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S6 E20: Merry Taintmas!
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Getting in just before New Years, Tom and Pete sit down to cover the last of the news for 2023, review Dumb Money, Pain Hustlers, and the four new Doctor Who specials, plus a really terrible (420) movie, and then finally give a wrap on the best that 2023 had to offer in TV, movies and video games, along with what they’re looking forward to in 2024.
Beers Reviewed This Episode:
- Good Folk Brewing Co - Native Sour - Berliner Weisse - 6.6%
- Maggie Island Brewery - Maggies Mid - Lager - 3.5%
- Garage Project - Cali Daze - Pale Ale - 4.6%
- White Bay Beer Co - Snake Farm - WCIPA - 6.0%
- Bracket Brewing - Turn On - Hazy Pale - 5.2%
- Deeds Brewing - Outrun - Hazy DIPA - 8.2%
- Seeker Brewing - The 12 Hops of Christmas - Hazy IPA - 7.7%
- Hawkers Beer - Four Seasons: Summer - WCIPA - 6.0%
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Transcript
00:00:29
Speaker
And
Introduction and Host Setup
00:00:30
Speaker
welcome back to Pixels and Pints. You're here with Tom and Pete. It's just a two-man show tonight. No, Dan. Fuck him. No, the poor bastard's hugging the old porcelain. He's unfortunately come down with that flu bug that's been going around, so we wish him a speedy recovery. Poor bastard. Worst time of year to catch it, too.
00:00:52
Speaker
And he's also been working through it. So he's just he's a he's a glutton for punishment. And that's the nicest thing we can ever say about him. But yes, tonight you get myself and Pete.
Festive Season Wrap-up
00:01:04
Speaker
And we're going to do the usual. It's kind of a Christmas year's wrap up episode. Yeah. We're in what I call the calendar's taint. It's initial tightly between the fun and festiveness of Christmas and the sometimes good, sometimes painful New Year's.
Upcoming Beers and Films
00:01:20
Speaker
Yes, we are right in the grundle. We're in the sweat pit. We are stewing where the balls lie. So, yes, we're going to talk about some good beers coming up, I think. I've got some good beers coming up. I'm sure Pete does too. We're going to do some reviews of some pretty good films, I think, as well.
00:01:40
Speaker
Um, I don't think there's, we're all kind of in the same, same game space and then a little, little review of the year that's been in a preview of the year to come. So, yeah. Might be a briefer episode. Let's hope we'll see how we go.
Teaser for Next Episode
00:01:56
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Lots of news to cover though.
00:01:57
Speaker
Yes. Yes. There's been, it's a little, yeah, the end of the year, a bunch of movements happening. We will not be talking about space vaginas. There's one thing we're going to, we're going to save the next episode is the space vaginas.
00:02:11
Speaker
I had the first fucking note in my arm. I'm so glad you had that. Cause it's the first thing I fucking saw. Sorry to decrypt what the fuck we're talking about. We will be deconstructing rebel moons into galactic vajayjay in the next episode when we're all together in person. So all three of us have seen it. All three of us have plenty to say on the topic. Once we've breached from the mother world, as they say.
00:02:35
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Fucking hell. Anyway. Snyder, you dick.
Beer Reviews
00:02:40
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Anyway, we're going to have some first beers. I'm just pouring mine. Have you poured yours? What are you having, Pete?
00:02:44
Speaker
I have. I am drinking Good Folk, which is a brewery I've not heard of before. Yeah, based in St. Hamilton, New South Wales. No, Hamilton, New South Wales. Sorry. St. Hamilton. Yeah, no, it's actually Beaumont Street, Hamilton. Sorry, I missed where the common was positioned there. So Good Folk Brewing Company, native sour.
00:03:07
Speaker
This is, I mean, it's a pretty basic can. It's pretty. It's pink. Pretty pink. It's a- Her mother's maiden name is Hamilton. There you go. There you go. She's no way affiliated. I'm glad we clarified that. It's a 6.6%. Oh, hello.
00:03:26
Speaker
Yeah, all my beers tonight are going to be high ABV and there's nothing I can do about it because I've got six beers in my fridge. Two are above 11 and a half percent. Lovely. And the rest of what I'll be drinking tonight and the lowest ABV I think is my next beer, which is a six percent. And then we go up to seven point two and then we finish with an eight point four.
00:03:47
Speaker
Well, this is great because I've had a few beers already today to be catching up because we're in the taint and nothing happens. So I'm starting with a mid strength. This is a nice little little. Yeah. Well, there we go. How you going? So in terms of the beer, it's.
00:04:03
Speaker
It's interesting. It's it's got a good tartness to it. I'm getting lots of fruit, but I can't identify the fruit. I'm trying to say you said berry berry sour, was it? No, it's called native sour, which I'm assuming means it's maybe it's a wild ferment that would make sense for a sour beer just to let that that wild yeast or native native citrus or fruits or berries and stuff. Yeah.
00:04:28
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Yeah. So I'm actually just going to have a quick look online because I can multitask. Can you now? Well, I don't know. I'm trying. Just to see if there's any information on, no, just says the brewer's notes are dry, tart, lightly hopped for balance. Um, yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure what fruits in it. It's, it's quite nice though. It's, um, I'm definitely fruity though.
00:04:54
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Maybe strawberry, and then some stone fruit in the back palate, but nicely tart. Like it's, it's not over the top in terms of acidity, but it has a bit of a puckering wallop to it and you cannot taste the alcohol. Um, so yeah, I'm going to give that a four to five to start my evening. That's a thoroughly enjoyable folk. Yeah. Haven't heard of them. No, it's always good to, to throw new breweries into the podcast.
00:05:23
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Oh, well, this is good then, because I've also got a brewery I don't think we would have done before.
00:05:29
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Cool. I am drinking and I have to say that this was bought for me by my loving partner. So she was just took her family up to a magnetic island just off the coast of Townsville. Yes, they narrowly avoided Cyclone Jasper, which was good. Cyclone Jasper, despite the destructive effect it's had on North Queensland, obviously brought much joy to us because Jasper is anything but a cyclone in our house.
00:05:57
Speaker
If anything, he's like a light drizzle or just some clouds on a sunny day. He's low energy. But no. That's because you keep him well-dosed. Well, I mean, yeah, he gets the drugs that I should have to keep me well-dosed. But no, they went up there, had a lovely little island trip, went out and saw the reef and everything. But yes, they brought back magnetic island brewery.
00:06:23
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So this is Maggie's mid. I thought after a couple of beers this afternoon, I would have a mid-strength. It's Pilsnamalt, a bit of flaked rice, which comes up very, very clear and pale. The hops I've used are Moto Weka from New Zealand and Sabro. Not happy that I saw Sabro on it because I don't feel like a cocoa roll right now, but fortunately, that's what I've been given. That's what you've got.
00:06:55
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Yep, there is a bit of coconut at the back. Dope.
00:06:59
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But that said, though, if I was in, what, mid Queensland, you say Townsville is? It's not mid north. You just say mid. You just say mid. Mid Queensland. That would go down a bloody tree. That would be delightful. That is perfectly brewed for the area that it resides in. That is really, really light, but still got a bit of flavor at the back. Yeah, it's quite nice. The coconut comes through. It's not overpowering, which is
00:07:27
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refreshing for, for what Saburo can be. Um, yeah, quite like that. Uh, I'm going to give that, yeah. 4.25 as well, I think. Yeah, cool. Nice. Very nice. Yeah. And especially after I had, so just, you know, I was telling you, I had a sour, a red IPA and a, and a double IPA over lunch, um, at the brewery, I was in Bondi and that's still the flavor still coming through after having those.
00:07:53
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Mind you, I did do a 10K ride back from Bonday Beach to get home, so. Just a sober up a bit too, yeah. But yeah, that flavor's still coming through quite nicely, which is good for a mid, three and a half percent, so. Yeah, yeah, impressive. Yeah, grab our Queensland way, pick them up, well done. Well, North Queensland. Yes. Or mid, mid. Mid, mid Queensland. It's North Queensland, I mean, going much further north and you're in four-wheel drive only territory pretty quickly.
00:08:21
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Especially in the mountains. Based on the weather, I suggested several hundred kilometers closer to the surface of the sun, too, because it's always a million degrees and 500 percent humidity.
00:08:31
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. The humidity is not key. That is painful. Yeah. Yeah.
Game Awards Highlights
00:08:37
Speaker
All right. Let's move into some news. Let's move into some news. We interrupt this broadcast with some breaking news from the front. Starting with a retraction from last episode. Well, it's not a retraction. It's not a retraction on our part. It's not a retraction on our part.
00:08:53
Speaker
So yeah, I think you reported on this time. Yeah. So the Discovery TV and Sony, so they told everyone that due to licensing and it sparked a whole big debate for us about digital ownership. So they said that you were losing something like 1300 episodes.
00:09:16
Speaker
of content that was going to be ripped off the Sony store. But if you had bought the content, it was ripped out of your library as well. Sony have now backflipped on it, everyone. So if you had bought some for now, for now, for the next 30 months, 30 months, see if they renege on that again when it comes to that time. But yeah, if you had bought any of the Discovery TV shows through your Sony account,
00:09:44
Speaker
They've signed a new deal on the licensing and you get it for another 30 months. A victory for the people. I have two and a half years to finish Pregnant Behind Bars. I'm relieved. I think you can do it. It is fast becoming my favorite TV show. I think you can do it.
00:10:00
Speaker
I think I can too. I believe in you and I don't believe in many people. I don't, yeah, definitely don't believe in myself. So, you know, that's, that's the key of that. Um, so yeah, I have never bought, I don't think I've ever bought a TV show through the Sony store. So. No, nor have I. Yeah.
00:10:15
Speaker
Yeah, Apple TV. I think I own a couple of series or seasons of series through Apple TV. But yeah, when I've been drunk and desperate to watch something. As we spoke about, it's the digital ownership. Like you paid for it, you bought it. Like what? Who gives it away? Yeah, exactly.
00:10:33
Speaker
So that's that's a good thing. The Game Awards happens shortly after we recorded last time. Very happy about this. Yes. Oh, Peter, you do the honours. You can read the winners. Okay. So my favourite game of the year, Baldur's Gate 3, picked up a treasure trove of gold trophies. Absolute fucking truckload.
00:10:58
Speaker
So they were awarded game of the year. They're awarded RPG of the year, performance of the year. I'm assuming that's voice actor performance from Neil Newbon. So Neil Newbon picked up best performance of voice actor performance of the year. He voices the style. Which you could also argue now is also a character performance because of all the motion capture too.
00:11:24
Speaker
Yep. Yep. Well, I've made that argument before. And I also picked up Player's Choice Award. You know what? Who was missing? You know which game was completely missing? It's fucking Starfield. Suck a fat one.
00:11:37
Speaker
Oh, in a good way. I thought you were like, you're about to say like, oh, I'm really disappointed that Starfield missed out. Fuck Todd Howard, everything he stands for. They've now tipped into the mostly negative side of reviews on Steam. So just goes to show what happens when you tell your fans to go fuck themselves. They also, so Alan Waite too, picked up Game Direction, Narrative and Art. And Final Fantasy 16 picked up an award for soundtrack of the year.
00:12:06
Speaker
And I'll be happy about that. Yeah, I think he actually mentioned that he was he was rooting for for F-16 to pick up that award specifically. I'm not 100% on that. And then adaptation. So this would be game adaptation to TV series was all movies or movie. Yeah. Yeah. So the Last of Us picked that up. And I'm really happy with that one as well, actually. I think that's that's a great choice. I don't think there were too many choices this year to pick from, to be honest.
00:12:31
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They had five on the ballot, but I think in terms of the amount of votes, it was the last of us, like 86%. And then the rest kind of like got a vote here and there. Yeah. Most of them were anime adaptations or animated adaptation.
00:12:48
Speaker
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. Speaking of in the 80th percentiles, there was also a bit of pushback on the game awards overall that there was something in the range of only like 20 or maybe a little higher than 20% of actual game award content at the game awards, and the rest was just fucking trailers. No, the problem was more that Mr Punchable face,
00:13:14
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had more celebrity guests endorsing games that they were involved in somehow than they had actual developers up there being recognized. They cut a guy off.
00:13:25
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Except Christopher Judge actually warned, yeah, Christopher Judge actually warned Neil Newbon to keep his thanks speech very short because he'll get kicked off fucking stage. But they kicked off a guy who was, I can't remember which game it was about, but there was a guy a developer was talking about and he was trying to like do a pretty heartfelt speech about one of the developers that passed away during development of their game. And they got kind of ushered off stage during that part of it.
00:13:53
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Everyone was like, Hey, Jeff Keeley, you're possible face motherfucker. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Especially. Yeah. And it comes back to very tone deaf, very tone deaf. Um, no, Christopher judge and God, I, I respect that man for many things.
00:14:09
Speaker
I respect that man for many things, but he made one of the best cracks at Activision when he said during his speech, my speech last year for God of War was longer than the campaign of Modern Warfare 3. And apparently the developers from Infinity Ward and Activision were like, hey, man, that's not cool. And everyone was like, well, put a fucking campaign in, you dogs. Like, what do you want from us? It was brilliant.
00:14:37
Speaker
That's up there with Ricky Gervais Golden Globe. Was it the Golden Globe Awards speech where he said- Oh, which one? The movie went on so long that Leonardo DiCaprio's girlfriend was too old by the time he finished the movie.
00:14:53
Speaker
He's not wrong. He's no good. Call back. Yeah. So, yeah, no, the game awards got a they got a significant amount of grief for the way they they had celebrity endorsements for games and the celebrities weren't even involved. It wasn't like it was Keanu Reeves coming back to do Cyberpunk where he was like Nick Cage in that fucking zombie movie game. Yeah, it was just it was just literally like, hey, we've got a celebrity to talk about this game.
00:15:17
Speaker
That's cool. No one cares. Hey, maybe listen to the developers, which are meant to be celebrating rather than some dude who's not even involved. Well, look, they've just been on strike for fucking two years, so they're probably hungry and need to put something on the table. Yeah, that's probably. Sorry, if Jeff Keeley is meant to be like the dude running the game industry now, like the awards, the game, he should be way more on, on to the pulse of what the developments and the people want.
00:15:43
Speaker
This is what happens when you get too big. He grew his fan base on the back of, you know, studio executives are disconnected from their fan base. I'm a gamer. Follow me instead of them. And that was how he built his platform. And now he's very clearly just as fucking disconnected from the fans.
00:16:04
Speaker
Yeah. Tall Poppy. Anyway, moving on. Tall Poppy punchable face motherfucker. And then there was obviously, yeah, as we said, there were some announcements and some trailers. I picked a few that I thought were pretty cool. You've dug into Valhalla now, haven't you? Haven't touched it. Okay.
00:16:24
Speaker
I know Dan and I have really, we've run through the entirety of Valhalla, the God of War DLC. Brilliant epilogue kind of, and a cool kind of throwback to God of War remake one. Yeah. Didn't they add a roguelite component as well? It's not roguelite in this, it's kind of roguelite. It's in the sense of arena.
00:16:50
Speaker
It's, it's, um, uh, no, which realm? Not Muspel, not Muspelheim. Um, from the first God of War, it's the way you have to go around. It's the mist. It's the, the realm of the. Yeah. Nesper. Nepelheim. Nepelheim. Nepelheim. Nepelheim. Nepelheim.
00:17:11
Speaker
Look, I am nipples. Um, no, it's nipple home. Niffle. Yes. So it's the same, same concept as that is like in, in that you, you, as you run around, you lost health, but by killing enemies, you gained health. So you keep going. It was, it was a timed kind of thing. This is that in the sense that it's just once you die, you reset.
00:17:34
Speaker
Okay. So it's not that you can regain health. There's health throughout it. There's all the sorts of power-ups you need, but the idea is that you go through the same, you go through every realm in it, which is kind of cool. It's kind of cool to go back and visit all the realms, but it's like you go through certain, you go through like the Midgard realm, for example.
00:17:55
Speaker
And the first time you go through it, then you pick a door, you go through that. It's the same door that you travel through the portal. And then you go to the like the battle section of that. So you got the hub world and then the battle.
00:18:08
Speaker
And then you do that and then you battle a boss and then you repeat. Once you kill that boss, it's like the end of the cycle and you just repeat it. So it's fair. So I am going to play the DLC. Oh, it's great. We'll probably talk about it more once I've finished it. Yeah, we'll wait till you play it. It's definitely one of those things that most people I think who've gone back into it have gone
00:18:34
Speaker
I can do this. I can play God of War. And then you go into it and you go, oh, shit, I died every time. Apparently, they've just patched it like in the last couple of days and made it even more difficult.
00:18:44
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I played it on what would have been normal. And it was just like, it was just relearning it more than anything. I think if you went straight into it from the main game, like if you just finished the main story and went straight into it, you'd be on fucking fire. You'd drown it. You'd demolish it. Yeah. Um, but you can play it up to like the most punishing level and it's just like,
00:19:04
Speaker
You get better drops when you do that. I think the significance of it was that it was announced at the Game Awards, but it was announced to say, hey, not only have we got a DLC that no one has heard of and we managed to stay away from leaking, but it's dropping in six days and it's free.
00:19:23
Speaker
That's the best thing about it. They know how many people bought God of War Ragnarok and they're like, here's our gift to you. This is our thanks. And it's a really, it's actually full of a really heartfelt story about Kratos' moves forward and like some other characters moving forward. And it's really well, it's written with the same amount of care and love that the main game is.
00:19:45
Speaker
Um, and it's fun. Like it's definitely one of those things. Like I've, I've, I've told you guys, I sat down and it was about seven hours. I finished the whole story element of it or the trophy element of it. Um, but it's one of those things if like Biden had shit to do in the next morning, I would have kept going. Like I would have played another couple of rounds. Like there was one guy who beat me and I was like, I can fucking beat you. I'll beat you. Yeah.
00:20:10
Speaker
But it really leans into the Greek, the old Greek element. Soundtrack in particular, and I know Dan wants to talk about this, but the soundtrack in particular is fantastic. It remixes in the old God of War theme into the new style of God of War music. It's a transitionary stage by the sounds of it, but let's park discussion about it because we'll revisit it definitely when Dan's back. And hopefully by that stage, I'll have fired up the PS4 to play it as well.
00:20:38
Speaker
Yeah. Um, some other games. I, I saw that. I don't know if you had any that you really saw. Um, Exodus looked kind of cool. It was a bit like mass effect. Um, so it didn't look anything really new, but it looked fun. Um, we've talked about black myth Wukong before. Um, I'm not crazy about it. I'm not crazy about it in that's going to be a souls game and I suck at them, but it looks amazing. It looks incredible.
00:21:08
Speaker
Man, I wish you had never warned me about Elden Ring, because the more footage I see of that game, the more I want to play it.
00:21:17
Speaker
Do it. Let's buy. Hey, hey, this could be a fun thing for the next, the new year. Let's buy Elden rank together and see how far we get into it before you like kill us. Yeah. And you can multi-play through. I don't know if you can multi-play through the campaign, but I've certainly seen people. Yeah. You call friends other people. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. To me, it looks like kingdom death kingdom. Is it kingdom death was a game game? No, no, no. It was a board game. I bought on, um,
00:21:46
Speaker
on kickstarter right i'm called kingdom i'm sure it's kingdom death there's another word that i'm forgetting the name of and i'm trying to look it up on my phone right now because it's in my list of but i've got to sign in anyway um kingdom death monster i think it is uh it's just this brutal
00:22:06
Speaker
game that does not pull its punches. And you start as this naked group of like four humans that are literally naked and you have to fight monsters. And it's just wave after wave of just the most fucked up gruesome sexualized monsters. Like it really does come from a dark place in someone's imagination. There are monsters with like penises and vaginas molded into them all over their body. It's not sexualized sexualized.
00:22:35
Speaker
But it's somehow weirdly. Yeah, it's grotesque, but you wouldn't. I mean, you know, if Hell was real, it's not like they'd be pulling their punches and genitalia would be secretly like all hidden. It'd be a part of the gruesome factor. No, you'd be dragging these nuts across your chin. Anyway, moving on.
00:22:59
Speaker
Trying to keep us on time and on track. The last one was the Jurassic Park Survival. Looks kind of like Alien Isolation, I guess. Yeah. I think this is the one that Dan was very cryptic about. This is why I wish he was fucking here for this. He was very cryptic about, oh, one gum, I don't think we'll deliver. That's my Dan impression, by the way.
00:23:22
Speaker
And yeah, I think it might have been that. I think he was calling bullshit on it in what it was planning to deliver. The trailer kind of seemed like it was delivering a lot.
00:23:33
Speaker
I watched that other game that finally got announced as cancelled and no one was surprised. The one that ripped off the poster from The Last of Us and the gameplay. What was it called? The Day Beyond? Day after? I think it was the day after. And we called it out on the podcasters. What is this horseshit? The poster is a direct rip from The Last of Us and The Division.
00:23:57
Speaker
And the bullshit footage cuz everyone was complaining that we keep hearing about announcements and getting promise that they're in beta we haven't even seen after footage someone show us something and then they showed a trailer that was beat for beta direct ripoff of the call of duty black ops 2.
00:24:14
Speaker
I'm just transposed into their world like even down to the the the the movement of the characters and the lighting effects and she has. It's been the last month that on steam so it's been they've had to refund everyone who who paid for it for those people.
00:24:32
Speaker
They were also, but that said, there were people who had keys for it, who were selling them for, I think the game costs like a hundred bucks to buy it on Steam. And then there were people selling it for like four, 500 bucks, a key to play it. And now they've ripped the servers out. So there's like, for the next 30 days, those people can use those keys, but then I don't think anyone will be able to play it after the next 30 days. It's been a saga. It's been a, it's been a clusterfuck of a saga, just watching it implode.
00:25:02
Speaker
What predictable outcome? Oh, absolutely. But yes, what will probably not do that is GTA 6.
Gaming News and Developments
00:25:09
Speaker
So we've finally got the trailer for that. People have been asking for it for forever. Geez, they do a good trailer. I've had no interest whatsoever in GTA 6. And then I begrudgingly watch the trailer knowing we're going to discuss it. I'm like,
00:25:26
Speaker
Oh, fuck they do good trailers. Shit, they hooked me again. Yeah, they're fucking great. My memories of the older GTA games and even GTA 5, the actual campaign was fucking funny as hell. Yeah. And then to set it in Florida.
00:25:42
Speaker
you know, and and see some of like they've got the keys. So I saw the bridges. So it's set in the state of it's not Leonidas, but let's call it Leonidas. That's basically the the word that you for it, which is where Vice City is. So it's back to Vice City. Yeah. Yeah. But like it's Florida. It's Florida. They've modeled in the Florida Keys because you see the bridges heading out to the map looks massive. Have you seen the map they put out? Holy shit. That's huge. Yeah. Yeah. So it's going to be interesting.
00:26:11
Speaker
And I like and I called bullshit when it first came out, but the apparently the record stands. It's smashing YouTube what viewed. Yeah. 160 million views when I looked at yesterday. I just don't see how I don't see how that's real. 160 million views compared to some of the like the the most popular trailers of all time for the most popular movies of all time are like 50 mil. That's that's not we just edged our way past the competition. That's triple.
00:26:41
Speaker
triple the trailer views. I looked at the most videos on YouTube and it's still got nothing on Baby Shark and Gangnam Style and all that kind of stuff. Sure, but I looked at trailers and I think I posted the numbers to you guys of the top 10 highest grossing movies of all time.
00:27:00
Speaker
and how many views their trailers got. And these trailers have been on YouTube for like five fucking years. I mean, I put Avatar up there. Avatar only has 60 million views for the Avatar trailer and it's been online for what, a decade? So to have GTA 6 and it was within four days had like 150 million views. I don't get it.
00:27:19
Speaker
I still think, I still think it's people, I still think it's people reviewing it. It's people who, who've watched it 20 times. Or analyzing the frame by frame. It's frame by frame things. Yeah, maybe. But people do that sort of stuff with movie trailers too, especially Marvel movies. Anyway, moving on. You had some really interesting notes around that the hacker too.
00:27:42
Speaker
Yeah, so I don't know if you guys, we talked about it back in September, so there was a guy who hacked into a bunch of servers. He was part of a hacking group, which I didn't put them in there, but that's fine. He's 18 years old. He released footage of a pre-development GTA 6. He hacked Uber. He hacked
00:28:04
Speaker
video. He also hacked a company called Revolut, which is a money lending company based in Australia, which is scary as fuck. He released all this developmental footage back in September 23. He and another guy were charged
00:28:23
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The other dude was given 18 months in a correctional facility. This guy, apparently because he's been given an indefinite hospital order, because due to his complex autistic spectrum disorder, he has a fixation with hacking and they're literally like, if anyone says to him, hey, hack this, he'll just go and do it. So if he's released- He's clearly a savant.
00:28:45
Speaker
As well. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these aren't small organizations with low level security. You know, these are some of the largest companies in the world. Nvidia and Uber. Yeah. Yeah. So he worked for hacking group lapses dollar sign. I'm not quite sure how they pronounce it. It's probably just lapses. That was probably. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. And then that leads straight into the next fucking hack too.
00:29:11
Speaker
Yeah, I'm pissed off about this. I'm pissed. I'm angry. So I don't know if anyone else saw, but there was a ransomware group called Residia and they hacked Insomniac, which is anyone who's played any of the Spider-Man games. They used to do Ratchet and Clank. They've done a bunch of games over the years. They hacked them, stole a bunch. This is the 12th of December and they stole and they've since released 1.67 terabytes of data.
00:29:39
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Um, which included a like, uh, a playable build of the new Wolverine game that they're developing. But I think the thing that pisses me off more is they released a bunch of personal information about not only people who work for Insomniac, um, directly as like developers and game developers, but they released a bunch of stuff for like, um, like passport photos and shit for people who did like voice acting forum or people who worked in whatever other department. So like, that's fucked.
00:30:07
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That's the more fucked thing. They tried to charge Sony and Insomniac like $2 million through Bitcoin, of course, because they're hacker guys and that's how they work, sure, whatever.
00:30:22
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Look, it's harder to trace than an account. Hack the shit they're developing and release like some footage and stuff and people have the choice to look at that or not. But like, so I haven't watched, I haven't looked at any of the Wolverine development stuff. I haven't looked at any of the screenshots. I haven't looked at any other stuff. The only thing I saw from it was, um,
00:30:42
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They released a slate of upcoming like Marvel and Insomniac games and I went, oh shit, that's kind of cool. Like, but I really wish Insomniac could have like revealed that. Yeah, but they're also that slate of upcoming games is out to 2030. There's bound to change. There's no chance that everything on the list today is going to make it to production.
00:31:05
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Yeah. The thing that pisses me off is just don't hack people's personal data and release it like that when they're not the people you're attacking. You're attacking the people at the top of the company. But at the very least, and I'm not, and I'm not, this is not, I'm not excusing the behavior at all because I'm completely the same as you. I think it's completely fucked. Yeah. But at the very least, at least they published that employee data publicly instead of selling it on the dark web and then no one knowing that it's been
00:31:34
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Sold. I get what you mean. Yeah. Because because having people's identity stolen without knowing why would have been worse than at least now all of those people whose personal information has been leaked can can at least attempt to address that and prevent identity theft to an extent. But the other problem with this whole thing, this whole game, this merry-go-round with with ransomware is no like big companies like this can't pay the ransom because it encourages the ransomware
00:32:02
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guys to keep stealing the data. At the same time, the ransomware guys have to release the data because if they don't make good on the threat, no one's ever going to pay the the fucking the ransom anymore. So we're stuck on this merry-go-round merry-go-round of just fucked behavior because of these twats.
00:32:19
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But also, do something more productive with your time. You don't. Yeah. Sorry. Thank you. Sorry. Sorry. I think it's a deserved one. Yeah. Yeah, they are. No, no. It's just don't- Don't fuck with people's lives. Yeah, but the poor guys who are in the art department and they're creating the, like, I think the suits that someone created in Spider-Man 2.
00:32:44
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And I was like, the amount of work that went into those. And that guy goes home the other day and then he gets an email being like, hey, guys, sorry, some fucking dick in a basement decided to hack our thing and he's got your passport now and he's holding it ransom. How many lives are like, you're creating anxiety and disruption in so many people's lives. But they've never done anything wrong. Like, that's the thing that pisses me off. Yeah.
00:33:06
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And it's just, yeah, look, I'm sure that, yeah, look, some hackers probably gonna hack me now and be like, oh, you talk shit about us and do this. And I was like, yeah, fine. Like come to my house and do it directly. And I'll, I will literally, I will teabag you. I will teabag you to your face. You will literally, you will envelop my balls in your mouth. That's how deeply I will teabag you. Like, yeah, fuck them. They're just, they're dogs. They're absolute dogs. Anyway, apologies. I said a bad word at night. That's fine.
00:33:34
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It'll be bleeped out. No one will hear it from me. It's just my perfect ears that get corrupted. It's true. Pete's very, very delicate e-drums. In good news though, E3's dead. Which, I mean, who didn't call that? It's been talked about for a while, but yeah, like we've been talking about for ages, but they finally said,
00:33:55
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Oh, God, we've fucked this. We have fucked this up. We shut the bed. Absolutely. They just literally shut the bed. Yeah. But yeah, see you later. Look, you were a glorified trailer. Well, you became a glorified trailer. Yeah, it's a YouTube channel, basically. You used to be something important when people were doing tech announcements, but everyone wants to do those separately now.
00:34:21
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That and the honestly, I think one of the other factors here is and you can blame. Gen Z is and they're short attention span, or you can blame game studios. It's kind of a vicious cycle, but you can't wait a whole year to announce it anymore. No, God, because consumers demand more frequent content, big titles have to come out more often. And you don't want to announce too much shit at the same time, because it just gets lost in the lost in the noise in the hype news. Yeah, totally agree.
00:34:50
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Next one. Talking of things that are dead, The Last of Us Online is now also officially dead, which- See you later. Yeah. Good. Good. Yeah. So, Naughty Dog are focusing on other things. There's, I think, two. Yeah. More than one. They said one on one. More than one.
00:35:06
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Yeah. Ambitious, brand new single player games. Now it's interestingly worded because it doesn't say brand new IP. It does not, does it? Tricksy little bastards. We did already know that they were working on a third episode to The Last of Us. So that's got to be one. I mean, they've just absolutely got to.
00:35:30
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You can't leave this there. Just to close that out. Yeah, exactly. And I'm kind of glad and I'm kind of... Did you ever play the first multiplayer from last of it? I did not. I did not. I have read all about it. It was horrible. It was shit. Yeah. I played it and it was, yeah.
00:35:46
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At the same time, The Last of Us Online was supposedly quite a different beast. It wasn't a death match style-ish kind of multiplayer mode. It was a proper survival MMO. And I've got to say, I'm in two minds. I'm kind of relieved that they're focusing on generating more amazing single player games because they're one of the few shitios that are focusing on amazing narrative games. Those and the developers behind God of War.
00:36:16
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At the same time, it's a really interesting setting to think about a persistent online world to play with your mates. It's an interesting like the mythos and the world. Well, they have released that. They've released a roguelite.
00:36:33
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now, which you can go and play based on the, which will come bundled with the last two remastered. Why is that getting remastered so early? Who knows? And how much are they going to charge? I definitely won't be playing because I literally just finished the game like four months ago. So they they've announced that roguelite in that we get to play as a bunch of characters who you didn't get to play through as the campaign.
00:37:02
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I personally think a online persistent MMO style survival game in that world would have been really cool. Yeah, but they said the right thing. They said we couldn't focus on that and still make good single player games. We had to pick one or the other.
00:37:17
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And they made the right choice and they went, look, we make better single player games. Like no one really, no one really played the last of us online. There are a few people who played out of all the people who played the last of us. And you can tell, cause you can, you can go on, on any of the trophy websites and you see how many people won trophies for, for the last of us online on PS3 and then the PS4. And it's not many. Yeah. Um, next one.
00:37:45
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Oh yeah, I think this is cool because I think they're about to announce some new technology. So I really like the Frostbite engine. I have for a while. I loved Battlefield Bad Company when it first came out. Just because you finally got to destroy buildings. Yeah, it just made it feel a bit more realistic. And it's been in every fucking game. Every Battlefield game. Battlefield game. Oh my god. Since. Yeah, it was Battlefield. Sorry.
00:38:11
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So, so EA have announced their rebranding and they're doing a new direction for Frostbite. Um, so they're going to announce some new tech in the future. They've just literally done a logo rebrand at this stage. It's instead of the, so they've kept the hand, which is the classic Frostbite hand instead of it being shattered now. It's like a topic topographical map.
00:38:31
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I've been using that for a while, I'm pretty sure. No, no. It brings a bell. I went onto the airway. Okay. I went into the design side of the airway. I'm making stuff up in my head then. Yeah. So now it's a topographical map. It used to be like a shattered hand. Yeah. Before that it looked like an ice hand. Anyway. Did they use it first? No. Sorry. Carry on. Yeah.
00:38:52
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No i was gonna say something really dumb okay and so they used to kind of yeah we're really like hammering using this engine into games and the other part of this is now the same like. Look we really like the studios that are on the umbrella to use frostbite but we're not gonna force them to use it.
00:39:14
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So a big thing was if anyone remembers when Dragon Age Inquisition came out, which I just suffered through again, they forced Bioware to use Frostbite for that. And Bioware never really wanted to use Frostbite for that. So now they're saying like, cool, if you're going to develop a game.
00:39:36
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kept in house for all the EA studios that they developed with. So now they're saying, cool, if you don't want to use Frostbite, you don't have to. Which is, you know, a kind of like... I think that's a move in the right direction.
00:39:46
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Don't use it, but if you could use it, that'd be great. Yeah. Yeah. I actually had to look it up because it, uh, so Frostbite as an engine name was so familiar. I was sure that the division used it, but Ubisoft's game engine is called Snowdrop, which is very fucking similar thematically. It's just weird. That's why I got the wires crossed in my head. Yeah. Frostbite was first used in, yeah, 2008, Battle Pool Bad Company. Great game.
00:40:15
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This one's for you, Pete. I left this in here for you. Oh, looking forward to this. So Warhammer, so well Games Workshop and Amazon have finalised the deal for TV and movie production rights. So they did announce in December 22 that they were in discussions and it was very likely to go ahead. So the new announcement just makes it kind of more official. They've actually put pen to paper. They've signed over the rights. They have 12 months. So
00:40:43
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Amazon Studios have 12 months to present their plan back to Games Workshop, so it's not guaranteed that we're actually going to get any content, just that they've licensed the intellectual property rights. No,
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00:40:56
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everyone said on this that we're not expecting any content until at least late 25.
00:41:00
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No, no, that's correct. Well, I actually think it's more like 26, but more... I think you're actually right. This initial deal is only 12 months to pitch. Yes. So they've got a 12-month window to pitch what they're going to do with intellectual property rights now that they've got a license to pitch on them, and then they'll go into production for anything that's greenlit past that point. Cavill is confirmed as executive director. There's a 0% chance that he won an up-starring in some of it.
00:41:28
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But we are talking about us a universe so they're not just creating a show or a movie they're creating a cinematic universe set in the warhammer 40,000 world i'm so they will be doing multiple tv shows and movie spin-offs of the already confirmed yeah i'm pretty fucking excited if i can get it right.
00:41:46
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And if the last of us is anything that if that's the kind of the standard that we use moving forward and it's going to be really interesting to see what happens with Fallout TV series, if that can maintain that standard, then I'll be in a really happy place for that. I think the bigger thing to consider now is that it's an Amazon Studios project again, which Fallout is and Rings of Power was.
00:42:09
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Yeah, I'm in two minds. Well, who's doing Rings of Power now? Because Season 2 is due out. Amazon's still doing it, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, okay. They just moved as past tense. Oh, sorry. They just moved where they were filming it. They're not doing it in Zealand anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so I'm in two minds on the studio because I think the Rings of Power was not a great example of production and set design. And pacing.
00:42:35
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pacing. The acting was great. The storyline was okay. Like it wasn't breathtaking, but it wasn't terrible either. No. So- Fallout's the next test. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I totally agree. But yeah, looking forward to seeing what that turns out.
00:42:52
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Absolutely, yeah. I'd love to see Cabo in a giant armor suit, like a Hulkbuster. But there's so much depth to that universe, like there's maybe 50 novels sitting in that universe beyond the games, and the game itself has like 30 years of history, maybe more now from Rogue Trader to now. So, yeah, there's a lot of potential there. If they can get the themes... Do you think they'd pick on a certain... Do you think they'd just focus on a certain era?
00:43:21
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Well, it's all set in the same, well, look, there's story arcs, if you look at each release of the game, because they're up to like the ninth edition, I think, or the eighth edition of the Wymer 40K rule set. And each rule set comes with its own kind of major story arcs, and then they've done campaigns. And every time they see a dip in sales, they run another campaign, you have to come into the store to play. I think a lot of that's changed now. It's probably all on digital. I've been out of the game for a long time now, but
00:43:49
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There is lots and lots and lots to draw on. The one thing that I really hope they navigate around is leave the fucking Horace Heresy alone. They've done it to death now. They re-platform the whole fucking board game on throw out all of your 40k miniatures and buy these new ones that is set 10,000 years before your miniatures. So it's all kind of old but new and it's just
00:44:15
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I don't know maybe for a new generation of kids it has the same shine that the old stuff had for me but it lost its shine for me the minute they made that move. And then they released a shit ton of books covering the horror series so i think maybe that'll be a tv series that they do but i don't think if i start there i think it's a mistake.
00:44:34
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I think they should focus in. They've already said they want to focus in on Space Marines. It'll be something cool like an Inquisitor. They would already lined up at one stage to, I think they were already talking about a show like two years ago that fell apart based around a particular Inquisitor who basically has to, it's xenophobia. That is the core theme of
00:44:55
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of the inquisitors is to stamp out the mutant and the heretic from mankind. And so they could go in the direction of the elder or the orcs or the tyrannids, whatever major foe they want to pick for the arc, but it's actually more about
00:45:10
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interrogating their own people. I think it's, it's very, you know, they could go down that hole, burn the witches kind of path. And that's really what that's based on. I was actually thinking then when you said that, like it could go down a hole, like Tinkertail, a soldier spy kind of like, yeah, they could certainly do that, but it's got some real, it's a bit hard to be a spy when you're in giant clanking armor, but you know.
00:45:31
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Well, and if they do that, then it's very much chaos as the bad guys, rather than like the chaos vortex, rather than the xenophobes or the xenomorphs. But I'm thinking more like witches of Salem style stuff. I mean, that's why they were called the Inquisitors, right? They were going around and interrogating suspects that had been potentially chaos tacked. As the expert in it, what would you, is that what you want to say? Or is there a different arc you'd like to see?
00:45:57
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Where would you take the, where would you take it? I think it needs to be accessible. So I'd start with the ultra Marines, which were the template for all space Marines and follow their chapter. They're the goody, goody two shoes of the fucking space Marines. They were uncorrupted. They were simple.
00:46:13
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Yeah, and then attach an inquisitor because the inquisitor doesn't belong to a space marine chapter. Traditionally, it was its own part of the Imperium. And so attach an inquisitor who doesn't reveal his true intent and basically just uses the ultramarines as their vehicle and their police force or to prosecute their orders in a planet and start there. That's where I would start. Okay.
00:46:36
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But there's so much good content to draw from. It's why I'm kind of excited. I'm greeting like a school child inside. Even down to some of the... Also externally too, we can say. Also externally. Yeah. Some of the content like, and I don't want to get, because I don't want to stall the episode. Keep going. But there's some books that they released around Armageddon, which was a set of rules for
00:46:59
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Titans. So they're really, really big miniatures that you had to go to against Forge World to buy that cost hundreds and hundreds of pounds sterling. And they released a bunch of books with the rules in it. But these were large format books. So they're like that big. For those playing at home, we're talking like 35, 40 centimeter tall, big ass books.
00:47:21
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And they have the rules in it but they also had like a hundred and fifty pages of just narrative around they picked a couple of forces to focus on to exemplify the new war machines or introducing in that chapter of the book. And so they would have like trench warfare described in this narrative form on a death planet where there was gases. They could corrode the space marines a minute they took off their masks.
00:47:45
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Yeah. And just talked about this war of attrition. You got like 150 pages of narrative just wedged between these rules. And so, and there's 15 of these books. And so any one of those books could easily be turned into a TV series if they were smart about it. When were those released? Oh, 15 years ago. Yeah, 15, 10, 15 years ago. I just think of like, cause my brother, I've said this to you guys before, my brother played, um,
00:48:13
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the original Warhammer and like he painted miniatures, but he had it's back when it was fantasy. So he was, it wasn't doing 40 K. Um, but I remember the book he had, which I.
00:48:25
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devoured the rule book that he had. But it's the same thing. It was not quite A3, but just a bit bigger than A4. And it was between all the rule sets. There was just this narrative and narrative of how these are how the wood elves would do it. And if you had the ability to climb up the trees, then they'd do that. And they'd do sieges from in the trees kind of thing.
00:48:45
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What else is up yet remember on top of on top of dozens upon dozens of novels like there is big as dragon lands now so the original when you say original it's the the warhammer universe is opposed to warhammer fantasy is opposed to forty k forty k pretty short came first actually.
00:49:03
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Certainly, Rogue Trader was around in the 80s, around the same time as AD&D. So, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, like the red box. But you've got to remember, for each set of rules, they then release Army's books, and those Army's books are very similar, and they're only maybe 100 thin paperback pages. But again, they're A4 in size, and there's 10 pages of rules, and the rest is narrative, and so they'll do that for the wood elves.
00:49:29
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But then there's 10 versions of the rules so they've had to rewrite that book 10 times and add new content about new heroes and stories and backings. So there's so much to draw from. Absolutely, yeah. Anyway, it's going to be interesting because if they're smart and they end up with a helmsman and it won't just be Cavill, but I actually think Cavill's
00:49:48
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got that spark of stick to the content and see through the the here and now shiny bullshit that the fans want to see and see the real depth to the narrative and present that instead. I get the impression that's the sort of guy that he is. If he can nail it the same way Feige does, then I think you've got another MCU contender. Yeah, right. If they play it smart.
00:50:16
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In terms of the depth and breadth of that universe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot you could do with it from like. Well, I mean, the first thing they need to avoid doing is just dropping, dropping little Easter eggs that never develop. That's the one thing that's always true. There's so many characters that they've been like, oh, this guy's coming in. It's like, no, he's not. You know, probably the MC. Well, look, I think more broadly, the problem with both the DC universe and the Marvel universe is they're based on comic books.
00:50:46
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In comic books, whilst they have told lots of really cool story arcs over the years, they're also circular by definition. Well, they reset themselves every couple of years. They're about to reset themselves again. Absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, no one ever dies. And really the comic arcs focus on this bad guy fighting this good guy because that particular permutation has not been done for 40 years. Yeah.
00:51:10
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But it's ultimately just, I've got a hundred good guys and a hundred bad guys and I need to pick two random from each side and then I'll mash them together and that's my arc. Yeah. Like, so I think ultimately it, it had 30, 40 years of legs, but it's kind of already running out of steam. We're already seeing that.
00:51:28
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Well, I mean, yeah, I think about the last big development from like the MCU, for example, we think about the 52, the new 52, the old 52, whatever 52 you want to fucking pick. I think it's a good segue into the next point, actually, which I've set up for you. Yes, yes, you have. So Marvel have part of ways of Jonathan Major. He was found guilty of the charges and they literally dropped him like four hours later.
00:51:56
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Obviously, they've been planning for that. They knew what they were going to do. They would have had a media release on either side of that. Absolutely. I'm not upset by the fact that he's been found. You think they made the right decision, but it's still upsetting that he let us down. I really like Jonathan Majors as an actor. I'm sad that it's come to this for him, but I'm obviously glad that he's been found guilty of any crime that he committed.
00:52:25
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He was actually acquitted of quite a few of them as well. Yeah, but it's a shame because I thought he was a really good actor. I really liked him in in Lovecraft County country, which was the HBO thing. I really liked him as an actor and a bunch of things he'd done. And it's just a shame to see an up and coming actor.
00:52:43
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who's let his whatever happens in his personal life come out and it's, but he's committed crime. He's got, he's been a charge. So that's all you can say on it. It's just a shame. Cause I, I, I enjoyed watching him as an actor. Um, and look, once he serves his time, if he wants to make a comeback, do it the right way. Oh, I think he's going to have a tall, tall building the climb to come back in Hollywood after that. Plenty of people have done it. True. Robert Downer, genius, the perfect example.
00:53:10
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Yeah, for different reasons, obviously, but yes, Hollywood has done this before, and look, if he wants to climb the ranks again after he's served his time, he's done his due diligence, let him do it, I say. It's just a shame, but yeah. I know this is horrible. This is going to sound horrible because it is a horrible thing to say, but I think it really might have helped Marvel out of a little bind, because to me, they painted themselves into a corner with Kang.
00:53:38
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I've been saying from the very beginning that I don't think he's a credible threat to propel the universe as a whole forward. He was summarily dispatched in... Oh, they've handled him poorly. Yeah, fucking oath. So, this gives them a get out of jail free card for poor fucking writing. So, depending on how they handle this now and who the new big bad is, and there's already talk about the Beyonder.
00:54:04
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which I think is an overly complicated mistake for them to make, to be honest with you. There's also a lot of talk about doom. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But we just get a crossover and get dark side in because fuck, why not? Well, yeah. We've got space vaginas. Here's a mother box.
00:54:23
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Yeah, no, it's just, yeah, it's a, it's a tricky time for the MCU. Like they've obviously come off one of the shittest years they've had, but also how it's, it's finished. Here we go. It's like capitalism. How can you just fucking keep growing? Eventually you run out of room to grow.
00:54:48
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We're about to see Prime, Amazon Prime ad ads. We are paying for cable TV to show us ads. We're just at that point. And then we've talked about, there's a company coming out that's like, hey, we're going to bundle all these streaming services together and you just pay us one thing. And it's just like, oh, so cable.
00:55:11
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Yeah, streaming cable. Yeah. But yes, anyway, long story short, this is either their chance to grow or to go, you know what, we dominated. Also, we dominated for 10 years. Let's, well, it's more than that. It's more than that. 12.
00:55:28
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14. Yeah. I don't know. 10 years is a round number, but let's use that as an example. But it's kind of a nice thing. Yeah, cool. We had a really, really good 10 years. We made a fuckload of money. And now it's kind of like, look, do we just, we temper everything back? We at least one or two films a year. Do we wrap up some old things? Do we finally bring in the X-Men? Do we not? But the problem is,
00:55:55
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The problem is, I think Disney invested so fucking much money in buying it that there's no way they can survive winding it down or slowing it down now and still get a return on that investment. I don't think it's likely. They really want to, for everything I read, they really want to slow down the TV side of it.
00:56:15
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Yeah, the movies going. Yes. So that's a good segue. So the Echo trailer was released. It looks okay. I mean, obviously Echo and Donofrio were both introduced in, I want to say Hawkman. No, not Hawkman. I'm getting my fucking crossover now. Hawkeye.
00:56:34
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So the Hawkeye? They were introduced in Harvey Birdman, attorney of law. Yeah, it was Hawkeye. It was. Look, Denofrio is fucking fantastic. I thought Echo was an interesting character. She's obviously a broken human and fits perfectly into that Hawkeye kind of mini universe. And with Daredevil introduction as well.
00:56:56
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And with the data and you actually did see a couple of seconds of footage with dead devil in it in the trailer if you look carefully on I'm I'm okay with that series I will watch that. Madam web that's a that's a movie I think. Yeah it's a site it's a site it's a it's Sony trying to use the spider-man thing to keep it alive. I just it was such a confused Holly Sheila fuck was that and.
00:57:20
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Like all i got out of it was it's gonna be and i look this is and i am risking sounding sexist even though there's absolutely not the intent or the thought process behind it but to me it came across as the all girl ghost buster movie trailer. It just we're gonna not the only one.
00:57:40
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I just I want to sound like a twat but at the same time that's it's just like it's girl power is set in spider-man but like okay but can you not make that cool there's so much content the drawer fun that would have made that cool and you just shut the bed. Well I mean we stand for one trial so let's wait till the movie comes out but like there's not much hope.
00:58:00
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I thought they did a better job of bringing in Mary Jane as as a female spider, Spider-Man universe character in Across the Spider-Verse. Yeah. She would have been brilliant. Just put her on fucking screen and build an arc around her. No, the problem is that they've had some some writer go, hey, yeah, we want to create a female Spider-Man movie.
00:58:25
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There's all these characters they've created in the comics. Let's just pull them out, and then we use one character that kind of connects to the Spider-Verse. In the comics, Madam Web is a thing, but she's more like ethereal than anything else. It's poor treatment of that character for a start, but then they're just going to- She can see the future.
00:58:46
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And then there's some random other chicks that aren't even the girlfriends. But they're just literally just, they're just shoving in other characters. Literally. And look, look, if the movie comes out and it's, it's one of the most thought out pieces of comic book literature we've seen in forever, I will not eat my hat because it's new and I like it.
00:59:05
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I will take several shots in an episode to an alcohol punishment be like but otherwise i don't see how they can just like i don't wanna say hand fisted i wanna say like.
00:59:19
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Clay ball in a pneumatic hammer just like that. It's just, it doesn't seem like it's going to work. No, no. Anyway, let's move on. Um, to the, to the, to the, the most, uh, the other accolade filled, uh, comic book universe in movie cinema history. Um, the DCU is finally done. Everyone can just breathe a sigh of relief. I didn't even know Aquaman two had been released to be honest with you. I only knew this cause I started on a bus the other day.
00:59:47
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Right. Yeah. So Aquaman 2 has finally been released in cinemas. I won't be watching it because the first one was like a 12 year old shat on his own dick. I've said what I said. It's interesting. It's interesting. So it's, you're right. In your notes, you've said it's now officially over and now in the hands of James Gunn and Peter Safran and Breeze and Life. This is the last film out of the DCEU.
01:00:10
Speaker
Yeah, and interestingly, and so they're going to do some Elseworlds movies and I'm actually kind of interested in some of the Elseworlds content. So they're doing a Joker sequel and they're doing a- Yes, that is still being filmed. They're doing Colin Farrell's Penguin TV series and I think that he will carry that on his back. And a Batman 2 obviously.
01:00:34
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm actually really excited for all three of those pieces of IP. Yeah. I just, I don't know where James Gunn and Peter Safran are going to go. They've both got. Well, they're focusing on that Superman legacy film. Which is, yeah, which is the first film in the series. I haven't announced who's playing Superman. They've said they're 100%. Nicholas Holt is playing Lex Luthor.
01:00:56
Speaker
Yeah, which I can see that actually. Um, but super like the actor they play, they picked to play Superman will make or break that movie in my opinion. Yeah. They'll either have the gravitas and this is the thing that they really struggle to, um, apparently they have released a Clark Kent, David corn sweat. Are you going to derail this, this, this episode with me Googling that David, uh, yeah. So David corn sweat.
01:01:25
Speaker
David, my taint sweat. David Corinne's sweat is playing Clark Kent. Rachel Brosnahan is Brosnahan. Sorry. This is confirmed. I'm going off Google right now. He's playing Lois Lane. Isabella Merced is Hawk Girl. Nicholas Hulk, Lex Luthor. He was in a- Nathan Fillion is playing Guy Gardner.
01:01:47
Speaker
That's the fucking do they Pete David current sweat. He looks familiar. He looks like he was in a Military movie like or a straight to Netflix movie. Anyway, we'll have to do some more research when you're not listening to us type Yeah, I think that will make a break
01:02:04
Speaker
where that goes. Both James Gunn and Peter Safran, you know, I'm going to say something a little bit out there. They have a spotty history. They've had some real cracker movies and they've had some really kind of movies. So it's going to be interesting. We'll say, looking at a picture of David and Corinne's right now, the dude has a fuck. He's got a fucking jaw and a half.
01:02:24
Speaker
He does, you can cut cheese with that thing. And boy does he look a lot like Henry Cavill in some of the comparison. Oh, does he ever? Hello, Henry Cavill Jr. How are you going? Can't wait for him to do the on fire muscly shirt walk out of the river.
01:02:42
Speaker
So anyway, we're going to move on to, I think our second beer review, I think is where we need to go. I'm basically finished my second beer because we've been talking so long. Sorry. Sorry listeners. The news always kills us. That's where we fight. We stall at the start. We don't because the people love our view on the news because we are the independent breakers there.
01:03:02
Speaker
What have I been drinking? I have been drinking the Callie Days American Pale Ale by Garage Project. It is sensational. Oh, nice. It is a very nice, really, there's nothing left. Yeah, no, it's a really multi-pale American Pale Ale. They use, they say they use the best of the US hop harvests, so they've used Cascade.
01:03:26
Speaker
Chinook and Centennial. It is, yeah, deliciously, deliciously hoppy, but really approachable. If you see this in a, I know this, this only came out a few months ago. If you still see some cans, I really recommend grabbing it. It's, it's very good. It's a nice model. Yeah. American power. Yeah. We don't do a lot of APA's anymore.
01:03:47
Speaker
No. Or any kind of pails for that matter. Uh, it's 4.6%. Sorry. Yep. Right. Already wrote down. Yep. Uh, yeah, it's really good. Um, so this is based on, ah, cool. So this, this recipe is based on their happy pale owl. Yes. Or the hubby. Yeah. Yep. Cool. Very nice. Cool. That's a beautiful can. That is a really nice picture of. Yeah, it is. From where I'd rather be. Out of five.
01:04:19
Speaker
4.5. Yeah, right. That's really solid. I definitely get four to whatever pack of those and just happily put them all away.
01:04:30
Speaker
Really good. Yeah. Nice. I'm drinking a snake farm, uh, from White Bay, which is a West Coast IPA. Pretty sure it's six, 6%. I had this on tap. I was very lucky to have this on tap. It's, it's, it's fucking Citro in a can. Oh, it's so good. Right. Yeah. Am I right? Oh, it's so good. It's just, it's, it's.
01:04:53
Speaker
It's pith. They've just fucking nailed it. It's shit tons of pith. And in my opinion, it's more grapefruit than other citrus fruits. That's got that real bite to it. Yeah, it's nice and fresh. It's not, it's, it's hoppier on the nose than it is in terms of flavor. You get that greenness. It's not dank, but you do get a greenness on the nose. But yeah, no, it's 100% citrus. I'd bet the farm on that.
01:05:24
Speaker
And at 6%, it's perfectly balanced too. How many farms do you own? I own many farms. We're not allowed to talk about those. Magistrate said. So I'm going to give that a 4.25. I'm a little bit sitting on the fence because it's not the best WC IPA I've had, but it's fucking well put together. It's enjoyable. I think it would, for me personally, get a little bit palette fatiguing if I had too many in a row, particularly as we've been talking too much. It's warmed up a little bit, but
01:05:55
Speaker
Anyway, let's move on to some mini reviews. It's up to me now to get us back on time too. So I'm going to blitz through these. A couple of things. What are you starting with?
01:06:10
Speaker
I'm going to start with Dumb Money, which is a movie. I really recommend this. It actually came up in the 2023 top 100 on Rotten Tomatoes. And I'm happy that it did because I think it's well deserved. So directed by Craig Gillespie and starring Paul Danno, who you will know from... Is he in the Batman? Yes, he's the Riddler in the Batman.
01:06:36
Speaker
Also, Pete Davidson, who has been in a bunch of shit, but you probably know him better than I do. Oh, the GameStop movie. Yes. Yeah. That's correct. And Vincent D'Onofrio. So Dumb Money is based on the real life story of Reddit. And I've got a personal connection to this story too, which I think I found really cool for me, but no one else will give a shit. So this is the Reddit. University in GameStop.
01:07:03
Speaker
I came really close as part of this because I was following this in real time as it was unfolding. So this follows the story of a bunch of retail investors, basically mums and dads and people at UNI with $10 here, $100 there, thousands of dollars later to invest in the money market. It was built around
01:07:30
Speaker
So, a guy on Wall Street Bets, which is a subreddit on the forum group Reddit, or the forum website Reddit, wrote basically an article about why he likes GameStop as a share. Now, at the time, and his name was Roaring Kitty, so that was his Reddit name,
01:07:48
Speaker
Classic. Yeah, exactly. And he's sitting in a fucking basement in his house. Like, he's not sitting in his mom's house. He's sitting in his family's house. He's got a girlfriend. He noticed that a shit ton of major hedge funds in the US were shorting the stock. And he believed in, and he actually worked at GameStop.
01:08:06
Speaker
It's kind of where, did he work at GameStop? I think he did. I can't remember. Well, no, he didn't. Anyway, I'm talking at my ass. Um, but he thought it was a decent investment. The problem is shorting, shorting stocks against the big boys is an almost guaranteed way to lose money. I've seen the big short. I understand that reference. So, so we're, and that's exactly what they did, right?
01:08:27
Speaker
Wall Street were shorting the position. They were basically betting. GameStop was a dying company and everybody knew it. It was like it was going the way of fucking blockbuster. Yes. So they had failed to digitize. It's kind of like EB. EB would be dead already. Were they smaller? That's the reality. As a company, EB Games is already on the way out. Also, if Australian internet was better, EB would be definitely dead.
01:08:53
Speaker
Yeah. So, so, and GameStop was essentially the American EB games. The same parent company, weren't they? I think, I think so. The branding's very similar, but in any case. I think GameStop actually used to be called EB and then it became GameStop. Oh, right. Yeah.
01:09:10
Speaker
Anyway. So the point was, so shorting stocks, and we're not going to go deep into this because I'm trying to get things back on track, not derail them, but basically it's when. No, we're having a full financial breakdown of GameStop over the last 20 years. Thank you. It's when you bet that a share value is going to drop.
01:09:25
Speaker
Or gain, but you take a short position. And you make money, if you're right, on whatever bet you place. And so Roaring Kitty noticed that the big hedge fund companies had taken a massive, in fact, it was the largest short position on Wall Street at the time. And so he was like, no, fuck these guys. GameStop's cool. They sell video games. I'm going to take the opposite position to the tune of $53,000.
01:09:52
Speaker
And they wrote an article on Wall Street Bets, Reddit, and basically encouraged everyone else to follow suit suit. And when I say encouraged, he was interrogated by the SEC and the FBI for whether he actually encouraged people or not.
GameStop Stock Saga
01:10:05
Speaker
All he did was present his findings and his basis for why he invested. That's all he did. He didn't actually technically encourage anyone else. He just justified his position. Right.
01:10:16
Speaker
He was basically ignored, but a little time afterwards, Wall Street bets picked up on it and basically fucked tons of people went, nah, these big rich hedge funds can go fuck themselves. We believe in GameStop and they started buying shit tons of stock. And because Wall Street had placed short positions against a drop in value and suddenly there was a 8,000% increase in value, Wall Street lost billions of dollars.
01:10:43
Speaker
Also, the stock market is dumb and made up. Well, yeah. But when I say lost billions, I mean, they lost a total of twenty three point six billion dollars on GameStop shares. Yeah. Including one single funds.
01:10:58
Speaker
I can't remember the name of it, but I didn't write it down. They sound like wankers. Lost 30% of their total investment fund, which is a very fucking big deal. In the end, most of these people were buying their stocks on an app called Robinhood, which was an investment app. It's an iPhone app. It was designed to allow mum and dad and you and me to place small bets on the stock market. It was supposed to make Wall Street accessible to everybody.
01:11:27
Speaker
That's why it was called Robin Hood. In the end, while Wall Street was losing billions of dollars, they appealed to the federal government saying that shorting stocks should be made illegal. Even though Wall Street invented the concept and had put at least $23.6 billion
01:11:46
Speaker
on shorting those stocks themselves against GameStop to basically appeal to the Senate, appeal to the SEC and appeal to the people who put the fucking money behind their company. Let's be completely real. And Robin Hood.
01:12:00
Speaker
Robinhood took the decision to block people from buying more stock, thereby killing the whole momentum and causing the whole stock to tank. So this is the movie. The movie outlines basically this story. It is very similar to The Big Short in terms of the way that it's presented. It's accessible for people that don't understand the stock market. I certainly don't understand the stock market. Unfortunately, it also ends the same way, which is the SEC and Congress got involved in the situation.
01:12:30
Speaker
Found that there was some wrongdoing, placed all the blame at the wrong people, and walked away changing nothing.
01:12:37
Speaker
Sounds about right. So the rich fuckers got away with it and the little guys got prosecuted. And in fact, he was a roaring kid. He was was heavily prosecuted. I don't know what the I can't remember what the outcome was. I think he got away with it. People, mums and dads and like random Joes made hundreds of thousands of dollars out of this whole process. But a lot of people got burnt as well. And they got burnt not because the market changed, not because the share price changed, but because Wall Street basically
01:13:06
Speaker
Got a little upset that someone- They colluded to re-rig the game. And that's exactly what they did. They rigged the fucking game. Same thing that happened with the big short where the mortgage market crashed and ultimately caused the fucking global financial crisis. And what did the US government do as a result of the GFC being caused by bullshit money markets? Absolutely nothing.
01:13:28
Speaker
So really fucking good movie, some great acting in it, really interesting story and one that hits pretty well home because it could have been any of us getting caught up in that. And like I said, I very nearly did. Yeah, right. So, uh, and then the other thing I wanted to quickly review was the four, sorry,
Doctor Who Special Episodes
01:13:46
Speaker
sorry. Take a pause. No, no. How was it? How was the performance in the film? It was excellent. No, that's like I said before the acting was great. You just talked about what actually happened. Yeah. How was the film?
01:13:59
Speaker
Really well put together. Really funny in a, you know, this is all going to end badly for the good guy kind of way. Like it was.
01:14:07
Speaker
like cathartic cathartic something the right word it was it but it was funny it was well written yeah it was really well acted I like Paul Danno I haven't seen him in too much but he's kind of an offbeat he's a growing guy yeah but super relatable is the guy and I mean I actually mean this in the nicest possible way about Paul Danno he's kind of like a weed he's just growing despite
01:14:32
Speaker
Yeah, I can say that. Which is an accomplishment in Hollywood. Like, if you can grow despite whatever's wrong with you, like, yeah. Some interesting, Denofria was almost a cameo. Nick Offerman was an almost cameo. Like, they've got more scenes than would technically be a cameo, but Sebastian Stan was in it like this. A lot of really big names that appear for a very short period of time.
01:14:58
Speaker
Yeah, which is kind of like a way of like making the making the film more valid than like. Not that it would be the like. It's a way for big name actors to take a position on the situation without actually saying anything in my opinion. Yeah, there's a lot of names on the list and there are a lot of well-known names on the list of actors that were in there for 10 seconds. Yeah, okay.
01:15:24
Speaker
Um, including one that I, for the life of me, I will keep a Seth Rogen, uh, was in there as well. And it actually plays a decent sized role. Right. But, but as a bad guy, which I thought was interesting for him as well. Wow. Okay. That's cool. Bad guy from a wall street perspective. But yeah, anyway, well worth watching. I highly recommend the movie. It's really interesting, intricate, relatable and funny in the same way that the big short was.
01:15:51
Speaker
Which is you know, you're dealing with a real life story, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're dealing with a real life story and that it has some gravity to it in terms of the outcome because it did actually happen. Yeah. It's not just someone's narrative. The other thing I wanted to quickly cover and I'm going to try and do it really quickly because you've been banned for this for years. And I'm excited for you to talk about Doctor Who again. So talk about Doctor Who. Yeah.
01:16:14
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see how this plays out over the long term. So Dr. Who's released the four episode specials, or four special episodes. They've done this before, and I'm not going to go through them one by one per se, but Tenet came back, as did Catherine Tate, and did the first three episodes. So they're technically the three specials.
01:16:36
Speaker
Okay, and the fourth was episode one of the new season. I've seen them come up on Disney Plus, but I have not watched them. Yep. I only recommend them. They were actually a lot of fun. But the first three episodes are technically non-seasoned episodes because they're specials. And then the fourth episode is one in the new season, which I think is season 14.
01:16:57
Speaker
He is the 15th doctor, which is a Nikudi Gatwa. So the first three episodes starred Tenet and Catherine Tate. And the third episode introduces, what the fuck?
01:17:14
Speaker
Sorry, my speakers were supposed to be off. I don't know what happened there. Uh, uh, the, the third episode also introduces the new Dr. Nakuti and then the fourth episode tenant has turned into Nakuti. I don't think I'm spoiling anything by saying that, but, um, or everyone knew if you didn't know what was happening and you're a doctor fan, you weren't paying attention.
01:17:34
Speaker
And Russell T Davies came back for all four episodes and is now show running again. And so he wrote all four specials? Yes, he did. And so anyone who doesn't know Doctor Who, Russell T Davies was the original showrunner and creator for the relaunch back in 2005 that's brought Doctor Who back from the dead, essentially.
01:17:53
Speaker
So, yeah, the first three episodes were Tenet and Catherine Tate. Look, Catherine Tate is an actress that grinds me, but grew on me over the Tenet episodes. Yeah, I've spoken with you about Tate before. I've never gotten into her as an actress.
01:18:09
Speaker
She's polarizing, and I can't stand her in anything else, to be honest, and she annoyed me in Tenant's Doctor Who's episodes as well, but she grew on me over time. As someone who was just like a no bullshit, she's quiet, she's just energetic, and let's just go do this now, rip the Band-Aid off fast, that's just her whole ethos, and that kind of grew on me. I did find, and I'm going to be really clear here,
01:18:37
Speaker
So, I'm going to criticize the episodes, but I said this really eloquently before with you, but I'm kind of not sure how to say it now. To be clear, I'm going to criticize the episodes and the way they handle the diversity content, but it doesn't represent an opinion I'm making on the underlying concept of diversity in TV.
01:18:59
Speaker
Right. So the way they presented the content is a very, very good way of putting it. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't represent my opinion. I understand where you're coming from. Yeah. The first episode really, really ham-fisted non-binary and a gender non-binary actor.
01:19:20
Speaker
and a character, so it's both an actor. I'm fairly certain they are a they them or a non-binary actor playing a non-binary role. To be honest though, they talked about them being non-binary. I don't know what their pronouns are in the series or in real life, but to me, they were presented in the episode as a trans woman.
01:19:45
Speaker
Um, but then referred to themselves as non-binary right at the end, but it was the way they dealt with that. They made such a big deal out of it as in that person being non-binary literally saved the universe. And if they had been, you know, male or female, then the world would have ended. And it just, the way that it was presented was just, it was just really shoehorned in and it felt really clunky and ham fisted. I just.
01:20:14
Speaker
You know, with Russell T Davies coming back, Russell T Davies is pretty well known for being very active in presenting LGBT themes in BBC or in the UK on TV. Yeah. I think he's done a really good job of it, by the way. I think Torchwood pushed it for me a little bit. Every character was either gay or bi.
01:20:36
Speaker
And it became almost central to the themes. And to me, that's not about inclusionism. That's just about pushing an agenda for representation as opposed to representation itself, which is okay. It has its place. It needs to be. You need someone to run so other people can walk kind of thing. Yes. Yeah. And it needs an outlet, right? But does it need outlet in
01:21:00
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Doctor Who is where I would kind of question it. And that's kind of a personal thing because the thing that comes with it, though, and I really want to say this.
01:21:09
Speaker
And I don't know if it's because of him being a gay man and being out in an industry that traditionally wasn't that tolerant not too long ago, but he also does existentialism so fucking great. And that's what made Doctor Who so spectacular when it first came back was it is very much about being human and the values that are being human and the value in every individual. And a lot of those themes were what made Doctor Who special for me originally.
01:21:39
Speaker
Yeah. And you can see that spark in these four episodes come back. But at the same time, you also saw a lot of agenda being pushed. So. But is, is, is, I guess this is the only thing I would say to that would be, um, is it pushing that agenda now so that when it comes to the new series, he can use that spark to naturally, naturally bring those, those views for people who are in those communities to make it like,
01:22:06
Speaker
Maybe. I mean, I remain cautiously optimistic. I remain cautiously optimistic. He's a brilliant writer and I think he would do it justice. Yeah, you say that and yet, like I said, it was really clunky and ham-fisted the way that he dealt with the non-binary. Did he write it all? He wrote and directed it. Did he write it all himself though?
01:22:29
Speaker
That first episode, yes, it's his episode. Yep. And then the fourth episode where, uh, Nakudi Gatwa, the new doctor, the 15th doctor is now taken over. He's first black doctor, which I think is great. He's also the first, he's either, he's certainly queer and he's non-binary. Yes. Um, and I thought about that too. And, and I, from a position of, do I really need any kind of sexuality in my Doctor Who? But in reality, if you go back not too long ago,
01:22:57
Speaker
Tenet was all about sexuality. Well, I don't know if it was all about sexuality, but Tenet has certainly made several comments about sleeping with Queen Victoria, and that's what started Torchwood, and that's why she fucking hated him. So, fair play. They have sexualized the doctor in the past, so I can tolerate a level of sexualisation now. I get where you're coming from, though. Like, does the doctor need
01:23:20
Speaker
Anything, any sort of sexuality, yeah. Apart from, you know, OK, who fell in love with Rose, fine. But then at the same time, there was certainly an illusion towards a relationship developing between Whittaker and her female, the black female friend, I can't remember her name, that never really got explored. Oh, the younger one. Yeah. Yep.
01:23:44
Speaker
Can't remember the actresses, all the characters name. Cause I really just skipped over the whole Whittaker, Jodie Whittaker fucking series, to be honest. But it's like, okay, I can tolerate a bit that I don't really, I thought you were talking to, Oh, sorry for something. I went back to Capaldi and like the weird daddy, daddy daughter relationship. No. Um, no, no, no. Jodie Whittaker was, I think that Jasmine, Jasmine was her name. Yep. But also I think that's, that's always been a bit of a problem when you think back to like the sixties Doctor Who, it was literally just like,
01:24:14
Speaker
Like he's an alien, like he's not falling in love, like you think back to like the original, he was a dick, he was just a dick because he was just here, he was just doing his thing. But he almost always had exclusively female, good looking female companions and I think there was always the assumption, it was never really dealt with, but the assumption that,
01:24:34
Speaker
They were potentially following him because of a romantic interest, even if he didn't require it. Who knows? But at the same time, I think in the modern Doctor Who, I can tolerate a level of sexualisation of the character because it's been done and I accepted it before. And I've got no issues with the way they're approaching Nikooty's role in that now. He made an off-the-cuff comment about what was actually 10 that made an off-the-cuff comment about finding Isaac Newton attractive. Yep. Whatever. And he had a fling with
01:25:04
Speaker
somebody else in the past, I don't remember who it was. It's like, yeah, cool. It was, it was on point. It was funny at the time, whatever, Trevor. I just, I really hope that it doesn't become the fucking focal point the way that it did in Torchwood. Yeah. I don't need all my characters fucking, fucking everyone. Yes. I don't, I don't need, I don't need that.
01:25:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah. We're just going to have, yeah, it's character orgy now. Diversity means the characters are there and represented. It doesn't necessarily mean the theme of the fucking series has to be about that character's, you know, representation. Well, it's also just the diversity. You can represent diversity without making them all fucking hornbags. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. People can be diverse in the way they want to express their sexuality without it being like, oh, well, we need to show it now.
01:25:56
Speaker
And yeah, and I find a lot of Hollywood and it's actually kind of gone a little bit political and we'll pull it back in a second. But I think a lot of Hollywood and certainly Russell T Davies in the past has run the risk of it just ending up being way too two dimensional. Yeah. A person's gender and sexual preferences is only one part of a very complex thing, you know, myriad of preferences that goes into making a person. And yet when we include somebody who's gender fluid, that's all they are.
01:26:24
Speaker
And I think that's a really poor way to represent it. And so I just hope there's a lot more depth to it. And I think if you can just go back to writing amazing. I think that's where it comes back to we're specials versus a series. I think you can have a lot more development, especially looking at the diversity of development over a series.
01:26:46
Speaker
This is going back to so many characters that we see in now being like shoehorned into movies and stuff. It's just like, no, that's a very complex character that needs probably a minimum eight episode series to develop before you can just go.
01:27:01
Speaker
Oh yeah, suddenly this person's in the film, like, you've got these cinematic universes growing, but they've neglected to use them for... That's where they should be doing origin stories, is in TV shows. Yeah, I totally agree with that. And how they then upgrade up to the big leagues, for example. Yeah. I think Neil Patrick Harris did a brilliant job in episode three. I thought he was a great inclusion. He's been, and I feel bad for him, but he's already been memed heavily.
01:27:30
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's unfortunate. From the third episode when he's just like, well, that's all right then. I haven't seen it yet and I already know that's something that he does. He's like the big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big
01:27:49
Speaker
Any diversity play. It was purely based on the character, but it's just that particular scene has already been named quite a heavy. Right. He did a brilliant fucking job and he's playing a bad guy from season two released in 1966.
01:28:05
Speaker
So it's really cool to actually look through the history for mad Doctor Who fans like he's an awesome throwback and he nails it in terms of acting too. I thought he was really fun. I think he plays a character that's again, you know, and we know that Neil Patrick Harris is out and but he has an energy about him that makes that.
01:28:26
Speaker
I don't want to say fun, but I got the same impression from the kootie guy. And I don't know if the actor himself is actually gay or not. I've got no idea. But he's got that kind of energy where it's like, yeah, you know, this is my preference and it's all fun. And there's a lot of fun energy around him. And I think if he can... Well, it doesn't define. Exactly.
01:28:45
Speaker
So i'm cautiously optimistic i think the four episodes worth watching if you're a fan i just. The first episode was pretty fucking ham fisted the fourth episode and all four on disney plus yes yeah and this is the other the last comment i'll make before i wrap on this is. The disney plus thing isn't just distribution rights it comes with some strings and i'm already seeing them being pulled.
01:29:08
Speaker
Right. So it comes with a Disney sized budget because they are investing. Yep. Oh, they are investing. Oh, okay. I did not realize this. And the fourth episode, which is the first, technically the first episode in the new season. So I was weirded out that I saw them on Disney plus. I was like, why the fuck are they on Disney plus? Yeah. Cause it used to be- Is that cause maybe seeing America's on Hulu or Disney?
01:29:31
Speaker
I don't know. All in all is Disney is now co-invested and has sold distribution rights outside of England. Yeah, maybe it's because... Yeah. They are now global distributors for Doctor Who outside of England, which will continue to be on BBC. Cool. Well, not necessarily cool, but yeah.
01:29:51
Speaker
So the fourth and final episode also did this weird and I look, I can I have attributed it to Disney's influence in a negative way. I don't know if it is or it isn't, but they did this whole really bad, badly built hand puppet mini musical in the middle of the episode. OK, OK.
01:30:17
Speaker
And it felt like, and I wrote this down, it was a Kmart version of the Labyrinth. Because you literally had badly made Goblin puppets and the Goblin King, who was originally played by David Bowie. And there's a lot of singing and musical content in the Labyrinth movie. And it just felt like a really bad Kmart version of that in this episode. So it did not remind you of the babe. And it was the babe with the power. What power?
01:30:48
Speaker
Yeah, we're going to get swept away in that. Who do you do? Who do you do? Remind me of the babe. I saw my baby. So apparently, Disney plus, October 25, 22, BBC and Disney brand television have come together to transform Doctor Who into a global franchise. How the fuck did we miss that?
01:31:11
Speaker
Yeah, I'll just be talking about it. No, we didn't talk about it. I think we did mention that Disney Plus would be distributing it, but I didn't realize it was actual investment rights. I just look, all I know is I just hope overall the series isn't tipped towards catering towards children because of Disney's influence.
01:31:32
Speaker
And just, you know, walks that line on the side of existentialism and exploring the depth of being human the way that the old Doctor Who episodes did that made me fall in love with Doctor Who again. It made comment on humanity in a way that no other TV series I think did at the time. And I think it's still sorely lacking in Hollywood today.
01:31:56
Speaker
And I think there's a place for it, particularly now, like we're, we're, you know, the real world's pretty fucking dark at the moment. I think there's any, any kind of TV show that was really on that level and maybe you'd say like lost, maybe? I never watched Lost. I didn't really either, but you know, I know it had a pretty impactful hit, but definitely, yeah. I agree with what you're saying in terms of the way Doctor Who impacted.
01:32:21
Speaker
Yeah, and just the way it presents the race optimistically on an intergalactic scale, while so much darkness is going on in the real world. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So I hope Davies brings that back because that's that was his signature on the fucking series. Yeah. I think on that note, fairly positive note. It will go to break.
01:32:43
Speaker
We're gonna have a break. We will. A wee break. Well anyway, I think size is a fucking hack and you can put that in the recording.
Zack Snyder's Film Strategies
01:33:01
Speaker
So there you go.
01:33:03
Speaker
We're back with this news. Not a fan of Schneider. Look, I've got to be honest, some of the shit that he's been saying about Fortnite, it's like, what the fuck is going on between. Between this whole rebel moon fucking, I'm going to re-release my whole, my two movies twice.
01:33:22
Speaker
You can wait another three months after the second part of my movie for the R-rated version of the first part and you can wait another three months after that for the R-rated. So what the fuck are you doing? This brings up a big problem that I've got and I want to talk to you about. No, I want to talk about this because this ties into Valhalla, which I just played and BG3, which you just did.
01:33:45
Speaker
Yeah, and it's course it's director's cards and it's it's after the fact releasing an other epilogue or something to add on to the end.
01:33:54
Speaker
Why the fuck didn't you release it the first? Why didn't you put that in the start time? I get the idea of sitting back after you've done something and going, cool. I wanted to include this. I didn't for various reasons. I'm going to put it in now. But I think a lot more now, it's just like, oh, well, fans didn't like our ending. So we rewrote it really quickly and we put something else in.
01:34:16
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think that ring. I understand and agree with what you're saying. I don't think it rings true for BG3. I just think that's maybe a bad example. I think BG3, they just ran out of time. I'm using them as current examples. Same with Valhalla. I don't think it's the same for Valhalla. I think the Valhalla epilogue was fantastic.
01:34:35
Speaker
Why was it left off in the first time? Like, was it developed then? Is it developed as a reactionary thing? Yeah, I can see your point. I think, yeah. I can see your
Craft Beer Discussions
01:34:44
Speaker
point. What I don't understand about Snyder's, well, Rebel Moon specifically is- Director's cuts and things like- I actually, yeah, I think you're more, more kind of inferring more about the Justice League director's cut and now we're getting a- I still haven't watched.
01:34:58
Speaker
And now we're getting a director's card of revel moon and it's pre-planned, but I actually think that's got less to do with the pre-planned thing. I think it's got less to do with Snyder and more to do with Netflix. So they wanted to release a PG-13 blockbuster film just in time for Christmas. And so they made a PG-13 cut.
01:35:18
Speaker
not the way that he wanted to cut the movie. And we talked about this ages ago. He wanted this to be an R rated fucking Star Wars movie. He always said that. And so we ended up with a PG-13 movie. And in three months time, so in eight, well, four months, in April, he's releasing part two to close that chapter. And then three months after that, he's releasing the first half.
01:35:42
Speaker
as an R-rated director's cart and then three months later he was releasing part two as an R-rated. Like, what the fuck are we doing, man? But also, why the fuck is he waiting three months between things to re-release? I think that's egotistical more than anything. Clearly you've already done the R-rated director's cart.
01:36:00
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And they filmed it back to back, by the way, because if you look at any of the behind the scenes footage after watching the first movie, there's a shit ton of footage in there from the second movie. So they were clearly filming. Probably utilising the characters that he never utilised. Anyway, we're waiting for Dan. I'm not going to get into it. I wrote a lot of notes on it. Yeah, we are. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying. All right. So what are you drinking? I am drinking something that that movie didn't do and it's called turn on.
01:36:32
Speaker
Until that shirtless man jumped on the Griffin. Oh, I was turned on then. Wow. Wow. Wow. That man had a rig and a half. Um,
01:36:40
Speaker
Yeah, my reaction exactly. This is from Bracket Brewing. This is a hazy pail. It's got Moto Acre and Citra. It's a really good hazy pail. I really love Bracket. They're kind of local to me. The guys behind the beers are really nice guys. They do a really good job. What was the ABV, sorry? This one is 5.2%.
01:37:03
Speaker
Look, they're using Citro, which is, as we know, the cheat code in brewing a beer, which we've said before, but it works in this style. If you're going to make a hazy pail- It's the right place to put it. Exactly. If you're going to make a hazy pail, just release into going into summer, fucking smash out a Citro hazy pail. There's no crime. It's not technically illegal. It's not technically illegal, and you got to remember that.
01:37:26
Speaker
And they do an excellent job. They now use that hop and they're balancing it with the Moto Acre coming through. It has that kind of that New Zealand earthiness, the earthy tones underneath the really bright citrus tones. It's a really nice balance. I'm giving that a 4.25.
01:37:43
Speaker
It's a really, really good hazy pail. Not something I'd do as a core range, obviously. It's a little bit too much. But as a one-off, it's very delicious. It's very delicious. Nice. What are you drinking, Peter? I'm drinking a Deeds beer, which I mean, there's always can go one or two ways in my personal opinion. So this is OutRun. This is the hazy dipper. Oh, look at that can. The can art's amazing. Yeah.
01:38:14
Speaker
Yeah. That's so cool. It's almost a, uh, I can't even, I'm just complete mental brain. I'm pretty sure I have early onset fucking Alzheimer's to be honest with you. 8.2% is the ABV. Oh, well that'll do it. That'll bring on the early onset. I'm only half kidding there too. Um, the random facts that I know that I forget, it's just crazy for someone who'd never really smoked. Um, it's okay.
01:38:42
Speaker
It's not great. It's not bad. Lots and lots of apricot. Um, what else am I getting out of it? It's almost, it's borderline dank without actually being dank, but it has a tang to it. That's kind of right on that, that cusp. Um, peach. Yeah, I want to say peach. It's a, it's interesting color. It's certainly hazy as fuck. Um, yeah, lots of peach on the back ballot though. Hmm. Hmm.
01:39:13
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Um, it's not unpleasant. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, three, three, seven, five. Like it's, it's well constructed and I'm probably giving it more points. Yeah. Yeah. Far from, far from. You could say it's not outrunning you.
01:39:35
Speaker
I wouldn't, but you could. Wasn't that the name of the beer? Yeah, it was. Well done. It doesn't hide the booze too well. It's not terrible, but it's not great. So yeah, 375. Sorry, what was your score? 4.25. 4.25. Cool. Well done. Well done, team.
01:39:57
Speaker
So now we're going to race through some reviews before we get into the spotlight and try and bring this back into time. This was some interesting. I mean, you gave me the first two as homework.
Film Reviews and Opinions
01:40:09
Speaker
Yeah. Let's do the first one. Pain hustlers. Yeah. Did you think it was going to be more of a comedy from the trailer? I didn't see the trailer, man. I went straight to the film. I did. I thought it was going to be... You gave me homework. I did my homework. I did mine. Fuck it.
01:40:27
Speaker
You're the teacher, not me. Yeah, I just remember seeing the trailer for this and I was like, oh, cool. It looks like the way they cut it was really fast paced and clicky and like, bam, bam, bam, bam. And I was like, oh shit, this is going to be like a kind of funny take, funny, but serious take on the opioid epidemic. And then I was like, oh shit, that's serious. It got real serious. But brilliantly acted.
01:40:49
Speaker
I think this was a this was a cracker of a film. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So directed by David Yates, starring Emily Blunt, Chris Evans and Andy Garcia. Yep. To me, this so this brought back memories of Boiler Room.
01:41:08
Speaker
Um, just really skirting the edge of legality and mostly dipping on the wrong side of the line. Um, and, and thinking that you can pull it back, but never actually pulling it back. Any guy. So you played a madman perfectly. It's a very believable, crazy. He was weirdly good at that. For anyone playing at home, David Yates, uh, directed most of the last Harry Potter films, just as a like, uh, bring it in. Um, I think the best thing about this was definitely Chris Evans playing a dick.
01:41:39
Speaker
It was in Chris Evans' Captain America. But we already knew that he could play a dick. Yeah, from The Gray Man. Yeah. And I actually, you know what? The last- Would you say Glass Onion? Oh, whatever the one was, the one before that.
01:41:57
Speaker
Knives out. Knives out. Knives out. Yeah. More actually, I, you know, I, what was the movie? What was the Marvel movie where he was talking about? That is, that is America's greatest ass. Well, there were two of him. What was, what was that one? That's Endgame. Yes. I got the dick impression from him in Endgame.
01:42:17
Speaker
Oh, yeah, he can stay with me ever since he can play the Boy Scout or he can play the really arrogant, arrogant. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I got from that. So, and he plays it here as well. But he also plays it in an endearing way in this film. And I think Emily Blunt.
01:42:32
Speaker
took home the prize for best actor in the film. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. She really walks that line of the complexity of the character is portrayed really well. And ironically, even though it was based on a true story, she's a completely fictional character.
01:42:48
Speaker
that was made up for the dramatization. And I felt the way that she played that character, I felt almost weirdly personally connected in like, I would probably ride that wave until that point. I think that was the thing. So it's talking about fentanyl, which is a highly addictive drug for
01:43:07
Speaker
Essentially, the cancer patients. It's a synthetic opioid. It's a hundred times or sorry, it's 50 times more potent than morphine. It was actually created was created back in the 60s, 50s or 60s. But on Cold War. And it's and it's apparently it's super easy to make. Yeah, yeah.
01:43:25
Speaker
So I did a little bit of research on fentanyl and there's another drug that's now that's sweeping America at the moment that's a thousand times more potent than morphine. And it's basically just killing everyone it touches. But a lot of heroin and sorry, it's 100 times more more potent than morphine and 50 times more potent than heroin is fentanyl.
01:43:48
Speaker
And the reason why it's being used to lace a bunch of other drugs is it's so cheap and easy to manufacture that a lot of people are lacing heroin with fentanyl. They're lacing cocaine with fentanyl. They're lacing crack with fentanyl. It's just everywhere in America at the moment. And it kills people because it takes one gram of fentanyl to overdose.
01:44:12
Speaker
as opposed to like 50 grams of heroin to overdose. So, yeah, it kills people. And the movie itself is based on a true story, but I really like Emily Blunt's character because she's someone who's impoverished. She's looking after a kid.
01:44:29
Speaker
who has, it's not a brain tumor, but she has a growth. Yeah. Yeah. A growth that causes seizures. She has no insurance. So it's like a 500, it's like a half a million dollar surgery. And then she's thrust into this world by Chris Evans character to make a shit ton of money on commissions selling fentanyl or a new delivery system. And that there's that brilliant quote of you're not going to make a hundred K this year. You're going to make 600 K and how much that will corrupt even the best of us.
01:44:59
Speaker
And yeah, and yeah, she was the only character that saw the future in the sense that she said, right, well, we're going to ride the crest of this wave until this point and then we need to go legit or we're going to get fucked up. Yeah. And when they finally got to that point, the CEO is like, nah, fuck that shit. I don't want to spend a crazy motherfucker. Yeah. And that's, yeah, it's just a really, really good film. Well presented. It's funny in the right spots. It's complex and cathartic in the right spots.
01:45:29
Speaker
There's a real, there's a real heartfelt, like I really felt for Emily Blunt's character. I think one of the best things they did with Emily Blunt's character and whether or not it's based on a true person or not, but it's so, as you said, her daughter has seizures and it didn't matter how big and powerful she got.
01:45:48
Speaker
She was on the phone, like at one point when she's talking to people and she's talking down to people being like, fucking sell the shit. Like I need you to make this money. The daughter breaks into a seizure and she just drops everything. And it really humanized that character. It really brought it back to like, just to grow like ground level and being like, Holy fuck, no matter how much money this woman has, she needs to be there and she grabs her daughter's head and she brings her out of the, like as a seizure because she's the only one who can.
01:46:15
Speaker
She's also the only person that never lost sight of what she was doing it for. Exactly. Yeah. It was a really, like, really nice line of, like, pure human greed versus, like, a pure human, like, suffering kind of thing, I guess. Yeah. It was, it was, it was a really, really well done film. Really recommend to anyone. I, as much as I thought it was going to be a bit more, like, fast-paced and a bit fast and loose and comedic,
01:46:42
Speaker
hooked on every single word by the end of it. Couldn't wait. Once it finished, I was like, holy shit, we sat here for two and a half hours. That was amazing. That blew past me. Highly recommend it if you haven't seen it. It's on Netflix for anyone who wants to track it down. Really, really good.
01:47:03
Speaker
Did you find that this is the thing because I asked you to watch it as like, as person in sales. Like, did it hit a different note for you, like, seeing sales conferences and shit that they were doing, like. I need to correct the record and I didn't at the time and I elected not to. I'm not and I've never been a salesperson and I never would be a salesperson. Well, I've been lied to my entire life, so I'm just going to go and walk into the river and come out. Until my recent job change, I've been attached to sales.
01:47:33
Speaker
Teams intimately because i'm the. I'm the technical guy in the room that tells you how so you got a sales guy that sells you the dream of the how you should buy anything that this guy says from my company. I repeat and then i will talk about okay well this is your problem this is your solution on the on the architect that designs an answer to the question that the sales guy gets the guy to tell us.
01:47:56
Speaker
I've never actually been a sales guy, but your questioning in that context is still completely on point because I've spent the last 10 years around really good and really bad sales guys. Guys that will sell... I don't know if you can say tea to Chinaman. I don't know if that's racist. If it is, I'm sorry. If it's not, I'm going with it. It's like saying eyes to an Eskimo. It's the same kind of thing.
01:48:20
Speaker
But is it? But again, I don't know if that's racist. But anyway, so I've known sales guys that are really fucking good at their job and sales guys who are just like, what are you doing, man? Just shut your fucking mouth. Let me do it. I can do it better than you can. Yeah. And so, yeah, it was really interesting with the Chris Evans character and his sales technique and
01:48:38
Speaker
And then Emily the overly aggressive technique. Yeah, he reminds me of the always be selling guy from The Wolf of Wall Street. And then Emily Blunt's character. Yeah, I can see a lot of parallels with real life sales guys that I've worked with. Emily Blunt appeals to the humanity in people. She understands the situation. She understands the personality and she sells based on that. And that's what made her so successful in the film.
01:49:07
Speaker
And that's what makes salespeople successful in real life is- They'll let Jasper in, sorry. Sure. Keep going. It's an emotional sale. People buy based on emotions and then justify after the fact. Logic is always second.
01:49:29
Speaker
There is a fucking silk, whining at the door. Yes, I'm just going to cut about 10 seconds of quiet out of that. Yes. Yes. It's brilliant film. Absolutely brilliant film. Yeah. Highly recommended. Really watch it and just, it's also one of those ones you can, you can kind of watch.
01:49:49
Speaker
You don't have to be invested in it the whole time. It was very casual viewing, I felt. But when it hit, it hit. I agree. It when it hit, it hit and you paid attention when it hit.
01:50:00
Speaker
I gotta be honest though, I couldn't put it down. It held my attention all the way through. Yeah, I wasn't looking at my phone. The only time I got up was to get another beer. But I watched it from the kitchen. I chose my moment to when I was doing a sales conference bit to go into the kitchen and get a beer. Yeah. Gosh, other end of the spectrum. The next film is just...
01:50:26
Speaker
This was the dumbest fucking film I've ever watched. It was hilarious. It was hilariously dumb. You gotta admit. It was so bad though. It was like if you took all of the actual funny moments out of Harold and Kumar go to White Castle, you get this film. Okay, so we're talking about please don't destroy Journey to Foggy Mountain. The treasure of Foggy Mountain. The treasure of Foggy Mountain.
01:50:51
Speaker
It's the most 420 movie that I've ever watched in recent years. It was so dumb and high. Like, but we decided to watch it. It was made by, um, what's his name? You told me I had to watch it. Well, no, I listed the movies that I've watched in the past days. And I said, if I gave you homework, if I had to watch rebel moon, then you need to watch at least one or two of these. I didn't say you had to watch every one of them. Um,
01:51:21
Speaker
Anyway, so I didn't experiment. I didn't experiment to see if I would enjoy it pissed off my head instead of stoned. And the results are? I did not enjoy it. It was stupid. It wasn't. Did you enjoy it up into a point? I think this is the question. I enjoyed it up into the point they found the treasure and I was pretty pissed. No, I had checked out
01:51:48
Speaker
when, like there were, okay, so there were moments where it was so outrageously stupid, I found it entertaining that they even bothered to put it in a movie. And so I guess in that sense, it caused a laugh, so they succeeded. But other than that, it was just so ridiculous and see-through and predictable. I basically rolled my eyes all the way through the movie. It was directed by Paul Briganti,
01:52:16
Speaker
and written by and starring three friends, Martin Helene, John Higgins, and Ben Marshall, who played Martin, John, and Ben in the movie. They didn't even rename their characters from their actors names and they're all SNL writers.
01:52:34
Speaker
Yes. And they're not ready for prime time. Sorry. They need to go back. Oh, no, they're not. But it was it was it was it was a pure 420 movie. It also. I can see myself laughing at it if I was stoned off my brain. If we were high. Absolutely. And it was like and I did say that. I'd say it needs to be a 420 movie. Conan was in it. Conan was just. Surprisingly in it.
01:53:00
Speaker
Yeah and he was just yelling me on the entire time but it was also john john apatow was connected to it somehow missing his name in the credits i was like really he was involved in it. I watch it after like eight beers and i found it humorous but halfway through i think i may be sobered up a bit too much and i was like okay this is done now.
01:53:22
Speaker
Yeah. And it's just one of those things that was just like, if I'd had an edible or I'd had a bunch of weed I could have smoked and then I could have like doubled down on it, I think I would have just gilled my way through any entirely dumb film.
01:53:36
Speaker
It's just that, it's a film. I was surprised by the cameo at the end. So, so Gatton Matarazzo from Stranger Things cameos as himself and it was a little meta that he did, he did mention Stranger Things. Which I took as the SNL influence kind of into it. Yeah. Yeah. But no, it was just a really dumb movie that I wish I hadn't bothered watching.
01:54:00
Speaker
Well, Pete, you made me watch shit and I've made you watch shit, so now we're even. Fair play. I don't hold it against you. Um, tell me to you for the next one, mate. Yeah, there was no maths in that. So like, you know, give me, give me some credit. Um, uh, I've also had a, uh,
01:54:18
Speaker
Should we call a preview screening of The Holdovers, which is coming out in cinemas soon? I was lucky enough to get this through memes, which we will not mention, but, you know, hoist the black flag. If anyone saw Sideways and you enjoyed Sideways with Paul Giamatti and director Alex Payne, this is
01:54:41
Speaker
same vibe, same, same, I wouldn't say plot, but like same kind of like thing going on there. It's, it's, it's, it's those two guys back together again. It's brilliant. It's really well acted. It feels, it feels very close without being like a screenplay. That's in like one, one room. I can actually watch sideways either, by the way.
01:55:02
Speaker
Oh, I think you'd really enjoy sideways. Yeah, it's it's it's very dry, very dry with very dry with. But yeah, so it's got Alexander Payne is the director Paul Giamatti is the main actor. Divine Joy Randolph is also acting in that she plays the lunch lady but also like
01:55:22
Speaker
a moral compass for Paul's character. And then the other guy they have in that is his name's Dominic Sesser. So they shot this film. The film was based in 1970 in a bunch of schools in the New England area. And so they shot it on location in these New England schools. And they were struggling to find, so Paul Giamatti plays a teacher and they were struggling to find the student that plays opposite him.
01:55:47
Speaker
Who is the holdover for the christmas period so the teacher had to stay at the boarding school for the people who couldn't go home. Right it's essentially comes like a teacher student bonding relationship they form a friendship. Through external circumstances bm so they couldn't find an accident they really liked as the student so they went to the schools that we're gonna shoot out and said hey.
01:56:12
Speaker
Do you have any people in your theater classes who would maybe like to audition? So this is Dominic Sess' first film role. He's a nobody. He's literally, he's done some school plays and he is brilliant. He is so naturally the awkward student without trying to be the awkward student that it really, really works. And the chemistry between him and Paul Giamatti is fantastic. So I really recommend it. It's in cinemas now. If you can get a copy through
01:56:42
Speaker
certain oceans and seas that don't exist on territorial maps than you do that and not that I.
01:56:49
Speaker
hit me up, I've got a connection. But yeah, like, it's really, really good. It's a great thing. But it feels like a really well written screenplay that's been pushed to film. And it's shot nicely. It's within the 1970s. It all feels natural in that. You don't feel like you're being transported back. You feel like you're like,
01:57:13
Speaker
Oh, I'm just I'm watching a glimpse of that era. It's it's not overly pushed. Like it's Oh, we're gonna put all like 70s music and stuff. It's all naturally done. It's not like pushed kind of thing. But it's brilliant. It's brilliant. It's very well acted. Especially from the young guy Dominic, who's who's not been in the film before to see him naturally like portray that character. It's really, really kind of cool. It's very dry, very witty, but highly recommend if you want something that's like
01:57:41
Speaker
not for provoking, but a little bit like setback and be like, Oh yeah. Um, this is cool. This is cool. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's have a beer over and watch and just enjoy. Yeah. Nice. Nice.
Best and Worst Games of 2023
01:57:55
Speaker
All right. I think it's time for us to get into our spotlight, which will be a, I think a particularly quick spotlight this episode. Let's see what happens. We do get sidetracked as we know. Um, so I think we're going to do a recap of our favorite. It was almost the best and worst, but I actually think let's stay optimistic and just deal with the best. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I do have one flop mentioned, but.
01:58:22
Speaker
And you've got one too. I think that's okay, but mostly it's our favorite content for the year. And what are we excited about next year? So this is kind of a roll your eyes, end of this year, unimaginative episode topic, but bear with us. So games. Well, do you want to go, let's go with flops first. Okay. Flop it out. Um, PlayStation VR too. Like what happened? We had such promise.
01:58:49
Speaker
It just, it's such a, you know what, the technology is there. It's impressive that the graphics quality, the force feedback was a nice touch. Like it really does add a dimension to, and the controllers are fucking brilliant. They're inspired controllers stolen from other VR technology. But the tech is there now. That's not what's holding us back. It's investment from studios.
01:59:18
Speaker
And it's suffering in the same way that the original PSVR did, but without the excuse that the tech is crap. Until we get more Quest 2 titles, it's just gonna continue to suck.
01:59:35
Speaker
I mean, is there anything like, well, I guess that's the thing. Is there anything you can see coming out that's like promising for that? I haven't even been following it, man. That's that bad. Like I should, and I thought about it writing this, this, uh, writing the show notes. I thought about, well, I should probably look up what's, what's being released for it soon, but it's just so uninspiring. So maybe we'll cover that in the new year. Well, I think there's the game that I've seen, it's lately been like getting higher reviews for
02:00:05
Speaker
And I don't know if it's just meta or the meta, whatever it's called. But Asgard's Wrath 2, have you ever seen anything? Have you seen much about that? No. Apparently that's like, I don't know if it's like the dying gasp of VR games, but it's, everyone's been like, I've seen a lot of rave reviews about that as a, as a VR title. I think it's like kind of cross-platform. So it might be something, cause that's the thing I'm,
02:00:33
Speaker
As I said with VR one, I'm waiting on you to go. Now's the time. Cause you're the person who's invested in it. Like, yeah. Yeah. It's just, yeah. Look, I will, I'll have to do some research and maybe talk about it in a future episode. There is some stuff that they're, they're talking about online. I can see at the moment, like, um, uh, potential for Half-Life Alex, uh, to come into PSVR two, which would be cool. Um, but yeah, like I'll, I'll do some research and I'll come back on that.
02:01:02
Speaker
I was talking about as my big flop was obviously forespoken. I was pretty intrigued by this game when it first showed and I was excited by it. I bought it when it came out and then I played it for
02:01:21
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half a minute and shelved it instantly. And I think the biggest thing that came to that was, which is a big complaint for a lot of games in 2023. Um, and going forward in 24 is that every big title now requires you to have an AI companion that just doesn't shut the fuck up. Yeah. So there's a big complaint about that in like.
02:01:47
Speaker
I've seen complaints about it, but like Last of Us and I don't agree with that because I think they were pretty well timed. Last of Us. Well, I think that's where they're saying it started with where how you played as Joel, but then Ellie constantly talked to you. Oh, fuck off. That added texture. I'm with you, obviously on this. But I think that's where people are saying that's where it's and that's what game developers trying to get to where that added texture. But now they're just like, oh, well, you can't be alone.
02:02:14
Speaker
Well, they misunderstood the fucking exercise, frankly. Oh, preaching to the choir. Uh, yeah. So I think, I think that's a big thing that's really like throwing me off a lot of, and it's, it's coming into a lot of AAA games recently. It's just like you either have a character that has to talk to someone or just can't not talk to themselves.
02:02:36
Speaker
take me back to the golden age where you played Ocarina of Time and you never spoke to a single fucking person if you didn't have to. Like, yeah, I think about like, and people are like, oh no, but it's immersion in games and you have to fix people. I'm like, fuck off. If I had my way, I wouldn't speak to a single fucking person except my barista to order a coffee.
02:02:58
Speaker
There's been lots of games where you don't until you get to a narrative point. So like Horizon, for example. You didn't talk to anyone in Forbidden West unless you needed to. But Alloy constantly spoke to herself until they patched it out. True. They did patch it out. You're right. To the point where she was she was solving, she was verbally solving puzzles. I think I might have made that comment. I completely forgot about that, Tom. Thanks for ruining that memory. You're welcome.
02:03:25
Speaker
This is the thing that they're bringing in these side characters. They're getting a character to talk to themselves and they don't give you a chance to play the game as much as you would like to. I made that comment at the time. You enter a puzzle area. You have to actively turn it off.
02:03:39
Speaker
Yeah, I entered a puzzle area within 10 seconds. She's like, I should walk two paces to my left and four paces to the forward and then pick up that crank handle and put it like, shut up. I'm fucking, fucking figuring it out, man. Looking at your background you've created. I'm sorry if you've created it too in depth that I can't see the crank handing out of, you know, the deep grass. I'm just enjoying figuring out a puzzle. Let me fucking do it.
02:04:02
Speaker
Absolutely, yeah. So I think that's a big problem. Aloy is like me. Whenever I've watched movies with girlfriends and I figure something out early on in the film, I've never had that filter where I don't call it out. Oh, that's going to be the big bad.
02:04:18
Speaker
More often than not, I've been right because it's not actually hard to figure out the Hollywood formula. I'm not claiming an intellectual advantage here. Oh, sorry. That's really bad analogy I've got right now. But you knew who the big bad was straight away. No, it's more just, okay, these three are the big name characters or the big name actors. They're all good guys. They're established. That means the other big name actor has to be the big bad because why else fucking spend the money to cast him? It's not that hard to figure out. Anyway.
02:04:47
Speaker
This is just me getting my comeuppance. Well, let's go back to the positive stuff. Best games of the year for you. Oh, Survivor. Despite the bugs. Yep. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. You're absolutely right. That story though. That's one of the few games this year that's brought me to tears.
02:05:09
Speaker
If you haven't played it yet, I'm not going to spoil it, but there is a big betrayal and it really hit me hard because I didn't see it coming. Absolutely not. I did not. And I'm never going to pretend that I saw it coming because I never wanted to see it coming.
02:05:24
Speaker
Even after it happened, I wanted to deny that. You're in denial. You kept waiting for the redemption arc that never came. Absolutely. It was beautifully written and the music behind that game as well on the way here at the time. I listened to the Jedi Survivor soundtrack every other week and it's just beautiful. That is my big win despite the technical errors.
02:05:51
Speaker
And when I finally fix the technique errors and got to do the thing that I couldn't do, again, not spoiling, but bounty hunting, like, you know, and seeing that amazing. Yeah, that was such a cool cameo. Yeah, especially for for I think we were spoiled that in a previous episode. Yeah, like not being able to see it before it happened. And then like,
02:06:14
Speaker
but waiting for it, like waiting for it to be fixed and it being actually a nice payoff for waiting for the fix, that was cool, yeah. Yeah, yeah, totally agree. I think we both put down, I'll come to my favorite of the year, but I think we both put down Hogwarts was fun. It was a beautiful way to jump back into that world. Yeah, I totally agree. And it was well timed because it was getting to a point where- What else are you gonna do with it? Exactly.
02:06:44
Speaker
Yeah, we'd seen the movies and they were kind of like, and I re-watched them every few years, but it's now a part of history. And so it was the right time to add new content into that universe, in my opinion. And it was fun. It didn't take itself too seriously. It wasn't a perfect game. It wasn't a bad game. I thoroughly enjoyed it, topped the tail, and I played it from start to finish. Like, I didn't put it down until it was done.
02:07:14
Speaker
Oh, look, it stand stood out as fun. And I say that because I didn't put it down until it was done. But the minute it was done, I moved on and didn't give it a second thought. Yes. No, I agree with you there. Yeah. Yeah. Um, for me, uh, BG three, so bold escape three was easily my favorite game of the year. And I don't think that should be any surprise to anyone who listens to the show. I'll talk about it a little bit in are you winning son? But that's all I'm going to say on it for now. Cause I don't want to get into a rabbit hole
Top TV Series of 2023
02:07:43
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the time.
02:07:43
Speaker
No, yeah, I don't think not much else came out in 23 really like. I went through a full list and I have to admit I didn't read every line of every game that was released in 2023 because it's a very long ass list, but nothing jumped out.
02:08:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think of the games I played and there were a bunch in there that was like, oh, they were fun, but they weren't tickly. Standouts. Yeah. Spider-Man 2 was pretty amazing. I'm surprised it wasn't on your list, to be honest. I had to go back and check God of War, Ragnarok, but that was November 2022. Yes. That came out just before the new year. I think the only reason that Spider-Man 2 wasn't on my list of amazing games
02:08:34
Speaker
I wanted it to be more. I felt it was a bit short.
02:08:39
Speaker
Which is saying a lot. Like, but I, I remember the only reason I blitzed through Spider-Man one when it first came out, the Insomniac version was cause I'd just broken my ankle and I was literally homebound and I had nothing else to do for an entire week, but play Spider-Man and I platinum the game. I was playing this while working and granted I took like a day or two off to play it, but same time it was just like,
02:09:07
Speaker
I felt like for having two Spider-Man in it, it needed more, more content. Yeah. Like whether it was, whether it was more villains, like, it's like story story storylines to follow. Um, maybe like they, they really touched on previous villains from previous stories in the, in the game universe at least, um, or something else. They made a few references to other things in the Spider-Man. It's just, yeah, it, it, it felt like.
02:09:37
Speaker
like a, like a skim off the top. Like I really wanted a really deep cut. And I think that's the only reason it's been pulled back. And I look, I'm, I'm not going to say that it deserved any of the awards at the video game awards more than any other games. Cause I have this few of them I haven't played and I can't comment on those. Um, but I'm still surprised that didn't win any, any awards that it was nominated for. I think it was, I think it was still a brilliant game, but just, I wanted more from it from what I've seen before.
02:10:06
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. It's one of the ones. Yeah. Again, I'll talk about it in Are You Winning, Son? Let's move on to TV shows. So when I made my quick list and you know what? These are short lists on purpose. I tried to stay away from anything that was a season two because there is, and there is exceptions.
02:10:26
Speaker
I do have an exception there. What's your reception? Particularly for, well, actually, sorry, my exception is more in 2024. I tried to steer clear of, I'm really looking forward to, uh, uh, foundation season three. Cause it's like, you're not really saying much there. Um, my favorite TV series that were net new in 2023 were Gen V, which was the spinoff from the boys. And it's just.
02:10:54
Speaker
It's exactly what you expect out of a university of superheroes. The dark, evil, sexual shit they get up to is well dealt with. And obviously, there's a little bit of ick, like as we're middle aged men.
02:11:13
Speaker
You know, in terms of how they deal with young teenagers, sorry, young 20 something year olds, late teenagers dealing with sexuality, they could have done that really badly. They did it really well. It's there, but it's dealt with well.
02:11:28
Speaker
That's exactly what you'd fucking expect, too. Silo was a really cool, it's offbeat, it's different. It's, you know, new intellectual property that's well thought out and well imagined. Lots of conspiracy theory kind of based storytelling in a very small environment, which I thought was cool. And my last one was The Last of Us, which to me, that was my favorite TV series for the year.
02:11:56
Speaker
by a country fucking mile. I've watched that three times now. Wow. Three times. Yeah. But I would have said.
02:12:07
Speaker
I talked about it recently, Wheel of Time season two. I really enjoyed that. That's a TV series in 2023, but it's not really saying much that it's a continuation of an existing series. I think it is in the sense that it's come around from what it was. That one, yes. In that context that it breathed life into a series that I think did a really bad job of its pilot season.
02:12:33
Speaker
But like i said like in terms of myself constraints that i placed on myself when i write this out i kind of skipped anything that was another season of something no i get that yeah.
02:12:45
Speaker
What about you? Unfortunately, we've talked about this before. I'm struggling to get back into TV now. I can't sit down and watch a series. The one series I've actually watched this year has been going back and watching an old series of Taskmaster. That's the only thing I've actually sat down and really watched. You haven't seen Loki season two, for example?
02:13:10
Speaker
I got halfway through and just, I will watch it at some point, but it didn't compel me to watch it. It really, unfortunately for Loki season two, it really took to the last episodes to really hook you. And then it was like, it was a, it was a brilliant end to the series. And, but same time, like.
02:13:30
Speaker
I wasn't excited by it, I don't think, like Last of Us I'd never watched because I didn't have the binge at the time. Do you have it now? I do, yes. Have you seen Last of Us now? No, I haven't watched it. This is my half the problem. I can't bring myself to sit down and watch a TV series right now. I really struggle to do this now because any time I watch TV series, unless it really grips me or I can commit to the time it needs,
02:13:59
Speaker
I'd rather play a video game. I think that's just where I'm at. And that's been, that's been my problem over the last like 24 months. I think we've talked about it because I've talked about series that I can't get into. You guys have raved about that. I should fucking be chomping at the bit for, but I'd rather play through it as a video game.
02:14:19
Speaker
Yeah yeah that's a whole personal thing like me and me and my like my the way out that I interact with those those mediums yeah having said that I like I've been looking at episodes or content that I've been consuming recently in terms of TV and I've noticed a trend towards either. Lots of 1520 minute episodes.
02:14:40
Speaker
Like you might get 20 or 24 in a season and that's okay. Um, because I'll spread that out on purpose because I know I'm going to have to wait another year for the next season. Yeah. But everything else is like eight episodes. They're 45 to 55 minute episodes, but there's only eight of them. Yeah. And I think that's the thing is like, I'd rather watch the shorter ones and spread it out rather than
02:15:05
Speaker
I think you should watch Last of Us though. I definitely should. I definitely should. You'll end up finding a way to make the time. I love people who act in that. I love them as actors. But I think you'll find that you'll make the time for that series because it will hook you pretty quickly. I think if it hasn't hooked you by the second episode, you're not going to enjoy the series. This is actually my problem currently, looking at my streaming services and
02:15:30
Speaker
and a bunch of them, that there's a bunch of things in there that I'm like, holy crap. First episode, great. Second episode, great. Third episode, okay. And then I stop. I'm really struggling to get over that hump.
02:15:44
Speaker
I get it. I get it. I don't think you'll have that issue with TLOU because the pacing is so fucking biased. I don't think I will like that because I obviously know the story and I want to see them do it. That's not why though. It's also, they had a lot of content, narrative content to cram into eight episodes. No, but I, sorry, just for me, I think that's the thing that will push me forward is to be, to get to that point. Cause I know the story. I want to get there. I want to see it play out again. Yeah, I get it. So I played the game like four, three, four times. Yeah.
02:16:14
Speaker
But I think it's, yeah, I understand where you're coming from, but I would, I would add to that. This is a rare series that does not suffer from any pacing issues at all. Oh, and that's the thing. I'm not saying it will suffer from any pacing issues. It's literally just thinking about a 50 minute episode, like.
02:16:37
Speaker
It's already putting me off. Yeah, I get it. I'm the opposite at the moment, by the way. I've been chewing up content, which is great.
02:16:45
Speaker
Yeah. And I've got, and I've had no real desire to play video games since BG3 finished, but we'll, we'll talk about that later. Um, uh, did you have any other TV? No, not really. No, no, nothing, nothing other side than what you've mentioned, or we've already talked about, which is all again, all season two stuff. Like it's all stuff we've talked about before. And it's just, it's, it's stories being wrapped up.
02:17:08
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Movies.
Top Films of 2023
02:17:12
Speaker
So on my list to start with was Sisu.
02:17:16
Speaker
Oh, that was so good. Oh, that was so good. Yeah. Which to me is like the boys and Gen V in it being unequivocal about it does not pull its punches. It just tells a story. It's gruesome. It's outrageous. It was so outrageous. It was so good. And yet it also and it's and it's also completely different from the boys and Gen V in the sense that
02:17:41
Speaker
The main protagonist hardly talks. There is no real dialogue in the film. It is outrageous and ridiculous. There's a connection to reality, but you know it's not telling a real story. It's not real. It's fun in a really fucked up, I have a seat warming in hell for me kind of way.
02:18:03
Speaker
Which is why I think that Silent Night is going to be so good. Cause it's the same thing. Like the protagonist doesn't talk, but he just fucks shit up. I'm so fucking disappointed that that was not a Christmas release. Cause it would say it's a Christmas movie. Is it not being released? Is it? No. No. I still gotta watch Silent Night, which apparently is next level two. No. Which one? Violent Night. Violent Night and Silent Night are the two. Yeah. Violent Night. Um,
02:18:31
Speaker
Have I seen that one? Yes, I have seen that one. That's the one with David Harbour. I'm pretty sure Silent Night's out. It's out now in maybe theaters. So who's going on about it? I think it is in cinemas. But anyway, in terms of my favorites, Dungeons of the Dragons, Honor Among Thieves, I think nailed the D&D motif.
02:18:58
Speaker
I still haven't seen it and I am very keen to watch it, though. It's it's. It's funny in the right ways, in the right places. It's. Dry in the right places, too. Yeah. I talked about my my first Baldur's Gate 3 playthrough where my main character was the the typical fucking Goody Goody two shoes paladin. They have a typical Goody Goody two shoes paladin in
02:19:26
Speaker
Amongst themes and the way that he's portrayed is exactly the right way to portray him to portray him It's dry humor in the fact that he's taking himself way too seriously and everyone else thinks it's fucking hilarious The comedy beats in that show are in that movie are brilliant and yet it tells an unequivocal D&D story and it does it really well and
02:19:50
Speaker
Well, I think it's one of the things like I haven't seen it yet, but Emma's watched it and she was just like, look, I don't really understand D&D, but I fucking loved it. I mean, I think that's a testament to someone like the story. It's the granddaddy of adventure films like or adventure narratives. Yeah. And so many movies have been influenced by D&D. Yeah. And so for them to tell the original story or one of like a story set in that original world,
02:20:19
Speaker
It's unsurprising that, I'm glad they did a good job because I could have shut the bed really easily. But it's a really good place to do that kind of stuff. A real phoning job. Yeah. Yeah. And the characters I picked for it as much as we sat back, so Dan and I, I think more than you, sat back and said, Christopher Pine is not the first person I would have looked at for this, this role. And this could be really bad. And yet his comedic timing made the fucking movie.
02:20:50
Speaker
Which is what you want. Yeah. Yeah. And then the last one on my list was The Creator. That was... Yeah, it was good. Yeah. I'm really... Yeah. So for me, that was better than good, but I'm really juggling, excuse me, between D&D and The Creator for my favourite movie for the year.
02:21:11
Speaker
I can see why the creator would do that. I agree with you in that it was an exceptional film. It was a very well-made film. Everything that was put into that from a design perspective, from a
02:21:25
Speaker
Especially from like a CG perspective. But even the way they told the story. Yeah. It was so well done. Um, and I'm, I'm with you guys. I, I don't agree with like the, it's the overdone or like, uh, AI story that was one of the reviews we got. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it's that at all. I thought it was, it wasn't necessarily breaking new ground, but I don't think it was treading old water.
02:21:53
Speaker
No, and I, yeah, I, I've never seen, and I've, look, I'm a, I'm a science fiction fucking nerd and I read a shitload more than I watch. Um, I'm starved for good sci-fi content on TV. Absolutely. I wish there was more. That's why I'm so in love with foundation. Um, cause it really does tell that intergalactic, um, story that, that turns me on so much. Um,
02:22:20
Speaker
And it's the creator, when you're talking about AI and the ground that it's tread before, I can't think of a single movie in recent history that gives a humanity to artificial intelligence in the sense that it just wants to be left alone. It just wants to exist. It wants a right to exist. That was the best thing about the film was just how much you want to be left alone. Like.
02:22:44
Speaker
Yeah. It didn't want conflict. It didn't want domination. It didn't want any of that. It just wanted to be left the fuck alone to exist. It wanted a right to exist. Which is exactly how I- And I think that made the story very human. Well, that's how I replicated with their thing. I was on their course. I was like, yeah, absolutely. Leave me the fuck alone. Like I talked to me. Like, yeah.
Super Mario Brothers Movie
02:23:06
Speaker
Um, on the opposite polar side of that, my film of the year has to be Super Mario Brothers.
02:23:14
Speaker
And it's a brilliant fucking movie too. I cannot get over how much joy that movie brings me even posts like watching it. And then going back and watching it even like, yeah, Villeneuve, I watched it in my own fucking mouth. Fuck you. In your bathtub. Yeah, I watched in the bathtub. I had one.
02:23:34
Speaker
It was just a testament to Illumination's animation style and how bright and colorful they can make an entire world. The music is next level good. I know that music directors over the years have tried to incorporate Mario's classic themes that were written by Kenji Kondo into other medias.
02:24:00
Speaker
The way that Tyler Bates did that and he incorporated everything into like His own Mario theme as well like because he had his own Mario Brothers theme But then he still incorporated classic ones. It was beautifully done. It was seamless. It was amazing and I
02:24:18
Speaker
I don't think I'd ever really think in my adult years that I would be claiming that an animated film was my film of the fucking year, but it was for me. To me. Every note that I need. I haven't walked out of a cinema in that long with that fucking grin on my face. Just pure unadulterated joy.
02:24:43
Speaker
It's the magic mushrooms or like version of a film as opposed to the 420 films we were talking about earlier. Absolutely. Yeah. It has that vividity that you don't get in a lot of movies. The only movie that comes close to it for me and I hold in a similar high esteem is Ready Player One. Oh yeah. Oh, I love that too. It has a similar palette where it's larger than life. It's bright. It's neon. It's, and it's video game-esque. To me, those two films are full of 80s nostalgia.
02:25:13
Speaker
But in a good way, as opposed to, as opposed to the Marvels. No, sorry. I haven't seen that film yet. Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel, yes. Every nostalgic 80s reference we can drop, ham fisted into a film in one go. Aren't they 90s references? Close enough. Yeah, you're right. They were 90s references. I'm sure there was a Robocop poster. Probably.
02:25:37
Speaker
Yeah, that was that was the really the film that stood out for me. There were like, otherwise, I'm again, didn't really see that many films unless we watched them or like we picked to watch them for this that we haven't already done to death. But yeah, it was and I think it's this is pretty on point for us that it's a
Content Drought Anticipation
02:26:00
Speaker
The fact that we're a little bit grasping at straws to talk about things that's on, especially TV and film and I guess games, that's going to be the next year. There's a pretty significant drought coming of content as a result of the strikes. Which we've talked about, yeah. And to be honest. It is the year for going back and looking back almost to look forward.
02:26:27
Speaker
You know, what's really funny about that statement, though, is when I was looking and we'll talk about 2024 content in a moment after I take a mini pause, but I actually struggled more to find game content I'm excited about next year. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We are already in a drought for games.
02:26:45
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's the delays. But yeah, go take a go take a little slash down leg stump and we'll come back after these messages from our sponsors. Yes, our many, many sponsors.
Beer Reviews and Ratings
02:26:56
Speaker
So before we move into what we're looking forward to, let's do our fourth beer. It's pretty pissy.
02:27:03
Speaker
Well, that's the best way to be. 8.2s. What are you drinking, mate? I am drinking my only Christmas beer. Oh, okay. Which is the 12 hops of Christmas from Seeker Brewing. It's a... Oh, that's a cool can. It is a cool can. I believe it's a hazy dipper.
02:27:25
Speaker
Well, it's listed as a hazy IPA at 7.7%, which kind of right on that edge between double and single. I mean, look, I'm pretty pissy now, so, you know, I'm not going to pick up on the subtle flavors, but.
02:27:44
Speaker
Lots of tropical juice, lots and lots of tropical juice. There's a real strong dankness at the edges there, which is really nice, actually. It's dank and vegetal. It's got that real, real hoppy, molly flavour to it. So, yeah. God, I'm a 90s kid, you can tell.
02:28:06
Speaker
Uh, just seeing if there's anything interesting on the can there, uh, mosaic Citra, Simcoe, Amarillo, galaxy, Nelson, save on motor worker, Southern cross Sabra cryo cryo hop strata and Chinook cryo slay through. I assume that's why it says it's the 12 hops of Christmas. I'm not surprised. Uh, yeah, it's everything about the kitchen sink. It's pretty good.
02:28:35
Speaker
Pretty good. I mean, as a, as a night ender, it's, it's not terrible. It's, uh, exactly what you'd expect out of a hazy hazy hazy APA hazy hazy IPA. Yeah, no, don't put your hand out like that, Pete. Um, yeah, it's pretty good. I'm going to give it a four to five. Nice.
02:29:04
Speaker
Tom, what are you drinking, mate? Well, in a wrap of the year, I am doing the end of a series. So I think I've done a few of these on recording before, but it's a horrible thing. This is going to be. OK, sorry. What was it going to be, Pete?
02:29:20
Speaker
I thought it was going to be the fucking garage project numbered series. Like finally we're at the end. Sick of these fucking beers. If they'd done a December release, I would have done it. No, no, no. This is Hawker's Summer. So this is part of their Four Seasons review.
02:29:36
Speaker
The best thing is I have all, this is going to be the fourth can. So this is the fourth one, but they all line up in a row on my beer fridge, which I put labels on, which is, looks really, really kind of cool. And the colors in each other. Um, this is their West coast IPA. It is 6%. It is a very, very well made classic West coast IPA. There is.
02:30:00
Speaker
They're not... They're not... Is that a bit of haze or is that chill? No, a bit of chill haze. They're not re-doing a West Coast IPA. They're not changing whatever they're doing. They talk about actually that every release they've done the same raw ingredients, but then adapted it to the style.
02:30:19
Speaker
But this fits summer in the winter they did a double west coast up here you want something really big and busy for winter cuz you want to be warm. This is this is nice and busy but the same time it's it's light enough like. I would quench this on a hot day it is quenching it doth quench as they.
02:30:41
Speaker
It is beautifully piney. It is beautiful dank. It is a really, really, really well-made West Coast IPA, and I applaud Hooks for that. It's 4.5 for me.
02:30:53
Speaker
4.5s and yeah, it's a nice way to round out this quarterly series. I was worried with the loss of the bottle shop that I used to run, that I wouldn't see this one come through and I saw it in another bottle shop and I jumped on the can.
02:31:15
Speaker
Like a creep, actually. It looked probably pretty weird in there on CCTV, but I don't apologize. I'm glad to have finished out the series. I've done a few beer series before. I've missed one or two throughout, just because of reasons. It's nice to finish one of these series and just see the development of the beer over those four.
02:31:37
Speaker
Um, if I was going to give a recommendation for the hawkers for their four seasons, re-fucking make autumn. That red IPA you did was so fucking good. So yeah, it was the best. Got to say I'm hawkers are my go-to these days for. They make fantastic limited.
02:31:57
Speaker
Heavy, heavy fucking double, double stouts. Yeah. Triple stouts. I've got a... Well, I sent you the image, so I was lucky enough to be able to get two of the beer advent calendars over the Christmas period. And Christmas Eve, both beers were a Hawker's barley wine, but one was a maple, maple kind of bacony version. And the other one was like a dark barrel aged version.
02:32:25
Speaker
Hmm. This is also the first year. But just to see them releasing those beers on the same day, but so kind of polarising in their flavours. They've got, they've always got 10 limited release fucking double or- Oh, they're bad scientists down there. Yeah. I don't know how they do it. I mean, for all those limited releases, there's, yeah. Witchcraft. It's all witchcraft. I was going to say this is probably the first year in a long time that we haven't done the Brick Lane trilogy of fear.
02:32:54
Speaker
at around christmas time cuz usually we're reviewing that trilogy around christmas new year's time and since we say them to the in-person recording. So what so we're not talking i've been online and i'm not sure that there's four limited releases and they look like their trilogy of fear but i'm not sure that they are so.
02:33:15
Speaker
gonna have to catch up with that. There's some interesting beers on the Brick Lane Brewing site, if anyone's interested. Yeah, anyway, moving on. 2024. What are we looking forward to? Yeah, I think so. So the first one is a continuity or a continuation of what I was talking about earlier. So so enthusiastically, which is our Warhammer 40k Space Marine two. Yeah, I still have the
02:33:44
Speaker
collector's edition tin and, uh, purity seal on my fridge, actually, um, from Warhammer 40 K space Marine one, it was a flop of a game. It was fun for about 20 minutes. It reminded me of. Quake. Cool. Which is showing my age to be Frank. Um, yeah, it just didn't really deliver on the promise. So I'm hoping space Marine two does.
02:34:13
Speaker
And then the other game I think we're all looking forward to. Star Wars Outlaws. Star Wars Outlaws, yeah.
02:34:21
Speaker
Yeah, I think we're well overdue for a Star Wars game that focuses on the outlaw side of things. We kind of started that with Jedi Knight 2, because you played as Kyle, who was a smuggler. And then Shadow of the Empire, we played as, fucking, what's his name? It was another alliteration name. Both names started with the whatever.
02:34:51
Speaker
Uh, but yes, he is again, it's a smuggler game and, and that seems to be, and look, if that's as far into, if you discount force unleashed, which kind of went to the dark side, but that's as far as like.
02:35:11
Speaker
dirty and dark as Disney and Star Wars want to get, then fine. Yeah. Let's play as outlaws. You can be a good outlaw. You can be an absolute badass outlaw if you want. Let's hope they give you the options to do that.
02:35:26
Speaker
Um, it looks amazing. It looks, uh, it looks like a AAA game should look. Um, and it looks like a, honestly, it looks like the Star Wars films, the, the sequel trilogy should have looked in the depth, the depths of the society that you're dealing with. You're not just skimming over all these, like the cantina. You need to be involved in the cantina. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. They, they, they could have been a mini game.
02:35:56
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. I'm glad they didn't make it one, but it could have been easily. Yeah. So, yeah. Agreed. The other games I'm excited for Rise of the Ronin looks a bit Ghost of Tsushima-ish, but I don't know. I was on the fence about whether or not I included that, to be honest. Well, I'm not too thrilled about the studio behind it because I've never enjoyed many of their games. They've been to Arcadia. The other one is Pacific Drive, which I'm excited for, which is like the
02:36:24
Speaker
Burnout Paradise kind of. Burnout Paradise, if the world is going to the shit. Yeah. But you exclusively drive. But you can see what I'm saying with Burnout Paradise as a reference, right? Well, yes and no, in the sense that you are driving the Griswold family car and then the world goes to shit. Yeah.
02:36:45
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But that was the one that it fixed it in like a E3 or something, maybe a Mr Punchbull Face. Showcase. Last year, 2021. Yeah. And you're driving an old American family sedan and the old Volvo. It looked really cool, actually.
02:37:06
Speaker
Yeah, but it's like the world's like literally fallen shit as you drive through and you have to drive fast enough and still pick up all these things. And it's like, oh, cool. That's, it's actually a really clever idea. So yeah, that's meant to release next year, but we'll see if it actually happens because I don't believe anything. Fair enough. Here you go, Peter. Fly with me. Believe.
02:37:29
Speaker
I'm leaving that alone. TV. So I've put down... I've got nothing. I've got nothing for TV. So let me rip through mine then. Yeah. Fall out TV. I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out. I'm crossing my fingers. It's good. Oh, I thought that was 2012. Oh, damn it. No, I'm pretty sure it's... Don't make me second guess myself, fucker. I was... I am frequently very confidently wrong. Let's say it's 2024.
02:37:58
Speaker
I am frequently confidently wrong, but with all my gusto, I am wrong. Fallout TV release is 12th April, 2024. So we got four months to wait. That is on me. Looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to, I just pray it's good. Um, I've broken my own rule with a couple of these, uh, the last of us two season two. And I think that's fine. Like.
02:38:27
Speaker
It's when you think about it, it's really looking forward to it. It's also really hard for a sequel series to add up to an initial series. I think that's true in most TV, but this is not a traditional season two. This is part two of a narrative masterpiece being told for a second season of TV.
02:38:50
Speaker
I don't think they're going to struggle with telling a good story in season two. In fact, I actually think if they're
02:39:05
Speaker
You know what, I'm going to say this and this might be a little bit, people might disagree and please like and subscribe and feel free to add a comment if you do disagree. But. Cause I'll fight you if you do. I actually think they could stretch the second game into two seasons pretty easily without it feeling. Second game? Drawn out. Yeah. Which game? Lord of the Rings. The Last of Us 2. Oh, I thought you thought about Rings out. I was talking Last of Us. Damn it.
02:39:34
Speaker
So, Last of Us Season 2, I think they could stretch the second game into two seasons. So, they could do TLOU Season 2 and Season 3 and cover the second game. I think I said this a few months ago. It's surprising they smashed the first one into one season.
02:39:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Which is why I said of any TV series on TV at the moment, it's one that does not suffer from pacing issues other than it feeling a little accelerated at times. Yeah. But they didn't really, they glossed over content. They didn't really skip too much.
02:40:07
Speaker
that was in narratively important, but I think season two, they could slow it down a little bit. They could, they would do with slowing it down a bit. Okay. Just to give the characters a little bit of room to breathe, particularly with the second game, there are more characters and there was a lot more development to go through. And there's a time, time gap. There is, there is, which is kind of surprising that they're doing in 2024 now that I think about it. Um,
02:40:36
Speaker
Lord of the Rings, Rings of Power, season two. I just want to see, there was a lot of open questions at the end of the first series. It wasn't a perfect series or a season. It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. As I said, I thought we were talking about this and then I skipped ahead. They rushed the last two. They did. They did, for sure. The next one is actually the one I'm looking forward to more than anything, which is Star Wars Acolyte.
02:41:06
Speaker
It's the unknown, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. But it's got such good potential. High Republic, more Jedi than we've ever seen before. They're almost commonplace. Yeah. They've said. Well, they're more like a police force. Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see how they how they handle that.
02:41:28
Speaker
Cause you're going from the original story, which was space wizards and they're rare as hen's teeth to they're fucking, you can throw a rock and hit one. Yeah. And you kind of touched on that with the early films of, uh, of the prequel where you're like, Oh, there's a, there's a bunch here, like, you know, 200 descended on a Colosseum in, in GNI shop. But like I'm, I'm with Dan on this in the,
02:41:58
Speaker
It's a worry that when you interview cast about it, no matter how early doors, but they couldn't answer very basic questions about the universe. It's just like, well, how much, how much involvement are you giving it? And it's just like, look, sorry, you're playing a character piece.
02:42:14
Speaker
Like, I don't need you to be method actors. I don't need you to be going off killing younglings, but I need you to really understand the fucking universe you're participating in. Absolutely agree. Yeah. Totally agree. So, I'm a Dan on that, that I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic.
02:42:31
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Doesn't matter. Cause Dan's not going to watch it anyway. Cause he's canceled his Disney plus cause he's. And I probably will have by that time anyway, too. So, uh, and I, just a quick correction.
Speculations on Upcoming Releases
02:42:41
Speaker
Uh, the last of our season two is due out in 2025. So that's, um, and the last one I have on my list is the alien TV series. I thought it was a movie.
02:42:54
Speaker
I'm pretty sure it's a series. Hang on. No, it's a confirmed Alien TV series. Is Alien the kind of thing you can do in a TV series, do you think? Can you carry that?
02:43:14
Speaker
No, not in the not in the traditional sense of it being a horror sci-fi. You can't build up the fucking tension in a TV series the way that you can in a movie.
02:43:29
Speaker
I remember watching the first alien and literally shitting myself. Holding your breath. Yeah. Could you do it as a TV series? They could go back to colonial marines against the aliens. I don't know. It's going to be interesting. Could we go back to Prometheus and maybe make it a more coherent story? Probably not.
02:43:52
Speaker
think you I think you could easily make it more. Anyway, moving on movies. We've got Jesus, look at the time. Let me see you're looking. Deadpool three. You're just gonna have fun watching it. No matter what happens. It's it's it's Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman playing their characters. They're the characters that played for years. I agree with Dan in the sense that
02:44:19
Speaker
Furiosa potentially looks like it's not coherent enough with the source material in the sense that it's, it's not dirty enough. It looks a bit clean. It's, it's the wrong, the way they're filming it builds a bit off. Yeah. I don't think they'll fuck up the character, especially, especially with, uh, Miller back in. I'm looking forward to watching it. I, whether it's good or bad, I'm still looking forward to watching it right now. Yeah.
02:44:47
Speaker
The Borderlands movie is due late 2024. This is going to be interesting.
02:44:59
Speaker
Let's just, let's just go with interesting, um, Bobby Lee, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kate Blanchett. There's a all star cast in it. Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see how they navigate a pop out cell shaded over the top comedic fucking video game series into a movie. So I'm looking forward to see what they're going to do with it. What about June two?
02:45:26
Speaker
What do you think? I'm really looking forward to that. I'm really looking forward to June part two. Do you think it will be on par with the first or? I do. You do? I actually, I actually genuinely do as much as I fucking hate Dennis Villanue. I think.
02:45:42
Speaker
The scale, the epic scale of the movie will be almost perfectly, a perfect continuation from the first movie. Yeah. I think it'll be quite seamless. I'm looking forward to that because there aren't many epic movies coming out that we're aware of at the moment. Isn't Joker 2 meant to be out next year? Yes, Joker 2 is meant to be out. I think the Penguin TV series might start 2024.
02:46:11
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Not a hundred percent on that, but yeah. Um, the other thing, uh, and apparently Gladiator 2 is coming out. No, I'm not even touching that with a barge pole. You don't think it's going to happen, do you? No, I think it will. I just, I don't, I'm not looking forward to it. It's like you told a really good story in an epic way. It didn't need a fucking sequel 15 years after the fact.
02:46:38
Speaker
Like I don't need to see Aurelius. Is it Aurelius? Maximus Aurelius fucking Vigenus? I don't need to see his son carry on the legacy. I just don't. You know, the one actually that I know is a cash grab. I know it's a cash grab, but I'm kind of excited for it.
02:46:58
Speaker
Kung Fu Panda 4. I'll fucking watch it. I'll watch it. Just for Jack Black's fucking voice. Absolutely. I think it'll be stupidly fun. And like, look, we need a bit more of that, some stupid fun. True. True. On that topic, Tom. We're done. Are you winning, son? No, I'm not. Because the internet has let me down.
02:47:24
Speaker
Um, I, I didn't want to put this on you guys, but I've, I've, I've gone back to doom eternal and I've been, I've been trying to find some people who needed the online multiplayer. I've got the game. I've got it installed. I'm ready to go. Yeah.
02:47:41
Speaker
Fuck, well I'll cancel all my forum posts then. No, I've actually been going back and doing, it's been very stressful, very stressful, but I've gone back and done the limited lives versions. So you go back and you play through like any of the story content that you have to finish with a certain amount of lives in your bank and you only get like eight in the thing and you have to finish with five. And holy shit, I have not held on to the bottom of my chair more.
02:48:10
Speaker
than I have playing that. It's insane. I played through all the DLCs. I don't know if Dan's played through them yet. And look, I've spoken to you guys in length about how much I love the like science fiction horror version of Doom 2016. This is so fantasy heavy. It's so fantasy heavy. So you end up killing God, who is you, but bad.
02:48:36
Speaker
I think, I'm not sure. I can't figure out what happened in the story. That's a fucking short right there. Yeah.
02:48:44
Speaker
Seriously, what the fuck happened in Doom of Turtle? I think that's it? I'm not sure. But yeah, anyway, look, you kill a whole bunch more demons. The DLC, though, was great from a story perspective. But the thing they say when you start the DLC is, oh, cool, playing the same difficulty you played, but we're going to put in like 20 more demons per thing.
02:49:09
Speaker
So the whole thing is like, you're playing at the same difficulty and the same amount of damage that your guns do per demon. But we're going to add 30 more demons per encounter, roughly, let's just say, as a number. To the point where it's actually ungovernable and I've had to drop down my difficulty level and now I'm playing on bitch mode.
02:49:33
Speaker
Now I'm Dan. Now I'm Dan. I was playing on like semi bitch mode, but now I have to drop down and now I'm Dan. I'm a bitch. Right. Yeah. So I'm not winning son because I'm Dan and I'm a bitch. He's not here. So I can say it. Yeah. But Peter, are you winning son?
02:49:54
Speaker
I am. Well, I did. I did win. So I got the Platinum trophy on Baldur's Gate 3, and I'm actually
Podcast Future Plans
02:50:01
Speaker
really fucking proud of it. You should be. What did I say you were? You were one of- The first 750? Yeah. The Platinum. It might have been 778. I don't know. Less than 800. Let's say 750. It's more impressive.
02:50:18
Speaker
I played, it's the first game I've ever played back to bat. So finished the game, 160, 170 hours to finish the game the first time. Immediately went back to play the game from scratch, was excited to launch myself into it. That's the biggest fucking most impressive thing. The fact that you did that and then just jumped straight back into it. Yeah, but it's worse than that. I was planning my characters for my second run through before I finished the first run through.
02:50:50
Speaker
I had to pull myself away from planning my third run through, in my second run through. I'm like, I still haven't played a monk, I still haven't done this, still haven't done that. I haven't played a truly evil fucking character and really pushed away some of the other NPCs. But no, I went straight back, I cleaned up, I had, I think.
02:51:11
Speaker
I think 10 trophies, maybe 15 trophies I had to get for the Platinum in the second run. I have to admit that I really set a hard challenge for myself because the core trophy was finish the game in the hardest difficulty, which there was the patch five came out midway through and added a whole new level of difficulty, which has its own trophy as a DLC trophy.
02:51:36
Speaker
No, that's good. So that's, that's, that's permadeath. That's one safe game. Yeah. That's yeah. If you, if your party wipes, it will delete your save game. It also stops you from save scrubbing, which is something that I have to admit to having to do the second play through twice where you have to get a role. You can confess. We're all family.
02:51:59
Speaker
I, you have to get a roll over a certain threshold and I'd run out of re rolls. And it's like, it's either this or I really, I fuck up two of my trophies I need for the platinum run and have to start the run again. So I loaded and then attempted the second time and got past the role. You can't do that in the new difficulty mode because the minute you load a save, it deletes the save. Copy.
02:52:26
Speaker
So they've really amped up the fucking challenge. But I have to say, I enjoyed the game thoroughly the second time around the same way I did the first. I did take some shortcuts the second time around in the third act because it's like I've hit maximum level. I've got all the gear I know I need to beat bad, like the big bad at the end. Yeah.
02:52:47
Speaker
I don't need to do these four side quests that I've already completed. That's a, that's another 20 hours, 30 hours of gameplay that I don't need to complete. Yeah. I want to get the platinum trophy and just, just pursued that. And then saw the epilogue for the first time. Now I talked about this in the last episode, they added an epilogue with, with patch five when they added the jiggle physics for the Cox and balls.
02:53:14
Speaker
I didn't really realize how big that was, but the epilogue. In what sense? Well, when I finished the game the first time around, it kind of, it, you know, there's a bit of a cut scene after the fact and it kind of closes the game down to an extent, but you don't really get closure with your characters in your party.
02:53:34
Speaker
yet closure for your main character and that's it. But the characters that you have elected to take on the journey with you and the choices you've made along the way that affects those characters never really gets a look in.
02:53:47
Speaker
And then they added the epilogue and every character in your party has its own little cutscene at the end. And all of the choices that led up to them being in your party and along the way affects how that cutscene plays out. And so when we talked about, when I talked about 17,000 endings, that's where that really translates. They spent a shitload of time adding that epilogue because it adds chunks of cutscenes.
02:54:17
Speaker
Every character in your party at the end for every choice that you might have made along the way. Okay. So there's not 17,000 endings, but there's, there's probably, they would have had to have recorded maybe a hundred chunks of, of cutscene and then sewn it together depending on your particular scenario.
02:54:44
Speaker
And so I really want to go back to my first playthrough and see how that epilogue ended because it was very different from the second one. Can you do that? Yes, I kept two or three of the saved games from the first campaign, so we can do that. Yeah. Yeah, cool. But yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed the fucking game. It's one of the best games I've ever played. It did call me to play a third run through and I resisted.
02:55:12
Speaker
I rolled a 20 and managed to successfully resist that save. Well done Samwise Gamgee. You threw down the ring and said, no, thank you. I don't want to be the best gardener in the Shire. But I've also had no intention of turning on my PlayStation since.
02:55:28
Speaker
OK, so I think I think in a few weeks time. Is there anything you intend to play? Yeah, so I think in a few weeks time I will download and play the God of War DLC Valhalla. I will then I will then play Spider-Man Miles Morales. Yep. And then I'll decide.
02:55:50
Speaker
whether I want to play AC Mirage, because I've got the game. I just don't really have any impetus right now to play the game. I was actually thinking the other day, I was really obviously I've been stuck in a doom cycle, which is probably hell. I don't know if that's the case. It's one of the circles, just internally playing doom. It's pretty good. But I was really desperate for a story and I almost booted up.
02:56:16
Speaker
I was tossing up between Origins and Syndicate, and I was about to message you to say which one's better. Look, they're not the greatest games, but I wanted something like an AC game to just sit my teeth into. Syndicate's definitely more of an AC game than Origins. Origins has a decent ending, but it's a hard start to get there. It's big like Odyssey, isn't it?
02:56:44
Speaker
It is. Cause I haven't played anything since black flag. Weirdly enough, I still have fond memories of the Nile river in origins and climbing over the Sphinx and climbing up the pyramids. Well, yeah, there were two. So it's not an unredeemable game. There were two of the options on the Ubisoft collection on PS plus. So like Valhalla is gone. So I can't do that. So I was just like, ah, maybe I play one of these. I might hit up Pete, see which one he preferred.
02:57:13
Speaker
I probably would have told you to play Syndicate because it's a smaller game. But I have good memories of both. Yeah. I'll toss it up. But everything I've seen about Mirage is atrocious.
02:57:31
Speaker
Yeah. Combat system is fucked. Gameplay is poxy. Graphics are worse than the last game. It's a real, real problem. If someone's releasing something on PS5 and they're like, oh, well, your PS4, PS5 hybrid game's better than that. Look, it's like five YouTube reviewers that I watch regularly have all said that the combat is worse than
02:57:58
Speaker
What was the one that preceded the Civil War one that preceded Black Flag? AC3? AC3. Yeah. There's no seamless combat anymore. It's just, yeah, it's really clunky. That's disappointing. That's Ubisoft. That's Ubisoft. Just keep milking that fucking cow, man. Yeah. Let's see how, let's see how poxy we can make a game and slap a logo on it and still sell.
02:58:26
Speaker
We'll find out with Star Wars Outlaws. I think that's our run out of this one. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I think that's it for us. I think that's our episode. That is our episode. It's the one that we slipped in between our Christmas and our New Year's. So this will come out in like a day or two because I want to get this episode out for New Year's. We're recording on the 28th just so we're all clear.
02:58:53
Speaker
And then Pete's going to pull a miracle. He's going to pull a picture of his arsehole and he's going to summon something else. I don't know what he's going to do. So what happens? Yeah, but you know, it's, it's, yeah. This is our little, little thing we want to do for you is a little review of the year. Like it's been, it's been a weird year. It's been a weird year. It has been a weird year, but if you've been listening, we just wanted to say a big thanks. Absolutely.
02:59:19
Speaker
Season six. Yeah. Fucking pretty happy with that. And look, you know, platonically, we love you unless you're my dad listening. And I actually do love you because you're my dad. But still also platonically.
02:59:32
Speaker
Well, yeah, yeah, more than a friend. Love you because you're my dad. Um, but yeah, you don't have to support me this much. Um, you're a freak. Uh, and we will see you in 2024 where we'll, we'll do an in-person recording.
02:59:50
Speaker
kick off the year. Jeez. Okay. Keep drinking. And then we're going to mix up the format for our podcast a little bit. We are. Tom had an idea. Tom had a really good idea. We're going to roll with it. We're going to roll with it. See, there's a list of changes in 24. But yes, thank you everyone who's listened to us for the last year. For the previous years before that, we really do appreciate your support. And
03:00:14
Speaker
Also, we have started hamfisting in the like and subscribe and comment. But also, we want to fight you online. So send us comments because I will fight you online. Please do it. Yeah. It entertains us. If you have an opinion, if you disagree with us, even it's even better if you disagree with us. Yeah. Fucking add your comments.
03:00:36
Speaker
Let us know and we'll, maybe, maybe we'll get you on. But hit us up on, so I just want to say, hit us up on Instagram or email if you have comments. The problem, so something I only realized recently is, is, well, actually I think I've talked about this like three years ago. Um, iTunes is separated per country. So we, we could have a thousand one star reviews and a shit ton of comments on iTunes in America and I can't see them.
03:01:05
Speaker
I have to use a fucking proxy to see the US version of iTunes because all our reviews are the Aussie reviews. It's so stupid. Well, we have, we have a Facebook and an Instagram. Yeah, abuse us on social. Hit us on meta and we'll meta hit you. I don't know what that means. Just don't X me because fuck X. Yeah. Fuck X. Yeah. Fuck X.
03:01:28
Speaker
Okay. Some missing words there, but anyway, yes. So no, thank you very much for listening. We really appreciate all your support. Um, but this is going to be myself, Tom and Pete. Signing out.