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S7 E1: Galactic Clams
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Ushering in 2024 with a bang Dan, Tom and Pete cover the latest news including big fines for Sony, the release of Elder Scrolls: Daggerfall Unity, and AI taking over the world! We cover the latest movie trailers (for the last time!), Dan runs us through his favourites for 2023, before we sit down and cover Rebel Moon in gory detail!
Beers Reviewed This Episode:
- Slow Lane & One Drop - Drop It Slow - Farmhouse Ale - 6.2%
- Mountain Culture & Sierra Nevada - Summer Pale Ale - 5.6%
- Small Gods Brewing - Hark! - Imperial Stout - 9.3%
- Small Gods Brewing - Rejoice! - Imperial Stout - 9.0%
- Hawkers Beer - Apple Brandy Barrel Aged Strong Ale '23 - 10.5%
- Deeds Brewing - Silent Town - Imperial Stout - 12.7%
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Transcript
Introduction & New Season Teaser
00:00:29
Speaker
And welcome back to a new year and new season of pixels and pints. We're coming to you live. We're not live, but we're coming to you live from pizza apartment. We're back in person. Thought we kick off the year this way instead of ending it. Had you all on tender hooks waiting to see what we do.
00:00:47
Speaker
As usual, I'm here with Pete. Howdy. And Dan. Hi. And yeah, we've got some news, we've got some beers, we've got some reviews. We've got a big intergalactic with JJ. Yes, we do. You saw it in the end. Fucking us. I don't know how you could miss us. Yeah, he did the first time through. I totally did. So yes, stay tuned for that.
00:01:08
Speaker
That's intellectual discussion. I'm going to figure out a way that is going to get past iTunes filters to name the episode something like that. Intergalactic Vijay Day. There you go. We'll see. Two minutes. That's right. But yes. Space clams. Space clams. There it is.
00:01:29
Speaker
We are, what are we doing? Tom's totally off course. I don't care. I don't care at all. It's fun.
Podcast Structure Update
00:01:37
Speaker
Yes, we're starting our new structure with this season. We are. So won't be doing the big spotlight on these.
00:01:47
Speaker
Longer recordings and we'll save them for when we're, we're just having that one big beer and go off the rails anyway. For our updates. Our updates, yes. Yeah. So, so, I mean, this was your idea and- Occasionally I have a good one. It was an excellent one. So we're going to, we're going to start doing, well, we've always tried to do fortnightly releases, but we'll, so we'll do one episode where we talk about news and reviews and then we'll do,
00:02:11
Speaker
The other episode in the same month will be an update where we talk about spotlight topic that way we can try and keep the content down to somewhere in the two hour mark rather than the three plus hour mark. God, I hope we do. Yes, and just make the way because we're also finding with and it's going to get worse with the sad actor strikes.
00:02:32
Speaker
that we're going to have less and less content to talk about this coming year. I mean, it's already been, I don't know about you guys, but I haven't found anything net new to watch on like TV for a little while. We even, when I was writing my notes for last year, I was today, I was sitting on the couch writing it and I had to say to Louise, what new TV shows did we watch last year? And she's like, once.
00:02:56
Speaker
Like that actually came out last year, 23 I'm talking about. And we both sat there and we're gone. Ask master? Yeah.
Hollywood's Challenges
00:03:06
Speaker
I mean, we, we had some, so you missed last episode and obviously you haven't had a chance to catch up on it yet.
00:03:12
Speaker
We did talk through a couple of things because there was stuff like The Last of Us TV that came out. You may not have watched it. I didn't watch it. At least I didn't. Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot, but I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. Well, and that's where the comments came from was like half the year or most of the year was taken up with the strikes and that's just got its kick on effect for... I'm definitely using it as it's a catch up. There's so much I need to personally catch up on that I'm finally going to do it.
00:03:38
Speaker
Yeah, I also think there's going to be there's going to be some changes in Hollywood in the next 12 months that are probably a reflection of the causes that underlaid the strikes in the first place. Disney's just come out of their worst year in history in terms of box office returns. They've come off the worst MCU movie ever released, the Marvels, which which tanked lower than The Incredible Hulk in 2008, which was panned as terrible.
00:04:05
Speaker
Incredible Hulk was good. Yeah, I enjoyed it too, but it was the worst performing movie within that kind of universe. And I mean, this is in the same, the Marvels, Marvels hit about the same level as... Birds of Prey, I read. Birds of Prey, yeah.
00:04:20
Speaker
Wow yeah so you know and marvel's already talked about restructuring their tv episodic content that they're gonna stop doing so much of it so much of it but also and i'm not sure it's the right direction to take but they're they're basically saying they want to their tv shows will be more structured around a traditional episodic tv show.
00:04:40
Speaker
So they're going to stop doing mini arcs, which I like kind of extended movies. I'm going to start doing like ad nauseam content for 50 fucking seasons. I don't think it's the
Marvel's TV Restructure
00:04:50
Speaker
right direction. Personally, I kind of like the episodic structure of an art story. Well, it feels more like a comic book, like a comic book run. Like it's a six, six, you know, trade paperback arc and six episode arc. That's how I always took it and enjoyed it for that reason.
00:05:04
Speaker
Yeah, I also think that there might be a little bit of denial as to some of the causes for their recent flops as well, but because they're blaming a lot of it around streaming services and Bob Iger's been talking about how they've been moving movies and I found this hilarious. He didn't directly say it, but he heavily implied that maybe the Marvel's tanked so badly at the box office because they've been pushing their content too quickly to Disney Plus and no one wants to pay for it. I'm like,
00:05:33
Speaker
Or it was just a really fucking shit movie, dude. Like, it's one of the two. Yeah, I've still haven't seen it, but I've also had no desire really to- Emma went to the movies the other night and enjoyed it and I was like, I have- I don't know why, I had no desire to go. I was just like, couldn't be- couldn't be fucked, but.
00:05:49
Speaker
Yeah,
Beer Review: Drop It Slow
00:05:50
Speaker
it's been like that for the last little bit anyway. And I think you were the only one out of us when it came out that said you were potentially going to see it. Out of us three, yeah. Ben was obviously keen. Yeah, but I was one of those ones that I wanted to go check it out because they're good characters. It's just, I wanted to see if it's actually, you know, from my perspective, they did fuck it or if it's just people shitting on it for no reason that they're bored and that's what they want to do.
00:06:17
Speaker
We'll get around to it when it comes to Disney Plus. So yes, going back to my original point, I think only doing news once a month is probably going to help line up some, because there's not been a lot of content. I mean, I went through, I was just saying before we started recording, I've just gone through everything I could find on the internet for news over the last two or three weeks. And we only did an episode a week ago. We had heaps of news in that one though.
00:06:38
Speaker
Yeah. And we did smash that out just before New Year's. So it's only been, we caught all six days. And the world shut down for three or four days over, over New Year's. Yeah. We do have some news to talk about, but first we should probably crack
PlayStation Plus Games & Sony's Practices
00:06:53
Speaker
a beer. So. Your closest to the fridge. I am. Well, do you want to start with the news? The first time? Yeah. Yep. No worries. What's on, oh no, you've already told us what's on PlayStation Plus this month. I downloaded Evil West today and started playing it.
00:07:07
Speaker
Yeah. It's just a good, dumb, very orange. It is, isn't it? Very orange. The color palette of that first level, it just, they really blend into the dust and the fire and everything like that. Yeah. It was quite, what I found too was the blacks were quite black. Like you go into areas that are in the dark and they don't do, there's some light filter coming through like wooden slats and things like that. But
00:07:31
Speaker
The dark is the dark. I'm sure it was a design choice that probably looked cool in the studio, but playing it at home, I was like, this is fucking terrible in parts. What was the game, sorry? Evil West, it's the Cowboys versus vampires. You're part of the secret organization with- The most bro-y Cowboys too. Yeah, they're pretty funny. Good character.
00:07:55
Speaker
character design. I like the detail in them. The black buddy you've got to start with that's retired. It's got the short dreadlocks and the eye patch. Two days from retirement. He's got the eye patch and like the character details and everything. The world detail is nice too.
00:08:10
Speaker
Yeah. The combat is just arcadey, just fun, silly. Yeah. It's really going back to playing PS3 games at the moment. Cause I fired that up, which I'll talk about later, but, um, it really felt like a PS3 era game that just got PS4 graphics or PS5 graphics or four or five as well. Yeah.
00:08:29
Speaker
Your revolver's got no aim, it's just a quick fire. You can either tap it or you can hold it and he fans the trigger. So there's no aim, it's just a shoot from the hip. Your rifle has an aim and then you've got a melee and I'm sure there's more that comes on. I literally played it for like 45 minutes. Yeah, okay. Sounds like a bit of fun. That was a good 30 seconds filler there. It's just a fun arcade style.
00:08:52
Speaker
Um, third person shooter. Yeah. And some, some of the law that they've introduced so far sounds interesting. Yeah. Um, thank you. Oh yeah. It's, it's, it's relatively well, flash, fleshed out for like what first glance you're like, this could be a pile of shit, but it's, it, they did put some, a lot of effort in.
00:09:13
Speaker
But it is very, very orange. Your first set piece is taking out a train. At sunset in the West. So you've got sunset in the Wild West with the dust and the orange sunset happening. Then you've got the fire happening and then everything's brown and wood and leather. And it just has this flat palette.
00:09:37
Speaker
What are we drinking, mate? Well, it's just before we do that, the other two games out on the PlayStation Plus, there's one that's a more side-scrolling shooter, which I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. The other one that I'm excited for is Plague Tale 2, the rats. Rats.
Beer Review: Mountain Culture & Sierra Nevada
00:09:53
Speaker
It's a, Dan doesn't play that one.
00:09:57
Speaker
Have you played Liza P? Have we talked about that? I haven't played Liza P yet. I'm working my testicles up to playing it. Why is it a Souls S game, is it? Oh yeah. It's Soulsy. Because it looks epic. Yeah, I know. It looks really good. Yeah, cool. I'll get there.
00:10:14
Speaker
All right, we are drinking Drop It Slow, which is Pete's looking for his button. There it is. I literally was. Where's the fucking marker button? I know it's got one. So this is a collab between Slow Lane Brewing and One Drop Brewing, both out of Botany. This is their collaboration that took, it was been a year in the making, New World and Old World Brewing techniques. They brewed the beer at One Drop before they took it down to Slow Lane, where it was racked to oak barrels to age with Brett.
00:10:43
Speaker
Um, and then after 10 months and a whole lot of mango being added, they bottled it and laid it down for a further five months of bottle conditioning. Um, so they say it's well worth a slow drop with the end product in their eyes being the ideal combo of sour fruit and funk. I was very cautious about pouring the end of that bottle. I was like, someone's just going to get a chunk of fruit, just a whole, whole like berry or whatever it is. It's, it's a juicy Lambic.
00:11:10
Speaker
It reminds me of like a German Lambic. Yeah, I don't think it's quite got enough sort of sourness to it for that, but it definitely down that path. Yeah, the Brecht's really nice balance, the oak comes through right at the end. It's very wine-like. Yeah. It definitely reminds me of a Linderbens break. In terms of that, it's not gonna rip your palate mouth puckering sour, but it's got a really nice fruit characteristic.
00:11:38
Speaker
That's really enjoyable. Really nice. Good way to start. What's the ABV in it?
00:11:42
Speaker
The ABV is 6
AI in Game Development
00:11:45
Speaker
.2. That's good. Yeah. That's a warmup beer for us on this episode. Yeah. That's really nice. Yeah. And yeah, this was kept in a, in a cool dark cellar in, cause it was in a, in a glass bottle, you know, clear glass, clear glass. I was playing at home. Yeah. Um, but, uh, so yeah, so I wouldn't be getting it if it was in the front shelf.
00:12:09
Speaker
Although they might explode if someone put it in a front shelf near direct sunlight. An orange fruit beer in a clear glass bottle. Recipe for nastiness. Really nice. Really, really nice. Four, two, five for me. Yeah, I'd definitely go four and a half, four, seven, five. I concur, doctor. Four and a half then. Because he went four and a half, four, seven, five. Four and a half.
00:12:34
Speaker
Split the difference. Split the difference. Four and a half. Definitely. Excellent beer. I would happily sit there and drink that thing entirely to myself. Yeah. Over a movie. That'd be great. I think the acid would catch up with you.
00:12:46
Speaker
Yeah. See, I don't find that hugely. Wait until you try that new Gozer. There's some acid in that. That was a, that was a, that was an under three pH, that one. That was a, yeah. Fuck. We overshot a little bit on that one. So that's definitely, definitely a power river on me. If you leave something in the can to warm up, you can use it to strip paint. Good to know. My car needs a new paint job, so. Let's kick off with some news. Of little there is.
00:13:14
Speaker
We interrupt this broadcast with some breaking news from the front.
00:13:19
Speaker
So Sony's in a bit of poo at the moment with the, I didn't write down the French name for the organization, but it's a government agency that's set up for competition, law enforcement, so antitrust laws, that sort of thing. Have just fined Sony $14.8 million US dollars or essentially Sony's PlayStation 4 anti-counterfeiting measures that they keep
00:13:47
Speaker
updating through regular content updates are actively stopping third party controllers from functioning. So if you buy a non-first party. I was going to say, can you explain that in layman terms, please? So if you buy a controller made by anybody other than Sony, every time you do a fucking update to the operating system, the controller stops working again. So you've got to wait for the company of the controller to do a batch. To circumvent the anti-counterfeiting measures.
00:14:13
Speaker
And so they're in trouble for a couple of reasons first it's any competitive and secondly it's not discriminatory as to who it's targeting and so there's a bunch of third parties that have purchased Sony licenses to manufacture equipment for the PlayStation 4 and they're getting pinged by this stuff too.
00:14:32
Speaker
So yeah. Okay. Naughty, naughty. I can see how that's a problem. I mean, most of those third party controllers are absolute pieces of shit. So just buy a fucking dual shock. Oh my God. I'll have to, I'll, when we do our first break, I'll look it up, but there was some, I'll find the company of it, but, uh, game ranks did a what to buy a gamer for Christmas kind of thing. And they, and they did, um, yeah, well, no, they are gamers. So they went sort of top end on this shit.
00:14:58
Speaker
And they showed one company that does customer controllers and oh boy, they were good. They were just incredible. Like you actually wouldn't want to use some of them. They were that spectacular. You would just like- Put them in a glass case. Put them on the shelf. That was spectacular. I'll find, when we do the first break, I'll quickly- Find a link to it. Bring that up and find the link and just show you guys. And maybe you can drop one on the video if you get to the video. Yeah, I can do that. Cool.
00:15:28
Speaker
You can look over my shoulder if you want to read some of this. I've got it here. I have the technology. I didn't put any of this in. I don't have the technology. Pete prints out hard copies for me. Usually. Sorry, Dan. I forgot. Dan just gets that old red and goes, nope, nope, nope, that's not talking about that. I did ask him for a pen last time so I could make notes. We don't even have enough content to bother printing anything out. Elder Scrolls 2 Daggerfall has been fully remastered. In Unity.
00:15:55
Speaker
Yeah in the Unity engine. Interesting. I saw that this morning. The size of that game, because I've played it back in the 90s when it was released, but it's interesting to put it into perspective compared to today's games in terms of its scale. The map for Daggerfall is 80,000 square kilometres of in-game map, which is the size of the United Kingdom.
00:16:21
Speaker
And so if you put the, I think it was the Oblivion map against the Daggerfall map, you have the Daggerfall map, you know, say A4 sized, and then the Oblivion map is like 2 millimeters wide by 1 millimeter tall.
Daggerfall Remastered
00:16:42
Speaker
And it's full of actions and quests and places to explore and all the stuff that you'd expect out of an Oblivion style game. Yeah. But just, yeah, in much blockier graphics. Did you see any pictures? I didn't see it. I mean, I literally only found out about it this morning. I saw a couple of screenshots. It does look blocky, but current at the same time. So the textures.
00:17:03
Speaker
move in a modern way, but it still does look blocky. It's been remastered, not rebuilt. Oh, okay. It's in a modern engine, but that's about it. It's not like they've redone all the textures and stuff. I'll look into it. I mean, I came into Elder Scrolls late when James got me onto Oblivion. That was when I rolled into it. So I never played Jaggerfall or Morrowind or anything.
00:17:27
Speaker
But that comes back to like me playing For Spoken and being so fucking shitted off by such a large map. Like how can you just, how can you fill it and map the inside of the UK with stuff in a game like that? There's 18,000 locations, like handcrafted locations to explore in Daggerfall. Yeah, right. So, there is lots of content to look at if you want to look for it.
00:17:51
Speaker
So I think and we've talked about because there was that theory that we found when we were talking about Hogwarts legacy, about how frequently people should encounter content when randomly wandering in a map and we talked about Witcher 3 and it hitting kind of that magic ratio. I suspect For Spoken probably has an issue where you're just not finding enough content. There was just vacant lots essentially of just open grassland.
00:18:21
Speaker
There was nothing going on. Maybe you'd bump into an enemy, but it was just, well that took 20 seconds.
00:18:27
Speaker
Yeah. And look, and I don't know. I mean, 18,000 is a lot of locations to explore, but 80,000 square kilometres is a lot of territory to explore. So I don't know how that actually play out in practice, but. I guess it'd be one of those things like, yeah, how different would each of those locations be in terms of like, you know, Skyrim had plenty of caves to explore, but once you went into like 10 of them, you're like, well, these are starting. I've seen all of them now. Yeah. Yeah. Um, look, it's,
00:18:52
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. It was critically acclaimed at the time. It won awards. So obviously got enough content to make it worthwhile. Just on a Forspoken. No, no, no, no, no, no. It was more so that Amy Hennig was part of it to start with. She stepped out a little way into
00:19:12
Speaker
I think escaped is the word you're looking for. And I didn't actually realize that she was part of, oh, that's what it was. I was just trying to work out where I heard, cause I've been watching a lot of YouTube stuff on legacy of Kane series. And I didn't realize she was part of the legacy of Kane stuff early on, which is why it was so fucking good. Yes. There we go. Tidbit. Tidbit. Fucking weird.
00:19:40
Speaker
We're going to slow down. I don't have a lot more news. Square Enix, President Takashi Kiryu released a letter on New Year's Day. I am going to do a spotlight about this particular topic, but I released a letter on New Year's Day stating that they will be aggressively using artificial intelligence for game development moving forward.
00:19:59
Speaker
citing the advent of technologies such as chat GPT and deep learning text image generators, give them, and I'm quoting the potential not only to reshape what we create, but also fundamentally change the processes by which we create, including programming. So we just don't want to pay people anymore.
00:20:15
Speaker
Oh yeah I mean look there's this is going like what I want to say here. You wanted to drag out the news so let's go. It's similar in nature to a lot of the new processes we're seeing in Hollywood movies at the moment in that just having access to the volume does not a good movie make.
00:20:36
Speaker
No, it's cool new tech and it allows you the creative flexibility to tell a story in a unique and cool new way. But if you don't have a good story to tell, it's still a shit film. And I think the types of like the use of AI is going to be very similar in that it's an amazing tool, but it's not going to make the game if you don't have a good story to tell within the game.
00:20:57
Speaker
And so you talk about not paying people to write code, but at the same time, we paid somebody to, well, somebody paid somebody to sit down and write the same scripted fucking line in Hogwarts that was repeated to us six trillion times while playing the game and called it content.
00:21:15
Speaker
So instead of having that same line every time you get out of the chute or the same five lines that cycle through every time you fast traveled, having chat GPT style AI come up with a new way to say hello and you've just fast traveled successfully.
00:21:30
Speaker
Are we really not paying somebody or are we adding content that we didn't actually have before you use that technology? And that's if they go that route, which I hope they do, because then you're doling out menial jobs to, like you said, tell me a thousand different ways to say this same thing and then we'll convert it in. What's more work for voice actors unless they use AI voice actors. Which they now have. Yeah.
00:21:59
Speaker
But it just, I think that's a good way to do it. I don't, I don't think, so Witcher 3 is an example and I'm now going through the Cyberpunk
00:22:14
Speaker
I'm calling it the Cyberpunk the full release because it was in early access before the 2.0 release a couple of months ago. It's a very long beta. They've done exactly the same thing with Cyberpunk as what they've done with the Witcher 3.
00:22:30
Speaker
And every little thing that you do, you think, oh, I'll just go and do this little job that's marked on the map. You'll turn up there and it'll sometimes it'll turn out into this expansive story. Other times it'll be, hey, this dude lost his cybernetic eye playing poker. Get in, grab it, get out without killing anybody. It can be as simple as that. Or it can lead you on a 30, 40 minute quest across the map kind of thing. Then maybe you will get brought up down the track.
00:23:00
Speaker
I think if we've already got competent people writing those sort of things, I don't think, it's hard to say, isn't it? Whether AI will do, will, will be able to. I don't think we're at risk. I don't think we're at risk of replacing core writing or voice acting. That's not really what I mean. It means it's more like.
00:23:24
Speaker
Can you dole those things out for a smaller studio to do those jobs through AI and have your guys, obviously CD Projekt Red does this and does it well. We know they do it well. They don't need to dole it out to AI. They've got people there that know how to do this content and know how to do it well. But if you're a smaller studio, like, I mean, For Spoken wasn't a small studio, so it's not really a good example, but
00:23:49
Speaker
for Larian's a small studio. Yeah. Right. So, and, and, okay. So my, my point is null and void. Let me finish this thought. It's just a smaller studio. If they've got five people, I would prefer them to work on core mechanics of the main plot story and go, Hey AI, we need 50 side quests to fill X amount of time and content. We need it spread across this part of the map. And this is what you've got to work with.
00:24:15
Speaker
do that for us while we focus and make a great core here and you fill in the blanks. Yep. Um, I think, so if I can link it, I actually think you've got a very valid point, so I was going to agree with you, but when I point to Larian, I think like it's, it's amazing how much voice acting they got in. There was something like 600 hours or something of voice acting. That's ridiculous. Yeah.
00:24:40
Speaker
But the reality is critical claim only accounted for maybe the main characters voice acting and then they they might have gotten awards or accolades for. The soundscape that they created in the background or the background Dean of a thousand voice actors all saying their lines in the city as you walk through it.
Future of AI in Video Games
00:25:00
Speaker
But it's not really content it's more it's the it's the filler in between the narrative beats and so handing that off to AI would have meant larian didn't take four years in early access to release a fucking game. They are a smaller studio.
00:25:17
Speaker
They built their own narrative, they could have handed all of that background, you know, fish get your fish marketplace banter to AI and then continued to release or to handcraft all of the quests. And so it's interesting because you went down the direct or went in the direction of talking about having
00:25:36
Speaker
an AI engine build the side quests that don't lead anywhere. That's just kind of background content. Whereas my thought process was more have them write the content, the actual quests, and just have AI feel just the background noise. Just paint the background for it. Yeah. That for that for me feels like it's the way that I always think of the Lord of the Rings and the, um, they had the, you know, 20 orcs that they had in a battle scene, but the other like Helm's Deep, the other ones were all made using that massive engine.
00:26:06
Speaker
Yep. Like that's, that's a great way to do it. I think. Yeah. You definitely want those world building filler things to be handled by AI. Like, as you said, like the marketplace didn't like no one in the office should have to sit down and write all that out. Yeah. All voice acted. Cause it's not, it's not interesting work and it can't, it can't be really contributing. You're not going to break into the voice acting, voice acting career by
00:26:29
Speaker
Fish, get your fish. Here's my portfolio of, you know, Albert. I mean, I can't remember. I had that line stuck on my head from Divinity Original Sin 2 selling his fish for years. It was just bouncing around in my head. Yeah. Because we listened to that background track so many fucking times. So having variations on that, I think is a good use of it. The text to image AI was an interesting concept as well, where you can now use
00:26:54
Speaker
natural language to describe what you want to see and it will draw you a painting or an animation in the background. I'm not quite sure where it's being used. So what I'm saying is for an update spotlight episode, I will go and do a shit ton of research on how artificial intelligence is being used in video games today has been used and where it's going according to industry pundits. And you guys can come at me with questions and we can have an interesting conversation around AI as a topic, I think. I do wonder whether
00:27:23
Speaker
The, this being even thrown around and obviously it was the biggest thing with the actors and writers Guild strikes too, is bringing AI in. I wonder whether we see a new golden age of human creativity come from this.
00:27:41
Speaker
Because obviously, there's removing a barrier to producing content. Or you're putting a challenge in saying, hey, if you... Stop resting on your laurels and your AI will come and take your dog. Exactly. If you don't want AI to do it, write a good fucking story. It's an interesting concept. Yeah.
00:28:04
Speaker
See, I'm a skeptical motherfucker and I just think that we might see a golden age, but it will be people saying, yeah, I wrote it and they've used AI. Until they form self-awareness and can defend themselves. And we're not far away from some scary crossroads, not necessarily being cynical about the outcome, but certainly it's moving faster than most people realise it's moving.
00:28:30
Speaker
So anyway, last piece of news for me was on Larian Studios, it ended up being an accidentally good segue. They finally released Baldur's Gate 3 to Xbox and a bunch of Xbox players are getting banned by Xbox Online or uploading clips of nudity from the game to public service. The problem is the default setting on an Xbox console is every time you record a clip,
00:28:59
Speaker
It automatically uploads it to the internet. So a bunch of people who were recording clips for their own personal enjoyment were accidentally getting banned. So Larian's now talking to Microsoft about a potential solution because there's a bunch of big name YouTubers who were recording clips for their content to say, hey, look at the nudity. Yeah, now have banned accounts.
00:29:25
Speaker
Suckers. What's the daisies? Fair enough. Well, that'll happen. The only other bit of news I had, which I thought was worth sharing is that a good old steamboat Willie is now in the public domain.
Steamboat Willie in Public Domain
00:29:37
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There's already a horror movie coming out. When does mouse come out?
00:29:42
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Oh not for a while but they have to be careful so I did look into it cause I wasn't sure what it meant and then I did some did some of the research and it's, you can't, you can't just go and start. One article in particular put it in a very like layman's terms and it was like, you can't just go out now and start selling things called like with Mickey Mouse on it and not expected to be absolutely screwed over by Disney. It has to be, you can use,
00:30:05
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The original Steamboat Willie version of Mickey Mouse, which doesn't have the white gloves and has the diff has just the black eyes. It doesn't have the whites of the eyes. And there's another little, I think the, the tails like bent. It's got like a crook in it in the back. It's, it's more that those versions of Mickey mini you can use. You can't use the current Disney ones without breaking copyright law.
00:30:27
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Yeah, but it's less that you have to use the devices attached or associated with Steamboat Willy. It's more that the things that made Steamboat Willy unique and were trademarked have now come out of, well, not trademarked, but copyrighted. So any attributes or characteristics that were used to describe that original character have now gone into public domain. But any attributes still used to describe Mickey Mouse are still copyrighted.
00:30:53
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So yeah, I mean, you can use the bent tail, but you could also equally not use the bent tail. You just can't use Mickey Mouse's tail. Yeah. I just think it's one of those, the funniest thing about it for me is just, cause the same thing happened with Winnie the Pooh. It's like, why do we go straight to some horror slash? It's a way of saying fuck you to a massive organization. Or it's just the, but how long have they been sitting that on that idea of like, I don't know why they haven't been developing it and release it just in time for the copyright.
00:31:20
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like ending yeah and hit that hit that um well they kind of did fresh yeah they kind of did that with Winnie the Pooh with that blood and poo that kind of kind of yeah blood and poo would have been a good name too that's uh i think that's a documentary on hemorrhoids
00:31:38
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It wasn't where I was going with that, so we'll stick with your version. Yes, no, I know. I know where you deviants will go. I think I might grab another peer on that topic. Excellent. Mouse isn't slated till 2025. I think it's only PC release. It could be, yeah. What? Yeah. No, we're just going to go straight into the 17% stats. Well, I don't think we're getting through those four, 10% ones then.
00:32:07
Speaker
No, yes, okay. Your silence is golden. I was gonna say grab two. There's small cans. Yeah, let's just do six or seven beers rather than. I just, I don't have a taste, but it's a very good beer. I'm sure it is. Here in Nevada club. Yes. Interesting. Well, we got four big ass fuck off. Actually you guys talk about something. I'm going to wash the glass. Will talk God of War. Cool. You can start while I pour. It's good.
00:32:36
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It's a continuation of, well, I mean, this is, this is what I think is very smart about what they've done. And what I thought was very smart when you got to post game content of post main story content, I guess with God of War Ragnarok is the world continued.
00:32:54
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Yes. Atreus went off. Kratos and Freya went out into the world that was post Ragnarok after the main story was finished. So you had your big emotional climactic finish. And then some games just go, hey, we're going to load you back into 10 minutes before the ending. The world's going to be the same as it was before the final big battle. And so just so you can mop up all your content. Yeah.
00:33:16
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Ragnarok didn't do that. The world had clearly changed in that time afterwards. The conversations between Kratos and Freya are different. New areas are opened up and new things are in the nine realms that you can visit. So I thought it was very smart then that we now have a time jump from that
00:33:37
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post main story content. Uh, the world has continued on more in, and a lot more time has passed. Okay. Uh, and you see, and it's kind of indicates, I felt the, the start of it indicated that Kratos and Mimir had been off doing, doing stuff. Yeah. So you start off in a boat. It's just Kratos and Mimir, um, going through some missed spoilers. Just so.
00:34:01
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This is the first, literally the first 30 seconds of the game. I'm pretty sure it was in the announcement trailer, all this as well. And you're rowing to Valhalla. Amir is saying to Kratos, yep, keep going. This is the way they have a little bit of a chat for the... Do you not visit Valhalla in the game or is that in...? No.
00:34:19
Speaker
I don't know why cuz they're very different games but I do blend the content the vel sorry I do blend content between that and Assassin's Creed. Oh hello hello I was making sure I was gonna say that before words came out so I did the content crosses over in my memory.
00:34:38
Speaker
In the main story of God of War, you, uh, you encounter the Einhertja, which are Odin's warriors that come from Valhalla and they're training in Asgard. So you kind of get a conversation with the trios and Odin as they're walking through and they run into one of the Valkyries.
00:34:57
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Yeah. And they have that conversation about the Inukia and they're training and they're coming back now. Them being in Valhalla. The biofrost damage dudes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can, I'm helping separate the content in my head. There is that kind of element of the warriors that are meant to be in Valhalla are within the main game and doing their training within the grounds of Asgard.
00:35:22
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after you climb that really, really, really tall mountain. Which I'm waiting for the VR version to come out of that climb. So you do get that. But ultimately what the DLC is, is a continuous loop. So Kratos goes to Valhalla, you go in, something happens,
00:35:42
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But if you remember from the God of War I, well, the remake. 2018. 2018, yes. Very good way of doing it. It's the same as when you go to the mists of- Mustleheim. Mustleheim? We were talking about this on the last episode and neither of us could remember. No, it was Niffleheim. Niffleheim. Niffleheim, where you literally go on that loop. And yeah, but this is, it's slightly different. It's meant to be roguelike. Yeah. It's, cause that was constantly damaging you. This,
00:36:12
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Doesn't once again
00:36:17
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We're being a little cryptic about it because there is a storyline to it. It's not just a- Groundhog's Day. Where Niflheim was just, there was a Valkyrie in there. You were going in there to get the- There was some really cool armor. So do that. So it was just a, I guess a content mop up. It wasn't really expanding the story. This greatly expands the story. This has some really good Kratos based core content for him as a character and for
00:36:45
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The world. I think Tom mentioned last that it starts to bridge the gap out of Viking mythos and more towards the original Greek mythology and kind of bridges the gap for the next game. But not just that, it actually gives you a whiff of a larger world. OK. So it's obvious. I haven't talked about that before because they
00:37:14
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They're already much, much more of a one. It actually gives you a clever representation of what could be out there. Okay. The only other time they've really done it was there was a tie-in comic before the release of 2018 that.
00:37:31
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very, very briefly mentioned that Kratos may have visited Egypt. Okay. Um, but it didn't really, it just talks about how he's like wandered the desert and like after, after the events of God of war three. Um, and that he potentially did some stuff on the way before he ended up in the Northlands. Yeah. Right.
Valhalla DLC for God of War
00:37:50
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Okay.
00:37:50
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Because look, I mean, we already knew that all of the gods coexist and all of the pantheons coexist because he has talked about his Greek past in the current series. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but it covers the Greek stuff, but it also covers a wider world.
00:38:06
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within that media. And that's not just through Kratos, that's through another character that is existence, not introduced, a repeating character that is existent within the Ragnarok Valhalla world. And then as you go through, it's each kind of, there's representation of one of the nine realms is like, you have like a base area and then you go into like a combat arena for that.
00:38:34
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Um, so there were, and there are heaps of ties back to Greek mythology. The only thing I felt was I understand what, what I did it for. I was guessing a sense of like time and, but the, you do end up fighting some Greek style monsters, but they are just reskins.
00:38:53
Speaker
Okay. So you fight them, uh, like you fight a Minotaur. It does. It's not a story spoiler anyway. You fight like they bring back the Minotaur and you fight it. Um, it's just another troll. It was those, those frog monsters. It was the big frog monster. It's, it's that, it's that skin. The same with the Cyclops. You fight the Cyclops again.
00:39:09
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which is obviously a big throwback to the first God of War game. But that's just kind of, it's the troll. And even the kill animation is basically the troll killer animation. With the big, the axe into the eye. No, no, the smaller ones. Yeah. And there's harpies, which are reskins of the nightmares.
00:39:31
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Yeah. So that wasn't shitting on them introducing this. It's just, it just, I agree. It's just a game observation. Yeah. You can say it from, from, if you understand, Gabriel, you were like, Oh, okay. I get why they did that. Like it's a DLC, not another game. So bringing everyone back would have been too expensive or to create new monsters and animations and things like that.
00:39:54
Speaker
But it is a beautiful epilogue story and yeah it's it I I got through the whole thing in about seven or eight hours it was a love it was my perfect Sunday. But yeah it's it's definitely worth playing and it's a it leaves you in a really.
00:40:11
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I don't necessarily think they needed to do it, but I'm glad they did it. I completely agree. I completely agree. And it's free. It was a free DLC. And the way the story goes, if they then move on to the next game without kind of filling in
00:40:27
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that blank of where the story does fill in. They would have then had to have filled it in through a comic book or some sort of online or like an old animated, like cutscene animation that they threw in as an extra or something. Or some sort of like, I don't know, yeah, like a bunch of like filling in animation, like CGI sequences throughout the next game, which kind of would have been like, you know, they did that in 2018 where it's like,
00:40:52
Speaker
You don't really know, unless you read that comic book, you don't really know what happened between the time that Kratos left Greece and you got any, um, but it's, they did enough of a job to be like, he was trying to obviously hide from his past, but then he slowly revealed it for in-game purposes kind of thing. And it's this, this is a spoiler, but it obviously got spoiled for both of us. Oh, spoil it.
00:41:20
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I don't know. You'll tell the story, man. I'm trying to find the not Arabic button on my jacket on my, uh,
00:41:26
Speaker
There was- Keyboard. No, I don't, I don't. I'm gonna pull back on that one for a little while until at least you've played at P. And it's the first thing I plan to play when I turn on my PS5 again. So, I mean, I've taken a break after BG3. The thing is, it's cruisey too. Yeah, it's a good way to get back. You get your ass handed to you in the first hour, but then you go, oh wait, my muscle memory's coming back. It's not like I'm gonna turn on my, it's not the same as turning on a PS5 and then starting Elden Ring. No.
00:41:54
Speaker
No, no. And yeah, it's even compared to the main base game, it's a, Hey, I've got 20 minutes. I'll jump in and do a run. It's exactly what I plan to do. That kind of thing. Yeah. We should talk about this beer. It's the summer pale ale. Is that right? This is the mountain culture in Sierra Nevada. There's summer pale ale. So, uh, that's a big fucking company in America to do a collab with. It's impressive.
00:42:20
Speaker
I mean, I would, I would safely say that mountain culture are a big company in Australia now. I wasn't implying that they weren't, but. No, I know what you mean though. Like it is massive. Um, at the same time, they're, I mean, they're big for us in the craft industry, but they're not a big company in Australia. No, not in terms of, yeah, but they are, they are definitely a leader in the craft industry. You'd say now, um, Julie from fan boy status. Uh,
00:42:48
Speaker
But yes, this is their summer parallel. They brought this out kind of early December, but I was lucky enough, I saw a four pack in the bottle shop and I was like, well, I'm grabbing that. Cause I don't know if you guys had it.
00:42:59
Speaker
It's a really beautiful mix of both their styles. You get that real bold American Sierra Nevada hop and bitterness through it, but you get that juiciness from the mountain culture side. I think it's a wonderful blend of both their styles. I tend to agree and it's quite pithy, but it's grapefruit pithy.
00:43:23
Speaker
Do I want to call that a Citra? I think I probably would suggest there might be some Citra in it. Because I'm shipped with naming flavors in beers, I've been studying some of the hop aroma and flavor profiles so I can start to associate the actual potential hops being used with flavors. I do find, though, that the mouthfeel is a little thin. It is thin, but the Sierra Nevada ones aren't.
00:43:46
Speaker
Cause it's like, it's pretty like high volume manufacturing in Sierra Nevada and also like the Sierra Nevada wasn't built on big juicy Neepers that have a boatload of fucking boat and shit like that in them. The Sierra Nevada paleo was their staple and probably still is their biggest. I'm sure it is. And that's, that's not a big.
00:44:12
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heavy bodied thing. It's probably, I mean, this is quite light and that. It wasn't necessarily a criticism. It's a summer palette. Yeah. I think it's perfect for what it is. Yeah. I think it's, it's a, it's 5.6 per thing. Yeah. Um, you know, I wasn't a criticism. It was just an observation and it had quite a thin mouthfeel. Um, I, and I guess I was expecting it to be thicker given the flavor profile more than the MC logo on it.
00:44:40
Speaker
And these are the kind of, this is the kind of like sort of juicy pale ale I like, that you don't have that extra residual sugar in there because it gets heavy. And once again, summer pale ale. Yeah, you wouldn't suffer from palette fatigue. You'd knock back half a case of that pretty easily. Yeah, definitely. 5.6%. You'd feel it at half a case, but yeah, I completely agree. And you would get
00:45:03
Speaker
Too many, too deep before you realise, because you would smash them quite quick. Yeah, especially in a hot summer's day and you'd be trying to do something like around the house, you'd be like, well, I can't use a hammer anymore. Yeah, I think it's time to sit here. Stop knowing. Yeah, it's complete opposite. So I made the mistake. And so this to me would be a camping beer.
00:45:22
Speaker
And all and I so I have a specific anecdote where I went camping and I was. I can't remember why I had put off the purchase of alcohol before the camping trip until on the way to the campsite and we drove four hours south to go camping with a bunch of people. And so cold and you didn't have an esky.
00:45:42
Speaker
No, no, it was just sheer laziness. I'm sure it was just sheer laziness. But anyway, I stopped in a Dan Murphy's on the way through and all I could find in craft section that was cold was Jedi juice. So I bought 16 Jedi juice cans and that's what I was drinking on a very hot summer's afternoon playing cricket. I got to tell you, that was hard. That was like.
00:46:04
Speaker
It's starting to bring like, just sitting heavy in the throat. It wasn't, yeah, it was just not pleasant. So to me, everything else is kind of a comparison of that in terms of refreshingness. That was the opposite of refreshing. Anyway. Kind of like one of those, one of those days where you get, you get a beer like that. And I do not condone this people at home. It's just an observation is make a shanty out of it.
00:46:29
Speaker
Probably would have been wise. Did I dilute it down a little bit? Yeah. Because God, it was deep and chunky. That's why I said I'm not condoning it. You're a monster. You're an unhinged monster. Out of five? I go four and a half. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Very, very good. About a consensus? Yeah. This was brewed at Mountain Culture. I actually think...
00:46:55
Speaker
What's his name? Ken? Steve? Steve Grossman. Came over to brew it with them as well, which is kind of cool. That is really cool. Yeah. He was, uh, obviously like the mountain culture guys are, uh, well known enough now, I think, especially in the US world with, um, DJ's DJ being a US resident.
Summer Pale Ale Collaboration
00:47:12
Speaker
Um, he, um,
00:47:16
Speaker
that they get to go for like the hop harvest and stuff. And I think that's where they're making all these really, really cool connections. Like they're going with some world-class brewers to hop harvests in the US, like in Yakima Valley and stuff. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Before he was at Otis. Yeah. I said motors. Yes. He was driving.
00:47:35
Speaker
But those are the types of connections where you go from being big in the craft beer Australia industry to being a well-known brand in Australia generally. Well, because now you're talking to a massive giant in the US. Well, I think about it in that like.
00:47:52
Speaker
The amount of pubs I go to now and status quo is on tap because of their gabs win. Like winning the gabs hottest 100. I thought it was just cause status quo is a fucking magic beer. I mean, it's a great beer. Yeah. But like, you know, there's a lot of pubs now where I'll be like, you guys were like, you know, a year ago, we're just a straight CUB pub, but now you've all got a craft tap or two. And one of them tends to be a mountain cauldron or a young Henry's like. Yeah. Yeah. The fucking new towner everywhere, everywhere you look.
00:48:20
Speaker
It's not a bad thing. Just quickly on the topic of mini reviews. You triggered, so I had watched a few episodes of Orville and you'd- I triggered you today. Yeah, you did. And you mentioned that you'd always wanted to watch it and I was like, oh, I never really finished it. I've watched a couple episodes. Yeah. And I, but that quick conversation saw some news about Orville today. This is really weird.
00:48:41
Speaker
Go away. Confluence of events. But you know, you and I had an offline conversation about Orville and I went back and decided to finally sit down and watch it all the way through. So it's three seasons and done.
00:48:54
Speaker
Oh, I'm getting this is the new Seth said, like, I can't talk about it, but don't don't discount season four. Wow. OK, I got it because it's been I think it finished in 20. I'm going to ask for those playing it. Maybe you've never heard of the Orville. It's a it's a typical it's a typical
00:49:19
Speaker
McFarland Piss Take TV series, but it's a piss take of Star Trek. It's a Star Trek parody. It's the space balls of the Star Trek world. Wasn't that Galaxy Quest? Yeah, kind of one. And that's what I kind of wanted to say. So after watching three seasons of it in a fairly short succession, I kind of feel like it was originally designed to be a complete piss take of
00:49:45
Speaker
The fandom more than the series itself and it probably never took itself very seriously but by the end of season three. It was its own legitimate like space opera kind of series or space drama that I would happily have kept watching it was it was self aware it never took itself too seriously there were still lots of.
00:50:06
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laughs, but it ended up being less gaggy and parody or less, less satire, more parody. So it was less taking the piss out of things and more just not taking itself too seriously. So it was a reverent. Yeah, that's the word I want to use. You'd have the pilot turn around and go, what the fuck? And which is exactly how you would have seen or expected an actual pilot to behave rather than on Star Trek, where they turn around and say, oh no, what's happened, captain?
00:50:32
Speaker
It just, it didn't take itself too seriously. And in the end, it ended up feeling kind of more real than a Star Trek in that sense. Interesting. More relatable. Uh, I don't know. I'm not going to go deep into this particular topic, but it also tackled some huge political themes or identity politics themes well before it was really a big deal in mass media. Yeah, but that's a big, big alien man having a baby in the first
00:51:01
Speaker
The gay, sorry, the man only society that, but it's, it went a lot deeper than that in seasons two and three where sometimes women are born in that society and they are, they are surgically altered to become men because women are such an abomination to that society. And then that's definitely a dig at the Star Trek fandom. Well, it's also, but it also, but it tackled it in a,
00:51:32
Speaker
Like in a kind of really good, positive way in terms of dealing with that, because it was a misogynistic society, right? And then they meet a misandrist society and the interaction between those two was like exactly as hilarious as you would expect, but also.
00:51:48
Speaker
Like, it was really holding up a mirror to society around double standards and value systems and those sorts of things. And just to me, looking at it and saying, fuck, this was 2018, 2019. That's pretty early to be dealing with transgenderism as a topic in a TV series.
00:52:04
Speaker
Cause it wasn't really in mass media the way it is in Twitter. He's always been pretty close to those political things going on. He's very on the pulse, I would say.
00:52:19
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Um, and I think he did a good job. Like it was well handled.
The Orville's Evolution
00:52:22
Speaker
It never, there was no cringe moment. That's always what I really liked about McFarland is he can be the crassest motherfucker on the planet, but the same time he's never cringe. He's so, but he, there is, oh, there's definitely some cringe moments, but yeah, like family, family guy's rich history. There are some very cringy moments, but he's, he's such an intelligent man.
00:52:38
Speaker
He knows how to take the joke right to the edge. And then he goes, sometimes, sometimes literally he flips the coin and goes, am I going over or am I not? Because sometimes he doesn't, but other times he goes so fucking deep. I've got to say I've, I've seen where he's gone.
00:52:56
Speaker
Too far for certain sensitivity levels, but I've never felt that it's been into cringe land unless he planned for it to be the outcome. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah. But, you know, I was impressed by how Orville handed some of those more complex topics and it's not just that one either. It's not just transgenderism and misandrism and misogynism. Yeah.
00:53:17
Speaker
There was a lot of other themes in or comments on modern society, but it ended up being a really interesting in-depth world. It was the factions were painted like you could see, okay, they're the Klingons and they're the Romulans and you could see the sources, but it ended up turning into its own thing. Yeah. With enough variety and depth that you could easily have seen it going for another six seasons. So what you're saying, Pete, it was really fucking good. It was written really fucking well. Yes.
00:53:46
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I don't know why but it brought back to Emma's been rewatching community one of them shows on her loop but I it's a there's an episode where the Bob Burton comes to me I'm Donald Glover's character and he's like I never wanted to meet him he's my hair and that's a funny thing but then they finally sit down and have some. No the blind.
00:54:07
Speaker
I just smiled and nodded just for the record. Oh, Jordy. Yeah. Oh, Jordy LaForge. Yeah. Okay. Um, that's the, that's the actor's name. But he, there's one episode where they find, they go on a trip together for story reasons. Um, and, uh, Troy is his character. He has this list of questions that he's finally getting cause he has been able to look him in the face without screaming. They're like, that's the thing cause he's such a fan. But then he goes down.
00:54:32
Speaker
Why do they call it Star Trek? You never go to a star. And he goes, it's a really good fucking point. I don't know why, but that's just sat in my head ever since. I was like, I should ask the guys who watch Star Trek. Yeah. Very meta. They went, they traveled to many stars. Yes. But I don't think they actually visited a star. He's like, why not call it just planet Trek? And I was like, that doesn't roll off the tongue.
00:54:55
Speaker
I've got a last little mini review. I've told you guys about this, but I've rebuilt a PS3. So yeah, I've gone back. I've gone back to 2009. So a big thanks to Al who gave me the PS3. He found it in his and he said he actually,
PS3 Nostalgia
00:55:11
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it was kind of cool. He had a lot of joy.
00:55:13
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Finding it in his storage cuz he's like, you know, found the actual console then he found some controllers and then he's like started finding games. He's like, oh, remember this game. I just want to imagine that there was a moment where he had it all collected. He's like,
00:55:28
Speaker
Am I going to say sorry I couldn't find it? After all, there had to be that moment where he flipped the coin. Yeah. So thank you, Al, for that. We had some beers and he brought it down to the brewery and gave it to me. But yeah, so I was talking to Pete about how I couldn't start a game.
00:55:44
Speaker
I don't know if I told you this but I could the games wouldn't start because I finally figured out I'd like took the PS3 apart cleaned it that was kind of that was very satisfying to do as well as like you know I had to go buy a new screwdriver for it all these kind of things and then.
00:56:00
Speaker
Finally got to the point where I've like deep in forums like why won't this ps3 load a game and it ended up being the hard drive was just It shot the fuck just never been replaced since you know So it wouldn't it wouldn't load or it wouldn't load it just wouldn't let it would get to the first game I was able to load
00:56:16
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was infamous and it got to the sucker punch logo at the start of the game and that was juttering. And it was just like a static image and it was just like okay something's broken here i was like if i have to replace the motherboard it's that's it's too far gone but i found a very cheap literally thirty dollar ssd drive on
00:56:38
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Amazon that was ballsy. I gotta say yeah buying any any technology device like a hard drive for 30 bucks ballsy It's like it's a it's a Alibaba or it's an Ali Express Amazon Amazon, but it was definitely a dodgy seller on Amazon But it was uh, yeah 500 gig 2.5 inch starter drive and to get in smash the room for us now
00:56:58
Speaker
It's playing as well as a good PS4. Good quality PS4. I thought you could play PS3 games on PS4. Well, this is where I was going to in this. And this is the thing that pisses me off. Why can't I play these PS3 games on my Sony PlayStation 5? I know that there's something with the emulation of PS3 games is what isn't compatible.
00:57:22
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Because that was the problem with you why you couldn't have backwards compatible PS4s to PS3. Same with why you couldn't, the only PS3 that was backwards compatible with PS2 was the original 60 gig vat PS3. The one that got stolen from my house. Piano black one. Yeah. But like.
00:57:38
Speaker
Surely by now, like, and this is the thing, I would have been able to finish a bunch of these like old PS3 games if Sony would allow us to stream them. Cause that's the only way you can play them on a PS5 now through PS Plus is to stream them. But obviously they don't trust Australian internet and that's fine. So it must be a code emulator sitting on a cloud service somewhere. Yeah. And that's, that's meant to be the only thing stopping me being able to put a PS3 disc into my PS5 and loading it up and playing it.
00:58:05
Speaker
So the reason why you can play PS4 games on the PS5 is because the operating system is fundamentally the same. It's a cut down version of the same OS. And so the interface is different, the graphics settings are different, but the actual instructions going to the hardware are the same. Xbox is in the same situation with the S and the X and all the rest of it. But yeah, the PS3 was a different operating system. And it was basically, I mean, the current modern operating systems on the PlayStation and the Xbox are the same.
00:58:34
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They're almost a Windows light. It's probably a Linux distro more than a Windows distro, but it's the same OS.
00:58:42
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Anyway, but it's brought back some wonderful memories going back to those games, but, and it's similar thing in terms of, so I just finished infamous the other night. I finally got through. I had some, um, some issues with, with certain, one of the trophies. I was like, they don't, they haven't popped. Um, and it's just what I figured out was cause Australian internet's been so shit for so long when I originally, I actually did earn them, but they never uploaded to the Sony server. So Sony's gone, you've got them, but.
00:59:12
Speaker
We don't know when you got them or how you got them, but we're going to say you got them and I'm like, okay, cool. As long as I have, definitely you get them. Um, interesting. You mentioned that, um, Ubisoft, I saw in some news recently, Ubisoft have shut down a fuck ton of games servers. They're about, no, they shut them down January 25th. Right. Okay.
00:59:29
Speaker
Yeah, but it covers Just Cause or a bunch of the Just Cause. Just Cause 2, like the older games. Yeah, a lot of the AC games up to, including, I think Black Flag was in that list somewhere. So all the multiplayer versions of that stuff's gone forever now.
00:59:45
Speaker
Oh, thank God. Never getting that brotherhood trophy. Yeah. But, uh, it's been really fun going back to the piece. Like I know it's, uh, what it's 12, 14, no, 14 years since I played infamous, but it, I was really enjoying running back around again and the same, but same thing as what you said about, um, Valhalla, DS DLC being its continuation, continuation of the world afterwards. I got to the post last mission, the story and it's,
01:00:14
Speaker
It's changes the world depending on your your karma thing so I did the evil play through this time. And it's like the sky is always red and lightning I'm I'm fully evil and it's like that but there's no enemies anymore and I was like that's kind of annoying I need some enemies to get some XP but yeah it's I'm really enjoying going back they would there were.
01:00:34
Speaker
Really good. It was a really good era of gaming. That's really fun to go back. It was a very good era of gaming. It was when these, all these, these, what we take for granted now that had been a little bit bastardized was emerging. Yeah. And all these things were original and well done. And I don't feel that like, and the, the, you, you watch some of the, I remember watching the, it must've been on the disc. When did, when did infamous come out? Surely I first played it in 2009.
01:01:02
Speaker
Oh, okay. So there would have been dev stuff on YouTube and that by then. But I remember them talking about their climbing mechanics and they showed the framework of the climbing mechanics without the graphic on top and how he could jump between points and how original that was. And that's why I don't get.
01:01:21
Speaker
And even going back to the early AC games where you had specific animations and you could see where he was going to grab next. And these new modern AC games that they just seem to climb a bare wall. Like it's, there's not, there's no hand and footholds there back when in the original lazy man and infamous games where there was like, if he can't grab there, he's not going to grab there. Like there's a clear defined line for a windowsill. Here's a, here's a facade of a building that the bricks are.
01:01:51
Speaker
extruding outside the main wall. But certain things you think you could climb, you couldn't because they were like there's energy boxes you can't grab onto because you need to zap them for energy. But it's like you can't really climb on them.
01:02:07
Speaker
And it's, it's great going back to like, you know, obviously the, the parkour elements been well overdone now and in the last, you know, 10, 12 years of video games, but it's, it's really fun to go back to see, oh, that's right. When this came out, this was groundbreaking. This was, yeah. So it's, I'm really enjoying it. I can't wait. There's so many, I've got a few games.
01:02:25
Speaker
And this goes back to the discussion as well about the digital ownership. There were a bunch of games I'm like, fuck, I'm gonna have to pay 25 bucks for a PS3 game that I played 14 years ago. I'm not happy about that, but I'll do it because I want to finish it again. But then I found a bunch sitting in my old PS Plus downloads. I could still access them. I was like, that's a miracle.
01:02:48
Speaker
Yeah, that is. Yeah. That is really seems especially seems Sony's now their license have run out on some of the products that people have purchased. And then you missed that bit and then getting pulled. So yeah, I mean, that's that's incredible. There's still some stuff there for you to pull off. So yeah, that's great. You made me look at my PS3 games because you were asking for some specific ones. But the only ones I own are the only ones are still own. All of the Assassin's Creed games that were in the PlayStation 3 era and Red Dead
01:03:16
Speaker
Two. A red dead one. One. One. Definitely red dead one. Well, I definitely have RDR1, so that would be it. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's the only games I kept. Oh, and I think Force Unleashed, one and two. Oh, he Force Unleashed one. Oh, you can borrow it. Fuck yeah. You just saved me $30. I want to make sure it's there now. Yeah. Actually, no, I think I can see it. I've got really good eyesight. Yeah. It's next to Red Dead. Because the sequels in the Colleggers team. Jesus Christ.
01:03:45
Speaker
That is just a blur of rectangles with colors on them to me. And the Unleash 2 is in the black tin. The collector's tin. I've got the eyes of a hawk and the ears of a fox. Before he gets narrow in the face. Do we want to do another beer or do we want to take a break? We can break. All right. Be right back. And we're back.
01:04:10
Speaker
Oh, we are. You've already hit record. Yeah. I have to. Cause otherwise I don't have a timer. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. So I found those, I found those controllers. They are. Oh shit. Now I've lost the fucking page. What was it? End of line designs.com. So go and have a look at their, their controllers on there. They're all sold out. So you can't buy one anyway. It's more like an art gallery at this point. Yeah. But have a look at them because they're just, they're just spectacular. Do you want to crack a beer? Do we feel like cracking a beer? You all right, Tom? Yeah. Did I piss you off?
01:04:40
Speaker
Always. If you'd really pissed me off, I would have walked out, but you didn't. I would never have really pissed you off enough to make you walk out.
01:04:51
Speaker
Can we open the gingerbread one because like, fuck, I've been waiting for that. I just want them to warm up a bit more. They're very cold. I'll hold them. All right. Well, it's fine. Did you want another mid-strength? No, I'm good for the moment. I'm good. We're about to hit a 10% as I don't need to top up there as we go. Let's do some trailer trash.
01:05:18
Speaker
for the last time. Trailer trash. We're not doing trailer trash in season seven other than now because we might talk about trailers in news. Yeah. I think it'd be more of a, um, uh, like, yeah, we'll bring up if we see something news come to trailer, but we're not going to break it down anymore. And look, frankly, what ruined it for me personally is I can't include it in the YouTube because of copyright disputes, which is fucking horseshit. Watts wasn't it? Really?
01:05:46
Speaker
Well, yeah, there was a bunch of bots and Indian content owners trying to claim copyright for an Australian podcast and yeah. Okay. That's weird. Yeah. Well, I mean, so if I licensed, so, so I had a company that had purchased the exclusive rights to the licensing for a Disney film in India. Claim copyright on our podcast using that content.
01:06:11
Speaker
on behalf of their license from Disney. And it's like, so I had to, my dispute had to involve the fact that we're in fucking Australia, dope. You don't have any right to even claim copyright. Anyway. It's tasty. Thank you, sir. Really what I'd actually hoped it would be.
01:06:32
Speaker
Well, you can do the intro folks to join me. Okay. Um, so Karen, friend of the friend of the podcast owns a catfish bar down in Melbourne. Fantastic little bard. Go, go visit it when you're in Melbourne. Uh, put us on, we'll put me onto a modern liquor who did a New Zealand Christmas pack and it had, uh, smuggled into the country. They got the three, uh, the three, what's that one called?
01:06:58
Speaker
Rejoice. Rejoice. This is Hark. They did three Christmas beers. The other one was a Belgian... Because I herald just for the Christmas beers. Is that what it was? I couldn't remember what it was. I don't know. I'm literally being pulled out of the air. It could be. It was a clothes... I believed it.
01:07:15
Speaker
It was a clove and something Belgian ale, dark Belgian ale. I had that last night because for some reason I thought Tom didn't like Belgians, but he doesn't like wheat beers. So I drank that on my own. Fuck Belgium. Oh, okay. Okay. I was right. Just the country. So this is, this is one of those, this is their ginger period imperial stout at 9.3%. Water, barley, hops, lactose, vanilla, cinnamon, cloves, allspice, coriander, green cardamom, ginger, star anise. Mace? What the hell is mace?
01:07:43
Speaker
pepper spray. It's obviously a weapon. It's obviously a spice. It's obviously a spice of some sort. I've never heard of that. Nutmeg yeast. So that's the ingredients list. I'm impressed by how many flavours you can separate and taste. Yeah. But it's still all very integrated into the gingerbread. The multinus is there. The sweetness is there. The other one was glory. It's pretty close.
01:08:07
Speaker
I think it's really nice. It's really, it's really well balanced and God damn, it hides that 9.3%. It's probably got a lot of sugar in there. It's really tasty. I think it was good. Good job. And to be smuggled in from New Zealand. And from a brewery, I've never heard of small gods. They're in Auckland. I think I mentioned it. I mentioned it in the chat that I drank their dark table beer.
01:08:36
Speaker
Yes, you did. Four and a half percent dark table beer, like that nice black malt, burnt, burnt, sort of burnt barley, burnt toast character. Fuck me, it was good. I think you mentioned it when I was trying the low alc dark table beer from Slow Lane, I think it was. It was like a 3% or a 2.6% dark
01:08:56
Speaker
I only mentioned a couple of weeks ago. Oh, okay. I thought it was on the podcast. I only had these for like two weeks. It was in the chat. Right. It was before I was struck with my sickness over sickness over Christmas. Yeah. The modern liquid, they only brought in 24 of each beer. Oh, wow. So there was 24 mixed cases you got. It was the 12 beers. Yeah. Wow. I'm impressed that you secured a copy. Yeah. There was only a couple left when, when Kieran chucked us that link. So I jumped on and jumped on and
01:09:25
Speaker
I like that we got a series of beers, because I mean, this is the first year in a while that we're not doing Brick Lane Brewing's trilogy of fear. And that is my fault. And also a little bit Slow Lane Brewing's fault, because I did order them. Slow Lane, Brick Lane. Yeah, sorry, Brick Lane. Pick a lane, any lane. Because I did order them and they were closed, so they've only just
Film Trailer Discussions
01:09:46
Speaker
shipped them. Ironically, we'll get here in two days. Two days too late. Trailer trash. Let's talk trailer trash.
01:09:54
Speaker
I forced you to watch a bunch of trailers. You did. And the first one was the kitchen.
01:09:59
Speaker
Uh, which was, is a near future, um, English dystopian, dystopian London. Yeah. I felt very London. Yeah. I felt it was almost like it, it's not true cyberpunk, but it felt cyberpunk. The market, the market thing they went through felt really cyberpunk-y in the kitchen. That's basically what cyberpunk is. It's neons and holograms and bits and pieces. I mean, there's the.
01:10:28
Speaker
the cyberpunk that's in the news at the moment, the game, is more about body modifications and everything like that. But traditional cyberpunk stuff is more about dystopian corpse running the... Yeah, the disparity between rich and poor being so broad that it's insurmountable as a gap. And big things of neon and holograms and that, not so much about the big body modification. So I think it perfectly falls into
01:10:56
Speaker
English Cyberpunk. Yep. It's a Netflix movie released in January 19. So in 13 days, I couldn't really glean what the story was from that. It looks like a father. So all projects have been so all social housing has been shut down in England.
01:11:16
Speaker
other than the kitchen, the area that the main actor lives in. And basically the residents are refusing to leave. So the government has shut down all social housing, including the kitchen. And the kitchen is the last bastion of poor people just saying, fuck you to the government. And then Benji is the young, um, did you get all these from the trailer or did you read something? I read the game through in the trailer.
01:11:43
Speaker
The IMDB blurb. No, it's just a little blurb. Benji is the young African English kid in it who is basically motherless and homeless and looking for leadership and the main parental figure. Yeah. The main African English guy who looked a lot like the. Try to what eyes are for.
01:12:06
Speaker
It's no, no, it's been bouncing around in my head. It's on the tip. Mickey, Mickey from fucking came to me from the Rose Tyler era of Dr. Who. It reminds me, he looks a lot like Mickey, who was also Ricky from Dr. Who. It could have. It's not him. It's not him. I was going to say it's plenty of years on for it to be that age. It was bugging me. So I looked it up and it's not him. I was actually genuinely disappointed that it wasn't.
01:12:30
Speaker
Because he's a good actor. No, it's um, it looks good. I mean, it's different. I'm on, I'm on a personal quest in 2024 will be the year that I get to talk about on the podcast. I'm on a personal quest to find good content that is actually original and pushing the boundary. And even if it fails, I'm still going to give it mad props for trying.
01:12:49
Speaker
Because there's so little I'm interested in, in big Hollywood studios right now. Very interesting what we're going to talk about later. Yeah. And you will find that it's a recurring theme, Dan. You will find it's a recurring theme. Um, but you know, I'm like, I'm, I'm going to be actively trying to watch some more indie stuff that still fits into my wheelhouse. So, cause indie tends to be- Get on to A24.
01:13:12
Speaker
More stories Pete, more stories. But indie for me tends to also end up in art house really quickly and I've got no interest in art house as a style or a storytelling kind of genre if you like. So I want, I want, what was it, the replicant, not the replicants, what was the low budget indie sci-fi with the body modifications that we watched a couple of years ago which keeps coming up because it was so fucking good. It was an Aussie film I think.
01:13:40
Speaker
Oh, um, upgrade. Upgrade? Yeah. That type of indie I'm going to be actively seeking this year. Cause I've got no fucking time for MC for, for Disney, anything Disney. In fact, so Marvel. Fuck off. Star Wars. Fuck off. I might watch outlaws for a couple of episodes. I think things like outlaws is the game. Oh, not outlaws then. Sorry. Um, acolyte.
01:14:01
Speaker
A24 is a fantastic place to start. One, because it's not too far from the wheelhouse, but also the horror thriller side of things is fucking creative. I want to see a bunch of Black Mirror directors being given free license to make fucking movies. Funny you should say that Black Mirror season six is on my best of 23 list. And I think you're right. And a lot of the indie horror thriller people do go that route.
01:14:30
Speaker
And I mean, that's kind of exactly what upgrade is. It falls a little bit short at the end. It falls into a little bit tropey right at the end. And I say this in huge quotation marks. The twist comes in because it was a twist only if you're not a fucking blind man walking through. I'm OK with tropes in so far as.
01:14:51
Speaker
Tropes almost tend to say, are you? Because that's one of the things that always comes up is the tropes. No, but and I was going to explain, it's almost the tail wagging the dog sometimes where the trope is the plot. I'm OK if it falls into a trope because it's a natural place for a narrative to land, even if it's repetitive in that sense. So if you've got a three arc story and it's the, I don't know, the what was Star Wars? I can't remember the name of that style.
01:15:20
Speaker
of the coming of age story and then you've got the lonely warrior story and like these are all- These have been told for thousands of years around campfires and now we've got Hollywood telling us those stories. So there's a level of trope that you cannot avoid because they're the natural landing places for some of these plot devices. I'm okay with that. But if you watch some of the copy paste shit that we're watching in Hollywood at the moment, that's what I'm actively avoiding.
01:15:47
Speaker
Got it. That makes sense. Anyway, that's a good goal for the next year. Welcome to my world. I'm just really depressed after watching a couple of interesting and intelligent breakdowns of a lot of stuff we've been watching. It gave voice to a lot of the gut feelings I've had recently and it's just really depressing.
01:16:10
Speaker
I mean, one of the other good places in Australia to start is SBS On Demand. Yeah. Because it's got an absolute... Which is where I found a bunch of stuff that we've talked about on the podcast. War of the Worlds. Yeah, things like that. Yeah, but their movie database for that sort of stuff.
01:16:28
Speaker
Brilliantly creative stuff that's absolutely not mainstream, small stories and just fucking great. It doesn't have to be non-mainstream, and I'm saying that because, but just not copy paste. And I'm saying that because just thinking about some of the really good stuff that I've seen in 23, it was all Apple+.
01:16:48
Speaker
So it's not that I'm avoiding large companies. It's not an eat the rich theme. It's just, just I'm sick of this over here and I need something. It goes back to the, are we going to, we need to see a boom of creativity. Yeah, we really do. Um, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I will watch one or two episodes and they make a decision, but I'm fucking pretty sure that I'm done with Dr. Who on the same thing.
01:17:12
Speaker
for the same reasons. Anyway, so kitchen looks good. Land of Bad was the other one I forced you to watch, which is generic action film trailer. I'll watch it. I think it looks all right filmed. It's one of those ones that you don't need a film to be groundbreaking every time. You need sometimes just want to sit down and watch like something that's like, hey, look, it's really, it's nicely shot. It's acted
01:17:34
Speaker
Good enough. But it got me through two hours when I had nothing else to do and I didn't feel like doing something else. I really like war films though. So I'm kind of a... That to me is an afternoon movie. Yes. It's not a nighttime movie. You don't have to wait for it to be dark. It's at two o'clock. Although, I don't know, looking at that trailer, you might need to wait for it to be dark to watch it. What was that? Because it looks really dark. You don't want too much glare on that. That's why I only watch Reacher at night. Because there's so many night fucking stealth scenes.
01:18:02
Speaker
Anyway. The thing I want to see come out in, especially in all films in the next year, is audio mixes, getting their shit together, and stop making dialogue so fucking quiet and then having a massive explosion. The amount of movies that Emma and I have to watch now, we have subtitles on. With subtitles on because A, we've got a shitty neighbour, but B, just because if we turn it up, we get our ears blown out like the next scene.
01:18:29
Speaker
It's just there's no, I don't know what's going on in the audio mixing world, but fucking pull your socks up. Also, you are aging. And, and no, no, no. So, and because it brings up an interesting topic for, no, because this is pretty common. Yeah. Relates to an article I read a few months ago about the prevalence of, of Jen wires and Gen Z who have subtitles permanently on now.
01:18:53
Speaker
And it's just becoming a thing to have subtitles on because it's getting harder and harder to fucking hear it over the Dean of the background noise but but also, I'm talking about the polarization from going from you have to turn it up when it's just a dialogue scene and then the next will be a massive explosion of those obvious speakers yeah because the dialogue track has been volume down in the master master tracks yeah.
01:19:14
Speaker
The Evil West suffers from that horribly. Yeah. It was
Action Film Actors & Trailers
01:19:19
Speaker
like I could if I didn't have the subtitles on in that opening cinematic, I wouldn't have been able to tell because the music and sound effects were way too high. I do it in a lot of PC games. I dropped the music significantly. So the disparity will get worse over time as you age as well.
01:19:37
Speaker
Because I actually, because of this phenomenon, I actually went and had an audiologist test my hearing and for a bunch of other reasons as well. To come back and see- Yeah, I did that post COVID, because I told you guys I had the tinnitus thing. I only got it checked out and she's like, your ears are fine. She's just like- So it ends up being neurological a lot of the time. And like an audiologist typically won't be able to, I mean, they can look at structural issues with MRI. So I had a brain fucking scan as well as part of that same thing. But anyway, weird medical stories online. Like a big dick.
01:20:07
Speaker
In my head, like space vaginas. So land a bad arm. Russell Crowe, Liam and Luke Hemsworth and Milo Ventimiglia, who was the good guy in Heroes. And I'm actually really interested to see him again. He's been in stuff. He became like the bad guy and other things, but I'm thinking a guy who looks very weirdly like him, but isn't.
01:20:32
Speaker
probably the guy you thought he was. What was- Well, I only saw him for like two seconds in that trailer. And who did you think he was? And I watched on my phone too. I thought he was Shadow Moon from American Gods, but it's not- That's the guy that you were thinking of. Yeah, I've seen American Gods. Yeah, I've seen more than I have. I stopped at season one. Furiosa, you guys, I think we already talked about this trailer. I just hadn't seen it. So- I don't think we did. We talked about it on flying. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't, it, it, I, it feels weirdly cashiny.
01:21:01
Speaker
Yeah. I'm a hundred percent behind what Dan said about it. So I'll let Dan speak for himself, but I'm agreeing. Everything you fucking said. Yeah. So then we were talking about there's no spirit, there's no soul. Yeah. So a lot of the stuff that was practical in Fury Road looks CGI here. There's no dirty burnt sun drenched color filters over the thing. I don't think I like Anya Taylor Joy, but I don't think she has the screen presence of Charlize Theron. Um,
01:21:30
Speaker
I'm not sure. Hemsworth, I can't pick who Hemsworth's playing. I thought he was playing Immortan Joe, but then- No, he's not. He's playing a different guy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm pretty sure he dies at the end, which is why we don't know him from the rest of the- From the next one. Yeah. Okay. I think his character is purely for the- You seem falling into fire. I'm pretty sure that it's probably, it's in the trailer, but it's probably his death scene.
01:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, it could well be. Who knows? I like him in, I think he, actually I shouldn't say that. I think he will be good in that slightly bent mentality, character kind of thing. But he'll be another wait and see. I could be completely wrong about Anya Taylor Joy. She just doesn't seem to be. The trailer just wasn't cut well.
01:22:17
Speaker
I don't think so. And there was- I agree with that. I think it's purely down to the trailer and- I hope it's purely down to the trailer. And maybe they just had- Chris Hemsworth is playing Dementus. Don't think he's in character that- I don't think so. Doesn't ring a bell. But the guy with the teeth skull mask is in it? That's a callback to the fucking Fury Road.
01:22:45
Speaker
And look, maybe the trailer, the lack of practical effects and the lack of actual sand. Yeah. Maybe the lack of actual sand is just that they hadn't finished post production in time for the trailer and they've just CGI'd it in. And that's what we were saying, that it's the trailer they might-
01:23:01
Speaker
But how hard is it to throw a fucking filter on shit these days? It's not that expensive. Film it in the fucking desert. They filmed it somewhere here where they filmed the original Mad Max, which was Broken Hill. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's where the Mad Max museum is. It's a new, an introduces new villain, Dementus, who was a rival to a Morton Joe's son in the video game.
01:23:24
Speaker
Okay. That was a good view. It's a long bow to draw though. It is a very long bow to draw. It was a very good game and he's not actually in it that much, but yeah, sure. Um, we, okay. That's cool. Oh fuck. I'd love if they just pulled if like avalanche just pulled another Mad Max two video game out of their back pocket. I still need to play that game. I intend to play that game. It was good. Um, just in time for, um, what was the, what was the, um, driving post-apocalyptic driving days gone?
01:23:54
Speaker
No. No. That's Pacific Drive. Thank you. Pacific Drive. And I was talking about Burnout Paradise. I was thinking about a completely different game. That's definitely not. No. Cause, cause in the last episode you mentioned, I'm like, I was, you know, kind of like Burnout Paradise and you're like, yeah, but kind of if it was blah, blah, blah. I'm like, and when I was re-editing, I'm like, yeah, it has nothing to do with Burnout Paradise. You dick shit.
01:24:14
Speaker
You've got a time to do that when I'm editing like Pete, shut up. The car combat in Badmax has some similarities to the burnout. Yeah, no, but he's talking about Pacific Drive, which is the yet to be released post-apocalyptic driving. Oh, yeah. It looks totally different than nothing at all. Nothing at all. Nothing at all. The whole time was being really, really polite. You've got to hand it to him.
01:24:39
Speaker
Yeah, Pete, and not really, but sure. I just remember seeing, and this came up in the chat, I just remember seeing that first Fury Road trailer and going, well. Yeah. And I don't know whether because. It's like the original Mad Max, but with an actual plot that you can follow. And it was, we hadn't seen Mad Max in such a long time and it was, it was a new visual take on what it was. And I've, but still look up this, I've loved Mad Max for years, but
01:25:04
Speaker
I don't know whether it's now, if this Furiosa trailer had been the Fury Road, when I would have gone, that looks fucking good. Yeah. Or now I'm going, it doesn't look like Fury Road, so. Which I still think is a fair measure. We got a film after all those years, we got a really good film in Fury Road that set a new bar for what we should expect from that IP. Yeah.
01:25:33
Speaker
If it goes down from here, it's going to be just another sequel that failed to live up to the original. And George Miller just, come on, he's not going to, he's made so few movies over the years. He's pretty old though, isn't he? And yeah, he would be definitely in his sixties, if not seventies by now.
01:25:51
Speaker
If he can nail this, if you could just go, I'm going to do one more Mad Max, like one more mainstream Mad Max, and then I'm done. And then we call it quits there and go from there. But if this doesn't perform or doesn't sort of come through to the same level as Fury Road, then maybe there isn't another one.
01:26:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's all I think if this board you handed over to is there a director not? I wouldn't I definitely wouldn't they would Mad Max in slow emotion you know you know what if if if it had to be handed over I
01:26:31
Speaker
You would, you would almost have to go with Hemsworth and his extraction crew. Yeah. A lot of them are stunt people. They know how to film an action scene. So you would just go, you know what? Here you are. It does need that Australian flavor. It does. Yeah. Oh, the person running it has to be an Aussie. Yeah. Has to be and has to be an Oco Aussie. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.
01:26:55
Speaker
So I think that would be... I'd definitely say on that one, you'd sit and wait to see a second trailer fit further down the development line and hope that it's just a shit first trailer. I think I'm going to pull it on the trailers and I'll just wait till the cinema. I don't want to be any more... Get in your own head before you've seen it? Exactly. I would watch a Mad Max directed by Gareth Edwards.
Anticipation for 'Dune Part Two'
01:27:21
Speaker
Go into, not the Mad Max Fury Road, but the character.
01:27:29
Speaker
that Fury Road described right at the start in the opening sequence where he's in his own head, he's going crazy, he's dying of thirst, and he's having almost a psychedelic trip. And that journey into self, I actually think could be told in a really interesting way through that kind of almost war film style. He's half in his own head and half just dealing with the world around him, but not really living in the world around him. Like in a Gareth Aidswood Mad Max apocalypse now mashup. Apocalypse now mashup. That's exactly where my head was.
01:27:58
Speaker
I can see that working. Yeah. He'll be an interesting take on it. Or whoever did the, I can't remember the director's name, he did the Batman with Patterson. Matt Reed. Yeah, it was Reed. Yeah. I could see that. He's got the right. He does color palette. Yeah. But he obviously doesn't have the, the, the quintessential Australianism that he would need to bring that out. Yeah. He definitely need a consult on that. And Dan's free from Fridays after 4pm.
01:28:29
Speaker
So just on the topic of sand, we got a second trailer for June part two. I know you're not, you're actively avoiding June part two trailers. I'm probably going to actively avoid June part two.
01:28:43
Speaker
I'm, I've got a boner for it, to be honest. It's, it's the only trailer that I've seen in a while that seemed to have any sense of soul to it. And it's again, it's probably because it was written by somebody who was actually good at writing narrative stories,
Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire
01:28:58
Speaker
um, and has been faithfully adapted. Yeah. So you can say, and I have said, and we'll continue to say what you like about the director, but at least he's faithfully retelling the story. He's not trying to say that was a silly comment.
01:29:12
Speaker
He's not trying to make it his own in so far as I changed the story. He's trying to make it his own in terms of how to tell the story, which I think is actually the director's fucking job. I will give him credit for that. That is very true. It's like when you watch people try and do a rendition of a national anthem and do it like in some weird remix version. Like he's not doing that. That's such a good man.
01:29:35
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He's doing a faithful rendition where you, if you think there'd be other people who would try and put their, you spin on it. And then the last trailer I listed was Ghostbusters Frozen Empire. And I was like, I wasn't even sure. That was the first one we saw, which was like, it didn't really.
01:29:56
Speaker
Afterlife? Yeah, it's set after, it's like follow-on from Afterlife, but it was, there wasn't much shown from it. It was more of a teaser? Yeah, it was a, no, no, it was a teaser. Now you've got a full trailer. This is a full trailer. Oh, so there is a second one? Okay. Yes, yes, yes. And the second trailer I gotta say... They're all back. Looks really good. Except for Harold Ramis. Yeah.
01:30:17
Speaker
for plot reasons. Nothing, nothing else. More like the plot armor fell off. I just hope Bill Murray doesn't phone it in. Only Hudson is like absolutely in on this because he bought the fucking firehouse or something. Like he saved it from being demolished or something.
01:30:37
Speaker
Um, so absolute hats off to him. So he's, he's all in on this and I'm really looking forward to him sort of helming it and being the mentor. I just hope, um, Bill Murray doesn't phone it in and I hope Dan Aykroyd doesn't go his fucking full weird ass conspiracy. Yeah.
01:30:56
Speaker
And then the young actors are all back to so there's a lot of continuity from afterlife i just. I hope i can't remember his name and i could look it up but i just can't be bothered i just hope he doesn't do too much stranger things. What are the director the actor doesn't.
01:31:13
Speaker
I hope that he portrays a different character than you got to see in Stranger Things. He didn't so much in the last one. No, he didn't. Yeah. Yeah. And this is, this is, I think I read that this is definitely post-Gosa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gosa's like done done. So it's, it's going to be, that's cool that they're going completely new. It's cool that they used comics and graphic novels to flesh out a world around Ghostbusters as a concept. I don't know.
01:31:41
Speaker
Well, that's where I mean, yeah, that's that's a whole pantheon behind Ghostbusters from the original Ghostbusters movie. Oh, no, but this. Oh, no, not so much this. It's more this is a this is set in a universe that has now been handed to them by the graphic novels more than the original movie. OK, so OK. Gotcha. Yeah.
01:31:59
Speaker
Yeah, I think I mean, people chat on after life. It was pretty good. I cried at the end like a little bitch. It was what it was. I mean, I don't think it was always meant to be a nostalgia-fueled trip, though. It was handing over of the torch and I found it was a good job. It was a good way of doing that because it never shied away from the fact is like, oh, we're being nostalgic as fuck here.
01:32:22
Speaker
Oh yeah. It wore that on its sleeve. But in all the other movies that have tried to be nostalgic, they've re-traded the same ground. And even though Ghost After Life had- Or Shat on the original. Or Shat on the original completely. Even though they had Goza and they had the original cast and a lot of the equipment and things like that, they made something that felt
01:32:41
Speaker
new in that world like how the Egon character had set the trap up with all the proton beams and everything like that. I mean, there was nothing like that. There was a level of continuity of advancement. That's a perfect way to put it. Exactly. And they made it their own. They continued a story. They paid homage and respectful homage to what came beforehand as well as- Which is the right way to do it. Is the new people to move on to.
01:33:06
Speaker
And going forward, we might get Ernie Hudson, I don't think Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray will be doing many more. But if they go on any further, I have full respect if Ernie keeps going on and does more. He's a great character
Beer Tasting Session
01:33:24
Speaker
in the Ghostbusters movie, Ghostbusters 2. Sorry, one, can you pass me that can? Two, what is the score for that can? Three, can we pull the next one please?
01:33:33
Speaker
There's so much going on. I can do all those things. I'm happy for that to be, well, I'm... I reckon it's a five or a four seven five. I'm calling it four. Four? Okay. We can average out the scores. I think it's four to four and a half in that ball park. Tom? One.
01:33:53
Speaker
So it's a two and a half. No, I think 4.25. It was very good, but I lost a lot of the spices towards the end. Has it warmed up? Not necessarily as it warmed up, like just through the back palate. Or has the 10% hit you? A little bit. Yeah, no, I hear you. Okay, so the average is 4.25. The palate's been out for a bit. It's also pouring in these glasses pours weirdly almost nitro. Well, I mean, they are the stout glasses.
01:34:22
Speaker
Uh, so the first one was Small God's Hark. Yes. And the next one is Small God's Rejoice. The Cherry, Cherry and Raspberry double stout at 9%. Uh, yeah, it's around his birthday. So it makes sense. The Bell's do toll would have been a better name for that second beer, but whatever. I've been listening to that album while cleaning my house for you if I was to come over. Um, Oh, you cleaned.
01:34:51
Speaker
It's my, yeah, it's our annual recording. It's the annual vacuuming. Fuck yeah. I was waiting for the tub of weed to come through. Can I have the can, please? Yeah, the tub of weed's name is Kara. It's, it's. Oh, a lot thinner than I expected. It's, yeah, it's, it's thinner than I expected. It's fucking marachino cherries, like a hundred percent. It's marachino cherries. I don't know if it's the leftover spices, but I'm getting a weird aroma. I got a little bit of spice on mine too. I wondered whether it was a little bit left in there too. But it's like,
01:35:21
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It's like weirdly salty. Water, barley, hot lactose, raspberry, cherry. That's the entirety of what's in that one. Plus the residual of the gingerbread that we had in our glass. I want to deconstruct this a little bit. Sorry, what's it called? Rejoice.
01:35:43
Speaker
I'm not sure if I'm rejoicing. I find it thin at the start and then it kind of curves up into a different mouthfeel. You do definitely get the cherries, but I get a lot of black malt in the back palate too. It has a lot of, um, acrid, what's acrid is the wrong word. A stringent. Thank you. I love that word. I can never remember when I need it. A stringency at the end. Yeah. It sits as that harder bitterness there as well.
01:36:11
Speaker
But maricino cherries are a little bit bitter too, aren't they? They are. It's almost a fermented flavour, but not quite.
01:36:18
Speaker
Not in the traditional. The raspberry's there to start. Peter's out really quickly. And then the cherry really, really dominates in my, in my mind. Zero alcohol burn. I know. Yeah. Or a 9.6. Just nine, that one. Um, I would, I would, this, this to me would, I mean, I'm a bit of a fruitcake fiend. Uh, so, and you could have finished that sentence earlier.
01:36:42
Speaker
Uh, as well as the, uh, I know a lot of people hate them. Shame on you people. Uh, the fruit mince pies, uh, Christmas fruit. I really like them too. Um, I like it a traditional fucking.
01:36:57
Speaker
A Christmas fruit cake. What are they called? I'm pudding. Christmas pudding. The boiled ones with threepence in them. A little bit of pud. My grandma used to do that and put threepence in them as well. So did mine. This would be like an absolute compliment to all that. And you can have some Christmas pudding with some custard and have this at the same time. And it would really balance quite nicely. I mean, obviously, because it's complimenting flavours. And you'd have to have those glazed cherries on them or through them. I hate maricino cherries.
01:37:27
Speaker
Yeah, years of making fucking cocktails with them as they taste that flavor now. And you can smell the juice and it gets on you. And once it's on your clothes of a night, it's just there.
01:37:40
Speaker
Um, I do like it. I don't think it's as good as the gingerbread. Um, I think it's probably a three seven five. Yeah. Yeah. Very happy to drink it. Um, but I think the gingerbread one was gingerbread one was a bit more balanced. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's, it's the, it's the, the natural city of those raspberries is coming through and that's, that's also killing me a bit. Like I've been drinking a lot of raspberry sour lately and that's like,
01:38:08
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah. It's not working for me. Um, I would probably get closer to a three. Cool. Okay. Yeah. So it's going to average at a three and a half. Cause I just haven't compared this artwork. Oh, they all had three. Yeah. You, if you look on the website that shows the artwork in detail and the other one was a bit more gold.
01:38:27
Speaker
I just, I just thought I can see kind of cherry shaped and raspberry shaped patterns in here. And I just wondered whether the, the, the gingerbread one had something similar sort of in its artwork, but it doesn't kind of, kind of just more generic Christmas patterns. Yeah. Um, shall we move into space vag territory? Oh, can I run through my 23? Oh yes, please do. Sorry. I forgot to tell you before, but mace is the sister spice of nutmeg.
01:38:55
Speaker
Oh, OK. We asked what was mace before. Oh, what an interesting way to describe that, though. It's the sister spice. Is it a plant? Is it a root? Is it? It's like saying, how do you how would you describe Sydney? Well, it's the sister sister town to Kyoto in Japan. So nutmeg is the seed found inside the ripe fruit of the tree after it's been picked and split open. The lacy membrane that surrounds the seed wants to move and dried is mace.
01:39:24
Speaker
Oh, right. It's not the sister. It's literally the same, same plant. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Sorry. When you say sister, I, I, my brain goes to, it's a similar house.com and they said, yeah. And then they, they'd have a picture here and it shows mace is literally the, like almost outer, like it's a husk, not the whole husk, but like kind of like a interlacing shell over the top.
01:39:48
Speaker
I wonder if it's a toned down sort of similar character, but like a toned down, like nothing can really get overpowered. Easily. Yeah. Um, sorry. When you said sister, I, I, my brain went to it's a plant that's in the same genus or something. Yeah. I thought that too. Yeah. And that's just how they, that website phrased it. But yeah, there you go. Um, that is nice. Oh, that's pews. Um,
01:40:11
Speaker
So my 23, I'm not going to spend any time on this so we can roll into... We will, don't worry. We're going to absolutely tear you shreds away. We've got two 15% beers to get through. My movies were Evil Dead Rise, fucking love it. I'm a mad Evil Dead fiend and I just thought it was a fantastic addition to it and I'm really looking forward to what they're going to do in the future. Bruce Campbell's come out and said,
01:40:34
Speaker
This is now a franchise we are now going to look at releasing more movies. We can't just make content anymore. It's going to be a universe, but all right. It's a good universe. I agree with you on that one. But it has been for a long time. After Army of Darkness, they went into comic books. It's a universe. I agree. It was more making a comment about the industry, less about that content.
01:40:57
Speaker
I really want to see Bruce come back. I really want to see Beth and Mia from the first one team up with whoever's going to be the hero in the third movie wall, all with Bruce Campbell as the dumb uncle that fucking ties it all together. I really want to see that happen. He wouldn't necessarily fit into the world that they've built now, but, uh, could he come back as like the really like jaded
01:41:21
Speaker
Like cynical whiskey chugging, old uncle, he's like, well fuck, if I need to go back and fix all this shit. Kind of what he plays anyway. Yeah, I know. But like go even further with it. Like in Ash versus the Evil Dead, that is him. Yeah. He's, he's with a woman in his trailer smoking weed and he pulls out the Necronomicon and they'd fucking trashed in this really psychedelic flashback kind of thing. Like he, cause he remembers a couple of days once. My perfect Sunday. When, once the Evil Dead.
01:41:47
Speaker
once the dead lights start to come out, he starts to remember that he's got this woman and he's tried to impress her. And he's just absolute trail of trash at this point. And he just starts reading from the Necronomicon when he's absolutely stoned.
01:42:00
Speaker
So yes, he could definitely play that. Marshall Mather's cameo in that story. Sisu. Loved Sisu. Just a good action movie. And it just shows that these sort of things can be done on a budget with. And contained. And contained. And absolutely contained. I can't wait for the sequel. And I stand by that you can have a main protagonist that doesn't say anything until the last 30 seconds of the movie.
01:42:26
Speaker
I still haven't watched Silent Night, but I'm really keen to. Yeah, I haven't yet either. Oh yeah, it's been released because they really mistimed the release for that. It should have been ready for Christmas. It should have been. Yeah. And I thought exactly the same thing. I'm interested to see how that plays out as another silent protagonist. Obviously the creator loved it, thought it was not a flawless movie, but definitely something that had an amazing backbone to it and beautifully. Someone said the other day though, was it you saying waiting for a director's cut? You want to see?
01:42:56
Speaker
Gareth Edwards said there is a director's car. Four hours. Four hours he had to cut it. I actually, I did find myself in that movie going in the middle. No, no, in the middle going like, Oh, I'm aware of how long this is taking compared to some other films where I've just like gone, Oh, that was two hours and done. There was, yeah. Unless it's like, Oh, we're the other way. I think they could have spent. That's the thing. It was right in the middle.
01:43:20
Speaker
by the side of it. Which tells you that the pacing was right for the film, right? Yeah. But I think for a director's cut, you're already invested in the IP and you actively choose to watch something that's... Yeah, I would hope that he's going to add something more to the middle, which is just going to... It got like a bit two story heavy, I felt, in the middle bit. Like it was a bit too explainy. Yeah. And I think it needed just another sequence in there to break that up. We'll get into explainy later.
01:43:45
Speaker
But I actually think you could do, I think it lacked time spent in Japan. Yes. I think that sequence in the hotel was way too short and that they could have spent a lot more time exploring. Which is about the halfway mark, isn't it? Yes, it is. Yeah. But I think they could have spent more time exploring the world around them and just seeing what modern times look like in that world. But isn't that the beauty of visual storytelling?
01:44:10
Speaker
Yeah.
Film Analysis: 'Talk to Me'
01:44:11
Speaker
They spent time there. They showed you a whole bunch of shit that they didn't verbally explain. And you're all of a sudden going, hey, I want to see more of that shit because it looks great. The thing is that's going to I understand exactly what you're saying without saying.
01:44:25
Speaker
But to me, it hit me in the same place that the other film that we are yet to talk about hit me in that it got my imagination on overdrive. And I loved the creator for that. It's not so much what the movie contained. It was the imaginativeness of it triggering my imagination to continue after the film had stopped. And to me, that's what you need for a five star review from me.
01:44:51
Speaker
And it doesn't always hit the same content that it hits for you guys, which is interesting to talk about, but it's, it also doesn't necessarily have to be a $300 million movie either. Anyway, carry on. And it wasn't. And it wasn't. And I definitely, yeah, Rogue Two was great.
01:45:07
Speaker
Super Mario was great and one of those movies that the people understood a very basic framework to move something that was a 2D and a 3D game into a world that you go, yeah, that makes sense.
01:45:29
Speaker
It works. And the composer just nailed it. Yeah. Yeah. And so did Jack Black. Talk to me didn't come out in 23, came out in 22, but I saw it in 23. Why? Okay. So I want to just, I'm not challenging you at all, but why has that captured your attention in the way that it has? So, so to contextualize the question. Feels like a challenge.
01:45:50
Speaker
No, not at all. So I put it on in the background of something else that was going on that was very distracting. So I saw bits and pieces of it, didn't really get into it. The volume was down for most of it, but it just, to me, all I got was the violence and the, I mean, because it is a horror film, so I got the gore part of it.
01:46:10
Speaker
But obviously there's a layers this layers and depth to it that I didn't manage to and I intend to watch it, but what has captured your attention? What you just mentioned there, the violence, it's a super juxtaposed the level of violence was there and one scene of the level of violence that happens in one scene to one particular character and the innocence of these characters.
01:46:33
Speaker
These are high school kids and they're not presented to us. I don't know whether it speaks to me a bit more than what some of the other teen slasher movies do because they're Aussie kids. Like, and they talk, even though a different generation, they talk like we talk. They do things we go, yeah, we fucking did that. Like that was a hundred percent us when we were in high school. And it was, we literally did these things.
01:46:59
Speaker
But Ouija boards were a thing when we were growing up too. But the hand is an analogy for drugs. The directors have clearly said this. It is there. The hand in it and the talking to the demons is the kids taking drugs.
01:47:13
Speaker
So we quite literally did these things and shit goes off the rails. Things happen. I went to a party when I was a late teen. We all got far too drunk. I wasn't too drunk. And a kid went through a plate glass window. Like he went through not a window, a glass sliding door. He ran in from outside. Is this the kid that used to be on the podcast?
01:47:34
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no, no. He did exactly the same thing. A separate group of friends. He went through this and then we patched him up. We did everything we could to hide it. We got a glass person in the next day to replace the glass sliding door so the parents didn't know. Parents came home. We didn't notice the bit that's in the middle of the glass doors. Oh, that makes little hexagons things. The fucking pattern was different.
01:47:58
Speaker
So the pattern on the sliding door was different to the static pattern, so the parents knew as soon as they came home. So we've gone through this whole thing of hiding this. I'm actually surprised my sliding doors don't have any warning indicators that it's a window. I felt I could really relate to those kids at that age because we did dumb shit as well.
01:48:19
Speaker
And the violence is a real juxtapose, and especially the main violence that happens about halfway through, the kid that it happens to is younger than the main core. So he's the younger brother of the sister whose friends they are. So she's 17 ish. He's got to be 14, 13, 14. So, and the major violent point happens to him. Yep.
01:48:43
Speaker
I'm pretty sure the only bits that I actually ended up seeing were the really, really violent parts. This is the part where he is a bit of a headbanger and then there was a part in the shower towards the end.
01:48:59
Speaker
And the other thing was, it went out of a little stereotypical kid slasher movie or supernatural movie where they set up parties to use this hand to talk to
01:49:17
Speaker
the spirit. And it gets to a point where they just keep doing it. Within the night, they're all together. It's their second time, all this, this call group of being together. And it's not like the other movies where they use a Ouija board, they wake up a demon, they all freak out. They go out, they find someone to explain everything that's happened to them and they find some way to. Exactly. So, but these, these kids, they, they discover what's going on with his hand and then they just keep going.
01:49:47
Speaker
Who's next? Who's next? And then they get around and get through the group and like, I'm going again. And it's this montage of them in one night just constantly talking to the demons. Which is a good reference back to the whole drugs thing. We know it's fucking us up. Yeah. And we're going to do it anyway. We're going to do it anyway. And it was- As the next smoker, I can relate. Yeah. It was that step out of the norm.
01:50:10
Speaker
Even though it did hit the same horror beats, there's a resolution, a kind of resolution at the end, and it hits those beats. And then there was one point at the end that, or towards the end, probably start of the third act, halfway through the third act, that just disturbed me.
01:50:29
Speaker
completely, completely and utterly disturbs me. And that stuck out. And if a movie can do something like that, and makes me think about it a lot, and I woke up the next morning still thinking about that one particular scene, and it's literally on screen for seconds. Yeah, right.
01:50:45
Speaker
And if a movie can do that, it's succeeded in my mind. If it's well acted, it's got some original ideas through it, still follows through on its first, second, third act and resolves in a way. I think they've completely succeeded. And to come from
Video Game Discussions
01:51:03
Speaker
their background, from YouTubers to directors and to have had a successful film like that,
01:51:11
Speaker
I think that in Australia in it's its own hurdle. Yeah. And Miranda Rotto plays the quintessential Aussie mom. That's that's why I just I just those those those elements there and it's.
01:51:28
Speaker
going back to everything that we've done. It's not something we haven't seen before, but it's got original ideas. But we've seen everything. We have seen everything, and everything's just a derivative of something. And we're well-read enough and well-educated enough that there ain't no story we haven't already heard anyway. And they needed, and if somebody can put something in that makes you go, whoa, I didn't see that coming, or whoa, you know, that's
01:51:51
Speaker
Nobody's had the guts to do that before. Or it's an interesting variation on a theme. Exactly. That wins it for me. I think they lose points for the fact that they're doing a sequel. Yeah, potentially. Yeah. No, I was going to say just as we've hinted at the film to come that we're going to discuss, did the exact opposite of what you did. I did not wake up the next morning and think about it in any way. Actually, I think about two hours after watching it, I went,
01:52:18
Speaker
Wait, did I watch it? It was like, was that a fever dream? It's like eating McDonald's. You feel full for about 10 minutes and then you're hungry an hour later. And then you do a dirty big mackerel blow up. So, okay, that was my movies. TV shows this year's season. The Snyder Bog.
01:52:39
Speaker
It might actually be the title. This year's season of the English Taskmaster. Ah, Taskmaster. It's so much fun. And it's just, it's such a way to get away from the shitty world. Yeah. It's just brilliant. Do you watch Big Fat Quiz of the Year? Yes. That English humor is all just very- 8 out of 10 cats. I was just about to say the only place I get that is 8 out of 10 cats. You should watch Taskmaster. You'd love it. I've seen
01:53:08
Speaker
bits. I think I've seen episodes on a plane, but I've never really. Oh, and I sit down and watch it. Cause the best thing is when you sit down and watch it and then you think about how you do the tasks. And when I do that all the time, when she's like, how'd you do that? And I went this and she goes, Oh fuck, I hate how your brain works sometimes.
01:53:23
Speaker
And it's really good because they have the five comedians or personalities, because they're not all comedians, in the studio live, and then they replay the tasks to them that they did months ago, like six months ago. And some of them are so fucking terrible. They comment at the end, so they watch the film. But you see them as they, when they remember what they did, and so many of them go,
01:53:50
Speaker
Just bury their hands. It's just like some of them is just the way they had thought at the time. They're just like absolutely embarrassed. But the five personalities, the five people that are together, you see them develop as a group of friends as it goes along too because... Yeah, that's what I'm going to say. She's like, you just know that they're all friends off camera and they probably go to the pub afterwards.
01:54:11
Speaker
The first, probably, episode, they're all kind of just quite quiet. Figuring each other out. And then the second episode, they start to loosen up. And literally, by the third episode, they're ragging shit on each other. So it's almost a social experiment as well. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And Greg Davies and Alex Horne, their chemistry is- Alex Horne!
01:54:32
Speaker
Their chemistry together and towards the contestants too, it really, they provide the groundwork for people to open up. They don't close anybody down and anything like that. So if somebody wants to be done and they don't hold back, if like, if Greg Davies thinks something's fucking dumb or someone's done something stupid, he'll call them out on it. So it's great. Black Mirror season six, it was only a couple of episodes, but they were all great. I'm so far behind on Black Mirror.
01:55:00
Speaker
I've got a couple of episodes this season still in the kitty to watch. Um, the couple of, cause they're movie length this season. No, was that last season? No, only bag. Uh, and a snatch, and a snatch movies, movie length. I guess you're an adventure one. Yeah. No, there was no. Yeah. No. The episode, the, the episode where they're in the space station with the VR piloted people. It might be a little bit longer. That was a 90 minute episode. Yeah. They're not movie length.
01:55:30
Speaker
I'm sorry, I know it's 2023 and movie length has changed. It's traditional movie length, not fucking... Then not all that. Not Marvel movie length. That one had a bit more of a complex story. So you can watch a bad mirror episode before you could listen to our podcast. It's not movie length.
01:55:51
Speaker
That's the measure. Yeah. They were good. They were creative. And you know what? Not all of them were like... Sci-fi? Fucking dark. Yeah. Okay. A couple of the... I haven't seen those ones. There were no good endings so far for me. Well, no, I wouldn't say they got good endings, but they're not like dark, dark, like some of the early ones. I think I got up to season three.
01:56:10
Speaker
how far I got. I love them. As a Twilight Zone replacement, even though they did end up remaking Twilight Zone and it flopped, as a Twilight Zone replacement, it's excellent. Well, let me say there's only one episode out of the six where the entire human race dies, so they're not. Hey, they're doing well. My games were a full release of Cyberpunk and Phantom Liberty, which is just
01:56:40
Speaker
Goddamn spectacular. It's now, it's now, Sidepunk is now on my radar for this year to play. Yeah. And I've said that I'm going to play it too. It's absolutely not a flawless game. It still has bugs. There's still things that works that hit you throughout, but what they've done to get it to this level to where, like I really enjoyed my first play through, but I've gone back now and I'm absolutely blown away as to where I played it and enjoyed it to where it is now.
01:57:08
Speaker
Yeah, okay. And I'm quite thrilled about where it is. And Phantom Liberty is a great expansion. It gives you a whole new zone and it fully fleshes out why that zone in the city is now available to you. The characters, I'm not, I'm only probably a quarter of the way through the story. It fleshes out Johnny Silverhand more, which is Keanu Reeves character. We get
01:57:34
Speaker
Idris Alba's Solomon Reed character coming to it who's just a jaded old spy, a sleeper cell spy that gets brought up. He's playing himself. Yeah, and then more characters come in. One of the biggest criticisms I had about cyberware,
01:57:53
Speaker
and fully addressed in complete new system. You've got a level that you can, you can only upgrade cyberware to a certain level. You've got a bar when you go into the, the ripper docs, you can only upgrade it to a level which increases with your, your character level. So you can't tolerate more.
01:58:12
Speaker
cybernetics. Exactly. And more, more strain on your body as you go through. And one of the biggest things I don't know if you remember, I said, when you went to the ripper dock, it was just a menu. You selected the shit you want. You got out of the menu, walked out the door. There is now an animation. So you, you close, you change everything you want to in your, in the ripper dock. Uh, so the cybernetic guy, uh, in the menu and then you'll hit confirm it'll drop out of the menu. The screen will go black.
01:58:39
Speaker
and you'll hear that of the doc doing all the things. I changed my optics the other day and V, the character, they sit in the dentist chair, the doctor's chair. You get the animation of that character getting up out of the dentist chair afterwards. And I mean, that's as much as the animation is. I changed my optics when the character opened the eyes, everything was blurry and it took a second for the blink and everything to come back into focus.
01:59:05
Speaker
I'm getting mad minority report fucking vibes. Yeah. It's very, very similar. And it's, it, that then nailed that little thing of it actually means something now. Well, what I was going to ask you, cause the, the, the charge that you leveled at the game was that it didn't ultimately matter no matter how many cybernetics you got, or if you got none, it didn't actually change the way that you interacted with the world. It didn't change your effectiveness in the world. Has that been resolved?
01:59:37
Speaker
I still think you can go through. I could play Baldur's Gate 3 as a good character or a bad character. That's so it's not a flaw that you couldn't beat the game with no cybernetics. Keep that in mind for two seconds. I'll go back to that in a sec.
01:59:54
Speaker
Yes. I mean, you do need cybernetics for certain things, so you need to be able to scan. You have your basic quick hacks that can do things. I've actually lent a little bit more into the quick hacks this time because it's actually quite a fun subsystem in there. I don't play full netrunner, but I do use them to my advantage within combat and some situations.
02:00:15
Speaker
Is it the sense of like, it made it easier. Let's, let's use Skyrim that we've all played. It was easier if you invested a few things in say lock picking and sneak, but you wouldn't necessarily play a full stealth build.
02:00:27
Speaker
No, my question was more does it change your style of play to align to the direction you went with your cybernetic installation or is it all just vanilla and? No, it definitely does. So, Gorilla Arms give you a boost in strength, which means you pass. You actually get Gorilla Arms?
02:00:47
Speaker
The technique, the- Do you get full DK mode? No, no, no, you don't. I just finished the war for the planet of the Apes, because I've never seen it. It is all different, the aesthetics you get. So Gorilla Arms, it all goes, the cybernetics all cover your fingers and hands. Your mantis blades come out of your forearms, so your hands kind of detach, and these mantis blades come out. So you do get different visuals to them, not bolt Gorilla Arms, which would be funny.
02:01:15
Speaker
There is some characters, there's a, there's a gang in there called the animals that have like that focus on that, that style of gorilla arms and things like that. And they do physically look different. Um, which is, which is cool. Um, it does definitely change the way you play. So good. Because I'm thinking about like Deus Ex. Not as, not as much as Deus Ex. Yeah. That's, that's a shame. Cause that really should have been the basic bar to me or a cybernetic enhancement based.
02:01:43
Speaker
like game mechanic. Considering it's 20 fucking years old now. I think Deus Ex nails it. Oh, it does. It's a brilliant game. The thing like the Icarus drop, I used to love just jumping off the highest thing I could do to see that. That third person cut scene of him doing it. The Matrix 3D explosion thing that would come out of your elbows with all the rubber balls. That was fantastic. There's things like that don't exist. The mantis blades means you don't have to have a melee weapon in your weapon choice, so you can use
02:02:12
Speaker
or different sliver arms. Things like that. I go gorilla arms because I like the extra strength boost to rip doors open and things like that because I don't play the net run aside. So I can't hack computers to open doors and things like that.
02:02:28
Speaker
All the leg augmentations change your speed, you double jump, a charge jump. So that does change you in combat. You can do quicker dashes. It also changes. And definitely traversal. And your options to get in and out of buildings. It changes my stealth options because I don't play a stealth character.
02:02:47
Speaker
If i want to sneak into somewhere i can rip a door open getting the back door rather than sneaking through the front door things like that so it does to an extent but i still don't know i don't think as much as do sex it's more flavor rather than call yes.
02:03:03
Speaker
Where it outshines Deus Ex is the story content and everything happens and the world feels like it has people in it and there's stories in it that are happening. Well, that was one of your big complaints. I remember it was just the world felt so... Static. Static, yeah. And there were no characters on more than the ground level. That was the other complaint.
02:03:22
Speaker
Do you remember originally when we talked about it, you were talking about the buildings being a million stories high, but there's really only 20 people walking around the ground floor, and that was it? Yeah, I mean, that doesn't really change, but because the ground floor is more dynamic now, because they've put in car combat, so you'll have gangs and cops and that. You'll be driving along and there's just a fucking car chase and a shootout as you drive past, and like, I am not getting involved in that. I'm just going on. So it feels like a world now. OK.
02:03:51
Speaker
And the way they flesh out all the little jobs and all the little stories and everything means something that there's a huge backstory to it all. So yeah, that was for release of Cyberpunk, God of War Valhalla, Dead Space Remake.
02:04:10
Speaker
Uh, Jedi survivor and my honorable mention from five, six years ago, shadow of war. I only got to it this year, put it off for many, many years, but God damn, it was fun. Um, not a lot of, I mean, not, no surprises. Cause you've talked about a lot of the stuff, but also a lot of overlap with our lists from last episode. Um, yeah, so that's good.
02:04:38
Speaker
I need to pee. Yeah. We're going to take another break. So we'll be right back. What's this one? Oh, what's that one? You'll find out when it's in your bloody glass. And we're back the space for JJ.
02:05:04
Speaker
Actually, you guys keep saying space for JJ's. Welcome to the third half of the episode. I've got my notes here. Rebel Moon. And the first one is Cox. No, Cox were in Superman. No, Cox were in this too. Big ones and little ones. Okay. Some as big as your head. Just nothing's ever going to compare to the escape pods from the ships in Man of Steel.
02:05:32
Speaker
No. Those were cocks with balls. No, no, no, no, no, no. They weren't escape pods. They were the banishing phantom zone banishing things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he has a thing with big black cocks. That's what I said to you first time is the thing with big black cocks.
02:05:48
Speaker
And how? So we are drinking... Big black cocks. Uh, no, we are drinking from Hawkers. This is their Apple brandy barrel aged. You really can. Um, their Apple brandy barrel aged strong owl 2023. It's a nice mix up here. 10.5%. Um, yeah.
02:06:16
Speaker
Sure. Nothing on the back. I don't know how much of that's from the dark ale that we probably should have had a bit of a rinse, but there's lots of barrel there. The aroma of apples though, that just instantly. But you get a lot less apple flavor than you get aroma. I get a lot of buttery on the back palate. And a lot of caramel through it too.
02:06:45
Speaker
From a lactose perspective? No, diacetyl is usually butterscotch buttery, but it doesn't quite taste like diacetyl, but it could be just being suppressed by everything else. Why would that worry you? Diacetyl is a fault. It's a fermentation fault. Right.
02:07:08
Speaker
It really comes through and they're like the nasal passage afterwards. Like you kind of do that throat breathe out through your nose. When you finish your popcorn at the cinemas kind of afterwards. That's exactly how diacetyl is described is like fake popcorn, fake butter on popcorn. Not sure about that.
02:07:36
Speaker
It could be. I was hoping for more apples, I have to say. The smell got me excited and the flavor just. Yeah. When we initially cracked the can, it was, I thought someone like, I thought for an instant, it was like a little flavor release button in the, in the seam of like, it was, it's been really appley. Yeah. But. You do get that on the aroma. Definitely. Yeah. Stinging on the flavor.
02:08:00
Speaker
Hmm. Apples are really hard flavor because I mean, what is, what is, what is apple flavor? It's acid and water.
02:08:10
Speaker
Green apples, is it red apples? You think apple crumble typically when you think, which is green apples. Yeah, but when you think apple flavours in anything other than actual apples, you typically associate it with things like apple strudel, apple pie, those sorts of flavours. Oh, I don't know, because I think of how acidic like green apples are compared to how sweet and juicy red apples are. That was really green apple to me. It was, yes.
02:08:37
Speaker
Which I guess would probably work with Apple brandy, but hey. But I don't think it's bad. I just don't think it hit what I had hoped for. I don't think it's bad either. But that buttery, that buttery characters throwing me out here. I can't. I just think it's for the aroma than the flavor is lacking.
02:08:59
Speaker
Yes. I think it's a, it's yeah. I mean, everything that you, I mean, you read the can and that excites me. Apple, Apple brandy barrel age strong ale. That's, that's definitely right up my fucking alley. I wonder if it needed more barreling time. When was it, uh, when was the best before? Packed on. It's very fresh. It was packed on the fifth of the 12th.
02:09:26
Speaker
Yeah, I should have probably really just bought that. No, no, I would imagine that they've sell it up for at least a year. Oh, in barrel. Yeah. Yeah. But they do say at the end, enjoy now or sell it for any day. And they've got a QR code on the back of the can information and tips on selling. Yeah. So I probably should have sat on this for a year. I did not. Um, Hmm.
02:09:51
Speaker
It actually, as it's warming up, it's getting more popcorn-y. Maybe it's one of those things that just needed a bit of can conditioning to just sit there for a while. Hmm. Um, it's, it's, or maybe it's just the Apple brandy barrelling, interacting poorly with the, cause you get, you definitely get a strong ale base. Yeah. Like that's a familiar fuck right off. What's your, what's your glass Dan? Hello, Loki.
02:10:21
Speaker
Get out of here, God of stories. Oh, look, you have a black shirt on. Let me put my orange fur on it. Oof. Oof. Don't necessarily agree with it. Yes. Burry fight. Burry fight. It says a well-crafted beard does not spoil exclamation mark.
02:10:47
Speaker
False words, absolute false words. It will not go bad in the sense that it's going to hurt you in any way. Yes, I agree with that. But don't be afraid to try old beer.
02:10:57
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I do agree with that. Depending on the style. We did that on the podcast and it was really quite bad. I don't disagree with trying, albeit, so you know what to look for when something's old. Yes. Well, when you're selling something, because if you get a case of something to seller, it's one of those things that you should be trying a can every six to 12 months.
02:11:17
Speaker
Like if you, if you, if you got a case of 12, they got a case of 12 cans. You should like, maybe not the first year, but every year after that, you should be trying a can, I believe every six to 12 months. Cause when you start to test when it's ready, when it's, when it's gotten to that point where you can't go further. Yes. Yeah. You are a pain in the ass. Just, just the, just the, that first line, just the claws out your beard. Yeah.
02:11:47
Speaker
Anyway, my perfect Sunday. I mean, in the paragraph four, it says, all good beer is worth drinking young.
02:11:56
Speaker
They are making some bold, sweet and segmenty. Considering they stuck it in a fucking barrel for a year, that's bullshit. Well, it doesn't have to be a year. All good beer is worth drinking young, but to the contrary, what people may think, like wine, some beer styles do retain and grow in complexity. Yes, they do. Becoming more nuanced as age.
02:12:19
Speaker
The next one is what gets me, the well-crafted beer does not spoil. Yes, it fucking does. Like very quickly a well-crafted beer can spoil. So that is an absolute falsehood. Yeah. Anyway, there is some good information in there. That's from the QR code on the back of the, back of the. Okay. Well, I've got a cat that licks air if you scratch him in the right spot.
02:12:47
Speaker
And there is some very good information in there about white and actual celery of beer, temperatures, all that sort of stuff. So yes, there is some good information. And it does, halfway down the page, actually tell you the styles that you can sell off. None of that makes up for the three and a half out of five beer that I've got in my glass.
02:13:12
Speaker
I agree. I agree. It doesn't even sound on the Hawke's website now. It doesn't even tell you how long ago they actually brewed the base ale. And of the two strong ales that we've tried on this podcast, it's definitely, definitely lacking compared to the other one. Yeah. The one that made, that made Dan want to quit brewing. Oh, what was that? That was the, that was the golden ale. Yeah. Fuck me. That was a good beer. I was hoping for something to zoom along.
02:13:41
Speaker
Yeah, they just say this beer, this strong ale has slumbered long enough. I think someone might've been slumbering, but I'm not sure it was the beer. Um, you never know. I mean, it's not terrible. It's, it's not terrible. It's just, and it's hard to make those calls about whether it needed longer or less when you haven't tried the base. True. True. Um, I still get lots of caramel notes through the, through the base beer and those aren't unpleasant.
02:14:11
Speaker
Certainly regurgitates as apples, but that's good. Yeah. I don't know. For me, that beast stops being. Enjoyable. Unenjoyable. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't it have, wouldn't it have benefited from a strong apple flavor through it?
02:14:30
Speaker
Oh, just eat any more of an apple flavor through it. It doesn't have to be strong. Like I don't want a glass of apple juice, but I, you know, I, I did want, yeah, as you said, I wouldn't like some of that, that apple to come through and it's not. Yeah. Oh well. You win some, you lose some. Yep. Well, fuck any fuck bags, Mr. Space Badge. All right. So what do we give that? We agree 3.5. So I went for a 3.5 and I don't know how you guys rated it.
02:15:00
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I want to write it. Maybe I'll do a Dan. So Dan didn't write that because it was so obviously not what the brewer intended that. I don't remember what he'd be talking about. I was done file injected a few times synthetic oil base. Well then I will, I would go out. Yeah.
02:15:27
Speaker
It, for me, it finishes at the aroma, so I'd go three at best. Yeah, I'm in the three mark as well. So it's a 3.25.
Zack Snyder's 'Rebel Moon'
02:15:38
Speaker
Yeah, technically it's less than that, but sure. We'll do with 3.25. It's getting more buttery as it warms up. As Diastal does, yeah. Right, are we going to get onto the main topic that we've been alluding to for the whole episode? Yep, let's do it. Webble Moon.
02:15:57
Speaker
Yep. Zach Snyder's latest masterpiece. Mmm. Masterpiece is an interesting term.
02:16:04
Speaker
I, can we, can we start? It's a piece. Do you mind if we start with the format of release? Where do we start? Yeah, okay. Cause I really, I really struggle to understand the mentality behind, and it's not necessarily Snyder. You can't necessarily attribute it to his decision-making process, but to release, or to release a movie in two parts. Okay. It ran longer than you expected it to, Dennis Villanue. And we, we turned it into two movies instead of rushing it. I can respect that choice.
02:16:33
Speaker
But to release part one and then four months later release part two. Okay. I can deal with that. They filmed them. They, there was one filming schedule, not two. So he did a single 180 day shoot apparently or 160 days, whatever it was. I can't remember. Um, and so obviously they've split the post production to focus on the first film and then they do the second. So we, we get part two in April.
02:17:00
Speaker
Did it feel like a- so first question, did it feel like a three-act story for the first film? I think it came to enough of a resolution, but- But then kind of also- But not? Can we just go full spoilers here? Yeah, I think that's- I think we have to to really get into it. I think so too. No pussyfooting around this shit. I just thought the-
02:17:25
Speaker
I think the reason they've done the two-parter is because reading into like outside of the film, the universe he's trying to create.
02:17:34
Speaker
And he needs time for that. Like he needs time to, so they've, I've, I've seen, I saw a trailer. There's, there's like the animated stuff's coming out. There's comic books coming out, books coming out. There's games coming about, but why is it a universe? This is his, his magnum opus for better or worse. I didn't know that. So, so I can't make it worse. So yeah, it agreed. I honestly does. Yeah.
02:17:55
Speaker
So, so, sorry, just the short version. So he's releasing part, he's already released part one. Yep. Part two comes out in April. Um, part one director's cut are rated edition, which we know is at least 45 minutes longer comes out. Showing what? Uh, in July. Maybe some character development. Oh, I don't know. Some expose that is visual rather than. Apparently does redo the opening and features more of Anthony Hopkins bot.
02:18:24
Speaker
OK, because that was clearly missing so much context. It's it's it's him. From what I've read, it's meant to be him. Him's journey to be coming more wild. I just I just want to know if it's going to be Anthony Hopkins narrating the story about his past or if they're actually going to show it on screen. But it'll be narrated. So so so they're doing the the R rated director's cut, which which
02:18:49
Speaker
Zack Snyder claims was his original intention and to be honest, three years ago when we first talked about this or two years ago when we first talked about it, it was always going to be and we talked about it as the R rated Star Wars that he always wanted to do. Yeah. And then suddenly we got a fucking PG-13 release.
02:19:06
Speaker
So it's definitely Netflix coming in. I got the impression. The only reason we ever got a PG-13 cut was because Netflix wanted to attract a different audience. And then Zack Snyder said, but it's not what I set out to achieve. So now we're going to do the RA to direct this cut. Side by side, should have been a simultaneous relationship. I completely fucking agree.
02:19:23
Speaker
Why make us wait seven months to see the film the way that you intended us to see it? If that's the case. So, part one, four months later, part two, three months after that, part one R, three months after that, part two R. So, you have to wait almost a fucking year to see the film.
02:19:42
Speaker
I can't see what part one R is really gonna add to that. I'm gonna sit through an extra, how long would you say? 45 minutes worth of footage? That's a guesstimate, man. There's really not much talk about it. I honestly don't see what it's gonna add to it. But you gotta still sit through the other two hours of the footage to see that other 45 minutes of footage. Well, that's the thing. That's the thing. Hopefully they would do what they did when they released the first, the extended editions of All the Rings, and they told you which scenes were extended, so you could just skip scenes.
02:20:11
Speaker
OK, OK, so let's pause. Can we just pause for a second, just to humor me? You haven't seen the director's cut of Justice League you have. Yes. Did you think it contributed
02:20:27
Speaker
sufficiently to the overall movie to have bothered. It's. I think that's a bad way to phrase it. No, it's a bad comparison because two different directors. One was completely tainted by another director. Sorry. And studio interference.
02:20:47
Speaker
And the second one was apparently his original, the director's cut was apparently Snyder's original idea for it. Okay. But I understand that why you're you're separating the differences, but I still think the question's valid. Is adding a shitload more time to wait to Justice League? Did it make it a better film? Yes.
02:21:13
Speaker
So by that same logic, wouldn't it stand that there's a chance that the film that Rebel Moon will make more sense and be a better movie with more content? I still think that the massive factor in that is the second director coming in. I don't disagree. I'm not disagreeing with that point. I want to pull one movie back. Sure.
02:21:32
Speaker
BVS. Yep. I think the extended edition is a better movie than a theatrical edition. Yes. Because it adds. Totally great. Some very, some very, some very small elements to it. It added so much more context in those small elements. That's exactly it. I think it was only about 25 minutes more. It wasn't, it wasn't a huge amount more, but they were, they were strategically added. And then there was some other special effects, especially in the warehouse fight that were added to a thing. And that was a hundred percent snort.
02:22:04
Speaker
I think the extended edition is the better movie. And I'm one of those dickheads that actually likes BVS. I'm with you. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Other than the Martha scene, that's the only thing to let that film down. Exactly. That's where it lost it. I think that's the better comparison.
02:22:24
Speaker
By the way, but you say that and yet the directors cut of Justice League is the only way I will ever watch Justice League again. But it's almost a different movie. That's my point. But it's a different movie that I thought was worth watching. Whereas the original cut to me was just another Suicide Squad movie.
02:22:48
Speaker
I think we're far off track because they're different directors that Whedon re-filmed things in the way that him in the studio wanted to film it to be more Marvel-like. And Snyder added things that were his original filming. And the story went in different ways and the characters were developed and done a different way. The Affleck points in the Whedon, the extra things that were filmed in the Whedon theatrical car.
02:23:12
Speaker
Affleck didn't want to be there. He didn't want to do it. It was all phoned in. The Bruce Wayne character, the Batman character completely broke down in that original cut, but it's completely rebuilt. I don't think it's well rebuilt, but it's a completely rebuilt of that character in the Snyder Cut. So I think it's a bad comparison. What you're saying is... Is the film redeemable with the director's cut is really the base question.
02:23:35
Speaker
No, because I think you pull things like Blade Runner original theatrical cut. Yep. Completely.
02:23:43
Speaker
very different to the director's cut and the other four cuts that there are. The definitive edition that we should talk about later on to off screen. Quite, quite, quite different. The theatrical cut and the directors or the definitive cut of Blade Runner, both very good movies, quite different. One has a complete monologue voiceover by main character. The definitive cuts and the director's cuts completely take that out. Yes.
02:24:09
Speaker
very similar movies, some more added in the thing, but both very good based movies. If you've got a bad base, adding 25 minutes to a bad or 45 minutes or an hour to a bad base, isn't going to redeem that two hours of a bad base. I mean, I'm with you in the sense that like, I only watch the Lord of the Rings extended editions now. I won't watch the theatrical cut because I feel like they miss out too much. But again, a good base made better by more. Well, he'll only watch the Snyder cut now.
02:24:39
Speaker
of Justice League. Yeah, I guess I guess I'm and it's ironic because I'm pretty fucking cynical. I'm hoping I am hoping the director's cut sprinkles enough extra content that it makes the how bad the PG-13 release is makes sense. I can see why they had to cut that to make a PG-13, but I can also see why cutting it made it a horrible movie.
02:25:08
Speaker
I mean, I guess we'll find out in, we should definitely revisit it. We should, we all have to do it. One of the key issues that I had with the film was how much tell not show there was. The backstory for the mother world, the backstory for the main protagonist, the backstory. What's her name? I don't remember her name. I don't remember her name. Furiosa. I don't remember anybody's name in there. General Titus. Yeah, I would have said Zod, but sure. Titus? Was that his name? No. It's a little bit T.
02:25:37
Speaker
I don't think it was Titus. No, this is actually one of my things. I thought that Snyder's whole naming system was very fucking lazy because it all sounded like biblical. Yeah. The planet they went to with the Cthulhu Kithisto King.
02:25:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. The name of that planet was Leviticus, which is a massive biblical name. Like, yeah, but every other name I don't think that was accidental. No, no, no. No, but that's what I think. That's why I think it's a bit lazy.
02:26:11
Speaker
Kora is the main female protagonist. Titus was- Did I say Titus? You did, you know. I apologize. D-Mon Honsu's character. Yes. Yeah, perfect Kratos too, by the way. Atticus Noble was the main bad guy. Awesome, so fucking abused. Oh, he was. Yeah, yeah, massive. Fucking winded. That made me angry, actually. I'm so excited for Jomon Honsu to fucking tear people up. When I saw him in the street covered in the dirt and shit like that, I'm like-
02:26:35
Speaker
Fuck me, look at him, it's fucking Kratos. I'm fucking Beefcake too. Yeah, that's what I mean. He's always been. He's always been. He's been big, but he's bulked up considerably. Atticus was the main bad guy, Atticus Noble. Gunnar. You mean Francis?
02:26:55
Speaker
Nemesis, Darien, Kai, Kai was Charlie Hunman's character, which was just so poorly written. He was poorly. They had so much potential and that character has so much charisma on screen. And then I had to make him the fucking weasel traitor.
02:27:15
Speaker
Oh, I think, you know what? Do you know actually, I took from that was that's, you know, when you talk about like, uh, George Lucas's original cut for, um, I like where you're going in this. Cause I was kind of the same spot. Return of the Jedi when, when was return of the Jedi when he, Lando's fucking, no, Han just walks away. No, Han dies. And Luke just walks away. It was one of the two. That's where I thought that Snyder was trying to take Charlie Hundland's characters, be like, he would be the one to just walk away.
02:27:41
Speaker
And then as soon as he was like, we need to make a pit style, I was like, oh, for fucks sake. Yeah, I was exactly at that point too. And that was where I said, Louise, he's a fucking traitor. Like I'm fucking done. Like I was already three quarters checked out by that point. And now I'm like, fuck this shit. I got up and got a very strong beer and I was like, we're finishing it. And I was like, we are. I'm drinking through the rest of it. That's exactly the point I was at too. But they could have done so much more with him even being a traitor.
02:28:09
Speaker
Lando was a traitor, but it was a charismatic, interesting, complex, reason behind it. It wasn't just, eh, money. And a redeemable count, scoundrel. Yeah, exactly. Like, it was, there was depth to why he was betraying. Exactly. It wasn't just Cheeching motherfucker. When, when, when they turned around and they, um. Give him a dying fucking son or something they had to pay medical expenses for.
02:28:32
Speaker
Give him some reason to be chasing him. But I wanted, I wanted him to, as soon as I realised that he was making pits, okay, cool, he's the bad, he's the one who's going to betray them. I wanted him to, I liked that they killed him, but I wanted him to get away because I wanted to see him weasel his way back in. Yes, I completely agree. Because I think Charlie Harmon's the guy who's got the chops to do it. Oh, fuck yeah. I totally agree. I think that's, that's exactly where I'm coming to. Like I checked out at the same point as you did, but then his speech on why he did it.
02:29:00
Speaker
made me roll my eyes in the film. Yeah, it was. I don't remember it. It was two dimensional, but it was the way he delivered it. And it was because the actor had the chops to deliver that you kind of go, yeah, okay. But it was, it was, don't be on the wrong side of history was
02:29:18
Speaker
Literally what he said. But he delivered it in a way to the character, to Cora, in a way that I've kind of gone, you know what, he delivered that in a way that I don't like what they did and I don't like that that was the cheap way that they did it. But his
02:29:39
Speaker
charisma passed it for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got a hall pass. If it had been someone like, he rolled a D 20. What was this? Oh yeah. He rolled the 20. He drilled the quit for sure. Um, I just, there's so much wrong with the film. I don't know. I feel like just start from the beginning and go through. I made notes. I made notes. Let's roll on the notes. So my first note is vagina portal. I got, I got, I got cocks on that one. So we'll go with the cock and the vagina. Yeah.
02:30:07
Speaker
What was the cocks? The fucking big black fucking cock that came through the vagina in the... The shit. The shit. It had balls on the back of me. I didn't see that... That's generally where the balls go.
02:30:21
Speaker
And if it's not, folks, please see your doctors. Yeah. And so. It was, it was a single cylindrical ship that had a bulging bridge and it was glossy black and it had a bulging bridge on the back through a almost diamond shaped curve. It's worse than that. There was, there was lipids, it peels back in this and it's not symmetrical. He was up here.
02:30:46
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And it wasn't symmetrical, so it did play around at the bottom. And the mother world in the background of the portal. So, like, there was so much, like, genitalia, female anatomy. Troy's would have a field day with him. But all we need is an oral and an anal fixation for the fucking quadfecta. But it's ironic because he was asked about it.
02:31:07
Speaker
He was asked to comment on it in a funny interview. It's probably a screen rant interview or something like that and they've said they've asked him about that and he and he has claimed there was no intention for the portal to look like a vagina and that it will all make sense. It's shaped like that for a very specific reason that will make sense in part two and it's like,
02:31:29
Speaker
because the planet's actually a mother and it birthed that ship. What a fucking joke. At least Guillermo del Toro when he made Blade 2 and he came out and he said, I like vaginas. That's why all the openings look like vaginas because I like vaginas. It's like, own it. Like if you're going to do something that fucking blatant, like just go, yeah, you know what? You got me? I was childish. I did it. Fuck.
02:31:58
Speaker
Yeah, make it an idiosyncrasy, not an idiotic choice. Yeah. So, cock number two with the blue balls was the little alien in the bar. The little weenie cock with the eye in the end. It even had a fucking eye in the end. The one that had the tentacles into the dude? Yeah. Yeah. It was a little tiny cock with a big boob ball sack.
02:32:18
Speaker
I mean, I believe you. I didn't pick up on that. I didn't pay that much attention. It was so blatant. I don't know how you fucking didn't say it. I wasn't looking for genitalia in this film. Nor was I, but it was there. I don't know. I think I passed out several points during this film, just like my brain shut down. That whole fight scene with Cora in that gay bar just like went way past believable for me. The worst thing about the fight scenes for me was the slow-mo, look, the slow-mo felt video game-y.
02:32:47
Speaker
I can deal with Zack Snyder's slow mo. No, no, let me finish because it was it was when he does it, he when he uses it well, it's good. Yes. He used it poorly in this film. It was used in the wrong wrong points. I agree with that. But I still think there were still scenes in it for me. So so my first need a thousand shots of her flaring out that cloak and grabbing the pistol and then slowly bring it up. It's like that should be in real time.
02:33:14
Speaker
What I needed was to demonstrate how quick she was, not how fucking slow it was. What I really needed was when she took, when Cora took a dive and shooting, that's when I won the slow-mo. The slow-mo was just used in the wrong fucking points. And to go one fight before that, the hand-to-hand fight, because the slow-mo was in the barn, because the slow-mo was used so much in that, it actually threw out
02:33:41
Speaker
The dynamism of the scene and the background characters too because it was slow you got it felt like they're all standing around. And then there was the point where she blocked the two guys at the one time and it just really.
02:33:58
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It just, you've got these two muscle bound morons coming in on this small female. If they'd done that in real speed and used her wide movements, you would have gone quick block, roll, get up, hit high. You were saying like flip around one of their legs and shoot a guy while she stabs himself. And it would have felt way more realistic because the way that it was portrayed was.
02:34:22
Speaker
Wait. Also, that general, the Kiwi general of that army. South African. Oh, South African? I think they were all South African. Oh, they might have been, can't believe. But as if he'd wait that long for all his men to be absolutely fucking tortured without killing the girl he was about to rape.
02:34:41
Speaker
at least shoot her in the leg to go fucking stop and take off a take off a toe or two yeah yeah um yeah i just i the other i just found it completely unrealistic that that whole sequence in the barn was unrealistic for kora the well-trained general to be superhuman
02:35:00
Speaker
It didn't link well-trained to superhuman enough for me to believe that she was superhuman. And yet she did shit that she should, she had no well-right to help. And look, as much as we shit on Marley, it didn't feel like Black Widow in the early appearances of Black Widow. It was like, you're not superhuman, but you're fucking well-trained.
02:35:18
Speaker
She was well trained past the point of breaking her psychology down and she had psychosis as a result. And that's what made that believable because she was a flawed. She, she paid the price for that super humanity. Yes. Yes. Cora was just, I went to fucking, I went to officer's school and my daddy sent me to college and my daddy sent me to college.
02:35:39
Speaker
And they lent, as the Black Widow is a great example, is they lent too much into the strength, brute side rather than the light, speed, skill side. And the Barn Fight was the perfect example because it was the big hand-to-hand one. And yet there's something about the, so look, for me, and I just want to say this, the film was not unredeemable for me. There were parts of the film that I enjoyed. There were
02:36:05
Speaker
The overall, I have to give mad props to probably the sum of, it's not the only original content we saw in 23, but it's out there. He did take risks. No, it is not original fucking content. It is the seven samurai butchered. That is one of the more blatant ripoffs I've ever watched.
02:36:25
Speaker
Yes. And you could say this, you could also say that it stole from Star Wars and it stole from never ending story and it stole from a range of content in the same way that all of those underlying movies stole from their content. Oh yeah, no, I'm not saying that they didn't, but I'm just saying this one felt, for something that was meant to be original content, it felt less, it really felt so much less original to me. It felt, not even homaging, it felt, it felt thieving. It felt thieving.
02:36:54
Speaker
I disagree. OK, that's fine. For me, I did not walk away from that thinking that was cool original content compared to some of the other stuff we saw, like thinking about the creator. Sure. So going on that point, the creator, I thought for the sci-fi world that it was in, I thought the character designs were cool.
02:37:15
Speaker
I liked. Was it sci-fi? Was it Weston? Was it fantasy? I didn't know where it wanted to stand. No, you. I think because of all those different planets, they came from the farm planet. So the Viking planet. Yeah. The Viking planet. So the main, the main weak ass dude and Cora were dressed like farmers. You got the Prince guy that was incredibly ripped for being chained up and just working as a blacksmith for quite so long and incredibly clean and well groomed, I do have to say.
02:37:42
Speaker
you've got the scoundrel. I'm with Tom on this topic though because it. It was Viking Village until they got to the city which was only a horse right away and then it was very Western. Asian. It was Asian Western though. Like it felt like fucking Mandalorian season one in the shootout with IG. I actually thought it was no it was well it was visions.
02:38:07
Speaker
The first episode of Visions? Yeah, that was the village when I walked into it. So my creator point was all of the weapons felt like Nerf guns. Interesting you say that. I wrote it down as Warhammer 40k bolt pistols because they felt oversized, like almost comically oversized. From what I've learnt in the last couple of years about weathering weapons and things like that,
02:38:36
Speaker
because it's shot in high def and slo-mo, you can see where they've painted weathering on. Like it's too much. And then you go to the creator that has earthbound weapons that were designed off real weapons and they'd look like they were made from metal and wood. You go back to the Star Wars era where they had- They were literally made from metal and wood. They were literally World War II. It was just put together. And they had weight and look and proper
02:39:03
Speaker
bangs and dings and weathering. Yeah, she could fling that massive heavy pistol ground far too much. Yeah, it was too bright and fascinating. It would have literally broken her wrist. I'll show you later on a shot of, so a screen grab of her pistol and a screen grab of an Artificer grade bolt pistol from the Walmart 40K universe and you will not be able to tell the difference.
02:39:27
Speaker
It was a hundred percent ripped. Um, I will say with the slo-mo, so the, the, the overall in super slo-mo, the overall thing that I wrote down was it's 300 meets Chronicles of Riddick. And that's not necessarily a good thing. I really like Chronicles of Riddick and 300. So do I. They should, they're separate. But yeah, but, but there was, there were elements of slo-mo that reminded me very positively of 300.
02:39:56
Speaker
Some of the slow-mo sequences in 300 always reminded me of it's a dynamic painting that you would put on the side of an urn. And there were sequences in this, particularly ironically it was a dumb sequence, but when he jams the spear into the dude in the gunner's seat,
02:40:16
Speaker
That was an, and it pans right out. So you see the dude with the fucking spear coming down. I know it was a cheap fucking shot, but you can tell where he draw inspiration from. It was a hundred percent 300. Yeah. Cause the jump was the same. It was a Leonardo's fucking launch. No, the thing that actually really pissed me off about that was why was the gunner in control of the flight of. Yeah.
02:40:43
Speaker
It's the same controls that he was angling the gun with. That was the thing that got me about that. I agree. Same thing. I was like, oh, 300. Yeah, you can see. Yeah. Okay. Snyder's directing this. That's 300 to a T, but then it was just like, hang on.
02:41:01
Speaker
Gunners don't fly the ships. What the fuck's this guy doing? So two things I had on Francis were the baddies were laughable. Yes, they were two-dimensional cutouts. Comical. And his sexual octopus. The deep. That was theft from Dune. To me, that was the fucking spice, the Gilda in the
02:41:31
Speaker
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I can say where you're getting that. And the dumbest fucking line in the whole, this is going to be a big call. It's, it's, it's what my sugar baby. I had to rewind it because I've just the ways we did not Louise was sitting there with me and I've just gone and gave yourself more, more hurt. I'm like, what?
02:41:55
Speaker
Fuck. He, like when they're all at the very end of the movie where before the big crescendo fight and they're all in the cage. The chairs. The chairs. Yeah. The anatomical chair things. And he's walking around talking to each one. He gets to general Titus and goes, general Titus, a man that needs no introduction. And now I'm going to introduce him.
02:42:18
Speaker
that your skills at the battle of such and such speak for their own. Motherfucker, you literally just introduced him. You introduced him and then said, you don't need to be introduced. And then you continued on with the introduction.
02:42:32
Speaker
To me, to me, that wasn't the worst part of that sequence. Very good. The worst part of that sequence was him then getting to Korra and having a long monologue about her backstory, literally the scene after we got the 15 minute expose of her backstory. It was so much repetition, but it was back to back. We got the whole, oh, you have to fall in love with the fucking someone else in your class and then he died and then she fucking
02:43:00
Speaker
Yeah, we got the whole- That sent her off. She didn't leave it anymore. The whole horrible expose that was voice over the whole fucking time that didn't need fucking Fred Savage's narration. It was the slo-mo of her jumping on the- Oh, in between the fucking cover stroke. On the log to jump off and then start firing. It's like, no. That's not how that works. And then fire and then go do. Watch one more film ever. You don't even need to watch actual footage. Just watch a war film. Yeah. Anyway.
02:43:29
Speaker
They finished that whole backstory sequence of horrible tell don't show and then he repeats half of it in front of her. Like, who wrote that? It was terribly written. The 12 year old Zack Snyder that saw Star Wars. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he wrote that when he was 12. Same with such and such blood acts.
02:43:53
Speaker
What kind of a name is that in fucking 2024 fantasy movies? Like that's something that comes out of the 80s. Yeah. It's like... It's actually the name of a, of a Warhammer 40k Orc squadron. Yeah. Fucking definitely for an Orc squadron. Yeah, definitely. That suits the blood axes. It doesn't suit such and such Ray Fisher blood axe, does it?
02:44:14
Speaker
Yeah, anyway. I can't remember why I wrote this, but I wrote this down anyway. Armor design of the Imperium crossed between the Knight and the Roman? I also thought the quality of the armor was fantastic. Yep. Yep. Plastic. Fantastic. It didn't need all the filigree on it. They tried to make it. Also, who were those witch dudes? The Inquisitors. Yeah.
02:44:40
Speaker
that hung around with him. I know they'll be explained in some other part of this fucking universe he's creating, but I want to go find it. They were there because they won't be able to make the unity for the Mother Box, just to sleep. They got pulled out of Darkseid's side. It's very similar words in the last episode when we're talking about Rebel Moon. The fucking Mother Box. Yeah, you did. And Darkseid. No, but I think we're making more vagina jokes than the same.
02:45:08
Speaker
You never have too many vagina jokes. Yeah, I just thought the story was just, look, I get it's the first story of what he wants to create. And I guess that's another point. I think he tried to jam too much into it, frankly. Definitely. But I also think the other thing to remember is if you actually looked at what he wants to create, he wants this to be the first of a trilogy of sequels. They wants to make six films.
02:45:31
Speaker
or six films after these two. The wording of the article was a bit off. I couldn't tell if it was eight films altogether or six, but this was a slow forming of a D&D party. Like it was the most basic slow forming. But it was horribly done too. Why did we need the Griffin sequence?
02:45:51
Speaker
Oh, cause it was utterly pointless. He'd gone on the Griffin. He flew around with the Griffin. He, I think he needed to make a Harry Potter homage kicked off the Griffin. He jumped on the Griffin. He landed. And that's the end of the Griffin. We did. And it didn't even come on the ship. I thought it ended up in the cargo hold. You need a pet in your party. Why did you take the Griffin with you? So you guys haven't watched foundation season two, but it was like,
02:46:17
Speaker
Foundation season two they put the griffin in the storage hold it became a pet and the pet came out and fucking murdered some motherfuckers at the end
02:46:25
Speaker
That would have been a cooler ending for that guy. But why make us watch 15 minutes of him spiritually connecting with an animal? Where you're animatingly swinging that hand. Just articulating angrily. Why make us sit through 15 minutes of that spiritual connection to not have the animal coming in? It was pretty fucking tropey too, that whole thing of having the shirtless, for lack of a better word, native.
02:46:50
Speaker
Control the animal it was like oh come on dude like that that is an 80s trope. And he was a slave too let's not forget. Did any of you think it looked like Matthew McConaughey in blackface? I can see it. I can see it yeah. You know what's weird is- I had to keep stopping and looking I'm like
02:47:09
Speaker
I see him look up the actor. All right, all right. Something in virgin blood to make himself look younger and just get a really good tan or what? He is whiter in real life and he has short hair and he looks nothing like the character. Oh, really? He's ripped his shit. Gotta give him credit for that. Oh, yeah. Damn.
02:47:25
Speaker
Yeah. Well, no, I actually think that was CGI enhanced in the same way that 300 was. You could see him standing, like, especially in that final area, you could, the camera, they obviously said action and he's gone. You could visibly see the stomach tense at one point. You watch any of the, you watch fucking, what's his name from Wolverine? So I've had enough alcohol now to shut my brain down. Hugh Jackman. You watch any of those, um, uh,
02:47:54
Speaker
Hemsworth, Chris Hemsworth, watch any of those Jack actors talk about their sequences and their workout routines and all that sort of stuff. They all get a pump just before they go on shot, which is what that would have been. Well, that's the famous thing of the Wolverine poster where Hugh Jackman's has been holding briefcases for cement. Yes. And then he drops them, but he's muscled. Yeah.
02:48:16
Speaker
But they will literally do light weights, like two kilos, five kilos, and they'll do 100 pumps just before they go on set for the shoot. So yeah, that would have just been, eh, fucking tense. He was ripped a fuck, but he was ripped a fucking a completely different way than the other actors too. Yeah. There were so many, and that's the thing. Cause that's the thing I remember looking at. Cause I looked up all the actors in it afterwards. Cause obviously I recognized Ed Screen who played the, the Nazi bad guy. Um,
02:48:44
Speaker
Yeah, and that did really take the- That was also again- That took the Stormtroopers Nazi themes to a whole new, okay, we're not silly. We got it. We knew the theme was there. You didn't need to actually have the swastika fucking flag in the background. In the haircut and the uniform. Yeah. Ed Screen and then Farmer Boy were the same character in Game of Thrones. They were the-
02:49:10
Speaker
They were, they were, they were Daenerys' love interests. Ed's green, got replaced by the farmer boy guy.
02:49:18
Speaker
Oh, they were literally the same characters. Oh, okay. So in later seasons, cause I was like, I know you. And it was another one of those cuts where, um, they didn't, they didn't mention it. There was no reference to it. They just literally changed out the actors and hope no one noticed. Cause I did the same thing with Drogo when, um, uh, what's his name like from Aquaman. Yeah. And then, uh, Staz Nair, who's the guy who played Griffin taming the Prince. Um, he was Carl Drogo.
02:49:47
Speaker
Well, yeah, he was a Dothraki. He was the bodyguard in the later seasons of Daenerys. So everything is related to Amelia Clark. But he's now playing Karl Drogo because to me that character was absolutely Drogo from Game of Thrones. He's the big bad native guy.
02:50:04
Speaker
And then you've got to talk to how much expose. There's an actual name for that. It's not the educated, the actual film trope from like back in the days. I think it's coming from that, but this guy wasn't exactly playing that trope, but he was, it was a thing on that. It was like the.
02:50:25
Speaker
He was the wildling, but he was the royal royal blooded. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was a play on the, on that trope. And that was one of the only twists that they didn't hang such a big fucking lampshade on and made a big deal out of it. Hey, everybody. Just wanted to let you know that he was actually a prince. Oh, you know, it's going to come back though in part two.
02:50:45
Speaker
But it was the only only thing only content drop that they didn't make a massive deal out of it was mentioned when he did when what's his name did the monologue when they're all in the chairs and that's the first and only reference to him being of royal blood.
02:51:01
Speaker
There was no fight in the coliseum bit, was there? No, there wasn't, but I was waiting for it. Yeah, but it just got completely brushed over. They found him in the street, he had a shower, had a shave, ended up on the ship. Shit, shave, shower. All she needed to do was just ask him three times and then he was coming over. Shit, shave, shower and I'm back in it. It's that Maccas bog. Yeah.
02:51:25
Speaker
But the Expos, the storytelling was horrendous. The. You were so much more negative on it than I thought you were going to be.
02:51:34
Speaker
Look, I think it's because you you were you were one of the more excited people. You stood on it. I did stew on it. And yes, I was. I feel like you've been really you've been personally hurt by Zack Snyder in this. I was looking forward to it. Yeah, but I think Pete was more excited than we were. I was I was certainly invested in new content that wasn't DC Universe or Marvel Universe. Two weeks beforehand, I was
02:51:58
Speaker
really hunting down the release date and then constantly looking for it to come on. Like I, I wanted it. I actually think the last, and this is, this goes back to your point about not watching any of the trailers, the last trailer I saw of it, I went, Oh. Yeah. See, I didn't watch that first. Okay. All right. Oh, I'm not excited by this anymore.
02:52:18
Speaker
I don't know what it was. I like her too. I like the... Bora. Whatever her name is. I think they did her dirty, frankly. Yeah, so do I. I think they completely did her dirty. She's a far better actor. Sophia Batella. Yeah, she's a far better actor. She was so much better in Kingsman.
02:52:35
Speaker
And and all the other little bits and pieces she's ever been in. Yeah. She's she has a real badass too. She has real charisma and she can really hold her own. Yeah. In on on a screen and I think she had moments of that. But she had but she has she it's not just acting chops in terms of drama. She's also she she holds her own in terms of action with a bunch of really big beefcake dudes on screen too.
02:53:02
Speaker
I think she did a really good job. Which I think is really important. And that goes back to she deserved better action sequences or choreography than she was given.
02:53:11
Speaker
Yeah, and it goes back to that live word that you used before. She has a feminine action hero aura around her. She's not masculine. He's going to head by the microphone. He nods much harder. Yes. And I think that was the only time that really came into play was the platform fight at the end. Oh, you mean the end of GoldenEye? The end of GoldenEye, yeah.
02:53:33
Speaker
So they were, she was in and out of those bars. And while he was trying to, he was trying to do more haymaker hits on her and she would swing under and he was using the stick and she broke the stick and everything. And then there was one point where they've, I don't know if- For England James? They had one arm free each and she hits him in the face and he kind of goes, oh yeah, okay. And then fucking smashes her and she goes back. And that was the only point that they really, and he wasn't, he's not a big dude either.
02:54:03
Speaker
But not in comparison to the soldiers that were in the barn earlier, like that weren't barely making a scratch on her. I think that was much better in the way they work together. Also the fake death of him at the end.
02:54:21
Speaker
Yep. Was audible shit. Yeah. It was transparent. It was fucking pointless. Like, and it was such a waste of time to even have considered building that. And then you get to the end and she goes, oh yeah, well they've lost an admiral. So the protocol says they'll go back to homeworld and this and that. It's like,
02:54:39
Speaker
No, there are still people that knew that you were from this village. They're going to fly that fucking dreadnought to that planet and bomb that fucking place into oblivion. They don't need the grain that badly.
02:54:54
Speaker
I'm sorry. What the fuck was that? And this is probably one of the worst parts for me for the whole movie is the core premise for the whole movie makes no fucking sense. You do not fly a thousand soldiers on an interstellar ship and not have enough food to feed the troops so that you have to land on bum fuck nowhere land and ask for their grain.
02:55:19
Speaker
There is something fundamentally wrong with that whole core plot. I would imagine that you would not even be sending a Dreadnought. You wouldn't be sending a Star Destroyer in Star Wars. To look for the bad people. You'd be sending... The Rebels. You'd be sending... No, but they weren't even at that stage they weren't looking for. If they were coming for grain and a little bit of information. No, they weren't. Look, they didn't come for grain. They didn't land in the galaxy for grain. Sorry, in the solar system. They were looking for the blood act people.
02:55:48
Speaker
Well then you probably would send a dread a star destroyer because you would be show force. If the first act after landing in the solar system is to send your troops to.
02:55:58
Speaker
fucking Broken Hill to buy grain. Yeah, you don't. You send them to Sydney. You send them to that space port. Exactly. Where you've clearly got goons in there because you've got the... Yeah, all the spies. The Klingon bounty hunters down there. So much wrong. The Orc bounty hunters. Orc bounty hunters. Yeah, that's a better example. The Orc bounty hunters down there. Orc mercenaries. What makes me angry is it came so close to being a fucking really good film. Yes. It had all of the right elements. It had the right
02:56:29
Speaker
I think it had the right actors. It had the right cast. It didn't do a terrible job of things like set design.
02:56:40
Speaker
That CGI, yeah, throw that down. Yeah, some of the CGI was a bit different. That CGI of coming to Kit Fisto Cthulhu world was fucking awful. That was horrible. Only a few minutes beforehand, because Louise only got home probably about 30 minutes before that, and she's asked what I was watching, and I'm like, Rebel Moon, explain the backstory of the movie to her, not the story of the movie, the Zack Snyder picture of Star Wars.
02:57:07
Speaker
And I said look it's been really hit and miss in the CGI territory, some of it's been pretty good, some of it's been not so good and then that scene comes I'm like see this is a not so good bit and yeah it was pretty sure. And the other core part of the plot for me that failed was the whole Jesus child.
02:57:27
Speaker
Being dead. We all fucking know that she's not dead. Oh, the princess. It's- I had to think about that for a second. Jesus Charles. She brings the fucking dead back to life. Come on. But she's a Jesus Charles. But you needed to be told that Pete. Well, you've already had enough physical names in the fucking planets and Kings. So, you know, this.
02:57:47
Speaker
There's no, in my opinion, and just on to directly address that, because I disagree that that was the inspiration for the series, but at the same time, I've seen some really, really good narrative content that was loosely based on parts of the Bible that I don't think would have been a good enough story if it hadn't been. So Divinity Original Sin 2 was a heavily drawing upon the Garden of Eden story.
02:58:16
Speaker
Um, I remember it makes sense cause the name is divinity original sin. Oh yeah. That's not the linkage. That's not the link. But when you say that's the story from it, you tell me that name. I'm like, yeah, a regular, a regular person. Sorry, Tom. Um, so I'm okay with, but I'm okay with drawing inspiration from the Bible. And I actually think he probably would have made a better film. How do you draw on more passions of the crisis? Great. I've never seen it. Oh fuck me. That's good.
02:58:46
Speaker
I intend to, we should talk about this piece. No, but I was also bastardized by the Catholic Church for years and occasions. Bastardized is probably not the right word to use. No, it's the right word. It's Catholic Church. We should talk about this piece. I missed that, but I don't think it should be repeated. I don't think it should either.
02:59:09
Speaker
Uh, what are we drinking, Tom? Oh, just before we get this, I forgot to go back, touch on one point. We will continue talking about space vag. Yeah, no. So at one point that I had, uh, about my play through of cyberpunk, one thing I've learned about myself is I have mild psychopathic tendencies when it comes to video games like this because I know we knew.
02:59:29
Speaker
You could, you can take people down non-lethally. And even when you're in a gunfight, if you hit them where it reduces their hit points to like 1%, they fall over and they'll be like the Batman Arkham guys where they're on the ground. And I'll just walk up and I'll just execute them. Every, every time nobody gets out alive with me.
02:59:47
Speaker
So I did the same thing. That's just practicality. So there were a couple of sequences in BG3. So in Baldur's Gate 3, there's a toggle switch for non-lethal attacks. You have to be careful with it because there's a couple of times where it's important from a storytelling perspective not to kill a character for reasons. The reasons vary. And you have to be careful because spells will still kill even if you tell it not to kill. It has to be a melee physical attack.
03:00:14
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You have to punch them or kick them or whatever. So if your crossbow dude has the toggle on, it don't matter. You're still going to kill it. So I found the same thing. If there was a narrative reason to knock them out or, and I forgot to untoggle it, and then later on knocked out someone I intended to kill, I executed them while they're unconscious. 100%. I mean, I've just been playing Doom lately, so I'm killing everything inside. Ripping eyeballs out and shoving them down throats. Silent Night.
03:00:44
Speaker
The other thing I found, I don't know if you guys noticed this, there was some really, really fucking weird angled shots.
03:00:51
Speaker
in Rebel Moon? I know what movie you're talking about. You gave me a very confused look. No, I'm confused cause I can't picture any. No, no, where it was like, think like a really bad nineties shot where it was like, it looked like they've just taken the shot and used the iPhone editing or your camera editor to move the camera. Like you pull the horizontal plane. Oh, like bullet time kind of. No, no, it's, it's like, it's, you've got a photo, it's a flat plane and you pull it on an angle.
03:01:21
Speaker
That's stylistic for him, though, because if you look at 300, he did that a lot. Oh, I need to go back and watch 300 then because it really didn't fucking work in this. It's almost like he took a photo and then split it into layers. But he was looking up at characters and they were looking down and then suddenly it just the whole my whole TV screen tilted. Yes.
03:01:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And he like the angle of the shot felt tilted. I know what you're talking about. And he did the same thing in 300. It's a stylistic choice. Okay, shit. It's almost like he took a photograph and took each layer of background and split it. And then you can retilt the angle that you're shooting. Yeah, but it felt so it looks so distorted.
03:02:00
Speaker
Yeah. Can we just give Zach, Zach Schneider credit for one of the most badass movie, a badass moves ever committed to film. And it's 300 when he just does the standstill and just bashes that dude with a shield. One of the most badass fucking moves ever.
03:02:16
Speaker
I want to bring, let's go, I actually would like to focus on Zack Snyder now because I really liked Ben's- We should just take a pause to review this beer before we run out. Sorry to- Yeah, no, no, no. I've got it in, it's in my head. I was looking at this artwork and I'm like- It's delicious, I like it. God damn, it looks like 30 days of night. And then I read the blurb on the back of it and it's actually quite sinister.
03:02:55
Speaker
An unnatural hush lies over the narrow streets. No smoke rises from any chimneys, no lights in the windows. The peculiar, hollow-dyed locals you encounter peer at you with suspicion. They speak in riddles, genuinely gesturing ominously for you to depart before melting in the shadows between buildings. As daylight fades, an unnatural chill permeates the icy air, and a terrifying transformation unfolds.
03:03:05
Speaker
I'll give that to you because I've got to pay.
03:03:19
Speaker
Anyway, that's the back of the can. This Imperial Stout was aged in bourbon barrels for 12 months. It was then conditioned on vanilla beans and toasted almonds. This resulted in thick chocolate bourbon and almond notes laced with vanilla or an oak. And that is 100% what I was gonna say. We don't even have to review the beer.
03:03:39
Speaker
That is one of the best descriptions for a beer that Deeds has put out in a long time. It is toasted almonds and vanilla with a really rich chocolate base. It's dangerous for, what is it? 12.7%. You could happily have a full of gloves.
03:03:59
Speaker
Well, I reckon you get through one can. Well, you'd probably pass out after. It's 4.5 standard drinks per can, but I could have one of those cans over watching a movie that isn't Rebel Moon. 300 maybe? We watched 300, 100%. Yeah. That's an excellent fucking beauty. But that is one of the best descriptions that Deeds has done. It's 12%. Yeah.
03:04:24
Speaker
Does not taste like it. It's quite sweet. It is very sweet. I'd put that in like eight or nine. Just decadent chocolate. But you do get the coconut. The coconut. Sorry, vanilla. Right at the end. Brain. Yep. Hello, Brain. All that coconut. Put some lime in the coconut and share it all around. Yeah, no, that's really, really good. Labelling shit. So we won't even focus on that. There's a bubble. There's a bubble.
03:04:55
Speaker
bubble. Um, I'm prepared to give that a very high score. Yeah. Like a five, four and a half. Yeah. I'm four and a half. Okay. So I just think it's a bit too sweet, but you probably, I do get a little burn, a little alcohol burn, but any less sweetness, you'd get a lot more of that burn. Yeah. It's hard to, it's hard to balance that, but you got to give this 12.7%. Yeah, exactly. Drink fresh. Would you drink that fresh? No.
03:05:21
Speaker
You could let that sit for a while. A while? A mile? You could let it sit for a while. Yeah. I don't know if drink fresh is like, I know that's deed. One of deeds is like. It's probably a standard can item. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's one of the things I put on there with the government health warning and don't drink while pregnant and pregnancy warnings on there. Operating heavy machinery and all the other stuff they've got to put on there.
03:05:43
Speaker
One of those things I recently discovered, I probably should have known years ago, that operating with heavy machinery, because I give blood quite often, and operating heavy machinery refers to driving your car. And I often drive my car away from... It technically is meant to be like... Yes. Yeah. I'm pretty sure one and a half tons counts as heavy.
03:06:02
Speaker
Ah man, my fiesta I don't think is one and a half tons. But yeah, no, I often give blood and then drive home and I'm like, I don't think I should be doing that technically, but hey, fuck the rules. Anyway, Zack Snyder. Ben's point that Zack did everything for this, everything, it's a loose term, but he wrote, directed, produced.
03:06:24
Speaker
I think, and I said this, is that his ego coming into play? And does he need someone else in there to correct him? Cause he did wrong. Like he went wrong. And is it, it's, it's just too much for one man. Like,
03:06:42
Speaker
And also, we think back to his, like, we just- I think you're only saying that because it was a bad movie, because- But no, no, I'm going back to- Actually, this is a second point. Sorry, I should have said there's a two-parter. So, and the second point of that is we were just, like, the three of us just happily were like, I would rewatch 300. Yep. When he's adapting something.
03:07:00
Speaker
He's genius. I think of 300, I think of Watchmen. We talked about BVS. I still haven't seen Justice League, like the Snyder car, but the way you guys talk about it, it's something I, if I have four hours, I'll watch it. Like it's just, you know, but is it the thing where it's like, cause that's him not essentially writing the story from scratch. Is that the part that lets him down? Well, he adapts.
03:07:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I can see what you mean by adapt because Batman as a character was handed to him and I go back to watchman. Yeah. Okay. But the Snyder verse was his original. What's your opinion on watchman?
03:07:39
Speaker
I think it's, I think it's good in the sense that I really enjoyed it for the fact that it was so faithful to the original source material. Because I like it. Yeah. I enjoyed it. But I also love 300. I have the 300 comic. I enjoyed it in the same way I enjoyed Sin City. It was its own thing and it did it really well. Yeah. But I don't have to watch it every year, per se.
03:08:02
Speaker
No. Um, what was I going to say? Whether or not he had to do everything was kind of, that was the point. George Lucas, George Lucas did everything in the original. No, but Ben's point, Ben, and this goes back, this goes back to Ben's point. In Star Wars. No, in, in- He directed the first film. Yeah, but Empire Strikes Back. And wrote it. No, in Empire Strikes Back, he handed off
03:08:27
Speaker
a lot of the responsibilities, but he absolutely directed the first film, you hope. So I was going back to Ben's comment, which I really resonated with, where he said, I really like George Lucas as a story creator, but when he handed off directing duties to someone else. It was a better story. It was a better movie. Yeah.
03:08:49
Speaker
And I think that's the thing with Snyder. He fucking directed it. He's checking. And I'm fairly certain he produced the second and third. But no, he have a new hope. Yes. Yeah. No, but that's what I'm talking about is like.
03:09:04
Speaker
Let Snyder direct, cause Snyder's director and like- I think he wants to be a storyteller more than he wants to be a director, frankly. But I don't know that he should do both. I think it's what you're saying. But the evidence might be showing that he's not that good at that. Yeah. Okay. So we directed a New Hope, but not Empire or Return of the Jedi. Yes. Yeah. But all of the prequels. But that's the thing. I think this is- When did Kathleen Kennedy start getting him coffee?
03:09:30
Speaker
because that's where that started, right? Revenge of the citizenship. Somewhere around there. It was. I'm agreeing with you. We're talking about Snyder. Let's go back to that though. But I think that's the thing is like, if you give Snyder
03:09:46
Speaker
A really well crafted story because i think i think i know he wants to be a storyteller but i know people who want to be a singer and they can't sing. Yeah no i'm yeah yeah i hear you yeah it's just like he's a very good director he's a very good fucking cat just knock him off very good like he's obviously i about say very good producer i don't think that takes.
03:10:06
Speaker
as much effort as I am. I'm pretty sure that's just poor money in the top of the market. No, that's executive producer. Yeah. Compared to director though, like when he's behind the camera, his eye is there and you can tell when his eye is there and it's really- He has his own style as a director, which is the whole slow-mo thing. But I think it comes back to- I think it's overdone. I think that's where the producer comes in. Like the producer, if he wasn't producer, a producer would go, hey man, too much slow-mo. We'll back a little bit. This scene doesn't need that.
03:10:36
Speaker
Yeah, I have a thing to say about slotting only to be it but yeah, but I think that's that's the real question here for this would this Yeah in the in that order of being a better film well in that alternate universe will we have benefited from him not like sure he wrote the story when he was 12 and saw Star Wars but like Getting another writer in to go and I'm just gonna have a look over it make some edits and and whether or not his ego comes into it to go No, no, no, it's my thing. Let me do it and like
03:11:02
Speaker
We always end up so meta in these conversations because this is no longer a discussion about Rebel Moon as a film. It's a discussion about Rebel Moon as an exemplification of some of the issues with Zack Snyder and then Zack Snyder as a study on broader Hollywood themes. No, I think it comes to this. No, I'm talking more about the fact that he wants to create this whole universe around it.
03:11:25
Speaker
It's not a complaint, by the way, but it's like, that's where I'm focusing more on, like, if he's having this much control over. I think he's suffering from that. I think he's suffering from that everything has to be a fucking universe now. Oh, yeah. He can't just tell a story. Yeah. And it used to be that you told a story that was sufficiently good.
03:11:43
Speaker
and interesting that people said, tell us more. And you told them more and people said, tell us a lot more. And then people started writing novels about it and you end up with a Star Wars universe because George Lucas set out to tell a story about a fucking kid. Yeah. He didn't set out to tell a trilogy. He had a hero's journey in mind and that was it. Yeah. And yeah.
03:12:05
Speaker
Which is and that's another conversation I want to say for a spotlight is about like bringing certain like bringing directors in for franchises and and how often that derails a franchise. Yep. And and it's a good we've got plenty of examples. And it's actually it's an interesting I think you could intertwine that with what they've recently said around Disney's TV series that they're going to go to episodic content with a showrunner and a broader arc. It's going to be an infinitely told
03:12:32
Speaker
episodic content kind of style. Yeah. So it's not flaky. What I don't understand, and this will actually, you know what, that's a nice end cap to the conversation. So what else do we have to say around Rebel Moon? I've run out of content other than I've had higher hopes for it than it delivered. So I had enormous issues with the slime. We've mentioned it several times in this conversation. It was way too much.
03:12:59
Speaker
It was way, way too much. Wrong points. And to go slow-mo, super slow-mo, slow-mo, regular speed, slow-mo, super slow-mo, like that battle where Korra was on the planet dodging between video game cover, ridiculous. Someone's playing Time Crisis 2. Exactly. It was so poorly used. And I mean, we're fucking armchair filmmakers. I understand this. I think Zack Snyder.
03:13:30
Speaker
No, I don't think that's a fair statement. And you are self-effacing too often around topics like that because you've made a few other comments and then pulled them back. Yeah, but we're not out there making Hollywood films. No, but he had- I can comment on people's beers that are made because I make beer every day. No, but you can sit back and look at a piece of film that has been shot and say, well, it would be better if you did that and that and that. And you know what that job is that I just described? A fucking director's job!
03:13:55
Speaker
Yeah. Look at the film that you captured and critically fucking review it. No, no, no, no. Actually on that though, we're doing it in hindsight though. But yeah. But the way that filmmaking is made these days. I understand that. Your film thing, you watch it back, you redo it, you watch it back. Well, this is where I come into is Snyder too involved in every side of it. Cause he doesn't have an impartial view on it. Yes. So my comment on his slow-mo is he's overused it in
03:14:23
Speaker
projects past Man of Steel. You think of Man of Steel, he used very little slow-mo, if any, from memory, and the Kryptonians that move fast
03:14:37
Speaker
didn't move in slow-mo. He was one of the first people that took a person that moves at speed and moves at speed. And so they would disappear from one point and reappear another. It gave gravity to their ability to move that quickly. That's exactly it. And it was used as a film, a storytelling visual element to show these creatures are well past the people that they're fighting.
03:15:02
Speaker
compared to Michael Vaughan's slo-mo in first-class and future X-Men films where it's, well, this is a musical break. Quicksilver. Quicksilver, so the musical breaks. So that was a very stylised choice for that stage. And that Man of Steel came out at that same time. And Snyder could have easily have gone.
03:15:21
Speaker
Look at what he's doing. I'm going to do the same thing because I love slow mo. I'm going to do that. But he's not. He's made a very conscious decision to go. These Kryptonians are well and truly I need to show their superiority over the humans that they're. It was a storytelling vehicle. Yeah. And going up against because the Kryptonians weren't even going up against these humans because they just swatted them like fucking flies. They didn't consider them.
03:15:44
Speaker
Okay, so do you think that there's a chance that this, the overuse of slow-mo is as a result of a feedback loop between Hollywood reporters and Snyder. And so Hollywood reporters start reporting that Zack Snyder's style as a director is to use well-developed slow motion sequences and Zack Snyder starts, his ego starts feeding into that. Oh, that is my style. It could well be. I'll start using it more.
03:16:13
Speaker
And we just end up in this feedback loop where it ends up well overdone. Because in 300 he uses a lot of slo-mo, but that was never felt out of place. It was poignant. But it was also pioneering. It was because he used... It wasn't us, Loki. We didn't do it. We didn't do it. Don't wipe it off me, you bastard. It's your dad. Your dad's a dick. Sorry. It usually makes him run away.
03:16:39
Speaker
And yes, I, I, I. There's a chance. It could well be. Yeah. Yeah. I, look, the one thing that I will say is at least to me, he tried something different. He bucked the trend and walked away from a lot of, well, maybe he walked away, maybe he just didn't get the gigs, but at least he's doing con, he's producing content that is, that is not in the universes that we're stuck with at the moment in Hollywood.
03:17:07
Speaker
No, but he is. Because Star Wars is a ripoff of Seven Samurai and so is this. And it's a ripoff of Star Wars in many ways. But they're not actively making any of that. No, I, yeah, I just don't think it's as, it's- I'm not saying it's a hundred percent original. No, no, no, no, I know that. It's just like, I think if we were just talking about like in terms of the 300 and Slo-mo and what the pioneering style that Zack Snyder can have, I don't think he's done that here. I think he's really rested on his laurels.
03:17:38
Speaker
I think he, yeah, I don't disagree with that, but I'm at least prepared to give him props for doing something different, doing something by himself without massive backing behind him. Like there's dollars behind him, but it's not, it's not Disney sized dollars. It's not. Oh yeah, it is. It's Netflix dollars. It's $188 million.
03:18:01
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. But the last film that just flopped at the box office was $300 million. Yeah. I'm not saying that he's broke. I'm not saying it's a fucking shoestring budget or an indie film. But he sold this universe to Netflix to develop. Because let's think, you think about that. He wants to bring out novels for it and that's sure. Maybe that'll develop the story somehow. I didn't know Netflix owned a book company. Maybe they're looking to buy one. They're going to find someone to produce that with. And then, yeah, maybe.
03:18:32
Speaker
Comics, let's be honest, comics will probably go through Dark Horse. But then the whole thing about that, he wants to create this massive RPG. Does this not remind you of Riddick? No, no, but the massive RPG he wants released through Netflix games.
03:18:48
Speaker
That's the deal. The deal is to release it through Netflix games. Also, if you've looked at Netflix games, they're just mobile trash. I've never looked at Netflix games. I didn't know they had a games division. And also Chronicle of Riddick's Escape from Butcher Bay was fucking fantastic. It was good. I played that game from start to finish. My point is, does it not remind you of the Riddick universe where it started off as a couple of really interesting, good, different films? One movie.
03:19:15
Speaker
Pitch black. Pitch black. It's just fucking fantastic by itself. It was meant to be a standalone movie. And then all of a sudden for like a decade. And then all of a sudden they've gone, you know what? Fuck film Australia.
03:19:26
Speaker
could be a pretty good anti-hero going forward. But the second film to me was not as different. Like it was really good as a second film, but it was good for a very different reason than Pitch Black was. Pitch Black was unassuming, new story, small story, interesting story. The second film was a universe.
03:19:49
Speaker
Yeah, but it was well built and it was well told. Great. Yeah. And then it turned into Dribble. And it's not. And then it became about family. After Chronicles of Riddick, it became a power fantasy. Yeah. Yeah. And it was, and it was a bad one. And yet they had Carl Urban, so that gets a point from me. No, it was number two. Wasn't he in the third two? Didn't he feature in the third?
03:20:15
Speaker
Oh, briefly right at the very beginning with a story flashback. Yeah. Um, Katie Sakhoff was, isn't the third one. Dave Batista. Yeah. Batista was the third was Riddick. That was the one was meant to be more of a harken back to the original and they didn't, they didn't quite make it. The big way.
03:20:36
Speaker
And that was where they brought in the Furiosa storyline. That
Rebel Moon's Cinematic Legacy
03:20:40
Speaker
was the second one. The Necrom- No, that was the second one was the Necromongers. And the third one was the- Furions. They went back to- No, but he was the last of the Furion and that was the whole- The old lady and he walks out and she disappears. Judi Dench. Yeah. And Judi Dench, she was an elemental. That was the second one. The third one is just him being hunted on a planet by two groups of mercs.
03:21:03
Speaker
That's all it is. What am I thinking? There is nothing more going on in that movie than him taking out- What was the one with the fucking pyramid ships flying around? Was there a fourth film? No, that was Chronicles of Riddick. That was the Necromongers. Necromongers. Right. Necromongers? Necromongers, yes. Because Munda is 40K. Munda is 40K, yeah. Yeah. Oh shit, we got to stop because that's going to stop filming in like three minutes. But we're clearly stuck on which title in the Riddick series that we watched.
03:21:34
Speaker
How did we end up in this hole? I think the 12.5% has kicked in. Yeah. Um, do you want to take a quick break and then we can close out the episode? Yes. Welcome to the fourth half. It's a game of three halves. Uh, so are we done with rebel moon? Oh, I mean, as a concept, yes. Very much done. I don't know. Are we going to watch the second one?
03:21:57
Speaker
I think I'll need to. I'm a hundred percent going to watch the second one. Oh, rag on it all day long and still fucking enjoy it. I think that's the thing. We'll need to watch it to make sure that we still hate it. We'll also that we, we were right. Like the way we've come to today was like, yeah, yeah, we, we called it. You know, it's bad storytelling. I'm an absolute glutton for punishment because we know.
03:22:21
Speaker
Hang out with me. No, I don't think you will. No, I don't think you will, but I think that glimmer of hope that you're talking about, I'm holding for the R rated version. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. That's why I asked the question I did right at the very beginning of the segment is. Was.
03:22:37
Speaker
His other director cuts sufficiently different to redeem a horrible movie the first time around. And I know there are differences, but I'm fucking hoping that there's like another hour and a half of content, another whole movie worth of content that will make part one.
03:22:53
Speaker
Not a shit film. Well, I guess then the question comes down to if that hour and a half worth of content comes in, fixes the film, could that have been cut into the original one that you didn't need it? Well, then, sure, but then you blame the fucking editor or you blame Netflix for demanding a PG-13 film in the first place. Or you blame them for setting a deadline. But he's the editor of Zack Snyder because he's doing fucking everything, so. Yeah.
03:23:14
Speaker
Yeah, and I think it's such a contrast against the creator. Yeah, I totally agree. You have to put them side by side, not for- They're the two big sci-fi films towards the back half of the 23rd. Because of Gareth Edwards has done a Star Wars. Rebel Moon was pitched as a Star Wars. I mean, there's undoubtedly
03:23:36
Speaker
grounds for comparison. Yes. And which was by you put those down those talk about the the lightsaber wielding ninja nemesis. Yeah. Yeah. No. And the complete direct. Oh, a shit name like and the direct rip of the spider chick from fucking Dr. Who. Yeah. Yeah.
03:23:57
Speaker
Which was, has been ripped in another film since, I just can't remember the film. Oh, but she looked like, she also looked like the ball queen from- Yes, yeah, she very much did. Yeah, that was the job.
03:24:09
Speaker
My creator comment gone completely. You got it. You've got to compare the two because one was a good, a great movie with flaws and one was a bad movie. Was a flawed movie with some elements that might redeem it at some point. Was a flawed movie with some good bits. Yeah. With some potential. With some potential. Yeah. So, and then the spider queen, like I thought the, the story behind. The best thing is about this, as we go into different things, I can see the look in Dan's eyes. He goes,
03:24:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that was a scene that I watched. I'd forgotten. But you said it now and I remember it. But no, I think what you're about to say is that, well, maybe, maybe you're not. But I think they could have spent more time on that planet. I think they could have spent more time on all of the planets. Gee, the spider lady had more character development in the 10 minutes she was on than most of the main core group. Yeah. I think they should have stopped finding characters.
03:25:07
Speaker
potentially Griffin Mann, maybe Nemesis. Talk, talk, talk, the Prince, Prince talk, let's say Prince talk. Yeah, the Prince, shirtless man or lightsaber lady.
03:25:22
Speaker
I think they should have left the idea of finding the general to part two. And given him more screen time. Considering after they got the band back together, they didn't do anything with the band anyway. That was the end of the fucking movie. Yeah. They went back to the fucking village. That's all they did. Yeah.
03:25:39
Speaker
Okay. So we're definitely not finished with rebel moon. The, the, the, the, the final fight when, um, Ray Fisher blood acts is running up the side of the platform to run up. He doesn't look like he's running to go. He's running past soldiers that are to his left. That could have just gone. Yep.
03:25:58
Speaker
There is no way he runs like past eight of them or something like that. I should go back and count because there's a fucking ridiculous man. They're all firing this way. Yes. Okay. Battle gunshots are coming from that way. You're going to be focused there, but all of them are not that focused awareness of your fucking battleground. I've played any sort of first person.
03:26:19
Speaker
There's something out of the corner of my eye. I could be, I'm behind cover. So I'm going to point and go to that. Yeah. Yeah. And he runs past him and it's in slow mo once again, if it was in real time and he was just running past these guys, it would have been too fast for us to go like, yeah, look, there's some boxes there. There's some crates. Like maybe it just looked like I actually completely agree. The slow mo actually was a detriment at that point. I actually think if you added.
03:26:46
Speaker
Let's say 20 minutes 15 to 20 minutes of content to every major. Every major scene in that film so every major planet in that film right up until the end scene you would end up with a good movie but the the final battle that whole planet.
03:27:05
Speaker
Was just unredeemably bad. There's no amount of content. There's no amount of content. There's no amount of content. I think if you added 15 minutes to, um, old mate farming, it probably wouldn't have added much to the film.
03:27:24
Speaker
Not being able to use a plow. You could have used it with Anthony Hopkins. Why pay for the fucking actor to be in it five seconds? Which is the funny thing because that is said it's definitely stated by Snyder that is part of the director. Because he's clearly gone feral. He's gone wild. He's got a native. Well, but he's gone back to I have recomputed the universe.
03:27:44
Speaker
Based on love from that random, young, innocent chick that reminds me way too much of the actress from Home and Away that escaped into Hollywood. I can't remember her name. I'll look it up.
03:27:55
Speaker
It was a- You're on your own with that one. Yeah, okay. You'll figure it out. You've got a cyclopedic memory. Is it like all the numbers and all the Gallipinakis things called that already said? Computing all that shit? It's more like foundation. Carry the one. Foundation sequences of numbers, sure. So much maths. I've no idea what you're fucking talking about.
03:28:19
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, he's clearly, he's recomputed the universe and reoriented, um, his default settings to start protecting the fucking village and protects the, um, I hope that it's not him protecting the village and it's just him going ape shit.
03:28:39
Speaker
They're all strung up, like, missing the bottom half in test of day. Yeah, and they're like... You know that final sequence where he pops up with the fucking antlers? Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. It reminds me so much of the DLC, the Irish DLC to Assassin's Creed. Yeah, the Druids. It's like the sequence is almost identical where he just pops up out of the reeds with these fucking antlers on. Yeah, well, it's... Yeah, the director's cut is meant to focus more on that robot going wild.
03:29:06
Speaker
Yeah, okay. That's definitely one of the parts they've added. Because it was clear that there was intent behind the racial or the racist interplay or the species, I guess, interplay where everyone's taking the piss out of the robot. It was clear that there was more to that than you saw. Which is definitely why they made them South African.
03:29:30
Speaker
No, that's good. Yeah. It's good fucking district nine. District nine. Oh, Chappy as well. Yeah. Chappy's the robot. Yeah. So yeah, no, that's, that's definitely meant to be part of the director's cut. But yes. Who did we say would want to take over Mad Max would be him. Gareth Edwards. No, no, no. What's the name from fucking district nine. 100%.
03:29:52
Speaker
South African dude. Yeah. Blonkamp. Yeah. Blonkamp. A hundred percent. Give him Mad Max. Yep. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Cause he'd have some weird band wrapping in the middle of it for no reason. Oh, that's only in Cappy. That's not in the others. Everybody gets a cantina. It's only because of, I want to call him Ninja. Is that his name? That was his name, wasn't it? Yeah. They're very prominent in South Africa. Yes. In Dungeberg. Yeah.
03:30:20
Speaker
But Elysium, District 9, there's none of that stuff. No, definitely. Neil Blomkamp. Mad Max. Ex-Mad Max. Take over from George Miller. 100% right there. You can creep up very quietly towards the camp and steal the fuel.
03:30:35
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Yeah, but I reckon the South Africans would get the Aussie side of it. Well, that too, but I reckon that's an interplay there. I think South African humans are very different to Aussie humans. Not humor, I'm not talking about. He still needs a consult. Yeah, we definitely need a consult.
03:30:58
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Cool. Rebel Moon. We're not done. The plasma splash from the shots. Loved it.
03:31:08
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Yes. Yeah. On the plasma, plasma bolts from the gun shots. Oh yeah. The splash that would happen once the plasma hit. Yeah. I thought it was an expand. I thought it was a nice touch. Yeah. Really, really nice touch. You did a couple of a visual element that had a little bit of storytelling, but didn't need to be told. Couple of solar flares in there too. Have you noticed when I shoot my gun, I guess recoil. The plasma fans out and cools.
03:31:36
Speaker
Like any other shot. When, when, when I was just a child, I was taken away from my family. It was the fucking Gamora story retold. I'm sorry. It's that whole sequence reminded me so much of Gamora. Oh yeah. It was too. Yeah. Um, and then the big guys gave it a fucking nostril god by Cthulhu. And now I'm a god. They had to explain the whole astral thing. Grape. You can't say that online anymore. Really? Yeah. No, you can't.
03:32:06
Speaker
Um, uh, I lost my train of thought now. Sorry. The Astral Plane thing at the end, apparently had to, had to, like, I just- The problem with you saying that is I, I think Astral Plane in D&D terms, and then I immediately think it's a Zack Snyder film. So Astral Plane's probably an aeroplane of some kind. Cause that guy takes everything way too literally sometimes. But it, I think it was, it was meant to be one of the writers explains it as like,
03:32:33
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that was connecting to an astral plane. I thought it was just like a digital matrix. No, it was, it was point to point communication. That's all it was. It was a phone call, but that's not, it was FaceTime. It was FaceTime in 3D, but that's not how they meant it to be. The writer actually did a- Oh no, I thought it was astral plane. Oh yes. They both go to the dream world and have a conversation. He was basically dead when they sent Ed screen there. That's why I thought it was astral plane.
03:33:00
Speaker
No, no, no. That's interesting. I just thought they skull fucked Matrix him and then chuck him into a 3D phone call. No, because they were talking about just before that, how dead he is and how he won't survive the trip. And that's when I was like, oh, this is an astral plane sequence. No, I felt that they were plugging his consciousness into a virtual reality phone call. Which is astral plane, if you want to break it down.
03:33:27
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We land there I guess but yeah I mean they were both clearly I never took it that the big big bad was actually standing on that ice like I never took that to be a reality sequence I took that to be this is the VR world that this phone call is happening in. Yeah I guess you're yeah you're my astral plane. Yeah I guess in that sense it's kind of the same thing. Yes because he suddenly had a lightning pain.
03:33:54
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Yeah. Yeah. I think it was made to be, it was meant to be the world between worlds, that kind of thing. It was meant to be this. To me that whole sequence felt very June again.
03:34:03
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't a straight, straight, you know, order 66 phone call hologram. It was, it was definitely more, there was more to it. So yeah, whether it's a matrix world or it's an astral plane, but yeah, I always took it as that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm whatever terms you want to use for it. Yeah. I guess we, yeah, we all kind of got it. I guess.
03:34:25
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Yeah. Cause just because Ed screen then came, his character came back and was like alive again. Yeah. Like the whole shock of sending him back was like, nah, fuck it. Go. Yeah. I want to hold shock of peeling the skin up from the back of your fucking skull, the stick, the spike because he was peeling off to put octopus. Yeah. I just think so the shot of him getting his teeth knocked out.
03:34:53
Speaker
Oh, and he spat them out in the digital teeth. The digital teeth. On the goldmine platform, when she gets control of his rod and then she smacks him. And then his teeth fly out. Oh, okay. I don't remember that. Well, this is important because I wonder if they'll actually. Having come back with no teeth. With missing a whole bunch of teeth. Like they looked like they weren't just back molars. They were the front two incisors. Yeah.
03:35:16
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You better have a massive gap. All gold teeth. A fucking grill. He's just going to wear a grill.
Video Game Nostalgia
03:35:23
Speaker
Stock and two smoking. Yeah. A hundred percent. He will be metal teeth. Yeah. Rancis. We need to move the fucking name. Dan, we haven't asked you for a little while. Are you winning, son?
03:35:38
Speaker
Oh shit. Are we still doing that? Um, I thought we were, I thought we were pulling the most important part of the podcast. I think I've gone, played mine to death. Cyberpunk. Yep. Okay. And of Liberty. It's going to be very short sequence. God of war Valhalla and, um, shadow of war. And, and I know I went about it before and Tom's chatted with me at no end about this. God damn shadow was good.
03:36:00
Speaker
It is just such an enjoyable game just to get in and just fucking kill some orcs. Well done everyone.
03:36:16
Speaker
And it's, and like, I love the caliber in ball character. I've said that before Talion, I can take or leave, but he's a nice juxtaposition against, um, uh, caliber in balls. And I was thinking, I was mowing the lawn this morning and I was thinking about this because I knew it had come up and I'm like, caliber in ball is very much, uh, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And, uh, Talion is very needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.
03:36:41
Speaker
So he wants to save everyone, every single little person in Calabrian. Because he watched his family get slaughtered. Whereas Calabrian was like, I try to save the race. I see the bigger picture. I'm trying to save Middle Earth. Yeah. As like, we cannot let Sauron keep going with this. I think canonically he was only really all that interested in saving the elves.
03:37:04
Speaker
Yeah, but this is far different caliber. And I just, I think everything about that game is so everything that I loved about Arkham Knight and the Arkham series because it uses the same free flow combat is scaled up when you come to using swords and broken daggers and taking out an ork at the end and it goes into
03:37:29
Speaker
all the time slo-mo and you chop a leg off and the leg goes there. They've still got the other one, but then the black blood sprays out that way. And it's just like, it's just something so satisfying. And, uh, it's, it's just, it's for, for a game that is probably never going to get continued. Um, I, I really. It's a shame because they, they patented a really good system, but I don't see it being used. Who's the developer? Warner brothers, Montreal.
03:37:57
Speaker
Warner Brothers, the game development company, I've never heard of them. Yeah. They did Batman origins, Arkham origins. Okay. And the both, both were they. I thought they would be a distributor, but not a developer. Mad Max were part of, but they were. Monolith. Monolith. Monolith. Okay. Develop by Monolith, published by Warner Brothers.
03:38:20
Speaker
Yeah, okay. The reason I ask is because I could easily see that game system being integrated into way other games. No, they've copyrighted it. Yeah, no, but Monolith own the rights. Do they or who knows? No, Monolith aren't. So, so Warner Brothers are putting it into that Wonder Woman game that's apparently coming out. It had so much potential to be prepared. But Monolith was acquired by Warner Brothers Interactive.
03:38:50
Speaker
in 2004, but then they released Shadow of War and Shadow of War. And then in 2021, they announced they're developing a video game starring one, and nothing's coming. I mean, I don't think that's gonna come to fruition now. I don't think there's any reason, there's no, okay. But that's me. I mean, other than my psychopathic tendencies in Cyberpunk. I really wanna play Cyberpunk, but I think it's after Valhalla.
03:39:20
Speaker
Yeah. And if I need a pallet cleanser, I've got Spider-Man, Miles Morales, and Spider-Man 2. Yeah. I mean, and Cyberpunk is such a time sink too, and it is far more of a time sink now with the 2.0. Than it was before. Yeah. Than it was before. I'm still resisting the temptation to play another playthrough of BG3, but I think I'm going to wait for you and then we can play it.
03:39:43
Speaker
No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. But I'll play it on PC when you're ready for a second playthrough. It's just so much hilarity just waiting to happen. I just think the way that they've restructured Cyberpunk is they
03:40:03
Speaker
So you have fixes that give you jobs, uh, your Merck jobs, just your little bits and pieces to earn money. You side, but they're not even side quests. They're like side quests to side quests. Right. Their jobs are supposed to cycle. They're literally called jobs. Yeah. And you get them from, uh, fixes and my play through now, I haven't even had contact with like two of the fixes in the city and I've played some of their missions previously in my thing. So I don't know whether I need to go further in the main story or they did.
03:40:33
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know what I've done. Wouldn't it be cool if they were dead and that you got another fix later on? Maybe I've done something that has not activated them. No, most of the time with games like that, it's you need to activate a certain story. But one of them he's called because I played the Street Kid backstory. So you get three choices. You get Nomad, Street Kid or Corpo, the backstories. And I played Street Kid and Padre is one of the fixes.
03:41:00
Speaker
And you meet him during the intro of the street kid because he's one of the ones that brought you up in your time in Night City as a- I think I've played that mission in the trial. And you get in his car and you go for a drive? Yeah, so I played through Padre, so I know Padre is still alive in this world. In a game world, he wouldn't have started giving you jobs yet.
03:41:20
Speaker
Yeah, but in my original play he did. So they've, they've restructured where things are coming and being added through. So instead of, I think it's you need to progress more. Yeah. I think so. I think instead of a content dump straight up and you, cause you were when I first played a broken experience, like if you got to access this guy before you like in terms of not in terms of that, cause I played that story mission in the five hour trial I got to play, but then using him as a fixer later on, if that's more linked to a story mission.
03:41:49
Speaker
If you got to access that earlier in the story than you should have, that might be part of the precursor, the beta test. One of the things that they did ease up on was because all these people call you. And then one of the things they eased up on was you were constantly getting calls. You talked about that. Yeah. So you couldn't just run off and do something because you were always getting a fucking phone call about doing this, that. My day was. Or GTA online.
03:42:15
Speaker
Yeah. So it's, it's just, they've, they've, they've just really dialed that back in some way. So, um, yeah, I'm really loving just existing in Night City. That's cool. Who's winning next? Peter, are you winning son? No, I haven't turned the PlayStation on. Oh dear.
03:42:33
Speaker
I haven't, haven't turned it on and, and Starfield keeps getting smashed. I've got no interest in playing that again. I was about to say, yeah, do you have a plan? Is there, is there a forecast for, for your go for that? I'll play God of War Valhalla and then I'll, I'll probably play Cyberpunk. Yeah, cool.
03:42:50
Speaker
I might actually borrow Mirage then as well, if you're not going to play it soon. Go for it. Yeah, sweet. So, do you, when you're doing winning next, do you have any 24 upcoming releases that you're interested in? We talked about Last App and I don't remember. There were a couple, but not many. We agreed on most of them as well. Oh, miles away from memory. So, one coming out in February for me is that Banishes Ghosts of Eden.
03:43:16
Speaker
Is that actually still coming out in Feb? It's what they slated it for in December. Yeah, we watched that trailer. Yeah, it looks super cool. He's got the Scottish dude and his dead wife is the ghost and then- And it's like set in the south. Suddenly there's a Scottish man there in a kilt. Yeah, in his part kilt because he's wearing pants under it. Yeah.
03:43:35
Speaker
Um, I don't know. I think that looks super interesting to me. It's like, it's a new IP. It could be something really cool. Third person action. Didn't make my list. Didn't hit my radar, to be honest. Well, we talked about it. It was a trailer release. Yeah. And then in December, they had a February late Feb mid mid late Feb release. Did you talk about it on the podcast? It was definitely, I don't remember the Spanish's ghost of Eden. Yep.
03:44:02
Speaker
Okay, oh, yeah, okay, that's ringing a bell from the replacement for E3. Yeah, it was the Summer Games first. Yeah, yeah, that was yeah, middle of the year. Yeah. No, didn't make my list. The only games I said that I was waiting out for was Warhammer 40K Space Marine 2. Oh, Space Marine 2. Star Wars Outlaws. Yep. That won't come this year. Rise of the Ronin.
03:44:24
Speaker
Yeah, Rise of the Ronin, yeah. Oh, I'm- Wukong. Wukong. Monkey magic. Yeah. Yeah. God of War, monkey. Yeah. Pacific Rise. Souls, monkey. Yeah, well, Souls, monkey. Yeah. Let's remember that that and Rise of Ronin will be Souls-like. Which is the only thing putting me off Rise of Ronin and getting it on day one, because I need to see some gameplay first. Yeah. Because unless it's Fallen Order or Survivor style Souls,
03:44:53
Speaker
I'm not ready. I'm not ready. Mentally, physically, emotionally, full size. Yeah. I'm not ready for that. That's me on lies of P. Yeah. Yeah. Tom.
03:45:04
Speaker
You winning, sir? I am, I am. I'm very happy to have finally platinumed the infamous one. That's, that feels good. That feels good, man. And it was really good to go back and play that story. Like I, obviously it's been so long. I'd forgotten it. Colmograph. Yeah. The whole Kessler thing, time travel, electricity powers. It's, it's just a really good fun game. It's a really cleverly built like city world to play around in. So that was fun to go back to that.
03:45:33
Speaker
Do maternal I've just got I started today I've just got my extra lives playthrough to go through and I did both DLC I did all the DLC. Yeah I did the DLC in terms of just the regular playthrough and then the the limited lives playthrough fucking smashed it. So that's been cool I found some then and this is this is actually was really nice so I found some guys.
03:45:56
Speaker
I put up on her forum. I was like, Hey, look, I want to, I want to do the multiplayer trophies. Does anyone want to do it? And we really had to like sync time. So I was playing with a guy in Luxembourg and a guy in Texas.
03:46:06
Speaker
so that we could do it. And then three different, very different time zones. For Luxembourg, it was like 10 PM when we signed on, but Texas, it was 3 PM for me. It was 8 AM. So I was like, hey guys, like, warning. I haven't had a coffee yet, but sure. Let's play some Doom Eternal, put that music in my ears and let's go. And we did it and it was like really smooth. It was just three guys who were just like, look,
03:46:32
Speaker
We know this multiplayer is broken, but we need to play this because we've done everything else we need to do for this game. It's really unfair that we can't get that platinum trophy without finishing this ultimately broken multiplayer.
03:46:45
Speaker
Go back to Doom 2016, which I've talked to you guys about. I would jump back into the multiplayer today. Cause it was classic death match. It didn't matter on your skill level. You could be the shittest person at Doom, but you could still jump in and somehow you get a kill. And you'd be like, you know what? I'll keep it this. I'll keep it this. And cause it was just, it was just classic, uh,
03:47:09
Speaker
Like, um, deathmatch multiplayer, first person shooter. It was, it was, you'd never needed to fix it. And I don't know why Bethesda and IDsoft works to win. Hey, let's do this two on one hunter scenario that was fashionable back in the day. Like, yeah.
03:47:25
Speaker
So, no, I've just got that to do. And then, yeah, I don't know. There's a few games lined up. I would really want to play Plague Tale, which was, which was a part of PS Plus. I'll take Mirage. I'll probably smash through that. Like, you know, I said to you on our last thing that I was kind of feeling an ACQ. Yeah. Did you end up playing one?
03:47:43
Speaker
Not yet. I've, uh, AC two is probably the next PS3 game. I'll go on back and finish. What's the last one you played? Odyssey. Okay. Yeah. He was asking about, does he go back and play syndicate or origins? And they're very different games. Oh, okay. So you never finished off traditional AC and you never started out. So I played, I played most of AC two and then I, I buy X a very likable character.
03:48:10
Speaker
Yeah, I had the same struggle between those two because it's a smaller, more interesting narrative tale. I like the time period. Yeah, they're both good time. Origins is a, I've got so many fond memories of the Nile River and all the shit that goes on. And it wasn't story related, it was just background interaction. So I've played AC2, I've played AC1.
03:48:37
Speaker
I played AC2 up until a point. I stopped AC2 for some reason. I think I got rid of the PS3 at that time. And then never played AC3. Smash through Black Flag and the DLC. And then didn't touch anything until Odyssey.
03:48:55
Speaker
I don't think I want to go play Unity, Revolution, French Revolution. I've thought about playing Unity. Yeah. That was one where the faces kept melting. It's not anymore. That was a long time ago. I don't trust you. I still be happening. I've got to say that ended up, so I avoided playing it for a long time. It sat in my queue. I actually thoroughly enjoyed that storyline. It wasn't as good as
03:49:21
Speaker
SEO's timeline in terms of fleshing out that historical period, but it wasn't bad either. Yeah, there's lots of enjoyable moments in the French Revolution. I think my plan for the next year, and I have actually thought this out, so I'll go, I'm going to get finished AC2. I've got a couple of other PS3 games that I'm just going to keep doing, so I'm planning to like.
03:49:41
Speaker
The best thing about having the PS3 active and working now is that when Emma's watching TV, I have a game system to go and play. Not the Switch, because I was running out of games. I did download Breath of the Wild, but I'm...
03:49:53
Speaker
I want to wait till I'm overseas. Cause I can, I know I've got nothing on, I'm going to sink a week fucking smashing through that. So yeah, so there's, as AC two, so the PS3 games got lined up, AC two spec ops the line. I've got to go back and do the hard play through on, I've got to finish the challenges in Arkham city.
03:50:13
Speaker
I'm going to go back and also do the new game plus, and I'm excited to replay that. Cause it's been so long since I've played. I love the game plus in the Batman games. Yeah. So go back and redo Arkham city. I'm really keen to go back to that. Um, also there's a bunch of other on that list and then put for new games. Like, yeah, I was thinking.
03:50:33
Speaker
Yeah, I'll actually jump on a few of the AC games that I never touched, but yeah, so Origins, I'll take Mirage and do that. And then, in terms of game releases this year, there's...
03:50:44
Speaker
There's nothing besides outlaws and potentially rise the roan once I see some gameplay. There wasn't much that was really grabbing my, my, um, my interest. But again, I think it's a year like with TV and film. I need to go back and it's catch up. Yeah. Yeah. Which I'm not, I'm not angry about like, yeah, there's some really good games to catch up on. I'm hoping we get through this year too. And it's just the year of the
03:51:11
Speaker
I hope we hit some. The other ones I was planning on was, I might finally do RDR1 and 2. Okay. I need to go back and finish too. But yeah, I remember I did. So I've got RDR1 on the PS3.
03:51:28
Speaker
I started that and I'm like, oh, do I play the remaster on the PS5 or do I go and play the original PS3 version? And I think I might go back and play the original PS3 just to get how it was back in the day. The authentic. The authenticness. Yeah. Yeah. I've played a few remasters of games that I should have played on a PS3. I'm like, oh, this probably would have felt better with the DualShock 3.
03:51:49
Speaker
Also, that's the other thing, going back to an old controller, it's so light. Holy shit.
Casting Speculations: Batman
03:51:56
Speaker
PS4 to PS5, cause I still play the two. Like going between the DualShock 5 and the DualShock 3. It's a lot less bulk and heft. Yeah. Oh, I'm sometimes worried that I'm going to like do a move. That second click on the five, I can't get used to. The tension thing. Yeah.
03:52:19
Speaker
It works in certain games. Yeah, it does. I'm sure it does, but. All of the Horizon games, it worked really well. Oh, yeah. Horizon, the Hollywood expansion. The DLC. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't played that either. The Burning Shores. Did you buy it? No. It's on sale at the moment. So I'm going to get it. Yeah. It was like 60% off.
03:52:36
Speaker
Yeah, right. I think the other day. Yeah. So yeah, that's, that's, that's probably my year. You'll probably hear all about it. Yeah. It's exciting. It's good. It's good year to go back and do some things. I want to go watch all of Reacher that you've talked about. Yeah. Jack reach around. Jack reach around. Jack reach around the, I do want to watch it too. But the dude who plays him has talked about how he wants to play Batman and holy fuck he should. Oh, he's the build. He's the build. Yeah. But.
03:53:06
Speaker
Batman's more than just a musculature. I don't, I don't see it. You know, you know who he is? He's a fucking Guy Gardner. Yes. Yes. Greenland. Oh, Greenland. Yeah. Pop Colord vest. Yep. He's he's and he has the sarcasm to go with it. Yeah, he does. He's a guy. Yeah, he does. I see. I think gray and blue Batman suit. I could see him in that. Oh, I just think he's, he's too big and too sandy head and I,
03:53:33
Speaker
I don't see him as Batman at all. Looking at him in those Reacher pictures, he's too big. And I like the Ben Affleck, the fucking... Yeah, but that's compressed muscle. He's traditional fucking WWF bodybuilder muscle. I'm at the moment now where I want to see Pattinson expand his... Which is, yeah. Expand his Batman.
03:54:00
Speaker
Yeah. I, you know what? I wouldn't say no to him playing Batman because I like, I would still watch it when you're around. I think he's a nice guy. I think he's like, you're listening to his personal story. Cause he did the, um, the guy that played Lex Luthor in, um, Smallville does a podcast. This is life that my life, something like that. Okay. And you mean the Viking daddy in rebel moon.
03:54:26
Speaker
He was the leader of the village. He got killed. No, no, no, no, no, no. From Smallville.
03:54:32
Speaker
Smallville, Lex Luthor, uh, Michael Rosen, something. Oh no. Who am I? He was Lex Luthor in something else. Wasn't he? I don't know. You're asking me for names. I'm the worst person to ask. They did a, they did a podcast together recently and they were talking about Reacher and it was talking about, um, his experience coming through the Hollywood machine from where he came from in WWE and all that sort of stuff. And just, uh, he used to be in a really funny NFL TV series about like college, college football.
03:55:01
Speaker
but he seems like a genuinely nice guy. He seems like a good, fun loving guy. And I think the Bruce Wayne character might be a bit dark for him. Oh, I know who you're talking about now. Yeah, no. So I saw that interview only last week and I'm like, yeah, he's a nice dude. And like, I hope he gets more fucking jobs because
03:55:28
Speaker
Yeah, he seems, he seems like a cool guy that can act and has the action chops and. And I've been avoiding talking about Reacher season two, because I'll wait until the end. Like we're in episode six is out and there's only eight episodes in the season. So I'll wait until Reacher season two finishes to review that, but it's been good. Yeah. No, I, uh, seeing the clips that coming through, it's, it's really made me want to watch it. Season one is more physical.
03:55:58
Speaker
And I enjoyed season one more than I have enjoyed season two so far it's not not that there's anything wrong with season two it's been enjoyable yeah but the physicality of that character.
03:56:10
Speaker
There was one like 30 second clip I saw of Reacher that made me go, yeah, I want to watch this. He's like the woman at the ATM with the car. He goes, you're being carjacked, aren't you? And she's like, and he just like, leave it to me. He just wants to beat the shit out of this dude through the window. I'm like, yeah, cool. I'm into that. That was the first, first, first series. He's brutal. He is absolutely brutal. And the,
03:56:36
Speaker
Do I need to have watched the Tom Cruise ones? No, not at all. No, it's a retelling. It's a retelling. Oh, OK, cool. Do you know what? I don't have an issue with those Tom Cruise ones. No, neither do I. No, I never watched the second one. Some of the shit was actually pretty good. The first one was really good. Yeah. Yeah. The second one was collateral. Collateral. Oh, collateral. That's a different class. It's absolutely different class. Collateral is amazing. But no, the action sequences in Reacher to the movie with Tom Cruise was as good as Reacher One, the movie.
03:57:05
Speaker
But no, um, the TV series is a complete retelling of the character and the first movie. Yeah. There's no continuity between the two. It makes sense. Cause you can't in any universe expect to go from Tom Cruise to five foot two to six and a half foot. Yeah. Anyway, I think that's the end for our first episode of season seven. It is. If you got
Conclusion & Next Episode Preview
03:57:29
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this far, thank you very much for listening and, and all watching on YouTube.
03:57:33
Speaker
Next one will be same bat channel, different bat format. Yeah. It'll be a news and reviews episode. There you go. News and reviews. News and reviews or spotlight there too. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. We'll go through the different Batmobiles eventually. All right. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye.