if you, if your moral compass is, is wavering some, some, yeah, listen to it or not.
00:06:40
Speaker
But yeah. That fixation IPA is really good. Hazy up here. It's going straight on the back of drinking the feral biggie juice that it like, it holds its, it holds its own really, really well. It's really good. Super fruity. Yeah. And still got some hops there. It's nice and hoppy. It's certainly hazy.
00:07:02
Speaker
How's the astringency? Seriously? There's no astringency in there. There's a frozen song coming up if you keep that shit up. Any residual sugars in there?
00:07:13
Speaker
Actually, that's probably why I do like it a lot is it's one of the few that are out on the market at the moment that will seem to come into my hands that doesn't have lactose in it. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. And I fucking... We've been over lactating lately. You're absolutely right. We have massively been over lactating. You guys had the one last time that had the sour that had lactose in it. That was the co-conspirator... Co-conspirators.
00:07:40
Speaker
No, that was, yeah, that was the lactose sour. Yeah. Yeah. We drank it. We did. We enjoyed it. Spider-Man. Spider-Man. Oh, that's it. It's, he's back. We'll get a, we'll finally get, we'll get a third movie. Was there any, any, so I, I heard about it, but I didn't read any articles about it. No other real news. Any information about the politics that went on behind the scenes there? They'll be taken 25%. So they were taken 5% as we've discussed before, they were taken 5%. Let's make some more choice. They wanted 50 and they went down to 25.
00:08:11
Speaker
Not exactly, no. But they're basically... I'm just happy that Andrew Garfield remains the only Spider-Man that didn't get a third movie.
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah. He shouldn't have got that fucking second movie. That was a terrible fucking movie. That was, that was deplorable shit. That was on par with being as bad as Topher grace. Who's Topher grace Pete? I don't know. Really shitty venom. Right. Oh yes. Now I remember a small, weedy that 70 show venom really fucking stupid and yet still better than GIJ.
00:08:47
Speaker
No shots fired really Because no because there is another GI Joe movie coming out Which will make you know you actually reminded me then from that scene in Clerks 2 is like the fucking
X-Men Film Series Analysis
00:09:00
Speaker
go-bots No, they're like the the k-mart fucking transform
00:09:04
Speaker
It's fine to like shitty movies as long as you can admit that they're shitty movies, man. There's nothing wrong with that. But there is another G.I. Joe movie coming out and it is Snake Eyes and it's going to be awesome if Ben was here as much as he would detest the conversation about G.I. Joe being a movie.
00:09:28
Speaker
You're going to get all the pussy, man. But anyway, moving on from G.I. Joe. Thank God. You, you wait. This one's going to be really good and you're all going to be like, you were right. We need to start before they even start releasing trailers and cast less. We need to be putting money on this and we need to come up with some criteria that we'll keep a pot up on the board. I think.
00:09:55
Speaker
Yeah, I reckon it's gonna be fucking great. You heard it here folks. I do like your optimism at times, but yeah, yeah, no, it's gonna be fucking shit.
00:10:07
Speaker
We'll see. Sure. Next topic. Wait a minute. Are we finished? Spider-Man's back. There isn't really any information about it. I'm curious what they're going to do with Venom. I wish Fargy would get his hands on the whole, the whole Venom carnage, the whole lot. I reckon they're going to hang on to that shit because they are, there is another Venom sequel happening and it is obviously going to have Woody Harrelson. Yeah, Woody Harrelson.
00:10:31
Speaker
It made money, but not because it was good. I mean, look, G.I. Joe got a second movie, not because it was good, but because it made the fucking money because everyone wants to see, you know, like Venom, for example, everyone wants to see Venom in a fucking movie. So yeah, of course, everyone's going to go watch it. I actually read an interesting article about the, I think it was the top 10 Marvels, Marvel superheroes that whether or not they would get their ass handed to them. So whether or not they could defeat or would die from carnage.
00:10:58
Speaker
It was an interesting list. It was like a top 10 list. Probably because they're doing a series at the moment called Absolute Carnage, and he's like killing off characters. So I was thinking if they ever needed to get rid of some of the Avengers, then Carnage could tear through quite a few of them, although they've recently killed themselves, but took it off clips anyway. You won't see... No, you won't see permadeath frequently in that series anyway. You won't see Carnage pop up into an Avengers movie.
00:11:21
Speaker
No. Or even Venom. I think if anything you might see Punisher pop up in an Avengers movie. And he would also work in a Venom movie. Yeah he would. They need to keep those ground level guys together. I think we've spoken about this before. Yeah we have. Carnage is a pretty hardcore fucking ground level guy though. Yeah I am.
00:11:40
Speaker
But he also had his own little sinister six mob for quite some time as well. Like he had- I meant more Punisher out of the Avengers. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But he was always a dude that would sort of pop in and out of everyone else's stories at the disapproval of whoever that like, you know, whether it was X-Men or Avengers, because they're the whole, we
Violence in Media: Film and Games
00:12:02
Speaker
don't want to kill people and stuff. And, and he's like, nah, yeah, we do. He's a bit of a psycho, that guy. Too late. They're dead now.
00:12:09
Speaker
He's a villain though. Carnage. No, I'm talking about Punisher. But yeah, Carnage is very much a villain. I was wondering what the fuck you were talking about, but you went back to Punisher. Like the first one or two books of maximum carnage, he's going through fucking Central Park. And he literally kills two old people sitting on a park bench. Yeah, he was in a car. He goes through the windscreen. Yeah, you're right. Maybe he's fucking maxi's old. So yeah, he's very much a bad dude.
00:12:38
Speaker
But he even killed a couple of people in his own crew as well, like some of the some of the members of his own crew. So I'm sure he's killed a baby somewhere along the lines. Yeah, probably. They do taste the best. So segue from Marvel. So I read some interesting news and there isn't really any information yet beyond the fact that they've announced it, that Marvel have signed a deal with Games Workshop to do comics. I wondered where your Marvel went to 40K.
00:13:03
Speaker
Yeah, so they haven't actually stated whether or not it's going to be Warhammer comics or Warhammer 40K comics, but I could just see Marble doing some mad 40K shit.
00:13:14
Speaker
So Space Marines. I'd read it. Massive shoulder. I mean, there's so much fucking content. It's the size of a small human. Yeah. But also the progenitor gene and the apothecaries going through the battlefield stealing, or taking the genetic code from fallen Space Marines to produce the next generation. There's so much cool backstory there that they could work with. I feel that Image Comics would probably be a better fit than Marvel for stuff like that.
00:13:43
Speaker
But for what they've released a 40K in coming in as an absolute novice on this other than seeing pictures. How graphically violent is the
00:13:56
Speaker
media that's out there already. It depends on the media. So the video game, the space marine first person shooter was like first person gore, violent. It gets pretty full on. Proper full on violent. Yeah. The Tyranids. Depends on the race as well. At least Starship Troopers style. The fucking chaos dudes. Yeah. They like ripped dudes up and fucking adorned their, their vehicles. There's more of others and shit. That's not humans doing evil. That's alien.
00:14:24
Speaker
Oh no, there's plenty of that too. I mean, so the chaos space Marines are human space Marines that have been twisted by the war, but you've got a whole grouping of them that literally rape as part of their fucking, their thing. That's nice and fancy. The full gamut is what I'm saying. On that side of it then, I probably agree with Chris and that image would probably do a better job of it. Unless they did Marble Max.
00:14:48
Speaker
I don't think they're going to do this in a comic. It's not the direction I think they're going to want to come. No, no, but just in terms of the actual, the artistry and the writing, Wild Storm, who's a top cow, is another brand as well that used to do some really cool shit. I think, and I'm going to have my information wrong.
00:15:11
Speaker
but back in the day i think jim lee and a couple of dudes created this really awesome sci-fi series this is probably late 90s early 2000s and i've been trying to find these books for ages but i cannot remember the name of the comic book series but they were all like
00:15:28
Speaker
you know, massive boots, big gauntlets, all that shit. But it was space. It was all very space oriented and this superhero group had their costumes which were made up of like nanobots and they would be able to sort of create an augment, the big suits that they were in. But it was essentially an X-Men, but for a completely different publishing house. So it was just a completely different take.
00:15:53
Speaker
but they were all humans in these gnarly, gnarly suits. The dudes that did Witchblade, who did Witchblade? Does anybody know? Dark Horse, was it? Dark Horse or Image or one of the others? Because you had Dark Horse, Image and Top Cow did all the, they're all like, were the more underground shit back when Spawn just came into it. And a lot of the stuff that I used to read as well, but for the life of me,
00:16:21
Speaker
I've got to say I'm somewhat surprised they haven't actually tried, as in Games Workshop, haven't tried to penetrate the cinematic world and make movies out of their content. And maybe Space Marines as a concept wouldn't translate too well to screen given the caricature armour that they wear. I absolutely think that it would. I think that the main reason why they haven't done it is because Games Workshop don't want to share their IP with anybody.
00:16:49
Speaker
Yeah. They're so fucking secure about, you know. You're right. They've been, they've always been famously bad for the ban hammer and people have run their own websites just putting their own painting up and they put one reference image that they use to say, look at the tank I painted and look at the reference image. And the whole site gets taken down with a cease and desist notice from lawyers. They're fucking asshole.
00:17:10
Speaker
12 year old painting a tank for Christ sake like chances are they've they've done the whole we'll let you make this movie but we earn all the rights and we get all the profits and you guys get fuck all and you know it's gonna be interesting to work with these UK stop saying that word sorry UK no I'm not K no it's it's I don't know it's gonna be interesting to see what happens because when you think about it we're in an age now where we're very very close to being able to just steal it
00:17:39
Speaker
What am I, a fucking dog? Just continue talking. Like, why do you need to break the fucking, the flow? Because some whistle at me. That's why. Oh, there we go. No, I gotta drive. You guys finish it.
00:17:53
Speaker
Yeah, but I mean, look, we're in an age now where if your market, if your entire product is 3D plastic miniatures where you can go to Officeworks and spend $400 on a 3D plastic printer that's almost at the quality now that you could print those models to the same quality that they're pumping
Craft Beers: Flavors and Techniques
00:18:12
Speaker
out.
00:18:12
Speaker
Sounds like that'd be better. Your days are fucking limited, right? It might be even just a whole toy thing. All right, well, Marvel do comics and there's toys of all of their stuff. So let's do some comics and make some toys and throw it out into the mainstream, get more people involved in GW shit. But we're still not going to share our.
00:18:29
Speaker
Fucking IP with anyone so we'll get another chunk of the market that we're but I've read not gonna share So I've read books some 40k books that was set almost exclusively on their space hulks flying through space amazing stuff is free pre heresy so pre you know massive war that sets the scene for the 40k universe and just to just to interrupt there also they're written by the dudes that
00:18:51
Speaker
Write the magazine publications like they do the reviews of the figures and the games that are coming out. They aren't even.
00:19:00
Speaker
Oh, no, for the mainstay, their Horace Heresy series of novels are written by proper novelists, but they're not. But they're novelists that haven't written other stuff. They were born and bred into the Citadel universe, and that's all they've ever written. And they're fucking good. They're good. No, they are. Forget the University of Sydney, forget K.I.P. They are well-written novels. Now, I've just tried to find whatever the Jim Lee comic was, but I've tried to find it off your description.
00:19:29
Speaker
Like your memory description. Because I have no mental image of anything and I'm not coming up with anything. I found lots of G.I. Joe references in there though. This is subliminal messaging. I will try and find it on the next topic that I'm not a part of and I reckon you'll fucking see it. You do it in the next break. It doesn't matter. I just thought I'd be able to find it quick but it was an amazing series and one of, you remember Matt Brimfield from school?
00:19:56
Speaker
Yeah. He had the entire, cause we were collecting like parallel comic series and that was his particular series and I would borrow them all the time and they were, the artwork was insane. Back when CG was first starting to be used in comic books. Computer colouring. Digital colouring. Yeah. So, and effects. So it was like,
00:20:19
Speaker
well, there's a fucking lens flare in a comic book. That's insane. Like I remember that late nineties that started to come in gradients and shit like that. And it was, it was really cool. Um, but this TV, this, this series, um, and it would actually make a really good TV series or movie, but it was super well written. It was very much X-Men, but full on sci-fi hardcore sci-fi, but on earth. That's not quite earth type thing. So anyway, yeah, it was good fun.
00:20:47
Speaker
Tell us something, Dan. We'll work it out. Anything you like. You've had DP on the board for a while. Dan does DP. Dark Phoenix. I finally watched Dark Phoenix. I still haven't seen it. I've acquired it, but I still haven't watched it. You've acquired it legally. I never said that. We'll talk about it when you- I think I'm going to watch it this weekend. It's done.
00:21:13
Speaker
Don't bother. Nah, I feel like I have to. Yeah. Just finish it out. It's, it's, it's, it's two hours. It's not good, but it's not horrendously bad either. But it's just finished. No, I want to watch it because I want to see how it compares to the other dark things. Just finish. That's the only reason you close the book. You've closed the book on those X-Men and done. Go for it. I still think the first movie was pretty good.
00:21:41
Speaker
The first what? The first two. The first X-Men movie. First X-Men movie. Yeah. First two X-Men movie. And in fact, I enjoyed first class as well when that first came out. X-1 and X-2 were great. Fuck first class. X-3 was not great.
00:21:57
Speaker
Right. But there was some pretty relaxed way to put it. But yeah, all right. There was some amazing things that they did in that movie. Right. With the whole
Matrix Series: Themes and Legacy
00:22:06
Speaker
and it wasn't really a bit the whole Geonosian cure thing that, you know, I was a Janosha or Muir Island in the comic books that they thought they had the facility that they were creating. Well, Janosha was the prison cure.
00:22:21
Speaker
Yeah. So they had that sort of element of the... I think it was Muir Island. Muir Island, yeah, yeah. Probably one of the best parts of that movie was Magneto and the fucking bridge, moving the bridge across. The best part of that movie was Kelsey Grammer in a proper suit. Look, that was proper beast. That was proper beast.
00:22:43
Speaker
But also Wolverine coming up to Phoenix and just getting sort of chewed away by her powers and he's still making his way there and you get to actually see the skeleton. He phoned that one in. His heart wasn't in that one.
00:22:57
Speaker
I reckon there was some scenes. He knew that was a downturn of the three. Everybody did. I think it was Britt Ratner that did that movie, I believe. And it was also like half an hour shorter than the other ones. There was a lot of really cool elements and some cool characters that they introduced. All in all, yeah, it doesn't compare to the first or second movie. The first movie is fucking rad. And then a whole bunch of generic mutant fights at the end.
00:23:22
Speaker
of literally generic mutants. You always knew who the heroes were. And then he kicks you in the nuts. Grow those back. You always knew who the good guys were in the movies because they were all unique. You know how they could have defined the good guys better? By giving them actual costumes. And that's what was fucked about Dark Phoenix, man, is at the end of the movie beforehand, they were all in costumes. They showed the costumes and then they start the movie and they're all like,
00:23:51
Speaker
They've gone back to square fucking one. I actually think Apocalypse was better. I agree. You know, what I do really, this one point I will make about those movies is they nailed Storm. They totally cut her screen time, didn't give her enough lines, but I think she was the most accurate character, more sort of ultimate later on past 2000 Storm with the short hair and that.
00:24:16
Speaker
But I thought I thought she was great as a young storm. She was very G1. She was Generation One type storm as well, because when they did make that change to that storm that you're talking about, it was very much a reflection of the original like the OG 70s, 70s storm with the fucking mohawk.
00:24:34
Speaker
Yeah. I thought she was great. So she was utilized and just, I think in Dark Phoenix, she had like three lines. Yeah. It was fucked. And then in, I think even in apocalypse, she didn't have that many lines either. She was really good. Not enough, but she, she still had that. Cause I mean, she potentially started off as not as a bad guy, but she kind of started off as like a little, you know, street urchin type thing. And
00:24:58
Speaker
I don't know she was doing some bad shit but they're not as a result of apocalypse it was a shadow king that that had her well yeah that was like as a kid before she was actually yeah recognizes a mutant or had any of her powers so they underutilized her in apocalypse but that's they did the same thing to Olivia Munn and her silo character as well.
00:25:20
Speaker
Yeah, see, I didn't actually really remember her that much in Apocalypse. It was completely... I remember they nailed the costume, that was it. They nailed the costume, but she did not belong in that movie or in that environment. I remember at the time thinking she was a little shoehorned in, just for the sake of putting Siloc in there. She was in there for eye candy, man. Yeah.
00:25:44
Speaker
Yeah. Anyway, a lot of the reason why I watched that movie as well. And if you might look awesome, the, we have the new England brewing company, citrus stranger IPA. Uh, it's very multi. It's a lot maltier than I expected it to be. Yeah. The little guys. Um, but it's fine. I don't like saying that about the new England guys. Cause I really liked him. He is.
00:26:11
Speaker
I think it's fine. I mean, it's got a bit of hop character. It's got a bit of malt character. It's got too much residual sweetness in it for my liking. I don't
Terminator vs. Matrix: Technological Comparisons
00:26:19
Speaker
like the sweeter IPAs.
00:26:22
Speaker
Yeah. No, I just like, so I went to the, um, the Mali hotel in new town tonight to pick up the beers. Um, and yeah, I literally was, I was grabbed by the can design. Yeah. It looks cool. What is it? I dunno. That's why I grabbed it. I was going to read the can and see if I said anything about it. I must feel like I need a palate cleanser from the biggie juice I'm drinking because I'm not getting much of anything out of it.
00:26:47
Speaker
There is a bit of fruit and- I can get the twang of some pith. I mean, it's orangy or lemony. You're right. You do get some malt and you get a little bit of hops, but not a lot of hops. I'm surprised. Tangello zest is what you're getting. Tangello, which is- I don't know. It's like a little orange, isn't it? I thought it was a mandarin. I thought a tangello was, anyway. Tangerine? No. It's a tangello. Yeah.
00:27:17
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe it's tangerine jelly. I don't know. I like tangerine jelly. I just can't hear the word tangerine with that thinking of the, was it the, um, the presidents of the United States song? Led Zeppelin. Peaches. No, no. Idiot. That's not what I was thinking of. Fuck you. You can't insult me if you don't know what I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure whatever you're talking about is incorrect.
00:27:42
Speaker
Yeah, you're right about the presidents being Peaches song, but no, there was another song about Tangerine. It was a hair dye. No, you're talking about a fucking song. 80s or 90s music. No, it's 90s. It's a 90s fucking. I know what you're talking about, but no, it is not who you're thinking. I think actually it's called Tangerine.
00:28:06
Speaker
Anyway, I think I know the song we're losing. We're losing people left and right. I know what you're talking about, but you are completely wrong. And it is nothing to do with what the fuck's going on. Yeah. Well, you should have rolled off it better.
00:28:25
Speaker
You'll, you'll never make it to fucking public, public air radio at this rate. Chris, you should go to work with anything thrown at you. I mean, thank God for that. They don't have a, if they miss a single bleep with the C-bomb, you're out. Yeah. Well, station gets burned down. Just as a, yeah. Anyway, um, last of us to go.
00:28:46
Speaker
Oh. You saying that they released the trailer the other day? No. Oh, yeah. It's really probably going to upset Dan when he realizes that we're talking about it. That's right. We can just start and he can jump back in. Fuck him. Truth story. It's real Ellie focused by the looks of it. Yeah, OK. Trailer. Just fair enough, really, given the storyline in the first movie. Yeah. First game. Fucking, how many beers have I had? Carry on. I don't know. What have you been doing all day?
00:29:14
Speaker
Working, drinking, lately. It's the same thing, isn't it? I don't know. You guys work at bars. I want to know what's going on. So yes. So the trailer is, um, is, is 90% or more. 95% is just about Ellie and her journey. Um, so you catch up with her. There's gotta be a, some sort of time jump. Um, not sure how far between the two games you are.
00:29:44
Speaker
How much older does he look in the trial? Uh, 10 years, a bit less, I reckon. Yeah. Um, she's got a few tats. Yeah. There's like a whole, whole town. That's, um, like a functioning town that she lives and works in. Um, so she's, I think basic storyline looks like that she goes out on a patrol.
00:30:08
Speaker
They get lost in a blizzard, run into a rival group, lose some people, and that starts her whole journey. And she goes on a journey of revenge. So they might sort of, so you, yeah, okay. So you can have other survivors and groups that you're going to be dealing with as well. Yeah, I think so.
00:30:27
Speaker
Yeah, well, such a big part of the first one was the character interaction. I mean, you always had Joel and Ellie together. Yeah. Looks like Ellie's more on her own in this one, but you do see. I don't know. Like, you see the whole trailer that seems like that, but then at the very end, like, she's about to walk out and there's like a bunch of people and like, she's out, outgunned. And you see someone like grab her around the mouth and this cuts to Joel. Joel. He's like, you didn't think I was going to let you do this all alone, did you?
00:30:54
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That's a really bad job always, but I can't remember. He's more gravelly. There is also the thought that he might be a post-traumatic hallucination. He's always with her, but I say that in quotation marks.
00:31:13
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because in that first one, it was in that very first trailer where she's playing the guitar, it's blatantly Joel that walks into the house. And everybody that's played Last of Us knows it's Joel, the silhouette, the voice, everything, they know it's Joel, but you don't see his face. Cause he's backlit by the light coming through the door and he's just a black silhouette. So there was talks that, yeah, he's a post-traumatic hallucination. So he's- But he's aged significantly.
00:31:38
Speaker
Yeah, but that might've been the age that he died at the last time she saw him. I wouldn't put it past me. That would be an interesting way to take the game, especially if you're looking for new ways to move the game on as well. As long as I don't make him do like a...
00:31:56
Speaker
Hey, listen, like when you need to go fucking on something. Hey, if you need to jump, press S. Hold R2 and forward in order to run. Wasn't the little fairy that you had in Ocarina of Time, didn't it make noises over things to pick up or somewhere to go? Yeah, would like sort of- Yeah, Navi. Navi. Buzz and fizz and shit, wouldn't it not? Was that that game? Yeah, it made like little bell sounds. Okay, Pete's illegally playing music over the podcast. Probably is actually.
00:32:26
Speaker
unless we're describing that, what are you playing? We did, we did describe it. That's the fucking Tangerine song. What's the fucking, who is it? The Flaming Lips, she don't use jelly. She doesn't use jelly. She says Vaseline, not Tangerine. No, it does, she doesn't. She likes her hair to be real orange, she uses tangerine. It is a line in the song later on. Ooh, cake.
00:32:54
Speaker
Yeah, actually we can't really probably play too much on the podcast. Absolutely not. But we did make a comment on it, so I think we're legit okay with the copyright laws. Descriptive purposes. Descriptive purposes. Sorry, I hijacked your Last of Us chat. No, no, you didn't. And I fucked you all over with my Bluetooth, yo.
00:33:11
Speaker
What is this witchcraft? That'll be something that I look forward to. Cause I'm actually want to play the remastered version they did of last of us as well. Oh, you just missed it. It was free last month. It was this month. This month. Yes. Oh, the next one coming last month. Dark Sinus.
00:33:27
Speaker
So that was the other one I added. Fuck, are we on to another month already? It's October the first today, Chris. It's next week, I think. If you haven't got Darkseid, it's three. No, it's definitely this week that it's October the first. No, I get that. No, but I think they released the next month, next week. You've got a couple of days leeway. Yeah. It's like the, usually the fifth or sixth or something like that. The only way to play that game is on Survivor.
00:33:54
Speaker
I agree. Yeah. And I never even got through it. I got three quarters of the way through it. Fuck it was difficult. The first one last of us. Uh, I am still talking until I'm on the podcast. Yeah. I haven't just fallen asleep. Yes. Uh, it is extremely difficult on survivor, but the best thing about that is you fuck up and like they've got it cordoned off into areas, sections. Uh, but as soon as you fuck up and die, you're back in two seconds later.
00:34:23
Speaker
Yeah, there's no fucking around. There's no fucking load time, so playing it on that hardest version that isn't punishing because you fuck it up, you go, okay, radio, 10 seconds later, less than 10 seconds, you're back in and you're trying again. You say that and yet there are scenes where, actually, is Survivor the hardest? Survivor's the hardest, yeah. Okay, so that was the one I was playing it on. So it's the fourth, so there was the three, and then when you finished it, the first time you unlocked it, but the remaster, it's unlocked straight away. Yeah, and I only ever played it remastered. That's grounded.
00:34:52
Speaker
Grounded? Is it grounded? Sorry. Survivor's the next one up, is it? No, grounded's the hardest one. Yeah. Right. I'm pretty sure I played it. Sorry, grounded is the only way to play it. Yeah. What's the main differences between that difficulty? They had, in the lower version or the easier versions, you've got like... More ammo. The Assassin's Creed, like Eagle Vision, where it's called hearing and you can hear the, you can see through walls.
00:35:18
Speaker
Basically. Yeah, that's what I was playing. More supplies, more ammo, basically one hit kills you and them. Yeah. So the ammo was what fucked me quite regularly. And I have to conserve it. The bottom of the skyscraper when there's like the first big guy, that controller almost went out the window. The first bloater? The first bloater was in the school.
00:35:46
Speaker
No, no, no. The first clicker. Well, there was there's a scene in the skyscraper that I distinctly remember. There's a box in the middle of the fucking screen and you come around the corner and a clicker comes after you. And I'm sure there's a second one. No, it's like this part. There's there's four or five clickers and you have to try and navigate this little maze to get through it. And I just remember like.
00:36:06
Speaker
restarting up bazillion fucking times. Yeah, that was fucking annoying. The school, the first blow with the school was that just after you come through the barn and there's a fucking- Yeah, it's the basketball court. And you've got to, yeah, just keep doing- Just that memory really, I mean, sorry, that game really sticks in your memory, doesn't it? Some of those fucking scenes are just so epic. And especially when you play it on the hardest difficulty, because it takes you so many times and you've got to fucking think your way through it, but you've got to always be moving.
00:36:34
Speaker
If you stop in that game, you are dead. To me, that game is as close to the original feeling I've got from The Walking Dead as any games have become. And then The Walking Dead just went on for way too many years. Lost its way. Yep. It wasn't about zombies anymore. It's season 10 is about to come out or something. Season 10? I thought they were going to finish it at eight.
00:36:56
Speaker
Oh, I think I'm pretty sure it said season 10. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's 10. Yeah. I fear the walking dead was actually a pretty interesting TV season and it was good. It went back to what we all loved about the first and second season. He pulled it all the way back to the outbreak of the virus. So I think it was at your, um, your, when you got married, I'm talking to Dan, when you got married, uh, I think when we were in London at the time, uh, we saw advertisements.
00:37:24
Speaker
Because we hadn't seen any adverts for it in Australia. Yeah, because it's on. It wasn't really advertised at all ever in Australia. Everything. Because it was on Fox. It was on Fox. Time as well. So the time difference before it actually became, started to be advertised. It actually came out on anything.
00:37:40
Speaker
But yeah, in the UK, it was fucking on every electronic billboard around. And it looked really cool. It was cool. I mean, doing a fucking zombie outbreak movie in the hills in LA, was it LA? Certainly California, yeah. I don't know where it was. It was one of those types of towns, but it took it back to the age of mass.
00:38:05
Speaker
human populations. It was a lot closer to large groups of people. It just took it back to when Walking Dead kind of started and people were meeting people and working out what to do. What the fuck's going on? It was the panic of not knowing what the hell was happening. Yeah. And when it just becomes a constant episode after episode of the same, literally the same shit going on.
00:38:26
Speaker
Well, in that end, the season arcs became formulaic as well. We're going to settle into a place. We're going to meet another settlement of people who are going to be bad guys and fuck us up. And then at the end of the season, we're going to move to another settlement. It was the prison after the fucking... Rick's going to get angry and kill everyone and everyone. Yeah. But Shane dies at the end of season two, which made it interesting. Was it Shane? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. John Berthenall.
00:38:46
Speaker
But you went from the fucking, the country house to the prison to the fucking, the first village with the crazy one eyed patch guy. It was just the governor. That's right. He was a good bad guy. That was the first time you encountered those people and then the people, people. Yeah. And then it just became formulaic after that. You know that the end of the season, they're going to move to a new base because the old base is going to be fucked. They peaked during,
00:39:13
Speaker
Bearded Rick. Bearded Rick. That's when the show peaked. After that, I was just like, nah. I'll never forget him cutting up the governor. Was it? No, it wasn't the governor. It was a bad guy after that that cut off Herschel's head with the fucking... No, that was the governor. Was the governor? With Michonne's sword. Fuck, that was a hard scene to watch. Yeah.
00:39:30
Speaker
Yeah. Cause that was their attack on the prison. They really did push the boundaries and then they just, but that was, they had nowhere to go from there though. Well then they did the same thing with Negan and, um, Glenn. Yeah. Oh, that baseball bat. Stop watching. Like I watched one more episode after that. I was like, Lucy, Lucy. Yeah. Lucy.
00:39:50
Speaker
It was like, okay, I get what you guys are trying to do. Like it's your, this is a really impactful episode. And it was unnecessarily gory.
00:40:01
Speaker
It was, I've seen plenty of people get macked with a baseball bat. I've seen plenty, like there's been plenty of movies with that sort of stuff in it, with that sort of stuff in it. It was just a graphic display to, to sort of say, Hey, we don't have any dramas without, you know, here's what we can do. We can get the fuck out of this dude. It's almost like they were taking a jab at Game of Thrones being like, cause they were both out, they were both doing the same thing. Game of Thrones had a different,
00:40:26
Speaker
throughout the violence. There was horrifically violent. We're also not afraid just to kill a favorite characters. Like you're not the only show that can do that. My problem wasn't the fact that they killed anyway. Yeah. My problem wasn't the fact that Glenn died. It was fucking essentially what should be like season five of the fucking comic books. Like he was meant to die in the same way. Right. And in the same way, that's exactly how he dies. My problem wasn't with him dying or how he died. It was the way that they portrayed it. I mean, if you go back to something like American history X, one of the worst,
00:40:56
Speaker
fucked up scenes that I remember seeing was that guy putting his teeth on the fucking gutter before he got a stomped and yet they never actually showed you him standing on the guy's head and the tension it created just revealed a better artistry in the in the director as far as I'm concerned than actually showing you this is actually everything this is actually fine this is kind of the um the new Rambo movie that's out I read a review the other day and they said the same thing it was like the guy was like
00:41:22
Speaker
I have watched some very violent movies in my time, but halfway through this, I was like exhausted with just how uber violent this latest like Rambo installment is. I'm actually- I think we've gone too far with realism and it's actually taking something away from the storytelling. It's not realism anymore. It's hyper realism. Yeah. It's hyper violence. I don't know, man. I've seen some pretty fucked up real life shit too. The thing is, is
00:41:48
Speaker
With the Rambo movies, I love my Rambo movies. I even went and watched the more recent one that came out. But it was... It's kind of... The more recent one. You mean the one that came out last week? No, no, no. Or the one that came out four years ago? The more recent, not the most recent. Okay, yeah. Four years ago. I feel that instead of actually...
00:42:12
Speaker
Hyper-violence is a way of substituting... Storytelling. Storytelling and writing. So Stallone wanted to bring out this other fucking Rambo movie and the whole big thing about it was, is we're gonna kill more motherfuckers than what we did in any other Rambo movie. I actually think that Rambo was good. It was. Was that John Rambo?
00:42:31
Speaker
It was just called Rambo. I've never seen any Rambo other than the first. It was just called Rambo. Yeah, this one's Rambo last blood. And although I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and this was before that sort of hyper-violence really shifted into a like, we all know, all right, Stallone's doing a Rambo movie. You know, motherfuckers are gonna get fucked up, something chronic. Cool, I can dig it.
00:42:56
Speaker
a lot of blood, a lot of just needless, you know, decapitations and dismemberments. And that's cool. Cause that's what you expect when you see a Rambo movie. However, um, I feel that whatever I'm about to watch next is just going to be, we're making this movie so we can cut his heads off. It's just brinksmanship. Tell a story. Cause
00:43:18
Speaker
There's not really that much of a story to tell, except you got a PTSD fucking ex army soldier that is literally just finding reasons to kill motherfuckers to not be depressed. He's happy when he's killing them. That seems to be what this new one is. That's what it is. It's purely just going to be hyper violence for the sake of hyper violence, because there is no more story to tell. Now when you got... Well this is against the Mexican drug cartel.
00:43:46
Speaker
So, same shit wrapped in a different skin. Yeah, right.
00:43:53
Speaker
Train of thought. Train of thought. What was the thing that you were talking about just before, before we got onto this topic? Walking Dead. Walking Dead, same shit. You kind of run, especially in a post-apocalyptic world, you run out of spaces to hide and it just becomes, all right, well, we got this gang here and this gang there. I think they failed to realize earlier on, I say earlier, I don't mean right at the start, but I mean about midway through, about season four, season five,
00:44:22
Speaker
that what makes an ongoing graphic novel good does not make a TV series good. No. It's fine to continue telling stories around groups of people in a graphic novel because it's interesting and it's dynamic and the artistry of the comic drawing and the storytelling works well in a graphic novel format.
00:44:43
Speaker
As soon as you got away from it being a zombie series, it's not about the zombies anymore. It's about a bunch of fucked up humans being fucked up to other fucked up humans. And it lost its humanity. That was the other thing. Initially it had a connection to what it is to be human, to be a part of a community. There was an identifiable villain.
00:45:07
Speaker
When you're when you're when all the sudden you had Negan he was an identifier no, but you mean the zombies That's what I'm saying sure in that series and in a versus time you've got very distinct who you're rooting for But now you've got and take into account Negan and his mob right and although I have not seen past a couple episodes since fucking Glenn got his head done in so I do not know yeah, but
00:45:36
Speaker
there's no reason to suggest that Negan and his mob are actually bad guys. Like who knows when you start putting humans against humans in an environment where there is actually a greater evil that everyone should be fighting towards and against. So that's the problem. That's what I'm, that's my point that I'm trying to make. He could be the good dude that's come up against a bunch of gnarly guys. I want the next point once you're done there. Well, Chris is never going to be done.
00:46:04
Speaker
No, well, all I'll say is just to finish off, cause I'm interested to hear what Dan has to say is Negan might not actually be the bad guy, but he's come up against enough of these groups along the way who have been potentially worse than what they are. And they've had to staunch themselves up to a point where this is how they need to deal with everybody because they've been fucked since Z day. And you know, everyone's tried to take them down, whoever came across.
00:46:32
Speaker
Okay, so I'll get this quick because we're out of beer and we need to get the other two out of the fridge. Correct. You took them out of the freezer. Excellent, thank you. So it's funny you should say those points because Days Gone, the new zombie game on PS4 where you're the biker. So you're a drifter?
00:46:47
Speaker
And you come, you go, you're basically a drifter. No, you need to let someone else talk, motherfucker. Is that the Norman Reedus? No. Okay. No, that's Death Stranding. Cool. It's the guy that played Starkiller. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so he's a drifter. I'm not Ben, so I can't name the actor. No, me neither. Sam. Yeah, it is Sam something. Yeah. It is something like that.
00:47:11
Speaker
He's a drifter and it's well after. So you start like you do The Last of Us, breakout time, and then days gone. So when you pause, there's a days gone. It counts the days. So I think I'm up to 776 days after the breakout. So he knows the people. He's a bounty hunter. He knows the groups of people that set up camps and everything like that. Can you just give me a brief rundown on what this game is? You know Mad Max? Yes. Mad Max, but in America on a bike.
00:47:40
Speaker
Okay, cool. With zombies. And it's available now. Yeah, it's really good. It's really good, but it's very formulaic. Cool. So far, I'm about, I don't know how far through the story, I've encountered three different camps. So there's three different camps of humans, and they all have their own things. So the first camp that you encounter
00:48:03
Speaker
it's a little bit military order so there's one guy like Negan that kind of runs the camp and under a bit of an iron fist you then the second camp you encounter you think oh okay this is this is the friendly camp this is where you want everyone to go when instead of the other camp so they're not under the thumb of like the Negan character. Delicious style.
00:48:26
Speaker
But it turns out as it goes through the story, it's like a slave camp. So everybody there has to work and they're basically forced to work or they don't get fed, they don't get shelter. Like the governor's camp. But kind of worse. So you go into it when you first meet them. Purposely negative sort of.
00:48:44
Speaker
Yeah, you kind of go, oh, okay, this is the humane camp. This is where you want people to go. And then you get to the next camp where it's a community. It's like Rick's community. Not quite that bad, but there's the Norman Reedus character and then there's the Rick character that runs it. And then there's the Michonne or the lady that had the short hair. Oh, that old bird that just like fucked up. There's that character in that camp. She was cool. I liked her.
00:49:14
Speaker
But the thing is, when you find survivors out in the world, you can send them to one of each of the three camps. And so if you don't like them, you send them to the fucked up camp. But each camp provides you with different things. So the Copland's camp, the first one will upgrade your bike faster and better.
00:49:32
Speaker
But you know it's worse for this fictional digital character to go there because it's under a military rule and you get you get camp credits and you get XP and it's all different. So you could get a lot of credits and a lot of XP for sending them there or you can get a bunch of credits at the like the slave camp or you can just get XP for sending them to the good camp. The polite camp.
00:49:57
Speaker
So you've got this moral decision where you want to send these, where you want to send these people. Slave camp all the way. And it makes absolutely no difference. But the slave camp, the slave camp doesn't upgrade your bike. Oh, that'll be a problem. So you get credits there where you can, we'll do a 40 20 of 40, 40, 40, they've got the best ammunition. They've got the best weapons. So they've, they've actually structured these camps really well where you've got to make this difficult choice.
00:50:25
Speaker
You've got to make a moral decision or you've got to make the min max game decision. Exactly. Yeah. And it's, it's really, really interesting on that side of it. It's very, very formulaic. Uh, but having cords of like four or 500 zombies come at you all on screen, all at once that you can take on and take out is pretty fucking amazing. That's the part of the series I miss.
00:50:49
Speaker
They're in also like... And they run like fucking like 28 days later zombies. They're fucking... They're still my favorite zombies on screen. 28 days later scares the fuck out of me every time I watch it. Yeah. Black Summer. Black Summer? Oh my God. Yeah. Black Summer's excellent. Is that the one where in the trailers she's standing there and gets macked by the truck? Yes. It would be that one. Yeah. Okay.
00:51:13
Speaker
But I read that that was horrifically depressing as a series. It is terribly, terribly depressing. No more depressing than Walking Dead. But that's why I stopped watching it. Far, far more depressing than Walking Dead. I didn't like the Walking Dead at the point where it's like you know it's not going anywhere. There's no hope.
00:51:29
Speaker
I know there's no, there's genuinely no hope with any zombie movie, right? Cause the world's already fucking ended. You need a reason to watch something. Yeah, it's exactly the same thing you guys were saying. It's the same kind of villain with a different face every time. There's no hope. And they're going to have to pretend they keep having to go up a level, right? How many times can you watch the same group of people? Cause you become attached to them. Cause they've got like an actual face you can. But that group's diminishing too. So you went from the governor to the, the, um,
00:51:58
Speaker
what looked like a peaceful community on the surface, but you knew within 24 hours or the next episode, they turned out to be fucking cannibals and they were bleeding people and eating them. Like it just became so fucking predictable. Oh look, they seem nice, which means they're a bunch of evil cunts. And you're just waiting for the episode where you find out. That was a train yard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And before you pull it's the, can we genuinely take a break?
00:52:23
Speaker
So we've got batch brewing a small batch limited-edition beer only available here I'm assuming from small batch. Yeah being small batch small batch Small batch nice. I want to go this is fresh. Yeah, excellent tango Pacific bailout 4.5% I love the labels just super simple with a little printer on it like an old newspaper style. Yeah, I
00:52:49
Speaker
brown paper bag. Just, and like what looks like a dot matrix printer, but it's probably not. It's probably, probably even just a stamp. I think it was a stamp. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Excellent. So this is the version two of the Tasman tango, which came out last year and they had the two cans and one had a gold lid. One had a silver lid. The silver lid was all Kiwi hops. The gold lid was all Aussie hops. So they've retweeted. I want to try the two beers. Sorry. I've finished. Sorry, Tom.
00:53:19
Speaker
So this is the Aussie one? No, this is the new... They've been spending the time tweaking it at the new small batch. Okay, nice. I find it pretty thin and yet it's got a nice bitterness right at the end of the palette. It's a Pacific ale. It's nice, it's clean, got some hop character. It's 4.5% did I say? Something like that. Yeah, so it's quite sessionable. It's nicer than that fucking stone and woods Pacific ale that they do.
00:53:45
Speaker
Pacific pale. The people who invented the style. I don't mind. Is it really a style though? It's got an official style guidelines. The first two or three you can taste a pineapple and the other 11 or 12 you can't.
00:54:01
Speaker
This one is fairly pineapple-y. Yeah, it's good. When I said it was thin, it wasn't a complaint. It was just, it's a description of the mouthfeel. Yeah. Coming off the back of having a few mouthfuls of- Biggie juice. Beforehand, like it's, yeah, it's quite thin, but this is something that like, if I'm sitting down playing video games, a man like this is a prime beer just to- Particularly in a big can like that, a 500 mil head. Hell yeah. I don't need to get up off the bloody beanbag.
00:54:29
Speaker
because then it takes me 10 minutes to get comfortable back in the beanbag again. I thought you were just going to say it takes you 10 minutes to get out of the beanbag. It almost does take me 10 minutes. Yeah, because I've got one of these arms. It's really comfortable and it's close to the ground. It's like one of those armchair beanbags. Ah, yeah. So you've really got to nestle into it. And once you're in there, you're like, fuck. And the worst thing is, god damn, because when Addis goes to sleep, I'm like, oh, just vape inside. Yeah. I'm like, yep, this is cool. And I have my beer. And then I'll go and pick up my fucking this thing. And it's like,
00:54:59
Speaker
Oh, there's none left. It was just heavy because it was the cooler that it was sitting in. It's like, fuck my vape is sitting off. God damn it. I got to get up again. Fuck this shit. And then yeah. It's like when you're in bed and you don't want to piss, but you have to piss. I'm a little disappointed. We didn't try the two beers that they, I can't remember who it was that did it, but they did a synthetic hops and a hundred percent real hops.
00:55:21
Speaker
and they released them side by side to show you the difference between the flavor profiles and they were basically identical. No idea what you're talking about. No, never heard of it. So it was an Australian craft beer maker who did two beers side by side, identical styles, same flavor profiles, but one they declared was a synthetically hopped beer. So they used a flavorant for the hops instead of actual hops. A flavorant? A flavorant. A flavorant is an actual word.
00:55:47
Speaker
I don't know. Oh, flagrant flavor. Did you know what I meant when I said it though? It doesn't mean it's a real fucking word. Um, and the other one, they used a hundred percent real hops and they released them side by side to show you the difference. So I thought that was quite interesting. I'm a bit disappointed. We didn't get our hands on any to try some. How long ago was it? I'm just checking now. Did you have any of this?
00:56:10
Speaker
No. Did it really happen? Well, it might've happened in my head. No, it was a conversation I was having with a mate who loves his craft beer. Although he does want big spokes. If we can get them, it's super... It'd be interesting, right? Yeah. Anyway, carry on. If it would age, how it would age. I don't know how long ago was they released it. I'm sure it's long, long, long ago. Because they have synthetic substitutes for weed. Okay.
00:56:37
Speaker
Yeah. And? Well, I actually read an article today about a bunch of scientists that came up with a chemical bacteria, sorry, a bacteria that grows psychosymon. Is that the word? Ah, the mushroom juice. Yeah. I'm yeah. Yeah. Tell me more. Tell me more, Pete. I would like to know more. That's pretty much. Do you want to know more? You know, you know, Canberra's legalized weed, don't you?
00:57:01
Speaker
Yes. Yes. ACT. I want someone to legalize mushrooms. I want someone to legalize mushrooms. I was only talking to... America's not too far. Too far away from it. Yeah. No, I need to move to... Now that they've legalized marijuana. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to Portland in two months. Let's face facts. They only, they only illegalized it. Is that a word?
00:57:23
Speaker
I think it's a word. Decriminalised and legalised are two different things though. They only made it illegal in the first place because the ATF had nothing better to do after prohibition era. Yeah, it's all propaganda and that. It's all bullshit.
00:57:38
Speaker
Anyway, Dan, when you go to Portland, we're on philosophical questions. Yes. Is the matrix timeless, Dan? Is the matrix timeless? We're doing, we're in philosophical territory. Well, I'm in the mood. Okay. Define timeless. I think we've had this discussion before and we have, have we? Not in as in depth, but we've mentioned this cause you were mentioning, was it your nephew? I think
00:58:01
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Yeah, well that's, I don't know. I think we've like touched on it. Just dip the toe in. I can't remember whether I put it on the board or not. So I just put the tip in. Just the tip. Just for a second, just to see how it felt. No one likes just the tip. Whether it made for speed or comfort. You motorboat, you motorboat and son of a bitch. If you're uncomfortable, just say no at any time. My safe word is cabbage.
00:58:23
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I don't think it was cabbage. I think you misquoted that. No, no, no. His own personal one is cabbage. He's just clarifying for it wrong. The reason I put this up was the... It was Ryan Reynolds quote. What?
00:58:40
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What? The safe word. No, it's another brookle of 99 records. Um, well, the reason I classified it as timeless is you're going to be able to watch it in 20 years and not go, Oh, this looks fucking old because it literally is set in 1999.
00:59:00
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It's set in the 90s and there's a story element that explains why it looks old and it's never gonna age because that was the prime time for the machines to build the matrix. So no matter what generation watches it, there's a reason for it looking the way that it does. Yeah, there's a reason. Old cars, old suits, buildings how it is, the traffic, everything. There's a reason for it to be that way. And they're so vague about the gear that
00:59:28
Speaker
that it is in the future that we're not gonna end up at a Terminator 2 Judgment Day where we get past the 27th of August, 1997. Wasn't it? 97? 97? 27th of August, 1997? I feel that all these dates have been referenced. Once we got to that point, we're going, okay, well, it's Judgment Day, but nothing... We haven't built Skynet yet. We haven't built Skynet. We're nowhere near building Skynet, but that's... Fate is what you make.
00:59:56
Speaker
They're so, they're so vague about the year because they don't know the year. I noticed that they've, they've got, um, they finally got advertisements out for the new Terminator on the billboards. Yeah. I saw that when I was. I still haven't watched the trailer for that. Apparently it's two term or one Terminator that can split into two. Okay.
01:00:14
Speaker
It's like a T-800 with a liquid metal outer and then it can make a living tissue of a metal endoskeleton. No, it's not because it's the liquid metal outer. Yeah, it is. Well, it's the definition of one being inside the other.
01:00:30
Speaker
The T-800 is coated with the T-1000 and the T-1000 can split off from the T-800. And who does Arnold Schwarzenegger play in this movie? He pays the original T-800. Yeah, but he's grown a beard. Yeah. Because he's a living tissue on outside of a... Metal endoskeleton. There you go.
01:00:49
Speaker
He's got his organics, man. He got it. It's highly magnetical alloy. He even got fucking gray hair and shit. There's so many good quotes from Terminator 2. It's just ripe for it. Metropolis Synthetic IPA by Newstead Brewing. Oh, Newstead did it. Okay. Was the synthetic version. That was jarring.
01:01:07
Speaker
Hey, you found it though. How old is it? And they called it Necropolis. Macropolis looks to 100% hop-derived products to deliver that hoppy goodness, CO2 extracts, oil extracts, and chemically modified hop components. Not a single hop pellet or hop... Don't I always get shit for reading something off something? Pete's always like, no, you don't. But when you read a list that's like five paragraphs long, relevant information, fuck you all.
01:01:36
Speaker
But Matrix, when was the last time that either of you saw a Matrix movie? I watched all three of them in the last month. Three or four months ago, for me? I watched the original one, probably about the same time as Pete. I watched the third one about three months ago and I was still disappointed by the ending. I think really? I thought it's Jesus and he's blind and it's the end of the movie. Whatever. I think I'm with Chris on this one. I actually enjoyed them. I enjoy them a hell of a lot more now than I did originally.
01:02:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Except for the Zion shit. Zion shit bores the hell out of me. But they had to play the drums. That fucking, that whole section, that like 40 minutes could have been compressed into 10. It reminded me of the party on Coruscant in one of the prequel trilogy movies. It was just a completely out of kilter fucking celebration scene in the midst of a movie that just didn't need to be there.
01:02:33
Speaker
I don't know, I just thought it was weird that you had an entire cave full of what appeared to be foreign actors and you just had the two white dudes upstairs fucking. That's what that was. Leave the ethnics to their thing? I mean, what is the message that's going on there? It's a horrible message. No, but that's all. No, I'm not saying. That's what I see when I see it. It's like the only two white people that are actually spotted
01:02:56
Speaker
It was Trinity and Neo were the only obvious, you know. But how good was Lawrence Fishburne in the latest John Wick? The kid wasn't there though. He was only there when he was like... He ran in. Yeah, when he was... He ran in to take his shoes off, remember? To take his shoes off before he gets into the temple.
01:03:14
Speaker
And the old dude? The old, the old, the guy on the counter? You didn't see them dancing around with their nipples coming through their shirts? No, no. And that's a damn shame. Show me them old man nipples. It was pretty sexually charged, that whole dancing scene in the cave too. I think it was, but it was the big fuck before the war. They all fuck each other.
01:03:34
Speaker
Like, who else? It was a hippie community, essentially, in a cave. How long have they been there for? The while. Like, 100 years? Not quite 100 years. Right? Yeah, everyone fucks everyone. Who's the last child of Zion.
01:03:48
Speaker
Yeah, but I really enjoyed rewatching the first one I haven't seen. The first movie is fucking brilliant. I still get shivers right at the end when he stops the bullets. The second one is awesome. The fucking twins are some of the best bad dudes I've seen in a movie. Underutilise. Yup. The Merovingian is a great bad guy, but talks too much. Yes. I don't know. That's the definition of his character.
01:04:13
Speaker
Uh, the only thing that I, the only thing that I can't see, yes, she is. And you, you, you see her voyage in the bathroom as well. What the fuck you do. Cause it's a see-through rubber dress that she's wearing, man. You see a little bit of this badge come through. The third movie is badge gasket.
01:04:37
Speaker
The third movie I think is great as well. I really enjoyed all the real world shit that they were doing, all the combat, the fighting and all that kind of stuff. It just got a little bit over the top with the clones.
01:04:48
Speaker
over the top cause he
Iconic Movie Themes and Messages
01:04:50
Speaker
was a virus. He had made this massive speech about virus in the first one, how humans are a virus. It was an irony was over the top. It was over the top in a world that everyone was, was a fucking, I understood the aesthetic that they were going for. I'm saying it felt, it felt too heavy. I thought it was fucking cool. I, it was, it was the definition of an undefeatable foe that was, it was a virus. It had already worked.
01:05:18
Speaker
It had already won. And I thought it was fucking cool. I've got no dramas with either of those movies. I just didn't like the Christ story right at the end. The fucking blind guy flying into the... It isn't... To take out The Matrix, but it's such an anti-climatic ending to a trilogy of brilliant movies. It's only because that's what you know it to be. I'm pretty sure it's because the Wachowski stole the story that hadn't been finished at the time.
01:05:40
Speaker
just watch it, just watch it and fucking enjoy it. It's like, yeah, okay. We all know what it's actually about and what the deeper meaning is. But no, no, no, it's, it's. Speaking of jeepers, we've got to get back to jeepers. Remind me about jeepers in a minute. I think it's okay if we say the word Jesus, it's not actually offensive in and of itself. Don't yell at me jeepers.
01:06:02
Speaker
No, I'm not talking about. I don't care if it's offensive or not. I find homo funnier. Deeba's crumbs get on with it. I'm not talking about the underlying messaging in the trilogy of movies being the story of Christ. I'm not talking about that. I mean, right. Just the ending was overloaded with implication without actually delivering.
01:06:22
Speaker
When he was blinded, he's in his ship, he's flying towards the... Keep going to this blinded. I don't remember anything in the Jeebus story about him being blinded. Yeah. He didn't fly a fucking spaceship either. He had to fly on faith. No, he could see. You saw him see. You saw what he saw. He actually started seeing in the real world. You could see the Matrix. Yeah, because he... And he didn't fly anywhere. Trinity flew. Trinity flew. He just fucking did his Force powers, man.
01:06:48
Speaker
I don't know what movie you all want to. I don't either. But you're way off fucking course. And he's written his own version. The whole final scene was just a letdown. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. You can analyze the way I'm saying it all you fucking like. All I'm saying is that you were wrong. You're saying
01:07:06
Speaker
What you saw didn't actually happen. So he wasn't blinded. He wasn't, he wasn't directing the ship. He was telling Trinity where to fly to get to the core of the matrix. Am I right? Because he could see it in the real world. That was the whole thing. Cause he could stop it at the end of the second one. And it, and it was an anticlimactic ending to an awesome trilogy of movies.
Wachowski Siblings' Influence
01:07:28
Speaker
No one else felt disappointed at the end. If Jesus saw the nails coming, you just not turn up that day.
01:07:34
Speaker
Right? I hate to tell you, I think the story, Jesus did actually see the nails coming. I think that was the whole reason, because he called it the last supper. And I think he actually did see the nails coming. Did he call it the last supper or was it after the fact they called it the last supper? And it's like, ah, do they come in back? I think DaVinci might've called it that. Well, yeah, but I- Third hand information, Dan. No, no, no. I'm not a theologian scholar, but I'm going to agree with Dan.
01:08:00
Speaker
Trinity was there, I'll take her word for it, over fucking Paul, right? Over Paul. Peter was a disciple. He was. Clearly a shit one. He was just an acquaintance of Jesus. He was just a dude. One of the twelve. That's who Jesus bought his wheat from.
01:08:23
Speaker
And that went over the mountain. He came back a prophet, just saying. That's why shit's so fucked up. They're all just high on weed and mushrooms. Anyway, on jeepers. Yep. Uh, on jeepers, on jeepers, uh, big Lebowski spin off Jesus rolls. Oh, it's already, it's already filming. They've got a picture with, uh, Jesus licking the ball. Yeah. Uh, modern, modern Jesus licking the ball.
01:08:52
Speaker
Yeah, do you imagine that any way you want to imagine that, Peter? It wasn't for me, it was for the listeners, but carry on. Anyone that knows Big Lebowski will know. So there's a picture out, it was released yesterday of modern day, the shoot, the film. Yeah, cool. Well, I'm curious to see what they're doing with that.
01:09:12
Speaker
Nobody fucks with the Jesus. Is Jeff Bridges coming back? I have no idea. I haven't read anything. I would assume he's had a hard-on for coming back to do something. Did we believe that the Matrix was timeless? We never really got an answer, I felt. I think we did it right at the start. After Tom said it was religious fucking falafel me.
01:09:33
Speaker
They didn't make the movie fucking religious motherfucker. I think the Wachowskis. The Matalski brothers. Damn Matalski kids. Is it right to call them Wachowski brothers now? Yeah, one's a sister. No, they're both sisters. Are they both? They're both sisters. I've been confused about that. Are they both women now? I'm pretty sure we should put the most women now. They're both women now. They're most confused in that story, Chris.
01:10:00
Speaker
The Wachowski sisters are doing the matrix. I'm going, wait a minute. It was a Wachowski brothers before. What happened? Did they have sisters? So they, they're now sisters. They now have penises. No, they don't anymore. Hang on. Okay.
01:10:13
Speaker
They transitioned. They were brothers and now they're both transitioned and now they're both sisters. Is this to get away from the... Don't. Anything that you could say at the end of that sentence is going to be offensive. I think we're being... Is to get away from the fucking... Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's not the hashtag me too movement.
01:10:32
Speaker
You're just fueling me to comment. Okay, so they- I want to bring you right to the edge. On a serious note though, on a, got on a serious note. So they have transitioned into women now. Yes. The both of them. Yes. I knew one did, I didn't know the other had one. One did not long, one did around speed racer time. Yeah.
01:10:54
Speaker
And then the other one did, oh. It must've been the last couple of years. A few years after. So it wasn't as a result of, I mean, because obviously both of them do it. It wasn't like, because they lost a bet and had to do it, but it was. Wow. You gotta be pretty committed to the betting program, right? Yeah. You gotta be pretty confident you're right. Are you ready to put your cog on the block for this?
01:11:19
Speaker
It's like Pete I guarantee it was this actor's name and if I'm wrong I'm gonna chop my dick off God damn it. We shook on it and everything. Oh, man I just I'm surprised we haven't made any Jenna jokes, but I think it's already been done some bets just shouldn't be made People should not be changing gender to get out of murder trials. Just all I've got to say and that's where I was All right
01:11:45
Speaker
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What are we drinking, Dan? I don't know if these beer companies now want us to mention what we're drinking. The gender bending beer. No, it's not. Let's not introduce it as that. No, let's not. We have Method Mandarin from Batch. Another one, Batch. Cool. It's the Mandarin Kettle Sour. I've got to say, these guys have become one of my favorite brewers. Batch have been awesome for ages.
01:12:12
Speaker
Method Mandarin, they've done Method Mandarin before, have they not, Tom? Because it was what you've got. Method Mandarin, what were the other rap ones that they did? They did the... It's been a couple.
01:12:28
Speaker
It's a kettle sour. Yeah. It's my hazy hazy. They've done. Yeah. The Jay Z fucking New England. Yeah. Yeah. There's, um, what do we got at the moment? We've got big punnet is on at the moment. Um, I cannot remember. Is that a strawberry one? Uh, raspberry and current. Okay. It's
01:12:48
Speaker
That was another Kettle sound. Pash the magic is still, Pash the magic dragon is.
01:13:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So it's still one of my favorite fucking kettle sours of all time. Oh, yeah. It's delicious. Is it a kettle sour? Is Pash Magic Dragon a kettle sour? Yeah, it definitely would be. Yeah. It's not complex enough to be a barrel aged. This is fucking nice. And I do get a lot of banana out of it. And you said esters and it reminded me of organic camp. What? Well, that's where you learn about esters in high school.
01:13:27
Speaker
I never did chemistry. I never learned about esters in high school. I didn't finish high school though. I don't need to learn about esters. It's a good fucking beer. I stopped. It is very good beer. Really, really nice. Which one's that? This one. Good flavorsome. Ginyu Pine. That was the other one. Ginyu Pine. Ginyu Pine. It's got a bit of fun to it too I like. Yeah, a little bit. It's good level of sale. Two Peach Shakur. Two Peach Shakur, yes.
01:13:50
Speaker
It's not a mouth-buckering sound, but then it's a kettle. I know. Trying to find the rest of them. You guys are Googling shit, so I'm just getting up. Pretty sure that there was a couple. We're on Untapped at the moment, having a look at the... Plum DMC. Plum DMC. Big Barry Kane. Yes. Plum DMC. Yeah. This is great. There were some really good ones that they did, and all of those ones that they did come out with were fucking epic beers as well. Really great.
01:14:15
Speaker
So what do you think of the beer that we're actually drinking just out of interest, Chris? I think it's fucking awesome. I think that I love Batchess stuff. I feel that their best beers are their sours and their... Oh, they splash their sours out of the block. Their dark beers as well. They do pretty well. Oh, get some LC in me.
01:14:36
Speaker
LC, Other Utter, they're double. The best of the LC range that I have had was I was at the brewery when they did the LC quadrilegies. They had the four versions of LCs. They had the original on Nitro. They had the original LC on Cask. Then they had the Other Utter and the Campos coffee one. Yeah, the Campos one as well. Fuck. We tried that on the podcast too, the Campos coffee one. Yes, we did. But they did. And we tried the Double Utter as well.
Exploring Chili Flavors in Beverages
01:15:05
Speaker
They brought, one of the reps came in, Scott, and he was like, oh, you've got to try this. And it was two thirds campos with a third other udder on top. It was the tits. I see what you did there, man. That was good. That's the tits. I've got to say you do get a lot of mandarin out of the aftertaste in this. I'm impressed. Heaps on the nose as well. Real big fruit.
01:15:32
Speaker
Yeah. It's good. Really good. Has anybody had the senior spicy? I can't have it. Oh, you're allergic to chili. Fuck. So I'm a fuck. Wow. It was going. Yes. We all knew where he was. Yes, we did.
01:15:48
Speaker
but it's a, what is it? It's a, um, chili goes chili orange and chili goes on orange and chili goes on. Um, and it is, it's fucking good. So Addis had me pick some up from, um, what is it and salty?
01:16:05
Speaker
It's a Gosa, yeah, so Gosa's salty, so you get a nice citrusy orange note to it, which is a predominant flavor with a real chilli undertone to it, which is actually, it's got a little bit of warmth to it. Is it the chilli flavor as well as the warmth though?
01:16:27
Speaker
I've actually found, because we've tried a few chilli beers, I've found it's rare that you get the chilli flavour as opposed to the chilli heat. And chilli has a proper flavour. Because depending on the chilli that you're using, often if you want the chilli flavour, the heat's not going to...
01:16:44
Speaker
Yeah, if the heat diminishes everything, right? Chili hot, not chili flavorsome. It's just not going to work. I'll still never forget the honey made with ghost chili in it. That was, that was.
01:16:58
Speaker
Stone dog, stone dog metery. Yeah. That was some potent shit. It was hot, yeah. It wiped me out for gabs for at least an hour and a half. That's a couple of years ago. The only drama that you get if you want to sort of bring in the flavors of chili is you start, if you don't do it right, you get a very vegetative, vegetal sort of note to it. And the chili is not going to come through.
01:17:25
Speaker
I would like to do something. We have had a couple of chili based beers that have had a good flavor hit before you got the heat. I actually don't think it's about not having the heat. I think it's about a separation between the flavor hit at the front palate and the heat at the back. I think you'll find that it's the fruit that you probably imagine that you're tasting whatever the chili or pepper is based on the fruit that they're throwing in there to sort of counteract it. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. These guys write symphonies. I just enjoy them.
01:17:54
Speaker
But I would like to do something with, I had, uh, Trinidad scorpion, truly, uh, chili the other night on some oysters after Apokoliptica, which was a horrible idea. Two things I would never have by themselves. Look, cause we threw a little bit of, uh, Tabasco and I have been wanting to try this, this scorpion chili sauce for a while. Cause it has the word scorpion in it, right?
01:18:20
Speaker
Well, it sounds hot. I'm gonna see how hot it is. And it was before I actually was able to swallow anything, it was already way too hot. Do you know what the Scoville score was? No, but I had already put it on six of my oysters. And the third one, I dumped like, there was like a air bubble and a big splash came out. You couldn't see the oyster.
01:18:46
Speaker
Um, it was, and I'm like, well, fuck, I've done it. I can't waste it. Um, the next day, the ring of fire was, it wasn't even, it was after everything had settled and internally sort of closed up and settled. It was, it was still painful all the way up to my heart. Um,
01:19:07
Speaker
He's a nasty burn. But it tasted fucking amazing. But yeah, a lot of chili. Not a big fan of chili. Sounds like you need to come to the chili fest that we host every year. I feel that. It's the worst day of the year. I fucking hate it. Fucking toilet cleanup duties would be insane. No, I can't walk through the venue because I stopped breathing. Shit. Yeah, that's right.
01:19:34
Speaker
It would be in the air. For listeners that aren't aware, Tom is allergic to chilli. Like anaphylactic allergic? EpiPen sort of. My throat feels like it closes over and I pass out. So yeah, that's EpiPen kind of. Yeah, I should probably get one of those. Probably would be a good idea. I mean, and if you're ever tired and you just need to get through the rest of the shift, epinephrine is a lot cheaper than a line of coke. Just saying.
01:20:00
Speaker
Ooh. I mean, you're probably right. And on that note, Feige does Star Wars. Yes. This is a news that came out the other day that apparently, uh. I read that and I thought, how the fuck. So there's a couple of things. First of all, how the fuck is one man going to run all of Marvel cinematic universe? Same way he's running Marvel. And he's also doing the Marvel comics stuff. Is he not? I know how he's going to do it.
01:20:27
Speaker
I think he's backed off, but it's the comics, but yeah. Couple more million dollars in the bank account will do it. It's more than a couple mil, but it's not the point. The point is, are we really, and I think I made this.
01:20:38
Speaker
this comment on a Facebook post about this topic. It was about this topic. Someone, I think it was you, Dan, or it might've been Ben. I think I saw it on Ben's Facebook. Yeah, posted in Facebook and tagged us in that he's doing Star Wars.
Hollywood's Creative Landscape
01:20:51
Speaker
Are we really at a point in Hollywood where there's only one guy creative enough to run a fucking franchise effectively? Considering how successful- Does this not concern anybody else? No, considering how- If that guy gets macked by a truck tomorrow,
01:21:05
Speaker
Yeah, but dude. Then we go into the Dark Ages again. How successful. Or someone else appears. Everything is done. They might be blinded and flying a spaceship. The guy's got the Midas touch. I'm not questioning that for a hundred. The last bunch of Star Wars movies have, I mean, let's be fucking real. Lucas. The last bunch of, no, I'm not after Lucas. Yeah. Okay. They're not, they've, it's been a long time since we've seen a, an actual Star Wars movie. You know, the worst. I stand by the best Star Wars movie we've had is Rogue One.
01:21:34
Speaker
Yes, and how many movies- What, out of all of them? No, since the original trilogy. How many movies have been done, excluding the first three? The original trilogy. And excluding Rogue One. How many movies have there been? This next one will be six. Oh, and Solo Seven. Seven movies, right? Eight, you count the Clone Wars one. Yes. Or the Holiday Special. Caravan of Courage.
01:22:02
Speaker
Don't worry about that. Let's call it an even dozen with a couple of a couple else that are around the place. The odds are pretty fucking shit. Really? So yes, I welcome this and I can't wait. You're taking account a point to one that I'm not making. My point is,
01:22:20
Speaker
And this is why George Lucas was successful in the original trilogy. It's why James Cameron was successful with Aliens 2, Terminator 2, all the other movies that he made until he lost his way. Pretty much any time after him, any movie he made after he married Linda Hamilton was just not right. I'm just pointing it as a milestone in his career.
01:22:42
Speaker
And now Feige, these guys originally focused on telling a story and the cinematography, the storytelling, the movies themselves were an expression of the storytelling art form. Hey, we're getting four more avatars. They might be absolute masterpieces. Well, the first one wasn't. As far as I'm concerned, the first one was a good movie, but it wasn't a masterpiece. And he wants it to be his magnum opus.
01:23:10
Speaker
He really does. Yeah, I know he does, but he's lost the plot. Completely lost the plot. I think he lost it before he made the first movie. Yeah. The only redeeming feature with the fucking actors in that movie. I mean, Sigourney Weaver did a fucking brilliant job. You just said it there as well, Dan. The reason why, yes, okay, you've got one guy that's currently at the helm of doing pretty much whatever is a good movie these days in this genre.
01:23:36
Speaker
Which has pretty much taken over Hollywood. I mean, I know there's other movies that are good, but. But that's because it's just purely, it's just overshadows everything else because of just how fucking epic everything is. But what he's going to do is he's going to usher in a bunch of new dudes that are going to come in and, and realize that they can express themselves to the fullest degree. Same as what James Cameron did. Same as what fucking Scorsese did. Same as what everyone else has done, right? Kubrick before him.
01:24:03
Speaker
And basically, it's a matter of this guy is going to be in control until someone takes him off the fucking pedestal. But I don't want him off the pedestal. What I want is... Yeah, you do. You really do. I don't want Foggie off the pedestal. Yes, you do. He's making good movies. No, but you... You're missing my point because you're trying to make your point. No. Which means that I don't get to make mine.
01:24:26
Speaker
No, but your point is as well. What happens if this guy fucking dies is what you said. No, that's not, no, that's not the point I'm making. I'm not worried the guy's going to get hit by a truck and we're going to have nothing. I'm saying, what is Hollywood doing at school? What are these people that are coming through, through schools to end up being directors of movies that is missing that produces a Feige as a random wildcard. Fundamentals. See what I mean?
01:24:52
Speaker
Everything else that you learn is what you, what your creative capabilities, that's what progresses you. That's what gets you where you need to go. No, this is a guy that's got the balls to actually tell a story because that's what he's doing. He's telling a story. But that's his creative capabilities. Anyone else can do it if they're willing to put in the time, the effort and willing to go that distance.
01:25:14
Speaker
Plenty of them do. It's just the studio interference and things like that that doesn't allow these new directors to do what needs to be done. He's in a spot where he can combat that. Sure. There's a massive amount of indie movies out there that are amazing. Fucking look at upgrade.
01:25:30
Speaker
Upgrade is one of the most creative, cinematographic, well-acted, filmed in Australia on a shoestring budget. So was Pitch Black. That was a fucking great story too. Two original storylines, but you look at things like that. But then as soon as these guys get into
01:25:49
Speaker
make studios, the studio interference. And we've heard it time and time again. So when is, when are these studios going to realise that they're meddling fox the movie? When they've got someone that's established themself enough like Feige that they'll let him have free reign. They let him have free reign. But it's not a lesson that they've learned generally. It's a lesson for Feige. I don't think so, no. In terms of the studio, he's working for Marvel Studios.
01:26:16
Speaker
Who owns the outcome, right? And it's all their own, like it's all their in-house stuff. They want it to be done right. They're going to listen to him. And I'm sure, of course, I would love to be in one of those like meeting those producing meeting rooms like once ever, just to hear if like he comes up and spouts out some shit. And then, but they have a bunch of like actual comic writers who come back and say like, that's not how you should treat this character. And he probably just listens.
01:26:41
Speaker
I'm sure he does. I am certain he does. 100%. That's the thing. He's in love with the story still. Like, my point was, Feige seems to be at the helm of everything good that's going on at the moment in Hollywood. Not everything. I'm being hyperbolic. I know, but, but in a lot of the stuff that we really enjoy, Feige is at the, at the core of it. Why? A shit that's making a billion dollars movie.
01:27:04
Speaker
What's not it? Yeah. Okay. Sure. But the, but the billion dollars is universal has made more money in the box office this year than Disney has. What did universal make? They've made a bunch of like animated films that we maybe not have seen, but it's got such a good following that they've, they've smashed it.
01:27:22
Speaker
But the dollar value isn't an outcome that talks about money. It's an outcome that talks about how many people went and saw the movie. So if you use that as a vehicle, yes. But my point is he should be the model that the rest of Hollywood is trying to replicate at the moment, as opposed to the standout on the pedestal that no one else is going to win. That's my point. I disagree with you on that only because I don't think every single movie series now needs to have a cinematic universe.
01:27:47
Speaker
I don't, that's not what I mean.
Cinematic Storytelling: Marvel vs. DC
01:27:49
Speaker
I mean having the balls. That's the model he's created, but they're trying to do that. You can see it in now. But each independent movie. All the horror movies are now a part of that like horror universe or whatever. It's like the angle and crap. The John Woo kind of, John Woo and his mates started that. That's the thing. People, they're replicating without thinking why they want to replicate.
01:28:11
Speaker
And we talked about that with the DC versus Marvel universes, right? So DC tried to replicate the Marvel universe formulaically and missed the point when they did it. Yeah, because they rushed it.
01:28:23
Speaker
Well, it wasn't just about rushing it. They've had plenty of fucking time to release a good movie. They've had 20 years and they still haven't released a single good one. I can't let that one go. James Wan, not John Woo. Sorry, you're right. It is James Wan. John Woo is like- Fucking, fucking angry racist motherfucker. All Asians look alike, their name doesn't matter. That's not what I fucking said. It did matter. I just got it wrong. Fuck you. I was about to say, cause they were- John Woo had nothing to do with horror at all. There were no dubs released in those films.
01:28:50
Speaker
Someone walked into a room. There was no martial arts, crazy martial arts going on. I'm just saying they should use him as a model for storytelling first, movie second. That's my point. I also think that everyone's thinking that Kevin Feige is involved. He's a big part of what the fucking story is and what the end result of the movie is. I don't think he is. I think he's no more apart than...
01:29:15
Speaker
He's not, it's like... Then Moffat was for fucking Doctor Who. He's a general direction, make your movie. Who wrote the movie? Yes, he's in control of the, he's the overseer, but look at... He's the man with plans. He doesn't write the fucking script. That's the point I come back to. He's got nothing to do with the screenplay. He doesn't actually write these movies.
01:29:38
Speaker
He's the man with the plan because he's creating this whole universe that's interconnected. Yes, but I don't think it's the universe. It's Hollywood. Don't need to replicate that for every single, like you can't, you can't use that for that formula for every film. No, but when you say this, right. So if you, right, Feige's got what he does and how his team does his shit. So, and what I feel that DC is going to start to do, and hopefully that they do. God, I hope they do, but I don't see it.
01:30:05
Speaker
They're going to be now who's doing who's doing one off short form stories of these characters. Nobody because the MCU is they want to include everything. So now what one of others should be doing are doing all their one shots and doing all their one shot fucking character introductions. And then not only that, but you want to bring out a Joker movie that's got no relevance in the fucking DCU. Cool.
01:30:32
Speaker
bring out another Joker movie from a different reality and another Joker movie. But that would be fine. You can do all that shit. You can do that because no one else is and no one else will because the MCU has been established and they will continue to incorporate all of their fucking IP and source material into developing a world
01:30:53
Speaker
where DC can now go, all right, well, we don't have an extended universe. We don't have a dedicated team of staff that have been doing this shit for the last fucking 20 years. So let's just do one shot fucking movies back the way it's been done before Iron Man came out.
01:31:11
Speaker
But they were doing shit movies before Iron Man came out and they'll continue to do shit movies. Think about... That's my problem. That's my point. What were they doing before Iron Man came out? And I don't feel that you can use the Joel Schumacher Batman movies as an example. Tell me something else that they were doing badly and Green Lantern, right?
01:31:33
Speaker
Oh hang on, I'll just not allow you to mention the seven shit movies. Give me one example of a shit movie. Green Lantern, yes, was a shit movie, but Marvel's done some shit movies.
01:31:46
Speaker
But I don't think it matters what happened before that point. I mean, you're looking at what's happening now. You look at the two guys that have done Infinity War and Endgame. Russo Brothers. They're going on to do Star Wars. They did as well. They did do Civil Wars. But they're good directors. They're good writers. They're writers. Well, they fucking directed it as well.
01:32:10
Speaker
What do you mean no? No, they wrote it. They directed it. They directed it. Did they? Yes. Do you want to put money on this? I don't. I think there's a smart move. You've got John Favreau. So we've had some amazing movies from him from in the Disney universes. So Star Wars and Marvel and outside the Disney universes. Now doing Mandalorian. Yeah. And we've had some great writing from him.
01:32:39
Speaker
James Wan, for one example, because you mentioned him before, outside of Aquaman, I think John Woo. I think a lot of his movies have been very, very good previously. So we do have some amazing directors that are part of these universes. And I think a lot of credit is given to Feige when there's so much of these guys, the Russo brothers. There is a lot of other talent inside that ecosystem that deserves that attention. I agree. That could then take those mantles afterwards.
01:33:10
Speaker
Yeah, you're right, Dan. Directors produce a screenwriter, so they had Terius. I knew I was right. Shall we take a quick break? I think we shall. Well, yep. Dan just walked out. He's fucking dropped the mic. Mahaba. Mahaba. Mahaba. We were just quickly discussing John Wick 3 and my quest to learn a language that no one actually fucking speaks.
01:33:37
Speaker
I'm sure there's millions of people that speak it just not around you. No, no, no, no. So, so the, do you want to have this conversation? Not at all. Nope. So we were talking, I'm John week three. I watched it for the first time last night and it was fucking brilliant. Oh, that's great. Fantastic.
01:33:56
Speaker
I'm really impressed for that to be a third movie, a third act in a series that's got at least four and I can see them getting a fifth movie out of it. I think they're doing fourth. They've signed Keanu for the fourth. Yeah, they're doing two more.
01:34:11
Speaker
It would make sense.
John Wick's Action-Packed Universe
01:34:13
Speaker
The pacing felt right for a fifth movie, but, but, um, cause they've, they've, they've, they've got the TV series coming up. Full spoilers for John week three here, by the way, too. Yeah. We've all seen it obviously. Yes. Yeah. The whole scene was, the whole scene was epic and didn't last long enough for my tastes. I don't know how much they could have extracted. All the animals came out unscathed. That was nice. It was a nice little touch.
01:34:38
Speaker
Yeah. The dog got shot, but he had a bulletproof vest on, which was kind of cool. You were such an asshole. It's podcast cat. She's not sure what to do after Chris assaulted her.
01:34:54
Speaker
No, it was a fucking intense movie, man. It was. It was an edge of the seat the whole fucking time. There's a noose in my face. It puts its ass in your face as a sign of respect, believe it or not. Oh, beautiful. Tom's being presented and headbutted by a podcast cat. Oh, now she's about to wipe her bunghole on your water bottle. I need TV for my bunghole. The great Con Julio, Con Julio.
01:35:21
Speaker
But I reckon it was a really good example of both close to a trilogy, like each of those movies. And I was having this discussion with people close to a trilogy. No, but it very well if that could be the end and it would work fine.
01:35:38
Speaker
if it led into the concierge TV series? It's the whole, yeah, okay, he's escaped because he always does and that's fine. You could leave that movie. Everyone knows potentially what the go is. If they did an alternate ending, they could, you're right, they could have ended the trilogy there. If they hadn't gone to war with the table, then yes. I think they should have ended it out of the first one.
01:36:00
Speaker
First one, what? First movie. First movie. I think him going away to die quietly watching the video of his wife after all that, I think that could have been done.
01:36:12
Speaker
It could have been done, you're right. I'm not disappointed that we got more, but I think... Yeah, you're right. It would have closed the chapter and the story, you're right. I think they've now missed the point of doing that quiet off-screen, not off-screen, but that quiet, lonely death. The untold sort of, yeah. The implication. The off-screen death, yeah. They've missed the boat on that because they could have done it and they didn't do it, so I think they can't now do something like that again. I don't think you can't die.
01:36:40
Speaker
I think if you got to the end of the fourth movie or the fifth movie and he died, it's gonna be violently and would be an anticlimax to the whole series. I don't think they'll kill him. I think they've gone too far now. That's what I mean. With the second and third movie, they've gone too far to actually kill the character. I agree.
01:36:56
Speaker
I mean, John Wick 3 was adrenaline pumping the whole fucking time. I love the weapons work. You can tell Keanu's genuinely doing a lot of that stuff. The martial arts is fucking awesome. Even in the second movie, so I rewatched the second movie two days ago before watching the third last night and the Benelli shotgun fucking
01:37:16
Speaker
you know crossover fucking reloads with the with the extended slider it was yeah I mean you can tell that he's been practicing that gun work and you've seen some of that YouTube video shit that he's done he's a psycho with a pistol he does a lot of his own he did a lot of his own driving stunts as well yep in the first two movies and
01:37:38
Speaker
And even the comic relief with the Japanese, not Japanese guy, Mark Dacascos, I enjoyed it. It was in place. It is very much a comic book movie, even down to the way they script the subtitles as comic book writing across the scene, which was the Mahaba joke that we were talking about earlier. Very graphic and fun way of doing it. And it's something that they've carried across through all the movies.
01:38:07
Speaker
but I think that it was a really good job of
01:38:12
Speaker
When you watch those movies, they're segregated very deliberately into like a first, second and third act. And what's actually contained in those movies. But I think he's fucking brilliant for how old the guy is as well. He's more than in his fifties? Yeah, he's beyond his fifties. Yeah, he's not too far. He's in his fifties. He's in his early fifties. He's had a lot of work done. No, he hasn't. He hasn't? What are you talking about?
01:38:41
Speaker
Really? What are you talking about? You must have an old painting somewhere that's really fucked up in his attic. Dude, it's just... He's just breathtaking.
01:39:00
Speaker
but he hasn't aged like Sean Connery. Like it's Sean Connery grew up in a different time. That Sean Connery had a pretty hard life early on. There was a cigarette booze and women. Yeah. And probably that sounds like a hard life. The illegal drugs on top of that. Yeah. That definitely sounds like a hard life. But he actually reminded me a lot in this. Has anybody seen chain reaction? Yeah. Long, long, long time ago. Love that movie. It's not a great movie.
01:39:28
Speaker
Carry on. That was the only movie, the only other movie where I've seen where he's had hair, like that kind of hair. But yeah, chain reaction. Fuck, I need to find that movie. So where do you think in the the future of the John Wick movies, all the people that he's let go are going to come back?
01:39:45
Speaker
on his side or against him? Dare I say that you might even see I think that they're going to use the Concierge TV series to fuel more content for the movies that are going to come out. Because when when's Concierge start? Don't know.
01:40:00
Speaker
No idea. I haven't looked any of that up, but I reckon... I mean, who's he got left? Really? I mean, there's always people they can continue to bring in. He lets people go. In every movie, he lets someone go. And that's just in the movies. I feel like when it comes time that it's time for John Wick to die,
01:40:21
Speaker
all of these guys will come back and all of the unknown, unspoken dudes. I think they'll come on. I think they'll be on his side. I think they'll be on his side as well. Of course. And I reckon it's going to be all at war. Yeah. And then there's all these guys at the high table versus John Wick and all the motherfuckers that owe him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree. And I loved Lawrence Fishburne's role in that in the second and third movies. Yeah. And you can tell he's going to be in the fourth against the high table because I'm in the
01:40:49
Speaker
He fucking despises them though. His reaction to the, um, to the adjudicator was brilliant. It was cool seeing the adjudicator. Sometimes you got to cut a motherfucker. Um, it was cool seeing the actress in something that wasn't, um, which actress that played the adjudicator. I've never seen it before that I'm aware of. So he said she was in orange is the new black.
01:41:12
Speaker
I have never watched fucking, I've never watched orange. She has been trying to get rid of the cat. No, it was in, she's a main character in billions. Never watched it. No. Okay. Never seen it before.
01:41:27
Speaker
She's a very androgynous actor. And in fact, in real life, she's, I can't remember the word and I'm not gonna insult anybody by getting it wrong. No, cool, man. Still don't know who she is. She doesn't categorize herself as either gender. Non-binary. She is non-binary. She's a non-binary actress. Really? And in fact, in Billions, she plays a non-binary character, which aligns with her real life choices. So she plays a human. Choices, yeah. She plays a human, yeah, sure.
01:41:56
Speaker
It was interesting seeing her in something else because I only ever seen her in Billions where she very much identifies as a character as non-binary and it was it was interesting. She's a good actress though. She's a solid actress.
01:42:09
Speaker
For fuck's sake. You want to be talking about non fucking binary. Is that a thing now? Is that what everyone's going by? No, everyone's an actor. Everyone's talked about that like 50 podcasts a million times, but she refers to herself as John week three. Anything more to talk of this fucking and it was a great movie.
01:42:33
Speaker
I think there was lots of subculture in there. There was a lot of undertone in there. The mention of the Hashashins, the original assassins, the alternate storylines behind what started the assassins. There were multiple potential origins of what they were talking about where the assassins came from. It wasn't just
01:42:56
Speaker
the hash machine. Well, yeah. And that's like six that he mentioned. No, there was two. No, there was at least three. No, there was two. All right. I'll meet you in the middle. That's 2.5. That was at least three. I thought it was cooler. I mean, I thought that that's whole subculture being brought into it was cool because it's, it's based on factual.
01:43:14
Speaker
reality. Halle Berry's character I thought was fucking awesome. She looked weird. I thought she was great. Everyone else thinks she looked great in it. I thought she just looked weird. She was about us. She was so good in that film. The fucking two dogs were awesome. I think I mentioned on a podcast before, the big thing about the dogs was that the amount of time that she actually spent with them, they were actually really comfortable with her. Yeah, I remember you saying that. They were genuine fucking vicious dogs and in Keanu Reeves' interviews,
01:43:43
Speaker
And again, I was scared to mention this before. No, he was very specifically told, don't look him in the eye. Like do not look at the dogs. You can tell that when he's sitting on the couch in their first scene with them. He fucking, he looks uncomfortable with them sitting right in front of me. He's like real stiff and he's like.
01:44:00
Speaker
really uncharacteristically John Wick. So they apparently like were following Halle Berry around. Like they were with her the entire time of all the shooting. And she was like, she had all the commands down and she spent that much time that they were attuned to her and her authority. And yeah, they were fucking killer dogs, like literal killer dogs. And yet that was only the last third of the movie.
01:44:26
Speaker
That's what I was impressed about for John Wick 3 is just how much they crammed into one movie. It was a lot. There was a bunch of awesome shit that went on. I really liked right at the end how Mr. Wednesday just takes him out.
01:44:47
Speaker
I love how he's sitting there drinking fucking wine while everyone else is, or it wasn't wine, it was probably port. It's brandy I thought. It was certainly a fortified wine of some sort. But the concierge and John wicker out there fucking killing everyone. And he's just sitting there in the fucking safe. They had to come back for more guns. Yeah. And that was actually quite funny.
01:45:11
Speaker
I like the comment. Guns. Lots of guns. And the smirk. It was a knowing smirk. It was good. It was a good throwback reference to Matrix. Yeah, I thought it was great. I can't wait until I bring out the next thing. I'm keen to see what they're going to do in the concierge. And we've established that it isn't actually based, because I always, I felt that it was based on a comic book, but it's not. It's the original. The original. Fuck man. I wouldn't be surprised if they had that. But it was clearly an original written as a comic book movie.
01:45:39
Speaker
Yeah, probably, yeah. That sort of popcorn-y action. It's very Sin City kind of, without the noir. The first one is much more grounded than the second two. Much more. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It almost reminds me of Constantine in terms of just how deep the subculture runs in that series. It wasn't just what's going on on screen. You know, there's a whole subculture in the movie going on behind the scenes. And first, John Wick was very much like Constantine, where you only got those little bits and pieces. Just the edges of it, yeah.
01:46:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I feel that the second one went a little too far. I do love that about the boomer. They are quite an Egyptian cat. Anyway, but yeah, I think we might end it there. Cool. We'll run out of beer.
01:46:27
Speaker
And I got to go to bed. Cool. Yes, me too. I got to finish fucking Need for Speed, which I got really close before Pete came, picked me up. I'm on the last fucking mission. That's what I'm going to do when I get home. I apologize, but I did give you like six hours notice when I was coming. The new one or the payback? No, the new one. I think it's still pre-order. I'm not sure. But that's another thing to find out when I go home, smoke some weed and play some games. There you go. Enjoy that. He means Dandelion. Anyway, bye. Bye.
01:47:18
Speaker
Is the Matrix timeless? We're under the philosophical questions. Oh cool, I was just watching that the other day. I thought it was Dan Does DP. That was the philosophical question. Pete's all about making sure people deposit their load. I do now. You look half asleep Pete. Yeah Pete's been pumping some iron. We're working out. Using in the kitchen.
01:47:46
Speaker
He makes his own protein, Dan. It's much cheaper. It is much cheaper. I like to put in a little cup and dry it out to turn it back into powder. Is that the coffee cup? There's a show called Hamilton's Pharmacology, and he goes into all the psychedelics, and they do the hallucinogenic frog one.
01:48:10
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. No, no, they don't lick them. You ever seen, you never seen how they harvest it? No, they have a sheet of glass and they literally just squeeze. No, squeeze the frogs back and it like jizzes all over the, like it comes out of the pores on the back of the frog. Like squeeze in a zip or something. And then they, it dries on the glass and then they scrape it off with a razor blade and then they've got this like crystal powdery stuff.
01:48:34
Speaker
I want me some toad hallucinogens. That's what Pete's been doing on the back door or something like that. I could do that with the jizz in a cup and then I could powder it up and mail it in an envelope to the... Do you want to get pregnant? Just add water and a couple of fingers. Just rehydrate yourself. Go nuts.
01:48:52
Speaker
Microwave for no more than five seconds. You thought you were saying last week was inappropriate. We haven't even fucking started. Chris wants to do the intro. You can tell. Then you need to just splice all of that whole conversation in after the intro. Yeah. No context.
01:49:09
Speaker
reconstituted Pete Jizz. That should be one of our ads. That should be the title. That's the title of the episode. Reconstituted Pete Jizz. I can't listen to that. You might be pushing the ropes on that one. That's gross. New from Pete Industries.