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Star Wars Games
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In this episode, Fraser (Satsunami) and Adam take on the topic of Star Wars games. From Battlefront to Jedi: Fallen Order, the duo discuss some nostalgic favourites as well as some that may be best forgotten.
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Introduction and Humor
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chatsunami. I'm Satsunami and I feel a very disturbing presence. Hold on, let me just... Oh wait, no, sorry, it's just Adam. Hey there. I'm back, I live.
00:00:35
Speaker
Sorry, can I just point out, it's so funny hearing that and watching the sandwich talk at the same time.
00:00:47
Speaker
Yeah, I mean you're what I was gonna make like a burnt toast reference to be like you're you're not on the dark side and everything But you know is it's not gonna work. I'm so sorry. Oh Man, here's a quick question for you though If I went into the Star Wars Star Wars universe as to say I'm called Darth sandwich When I might be a worse character than George R Binks where you think I would still be slightly better. I
00:01:09
Speaker
Oh no, you would be 110% better, don't you? Yeah! Yeah, don't bring that heretical viewpoint on here. We are not a controversial channel, okay? We are family friendly. Just you mate. Just you mate. We're family friendly. We're open to sponsors, wink wink.
Exploring Star Wars Games
00:01:32
Speaker
So yeah, as you can tell by that very subtle reference, today we're going to be talking about Star Wars. And of course we are going to be talking about what else, the thing we are really well versed in beyond the read and the read too. That of course being Star Wars games. And I've actually got a question for you before we kind of dive into this.
00:01:53
Speaker
But what was your first exposure to Star Wars? Because I'm quite curious to hear, was it because of the films that you ended up getting into the games, or was it like vice versa that you found the games first?
00:02:05
Speaker
no it will have been the films i was just trying to think that when i first saw that it was definitely the films that i saw first so i will have seen what's that i will say i i've seen i think i saw the original trilogy some point before episode one came out maybe it's like a couple years before so but it was definitely for me it was it was the films i got into first because i didn't i may have mentioned this in the chat before but i didn't have like a a games console until like late 2001 when the original xbox came out and like pc my parents had was like
00:02:34
Speaker
it was woof, like we could play some games but it wasn't like you couldn't play games you know that were current at the time and everything so I wasn't really able to play anything like that but so yeah it was the films for me and then you know when the prequel films came out I was of that age that I thought they were some of the greatest things ever and that kind of got me you know into the into the games from there because I was definitely the same because I think it was probably my dad that got me into them
00:02:58
Speaker
You know, because he grew up watching the original Travel Jane and he's like, hey Satu, watch these films. And I'm like, thank you Satu, senior. And you know, I watched them, I loved them, you know. And it was like, I mean, when we were growing up, it was like a huge phenomenon, wasn't it? Like, I mean.
00:03:18
Speaker
Yeah, like maybe that's a bit of an understatement to be like Star Wars was a big thing but it really was and I mean you could see it. I wouldn't say it was like Pokemon where like Pokemon kind of invaded every single thing but I mean Star Wars wasn't too far behind back in the day. Like nowadays Star Wars is everywhere. It's like you can't even open a box of Shreddies if the new film's out without like, you know,
00:03:45
Speaker
Yeah, or like Darth Revader's face, you know? That was actually a thing I saw on... Did you ever see the red letter media reviews for the prequels? Oh no, I never saw that reviews. Oh, they are so good. They take a very negative stance on it but they do it in a very like dark humour kind of way but one of the things they point out is like how they basically plastered, like when Revenge of the Sith came out, they plastered every like
00:04:12
Speaker
everything with like Star Wars stuff so it was like all the snacks all the cereal had like Darth Vader's face even though he doesn't really show off until the end and everything and you're kind of like okay okay come on guys just let's tone it down but they must have they've obviously like earned their money back like I don't think Star War well maybe nowadays it's kind of like dangerously close to being you know shunned but I mean back then it was like no matter what they would just like throw it out with
00:04:40
Speaker
You know, the Star Wars label. And it would just be like, oh, it's Star Wars. Yay. I approve. I approve of this message. But I mean, no more is that, like, evident than the games. And my god, how many games there were there? There was just hundreds, wasn't there?
00:04:59
Speaker
Wikipedia informs me that over 100 video games have been based on the Star Wars franchise, sorry based on the Star Wars franchise have been released. See I was joking with you like earlier just before we came on the stream you were asking me if you needed like a list of your top like you know whatever like your top favorite games and I was like joking with saying oh yeah just you know your top 100 or something but I didn't actually realize it was that much.
Early Gaming Experiences
00:05:24
Speaker
I thought I was sweating away muffins.
00:05:31
Speaker
Yeah, guys get your snacks because this is going to be a long one. Number one. I mean, they were everywhere. Probably putting you on the spot here, but do you remember what your first game was in Star Wars?
00:05:47
Speaker
Right, that's a very good question. It's one of two here, and I cannot remember. You know, I think it was the tie-in game for episode two, which I'm Game Boy Advance. I'm pretty sure. The only other one it might be is there was one called Star Wars the Clone Wars, which had nothing to do with, like, you know, the animated TV game. Oh, yeah.
00:06:13
Speaker
and like that you and Green Shield went through. It was like a standalone kind of story that took place after episode two of Knockout because the story with everything you've done. But it was like a vehicle combat game, which I loved back in the day. So it was one of those two, but I'm pretty sure it would have been the episode two tie-in for the Game Boy Advance.
00:06:29
Speaker
I actually do remember the Clone Wars one because I remember being really confused when I was like playing it thinking, wait Clone Wars? But why we all win vehicles? Why? You know it's like you basically piloted Mace Windu's like I think Mace Windu was in a tank and it was like oh you're playing as Mace Windu it's like no I'm playing a tank.
00:06:52
Speaker
with Mace Windu inside but it could have been anybody I mean it's like there was another one called Jedi Starfighter which was exactly the same but as the name implies it was you know spaceships rather than vehicle like land-based vehicles it was like half of a game they split the game in half and it was like yeah one half can go in the land one half can go in the sky space sorry not the sky you know I'm under settling it it's like this isn't the Battle of Britain were you not you know it is in space which
00:07:22
Speaker
Oh my god, in fact no doctor who's already done that, that's fine. Spitfires in space, spoilers. Moving swiftly on from that so I don't have to talk about it too much. Yeah, I was actually trying to think of the first game that I played. I actually don't know whether, again I'm in a similar boat, I don't know whether it was... I'm just trying to think, I don't know whether it was The Phantom Menace for the PS1, which if that's the case then that is a tragic first game. Did you ever play that one?
00:07:49
Speaker
No, no, but I don't think it's any more tragic than playing the Attack of the Clones. Tying game, we could do it on to the most tragic deal. See, on the one hand I think, oh that might be a fun game to go back and play, but considering my track record of trailing back and playing childhood games, it is. Yeah, it's not.
00:08:07
Speaker
There's no one. Oh no, they're perfectly having this. Oh no, a lot of them really haven't. Although funny enough, sorry, before I go back on what I was saying there, did I tell you that I tried playing Rogue Squadron recently? Oh really? Well, not in the GameCube, so I've got it for the GameCube and if I played it on that I think it would work fine. But I decided to buy it for the PC because I thought, oh I played Rogue Squadron, I love games.
00:08:32
Speaker
I was like okay I'm gonna play it and I'm gonna use the keyboard and mouse because you know pro player here you know and I tried playing it and it is the worst experience I think I've had and like I'm under a minute I was like what is going on
00:08:49
Speaker
like everything's inverted for some reason that zoomed me like all the way out so you see like this pixel which I'm assuming was meant to be an X-wing just like slowly like descending down and it's like no no no no no and I kept blowing up and I'm like okay okay I think I've got the hang of it and then two seconds later I hear on the chatter they're all dead look they're all dead and I was like oh no
00:09:13
Speaker
i can't play this and of course i told you about the star wars erm racer game or the pod racing one oh of course yeah so just to kind of give context i bought it for steam ah i kind of wish i didn't because i thought oh this will be like a fun game because i've never played it before and then i put it on and yeah it just crashes it won't like let me load it up at all so i'll never know the joy of starboard racer or star wars pod racer i know
00:09:41
Speaker
We can get into it. I made the much more sensible decision of buying it for the Xbox One and marveling at its original Xbox graphics, but it's a fun little thing. I was just going to say, I can't believe I got Loki jabbed by a sandwich.
00:10:00
Speaker
to be like, well I made the decision to do this. I made the correct decision. Yeah. Just to raise my ass. F only, honestly. But yeah, sorry, going back to like first games. Yeah, I think it was either, oh I'm just trying to remember, it was either the Phantom Menace one, or it might have been Battlefront, but I feel as if that's far too late into the series. Because when did
Impact of Iconic Games
00:10:26
Speaker
the original Battlefront come out? The out of four I think was the original Battlefront.
00:10:30
Speaker
Yeah, because two came in like 2005 I think. It was literally like a year before the Revenge of the Sith came out so they had to like kind of, I wouldn't say rush it out but you know it was like linking the two kind of stories together and I mean that's like an example of an absolutely fantastic game though but I'm just trying to think if there was any others. There must have been loads because I was kind of going through them and I kept telling myself I was like huh,
00:10:57
Speaker
Okay, this is quite interesting. Oh, I don't remember that one. But some of them you just look at and you think. I know, obviously, like this kind of comes with age, but when Star Wars games kind of started, I think the first ones were like for the Atari systems. And it's, you know, that way where it's like you have to use kind of artistic interpretation. Yeah.
00:11:19
Speaker
to kind of just be like oh okay that's the next one okay no that's the next one okay that's a tie fighter and you're like i have no idea what's going on but i've actually never played any of those not that i would like i don't have it's like one of the only consoles well not the only like there's a good tree of consoles i don't have imagine as if i'm like the smog of like retro gaming
00:11:42
Speaker
just hoarding them all for myself. But no, I think I got into them probably around, like, properly. I probably got into them around the PlayStation 2 era. Because, I mean, there were so many, like, as we were saying before, there were so many, like, spin-offs and, you know, just overall. Because, I mean, you had the Battlefront games. The Battlefront games essentially defined a generation, didn't they?
00:12:07
Speaker
I think this is going back to what we were saying a good couple of months ago on our shooter episode. It's like Goldeneye, where it's like you look back and you think, this is a game that defined a generation. But then at the same time, you're kind of like, at least with Goldeneye, it's like you don't really want to go back to that stage of FPS. But I mean, Battlefront, do you think Battlefront still holds up? Like the original one? The original, do you mean the 2004 one?
00:12:34
Speaker
Yeah, well, both of them, I suppose. In fact, they're not mechanically that different in fairness, in terms of the core shooting game. I would go back and play two, the ones in 2005, before I would play the original one. Although I remember when the original one came out, I thought it was one of the greatest games.
00:12:55
Speaker
or something so many hours into it. And I think just with two, like there's just more stuff in it. You know, I mean, like one feels a little bit stripped, but I don't think it won't even have a proper campaign, did it? No.
00:13:06
Speaker
It had galactic conquest, which was pretty much just instant battles over and over again, but that was it. Whereas too, do you remember when it came out when we were younger and everyone was talking about it, that you could do space battles, there was a story mode and everything, and everyone was going nuts about it. And for good reason, because it really held up to the hype when it came out. It's one of those kind of perfect examples of
00:13:32
Speaker
you know just a game that's been hyped up and I feel as if I'm repeating myself from a couple of weeks ago when we actually talked about hyping games but it really did I don't know like do you feel as if the reputation of these games kind of set a high standard for like what's to come
00:13:51
Speaker
Oh, I definitely think so. I mean, because obviously, so you had like, I think the games, all the Star Wars games that released in that kind of like, early to mid 2000s period, like really did like define like people's expectations of Star Wars games and like, kind of made the ceiling. The people were like, you know, these are the greatest games and the games that come have to try and match these. So obviously you had the battle fronts.
00:14:14
Speaker
and which the shooters were like, you know, top of the pile. But then you had the Knights of the Old Republic round, round, not, it was around the same time, wasn't it? It might have been a year, a year earlier. I can't remember when I, I've not really played much of Knights of the Old Republic. I played a little bit when I was a kid and it just, it wasn't a game for me like at that time. But that's not to take anything away because I know people have huge like respect and love for that game.
00:14:39
Speaker
you know rightly so it does seem amazing but that really defined you know that's like a star wars game as well people were like right this is amazing like everything has to has to match this now there was also that um uh what was it called there was that real-time strategy one is empire war yeah a lot of people really like that i i don't know really anything about that one other than the name and there's real-time strategy but
00:15:01
Speaker
I think a lot of people really like that one as well. So it just seemed to this kind of period, there were lots of these, lots of these Star Wars games that were just like, they were just churning out these great titles and a great title after great title. And then it just, I don't think it almost ruined like, it was such a high bar set for what came. And it really kind of seems to be maybe only of recent years that like some of the Star Wars games are starting, people are starting to be like, right, these can be, you know, these are reaching the tops here of Star Wars games.
00:15:26
Speaker
It's just, I'm thinking back to when it all changed and I don't want to go off on the rant to be like, Disney ruined Star Wars, you know? Speaking of original hot takes, let's just dive in the Japan to be controversial.
00:15:42
Speaker
Disney wrote Navigan. Now because I'm thinking like the last games that came out under LucasArts, it was things like the Force on Leish series and you know games like that before they started rebooting the... was it the Battlefront franchise actually? Was that the first games that kinda came out? Umm... That's a good question.
00:16:04
Speaker
certainly yeah so the first the battlefront got re rebooted in 2015 so i'm trying to think what came out either obviously as you said like the foursome the two foursome leashes were before that but um in that kind of last period before LucasArts a lot of EA monopolized it was a
00:16:22
Speaker
So there was Star Wars Galaxies which the only reason I know about it is because I bought like this
Curiosity about MMOs
00:16:32
Speaker
back in the day like years and years ago I bought like this five in one disc thing where it had like Empire at War and the original Battlefront like all these really
00:16:42
Speaker
like good games and at the end of it and it's like also here's a trial for Star Wars Galaxies it was like okay never here never played it I think they actually shut it down because if I can remember why they shut it down but I think that towards the end of it they were just like oh by the way I think it was really hard to be like a Jedi and it
00:17:06
Speaker
you had to just be like a bog standard you know like running about guy or smuggler or whatever and then at the end it was like Oprah where it was like you're a Jedi you're a Jedi and then I think they just said it ruined the game and just everyone just went nuts before they shut down the servers but
00:17:23
Speaker
You're right, they still have one ongoing just now called The Old Republic, which I have to admit I have downloaded it, but I have not tried out yet. I'm really curious, like, to see what it's like. I mean, I'm not a huge MMO person. I have to say, like, different tastes and things. It could be amazing in terms of MMOs, but yeah, I think the MMO I've really played is... I know, this'll get us in so basic, but I think the only MMO I've played is World of Warcraft.
00:17:54
Speaker
Well that and Lord of the Rings online but that was a brief stint. That was a brief stint. I did it for a dare, I swear.
00:18:03
Speaker
I didn't create a whole bit of bard this way. I didn't do in touch. Don't give me away. Yeah, don't worry. I'll cut this bit out. But do you know what? One thing, it's actually funny talking about like that period before it was rebooted. I was just scrolling through because there's hundreds of these things. I was scrolling through to try and get a sense.
Kinect Star Wars Critique
00:18:24
Speaker
My eyes were drawn to one that I'd completely forgotten about, but I remember at the time being notorious and people like absolutely hating on it at the time, rightly so.
00:18:33
Speaker
which was the Kinect Star Wars game in 2012. I remember that one for the 360s Kinect, which had, I think you could do some lightsaber fighting, quote, you know, lightsaber fighting with the Kinect. But I remember most about it, not that I ever played it, but from what I see. I remember it had a dance game, which is like some like cheap, terrible, like, it's like a just dance knockoff. Yeah. And they like, did they not like take like popular songs at the time and like tortuously rework it?
00:19:03
Speaker
Yeah, like instead of... I don't even know the song, but I think it's a writing solo or something like that. But instead of that, the lyrics are really written, so it's, I'm Han Solo, so it's like, I'm Han Solo, I'm Han Solo. And you're like, oh Jesus. I bet you the person writing it was just like, Billy, you've done it again.
00:19:26
Speaker
genius! You know you're like oh god oh god just just please stop please no more but yeah apparently and I was kind of looking up like or looking into the games like before I came on and yeah there's like
00:19:42
Speaker
I love game modes and that. There's the dancing one, there's the lightsaber action which apparently is very on the rails. It's not great at all. There's a pod racing one, ironically enough.
00:19:59
Speaker
yeah but like it's the same you kind of have to put out your hands and like move left and right but it keeps you like on the track so like you can't crash or if you do crash it brings you like right into the middle so you're kind of like oh okay we're doing this are we are we thank you connect
00:20:17
Speaker
Can I just say, I was just looking at Wikipedia page for the next Star Wars and I was looking at some of the songs that they reworked. They reworked YMCA into Empire Today. Oh, that is amazing. Oh, I thought I listened to that one. That sounds amazing.
00:20:39
Speaker
Yeah, I'm actually just wondering if it's backwards compatible with the Xbox One. Yeah, I kept thinking about this, whether to go public or not, to be like, if it's backwards compatible, should I get it to try it on stream?
00:20:55
Speaker
Well I have it for the Xbox One because I was back in the day where I was kind of getting FOMO with it because everyone said the Kinect's terrible and I was like well maybe it's not that bad like I didn't get it with my Xbox like I got it out of CEX like I think for like £30 or something which probably is too much because I don't think I've ever plugged it in since like
00:21:18
Speaker
sometimes it doesn't work like i could say like xbox off and it would turn it off but if i say xbox on it's like it almost feels as if i'm bullying it because it won't turn on i'm yelling at it going xbox please turn on i'm too lazy i unplugged mine i bought an xbox one when you had to get a connector with it oh yeah i've unplugged mine and i don't even know where i put it now i'm putting a dark corner to think on it
00:21:46
Speaker
have a good hard look at it so. Do you know like going off in a slight tangent here but I think the only time I properly played on the Kinect was at yours when they played d4, dark droops don't die yep. Connect just to play that game.
00:22:01
Speaker
And the only reason I used the Kineet was because I was sitting in front of the camera by accident and it picked up my body and I was like, oh, so you want to use the Kineet? Do you? And I was like, wait, no, no, no, stop, please. And then I went and hit all the controllers so you had to use the Kineet. Yeah.
00:22:17
Speaker
Oh god, that was rough. That was a rough experience. But I don't think they ever brought out a Star Wars game for the Kinect. In fact, they didn't bring out much for the Kinect after that, but that's another chat tsunami on the horizon. When did that game come out for the Xbox 360, or was it the Xbox One? No, it was 2012, it was the 360. Oh, was it? Right. I wondered if they did make it backwards compatible, because see if they did. I have so many questions.
00:22:45
Speaker
It says, under platforms, it only has the 360 at the minute, but I don't know whether that means it might be. I mean, I can't imagine why they wouldn't get such a stone-cold classic and make it backwards compatible. I mean, that is true. Although, I tell you what, if this was backwards compatible, at the time the game still aren't, I think I would have flipped my monitor if I'd read that. I honestly don't blame you if that was the case. I would have been raging.
00:23:13
Speaker
I mean, at least the PlayStation 1's backwards compatible, I think. Well, I mean, for time-scatters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not for the PlayStation Move version of it. Well, they actually got the Kinect on. God, someone's probably like, what do you call that? Where it's like, they rework the hardware. Where it's like, yes. I've got... Oh, sorry.
00:23:38
Speaker
I'm sorry, sorry because I'm imagining some industrial espionage here. Somebody from Sony is stealing a Kinect under their coat and a copy of Star Wars Kinect and just luncheonly whistling and walking out with these things under and trying to reverse engineer them. Can you imagine? Right, so you know how piracy in gaming is a big thing? Can you imagine being caught for not only pirating a game but pirating this game?
00:24:10
Speaker
We're not arresting you because you're pirating. We're arresting you because you pirated this game. We're arresting you because you've got terrible taste. You might be removed from society. It's better for us than it is for you. Let's go. Here's a question though. Has there ever been like a Star Wars game that you've seen and you've really wanted to play it but you never really had the chance to play it until much later
Game Backlogs and Interests
00:24:36
Speaker
on? Oh good question.
00:24:38
Speaker
Do you know what, I was very like, I've not played it and it's not like I can't play, but like, I was really intrigued by fall in order, but I honestly just have such a backlog of games and I used to get the time now and with it being like one of these like longer games, I'm just like, oh, such a commitment. That's why I was like, I could get, I could get fall in order or I could get pod racer, which I can say like, yeah, I get to play for 15 minutes.
00:25:06
Speaker
No, do you know it's scary because I think exactly the same thing. I mean I've got Fallen Order and I have like streamed it before but I feel as if after that stream I wasn't really that enthralled with it and I don't know like it was the same kind of feeling I felt with you know like Red Dead Redemption. As I said I'm not calling them bad games or anything but it's just because there's so much to do.
00:25:30
Speaker
You know and you're just sitting there thinking I just want a simple story A to B and I feel bad because like do you remember when The Force Unleashed came out and that is literally just a linear story where you could get collectibles but the story was you get from point A to point B and you know you probably got people saying oh I wish there was more you know exploration or I wish there was more this or that and Fallen Order is like perfect for that and it's got like good systems and everything but I just can't be
Battlefront's Evolution
00:25:59
Speaker
bothered.
00:25:59
Speaker
I just look at it and I'm like, I don't want to play you, do they? It's such an investment of time, isn't it? It really is. Sometimes you just want to flip on a game and just play a couple of rounds of something. That's what Battlefront 2, the old one, was really good for. But the reboot, that is... where'd I begin with that? Have you ever heard of the Supremacy mode?
00:26:24
Speaker
Well, I actually got Battlefront 2 not long ago. What did you do? Maybe a couple weeks ago maybe? Maybe a week ago? I've been mostly playing the single player campaign, which is fine. Single player campaign. The story is actually nonsense.
00:26:42
Speaker
But the set of pieces are kind of entertaining and it looks nice. I never really touched, I at least played one round of multiplayer today. Actually in preparation, just in case we talked about Battlefront II, I did play Supremacy. I had quite, I mean, I've only played one round in fairness, so I can't really judge a full thing, but I had fun playing it.
00:26:59
Speaker
I like the idea of it, but I feel as if it goes on for far too long. Like, I get that's the point of it. So basically, sorry, just to explain to people who haven't played it, Supremacy is basically like a tug of war game. So it's like, you have to capture, I think it's like a couple of, like,
00:27:15
Speaker
specific control points like the original games and if you capture more than the enemy within a set time limit then the enemy have to retreat and they retreat into their like capital like flagship and then you have to fight your way through that ship and destroy their like engines or whatever it is inside but if you don't
00:27:36
Speaker
then it kicks you back onto like the main map where you have to do all of that all over again and don't get me wrong like in a way it's fun but see if you keep winning and losing winning and losing i feel as if it would just get very repetitive like i must have played a different game mode because that was definitely not the one i played so i must have played i thought i played supremacy but i must have been playing someone else but yeah that that that that's very much in the mold of the battlefield
00:28:01
Speaker
kind of games where they have their very long, drawn out ones. So yeah, they can be, I agree with what you're saying, they can be fun, but sometimes they're using such a time sink. I think I have to admit though, I feel as if the new one, obviously because of the updated graphics and everything, but I feel as if the new one's a lot more intense than the old one. Like the old one, you know, you see, but what's fine, you're like, all right, okay, there's a pixel, there's a pixel. But when you see this, you're like, Jesus, get down!
00:28:28
Speaker
get everything like but i remember the like again i think as well like it's a thing of time as well isn't it like at the time i remember when when battle when the sorry when the original battlefront 2 came out i wish they told them something different yeah but yeah when the original battlefront 2 came out i remember being like oh like part of the reason i loved it so much and the same with like the original battlefront
00:28:50
Speaker
It was like, oh my god, you're part of these giant battles and everything, which don't really hold up now, as you say, as you correctly point out. They look a bit hokey now compared to especially new ones. But I remember at the time being like, oh, you know, he'd just been this little cog in a giant, gliding battle. It was really cool.
00:29:07
Speaker
I don't know, I have to admit, I bought, I think I kind of moaned to you about this when I got the game, but I bought the first remake of, erm, or reboot, technically, of Battlefront and I really did not enjoy it.
00:29:23
Speaker
I don't know what it was but there was just kind of this instant hatred when I started playing it because I was like why is there tokens on the field why is there this why is there that and I honestly felt like an old man saying that like not my Star Wars but you know it's like this is just a mishmash of ideas and don't get me wrong I feel as if like and I yeah like
00:29:44
Speaker
again, I'm kind of running on stereotypes by saying, oh, it's EA's fault. But, you know, it's like, I feel as if technically they've gotten better with the franchise over time. Like, I mean, would you say that? Like, counting from... When did they start? I suppose, like, they're kind of, quote unquote, Helms, like, you know, stewardship of things started with the first Battlefront. Yeah. Because that when they got the license, it looks like 2013. It looks like the Battlefront was the first big one to come out.
00:30:14
Speaker
I guess I don't know like because it's a funny thing because I think I think when they were each of their game maybe apart from fallen order I think falling about this and I don't actually I don't know much about squadrons so I won't say much about okay I'll just talk based on my two battle for games yeah it seems that when those games first got released they were released in not the best shape you know like about about the original battle from when it was the reboot lacked a lot of content while the battle front 2 was mired in the in the mic in that microtransaction like content
00:30:44
Speaker
Oh, that was horrific. Absolutely shellacking the game. Before it came out and when it came out on release it was absolutely lambasted. But they both games did make a recovery. I think Battlefront II's made a spectacular recovery. People seemed to really love it as a game. And even the first Battlefront, I'd given up by that point, but they seemed to add a lot of content. I said I'd kind of put it aside by that point.
00:31:07
Speaker
So I think with those two games, they started off rocky, but I think they did kind of make a recovery with them. It's quite surprising though. As you said, they really... I think there was a thing on Reddit where they did an EMA and people were asking them, you know, why are you putting in these microtransactions? And I think he came away with some like, bull answer like, oh, it's good for the player or, you know, basically trying to gaslight people to say,
00:31:36
Speaker
it's good for you don't you believe us and it's like everybody nobody like hooked on to it and everybody like downvoted them and just like it was a massacre it was like a verbal massacre towards them and the game's reputation but i should have said it was like an order 66 on the reputation but you know star wars yeah i'm getting out all the references as quick as possible like gotta get them but yeah like
00:32:03
Speaker
from that to what it is now.
Variety in Star Wars Games
00:32:06
Speaker
It's just so surprising how it's kind of evolved, but I feel as if in a way as well there's very much kind of a uniformality, if you know what I mean, if that's even the word, where it's like, they're all kind of, I mean again, I'm not like a game developer by any means, so like take
00:32:24
Speaker
these words or this opinion with a pinch of salt but feels as if they all follow like a kind of standard formula and I don't know whether that's just me looking with rose tinted glasses like on the old games when they kind of had room to explore and you know like do different things with the franchise you know it's like I mean you had
00:32:45
Speaker
a huge PS slash well a shooter game in the form of Battlefront you had a again a kind of shooter adventure game with Star Wars bounty hunter which is actually the game I was going to bring up earlier but that was a game did you ever play a bounty hunter when it came out? It's like the story's interesting but I've kind of looked back and people yeah do not rate it as kind of holding up and I'm like I could see why
00:33:14
Speaker
Because I had real difficulties playing it when I was younger. It is a solid game. It is really difficult. I don't think I ever completed it. But I mean, you've got those kind of games. You had Empire at War, which is an RTS. It is an RTS, isn't it? It's like a strategy game, anyway. It's like in the vein of like...
00:33:33
Speaker
command and conquer i think yeah or total war maybe even yeah yeah i mean you had those kind of ones although it's funny to kind of see that the most popular ones were either the ones with jedi or ones you could shoot things and the one i'm thinking off the top of my head is republic commando which yeah yeah that was just such a highlight i don't think i played that until like maybe a couple years ago same for me
00:34:01
Speaker
yeah like i played it really late on because funny enough i remember i had the it was like the dvd for the 2003 clone war series and that had a demo for it that you could put into your console the only thing was it was only for the xbox and i didn't have an xbox at the time
00:34:21
Speaker
So I never got to try it. I was like, oh man. I was like, oh that sucks. But when I played it, that's a game that holds up surprisingly well. It's got really cool stuff in it actually. It's actually quite, for its time I think as well, it was actually quite like, if you look at it now, it was actually quite far ahead of time with the things it did. Yeah, I was just, I'm the same as you. I only played it, I think I only played 2019. I think it was the first time I played it. I just got it on sale for the Xbox One.
00:34:49
Speaker
So it's just the port of the original Xbox game. I think it's been re-released now for, like, it's been remastered for Switch and PS4. Is that on the Switch? I think it is now, yeah, or it's certainly going to be released on Switch. But, like, the Xbox version is just still the original port. But, like, yeah, no, I had a lot of fun with that. I mean, I remember, I'm excited for it when it first came out.
00:35:10
Speaker
in 2005. I remember playing a demo for it but the funny thing was when I played the demo so I had to do some stuff and I think what happened was like my squad mates glitched out so I had to get them to do something like blow up a wall or something. The game glitched, the demo glitched out a bit.
00:35:25
Speaker
And so like, rather than just being a rational person and just restarting it, in my child's mind, I was like, well, this game is clearly broken. Even though it was a demo and it wasn't actually the game, I was like, I want nothing to do with this piece of trash. And I never touched it again for 14 years.
00:35:46
Speaker
but I was out with a dumb child as well. I'm just laughing because see if you had YouTube back then I can imagine the reviews just like terrible game broken we're not we're not playing it anymore it's a full like strop in front of my webcam yelling into my blue Yeti mic
00:36:02
Speaker
Exactly. Instead of the angry video game there, it's the angry video game sandwich now. That's true. There's brain mail everywhere. The horror isn't there.
00:36:20
Speaker
Or? Yeah, I'm gonna say it now though. I think that Republic Commando in terms of the AI, I think that holds up a lot better than Call of Duty AI in the new games. I'm gonna say that now and I'm gonna put my foot down and the reason I say that is because I went off in a massive rant
00:36:40
Speaker
when I was talking to you about Modern Warfare, not the original, sorry, the remaster. I think it was the 2019 one. And the reason being, so just to give you a bit of context, imagine, you know, you're playing the new Modern Warfare, you think, wow, this game looks absolutely beautiful, you know.
00:36:57
Speaker
You know, Treyarch, or not Treyarch, sorry, Infinity Ward, they have done a fantastic job with this game. Imagine going to the start of a level, not even a combat situation, and one of the AI just starts moonwalking, right on the spot. Not moving, like when you hit them, like when you shoot them, when you throw grenades at them, just not moving at all. And it means it softlocks the game so I can't continue. That happened to me about three separate times throughout the game. And the first time I played Republic Commando, I had
00:37:26
Speaker
None of that. So you know what? Republic Commando is a lot better in terms of AI. And it's astonishing to see how well it's held up over the years, isn't it? It is. It is. It's a real shame that they never got a sequel, especially because it ended on a cliffhanger. Oh yeah, they... If everyone plays this game, it ends on a cliffhanger. Although I think they released some books, so if you really want to, you can go books.
00:37:47
Speaker
But that's like, it wasn't it. Yeah, but you know, we want a game. I want to play, I want to shoot some droids. But no, it was really, even, you know, even small things, there's something I still like really marvel at. I don't remember, but it probably can be, you know, sometimes like if you shoot like an enemy, say you shoot a droid up, quite up close, like it's like, it's flu when it explodes, the fluid will like spread onto your advisor. And then like, you get the kind of like,
00:38:12
Speaker
cleaning thing that comes across. Yeah. That's a really cool. That's a really cool touch. And I quite like the fact that the camera was sort of ensconced inside the helmet of the clone rather than, you know, like a lot of shoes. It's like, it's almost like a GoPro or something. I guess like you could imagine the attached, you know, you're not actually inside like the characters like helmet or anything like that. I thought it was just really cool details like that.
00:38:32
Speaker
It was really neat. Sorry, I'm just laughing because I remember I think a lot of FPS games, or just like a lot of first person games, don't give you a character like a head. They just like, they have, you have basically like a disembodied, or not disembodied, but like, disembodied just without a head, but it's got like a camera on top of it. So like, when you're walking around, you're just like, where is my head? And obviously that's because it's like, to save. Like, there's no point rendering a head if you're not going to be seeing it, really.
00:39:00
Speaker
unless it's like cyberpunk or something where it's like you look in the mirror and you think well technically you're thinking gee yeah exactly where are my clothes and it's like oh yeah where's my head okay that's the cyberpunk um obligatory bashing segment done it's not a good thing you're interested in every episode i mean not all that i'm not in favor of it but is it now a thing yeah i feel it's the only thing do you know it's going to develop to be a good game eventually like after its five year manifesto but
00:39:30
Speaker
Look after that. I'm sure I'll be fine. Enemy, sorry. Moving quickly on. Trash for now, though. Trash what? Trash for now, I was just joking. Oh yeah, yeah. For now, yeah.
00:39:41
Speaker
But speaking of trash actually, should we bring up the elephant in the room for Star Wars games? Because I've actually put it on the picture of today's episode. That of course being Star Wars 1313. We use disappointed as I was. I was gutted when I heard that had been canned.
00:40:03
Speaker
so just to kind of explain briefly like 1313 was meant to be like a was it an open world game yeah i think it was gonna be uh i think it was gonna be or was it gonna be a bit like the uncharted games i think so something like that maybe like cross between those two things
00:40:18
Speaker
because apparently they had like a lot of art and everything and it's actually fascinating see if you go behind the scenes and see like the interviews with the you know the different like developers and people who worked on it because I think and again this isn't like official so I don't know but I think one of the developers had said like they were going to include things like Boba Fett in the game they were going to include
00:40:42
Speaker
I don't know whether we're going to include Jedi or not, or that was going to be the twist at the end, that oh you're a Jedi.
Cancelled Projects and Disappointments
00:40:47
Speaker
You know, surprise, surprise, as if that's not been done before. But even still, it built it up as you just being this smuggler in the lower parts of Coruscant, and it was so cool. The idea itself was cool, but that came at the same time as that transition period between LucasArts selling their game division, or just Star Wars in general rather.
00:41:11
Speaker
to Disney. And then that's when it transitioned into the EA games. Because I think it was the last game under LucasArts, no, The Force Unleashed 2. Or it was kind of around that time. There might have been more. I'm genuinely hoping it's not, Em. Do you know what? It may well have been Kinect Star Wars. Oh, surely. The Force Unleashed 2 was 2010. Kinect Star Wars is 2012. I'm definitely trying to see if there's another game. Oh, please.
00:41:40
Speaker
No, surely not. There has to be another game. It looks like there was a couple of handheld mobile games. I don't know if that's any better. You know what? We'll take it. Anything but that.
00:41:58
Speaker
I can't believe that's the last thing. I know they trashed Disney, but if that was LucasArts last time, it was getting better. Maybe it was like a mercy that they may have taken away from them. What, you mean the digital version of Mice and Men? Taking LucasArts back out. Tell me about the Kinect, George.
00:42:27
Speaker
There's actually a comic about that kind of story slightly off-topic, but if you've seen that, the George R. Binks comic, where they introduce his dad. I think his name's like George Binks or something. He's like something like that. I can't remember what it is, but he's like a very...
00:42:43
Speaker
He's like a very, you know, like, established sailor or something like that. And he's a gungun as well. But it's like, it's when... I don't know if that... I genuinely don't know if this is a parody or not, but the only, like, main clip that sticks in my head is they get marooned, so it's him, his wife and Jar Jar as a child, like, running about. And he takes a blaster and puts it to his head and, you know, like, his wife saying, George, you know, don't do it. Think of your family.
00:43:12
Speaker
and then he pulls the trigger and it's like... Jesus! Yeah, it's like this is just a whole comic where it's just like... Apparently it doesn't kill... Yeah, it doesn't kill him. It's like... It's not like a blaster-proof head. It's something like that. Yeah, the Jar Jar franchise is strong. I mean... Have you not seen them in Battlefront?
00:43:35
Speaker
Well, you know, that's a fair point. Good point. Yeah, they're just bulletproof. I mean, they were in this franchise for three films and the entirety of The Clone Wars, so, you know, surely. They can't die, I think, is basically what I'm trying to say here. The Gungoods can't die.
00:43:53
Speaker
Which is a phrase I never thought I would say tonight, so yes. One other thing, kind of looking back and pretending that Star Wars Connect doesn't exist, the Force unleashed. See when that came out, did you play it? No, I've never played either of them. Really? Yeah. I don't know if it's on Game Pass, and this is something I always say, so apologies. It might be. I think a game was. Lots of Star Wars games went on.
00:44:15
Speaker
Yeah, I think it is, but it's just the only reason I bring it up is, I was just going to ask, did you know what the difference was between the Wii version and the Xbox version? Oh, I know it's a difference, but it's got out my mind what it is. So I remember, so kind of.
00:44:31
Speaker
Slashing back into the past of Young Satsu, I remember seeing the trailers everywhere on TV, on buses and things, thinking this game looks really cool, and at the time the graphics looked
00:44:46
Speaker
absolutely fantastic and you know there was the rumours that so basically the plot of it is you're a young force sensitive child that kind of gets taken away by Darth Vader and he like raises you to be his next apprentice and everything and like the premise is like you're doing secret missions for him and then you know it's like are you gonna be good are you gonna be bad you know what all of that
00:45:10
Speaker
you can basically configure your lightsaber throughout it so you can have like different colors of it and things. Like they were doing this long before like Jedi Fallen Order were doing it and it was really cool. So I thought because I had a Wii at the time everyone was saying oh it's and this was long before the Kinect and the like PlayStation moved but it was like oh that means I can wave my
00:45:32
Speaker
you know wave the wee remote as a lightsaber and I thought that was really cool I'm gonna do that so I remember buying the game and I think it was like a way I was like in a different city at the time so I couldn't get home until like the next day to play the game so like I had like a full day of hype within me and I ran home like eventually as soon as we got the train back I ran home like I plugged it in I was like
00:45:55
Speaker
oh boy i can't wait to play this and the graphics were absolutely they were genuinely like playstation 2, playstation 1 graphics and i was just like what what is this like i'm not even kidding like see the way they advertise see the way they advertise the like
00:46:16
Speaker
xbox game because that was the one that was on like all the posters and things but then you play the wee one and don't get me wrong the wee one is a lot of fun but the graphics just did not hold up whatsoever
00:46:31
Speaker
Do you see what I mean though? Like, they are... Like, can you imagine, like, you know, being in the Xbox C60, you know, where, like, all these really, you know, like, graphically challenging games come out, and then you get that, and you're just like, oh, okay. Which pixel's Darth Vader?
00:46:57
Speaker
It's not the worst, obviously good graphics don't make, you know, it doesn't make a game bad, 9 times out of 10. Sometimes it can, but no, not for that. But I never actually played the sequel though, did you?
00:47:13
Speaker
I've not played either of them, but from what I understand, the sequel isn't as good. The story's quite confused, from what I understand. I think it involves a lot of clones. People started getting cloned. I was like, which one am I? I was like, oh god. Oh no, I'm trying to figure this out. Did you say that came out in 2010?
00:47:31
Speaker
Right, okay. No, that's fine. Because I was thinking, this would sound like a very weird comparison, so bear with me. But I just remember Shadow the Hedgehog doing something very simple in 2005, and I'm like, please god no. There wasn't like a fanatic who was like a Star Wars ansonic man, just like, can't move clones. It's like clones. I don't like it.
00:47:56
Speaker
I'm absolutely joking when I say that by the way. I truly don't believe that they copy Shadow the Hedgehog of all things. God can you imagine though? Can you imagine years later when they turn old and then were just reading the news and it's like former creator confesses to copying Shadow the Hedgehog and is like, I know it! I have evidence!
00:48:22
Speaker
Oh just speaking of like speaking of since we're talking about 1313 and it being cancelled this wasn't the only uh star wars game that's been cancelled um a high sorry high profile a star wars game that's been cancelled this also happened under ea's watch as well which i think is i think this is probably the lowest point i know i know like that the release of the two battlefront games was worth
00:48:41
Speaker
great. But I think that this story I'm about to tell is the lowest point for EA's stewardship of the of the Star Wars franchise, which was there was going to be like a single player, a standalone single player Star Wars game released, which was done was going to be done by that Visceral Studios who mostly was doing Dead Space games. And I think I think it was going to be this is why I get a little bit confused between it and 1313. Because I think this one is basically known as Project Ragtag.
00:49:06
Speaker
is what its development name was known. And so Ragtag was going to be like an Uncharted style adventure thing. So again, I don't think it was like Jedi's and stuff. I think it was that kind of maybe bounty hunters or smugglers or something like that. Like a normal Joe, as opposed to a Jedi or a Sith or anything. And then the story allegedly goes, and this is my favorite, but also the video game story that makes me the most angry.
00:49:31
Speaker
I think I've told you this before, so apologies for repeating, but anybody hasn't heard it. So apparently what happened, legend goes, is that the Visceral Studio employees who were working on the game made a presentation up for some of the higher-ups in EA to show them how their plans were for the game, how their development was going, what their plans were to do next. And so they ran through all of it, and this is what our vision is, this is what we've done so far, this is what we're going to do.
00:49:53
Speaker
And apparently at the end of the presentation, after all that, the EA, one of the EA executives went, yeah, but what's your version of FIFA Ultimate Team? So for people who don't know, FIFA Ultimate Team in FIFA is that mode where you unlock packs of cards and they have random players in them and everything. And the idea is that you kind of build your own team. And so you don't know what you're going to get.
00:50:16
Speaker
You might get a really good player, but you might not. You have to buy these cards with points, which you think you can either earn or you can pay money to get points and stuff. It was just that perfect summation of the EA management's vision.
00:50:32
Speaker
How can we monetize this? And so not long after that, I think that the game was canceled, the game was canned. I think Visceral Studios went under as well, not to be. So I don't know whether some of that got maybe put into fallen order after a while, but that, for me, that story is what I think is the real, like, just low point of EA helming the Star Wars video game franchise series. No, yeah.
00:50:56
Speaker
I mean speaking of like kind of cancelled games like that and again I know we brought it up earlier about being quite bitter about the or rather me ranting about it but you know like about the how they tried to do the same thing with Battlefront 2 and then they just like the fanbase weren't having it and they had to like backtrack some early
00:51:17
Speaker
But I think one of the tragedies, and I'm not talking about Plagueis here, but one of the greatest tragedies was Battlefront III. Which, I don't know, have you seen like the behind the scenes stuff for it? No, I haven't. Like, honest to god, they got really far into development. They basically had a story mode where, I think it was just basically you played this like, I think you played a clone trooper that was hunting down the Jedi and
00:51:42
Speaker
I don't know if he was force sensitive or not, I can't remember but it was like you know like a cat and mouse thing and it looked quite interesting but what you also had which I thought was quite cool was you know into they introduced the like the original 2005 one they introduced the space battles and the land battles but you know they were very separate they were you know they didn't marry them together for this they actually gave you the opportunity
00:52:08
Speaker
so you could be like on land and then you could just fly up into space seamlessly and then take the battle there which i thought was like a really cool idea and there was all these kind of like cool concepts that they had and they're like oh we're gonna do this we're gonna do that and it's just kind of heartbreaking to see that they had all of that and then they were just like yeah bad news guys were kind of shutting up shop here and it's like oh
00:52:33
Speaker
it's like oh no I mean I think technically and I never played it but technically there was a Battlefront 3 but it was for the PlayStation Vita and it was like Star Wars I can't remember if it was like Star Wars Rebellion or Squad or something I can't even remember what it was called it was Star Wars something I don't know
00:52:56
Speaker
Renegade Squadron. I think that was it, yeah. But yeah, it was like, I mean, it's all right. But I mean, did you know many people with it? And again, I'm not bashing like Sony here. But I mean, did you know anybody with a PlayStation Vita? I didn't know many people with a PSP left. I presume maybe it was on the Vita about five people played it then maybe. Like I remember seeing like someone in the playground when I was at school.
00:53:20
Speaker
like had to put up ESP and just be like what the hell is that it's just like all right okay that's the PlayStation Vita you know with all of its like DVDs and games and stuff that person ever again yeah
00:53:35
Speaker
I actually can't remember who it was and I think that says a lot about the Vita or just the PSP in general. It's like, yeah, if you get a Vita, you'll become invisible, which is either a help or a hindrance. Nah, I'm off. You'll have chosen poorly.
00:53:53
Speaker
would you say there's any particular, so I'll give you a quick question, is there any particular Star Wars game that you think excels and won, that was like a major disappointment?
Favorite Games and Enduring Appeal
00:54:07
Speaker
I think if you're asking me my favourite of the Star Wars game, gameplay, it's the original Battlefront II.
00:54:14
Speaker
It's still my favourite. I remember how much I enjoyed it when I played it. I remember how cool it was. I've gone back and played it a couple of times. I still enjoy it. It's dated. I still think it's a really enjoyable game. It's easy to get into and play. Yeah, I've really enjoyed that one. The Republic Commander we talked about, I think it's great. It's still great. I really actually like the LEGO Star Wars games. I thought they were actually a lot of fun.
00:54:39
Speaker
Yeah, I'll give a quick shout out to those ones. And then finally, one I played recently, which is a very, which is an old style work, also I was getting now from 1995, which was dark forces, which is like an FPS in the same style of like, dude,
00:54:56
Speaker
Jupyukum, Wolfenstein, games like that, which again, it's dated now and it's a bit tricky to get into in terms of how it plays, but actually I quite like the story and I like the environment. They've got a lot of cool environments, I think, and everything. I should really enjoy it. You can pick it up quite cheap on Steam if you're interested. I thought that was a really good one. In terms of, oh, disappointments.
00:55:15
Speaker
You know what, I don't think if any of this, I mean, I think the closest, I don't think I've ever been fully disappointed by a game, the Star Wars game that I play. I think maybe the closest was the reboot of Battlefront. Now when I got that, I really enjoyed it when I played it. When I played it for the first while, I thought the graphics looked amazing. I really loved being part of large scale battles and everything.
00:55:35
Speaker
And I think as well, I kind of had a good wave of nostalgia and I was like, oh, it's so good to battle from the back again, you know, that I don't think I properly like kind of thought about it. And then it was only after my ever while I was like, and there's not much in this game. I don't think this is a great game.
00:55:51
Speaker
like overall I didn't have a it wasn't disappointing to begin with but it really kind of sunk into me after a while and I said I know like it got a lot more content added and everything to it but I checked out by the time that happened so you know I didn't get the benefit from that so that would be that I'll pick that one for my my greatest disappointment and also 1313B count. One day, one day we can see it off.
00:56:13
Speaker
You know, I'm gonna kind of like jump off the back of that and say like I completely agree with you for the reboot of the first Battlefront. I don't know what it is because I know they're like a competent developer when they want to be. And the reason I say that is because I remember playing Battlefield 3, like the multiplayer.
00:56:32
Speaker
and that came out like long before the reboot came out and it was probably one of my favourite experiences of playing a shooter game, you know, online. So I know technically they do have the resources for it and there was like so much potential of just like, even if they went the lazy route and they just put a skin over like Battlefield 4 or Battlefield 3, then
00:56:53
Speaker
I would have been happy, you know, like, because it was so good. But it's the fact you start off with like a pistol and it's like you could buy like pistols that were better and it's like there was no... I don't know. It's just everything about it just felt kind of repetitive, boring. There wasn't much in it. Like, as you said, they might have added more content now.
00:57:13
Speaker
I think back then it was kind of like... I would say that's probably one of my disappointments or one of the games that I felt disappointed in. For the ones that succeeded though, again, going back to Battlefront II, it's like you can't really go wrong with that, can you? Like the original Battlefront II.
00:57:33
Speaker
I mean, there's just so many that you could go back to. Like, Empire at War as well, absolutely love. See, actually, this is the thing. Like, I love the space battles. For a battle, uh, Empire at War, I didn't really like the ground battles in it.
00:57:50
Speaker
I feel as if they're very like, I wouldn't say copy-paste, they're not the worst I've ever seen, but they're just very standard. They're just kind of like, eh, they're okay, you know? They're serviceable, but it's like the real kind of, oh I can't wait to throw, like, you know, all of my star destroys it.
00:58:08
Speaker
little rebel scum you know at once like there's just something there's definitely something very entertaining about it I mean even a shout out to some of the western owned ones like Rogue One although it does have its problems but Rogue One was not Rogue One sorry Rogue Squadron so I nearly I nearly praised the film nearly I caught myself in the end yeah you were you know a crack in your sandwich and I was there being like oh you know
00:58:39
Speaker
Yeah, Rogue Squadron rather. That was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed that. And I enjoyed Jedi Outcast as well. Granted I didn't play a lot of it because when I played it I was younger and I got lost quite easily. So I kept shooting the stormtroopers and I was like, where am I going?
00:58:57
Speaker
I mean, the LEGO games, as you said. Even, like, I don't remember much of it, but Jedi Starfighter was good as well. Just trying to think. Even Clone Wars. I'll go as far to say that Clone Wars was a good one. I liked it at the time. It was like, I replayed that in the vehicle combat when we were talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I replayed that so many times when I was young. I loved it. I went back and played it a few years ago, and I was like, oh, this doesn't really, this doesn't really help now, but I loved it at the time.
00:59:25
Speaker
Yeah, because they've got, technically they do have a game based on the 2008 series. It was not received well. Oh no. It was really packed. Like, apparently it's like one of the worst rated Star Wars games of all time. Yeah. Like, I was like, surely it can't be that bad. And I'm not brave enough to buy it and play it on stream or anything. Yeah, yeah. Just, I watched the videos and people were reviewing it and they were just like, this is awful. And it's like, yeah, this is...
00:59:54
Speaker
it's just slowly just like yeah this is this is terrible this is a terrible terrible game or it looks like a terrible game and i mean even like force unleashed i thought the first one of the very least was a lot of fun because apparently the Wii version actually is the only one that has a two player mode yeah so you can basically duel people so when this all walked
01:00:20
Speaker
so that's it honestly i mean this like in the nicest way but it's probably going to come out a really like a great way to be like yeah when the lockdown's over you know you me jewel yeah challenging someone to a jewel live on twitch i hope that's not against the tos
01:00:37
Speaker
I'm sure it's fine. But I mean, it is a franchise that, although it's had its dips, it is still going, and I don't mean like Star Wars as a whole, like obviously that's still going, but I mean in terms of the game side, because there was quite a few years where there was just nothing in terms of Star Wars games, wasn't
Future Desires and Developments
01:00:54
Speaker
there?
01:00:54
Speaker
it does look to have been like a just getting trying to flick through the kind of timeline here but it doesn't like there was a period for a while where it did just kind of peter out i think after maybe after the prequel films were finished it was a bit of a lull and maybe why force unleashed was like a you know like a a breath of fresh air because you're like oh we haven't had like a big star wars game in a in a while and the fact that it was good as well that's true so one more question and again sorry for putting you on the spot but before we start again nothing else from chat tsunami then to me
01:01:24
Speaker
Yeah, you know, when you signed the contract, but she technically didn't, but yeah, well it's not going to... You knew what... Yeah, you knew what you were getting yourself into. When you took on the sandwich avatar, you knew. Now, what I was going to ask was, what would your, maybe not dream like Star Wars game be, but like, what would be a game from the Star Wars franchise you would like to see in the future?
01:01:51
Speaker
for me. So I'm not like the biggest Star Wars fan. Like I've seen, I've seen the film, I've seen all the films and I've played quite a few of the games and stuff, but I'm not, I was, I'm the biggest Star Wars fan. But what I've always found most, most interesting about the Star Wars universe is like the actual just ordinary, I say quote unquote ordinary people.
01:02:08
Speaker
but basically not the Jedi. I like stories, I'll say for the most part, I like the stories that kind of focus more on ordinary characters and stuff. Whether they're part of the Rebellion Empire or whatever, just people who don't have force powers. So I would like to see more games in the Star Wars universe that focus on people like that.
01:02:31
Speaker
that's why 1313 sounded so interesting because it was going to be a very, because well it was going to be quite like a, I say dark and gritty, probably wouldn't have been like the darkest or grittiest game, you know, it's not a game, but it was going to be a more dark and gritty take, so I'd love to see something like that, something akin to what 1313 was supposed to be like, you know, whether it's like a smuggler or bounty hunter, whatever, but you know, kind of like going into like the kind of denizens and like the kind of slum maybe parts or whatever you want to pick.
01:02:58
Speaker
a game like that I mean you know whether it's a kind of platformer style one like Uncharted or whether it's more kind of you know action focused or if it's like an open world one I don't really mind so much but I would like to see a game you know with the focus on something like a more quote-unquote ordinary character because I mean I think technically the closest we ever got was probably I mean beyond like Battlefront and those kind of games you know the
01:03:24
Speaker
like Republic Commando and things like that. I think technically the closest we got to that was Star Wars Bounty Hunter where we got to see like the kind of CD underbelly of Coruscant and you know all these different worlds and things and you got to explore and granted yeah I think that's another game that hasn't aged well but like considering what they've kind of learned nowadays and I think I can remember like if they are working on the game right now
01:03:51
Speaker
but I wouldn't be surprised if they were, because it's, you know, big money maker. Think that Ubisoft are in talks to make a new game? Yeah. Which should be interesting, but I just hope it's not another Jedi simulator, because... I mean, not that I've got anything against Jedi, but I see what you mean. It's like, it's kind of like an area that's not as explored, you know, unless it's like, in a massive scale, like Battlefront and Republic Commando, because everything else, it's either
01:04:20
Speaker
you're a Jedi or, you know, like, it would be cool. Like, I would agree with you, it would be cool to see something like that. But the other, and this may go enough in a little tangent, but like, see if it had to be a game that was like, you know, linked to the main series. And don't get me wrong, I know technically, I know technically that it's not canon anymore.
01:04:41
Speaker
but a couple of weeks ago just to give you guys context my friend Green Child and I talked about the 2003 Clone Wars series on a separate Chatsunami episode and basically like honestly it is just such uh it's like balls to the wall crazy it was just such an insane like series that like it basically like
01:05:05
Speaker
That, as the title suggests, Clone Wars. It focuses on minor, or not minor, but big skirmishes and it's always over the top. I don't know how they would do it, but honestly, if they just went off on one and were like, right, we're gonna throw this in, we're gonna throw that in, we're just gonna mix it together and pray for the best, it's like, yeah, I'm all for that.
01:05:28
Speaker
That would be cool in person. Like, I mean it probably would be something like Fallen, oh no, not like Fallen Order, just like, maybe a bit more like a linear Fallen Order, but I don't know, it would be cool kinda to see. I guess we'll find out, like, cos let's face it, nowadays Star Wars is always announcing something like 175 minutes, aren't we? I'm sure we'll find out soon.
01:05:55
Speaker
Can you wait for the next Star Wars game? Probably. I've got five minutes to spare. I'll refresh my page and see what comes up. It's like, erm, nah, nothing. I like new games have come in. Five new games have been released. It's like, you know how people make the X of Star Wars story jokes? Yeah. It's like, Jim, the janitor, a Star Wars story, you know, and things like that. Yeah, they'll probably.
01:06:21
Speaker
Funny enough, did they not make an Obi-Wan Kenobi game for the Xbox? Because the only reason they bring it up is because they had it in... I don't know if it was Blockbuster or something like that. That's how long ago I'm going back here. But they had it kind of lying out, and it was only for the Xbox, so I never got the chance to play it. I don't know. But that's not to say that it wasn't a thing. Well, it's not coming up on the list. Well, I'm not seeing an Obi-Wan game. Impossible.
01:06:50
Speaker
Perhaps the archives are incomplete. Yeah, just throwing in one more for the road. Oh no, there was one! Star Wars Obi-Wan, you're right. Oh, thank god. Oh my god, I remember that! I've never played it but I remember that cover now, I'm just looking at it. It was a great, well not creepiest, but it was the weirdest cover, wasn't it? It was just like Obi-Wan's face in the darkness and they had like a kind of
01:07:15
Speaker
I think it had a blue light. It was like a green light saber, wasn't it? Yeah, it was a green light saber. Look at the cover. I'll read out the tag. I'll read out the tag line for it. The fate of a Jedi. The destiny of a galaxy. How does that make you want to play it? It makes me more confused more than anything. I want to go home.
01:07:36
Speaker
It looks like a retailing of the Phantom Men... Well, the retailing of the Phantom Men is plus some events prior to it. Oh, okay. See, that's weird because they literally had a Phantom Menace game, which was... Can I just say, before we finish up and, as I said, start reading some comments, it's just really weird. The game for the Phantom Menace is a big top-down game.
01:08:00
Speaker
with or like you know it's like a top down point of view if that makes sense like so you're always like pointing the camera down the way as this guy's like running around there's like a lot of platforming in it as well so like see if you make like a wrong jump and end up falling down like a speeding fan or something you actually get chopped up into pieces and for ps1 times that is yeah that's brutal i think i will go to tattooing and then like
01:08:25
Speaker
I went round a corner just quite going gin and I met like this tank waiting for me. It was either a tank or it was like a huge like acme trap. Let's just see it like crush me and it was just like yeah I'm done with this game. I don't want to play this game anymore.
01:08:41
Speaker
It's like, thank you, no problem. Although sorry, one more honourable mention. The Revenge of the Sith game was fantastic as well. I forgot about that one, that one did actually. That was a good one. That was so good. Because I think they really capitalised on adding extra scenes to make it flow better, and it was just so good. And I loved that there was a two player dual mode as well.
01:09:05
Speaker
Adam, all I'm saying is I've got both that and the Force unleashed. Just waiting. Just waiting. Are you throwing down? Is this what this is? This is me grabbing the mic saying 1v1. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. This is going to happen now. To be fair, we can save it for the Let's Play. Coming up soon.
01:09:31
Speaker
Definitely. Now that you've challenged me, I mean, I would run away from it. If this was a regular, like, real-life fight, I would definitely run away. Oh, no, so would I. This is the video game form. Oh, I will accept your challenge, sir. Yes. Yeah, because I'm probably the kind of person that would challenge someone to fight and then get a knock on my door and be like, who the hell was that? And they'd be like, oh, shit. It's like that Simpsons episode where they're like, would a coward do this? Oh, yeah.
01:10:00
Speaker
Is that the same episode where Homer challenges everyone to a Jew? That's exactly what I was thinking. I challenge you to a Jew. Sorry, again, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I always appreciate it and your sandwichiness. My sandwich will always be here no matter how rotten and it gets you to put me in the fridge afterwards so it tastes like fresh for next week. That's the excuse.
01:10:28
Speaker
So yeah, as always, everyone, thank you so, so much for stopping in. Thank you so much for the raid. Once again, much appreciated. If you want to see more of my content, you can catch me on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and of course Twitch under the name Satsanami42.
01:10:45
Speaker
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01:10:59
Speaker
I made it! If you don't have any access to that either, then have no fear, because we are also on YouTube. Again, under the name Satsunami42, we can catch previous episodes. And yeah, thank you everyone,
Closing Remarks
01:11:12
Speaker
as always. Thank you all so so much for stopping by and listening. Always appreciated, always glad to have you guys here. As always, stay safe, stay awesome, and most importantly, stay hydrated, and have a happy Revenge of the Fifth. Revenge of the Fifth? Ugh, what a tongue twister. You wanna try?
01:11:30
Speaker
No, it's dead dope. I made a fool of myself enough. Oh, bye guys. Bye.