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S7 E5: Up Late - The Dunening
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Dan, Tom and Pete sit down and review Dune Part 2 in detail, covering plot, acting, cinematography, score, costuming and special FX - almost like professionals!
Beers reviewed this episode:
- Slow Lane Brewing - Taken - Imp. Stock Ale - 10.8%
- Boatrocker Brewers - Ramjet (2017) - Russian Imp. Stout - 13.6%
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Transcript
Podcast Intro & Agenda
00:00:18
Speaker
Welcome back to pixels and pints. Uh, it's an upload episode this week fortnight month, depending on when I edit it, I guess, uh, joining me tonight as always is Tom. Hello.
00:00:32
Speaker
And tonight we're going to be covering, uh, June part two, our structured movie review. Tom has a knife. I don't know why yours chip and shatter. It'll, it'll all become relevant in a minute. Sand. We've got lots of sand. Uh, yeah. So we're going to be covering off, uh, our, our review of June part two. We figured it was, I mean, these upload episodes are a lot shorter and, and more to the point, single topic. We're going to review a.
00:00:47
Speaker
and Dan.
Beer Reviews & Humor
00:01:01
Speaker
extremely high ABV beer, uh, except for Dan, who is not drinking. Yeah, I am. I'm having my first, my first beer in three weeks, my second beer in three weeks. Naughty, naughty, naughty. Um, cool. I hope you enjoy it. I couldn't wait for Pete to hit the record button to start it. So I cracked it open. Fair enough. Uh, do, shall we start with the beer reviews? I am just pouring mine.
00:01:30
Speaker
I have no review, so I'm just going to say I'm having another samba sour from Sunday Road. Passion fruit, passion fruit sour. Nice. Did you review that previously? In the last one. What was it? Sorry. The samba passion fruit sour from Sunday Road. Thank you. The room smells like burning because I got to play with fire. My cat's breath smells like cat food.
00:01:58
Speaker
Um, or should I go first then, Tom, if you're still in the process of... I have poured, but yes, you go first. Okay. All right. I have Brick Lane Brewings taken. Imperial Stock Ale? Yeah. 10.8%. What was the laugh for, Dan? You didn't say you were reading the can, but Tom took a sniff on his beer. And I think the alcohol went straight to his head. I could probably light the top of this glass on fire with my fire that I have.
00:02:30
Speaker
I, um, I'm drinking this in the wrong order. So this is, this is part two of the trilogy of fear for 2023. Uh, which we typically review in our Christmas special, but didn't this year because reasons, I don't know, we had too many fucking beers who would have been falling off the chair by that state Christmas was canceled. Christmas was canceled. Um, this is fan fucking. I don't know what it is. It tastes like a strong ale. It looks like a strong ale.
00:02:59
Speaker
Like it's, it's a really, I mean, it looks redder on this screen, but it's a, it's a dark reddish amber. Um, it's listed as an Imperial stock ale. So I'm sure you can tell us what that style actually means. Nope. Dan. They've made that one up. Yep. It looks like a way heavy or something.
00:03:18
Speaker
Well, I've got to say it tastes like a strong ale, but it's a little too dark, really, because strong ales are typically quite amber, like a lighter amber. What's the sound of a can? Wake to silent blackness trapped by a slow dream. Yeah, it's not going to fucking help me. It's really interesting, actually. It tastes like a strong ale, so it has
00:03:43
Speaker
A solid malt body there's really there's no hop character there at all that i can detect. It is busy but not in a burning kind of way it's more in the flavor and it's quite candy. It's not just sweet it's it's the candy taste
Beer Style Discussions
00:04:02
Speaker
with the sweetness and it's balanced against the abb really fucking well.
00:04:09
Speaker
I'm not going to sit on it so much as I'm just interested to see how it goes as it warms up because it's a fucking spectacular beer as it is. I just looked up the wee heavy and that kind of says everything that you said. Strong ale, wee heavy of sorts.
00:04:33
Speaker
I looked up stock ale and it said it's one of three related traditional British strong fruity ales, the other being old ale and barley wine.
00:04:41
Speaker
Yeah. So it's definitely, I mean, look, it's, it's an ale. It's, it's, it's a medium crystal malt color is what I'm getting out of it. So yeah, look, I'm going to, I'm going to give it a fucking five because it is really, really good. Um, it's a, it's a shame that we didn't get to share it actually. Cause I think you guys really would have gotten a kick out of it too. So that's my view review.
00:05:06
Speaker
Excellent. I'm having the other version of I think the last beer I did as a
00:05:12
Speaker
I'm having another boat rocker ramjet, which I found in the bottom of my fridge. Again, this is a whiskey barrel aged Imperial Stout. I did have to melt the wax off, hence why I was playing with fire and had a knife. It did have kind of cut, but you can kind of see it. It's got a stamp in the label, which is kind of like a cool little touch. That's cool. Like a little crest. Yeah, yeah. Or a seal rather. Yeah.
00:05:37
Speaker
They've dipped their- Very rude. They've dipped their Imperial ring into the wax. Yeah, but there's nothing on the crown seal. The crown seal is flat as a tack. So yes, they definitely did punch the top of it with the Phantom ring. Doesn't work with dipping your ring in the wax. Nothing wrong with that at all. So yes, they've used Starwood whiskey barrels again. Yeah, I'm ignoring you. I broke Dan.
00:06:03
Speaker
That's not hard. He did say it's a 2017 version and said it would sell a well up to five years. Obviously his Dan and some other people might have seen when I first cracked and took a whiff of it. It was just alcohol straight up the nostrils. So that was like it was a nice like really strong boozy flavor. It's actually quite delightful and sipping worthy at the moment. It's it's smooth as all hell. It's it's I wouldn't say it's
00:06:31
Speaker
It's got a kind of sweetness to it, but I'd say more cacao than chocolatey. It's not milk chocolatey kind of thing. It's not that dark chocolate. That bitter chocolate. Yeah, it's very, very enjoyable. You can definitely feel the warmth of that whiskey coming through. It's the back of my mouth.
00:06:51
Speaker
It's given that warming sensation you have from a nice dram. I might sit on this before I review it, because it has been in the fridge. It's ice cold, so I'm going to let it warm up a bit, and hopefully some more of those flavors come out. So yeah, at the end, I'll chuck a
Film Review: 'June Part Two' Initiation
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Speaker
review in, score-wise. But otherwise, so far, first couple sips, very much enjoying it. Looking forward to getting through the whole thing. Yes, for those playing at home, sorry. It is 13.6%.
00:07:21
Speaker
Okay. It's definitely not the, I'm going to have to fight. This is the problem. I'll find it for you and I'll, I'll, I'll link it for you. Yeah. I just went to the Roger Ramjet 2017 and it's a vintage of Roger Ramjet 2018. It's like, unless you got a fucking flux capacitor lying around, I doubt it. Roger Ramjet, he's our man, defending our sweet nation. Fighting for our. Fighting for our nation? Yeah. Fighting for our freedom. Yeah.
00:07:46
Speaker
Flies in and out of space, not to join them, but to beat them? I don't know. When you actually listen to the words, they don't make a whole lot of sense. Anyway. That's America. It's been an 80s writer's strike that we didn't know about. Anyway, so what's he got to do with the Junining? The Junining. Such a bad name that we're going to stick with it.
00:08:12
Speaker
So we're going to do this structured. We're actually going to act like the professionals that we aren't. Um, so we'll start with story and this is going to be, is this going to be full spoilers? You should never go for spoilers. We always said, always said these were going to be full spoilers. So yeah. Yeah. Full spoilers. I have been warned.
00:08:32
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Yes, and if you haven't seen it, you need to see it. If you haven't seen it by the time this episode comes out, then this is your full warning to go and see the film. Stop. Pause what you're listening to and go watch Frenchy McFrench French's new masterpiece. And I got to say, as much as I give that guy shit, and I still think he's a fucking wanker for the stuff that he says outside of the cinema.
00:08:57
Speaker
I very carefully, it's the only time I've ever taken any real notice on the technology stack in a cinema. I specifically wanted to see this movie with an Atmos surround sound, because I knew that you'd have a lot of overhead sounds and a lot of movement in the soundscape.
Soundscape & Cinematic Experience
00:09:15
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And Jesus Christ was I right in terms of
00:09:18
Speaker
predicting that it would contribute to my enjoyment of the film. The soundscape was fucking spectacular and feeling it move around. I kept feeling like someone was grabbing the back of my chair to the point and I was only one back from the very back of the cinema and to the point where I half turned around a couple of times to have a go at the guy kicking my chair and there was no one behind me.
00:09:42
Speaker
So there was enough like vibration of air in the room that it was the cushion, the air filled cushion that's supposed to sit behind your head. It was only just just lightly making contact and it was vibrating enough that it felt like someone was touching my chair. Sure. It wasn't a young couple that didn't want to use the sex bed down the front of the simulator. No, they were next to me. No, they were next to me. The dude next to me literally got a hand job while I was watching the movie. Ah, she found his sandworm.
00:10:11
Speaker
You were waiting on that week. At least a week waiting for that joke. A week? But the guy was in his 30s. Like, seriously, man. Like, if you haven't developed self-control by that stage. Anyway. Yeah.
00:10:28
Speaker
So Story, let's go with that. Sorry. See, I was going to try and make a joke that this is the time that I admit to Peter that I snuck into the session he was in and was just slightly blowing on the back of his ear during the whole film. But then, yeah, someone was getting jerked off next to him. So there's no point. Let's ruin my thing. So that guy, fuck you, you ruined my joke. Had a perfect setup.
00:10:48
Speaker
Um, story. What do we think? I mean, I mean, Tom hated the movie. That's what we've been told so far. I never said actually Dan can attest to this. I actually said some nice things about it in our little private chat. Thank you very much. I never said I like orange. It was nice. I didn't fucking like orange. You can tell, I can tell you that much. Um, I thought, what was the fight?
00:11:12
Speaker
Look, I know that the book's written in the 60s. It's the heyday of that science fiction era. And I don't know how else you could have done it. But the thing that made me laugh about, and this is jumping right to the end of the story, the thing that really made me chuckle was just the obviousness of, well, I'm going to be a bad guy now, so I'm going to wear a black cloak, and I'm going to put my hood up. But for the rest of the film, I had a white cloak, and it was kind of hood down. I just thought it was the weirdest choice for the rest of the film of how
00:11:43
Speaker
You're talking Paul Atreides, right? Yes, Paul. When he suddenly came back and he was like, well, I'm going to be the bad guy now. As opposed to the start of Return of the Jedi, where Luke Skywalker suddenly decided to be a badass and he turns up in a fucking mansion. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying it's like it was the weirdly tropey for what the rest of the film was. It was just, it made me laugh. That's all. I'm going to say it was bad.
00:12:05
Speaker
So defensive for villain.
'June Part Two' Storyline & Themes
00:12:07
Speaker
Was it was it potentially? Fuck that guy. Was it potential? You know, and so Dan is our resident expert on the June source material because he's the only one of the three of us that's bothered to read the book. I 100% intend to read it after watching that film.
00:12:24
Speaker
But it may be there's a there's a source material reason, but the impression I got was that he spent most of the film hiding. He was in essentially in camouflage a lot of the movie. I know he's still got the still suit underneath, but he was wearing a lot of sand colored outfits and cloaks. And then he got to a point where he didn't feel like he needed to hide anymore. And to me, that was what that was a symbol of. It was just like, here I am, motherfuckers. You know, if you think you can take me, bring it on.
00:12:54
Speaker
So that's how I interpreted that symbology, whether it was intentional or not, I couldn't tell you. I'd say it probably is because it does come out at that stage that Paul is still alive and obviously they made that known within the movie with the Emperor talking to the Baron Harkonnen and them realising and so, yeah, three quarters of the book that they're still
00:13:15
Speaker
They don't know who more deep is. They have an inkling, like the Benet Jesuit and Arulan do have that conversation is what happens if Paul Atreides is still alive. So, yeah, it does come out at that final battle that that's, I am here. I am here and I am your worst nightmare. Yeah.
00:13:42
Speaker
So, obviously, when you're watching a film like this and June Part White's the same, you know that the storyline, unless the director fucks with the story too much, you know the storyline is going to be good, right? Like a fucking well-constructed story. Actually, right on that. I enjoyed the story of two. I was more engaged in the story of two, much more than I was with the story of one.
00:14:07
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, that's but but then when you think about it, and I went, which I'm not sure if I was sorry, I was laying that into I'm not sure if that's the same in the book if like, obviously, you got a lot of ground to set up in the first film of this kind of series like this. But I'm not sure if that's the same in the book and like, and it's kind of it's is it weirdly? Is this one of the ones where it's weirdly split across two books, or like a book and a half? No, well, that one this there's a time jump.
00:14:33
Speaker
Yeah. So in a time jump that they don't do in the movie. So we can basically work out the timeframe from start of June one, part one to the end of June part two, which has to be around seven to eight months because Jessica is pregnant with Alia at the start. We know that through conversations and she hasn't had Alia at the end. So we, but she's heavily pregnant by the finale of part two. So we know it's seven to eight months.
00:15:01
Speaker
Within the book, there is a time jump. The first time period ends at Jessica changing the water of life. So when she becomes the Reverend Mother for the Fremen, that is the cut off. The Fremen have a big orgy at that point. And that is the
00:15:28
Speaker
There's reasons to it, and it's all around that water of life. Sure. Sure. There's never not a reason for an ocean. Why not? Sure. That's the end of, I guess you could call it part one in the book, and then you do around a two-year time jump. Paul and Johnny have been together for that length of time, and they've had their first child together.
00:15:54
Speaker
So, there is much more of a bond built between those two within the book because- But Tom Holland wouldn't sign off on that in the movie. No, no. Well, they are part of the orgy as well. So, that's their first encounter with each other very, very early on.
00:16:14
Speaker
It's it's not yeah it's it's our our our modern sick minds and porn hubs version now picturing spider-man and a fucking friend. It is it's it's more sorry I got some on you it's more spoken of as a static kind of like the the underground party in matrix revolutions.
00:16:41
Speaker
Reloaded. Now I'm fucking fixing Spider-Man at that. So yeah, there is a defining time jump in the book, which you could define as part one, part two. And they kind of do that in the movies because it ends with Paul and Lady Jessica being taken by the Fremen into the desert. So that's kind of their symbolic way of
00:17:07
Speaker
So, saying here's the end of the first part of the story, the next part of the story is a Fremen focused, Fremen focused story. I have to admit, like I thoroughly enjoyed the story, but I expected to. It's a seminal classic science fiction work for a reason. If it was a shit book or a shit story, it wouldn't have its place in history the way that it does.
00:17:33
Speaker
But I have to admit that I was confused in the middle about the Reverend Mother and whether or not she continued to believe that all the tradies was the chosen one. I can't remember the.
00:17:50
Speaker
Cause I, which, which rather than mother of the, the Benne Jesuit one or Jessica? Yes. Uh, Jessica Jessica. So he's, he's actual, the, at least on algae, the, the voice. No, the, the quasi Jess are at the one that quizzes.
00:18:05
Speaker
Yes, that's the one I could she obviously believe that he was probably that in the first film and then in the middle of the second film I was starting to get the impression that she had decided that it wasn't him anymore and it was the child that she was carrying and I got a little bit it might have it just been because of that.
00:18:25
Speaker
next to me, I don't know, because it was a little fucking annoying. I honestly thought you were about to talk about the way they use the Fremen language when they did that thing when Yavia Bardem was walking down the premise. And I was like, well, why did that confuse you? They kind of had subtitles on. No, no, no, I just couldn't. You couldn't disassociate yourself from the
00:18:51
Speaker
The extra extracurricular activities happening next to you in the cinematic experience, yeah. I almost said something, but what do you say and what do they respond with? Need a hand? Clearly, there was already too many hands in that situation.
00:19:07
Speaker
Yes, I got a little confused in the middle because it felt like she was, obviously she was going crazy from the water of life and she was talking to her unborn child, but not necessarily at the same time because you know that the child's obviously going to be or have been a Jesuit powers.
Religious & Political Themes in 'June Part Two'
00:19:25
Speaker
And so the idea of a telepathic link was believable, particularly since Paul Atreides had that telepathic link at the end of the movie too in the dream.
00:19:33
Speaker
He spoke to his sister as a teenage girl, so clearly his mum wasn't going nuts all that time talking to it. But I kind of got a little confused in the middle as to whether or not she still believed that he was actually the chosen one or if he was just playing the part for a while and she was basically manipulating the situation so that he played the part that he was supposed to play for her benefit.
00:19:58
Speaker
Yeah. And that's, it's definitely part of what goes in the book. Jessica played much more of a forward moving role in instilling that hall as the, the Messiah for the, for the Fremen. She doesn't play such an active role. Uh, and in parts they did actually kind of switch, switched
00:20:23
Speaker
some of the things that they did from the movie to the book. So Paul was very against any kind of always is taking on this Messiah role. He's against it until he can't be against it anymore. I thought that was brilliantly acted by the way. The apprehension to be seen or held aloft as the Messiah, he played that perfectly all the way through.
00:20:51
Speaker
Yeah, he definitely did. And like, she, she doesn't usually in the book, doesn't push the, and even to the point where it was a little bit evil saying we need to go for the weak ones first. Um, they, they played her off as more of the witch Benne Jesuit, the, the evil side. Um, and I guess through the whole thing, they,
00:21:15
Speaker
They, they really, and it gets brought up several times, which is great that the Lisanar Gaib is a Bene Jesuit plant. Like the Bene Jesuit have been instilled in the Fremen culture for thousands of years, laying this, laying this groundwork for the groundwork for their Messiah to come. And all of a sudden she drinks the water of life, gets the, the, the awakening, the memories of all the previous Reverend mothers and falls into this.
00:21:42
Speaker
And they get referred to as witches all the time, the Bene Jesuit, because of their abilities that are understood by the general public. So she really falls into that semi evil witch kind of character.
00:21:59
Speaker
which really plays out further in in the book series as well, where Paul and Alia have a very stilted relationship with their mother for the things that she put them through. Even though you come from the first movie where she loves Leito, so she gave him a son rather than she went against her bezel at Jenna training, where they say you must have a daughter, because we're not ready. And that would be the mother.
00:22:26
Speaker
And that mother was then meant to breed with the Harkonnen, the Harkonnen heir, which was the male, and then together they would then they would then have the Quizar tardorak, which was under Bene Jesuit control.
00:22:43
Speaker
as where Jessica pulls at a generation early and doesn't tell the Benne Jesuit. They don't have the control that they had hoped. And a lot of the scrambling from the Reverend Mother, the actual Reverend Mother, the Benne Jesuit Reverend Mother was about trying to regain control and make plans around Paula Trady's death or assumed death. And it felt like she was trying to rescue a plan that had fallen apart, basically.
00:23:12
Speaker
And you see that with Leah Seidou. I think it was Leah's character that slept with... Yeah. She slept with... Margot Fenrig. Lady Margot Fenrig. Yep.
00:23:22
Speaker
Yeah, so that also, Lady Margot Fenrigg is married to Count Fenrigg in the book. And the Harkonnen line ends with Fade Rother. It doesn't get any further, but obviously they're looking for an antagonist for future movies. So they're playing that Margot Fenrigg has the Harkonnen line.
00:23:46
Speaker
is continuing. There is a mention of it in the book when she first sees Faye Ruther in the arena. She does actually say, has a mental thought saying, is this the line that we're meant to preserve? So there is, there is a
00:24:01
Speaker
precedent. There is a precedent there. There is a a a nudge towards that. She might have carried the, the, um, the, the harkon and air.
Paul Atreides' Character Analysis
00:24:12
Speaker
Um, but it's, uh, that's never, that's never something that's, it goes any further in the book that it ends with them. Uh, and she's married to account. So, um, I, I felt it was, cause again, I haven't read the book, right? So I don't know what
00:24:29
Speaker
elements that were in the book that Denis Villeneuve has kind of lent into to make a comment, excuse me, potentially about modern society, as opposed to what was what was a metaphor in the original content when Frank Herbert wrote the book.
00:24:48
Speaker
But I thought it was fascinating, the push-pull between fundamentalists. And that's a word that was used quite willy-nilly in the movie. And the concept of seeding a religion with a bullshit story in order to manipulate them. And I felt it was quite on the nose in terms of modern society, but it equally could have been quite on the nose in the 60s.
00:25:15
Speaker
Yeah, they don't. From memory, he doesn't use the fundamentalist term at all in the book. But that could just be a modernization of the words. Yeah, it's definitely alluded to with their fanaticism around Paul and then towards the end and especially in the next books. I mean, the next book is literally called June Messiah.
00:25:45
Speaker
And you get much more of an in look to the fedi can so the special forces within the within the within the fremen but you also get a very polarized view of those fremen who.
00:26:00
Speaker
didn't have the such radical ideas, uh, that Paul was the Lisa and I gave, uh, and those that will absolutely blindly follow him to the end. Um, and that actually comes to a very big head in June Messiah, um, with Paul right smack bang in the middle of these, uh, these machinations by certain characters, the crazies and the not the crazies.
00:26:24
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, still the not crazy, as I say in quotation marks, still do some very radical things in the name of their unbelief of, non-belief of him being the Messiah. So it's 100%
00:26:43
Speaker
spoken about. They don't use that fundamentalist term. I don't really remember the... I want to get it out in the open. I haven't said this yet. I think all bar two changes from the novel were expertly done. I thought they were
00:27:00
Speaker
absolute homages to what was written in the original text with concessions of it needing to fit within a limited character two hours and 45 ending of a movie like
00:27:18
Speaker
They made expert choices in the way that they chose to tell the story. They chose to tell the story about certain characters and execute all the little bits and pieces, even down to the way that Paul stabs the Baron at the end was an homage to how he died in the book. It's not how he died in the book, but it is an homage to how he died in the book. And that was a two second thing on screen. And it was a clear choice of
00:27:46
Speaker
the Baron had to die. Alia, the poor sister, wasn't there to kill the Baron with the Atreides Gomjabar stabbing him in the neck. So Paul stabs him in the neck with the with the with his with his knife. With the Chris knife. Yeah. Yeah. So down to- So what were the two? You implied that there were two changes that you didn't appreciate.
00:28:08
Speaker
I understand why they did them. I just don't like that they did them this way. The first one was the use of the nukes and having the idea of pointing nukes at the major spice fields to destroy them doesn't make sense to me because
00:28:29
Speaker
They didn't have time and they weren't able to touch on how the spice was created, which is through the infant worm poo. The worms. In the book, he uses converted water of life and has that suspended over either the water or the major spice fields. Basically, what it does will just corrupt everything on the planet and kill the life cycle of the worms.
00:28:57
Speaker
So that's how he sets it up to destroy the spice. Destroying some fields of spice with some nukes doesn't make sense to me, but then they didn't have enough time to establish. They would have had to make the full major cuts elsewhere to establish that. Yeah, I mean, I get it makes sense. It makes sense for the general film viewer to go and watch it because you say you're going to fire some nukes at the spice fields and it's going to corrupt it forever because you think of Chernobyl and you think of a nuclear meltdown and how it
00:29:25
Speaker
Oh, the way I saw it is more like oil. Every time I heard the word spice, I heard the word oil, which is why you've got a very you've got a very Middle Eastern theme throughout the entire movie. The music is set in the scale of Middle Eastern music for the score. Obviously, there's a lot of themes there. We won't go into the religion part of the themes that I think that it was probably designed to be a bit of a commentary on.
00:29:53
Speaker
So, yeah, that's how I saw it. They were essentially threatening to blow up the oil fields. Yes. Yeah. And that's what I mean. I understand why that was a choice to make it like that because it was far easier. It took way less. It was talked about in a sentence. And everyone got it straight away. Exactly.
00:30:14
Speaker
And the other change I really, really, really hated, and it actually made me dislike the movie for a day or so, was the way that Chani walked out at the end like a stroppy, heartbroken teenager. Yeah. She's for dykin'. She says in there, she's for dykin'. You get this hardened woman through the whole thing. And the book literally ends with Jessica saying to Chani,
00:30:42
Speaker
History will remember us as wives. And it's a you have done the right thing to be here and stand by Paul in his difficult choice to not marry you because he loves you to absolute death and has to choose the thing that is going to change the universe.
Film Execution & Character Portrayals
00:31:01
Speaker
by saying to the Emperor, I'm taking your daughter as a wife, and that makes me now the legitimate heir to the empire. You have no say about this. And he says to Arulan, you're nothing. You're a wife by name only. You have no power. You have no nothing. Chani is my partner. She is my wife. She is the mother of my child. This is how it is. You have nothing. And he's actually very harsh and hard on Arulan.
00:31:33
Speaker
through both the end of June and June Messiah. And I just didn't like the way Chani walked out because it did disservice to her character in the book and did disservice to her character in the movie.
00:31:50
Speaker
Well, yeah, as someone who has only seen the movie, I thought it was really weird that she didn't pick up on the plan. That was the thing that threw me off. And the mates that I went and saw it with who have also not read the book, we all worked out. It seemed like a weird choice that Chani didn't pick up on that. It was a pretty
00:32:11
Speaker
It wasn't a clever plan. He literally said to her in the lead up to declaring that he would take Princess Aurelian's hand, her hand, I will love you forever or I'll love you to the end of time or something. Until my last breath. Yeah, that was that recurring thing. So he told her what he was doing. He made it clear that this is
00:32:38
Speaker
And then the other thing that really I agree actually I didn't really it didn't leave a distaste in my mouth at the end of the movie but it was out of character and it felt a little cheap. She is a hardened a warrior.
00:32:54
Speaker
And the notion if you if you look at depictions through history in in fiction mind you of hardened warriors of mixed mixed gender groups. Sex in within a group of warriors is quite a common.
00:33:11
Speaker
Not meaningless, but it doesn't have the same weight of meaning that our society currently applies to sex or used to until 20 years ago. And so I really it was a little unexpected that she would kind of just walk out just after that particular moment. But I want to hear.
00:33:28
Speaker
And no disrespect, Dan. I wanted to hear from Tom as to what his thoughts were not knowing anything about the underlying force. Two seconds just on the end of that. I understand. Well, I don't understand, but the choice of making her walk out was, I think, leans back to also the timeframe that they chose.
00:33:49
Speaker
After them developing a relationship and actually being together they could have only been together for a couple of months so you can kind of see even though it's not within the character that they built up earlier that she would have a very quick emotional reaction to the person that she loves.
00:34:09
Speaker
saying I'm going to marry somebody else and not having being part of that, that house culture. She might not have seen it that way. I know I'm stretching and I'm clutching at straws. Well, actually, no, no, I was just gonna say on that. It's I don't if you're if you're on that line, which I do see exactly where you're coming from. It's not just the the fact that he says I'm going to marry this. It's more who he's becoming is what she's meant to be reacting to in the film sense. Yeah.
00:34:36
Speaker
It's more about him. She's becoming a politician, not a warrior. And leaning more into the fanaticism side of it that she's... Which had already pissed her off. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, they made that pretty clear throughout. I mean, she had the shits in that. Yeah, you're right. She had the shits in the scene where they're inside the really, really, really big shed.
00:34:56
Speaker
where they were doing the ritual and he challenged everyone. That was a cool moment. I think that was probably the emotional climax of the film when he stood up and he used the water of life to talk specifically to individuals and their own personal history and demonstrated through that that he could see the future and he could see the past. I thought that was a very cool moment. That was supposed to be the spine tingly moment.
00:35:25
Speaker
See, I saw that as more of his mother's corruption seeping into a moment. I thought, I thought he was really manipulating the people. He was trying to get behind him using his mother's tactics rather than a Paul tactic. It was a Jessica tactic kind of thing. So I get what you're saying. It was brilliantly like brilliant moment, but in terms of it left, that was one of those moments that I was just like.
00:35:48
Speaker
I left that same being like, oh, I feel a bit like dirty hands, like little clammy moment. Like, yeah. Let me ask like a broad brush question, Dan. Is Paula Trady's a good guy in the books and the grand scheme of things? Well, it's funny you say that. I was thinking about all this earlier and.
00:36:09
Speaker
This is not a happy ending movie. This doesn't really end well for anybody involved. Paul gets his revenge about destroying his family in his house. He unleashes a holy war on the galaxy. Millions of people die. And it's not until later on in Messiah where he really reflects on these things and has a really sombre
00:36:37
Speaker
I shouldn't have done that. Like I did it for reasons. Um, but there were consequences. There were, there were incredible consequences to all of humankind because of the choices I made, but because he can see all paths to an extent, because he chooses not to see further at some points. Uh, he, he knew the paths. Uh, he was either.
00:37:04
Speaker
To go this the alternatives were worse the alternatives for him and his line and his family were worse yeah and the Fremen were worse as well so to set the holy wall loose on the universe or on the galaxy was the.
00:37:20
Speaker
Lesser of two evils because- So he trolley carted. He did the five versus the one. He did. He definitely did, but he has to now live with the deaths of those untold billions of people through, not just through war, but it says it in the movie, through the famine that's caused through the war. Or he destroys the spice fields and sends them all back to basically the middle ages. The Stone Age.
00:37:43
Speaker
Yeah, where they go back to a complete feudal system, houses faster than light travel doesn't exist anymore. It's sublight travel between planets and all the houses go back to their own fiefdom and they control their own little fief.
00:38:02
Speaker
There are no faith being a planet. Yes. Yes. Yes. The houses. Yeah. What did we think of the romance? Was it believable between Timothy Charlemagne and? I'm surprised they dwelt on it so much, to be honest. Like I thought they'd really set it up in one from what I remembered, like that it was really leading towards that. And then they did this whole kind of weird on off again. Yeah. I thought they'd already.
00:38:27
Speaker
Like from memory, obviously I don't remember exactly things, but I thought that was covered in one. Or like the end of it kind of led to like, there was like a bit of- There was a spark there, but I think- Yeah. I guess for all our things of watching so many like, you know, space opera kind of things, like it was like when we see that spark, we're like, well, that's going to happen. Like we could jump ahead and like skip through that. I don't need to see the cording. We know it's going to happen.
00:38:57
Speaker
I didn't mind the reasons for the hesitation though. She saw this outsider, she really struggled to trust him to start with. It was exacerbated by the fact that you had these fanatics declaring that he was the Messiah. I actually think the reason, the thing that won her over was his stoicism to denying that he was the Messiah.
00:39:22
Speaker
I think that's ultimately what told her that he could be trusted because you had this people that were prepared to just welcome him in and and give him all of this power and authority over them. And he kept saying no. And I think that probably led to that trust more than anything else. I definitely agree to a point in that I actually felt that partway through Paul's
00:39:48
Speaker
Delivering of that no no no i don't believe it i actually started to hear more in the way timothy shall and i was delivering those lines that he was starting to go on. Maybe i am like like that halfway point of the film like he was still saying like going through the motions of saying no i'm not them like he started to.
00:40:07
Speaker
question his belief that he's not him and started listening more to his mum saying and the other guy saying that like, you are this guy. I don't know. There was like a slight voice inflection where he like maybe slowed down a beat saying. I'm not the Messiah. Messiah I am not. Yeah. I guess I got the impression he was starting to enjoy the attention. Definitely. That scene where he does stand up in front of everyone.
00:40:36
Speaker
Like, I didn't think Chalamet could pull that off. When I saw the grandeur of the scene, I didn't think he'd be able to actively pull it off, but I was thoroughly impressed by the way he did it.
00:40:45
Speaker
And you're talking about in the big shed moment, the K where he yells at the dude and he goes really personal that one warrior kind of thing. Yeah. I really like, I was super impressed with the way that Charlemagne pulled that off for such a young actor. It, it held a certain gravitas that I didn't know he was capable of. I agree. We should, we should maybe move the conversation into acting. So, um,
00:41:08
Speaker
What did we think of the lead acting? And so when I say lead and I'm not the definer of shit, but to me, Timothy Charlemagne and Zendaya are the two lead actors in this movie or actor and actress. Were they believable? I mean,
00:41:26
Speaker
Before we get into that, I would like to throw out, which I throw out to Dan. I really found distracting halfway through the film, the amount of really well-known actors that were brought into it as significant roles. Like.
00:41:40
Speaker
It's starting to feel a bit Game of Thrones-y a little bit. Yeah, Game of Thrones-y or Christopher Nolan-y, where it's just like, hey, I know who's the who's who right now in acting. I'm going to bring them in. And it almost kind of cheapened it for me. I guess because a lot of those guys have been in a lot of those Christopher Nolan films that are those like grand spectacles. It was like, oh, this is what you guys do now. You do the grand spectacles.
00:42:02
Speaker
Um, but I, I was completely thrown off my walk and I don't know if it's my, you know, I've watched it. I was waiting for the fucking caricature of himself to be honest. I can't believe that this Paul Atreides has come in and he's leading the Fremen around. Yeah. Like it was, I don't know. It was, it was a bit weird. Um, and your Taylor joy really threw me. And I,
00:42:24
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't, again, it was just felt like, yeah, you're in everything now, but this doesn't hold any weight kind of thing. Um, that's just one thing I want to throw out the general, general casting. Um, but tell you what really fucked with me distracted me. Yeah. Tell you what really fucked with me. Austin Butler fade, uh, fade Rother. Yeah. It did with Louise. So she said she couldn't stop seeing Elvis.
00:42:49
Speaker
Yeah, I so I haven't seen Elvis. I really want to see Elvis. But I'm in the middle of watching him in Masters of the Sky, the new Band of Brothers series. Yeah. And he's one of the two major or he was he's one of many main characters, but he's the two prominent characters. Yeah. And he's got hair and eyebrows.
00:43:11
Speaker
And so vastly different as a character. You know, it's going to really annoy, probably annoy you guys, but I could not see him as the alien that drinks the weird water in Prometheus, the alien ripoff film. Was he at the start? Is that him at the start?
00:43:31
Speaker
No, no, it's not him. No, but the way they did his makeup, his head looks weirdly jelly. I was still getting over the fact that it wasn't Matt Smith. Well, yeah. Yeah. I could see that too. Same sort of brow structure. Yeah. No, I think I, again, super impressed. I go back to Sui's remark that I can't see, I can't not see Willy Wonka when I look at Shall and May now. Yeah. It was, it was Willy Wonka versus Thanos, really. That's, that was the movie.
00:44:01
Speaker
But that's the thing I didn't I didn't see I completely disassociated Charlemagne from any other role I've seen him in. I thought he did a wonderful job. And like I said, I didn't think he'd be able to pull off some of those big scenes like
00:44:16
Speaker
in terms of the timbre of his voice, it's quite light, it's quite airy almost. But the way he held that like, that vocal capacity to yell like that, like I was like, Whoa, that same when he turned around and told the Reverend Mother to shut the fuck up. I was like, I am instantly
00:44:34
Speaker
Six to midnight. Like, yes, son. Fuck. That was that was great. And like, if I watched in like, obviously, I know how much Star Wars is ripped off of June. But if you watch the scene where Luke Jedi mind trick someone just went, shut up or silence or whatever he says in that thing, you'd be like, Oh, yes, sir. Right away, sir. What are we giving shivers? That's the thing. I thought the way he carried himself was was sensational for such a young actor and the like on on that.
00:45:01
Speaker
on that same, same, same scene as well, Tom. Um, the, the foot stamp in front of Christopher Walken, in front of the emperor, uh, could have been taken. If he'd done it, it could, it could have been like, but it wasn't to be emperor, but there was no change in the facial expression. There was no movement in the upper body. There was no hesitation in, and it was fucking do it. This isn't a request. This is an order.
00:45:30
Speaker
You know what it actually felt like? And look, it's very right. No, no, it felt like he looked very much like a Christian. Let's not lie about it. Um, it felt like he was like almost like curb stomping the Emperor. Like he was just like, I will smash your skull with my foot.
00:45:47
Speaker
Yeah. Do it all. This is going to get worse. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which I think is sensational for him. He's had like the only other roles I've seen him in. It's just like he's like Wonka is obviously the most popular one that's come out recently. And it's like so different tonally to see him in this. But even going from June 1 to where he is now, I thought he carried himself so much better. Like he was 29 as an actor.
00:46:12
Speaker
Absolute baby, in terms of most of the actors we've been watching in the last couple of years, they have definitely moved. Considering how old everyone around him is that like the supporting cast. I thought they nailed casting and I think that the actors themselves fucking nailed their roles too.
00:46:34
Speaker
I don't agree. I really was distracted by some of the big names they pulled in and I think it detracted from the film. I liked Batista in the first one. I really didn't like Batista in this one. I don't think he carried that role as well as he did in the first one. Josh Brolin, I think for me. Oh, this is just for me. I felt like he phoned it in a little.
00:46:58
Speaker
I don't know, I want him to be a bit more burnt out and washed up than I think he put on. He was still a bit too royal for what had happened. I guess with the shortening of that time jump, maybe that makes more sense. I don't know. I think I think I don't disagree with what you said about Josh Brolin. But I think.
00:47:18
Speaker
Dave Bautista needed to fade into the background and he, because the, the, the role needed him to fade into the background. He's a has been, he failed, he needs to be gotta stomped and ultimately he's being replaced with a guy who's physically a 30 size. And so they needed to come up with a believable way to kind of push him out of the limelight and replace him with this, this much sleeker, more agile, nimble.
00:47:45
Speaker
Yeah i'm fucking knife welding murderer and i think they did a decent job because if he did if he played it even keel it wouldn't have been as believable that this scrawny little dude could have supplanted him essentially. I don't know i'm i'm i think we're going on the same but i was actually thinking that the taste of overactive little.
00:48:09
Speaker
As opposed to pushing him back to the- But I think he had to overact it. He needed to be the petulant, replaced, um, chosen, well, you know, chosen special, uh, niece, uh, nephew of, I think his nephew. Yeah. It was his uncle floating, floating jab of the hut. Yeah. Um, so it's, it's really interesting because that is, um, Robin, so Batista's character, uh, was,
00:48:38
Speaker
Spade Rutha was going to replace Rabyn from the first, oh God, I think it's within the first 50 pages of the book. Baron says, Rabyn is just a tool. He is there to put down the Fremen and to get spice production back.
00:48:55
Speaker
in, in line, um, he is not going to be the one that rules. The one that rules is my other nephew, my younger nephew, um, because he has the smarts and the wilds and the ruthlessness to do it, uh, cleverly, uh, as where Batista was used as a battering ram. Um, and that, that, um, that, uh, I think Batista played that, uh,
00:49:21
Speaker
He's obviously a big, capable man, but he played that more simplistic child-like bowing down to the fear of the uncle, bowing down to the fear because he wasn't smart enough to see these other things working in the background.
Cinematography & Visual Storytelling
00:49:37
Speaker
The patterns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think he wasn't great. I got what you're saying. Yeah.
00:49:44
Speaker
I was going to say, I don't know if Austin Butler, he was psycho, but I don't know if he was, I probably would have liked him to push that a bit further.
00:49:53
Speaker
Um, it, from what, the way they talked about in terms of being a, a ruthless politician as much as a ruthless physical presence, pure psycho killer. Like they, the way they talked about him being a bit more like psychotic in the way, but he needed to be believable as someone who could make the political maneuvers to like joker level psycho kind of thing. I just, I, I, and I read this thing about a good joker too, by the way, that actor.
00:50:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I could definitely, I could say that, but no, there's like the way he talked about, I read one of his interviews, like post post film coming out about how he's always been really method. And like when he did Elvis, he was talking as Elvis for weeks after filming. And he had to, you know, I had to go see someone to be like, I need to stop like a speech guy to be like, I need to stop talking like Elvis. It's freaking everybody out. And he was like, I know how bad this role I'm playing is. I'm pretty method. I need to hold back. And like, I can't be acting like.
00:50:48
Speaker
Hey, Ruth, did I get that right? Yeah, I can't be acting like him in in my modern day, day to day life. Like I can't let this bleed into my offset kind of life, which I think is very good for a lot of method actors who don't do that and don't pull back from that edge sometimes. But I don't know if that
00:51:09
Speaker
This is weird things. I really don't think method acting is that great, but I don't know if that actually kind of made him pull back in some of these performances. I just thought he was like a little, I think he could have pushed it just that little bit further in some of those scenes. Maybe that was a director's choice. Who knows? We'll maybe find out at a later stage, but yeah, that's, that's just for me.
00:51:28
Speaker
Hmm. Okay. Um, do we want to move on to cinematography? I think we need to just make a comment of Lady Jessica Rebecca Ferguson, um, in her, in her craziness role of talking to both Alia in her stomach, in her mind, uh, as well as externally and how, how well she portrayed that, um, Reverend mother. I think a great little offshoot thing they could do for Lady Jessica would be just Lady Jessica's like,
00:51:54
Speaker
blog from inside the zan worm little pod i think that'd be fascinating i think it'd be so cool. Are you right though dan i think she fucking nailed it and look everything she's been in recently and she's been popping up all over the place recently for me she was the lead actress in the silo.
00:52:13
Speaker
And all the attention was on her. And she's been in a couple of other things recently as well. She fucking nails it every time. She's great. I was also very keen to see Florence Pugh's Emperor's Daughter take over more of a role.
00:52:29
Speaker
It really teased what is to come from Florence Pugh in that thing. I don't think she was like, obviously story wise, she didn't have enough to go on, but like there were times where you saw through like where she looked really frightened by things, but you could see in her eyes that she was just like.
00:52:45
Speaker
I'm kind of, I'm telling you I'm frightened with the way I look, but I'm also plotting things in the background. Like I'm adapting to this as it happens kind of thing. I think it was like that quick-minded thing, like there's just the way that her face held in that. So if, especially if she's meant to come out more in what we're going to, let's assume is going to be a third film. I would assume we'll get Messiah and Children. Well, hang on, but we've got a third part to the original story. No, that's it.
00:53:13
Speaker
That's the June is done. That is the movie set part two ended where the book ends. Right. Okay. We're on to June. We're on to June Messiah. Cause Denise already talking about if we can make this a trilogy, that would be an amazing feat. So when he said that, I kind of.
00:53:30
Speaker
Yeah, okay. So when he said that, I kind of assumed that meant that it was a three part retelling of the original book. So obviously not. It's really bugging me and I'm currently on IMDB looking up Game of Thrones because what's her name? Leah Sidhu really threw me for a loop because she looks a lot like
00:53:55
Speaker
one of the actresses in Game of Thrones playing a role very similar to the role that Lee or Sidhu played. The one who marries the young, young. Yes. Yeah. Margot. Margot. She actually, she actually ended up marrying the prince. Yes. Lady of the House of Flowers. She had the boss asked grandma was the. She's so fucking good.
00:54:22
Speaker
Tell her it was me. Lee is actually, yeah, on that Lee has to do. I just, I don't know. It felt like she was playing another. That's when I said like felt like she was playing a Nolan role. Like I don't, I don't think that was some of her best work to be honest. I think she's been it.
00:54:39
Speaker
Oh, but that could be what she was given. Like, don't get me wrong. It could have been the content she was given. Natalie Dormer is the actress I was thinking of. Yeah. Yeah. Who plays Marjorie Tyrell. Yeah. I don't know. I just, as soon as, uh, Lisa whose character came on, I was just like, it felt like one of those, one of those characters that Nolan subs in, like it's the sub in character. It's just like, she was the only character, she was the only actress that felt out of place for me.
00:55:07
Speaker
And it was just, and again, it's because- Her and Walken definitely. Walken felt so out of place for me. Yeah, me too. Yeah, so the actress from Game of Thrones and Leah Sidhu's character,
00:55:21
Speaker
were echoes of each other for me, where it was a case of in order for us to have control of the men, we have to manipulate them, make them fall in love with us. Fuck them to get their seed and then we will control the world through our progeny.
00:55:39
Speaker
And it was just. Yeah. That was also pretty, pretty, pretty weak writing on, uh, Austin, particularly when the Reverend where he was just like, I'm, I'm, I can see through your tricks. And then she just takes off the thing and he goes, well, sorry, what were you saying? I'm interested now. Perhaps we can deal. But, but, but, but even the follow up conversation with the Reverend mother felt a little flimsy. It's okay. I've secured the seed.
00:56:06
Speaker
Really? Yeah. That was the conversation? That's what I was saying before. Tom, you say that it felt like a subbing character. It is a subbing character. It's a subbing part. Like it didn't exist. That extension of the role didn't exist in the book. So I'm not surprised that it felt like a subbing because it literally was. Literally was, yeah. Well, there you go. I've seen you through Mr. Frenchie McFrench French. I'm onto you. Shall we move on to cinematography or just conscious of time?
00:56:37
Speaker
Yep. I'm glad you're conscious of time because I feel it as a construct. Um, that movie was very fucking bright. It was very fucking bright and it hurt my eyes. And I, I, I was, I was scared and alone and very frightened afterwards. No, I don't know. I understand the whole thing. There's a planet, everything spasting. I don't know. Just compared to the first one. It's been a long time since I've walked out of a cinema and actually gone, holy shit. Like my eyes hurt from how bright that was.
00:57:06
Speaker
It really, and if you talk about cinematic experience, it really threw me off that it was just very specific takeaway. I don't know if it was just like, well, I think we had like more moments in June one where like.
00:57:17
Speaker
your eyes got a chance to reset. So you went to the House of Trades planet and it was the lush greens, beautiful waters. That one scene that we all remember is the ship coming out of the water and just cascading off. Whereas this, it was just like, well, it's white sand and it's sunny. So like it's the one film, I think I actually said it today, it's the one film that I really wish
00:57:41
Speaker
I didn't necessarily. No, I didn't necessarily see in 3D, but I wish I'd taken some of those 3D glasses that are like kind of sunnies, but not just to give them a rest. Yeah, I don't know. I think that was a choice to write. No, no, I understand it's a choice. I'm not denying that it's a choice. I just wish Villeneuve had dialed it back a notch. I felt it was too much of a choice.
00:58:04
Speaker
I get it. I'm not in the desert though. I'm in the comfort of a cinema seat for two hours and 45 fucking minutes by, by, by like don't burn out my retinas because yeah.
00:58:16
Speaker
I didn't pick up on that. Well, maybe your 4K screen wasn't 4K enough. I kind of see where Tom's coming from. I mean, you make a comparison to that like Fury Road and Fury Road has that more dulled down orange desert tone, I guess, Australian outback desert tone rather than the sands of Sahara, the bright white
00:58:37
Speaker
I see where it's coming from and there's far fewer shots within buildings and things like that in this one. There was no break. Even when you went to a different planet, you went to a star black and white planet.
00:58:49
Speaker
Yeah, those fireworks were fucking cool though. Which was cool. Yeah, that whole black sun and the way that it changed the properties of light was really cool. You've got to credit it from that. I may think he's friends with him, but I'll give him credit for that. To me that was
00:59:09
Speaker
Because I've fucked around in my photography days, I fucked around with a UV film and it was, it very much felt like UV film. Like it's a, it's not just black and white. Max shot and that kind of thing. Yeah.
00:59:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's it's ultra contrast. Yeah. Black and white. There's no gray. It's black or it's white. And that's quite different from traditional kind of black and white shots. Yeah. The scenes of the people moving through like the podiums, bagolas, whatever you call it. And as they hit light, just the start change. It was very, very, very well done. You got it. Yes. 100% credit. There is a black and white version of Mad Max too, Tom.
00:59:51
Speaker
Yeah, there is black and black and crime. Yeah, we've talked about that. But I don't think it's it's it's not to that extent. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine on that extent.
01:00:01
Speaker
But I felt the cinematography overall, even shooting sand, I think it was expertly done. There were less slow-mo sand shots. Yeah, there was. But it felt very Middle Eastern and I think that's the only way you could possibly go. Were you guys disappointed by the lack of sandworms? There was only like five sands with sandworms in it. I felt disappointed that they turned into boogie boards really quickly.
01:00:28
Speaker
Like they didn't have that awesome power past the first scene where the three sandworms came out and they were like a force to be reckoned with and the first movie they were a destructive force.
01:00:41
Speaker
And you see at the end when they're all traveling on it, like a bus, like just, you know, but yeah, but that's the thing. They're a destructive force to the outsiders to the Fremen. They're Shah Hulud. They're, they're gods. They're, they're, but there was no reverence in it. They're mode of transport. They're everything.
01:01:00
Speaker
Yeah so that's my point is one thing that was missing like it that's that and two other things that i made i have made on yet we're missing where you're absolutely right they didn't have the reverence for childhood.
01:01:17
Speaker
The only time anybody within both movies has the little reverence for him is Dr. Kynes in the Thopter when the sand chews it up and she has the little speech, which is coming in the going of the maker. I forget the words of it, but that's their respect for the maker, the spice creator, the god of our world.
01:01:40
Speaker
And they have the reverence for the the Chris knife which is a tooth of the tooth of so. But yes I 100% agree that would that reverence for the worm was definitely missing in this this one. Just like we're gonna catch the four oh five out the power like that's what it felt like. Especially when and when the mother actually caught the baby one and was just like well here we go here's my you know. Gonna what all out with this thing on and just pull some poison out of it.
01:02:09
Speaker
Yeah, that scene felt janky. I couldn't put my finger on what I didn't like about it because it was the, the shorter statue lady carrying it from the sand arena to the water arena.
01:02:25
Speaker
It wrapped around it like a snake, but it just didn't feel, it didn't have enough gravity for me, or gravitas. Yeah, and not just the special effects, it wasn't just the special effects, it was also...
01:02:41
Speaker
It didn't, the sandworm didn't behave the way that I expected it to behave too. It didn't writhe, it didn't fight her. It just wrapped itself around her. It didn't squeeze. She wasn't, she didn't seem to be in any kind of discomfort. It was just- It gave her the old Vulcan nerve pinch as soon as she grabbed it. Yeah. It just didn't feel, it didn't feel like that was a baby God to me. No, no, no. And I think that's weird. Felt like a really big snake.
01:03:08
Speaker
Yeah. And that's where I think the, the lack of reverence kind of started because it's like, that was meant to be a really seminal moment of like, Oh, this is how we get this, this beautifully deliciously blue poison. Yeah. Like that was a beautiful blue, especially against the stark white, yellow that had been for the rest of the film. But it had to match the eye color.
01:03:31
Speaker
Yes. No, no. And I think it was, I think it was beautifully chosen.
Music Score & Cultural Influences
01:03:34
Speaker
I think it really, it really accentuated how important it was in the film because of that break of those anonymous scholars. Um, I said, I really dug the number 23 tattoos on the face too, for the Reverend mother.
01:03:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah. No, I actually said to Luke after we left that I was just like, it reminded me of. Unfortunately really reminded me of like the PS3 era of games where everything was just like that model Brown. I think that was the thing that probably hurt my eyes for much. It was just too much of the same color palette.
01:04:08
Speaker
I really, until that blue though, that blue, I fucking, I think it's a, I think it's a, a personal experience from like, or a personal, like it had a connection to personal experiences for me because I had a bit of a, a romantic fling with the middle East for four or five years, I think, maybe.
01:04:29
Speaker
I've spent a lot of time in the Middle East, well, not a lot of time, I've spent some time in the Middle East. Sounds like the beginning of Indiana Jones's biography and a romantic fling with the Middle East for four or five years. It's like, hello. But I love the region and I love the culture. Yeah, all the photos you took. Yeah, you took some fantastic photos too. And it's funny because the day after,
01:04:51
Speaker
The day after I saw it, I went to, that was Sunday. No, I saw her on Sunday, went to work on Monday. I have all of my favorite holiday photos, cycling is my desktop background at work, just to remind me as to why the fuck I turn up to that place every day. It's to fund the next holiday. And it was one of my favorite panoramic shots of the deserts in Dubai.
01:05:16
Speaker
and the color and it was set and it was shot at sunset and the sun is the flaming globe on the horizon and it's this really dark orange yellow and it matched the movie's themes even though that shot was you know nothing like what they shot in the film. Cinematography for me was beautiful but it kind of really evoked that same feeling for me watching the movie
01:05:40
Speaker
The score, which we will talk about in a minute, really elicited that Middle Eastern theme a lot too. Cause it is in the same scale as Middle Eastern music for a lot of that film. So I'm going to go feed the cats while you guys talk about the score. Well, actually this is one of the first things I said to Dan when I talked about the score, I was just like, well look, you can't deny Hans Zimmer's done it again. Like that was, that was a brilliant score. There was, there was like, I got a bit sick of the, like the June, like,
01:06:11
Speaker
Like that kind of thing. I was just like, it's very Middle Eastern though. But yeah, but it also felt a bit Hollywood Middle Eastern. Like it absolutely was. Yeah, I know. But like to the, you have to connect the Western, obviously Western. I get that. It was just like, it felt a bit like on a bit on the nose, but I thought, but also the way that he, he did that score and I haven't gone back and listened to it, which I really should. I haven't done either a score and I really want to go back and just listen to the score without watching the film.
01:06:39
Speaker
And just listen to the, I really want to listen to the, like the sandworm, like movement parts as well. Um, I, I listened to, I listened to June part one's score on Sunday while I was, while I was working. That was good in the background, but then June part one had a lot more diversity in, in. Which is why I want to go back to the location part two for it's that one location. Totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I'll be right back. Sorry.
01:07:09
Speaker
Dan, your thoughts please, if you will. Yeah, no, my thoughts on the score are exactly the same. I loved it. I thought it was perfectly timed for the big epic moments.
01:07:20
Speaker
Uh, it didn't overpower anything when it wasn't meant to overpower anything. So for those, those gentle and more quiet scenes of conversation and things like that, it was, it was just, yeah, it settled into the background nicely without being obtrusive. Uh, and the, the big bombastic moments where the, the sandworms, the three sandworms, uh, in the final, in the final push and the final attack, I thought it was all timed perfectly. And.
01:07:49
Speaker
it did stand out at the time but i think also the the the qualities of a good and great score is something that doesn't separate itself from what you're watching and what you're experiencing so i think i think that that it blended in so masterfully is a credit to all those involved
01:08:11
Speaker
Was there, and you might remember it better than me, have a funny, was there a lack of score in the gladiator scene? There may have been. Yeah. Cause I think that's a really clever thing that a lot of, um, there's a lot of like.
01:08:27
Speaker
famous film fight moments where you don't realize at the time, but they just pull out a score. My favorite one is Balan's Tomb. The actual fight in Balan's Tomb when the orcs run in, they pull the score. There's no music. It leads up to the orcs jumping through the door, and then it goes completely silent except for swords clanging, arrows flying, and troll roaring. And I feel like they did the same thing
01:08:54
Speaker
With the issue noted it down but that's but that's that's exactly what i'm pointing to you can't you can't you can't remember you can remember that the school is great, you can't remember that there was, where was and where wasn't which makes makes me lean more to without wonderful overall film making news they're not.
01:09:14
Speaker
Well, it's that one of those things, there's absence of sound when you think about like, you know, you think about life and you don't have music playing your entire day when you're walking through. It'd be great if I had a full score playing as I went through my day, because it would be fantastic. But you know, oftentimes they're not, but it's when you have films like that, have those, you know, bombastic moments, as we say, and it's just, but to a complete lack of music to the point where you don't realize it, I think is really, that also adds to the cinematography of the scene.
01:09:40
Speaker
I mean, it's like a really nice mirroring, blending marriage of score and shooting the scene. Fuck, I wish I really could remember that. Maybe Peter will remember when he comes back. There's probably a quick little snippet of that fight scene on YouTube by now, so we'd probably be able to find out pretty quickly afterwards.
01:10:01
Speaker
But I mean, on that fight scene, I think all the choreography was excellent. I thought that fight between Faye Ruther and, um, or Ralph, whoever they say it, uh, and Paul was excellent as well as the, uh, the arena, the gladiator fight. Um, I thought that it was, it leads into something I want to talk about when we get to costuming. Um,
01:10:26
Speaker
And I guess it goes across all of the... Fuck it, I might as well go now. We can repeat it for Peter. Peter will come back in. He'll understand what we're talking about. Everything felt...
01:10:35
Speaker
Everything had this otherworldly feel to it, but it was so familiar to us. Like June is 10,000, set in 10,000 something, and that is our timeline. So it's our future. And it has this very familiar feel to it, but still otherworldly. The way that the anti-gravity belts worked for the SATA car and that, that where it was, it was a floating, but it was, it was something we'd seen. We've seen astronauts.
01:11:05
Speaker
They have to get that momentum. It's like an anti-grav feel. The, the, the las guns weren't traditional pew pew that we've seen in other sci-fi. They were, they felt otherworldly because they were a long extension, uh, laser rather than a, rather than a bolt. Well, a charge up rather than just a trigger.
01:11:24
Speaker
Yeah. Giddy, Giddy Prime was that otherworldly, but it had that, that Harken, sorry for the pun, Harken back to the, the, the gladiator fights of ancient Rome in the, in the Colosseum, like everything felt otherworldly and like things that like, and this leads into the costuming part I wanted to mention was,
01:11:45
Speaker
the costuming was, when you saw the Fremen walking around, they had very militaristic satuals and things like that. And there's at one point, it's a front on view of Paul, and he's just got this buckle on the front of his satchel, over the top of his cloak, and it's a very buckle that we recognize. But
01:12:08
Speaker
It's like, well, of course that buckle works. It's not something that's major. Why the fuck would it not exist in another 8,000 years time? Like it's functional. It works. It's not something that people would be devoting their time to re-engineering because it's a buckle that holds so familiar, but then otherworldly because it's then attached to a still suit and all that sort of stuff.
01:12:33
Speaker
And thinking about the house, like the house armor that people wore, like the House of Trades, like, uh, the, the Oscar Isaac's character in the first one, he felt like a real night suit of armor. Like it was very plate heavy. It was very like, it's layered and layered and layered. When you look at the Pauldrons.
01:12:53
Speaker
Yeah, but then you look at the armor that like the day to day kind of harken and soldiers wearing at the start of part two, it's, it's very astronauty ties in with the anti grav belts. But then you look at Batista and Butler as they're walking around as their characters. And it's very leather armory. It's very like,
01:13:14
Speaker
Even though he's a big dude, he still wears very mobile armor. Cause it's just like, that's kind of the style they fight in compared to Josh Brolin's character. Who's still like, I'm still wearing Pauldrons, but I'm now wearing like a weird smuggler version of it. He was wearing a fucking Han Solo outfit is what it was wearing. Well, I've talked to the first, the second kind of thing. Yeah. But then you look at, um, but yeah. And you think of, uh, Austin Butler, the, the character he plays, he was definitely wearing.
01:13:44
Speaker
The rogue, like, stabber, like the thief kind of armor. It was almost like, you hate to say D&D, but a little bit D&D in terms of the way they think it, which is, but it works. It makes sense. Paul was, you know, he was a scout. There's nothing else to it. He was a scout and he wore scout armor compared to- His camouflage and everything that blends into his desert environment.
01:14:08
Speaker
Whereas Javier Bardem's character was more of a heavy scout. So he, you know, wore a bit more armor because he's seen a bit more action. Yeah, I think it was very, very clever costuming to just add those little elements into, you know,
01:14:25
Speaker
It's, it's, I harken back to some of the best costuming I always do is Lord of the Rings. And it's just like, they look like they should for the factions they're playing for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Functional within their role. It's actually putting some thought into everyone, like everyone around them is kind of thing. And then the, the emperor's guard. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:47
Speaker
And the otherworldly, and this kept rolling into my mind every time I saw something new within the film that was, did have that otherworldly element to it, is the next book, film, it starts to go a little buck wild with the weird shit. So they needed to make things feel grounded, but they needed to start introducing those, yes, you understand this, but you know what?
01:15:16
Speaker
some weird shit to come. So you need to feel like you don't quite understand their environment as well. And I think that was a bit portrayed with Giddy Prime and the black and white, like you, you recognize it, but it's, it's something you haven't seen before because what you're about to see, that's some next level shit.
01:15:38
Speaker
To me, it's very random thought that probably ties into cinematography and costuming and story, to be honest. To me, the the Fremen.
01:15:51
Speaker
parallels to the Aiel in Wheel of Time was really interesting. Wheel of Time, there is a people that live in the threefold land, which is basically a nuclear desert, which you find out kind of middle of the way through the books that would sit in the future of Earth. And there was a nuclear Holocaust and they basically live in the deserts that you would imagine fallout being set in, really. And the whole
01:16:20
Speaker
the reverence given to water and the waters of life. And when people die, you draw the water out of the body and their soul goes into the well. Those sorts of things. And to spit on the ground was a sign of great respect in the first movie. Really, to me, Robert Jordan stole a hell of a lot from the Fremen for Wheel of Time to pick the AEL.
01:16:48
Speaker
And probably took it a step further in a good way, probably kind of like to me, he kind of evolved that idea a little further. But the costuming, just tying it back to the point, the costuming for them was perfect. And it's exactly how I pictured the ale in the Wheel of Time series. They're in earthen tone, light.
01:17:10
Speaker
Cotton kind of wraps in a lot of those scenes and those cloaks looked very lightweight. They were they were camouflaged, but they were they weren't heavy.
Symbolism & Thematic Elements
01:17:21
Speaker
And then even when they when they had the dead wrapped in cotton in white cotton was very Islamic.
01:17:28
Speaker
To me, there was a lot of connection there, which goes back to the whole Middle Eastern tone. I thought the costuming was because I came in late because I had to feed the fucking cats. I thought the costuming was fucking bang on all the way through. Even the recurring theme of Paul Atreides seal ring as a recurring symbol and of costuming of it being a representation of him putting away who he used to be.
01:17:53
Speaker
and then taking it back out towards the end of the film and reminding himself of who he needs to be regardless of who he thinks he actually is. Yeah. And that's a stark contrast to his coke cloak colour choice, which was very on the nose and a bit kind of eye rolly.
01:18:10
Speaker
Yeah. So it's funny you mentioned water, Pete. That was one of the two other things that I alluded to before that I don't- You didn't like? No, not that I didn't like. I don't think they put enough emphasis on. They didn't put enough emphasis on the importance of the water. They spoke about it and they tried to give it some importance. But, I mean, the sieches are all sealed. They have moisture seals on the doors. Like, we didn't see a moisture seal and it would have- No.
01:18:38
Speaker
The sieches were open. They were quite open to the elements and they're not like that. Like they talk about Paul and Jessica for the first time walking into the siech and the smell of people who are living in there in still, well, they don't wear still suits inside, but the sweat and the body odor because of the moisture needs to be trapped within because any drop. Would have been quite humid.
01:19:00
Speaker
Yeah. Anything that's let out is wastage and they don't waste water. They really talk about stillsuit etiquette and always wearing your mask and nose plug. They fucking never wore their masks in. No, they really didn't. I get it because portraying facial emotions and. We talked about that when we were talking about Iron Man way back in the day. And getting and emoting through a mask and act as a vein and they don't want their faces covered either. But the stillsuit etiquette is one of the things that is.
01:19:30
Speaker
that is really spoken about. The only other thing is I had to ask Louise on the way home, what did she glean from she doesn't know anything. She only knows what I fill in for external extra information was I said to her,
01:19:51
Speaker
I need an outside point of view on this. Did you understand the importance of spice in the universe? You asked me the same question. I think Louise and I had the same answer. Yeah. No. Yeah. She didn't get the how important the spice is. The house breeding thing seemed more important than water and spice to me. Yeah.
01:20:13
Speaker
Yeah, if I go back to the 82 film. Why do the David Lynch one? Yeah. Why would you? Because very specifically the one scene that they do not include in the new June part one movie.
01:20:28
Speaker
that they did include in the original June movie was the space gilder, who is a human who has been so corrupted by spice that he can see all possible futures and pasts and can translocate through the universe. And he's a disgusting fucking worm creature.
01:20:48
Speaker
Yeah, and that gave gravity to how powerful spice can be because it has such a such an impossible physical effect on the human body and this is a this is a universe where there are lots of planets full of
01:21:04
Speaker
people, but they're actually none of them are aliens. They're all human and they've just have a divergent evolutionary course. He doesn't even describe a navigator until June Messiah and Paul and Leto actually have the conversation in the book when they're leaving Caledon because Paul says, do you think we'll get to see a navigator? And Leto's like,
01:21:30
Speaker
No, they are a secret held behind the Spacing Guild. You'll get to see the frontman of the Spacing Guild. And he talks about it and he talks about the importance of actually not seeing the navigators. But yeah, and that seemed a bit of a bit of a cop out, not a cop out, but it was one of those dodges by Frank Herbert saying, hey, this is how space travel works, but I don't know what this looks like yet. What they look like yet.
01:21:59
Speaker
And it's not until Messiah does he actually describe one in the tank of orange spice mist in the fish-like features that they have. And he then describes what you just said, they are an evolutionary arm of humanity.
Break & Beer Review
01:22:20
Speaker
I know we're not reviewing a second beer, but I've got one. You can pick because you've been a very good boy and you can review one. I'm not going to give it a full review, but I've got to say this is an outstanding fucking beer. Just give it a full review. Go on, mate. This is Brick Lane's Last Train Home, which is part three of the trilogy of Fear from last year. It's described as an Oud Imperial Stout at 11%.
01:22:46
Speaker
So I'm going to be a bit slurry if we don't wrap this up soon. It's got a big straw coming in its mouth into a ball and it just, you know, touches you on the thing. It's got the imperial stout body that you would expect, but it is the most peppery.
01:23:01
Speaker
Turkish Delight beer that I have ever tasted. Someone tell my father he'll be right on it. It's so bizarre because it's candy, but it's rosewater candy that perfumed Turkish Delight and so much goddamn pepper. Like it's overwhelmingly peppercorn.
01:23:21
Speaker
It's really fucking good. You had me at pepper. You lost me at Turkish delight. Peter would definitely have been tempted into Narnia with his love of Turkish. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the guy with the Mr. Thomas is yeah. All those weird vibes. That was the whistle that I was doing. The dual recorder. Yeah. Um, yes. Last bit special effects. Yeah. Which I think
01:23:47
Speaker
I thought it was outstanding. Some of the best I've seen in a long time.
Special Effects & Filmmaking Techniques
01:23:51
Speaker
Yeah. That fight around the, well, the several times we got up close with the harvester, uh, I thought that was great. I, I thought that made some really clever choices to use. I did have to remind, remind one of the guys I saw it with about how the shields work. Like, no, no, no. The rocket just can't go through.
01:24:09
Speaker
I still bar up at the shot where they in the invasion of the main city and that that fucking nuke that drops down and worms its way into the shield and then you have this. The ship shaped explosion oh god it just fucking gets me every time I did that exactly same thing with the thopter this time. But.
01:24:31
Speaker
We're at a point, you know, and I've been watching a lot of corridor crew. Yeah, I don't know why I always want to call it something else, but it's corridor crew. The inventiveness that they needed 20 to 40 years ago, because we're getting fucking old and some of our films are like the original June movies, 40 years old, somewhere in that range.
01:24:52
Speaker
Back then to pull off the special effects required inventiveness, ingeniousness, bending the rules, inventing technology, the Star Wars movies with the rails, even for the fucking intro credits or the intro sequence.
01:25:08
Speaker
you know, was it was basically a miniature train set with a camera on it. The original June, one of the best shots, because I recently watched the corridor crew comparing the old to the new June. The original shot where they had to build a 10 foot tall scaffolding and a miniature ship set with a cut out in the middle so that they could have like a 200 meter away scene of actual actors and it seamlessly blending together.
01:25:36
Speaker
And yet these days the special effects like really the way that we interpret special effects today in terms of their quality is was it did it have weight because it's kind of the last piece is the uncanny valley when it comes to humans and then the the weight and momentum and the feeling of is it physically there is the hardest part to capture in 3D graphics and I think
01:26:03
Speaker
this movie absolutely nails it in terms of state of the art of what 3D graphics needs to look like in it or special effects needs to look like in a movie because it's seamless. I agree. Yeah, I'll back that.
01:26:22
Speaker
I don't know how else we could cover that. You did a pretty damn good job of that one. Ed, sorry. I mean, this is all my talking. No, that's good. I think going to Tom, not originally, just like the complaint you had about the brightness and the sand. I mean, everything done in daylight, they say, is much harder. But I think because they had such a consistent palette across machinery, clothing, when you're on June itself, when you're on Arrakis,
01:26:50
Speaker
that they were consistent across the board with how they chose to represent colors and machinery and everything like that. So when something else came into the scene, nothing felt out of place. You could have the harvester, but it felt like it
01:27:05
Speaker
belongs there because it looks like it had been there for a thousand years. Until it didn't need to belong there, like the Emperor's ship, which looked so out of place. But it was meant to. That's what I'm saying, in a really good way. You knew it didn't belong there and it felt
01:27:22
Speaker
Like he was an interloper to the situation. And that's the thing. It's got almost like the complaint that we had about the Furiosa trailer where it was too shiny and not dirty enough. But this was done the way we wanted that to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That was beautiful chrome in the sky and, you know, all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
01:27:42
Speaker
as much as I think fucking our mate Denny nailed this movie. And I really do think he did. Your mate, I like him. So you two can walk around with that, stick up your ass about him as long as you want. If Denny Villanoo walked into this room right now, I would headbutt him without hesitation.
01:28:03
Speaker
I think. Not because of anything he's done, just because of things he said, which were wankers. Yeah, exactly. And I love his art. He's very talented. Danny Villanue is very talented. I can't stand his attitude towards his customers. And we're seeing so many echoes in the industry right now of,
01:28:20
Speaker
of having that disdain and disrespect towards your customers and the impacts that it's having. I love his craft though. He's a fucking spectacular director and I think he nailed it for this movie. I just think some of the comments are terrible. But obviously going against someone like Schneider, obviously one either knows how to execute what he's doing or
Film's Impact & Rewatchability
01:28:45
Speaker
definitely leans into the people around him and listens to- Danie knows his content though, like you can tell- Yes, but I think he also listens to people. Yeah, I'm not disagreeing, but you can feel the respect for the source content in his movie.
01:29:04
Speaker
which is the complete opposite effect from fucking Snyder. What I was going to say is, I also have to give mad props to a guy who probably, I think he died 20 years ago, but Frank Herbert created an absolutely believable culture out of nothing.
01:29:23
Speaker
The whole Fremen people, the way that they live is a extreme version of anything that you would ever see on Earth. It takes, it clearly takes a lot of content from Muslim tribes in the Middle East.
01:29:40
Speaker
He does something completely different and he does craft that towards the story that he wants to tell in a way that he absolutely nails. And for a fucking white American guy to be doing that while on a plane that made him think he was flying over dunes that made him think about all the sand dunes and he wrote a book on that image alone. He just did a fucking bang up job. To me, we're only in March.
01:30:07
Speaker
But I reckon it's going to be a serious contender for movie the year for me. I walked out of that cinema, pissed off with Denis because of what a fucking great job he did in that movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely up there. And it definitely deserves awards. I'm not denying that. As I said to you both, it's just I probably won't watch it again. And it's the same with June 1. It just hasn't got that hold on me. And that's not a fault of the film.
01:30:37
Speaker
be honest, it's probably a fault on me more than anything, but it just, it, the, the story hasn't grabbed courses and courses, man. Yeah. It hasn't grabbed me as much as, as other people. And look, if you're one of those people who's going to go out and watch that every other weekend, I hope you have the fucking time of your life watching it again. Cause it was, I'm very glad I saw it, but I won't, I won't go to see it again. Um, compared to if we're sitting on Snyder, cause why not? Cause we've already shit on him. I regret watching rebel moon.
01:31:07
Speaker
We're only a month away from the next movie. So I'm waiting for my neighbour to be away on a weekend so I can watch part one again and fucking crank my stereo. I definitely want to put my nice headphones on and listen to the soundtrack again. Because it's one of the few movies where the soundscape really does
01:31:31
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Add something to the movie that you don't get if you take that soundscape away. Peter, you missed this question, but I know you might remember it or not. Did the, the, the gladiator fight. Do you remember if that had a soundtrack binded or not? Had music behind the fight. Pretty sure it did. Yeah. We would, uh, we were just talking about earlier, which you missed that I, I thought I, for some reason I've remembered it as it goes silent, which I, it's one of those things that I fucking love when they do that in a film, like a really good fight scene. They just cut all music. But yeah, I was just wondering if you remember it or not.
01:32:01
Speaker
I think it did. We'll find out later. We'll report back in another episode, but yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll be watching it again. Yes. If you guys watch it again and don't take note of that, then. I definitely will. If you go and see the cinemas, let me know because I will make the trek out to the Wild Wild West. I won't be seeing it at cinemas. Okay. Well, we'll wait for it to come out and buy it.
01:32:27
Speaker
Excellent. Well, I think that's us. Yeah. Just one other thing that Villeneuve mentioned was he had to make a choice whether it was going to be a Benny Jesuit story, a story about the Mentats, which doesn't, they don't exist in, well, very, very, very little in the second one. There was no Mentat in the second one. The Harkon and the guys analyzing the map, they would have been Mentats.
01:32:53
Speaker
Yeah, the one that got skull fucked by. Yeah, they would have been Mentats, but there was no, like, Thruthwick never comes back into it and he's back into it in the book. I was waiting for the guy from, was it Sequest DS9 or CSV? Was it the actor that was in the full motion video in the June game as a Mentat for Paula Trades?
01:33:21
Speaker
Oh, he wasn't, he wasn't a TV actor of the day. Jonathan, Jonathan Reese Davies was in, um, was in the game. Davies Gimli. Is that, I always get him. He was in the game. He was the main, I don't know whether he was a mentor. You're named the worm, Indy.
01:33:40
Speaker
Oh, yes. I think that is the guy that I was thinking of. Actually, he was a lot skinnier when he was eight. He was probably a fucking teenager in that game. Thirty years ago. Because I'm pretty sure the original June game was one of the very first games, other than Wing Commander, that had full motion video fucking cut scenes. Anyway, sorry.
01:34:02
Speaker
Yeah, no. So just, just saying they, that's why they were missing because a villain who said it had to be a Bene Jesuit story because they're, they're the primary players. So he had to cut the, the other factions. Um, so that's one of his favorite characters, isn't it? That that's the other thing he said about that. Like he was really regretful for having to cut it, but it made sense more for the story. Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't hear that part, but yeah.
01:34:25
Speaker
There's one character who's like, I really regret cutting this character from part two because they're actually one of my favorites, but it made more sense story wise. It was probably a 33 car. Yeah. The Atreides mindset. It's going to be cool in the next movie to see the other houses and how culturally different they are.
01:34:48
Speaker
Because there's some really cool shit in some of those other houses. The Tele Lexu face dancers, they come into it in Messiah. So, yeah, it's, yeah. The TV miniseries really didn't do any of them justice. No. The June Messiah? No, the June was a three-part. Children of June was the two-part. Children of June. Yeah, so they skipped something. They include, they combined Messiah and Children of June.
01:35:15
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. I think that's us. Cool. Yep. An hour and a half. Well done. Thank you very much for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, please like and subscribe. We appreciate all of your support. Thank you. Bye. Good night.