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EC3 Declares Prima Nocta & Makes Braun Strowman Cry
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This week Chris and Garrett watched the second Control Your Narrative show. EC3 calls prima nocta and makes Braun Strowman cry?
Note: there were some mic issues on Garrett's end sorry for the quality this week.
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Transcript
Introductions and Pronunciations
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, Chris Migliaccio, or ads. Did I say that right? Did I get it right? The G is kind of silent, which is...
00:00:48
Speaker
Really confusing because it's much easier to say MiGs and not like mills, but. And that's secretly why I've always just said MiGs, not just because it's your Instagram handle. I'm like, I'm going to fuck up his name if I try and say it in full. And here we are. Here we are. This makes it seem like we don't even know each other.
Tony Khan's Wrestling Decisions
00:01:08
Speaker
You know, we just haven't had the chance for me to explain Italian grammar rules to you, Garrett. I wanted to say, and with me as always, Chris Migliaccio, or as Chris Pratt would say in the new Mario movie, Chris Migliaccio. It's a me. I am not surrounded by muffins today. I've honestly like, I've cooled down a little. Like I've chilled out.
00:01:38
Speaker
I don't know, are you mad? Are you more angry at Tony Khan this week? You were like, you didn't seem too mad last week. I mean, I was kind of annoyed at Tony Khan. I mean, at the very least this week we found out that he's not Al Bark and he has some bite himself because Ace Steel is fired. Did he do it though? Ace, I need to see you in my office. But there's just like,
00:02:05
Speaker
a cage between them, there is some sort of barrier where a steal cannot get to Tony Khan. Well, again, we know when this man gets mad, he throws chairs and bites people. I'm wondering though, I feel like Tony Khan needs a side, maybe, see, that's what he could use Big Cass for. Big Cass is the bad news deliverer.
00:02:35
Speaker
Here's the thing, I don't think Ace steals afraid to bite Big Cass. Yeah, but Big Cass will kick him. And again, he's dime store Sid. We'll give him some scissors. It'll be fine. Didn't we see Big Cass cry a lot though?
Control Your Narrative Show
00:02:50
Speaker
Do you remember that NXT TV series?
00:02:54
Speaker
It ran on the WWE network where it was kind of a reality show following some of the guys in the background. It was incredible if you didn't watch it. Did he cry as much as Braun Strowman in that control your narrative that we watched? God damn it, guys. Friday night, Chris and I controlled our narratives again.
00:03:20
Speaker
It's a step up, man. Like I am, I'm hurting that Braun Strowman left this promotion. He left us with some gold. It did. It was better than the first one. Um, there was still a very long EC3 monologue at the top because they were, there was someone, I think it was Jake Logan who they were like dragging through the streets.
00:03:44
Speaker
And then he was like, I want an opportunity.
EC3's Controversial Comments
00:03:46
Speaker
And they had him tied up. And easy three gave a very long monologue about what this guy needed in his life. And if he was really committed, including a point, uh, where he said, um, are you ready for someone to like sleep with your wife? Which seemed to imply to us that the easy three has prima noctare on anyone, anyone's wife in control, your narrative, maybe why things aren't going so well.
00:04:14
Speaker
I don't think he discriminates, though. He sleeps with everyone's significant others. It's Perros. It doesn't matter who. It is a power thing. It isn't a sex thing. It is to dominate your employees. I actually think Vince McMahon had pre-monocta. I think that was in contracts. And there were certain wrestlers that didn't. I think Sergeant Slaughter didn't love that.
00:04:44
Speaker
Yeah, that's, I mean, that makes sense for Vince. That makes a lot of sense for Vince. That's, I mean, some percentage of the hush money is just people who wanted to come forward about the Prima Noctar. There is a, like, somebody is going through this and Triple H is like, what is the Prima Nocta fund? There's so much money in here.
00:05:14
Speaker
that's he found he found that fund and was like we never needed to fire the good brothers we could have just kept them all that's where that's why they hired back brown strowman and the good brothers and bray Wyatt they just they found all this money they've been sitting on that's amazing i love this tony con would never call primon octa no it just does not seem
00:05:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to specifically comment on he just that just doesn't seem like his vibe. No, no, no, no. Like that at all.
AEW Critiques and Commentary
00:05:48
Speaker
I mean, his vibe to me is timid, timid cocaine guy. Yeah, he's the he's the kind of guy in high school you'd like be like, OK with dating your sister because you know that there's no way he would pull a move.
00:06:06
Speaker
He's just too polite. Just too polite and a little scared. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't know. So after actually just going back to last week for just a moment and how angry I was. Did you happen to see how how angry Uncle Dave got?
00:06:26
Speaker
Uncle Dave finally had unkind words for Mr. Khan. Well, yeah, he was he was pretty pissed. I actually listened to that. He was really pissed about them not coming forward and talking about all of the really, really basically the brawl out stuff where he just did not have not been forthcoming. And he was like, basically, no one would do this. He was like, New Japan would tells you when someone's got a fucking cold and announces changes to the card.
00:06:50
Speaker
You know, you got to be better than this Tony Khan, like a disappointed dad, or maybe uncle, maybe he's Uncle Dave. He's just a disappointed uncle. He's for sure Uncle Dave. Yeah. He's sitting in his, honest, like if he were on Sesame Street, he's certainly Oscar the Grouch in this, just surrounded by garbage in his little room.
00:07:09
Speaker
And well, and then of course they casually this week on Dynamite last night, they casually just started mentioning the elite and showing CM Punk in video packages again. It's like nothing happened. Okay. So I did miss like the first three minutes of the show. You had texted me and said they had mentioned the elite again. In what context did they just, they were like, they were real. In the context of the six man tag team titles.
00:07:37
Speaker
that the elite had won the titles at all out. That they did. They did. They did. They were vacated by the elite. That was true. And then when they did the ROH champion montage, punk was one of them. Okay. I showed a picture of him. I don't know. It's just bizarre. Like if this were any other sport
00:08:02
Speaker
They'd kind of like tell you, they'd say something. They would acknowledge to the fans that a thing happened. That has not happened here. And you're pissing off Uncle Dave, guys. Don't piss off Uncle Dave. Yeah, what has he ever done to you besides give you seven stars for matches? I don't think he's ever said an unkind thing about, I mean, he probably has rated something on dark five stars. I'm not sure he's done that. Maybe one of the early dark matches, I don't know.
00:08:31
Speaker
Not recently.
Control Your Narrative Show Changes
00:08:33
Speaker
I mean, he's not keeping up with that either. No, no one's. Come on. He's seen a lot of wrestling, but even he has stuff to do.
00:08:43
Speaker
Like that's going to the bank time. He doesn't need that. He does. He's paper. He's got to go. He's got to go balance his checkbook and write some paper checks and pick up some new copies and, you know, print out issues of The Observer to mail to people, you know. OK, so do you want to keep talking about control of your narrative? I mean, we watched an entire show. Yeah. And really,
00:09:12
Speaker
The matches were fine. It's still that weird cut scene thing from the first one, but I don't know. It seemed a little bit better. Maybe they were slightly longer, and so there were fewer of them, which was slightly less annoying, I guess. But I think two things really stuck out. Number one, Daddy Magic and Cool Hand And were up in the balcony like Statler and Waldorf.
00:09:39
Speaker
commenting after every match and it was legitimately one of the best things I've seen on a wrestling show in a long time. They should just do that for AEW. Yeah, that was something I've never seen in any wrestling and it seemed like with this show
00:09:59
Speaker
They must have heard some sort of complaints or at least read the comment section on an internet thread of people who had watched the first show. It was humorless. There was no joy in this show.
00:10:13
Speaker
Right. And, and to be clear again, the narrator did at one point call a match a violent ballet with physicality and competition. So, I mean, there's not a total like self-awareness here, but the daddy magic and cool hand edge of it all did suggest that they had some self-awareness. Yeah, absolutely. It.
00:10:35
Speaker
Even just these 30 second clips of them busting the wrestlers balls or just making fun of the idea of this show altogether changed everything for
City Comparisons and Cultural Jokes
00:10:47
Speaker
me. It actually, it transformed matches that I can't tell you a thing about a single one of those matches to be honest.
00:10:56
Speaker
But I can tell you I did enjoy watching the show because Chris, I see your brain working. Are you thinking back to those specific matches to see if there's anything that stuck out? Yeah. I remember Jervis Cottonbelly did some things. That was interesting. Oh, he got good at my Pero. Right. That was interesting. I have vague recollections of that. I feel like we felt the EC3 versus Braun match was tolerable.
00:11:23
Speaker
It was kind of violent. It was pretty violent. I think that's what we were called was like, wow, that felt more violent than we thought it would get.
00:11:29
Speaker
And then I remember like EC3 stuck around for a really long time. Like he was the last guy to leave the building. He, I believe he mopped the floors. He left the, they were at that GCW venue, I think in Philly. Well, no, I don't think it was. I think we found out though. No, it was in Florida, I think. Oh, no, you're right. They were, it's, I don't know. It claimed that they were at the one that No Peace Underground.
00:11:55
Speaker
does their shows at, the death mat shows. But God, it really looked like that one in Philly that's,
00:12:02
Speaker
that GCW ran, because they had that bar right next to the ring. I don't know. Look, I think you said it, and then I thought they were out shots outside, and I was like, I've spent a lot of time in Philadelphia. I went to college in Philadelphia. You're right. That's Philadelphia. And then at the end credits, we realized, no, that's Florida. And just from the bottom of my heart, I want to apologize to the entire city of Philadelphia for confusing Florida with you.
00:12:29
Speaker
Um, which is worse though? Philadelphia, Orlando, Orlando. Are you sure? Orlando has Epcot. Philadelphia has cheesesteaks and like the best dive bars in the country. You telling me that I can't walk around the world at Epcot and get a cheese steak. There's not a Philly section of Epcot. It's not going to be good.
00:12:58
Speaker
It's gonna, you know what? I disagree. Some kid's gonna be screaming at you. If it's two in the morning and you're at whichever one of Pat's and Geno's isn't racist, I can never remember. I always have to double check. There's not gonna be a kid running around disrupting your cheesesteak eating.
00:13:17
Speaker
How do you double check? Do you walk up to both windows holding a photo of somebody in a minority group and just see what is said back? I think you can Google it. My Philly friends remember. I think it's Genos. I think Pat's is the good one. I think Pat's is the good one. Allegedly. Allegedly.
00:13:35
Speaker
But Philly also really does have the best, that's why I like, it's great that GCW, I would love to see a GCW show in that bar at some point. I would go to a settlement series show in that bar if they, if that's what they, but I think they're running all of them in Jersey, but yeah, I just love Philly dive bars. They're the fucking best. Actually, I got very kind of sad news today. The owner of the dive bar we used to go into in college passed away.
00:14:01
Speaker
Yeah, he apparently he created a homey atmosphere. And I know this because in college, we used to call that bar home. Oh, we spent so much time there. That's a is it was it one of those kind of bars that you had a mug on the wall? Like you were enough of a regular that you had your own Stein? No, no, but
00:14:23
Speaker
It was, it was just kind of cheap enough that we could like, literally, first of all, we could walk there from campus, which was very important because no one was capable of driving back. Um, we could, you could kind of go to like a back way out, out to Haverford campus and up through like suburban side streets up to this bar. Um, and, uh, and like literally like on a Saturday night, a pitcher of beer was $4.
00:14:51
Speaker
which is kind of incredible. And it was yinling, I want to point out, which is still delicious, much better than anything else anyone would serve you at $4 a pitcher.
00:15:00
Speaker
You were able to get yingling in New York? Oh, this was Pennsylvania. I actually didn't even know it was in Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah, I guess you were just talking about Pennsylvania. Yeah, and it's very like, that's basically the, it's brewed in Pennsylvania. It's like, that's the Pennsylvania beer. It's like you just, if you're in Pennsylvania, yingling is just basically freely available. I guess I just assumed that was a Southern thing.
00:15:26
Speaker
No, yeah, it's like it's brewed in Pennsylvania. It gets down, it gets into like the minute, like right into the South, like Maryland, Virginia. Yeah, it's in
Wrestling Apps and Streaming Challenges
00:15:35
Speaker
Tennessee. Like that is a beer that we typically, we have some friends back in Illinois that like it a lot. So we always grab a case and take it home. Good for them. You have friends with good taste, Garrett.
00:15:49
Speaker
Speaking of friends, I've got my new Hardway Heater hoodie on. It just came in the mail today. I will tell you whoever is printing these, these boys, it is a handsome hoodie. I like this. I got a couple of them. 25 bucks for a hoodie. Very reasonable, very reasonable. But if you are going on to order this, this bad boy, just a heads up. They run small. This is an extra large. I wish I had ordered two sizes up, to be honest. Oh, okay.
00:16:15
Speaker
So it's a little tight, but I like the way it looks and I support my friend. He actually just had his match. The KOBK guys had their show last week. I turned on IWTV to try and watch it today. Not there. This app is insane to me and I never know how to find anything on it.
00:16:36
Speaker
What, and look, they, they got to step it up because, uh, pro wrestling TV is completely free. Um, it's got control here, narrative warrior wrestling, women's wrestling army and triple A. Um, now here's the one downside to the prowrestling.tv app that I think I have to point out. Which go, go download it. If you're hearing this again, it's free and there does seem to be a lot of very good wrestling on there. Obviously because it's free, it's ad supported.
00:17:06
Speaker
Um, a lot of the ads repeat. Um, I saw an ad for men's warehouse in Spanish 17 times in one day. What were you, were you watching triple A that they're like, well, obviously no, no, I was, I started watching the episodes of women's wrestling army. I was sort of interested in that and I was, you know, um,
00:17:33
Speaker
and they just kept feeding me this ad. Over and over again. I wish more of these streamers weren't as intuitive and just guess your age, gender, and ethnicity and just throw anything at you. So that's actually a pretty good lineup of stuff on this app. When did it launch? I didn't know about it until you brought it up the other day. No clue.
00:18:02
Speaker
That's so bizarre. I mean, those people must be making some money. Warrior Wrestling's got some pretty damn good cards.
00:18:13
Speaker
They must be making money if they aren't just putting it on like IWTV or, I mean, is Eyespot still a thing? I think it's still a thing. Yeah, I learned about it because MLW, well, I think I'd heard the name before, but then MLW is going to be putting Fusion up there, which, I mean, you can find MLW, I don't know, basically everywhere. So I don't know if that's a big selling point for the app. But yeah, and so I was like, I clicked the link and I was like, oh, wait a minute, this is free.
00:18:42
Speaker
Maybe I thought it was paid? I don't know. I really have no idea what I was thinking about this app that they should get the word out because it's, again, it's very free and it's good. They had TNT Extreme, I think, as well. So I think they've got some of the GCW guys in England.
00:19:00
Speaker
Oh, nice. Well, I will say with, I have mostly, I have three TVs, two of them have Apple TV, one has a fire stick. And on the fire stick went upstairs, I go to IWTV and I'm trying to find circle six.
00:19:16
Speaker
Again, so I put in circle six and I have to speak it into the thing when I do it because it's not actually searching anything. I say circle six and it brought up some Oregon public access radio channel and that played and never gave me wrestling.
00:19:36
Speaker
and never found that. And then when I finally was able to play IWTV, who is the lady that speaks through Amazon? Is that Alexa? Alexa, yeah. Yeah, Alexa. You can name her anything you want. Oh, okay. Well, I might have to change her name. Every time I'd click to fast forward, she would say, I cannot perform that function.
00:20:00
Speaker
So basically, fire TV is like, oh, you will be watching the show start to finish or you will not be watching it at all.
00:20:09
Speaker
Um, so I don't know. Then I come downstairs, try and I don't fucking do these apps or shit. Is that better on it? Cause the, yeah, it's one of the things I don't like about IWTV on the fire stick is it's incredibly hard to fast forward. Like you can kind of do it, but it's like 10 second increments in fucking second increments. If you do it on the Apple TV, you can just scroll back and forth at your.
00:20:31
Speaker
Your leisure. Oh, I did notice, by the way, though, just speaking of these apps while we're down this rabbit hole, I watched a little bit of New Japan this week and it does appear that there are time stamps. Like, I don't know if you ever noticed before, if you like fast forward it on a New Japan world on the apps, like the time would just sort of bear no relation to anything. They seem to have fixed that.
00:20:53
Speaker
Oh, that's nice of them. They're like, well, somebody behind the scenes is like, while we're watching the same match for the 400th time during the pandemic, maybe I can fix this timestamp thing. During the 300th tag match involving Desperado and Tomowaki Hanma, they were just like, I'm good. I think we can do this. I don't think I need to pay attention to this. I'm going to fix this other thing. Yeah, maybe.
Braun Strowman's Emotional Promo
00:21:24
Speaker
Honestly, these app problems is what Braun Strowman was crying about in controlling your narrative. I really did want to get back there because he sobbed. So there's a scene in the bar where Braun and EC3 are talking and they're talking about the things and the man who's done things to you, which is clearly Vince McMahon.
00:21:44
Speaker
And he, Braun is sobbing so hard, like so incredibly hard that I think we spent a lot of time trying to figure out what on earth he was crying about. And I think our expectation was that, my first guess was that he saw Vince's doll and that did it for him.
00:22:07
Speaker
He's not crying because it's huge. He's crying because it's weird. It's unlike anything he's ever seen. It's bright red and a little curly, kind of like a cat penis. It is also barbed. I liked, but Jared, I liked your interpretation of what he might be crying about.
00:22:28
Speaker
What did I, I actually don't remember what I said, to be honest. Too many drinks and sleep deprivation. Your belief was that it involved seeing Randy Orton's poop. Oh my God. He was just thinking back to that time that Randy Orton shit in his bag. And there's nothing he could do about it because he was a rookie. And you gotta let Randy assault you like this is a fraternity.
00:22:59
Speaker
He had to watch him take that poop, and it was a weird color. It's the color of a man who only had coffee and cigarettes for breakfast. It's like, how is he pooping purple? How does that even make sense? What goes through his body that makes that color? He ate 12 Gogurts. He ate 12 Gogurts, and that's...
00:23:29
Speaker
That's how we got there. 12 Go Gerts coffee and cigarettes. That's all that goes in the record.
00:23:38
Speaker
See, that should be, on this show, we should start taking bets on things that are gonna happen in pro wrestling and start dishing out punishments to those who lose the bet.
Humorous Concert Punishment Idea
00:23:48
Speaker
So that one of us does have to smoke a pack of cigarettes and eat 12 Gogurt's. Or honestly, I've had this in my head for weeks and I keep meaning to bring it up just because I want somebody to do this.
00:24:02
Speaker
I don't think any of the punishments have to be wrestling related even. Are you familiar with the butt rock band Five Finger Death Punch? I'm aware of the name because when you hear the name Five Finger Death Punch, you don't ever forget that. I think I'm thinking in terms of songs, I think as I'm thinking about their songs, I'm thinking about Finger Eleven songs. So I probably don't know them very well.
00:24:31
Speaker
Um, I think I actually can think of a finger 11 song off the top of my head. I think, uh, I can't think of a five finger death punch song, but I can look at a photo of them and I hear it by just seeing. I don't need to hear it, but they are like a butt rock metal band.
00:24:49
Speaker
and they are currently on tour with a pop country act named Brantley Gilbert, a co-headline, metal and pop country together. And to me, these are two acts that military wives love. And I think it would be a very bad time to go, and this is a punishment to somebody. I want somebody I know to go to this and report back. But I think part of the punishment would be you have to hit on at least one military wife.
00:25:22
Speaker
I'm not gonna condone that. I'm not Randy, I'm not, I was gonna say Randy, or I'm not EC3. You don't have to take other people's significant others. At least one of them is divorced, come on. You can try and find the divorced one, it's okay. What does she look like? She's got blonde hair, very blonde hair, down exactly to her shoulders. Her jeans are bedazzled.
00:25:48
Speaker
Very aggressively bedazzled. Does affliction make t-shirts for women? I think they do, but I think they're past that. I do think the affliction thing may be over, but their shirt is also bedazzled, I think. Okay, yeah. You're describing people,
00:26:14
Speaker
I know, I mean, you're describing people I could walk down to Broadway that are at Kid Rock's big ass honky tonk as we speak. See, here I think is the interesting question. You can tell who they're there for by the shoes they wear. If they're there for Brantley Gilbert, it's cowboy boots. If they're there for Five Finger Death Punch, they brought out their pair of Converse. Okay, so I think what the bet is, is we do a Braun Strowman meet and greet.
00:26:45
Speaker
And we ask him, what were you thinking about to work up that many tears? Like it seemed like you were only supposed to cry a little bit and you accidentally cried a lot a bit. I wish we could describe his feud. He's not like it in context, right? You'd think he'd be like working up a tear, right? Like that's what you think. You'd be like, OK, there's a silent tear falling down. I called the Ben Affleck tear like in a movie where like
00:27:14
Speaker
you know, he turns to the camera and there's just one single tear going down the cheek. Right, but he's aggressively sobbing. Like, waterworks flowing. Like, the way that, I mean, quite frankly, most of us only cry in the shower that hard. I mean, really, it was just... And as he's crying, he's not talking, keep in mind. EC3 is actively, like, giving him one of his 10-minute monologues.
00:27:43
Speaker
Think about what Bray Wyatt used to do in WWE where he just like, hey man, and then just like nonsense for 10 minutes. And then like the crowds, this is the opposite. He's just monologuing nonsense. Braun Strowman, a man who looks like he's never cried before. EC3 broke him, broke him. He hasn't even thought yet. This is him convincing him to come fight. And all he did was make him weep.
00:28:10
Speaker
If the man controlled you, he built you up just to destroy you. When he was done with you, he discarded you and brought us. And they are in, by the way, as we found out at the end of the credits, a karaoke bar. In Orlando. In Orlando. They're in a karaoke bar in Orlando. And it is a goddamn shame they couldn't get the rights to have just anyone in the background.
00:28:41
Speaker
Like, as Braun Strowman's crying, there's like a 65-year-old woman giving you a bad rendition of Losing My Religion by R.E.M. It's just me singing the Flintstones behind it.
00:29:02
Speaker
Flintstones, meet the Flintstones. Easy 3 is looking up to see what kind of music is public domain. And so it's just the national anthem. Happy birthday and Christmas songs. Happy birthday costs money too much. Oh, OK, Christmas songs. I think a lot of Christmas songs are public domain now. That would make sense. Yeah.
00:29:31
Speaker
It is the season. It is the season to control your narrative. I'm so like, again, there's so many wrestling shows in New York coming up, and I'm just so sad that one of them isn't going to be control your narrative. I hope they find some way to bring this back. And if not, yeah, if not, I hope I hope I hope there's a really good discount for Black Friday on control your narrative sweatshirts and short shorts. Listeners.
Meeting Bret Hart and Autobiography
00:30:00
Speaker
Join Chris and I in making sure EC3 never has to monologue again. We're gonna buy all these sale pants from him and he is gonna live the high life in every karaoke bar in the middle Florida area. Yeah.
00:30:19
Speaker
Well, actually, I'm curious to get your opinion on something, Eric. So yeah, talk about going to wrestling shows. So New York, there's a show coming to town Saturday night. And it is advertising. The main advertisement is just Bret Hart and FTR spaces.
00:30:38
Speaker
Right. This is basically big time. Big time wrestling is coming to New York at a venue I've not been to before. It's called Sunset Rooftop in Brooklyn. I probably have to take a cab to get there because going from Queens to Brooklyn by train is just the worst. I don't know why they've done this. That is also dirty. There's a lot of people who live in those two boroughs.
00:31:01
Speaker
But I want your opinion on whether I should, well, a couple of pieces, whether I should go to the show, and if so, how many meet and greets I should buy. So it is, is this the one you wanna take your daughter to? No, that's next week. This is not at a friendly time. The show doesn't start until like 8.30. Okay, because at this I was like, if you're gonna buy a Bret Hart meet and greet with your daughter, and you treat him like Santa Claus, the things he's like,
00:31:31
Speaker
He's like, I wish I could do a Bret Hart voice. He's like, Maddie, how's your dad? My dad would yell at me in the basement. The screams that came from down there are legendary. Do you hear screams in your basement, Maddie? My daddy and I do art in the basement.
00:31:58
Speaker
And then she gets home, she's like, why was the Canadian man so sad? Because the art that his dad would make with him in the basement was pain. His dad is more like Hellraiser from the Pinhead from the Hellraiser series. It's like, for some people it's pleasure, for some it's pain, Red Heart it's both.
00:32:24
Speaker
So the tickets, the tickets to the show are $30, which is totally reasonable average. Here's the thing though. There's literally no way I'm going to the show and not getting a Bret Hart meet and greet. That would defeat the entire purpose. I love Bret Hart. The best there ever was basically named after the guy. Like I got into a Bret Hart meet and greet. If I'm going to the show, the Bret Hart meet and greet is $120. I was going to guess 150.
00:32:54
Speaker
Oh, OK, so you think I'm getting I might be getting a deal on the Bret Hart. I think he's yeah, I think he must have gotten a good like something. He's in a good mood that night. You is it 150 for an autograph and a photo or is it? I think it's just one. I think I can check that. Let's let's check that here. Big time wrestling ticket. So.
00:33:17
Speaker
It's a general admission seat, by the way. I could get a seat with a chair, but, or a specific seat, but that's like $20 or more. And that just doesn't seem like it makes sense. Brett Hart combo ticket. Oh, no, you're right. Autograph and photo op with Brett. So I could find something. Yeah. Do you have something of yours that would like be meaningful for him to sign? I've got like a Brett Hart somewhere. I've got like a Brett Hart micro brawler.
00:33:48
Speaker
that he could sign that? He would intimidate the fuck out of me. I did enjoy Bret Hart as a kid, but as a 35 year old man now, I have nothing to say to him. He has nothing to say to me. I feel like if I brought him that, he'd be like,
00:34:05
Speaker
You collect little men, do you? Like, it's like, oh, Jesus Christ. I think, I think with Brett, you lead with just aggressive praise. You're like, you know, Brett, just today, I was watching you carry the British bulldog at summer slam 92 to a five star match. And he'd go, yeah, I did. I like you.
00:34:26
Speaker
Just lead in with just telling him pull quotes from the book, basically. I agree with you, sir, and he'd be like, mm-hmm, wise man over here. Wow. Okay, so you've never met him. This would be the first time. I've never met him. This would be the first time. It does seem like, goddamn, he's one of those guys that is like, well, obviously you want to meet him before he goes. 130 is steep.
00:34:55
Speaker
Are you going to go locked and loaded with a question or something to say? Or are you just like the guy that you're going to grab a quick picture, get the fuck out of it? I could think of something. I mean. But Brett seems like he said everything he has to say. You know, I mean, again, the man's book was 700 pages.
00:35:16
Speaker
Which by the way, if you've never read Bret Hart's book, I would recommend reading it. It's terrific. I made a tactical mistake though, which is that I took that book on a beach vacation. And I was, I think I was in maybe in the middle when I took it. Like I'd started the first piece of it and I was somewhere in the middle. So I finished it on a beach vacation. The last 200 pages of the Bret Hart book
00:35:46
Speaker
are basically a series of obituaries for all of his family. Not a fun beach read. Not the things you want to read in the Bahamas. Unless there's a hurricane at the time, then it's like a bit feels more appropriate. I guess this Yeah, I guess you could comfort yourself during a hurricane with Bret Hart's book, realizing that by continuing to live,
00:36:15
Speaker
You know, you you too could get through all of like if Brett could get through, you can get through too. Because it is dark. It's a dark couple hundred pages of reading. I mean, terrific. Well written. Excellent. But. And they saved it all for the end. Well, I mean, pretty much all the bad stuff happens in the last half. I mean, like pretty much everyone lives until about 1999, at which point things go downhill very quickly.
00:36:42
Speaker
Also, Brett gets kicked in the head by Goldberg, who, as we know, is a putt. Ask Brett about Goldberg. For Derek, just get some angry Goldberg talk. So who else? Oh, sorry, go ahead. I would say, so yeah, so I think you're saying this seems like it's worth it, like getting a solid deal. I get the autograph too.
00:37:10
Speaker
I get the picture with Brett. He's one of my faves. So here's the other question. Do I also do the FTR meet and greet? That's 80. See, now that's higher than I would have expected. Even though they currently, are they gonna have all three belts?
00:37:30
Speaker
They're not lugging that shit through New York. You know, that's an interesting question because I think with all the belts, maybe, maybe I wonder if I could make that a game time decision about like, can I can like pay the 80 to FTR if I can see that they have the belts just to take a picture with that many tag team belts just seems fun. I bet if you ask them, can I hold all six?
00:37:54
Speaker
And so you've just like, you got your arms out like a scarecrow covered in belts with FTR on both sides. That seems fun. I don't know. They seem like a fun meet and greet. I think it would be possible to like have an actively good time with FTR. Bret Hart is not going to stand up for you. He is going to be in a chair and you will kneel next to him for a photo. That's true. Because with FTR, basically I could be like,
00:38:20
Speaker
Do you have a couple of minutes? I would just really like to talk about your favorite Midnight Express matches. And they would be like, sure. Yeah, you just got to know the gateway to what they want to talk about. Well, I think that's the fun thing about them, right? Is that they and I probably do want to talk about the same thing. And at least that's one topic we would both want to talk about. You guys could easily have a beer together and enjoy each other's company. I don't know if Brett
00:38:49
Speaker
No offense to you, you're a great guy. This isn't a hit on you. I don't think Brett wants to hang out with you. I think Brett, again, the conversation with Brett would have to mostly just be you praising Brett. And then him telling, like, you'd be like, hey, remember that time you did that awesome thing? And he'd be like, yeah. And he would tell you a couple of things about it.
00:39:13
Speaker
And then that you'd have to, the next, the next convert piece of the conversation would be, Hey, remember that time that you did this? And it was kind of amazing. He'd be like, yeah, I remember how great that match was. I laid it out. I was. After a certain amount of time, I would look at him and be like, okay, now you say something nice about me. His response would be, you have great taste in wrestlers. Oh, you're right. You're right.
00:39:43
Speaker
Here's the card by the way. So FTR is wrestling Homicide and Jay Lethal. Okay. Which I think is that's going to be a really good match. That's part of I think what is getting them. It's like it's at least going to be a fairly good FTR match. I don't know if it's going to be a top tier FTR match, but that's going to be pretty good,
Upcoming Wrestling Events
00:40:02
Speaker
right? Those guys are great. I didn't even know they were doing Indies. I think they do a decent amount of them with this big time promotion. I think they're basically this thing where they
00:40:11
Speaker
Bret Hart walks out with them, they wrestle a tag team match, they make a ton of money doing meet and greets and stuff. It seems like based on Big Time Wrestling's Instagram page, it seems like they do a lot of these. Are they the main event? Yeah, that's actually the only name match announced. The other things announced are like, Davey Boy Smith Jr. will be there.
00:40:40
Speaker
In what capacity? I think he's wrestling. The SAT are in a six-man tag team match, which would make sense. They're a three-man team. Someone named Dreamcrusher, Danny Miles, who's the BTW champion, will be there. There's a women's match with Tina San Antonio against Tiara James. People probably don't know who they are. Those are both two talented women who wrestle in the New York area.
00:41:09
Speaker
what, no disrespect to either of them. I could also see them on a million others. They're just, they're good wrestlers who were around. I think it's possible. I feel like I may have seen that Brian Pillman Jr. might be there too. I don't know. This is an odd show to like, that's a weird match to build a card around. Like, and to charge what sounded like 50 bucks for a seat.
00:41:36
Speaker
Yeah. 50 bucks for 30 bucks for general admission, which maybe there's chairs with that. I don't know. Um, and the base seat is $50 front row is like 80 or a hundred or something. I can look that up too much, too much. Cause it's basically, I mean, essentially here, I feel like you're selling me a meet and greet with a wrestling show tacked on, right? This is, I mean, I'm going to this show because I feel like I should meet Brett Hart and he's getting older and.
00:42:07
Speaker
I do get that, that is, I don't know, I could see that being one that you regret not doing before it's too late. It is, by the way, to be clear, $100 for front row. No one's gonna be in the front row. Like, is it a huge building? What is? I will tell you, front row is apparently sold out, except for most, one of the sections of front row is, no.
00:42:36
Speaker
All of them are, I think all of the front row sections. Well, there's a VIP section that seems to have still up tickets for $300. It's do that. Bret Hart, FTR combo and the VIP and the front row seat, which is basically, I mean, that's. Let's say it's a good deal, but it's basically the same deal, right? You basically say, oh, I'm saying it's like a hundred dollars for the ticket plus.
00:43:02
Speaker
80 for the meeting, 80 for the FTR, 120 for Brett. You're basically just combining all of them. I mean, not really much of a deal. You're like, I'm not going to say it's a good deal. I will say it is a deal. It is a deal that they're making with me. That's this weekend. It's this Saturday night. They're doing it alone.
00:43:25
Speaker
I think I'm going alone to this one. Tom's in Ireland. Fax is working like a mad dog. That's why he's not here with us tonight. So I think I'm just going alone to meet Bret Hart. Do you think he'll comment on that? He's like, I see you're alone. Where are your friends tonight? Have you had a series of tragedies befall your friends as well?
00:43:55
Speaker
or the last 200 pages of your book, a eulogy? They are, by the way, if you're interested in this, they're like touring this. They're going to a lot of places. Somewhere, they were just in Homer, Glenn, Illinois. I don't know if that's, is that a place you're aware of Garrett? You're from Illinois. I've never, no, unless that's a place that Al Snow does stand up, I am.
00:44:24
Speaker
Waukesha, Wisconsin the next day, Raleigh, North Carolina. Raleigh, North Carolina, this is the same guy who's promoting Ricky the Dragon Steamboat Wrestling again. Teaming with FTR, but now this is a good show actually. The North Carolina show, Ricky the Dragon Steamboat and FTR against Jay Lethal, Brock Anderson and a mystery partner.
00:44:51
Speaker
So you're telling me that Ricky Steamboat will do this six man, but he would not kill Ric Flair. He refused to. Why? Why? Like that would have had to have been the mystery guy is going to be Flair, like with a fake mustache on. Ricardo Flair. But you know what's second from the top on that cart?
00:45:21
Speaker
Rock and Roll Express versus the Briscoes. Wait, like whole Rock and Roll Express, like both? Yep, Ricky and Robert. So Robert's already on a retirement. I don't think they've actually retired. They're on the tour, the retirement tour. I don't think they had done that. This is still happening. This is still the retirement tour. They're like Elton John. It's a three year retirement tour. We're going to hit every city twice before we stop this show.
00:45:50
Speaker
I mean, I'm not going to Raleigh, but yeah, who are they fighting? I'm sorry. I got distracted by the Briscoes. What the fuck? God, that'll be great. That'll be that will be considering it. Yeah. Now I'm like, well, I guess I'll go to Raleigh. It's Thanksgiving. It's the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend. So I don't know. Do you have any family in Raleigh?
00:46:13
Speaker
And no, in that week, I'm going to four concerts and four consecutive nights. That's a busy week, but it's like, come on, come on, Leah, you got to let me go. It's the Rock and Roll Express. They're on their farewell tour. We couldn't go see Elton John. So you got to at least let me see this. But so the consensus you think I got it, it's
00:46:37
Speaker
I've got to at least do the Brett meet and greet. And you seem on on the FTR meet and greet. You think I should, it's worth the money to talk about the Midnight Express with them. I think that they will at least seem excited to meet you. I think they will make you feel better.
00:46:55
Speaker
about what you did with Bret Hart. I don't know. I've been to some sad ass meet and greets before where you just meet somebody and you're like, this didn't go the way I wanted it to. And I could see that nine and a half out of 10 people
00:47:15
Speaker
Are not satisfied with a Bret Hart meet and greet maybe they I don't maybe I maybe I'm projecting onto Bret Hart right now What yeah, I also kind of think I don't know with Brett. I feel like you go in with not huge expectations You know, I don't I don't think I'm expecting to have a long conversation with Bret Hart I'm expecting this or I'm there to pay my respects essentially.
Memorable Wrestling Encounters
00:47:40
Speaker
It's kind of like
00:47:42
Speaker
And this is going to sound like a slightly weird analogy, but when he was in town at the GCW show in September in New York, I did do the meet and greet with Minoru Suzuki. We did not say a word to each other. I basically was basically bowed to him and we took a picture.
00:47:59
Speaker
So yes, I did the same thing when I went to the Gage Suzuki one. My friend Molly went with me who had never been to a wrestling show and I was like, come with me, you're going to meet Minor Suzuki. You don't know who he is, but this will be great. We go like we all have masks on. We all get a photo wearing our masks. Do not say any words and we leave. And I was like, I'll be honest, the reason I didn't talk to him, I don't know how much English he speaks.
00:48:25
Speaker
He's also, you're like, Brett's intimidating. Suzuki's intimidating. He's Suzuki. It seemed, though, like Suzuki would have been willing to try to chat with me more than I feel like Brett Hart's going to be for you. See, here's my thing. Here's where I want it. Here's where I want to chat to Suzuki. So some may be aware or some may not. Suzuki has a clothing store in Tokyo called Piledriver.
00:48:50
Speaker
I want I really want to go back to Japan next year. When I go, I really want Suzuki to be there and I want to go to his clothing store. And that's where I want to meet. I want to talk about T-shirts with Suzuki. I have been to his store. Oh, yeah, it's in Harajuku. And when Leah and I went.
00:49:10
Speaker
We spent so much time trying to find that store. It is very difficult to find. We're walking into stores and I'm like showing people the name and like, do you know this? And then there's like, what is this? I have no idea. And then we get the address and we're just in an office building.
00:49:31
Speaker
This is so this is the basic Tokyo story. If anyone after that has been to Tokyo, this is like every story of trying to find something in Tokyo. I literally have no idea how people existed in Tokyo before Google Maps. Google Maps gets me there and I'm like, I'm trying to find the scary man's T-shirts. Do you know? Have you seen the scary man? And it ended up being in the fucking basement of an office building like
00:50:02
Speaker
We spent so much of our honeymoon looking for Suzuki's store. And then I get in there and I was like, is the scary man here? I'm like, no, he is not here today. I'm like, well, give me the t-shirt. But it turned out he had been there all day and I had spent too much time trying to find it. If it had taken me two hours less to find the pile driver store, I would have met Suzuki.
00:50:28
Speaker
Yeah, I want to do a full Tokyo wrestling thing. I want to have Kawata's Robin. I want to drink at Yano's bar. Does Toru Yano have a bar? Yano has a bar, yeah. Is there a theme? It's a bar. I think it's just a bar. That's fun. It's like a sports bar. You go hang out, yeah.
00:50:53
Speaker
I like that. Yeah. All in. All in on that. Because I also like, I love Japanese food. So I want to do some more eating. I love Japanese clothing. I want to get some of that too. I just, I don't know. I love Japan. I want to go back to Japan. When you went, did you go to Rivera? Yes. So when I went, I was telling Leah, I was like,
00:51:17
Speaker
Can we please go to this? This is like a steakhouse that wrestlers go to. And she looked up reviews of it and she's like, I am not gonna go eat mediocre steak on my final night in town. I didn't think it was that mediocre. I mean, it wasn't the best steak I've ever had, but it was a good steak.
00:51:33
Speaker
I think where she was is I can eat anywhere in town right now. It is my final night. And this is not just so you can go look at an autographed photo of Hulk Hogan on the wall. It's true. It is. But it's kind of it. Well, maybe again, Gary, this is why you got to come back with me when I go. Well, we'll go. We'll come back. We'll go to Rivera.
00:51:56
Speaker
I've tried to try to find jackets. Yeah, yeah, I would gladly buy one of those jackets that that would be a prized possession in my wardrobe. Exactly, yeah. No, it's it's the steak was good. Basically, you kind of like sit at a bar. It's very simple. You're basically like, how do you want your steak prepared? Do you want like the corn on the side, which yes, you do.
00:52:22
Speaker
Maybe there's one other thing on the side. It's all in butter. It's delightful. It's very good. Is the other option corn on top? Probably. He's like, I'm just going to put some corn on here. Tell me where you should put it. On the side, please. There wasn't a lot of options. It was not an option heavy restaurant. Yeah, but it was good. I liked it. Did you go to robot restaurant? I did not.
00:52:50
Speaker
I did not. I did go to the fish market. Did you go to the robot restaurant? I did go to the robot restaurant. Was it good? Oh, it was amazing. That was honestly better than Wrestle Kingdom. I don't mean that. Wrestle Kingdom obviously was great, but like robot restaurant was a close second. Yeah, I would 100%. I've been trying to go back. We'd actually, right before the pandemic, we're looking into going back to Tokyo and then
00:53:20
Speaker
You know, just here we are. And there's a baby now. Here we are. Yeah. Yeah. You know, by that point, Tokyo, there's no rules. Well, I mean, look, it's not like your sleep schedule is ever going to be normal, but why not have a baby in Tokyo?
00:53:38
Speaker
God, the scariest thing when we were in Tokyo is we were at, like we stayed at a few different places. One, we did an Airbnb at somebody's apartment and just got to see like a Japanese apartment. Then we stayed at like- We learned a terrible idea. Oh, I didn't know what any of the buttons did and I thought I broke her bathroom. The other one, we stayed at just like a regular kind of like Western style hotel.
00:54:04
Speaker
Um, the other, we stayed at like a very Japanese hotel with like, you know, the very thin paper walls. There was a fucking earthquake in the middle of the night and waking up in Tokyo, like you're sleeping on the floor. The walls are shaken. I honestly thought I was stranded in Tokyo for the rest of my life in those three seconds of waking up to the room shaking. Jeez. Okay. Well, I'll try to avoid earthquake. We'll try to avoid earthquake season. I guess I have been watching.
00:54:34
Speaker
It's like we could talk about like current wrestling. I did watch dynamite last night. I'm really happy hangman's. OK. Oh, I kind of I will say I had kind of the moment when I saw him. So for the fans of the show, I was watching the show a little bit behind last night. And I was texting that I was watching some of the show and Derek sent back. Just FYI, you're going to be sad. And I was like, what?
00:55:05
Speaker
He's like, are you going to, should we, should you spoil? He's like, is this a storyline? And he's like, and by the way, he's like, no. And I'm like, I had just sent it in the context of like something about the elite. So I'm thinking this relates to that. And I'm thinking he's going to be like, yeah, they fired the elite on national TV. I don't know.
00:55:27
Speaker
Um, but I figured out later that he was setting me up to know about that of hangman's injury. Um, which was thank, thank you, Derek. It was very helpful. I actually feel like I emotionally, I was a little more prepared for that because I feel like I would have been a little more stunned. Um, had I not been expecting something bad to happen? I didn't know what he didn't spoil me. He's like, I won't spoil it for you, but just, just be ready to be sad. Um,
Hangman Page's Injury Concerns
00:55:50
Speaker
But it did look to me like, it looked like bad, but he did, again, like after the move, he was like moving around a little bit. So I was just kind of hopeful they were being very cautious, which is, I guess it turns out what they did. They took him to the hospital and he's got a concussion and he's going to be, because part of the other thing though, was like my initial reaction was, okay, that looks bad. And then Mox is like, well, hope he gets to hold his kid again. And I was like, whoa, Mox. Seems like you, whoa, hey, Jesus.
00:56:22
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know that like in the moment watching it like you know before I can look at Twitter and see everything like in as it's happening I Kind of thought I was getting worked in at first. I'm like hell Yeah This brings mock back box back up a peg from the Nick Gage thing where not only can he beat a former? AEW world champion he can fucking make the match stop because he hit him so hard with a with a clothesline
00:56:50
Speaker
And I thought like, this makes him look kind of a badass. Like, you know, he, he destroyed a former world champ. And then I was looking like, oh, 10 minutes left. What are we going to do with this? And then when Excalibur starts reading like the next six weeks of matches, like, okay, this is a problem. This isn't how you fill 10 more minutes of television if you don't have to. Right. Right. And then you, you said that the text thread and our responses to you, Garrett, were basically, you're a monster.
00:57:19
Speaker
And I don't know, Derek, I think he got a little offended like I was being like, you're overreacting. But today, I actually talked to Derek for the first time, and I think a couple months on the phone. And he's like, a few weeks ago, you were strapping your chains to hang man's horse to get him through the sea and punk stuff, and now you're just like, maybe he's dead, who cares? I was like, I'm not saying that, I was just like,
00:57:49
Speaker
I don't know, I didn't think him getting injured is the worst thing, but maybe it's because I've been so desensitized to everyone getting hurt in AEW. I mean, they've had a very bad run in that regard. I mean, again, this was a bump he's taken a million times and he just kind of landed wrong and looked like. And again, thankfully it was bad, but not catastrophic.
00:58:16
Speaker
You know, again, I'm glad as, you know, I don't want to do the like, well, as a parent, but I get the sort of like, that's pretty fucking scary, extra scary if you have a kid and you're thinking about like that stuff. So you're thinking about hangman's dad. You're sorry.
00:58:36
Speaker
I thought you were looking at it as if Hangman was your child. And it's like, that's scary if my kid fell like that. No, I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about like, as, as, as like a dad, like if I like landed on my head, I'd be like, well, that'd be what Mox said, right? I'd want to hold my kid again. That's all. I misheard what I thought you were just like, I'm just, I feel bad for his parents.
00:58:57
Speaker
you know, happen to watch on TV and see your kid get beat up by John honestly? No, that's a, that's a perspective. No, that's fair. That's perspective to be watching your son wrestle and be like, is he okay? Like, you know, let's go further. I feel bad for his grandparents. God forbid his grandma saw that. No, them too. I'm with you. No, but it is something I have noticed as a, as a parent, have you ever, have you ever watched that show?
Parenting and TV Perspectives
00:59:27
Speaker
Oh, what's the stupid, the Netflix show about suicide? 13 Reasons Why. 13 Reasons Why. I knew I was getting old when I watched some of that show and I just sympathize with the parents. I'm just like, man, this has got to be really hard for all of them to deal with their kids being like this. I think you hit a certain age and you just sympathize with different people. Like now if I watch ET, I sympathize with the government.
00:59:54
Speaker
being like, we don't know what's going on with him. Like, he probably shouldn't be running around with that kid. We're just asking questions about what he is. We just want to know if this is reasonable or not. We just want to put him in the bag and ask him some questions. Yeah. No, I do feel bad for Hangman. I don't want to see him get hurt, but I didn't feel like the show fell apart because of it. I thought they handled it honestly very well. I was impressed that
01:00:23
Speaker
in the promos between Mox and MJF that on the spot Mox is able to do some recalled things that MJF said earlier in the night. No, Mox is very good at this. He's very good at this.
Excitement for AEW Match: MJF vs. Moxley
01:00:37
Speaker
So yeah, no, and look, I'm certainly excited for that match at Full Gear. Very curious to see what they do with it. I thought the regal MJF thing was interesting. It's one of those where I was like,
01:00:50
Speaker
I feel like my opinion of that promo will be determined in about a month. Like how that ends up being reflected in the match will kind of determine whether that was good or bad, I think. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure. Like I'm curious. I am curious to see where this goes. I think I have the same thing going into this that I have with every MJF match so far, which is I just I don't see him having a good one here.
01:01:19
Speaker
And it's not that I don't seem having a good match. I don't currently look at him as somebody who can believably beat up Jon Moxley. I think that's going to be the big thing. I think it's kind of been the biggest thing for him all the way through AEW of like, is he ready to have the big match? Which is also, and I also think it's kind of an interesting thing in the sense that stylistically, a lot of the people he steals from
01:01:48
Speaker
weren't necessarily like big match guys. Like I, to me in some ways, he like physically in the way he moves in the ring, he like resembles Chris Candido a lot to me. And I love Chris Candido, but Chris Candido didn't made a vent a lot of pay per views, you know, and some of that was stylistic. And I don't know. We'll see. I'm curious. I'm really curious. I'm, I'm open to it. You know, I'm excited to see the match. Yeah. Yeah. He continues to surprise me with every single match.
01:02:18
Speaker
I don't know, I don't think I've seen a bad one from him on there. You get so few, but he has impressed me nearly every time. And yet, when the next one comes, I doubt that I'm as excited for it and it ends up being great. I don't know, I'm curious to see if we get a stipulation with it, what ends up happening. I don't know, I'm on board. Obviously, they're gonna get my money forever
01:02:47
Speaker
Tony Khan can abuse me in whatever way he wants on the side. Well, they don't have to get your money forever, Garrett. Like if AEW gets bad, you are allowed to stop watching. But I already gave him prima nocta. I gave Tony Khan and he it just it feels like that would have been for nothing if I quit watching.
01:03:08
Speaker
We were talking about that though. It's like, I do think sometimes brand loyalty is weird in wrestling. Like people get so tied up and it makes slight sense. I guess in the context of like WWE or AEW where they are kind of set against each other. Um, but sometimes people like.
01:03:25
Speaker
There were people who were like impact stands. I was in an ROH thing on Facebook because I had Honor Club and there was definitely ROH stands who were like, as the ship was going down, who were like, ROH is the only real wrestling and it's like,
01:03:41
Speaker
Guys, I don't know, man, are you watching these shows? I mean, they're fine, but like, this is your only thing? Like what, mentally, how does it work for you that ROH is your world? Which I don't think is healthy, right? I think it's okay to be kind of critical. So again, AEW's got a lot of loyalty for me. It's gonna take something for me not to buy a pay-per-view just because they've been so good. But I mean, I could imagine a world where I don't, you know?
01:04:10
Speaker
Like I could imagine a world where I am more interested in WWE. It hasn't happened yet, but who knows? There's a lot of good wrestling out there and I want to go where it goes.
01:04:27
Speaker
Currently, AEW is still providing me with the good wrestling. Like, this last show was great. Like, Dalton Castle versus Chris Jericho. A match I never thought I would have seen. A match I never knew I wanted. It was great. Loved it. So glad. I mean, you know, Dalton Castle, for Fax and I, Fax, Dalton Castle was our old beast man. When we saw Dalton in 2015, we were like, that guy.
01:04:53
Speaker
forever. That guy, we love you. And one of the, again, I think one of my favorite things of the show that we did get to interview him at all in weekend. And yeah, so it's so exciting to see him be on a national TV show in front of thousands of people. And I hope they keep letting him do that. I can't imagine how you wouldn't find a role for that guy, even if it's not all wrestling. I mean, he's just so talented.
01:05:20
Speaker
I would hope there's a way to use him on the national stage going forward. There's very few wrestlers that I think that you can just take them, not have to give the entire audience their backstory, just put them out there and just visually he gets over with the entire crowd. Like sending them out there with the 10 boys, making the, you know, the human steps, like seeing them with the, you know, put up the wings, like make the phases,
01:05:49
Speaker
You've seen everything, you feel like you know that character already. Like somebody who's seen him for the first time can be like, I love him, I need more of this. You know? Yeah, the first time we saw him, yeah, this thing was like we, I had no context for him. He shows up and literally within five minutes Bax and I are Googling like Dalton Castle t-shirt. Like how do we purchase this man's wares? Like we're just trying to figure it out. I think the first time I saw him was at a PWG show and actually Leo was with me at the PWG show.
01:06:19
Speaker
And whoever he was fighting said something about the boys. And he just very loudly shouted, don't you talk about my boys? And my wife never buys wrestling t-shirts. That night she walked over to Dalton Castle and left with a Dalton Castle t-shirt and left with other Dalton Castle t-shirts later in later years going to Ring of Honor shows. So he's kind of, you know, he's Orange Cassidy.
01:06:47
Speaker
Like he's that kind of guy that, you know, just, he can get a non-fan into it just based on personality alone. Which I will also plug one of the things about buying a Dalton Castle t-shirt. He has a lot of great t-shirts because a lot of his design work is done by Rockets are Red, a friend of the show who does like such awesome design work. And a lot of the ones you can find on like Pro Wrestling T-shirt by him. So it's really, really, he has really, really good stuff because of that.
01:07:17
Speaker
Yeah, so go buy a Dalton Castle t-shirt. You should already, yeah, you should be doing that anyway. Right, if you had one, you know, if you don't have one, go do it. But yeah, I spent a lot, I feel like I've been switching back and forth, I've still been watching a lot of old wrestling.
Binge-Watching 1996 ECW
01:07:34
Speaker
I watched, while I was working, I had like on in the background, so kind of coming in and out a little bit, but I watched like basically all of 1996 ECW over the last week or so.
01:07:45
Speaker
Um, which really only serves to remind me how fucking good, again, you talk about brand loyalty, right? Why am I, why am I willing to watch Shane Douglas Appalachian championship wrestling matches? And it's just like, I don't know. That dude was fucking amazing in 1996 for like a year straight. And so I'm, I'm still brand loyal to him. At that time was ECW just a weekly show was, is it like no off weeks? Like there's one show every week the entire year.
01:08:15
Speaker
That's a TV show. Yeah, because it's basically they're taping TV is basically every three weeks there's an ECW Arena show. And then the next three weeks, the TV is like stuff from the arena show. Gotcha. Gotcha. You're seeing most of the show except like maybe a few like the couple of main events they're trying to sell you by making you buy a tape.
01:08:36
Speaker
So did you watch like any specific episode or were you, did you just have it on like? I was just binging it. I was just going, just hours. I would like turn up and there's like different stuff happening. Yeah. Um. So I am somebody who, I have not watched that. Like I've definitely seen, I've probably seen matches here and there, but I would say like, I'm pretty fresh to like, you know, if you,
01:09:00
Speaker
were to recommend me something from the 96 ECW era. Like what do I need to go seek out? Oh man, there's so much. That part of the fun thing is that it's a good TV show. Like if you've never watched ECW TV, like it's a, like it's bingeable. Like, like you're watching just something on Netflix, right? Because it's very week to week, especially before they had pay per views, because it's really just all there and you could maybe seek out the couple of big main events you're not getting. Um,
01:09:28
Speaker
The thing is don't watch it on the network. You know, again, we don't like to talk about things that are maybe not 100% legal, but if you Google the letters re-CW, re-CDUB, R-E-C-D-U-B, you will find, I don't know, what I would call the correct way to watch this.
01:09:52
Speaker
with combining the video quality of the WWE network with the things that made ECW, including the highly illegal use of music. But yeah, is there anything else they cut out? Like, are they cutting out any? There's some there's some stuff here and there that's cut
01:10:11
Speaker
Um, and the other thing is they're cutting, they're cutting all like the advertisements, which is part of, I mean, it gets a little repetitive, but the ECW advertisements were amazing. The stuff that's like advertising, the upcoming shows and videotapes. Like there's some of the, it's not six, it's not six, uh, men's warehouse and Spanish commercials in a row, but it is still a bit repetitive. Some of those ECW ads, when I see them, like I basically like my mom, I can basically recite them.
01:10:42
Speaker
I, okay, yeah, I might start digging into some of that, because I, I don't know, I've been looking, I've been looking for some old wrestling to watch. I don't know, just in the 90s, feel like it would be a good time period to jump back in, right? Yeah, we'll talk, 96 is, 96 is like, I think their best year. It's the best roster and the stories are consistently really good. And Shane just goes on a crazy run. He has matches with Raven that are amazing, too cold Scorpio.
01:11:13
Speaker
And all of the, so much of what I love about ECW, that is AEW at its best too, is really about how sort of the stories grow out of the characters, right? Like Shane moves from babyface to heel, but he's always Shane. He's always the franchise, right? The Sandman turns face, but the Sandman's always the Sandman. It's just that his character has sort of readjusted itself a little bit. It's being opposed by Raven, and now we feel differently about him.
01:11:41
Speaker
Um, too cold Scorpio. I never, I'm never actually sure whether too cold Scorpio was a baby face or a heel. Um, you know, but like, um, and, and, but there's, there's so good and there's some of the Shane matches, uh,
01:11:55
Speaker
The one I saw again that I really love is the match with Too Cold Scorpio for the TV title where Shane, like the whole idea, Scorpio's the TV champ. Shane's like, I only want the world title. And Scorpio's like, that's bullshit, this title is meaningful. And so Shane's wrestling the match with him initially where it's like, he's just,
01:12:18
Speaker
like he's trying to win by count out and it's all this stuff but he sort of he kind of beats the respect out of him in a sense and by the end of course Shane is absolutely trying to win in part because yeah the guy loves the character loves having a title belt of course he does he doesn't really care whether it's the world he'll he'll now say well the ECW TV title is worth is just as good as any world title
01:12:42
Speaker
Because that's his cat, right? That's the next step that, of course, now that he's won that, he's like that. And the match is awesome. It's like a 25 minute, you know, classic. I mean, this was this was on television. This was on. So he put it on the television show because all because basically every show is there's no pay per views, right? It's just the weekly arenas, the three week every three because we know show. And then they're using that to make the TV show. So is it just like an hour a week, an hour a week? Yeah.
01:13:13
Speaker
I love that they would burn that much TV on a match. That makes me really happy. Those are some of my favorite AEW shows when they just give a lot of time to a match, a single match. And they do that a lot where there's something that's like, yeah, this is gonna be a great match. We're gonna give this a lot of the episode.
01:13:33
Speaker
because, you know, again, the first ECW show I ever saw, it's a TV title four-way with those two guys, Pipple two and Chris Jericho. And it's literally, it's a 35 minute match. There's basically the rest of the show is like a couple of promos, the TV intro, and then it's that match. And I watched that episode and was like, this is amazing. I want to watch this forever. And here I am 25 years later, still watching ECW. Still watching, still literally watching the same. The same match sometimes.
01:14:05
Speaker
Sorry, I so I can see the reflection of what's happening behind me in my computer right now. I don't know if you can see this. I've got ICW. It looks like they were in LA maybe last weekend. I don't know. This is the most recent show. This is currently a shopping cart match between homeless Jimmy and Eric Ryan. And they're standing on top of it. Oh, oh dear. Someone just fell on top of a shopping cart and that looked worse than many other bumps I've seen.
01:14:34
Speaker
It looks like they've stolen a dollar general shopping cart based on the colors. And oh, they put tubes on the shopping cart. This is a very wide shopping cart. Like it is. Oh my God. Oh, that is a nasty bump. Homeless Jimmy. There's some good names out there right now. Homeless Jimmy. I saw that a circle six has a guy named Rob shit.
01:15:00
Speaker
That is just, that's a catchy name. Homeless Jimmy's been around forever. He was in the original XPW. Okay. Cause they were saying I, earlier I had this match on and they were talking about him being a legend, but this being his first ICW match, this was his debut at the company and he did defeat Eric Ryan, former king of the death match. Legend is a slightly strong word for homeless Jimmy.
01:15:28
Speaker
You wouldn't put, like legend is a word you can use for like Babe Ruth, Kobe Bryant, Homeless Jimmy. It's like, I don't, I mean, I don't know if anyone from XPW that was just an XPW is really a legend of, I mean, I like some of those guys. Messiah was good. Supreme was good. I don't, I'm not insulting them. Just legends just seems like a strong word. That's all. I'll just tell you in old predetermined towards the beginning,
01:15:56
Speaker
Derek and I shit-talked Necro Butcher. And the only one-star review we ever got for the podcast was from somebody who did not like that we disrespected Papa Necro. I'm just saying, watch what you say about Homeless Jimmy. All I'm saying, I think Necro is a bit more of a, I don't know if you should have disrespected Necro. Necro is a bit of, I mean, he's not my favorite guy in the world, but he's a bit more legendary than Homeless Jimmy.
01:16:23
Speaker
He obviously he's a legend because he discovered Beastman. Right, of course. Maybe we'll have to watch some XPW too. I don't know. Maybe if you're getting into this, we'll have to watch some the old 90s XPW. Just don't just please just you just can't watch that whenever your child is around.
Children's Media Consumption
01:16:44
Speaker
I mean, at what age do they really start like processing what they're seeing?
01:16:49
Speaker
I'm asking for real. I need to know because I watched some fucked up shit over the weekend that I watched a horror movie that is questionable whether or not a baby should have seen it. But my thought was he won't remember this. I don't remember things from when I was a baby. Sure. All all I'll say is you just want to avoid, I feel like your son, like coming of age, like like coming to mentally while watching an XPW show, because then like 18 years later when you're like
01:17:20
Speaker
Why does he seem obsessed with porn? And like he just seems very antisocial and he's, you know, he's like running what's left of like AVN or something. You're like, Oh, Oh, it's the XPW. It's the XPW. If my options are him watching XPW or Paw Patrol, I'm clearly going XPW.
01:17:49
Speaker
Paw Patrol is very damaging for, for the kids. It's, uh, you know, I, I don't want to get into it. You know, I don't want to get political on here, but those dogs, uh, I don't always agree with what they're doing. ACAP. ACAP. Oh, Oh, even, even that dog.
01:18:11
Speaker
Well, not actually again, I won't get too deep into this because this is a wrestling podcast, but I do have a large problem with the story of the Paw Patrol movie, which is very, very anti-city in a lot of ways. And I did not like that. Did the anti-city like city, city bad. Yes, city scary. That is. But that's the entire view of like a lot of the Midwest and like small towns.
01:18:40
Speaker
Like, I feel like I still talk to people from my hometown that are like, city bad, city scary, be careful in city. And I'm like, it's city, city fine, city good food, city culture. And I did not like that I felt that maybe people were being coddled in that, you know. I mean, I guess he does eventually overcome his fear, but, you know. Are you telling
Marvel and AAA Wrestling Collaboration
01:19:07
Speaker
me that Paw Patrol isn't produced in city?
01:19:12
Speaker
I mean, Paw Patrol was produced in city, but I don't know who's thinking about Paw Patrol and what they're processing. Here's the answer, actually, Garrett. We'll end on this.
01:19:23
Speaker
They announced this week that Marvel and AAA are producing a show for Disney+. And I don't know if it's going to be in America. They haven't said that before it's going to be in English. But that's definitely wrestling I'm showing a child. Because if my daughter can watch wrestling and that wrestling is Spider-Man, she is fucking in. In. I wonder if it is. I know, yeah, we can definitely end on this. But Bad Bunny signed on to play a Marvel character.
01:19:53
Speaker
that in the comics is a luchador. And I wonder if that is this, like if they're actually going to, because Bad Bunny can wrestle.
01:20:02
Speaker
Get some triple A guys in there. Like if we get fucking Pentagon Junior and that's how you get me to watch a Marvel thing. Put Pentagon in. I don't think it could be Pentagon, though. I think it's general. It's because at least so far it's been other people like under the mask like. Who's the who's the bad guy from the big Marvel movies, the one that does the snap thing? What's his name? Thanos. Thanos like Thanos is Brian Cage.
01:20:32
Speaker
I don't know if you remember this, but they did have Joey Ryan under a hood in an episode of Fuller House for a wrestling episode. So you never know who's under those masks, kids. You never know who's under... That's an important thing to teach them. You never know who's under the mask. But yeah, I hope we get that. And that's how we'll show our children. No XPW, no 90s ECW or the Attitude Era, just Marvel AAA on Disney+.
01:21:01
Speaker
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Final Thoughts and Instagram Encouragement
01:21:06
Speaker
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