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#12 Mike Pinette - Routines For Growth
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Mike is an extraordinary unique and talented life design specialist and artist. He sees things that, necessarily you and I, would not pick up on. He’s able to put that into word, songs and in art. We dive into his practices and expertise in Holistic Health Coach + Life Design + Sphinx Code Guide + Breathwork + Habits and Routines + Journaling + Hypnosis Therapy + Play.
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Introduction and Guest Background
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Welcome to episode number 12. I am your host Sebastian Engstrom and today my opinion joins us. He is one very kind human being. What really strikes me about him is he sees beyond the veil.
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He is an incredible artist. He is a lifestyle holistic coach. He's a former entrepreneur in the restaurant industry and he is now fully engaged in his passion and is really his gift. He made a very intriguing switch and you'll hear his story and how that came about and how he is serving his medicine to this world.
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I'm thrilled to have you here and welcome again to episode number 12. If you haven't done so so far, subscribe, like, give five stars, good deal of the day, appreciate you doing so, and even give us, shoot us an email, give us some feedback. Love to hear it. Psych performers, we go hard. We never stop. We're constantly on the go.
Guided Relaxation and Visualization
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And that is very taxing on our nervous system and our being. This is to give you some space to let you breathe, come back to yourself and let your nervous system relax.
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Gonna do so, putting one hand on your heart, one on your stomach. And we're gonna do a breathing exercise. We're gonna skip three minutes and three seconds ahead. If you just wanna get to the podcast. You're gonna close your eyes. And you're gonna say, I love you and your name as you breathe in. In three, two, one. In. Out. In.
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Up. In. Up. In. Up. In. Up. And I'll forgive you with your name. In.
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in up in up in up in up
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And now you're going to focus on one person. Any person who comes to mind and this person is going to have the biggest smile on their face.
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You can feel their energy, their joy, their happiness because it's radiating to everything and everyone around them. They are in this amazing space right now because they feel the love. They feel the love that they always long for because they're helping people. They're giving to others and they are just being themselves.
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The pressure's just gone. The past is gone. They're just right here, right, right now, in this moment. And they have everything that they ever long for in this moment. Because they realize the secret to living is giving. They don't need to prove anything. They don't need to do anything to be good enough. They can just be themselves. So can you.
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Because I love you. You love you. So do you. See that. Feel that. Embrace that. And take it all in. Because we're all in one. We're all in one. It's a bit surreal coming into
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Oakland in the right now and even Activating all of our senses right now that we did with the deep breathing Feels I Start feeling things and that's why usually I bring that up in my gratitude or my affirmations every morning that I
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I want to feel my feelings today because that is something that I've gotten away from so many days, so many years, even in my past.
Art and Personal Insights
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The more I try to do, the more I try to force things, the less.
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comes through, and the less I can really do because I get so trapped into following a path that is not my own, just this structured, laid out, step-by-step process. And coming here and you sharing, oh, this is the same architect who built our Hearst Castle, and they're all these beautiful flowers.
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there's this there are colors it kind of reminds me of a blend of you can say Puerto Rico and Oakland mixed together and it's this beautiful like all these stairs coming up you walk into your apartment and there's a lot of charm it's an older building and the there are just beautiful art hanging everywhere and that's what you see here too this is all Mike's art and I have and that's what you see
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And all the other recordings, the two pictures that are hanging besides me are from Mike as well. So he is the master artist and really part of the co-creator of the Safina Code, really from an artistic perspective and the masculine and feminine, all that came through with inspiration from Mike. So when I came in here, I'm like,
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Let me just take a bit and just look at all the beautiful pieces here. And like I told Mike, it takes a lot for me to really be taken back or impressed by art. And I can just I could stand there and just look at his pieces. I mean, so much. Yeah, I appreciate that.
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and and the next piece just to go through the senses and then i smell there's a certain scent and maybe you have um i don't know if there are are there specific oils they use there's something yeah yeah there's a blend going on right now okay i got that that uh it's um so we got legends it's like a mix of anise and lemon and uh
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Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cause there's something that I mean, it's activating for sure. And that is one aspect that I'm stepping into more and more is.
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the senses and really what cannot start doing one with your body but also then you go into your energy bodies or your energy systems or you can say your chakras depending on how deep you go and that's something I would never go into before
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And I've been all into taking these psychology strength assessments. And there's one I took the other day, part of the team that I'm working with, the creative team for creating the platform and a website. And so it's a Gallup strength assessment.
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pretty cut and dry, incredible results. It always gives amazing insights. So anyone who hasn't taken a personal assessment, please do so. I mean, it's incredible. But the thing with this, the interesting thing is, he's like, okay, well now I want you to do this. And this is another part I want you to write down your answers. And then based off of your answers, I'm going to create a soul matrix. And there is certain oils that I'm going to prescribe to you and certain crystals that I'm going to prescribe to you. And part of my old self is like, okay, hold on.
00:08:30
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But that young, that really my soul, I'm like, wow, this is freaking amazing. I just want to dive head in. And I come here now, I'm like, Mike's got it going on, man. Yeah, I'm so connected. It ignites certain things. And I feel like when you were saying, engaging the senses, there's so much that we spend in our mind. There's so much time where we're not really connected to the body.
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you can spend a lot of your life just observing it without feeling it. You're not engaged or yeah, just taking in the world around you just because it's so easy to get in a thought loop or just lost in future forecasting and whatever happened in the drama from the past. So anything that gets me just like in my body and like whether that's breath, whether that's just smelling some, some pretty smells.
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Yeah, it's stacking all those variables. Yeah. And to set the scene, I think even more of where we're at, there's a certain scent to this and it reminds me of my grandmother. My grandmother was a very spiritual woman, a very artistic woman.
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And she was all about, but the flip side to that with a lot of artists, she was completely unstructured. She was like, oh, have a meal? I don't know. It happens sometimes. And my mom would be all about her. It's like, hey, like these are children. They need to eat at a certain time, too. Like, you can't just go on and...
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and just love and enjoy and sit in nature and paint your paintings all the time. Like it's amazing. But that brings me back to very fond memories and the way and the energy that you've cultivated here. And it's very unique. And even if you go like an hour from where I live in the San Jose Campbell area to here in Oakland, incredibly different vibe. And I know you're from this area too. Like how did you end up here in Oakland yourself?
Living and Adapting in Colombia
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Yeah, well, my family moved me out here when I was like 10 years old, so I've been in California. I'm pretty acclimated to the West Coast, but I'm originally from the East Coast. I bounced around, I lived in Santa Cruz, lived in San Francisco for a while, and then kind of eventually moved to Oakland and been part-time living in the Bay for the last like, feels like five years now. So yeah, I like to travel around and Bay Area is home-based, but
00:10:58
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Yeah, all over the place. Mill Valley up in the north, I just, I'm enamored with the coastline, so. Yeah. You said all over the place in the last five years. What has that looked like for you? Man, looks like a lot of places.
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Yeah. There was, there was some like lifestyle things that, that guided me to, um, travel a lot. But the initial thing was me moving down to Bogota, Columbia to open some bars and restaurants and do some consulting for restaurant group down there. I was opening. Well, I was a part of this, that was, that was just the world I was in for about a decade. I was, I was in the restaurant industry and, um, opened a private club and, and, um,
00:11:44
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San Francisco with a buddy of mine. And not that it was mine, but I was working the bar for him. And then that led to Columbia. And then Columbia was about a year for a contract. And I just got the itch to keep moving around. And I pivoted out of that industry. And yeah, it looked like me just aimlessly flying by whatever wind
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caught me, but it was really just like cultivating self awareness, trying to like separate some marbles about who I was and some beliefs about who I was. The old story that was guiding my, my future. So yeah, it was, it was, it was, it looked like probably reckless from the outside. Really? What, what makes you say that? Um, yeah, there was just, there was some, um,
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After Columbia, I came back for a little bit. And I was in a long distance relationship with a woman down in Columbia. Let me just ask you before we start diving into After Columbia, why Columbia? Why Bogota? Yeah, it was hard to say no. It was just this company down there that had a really cool restaurant group that was just like, I had never been to Columbia. I didn't speak any Spanish. I didn't salsa dance. He was foreign. I was just hungry for that. And it was funny.
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Yeah, I was just, I had just gotten out of a relationship while I was in San Francisco and I was kind of just like closing that chapter and just open to what was next. And then just this opportunity came up like a month or two later and I was like, yeah, there's everything just lined up. And what was your experience like there in Columbia? I assume it was not the first time living abroad. Yeah. Yeah. That's my first time out of the country living like
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I've traveled around, but yeah, the first time I'm immersing myself in a foreign place. Okay, so there's a little bit of an ignorance that will come here now, but a little fun to it. So when I came to Missouri, and I went to, that was the first university I attended, was in Missouri.
00:13:59
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And there was a guy who was from Colombia, and just to make fun of him, we called him King of Coke, right? And I think that's what quite a few people know Colombia as, is narcos, is a lot of drugs overall. But you didn't hesitate. And what did- No, okay. Okay. Glad we set that straight, yeah.
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Yeah, no, it does. It does have like a, yeah, it's traumatic history for sure. Yeah. They're still pulling themselves together for sure. Yeah. But I know there's so much more. Yeah. They're, they're just incredibly passionate people. Like for me coming from San Francisco and this culture and they're just the pace of it. Not quite like New York, but San Francisco has a buzz. Um,
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When you're in Columbia, you're just on Columbia time. I had to learn, just pay no attention to meeting times, dates that they have in mind for you to open up. They're just very heart driven. I just remember somebody showing up to a meeting late and they're like, oh, I'm sorry. I met my buddy on the way here. And we had to get to coffee. So I was like, oh, OK. I guess that's cool. So it's a whole different.
00:15:26
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whole different approach and just like, uh, yeah, it was, it was really refreshing for me to step out of the race and just be down there and like be present and like be heart driven. They're just such a, yeah, everything is just out on the table, um, emotionally for you. Like, whereas here, I feel like there's definitely, um,
00:15:49
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Yeah, it's just a it's a different energy in the Bay Area. What came up? Like, do you have any other stories or examples that you feel like, wow, this this stood out to me as a heartfelt moment where it was you saw a difference, felt a difference? Seeing, I mean, going to like a little
00:16:12
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the music club and just feeling completely like the odd one out if you're not dancing and being completely immersed in swimming in the moment. Everybody was just completely, yeah. I'm just so used to just being at a show and people just kind of nodding your head and that's as far as things go here. But yeah, everything was alive there. They really tapped in and tuned into
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to that. I feel like they're just like, they come out of the womb just dancing to like... So yeah, it was good for me to step out of my comfort zone in that sense. And I really got to see like, man, I better start moving, I better start dancing with this because dance was always a...
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I play music and I've been playing drums for since I was like eight years old, but it started out with me just dancing. Like, yeah, as soon as music hit my ears, I was just like, couldn't control it. Yeah, it was, it brought me back to that and reconnected with that part of me that I kept pretty dormant. Yeah.
Balancing Discipline and Creativity
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I want to touch on that, but I tie back to a previous note that you made of
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you're meeting someone and they're like, oh, I met a buddy and they're like, okay, well, you're pretty late now. And that is a concept that it came up even today in a conversation that I had with the team that I'm working on, on the platform and on the website of,
00:17:51
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this manic focus on time and control and perfectionism. And I started adapting a saying progress over perfection, because we're always looking for perfection. When we look for progress, it feels like we can able to dial down slightly. And then one thing is that I'm still thinking of is growth over consistency.
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growth over consistency is one I'm pondering on. Because I find that if you do something consistently, you get results. But then
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You have that saying that, I can't remember who said this, maybe it was Steven Pressfield, it was someone, I show up at nine o'clock in the morning and muse can find me if it wants or not, like I will be there. While I've been trying to dial it back to, I'm not, I'm gonna stop forcing myself to do certain things at certain times and just follow what I feel inside. So I'm still, I'm trying to decipher and find out
00:18:58
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what is it that is truth to me and that is inner guidance versus what is laziness and pure fun and I don't want to deal with the discipline and taking care of things so and that goes into what you were speaking of there I felt like all right I've not implemented enough discipline in my day today this past week and this transferred into for example now like that is one of the things that I struggle with like coming here I ended up being 20 minutes past the time that we decided on
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And that is like, okay, what is the concept behind that? And what is the meaning behind that? And I know part of that is my own inner reality of self-love because I get so trapped up in my own reality that
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Also that if I am late, I lowered expectations. And now I don't feel like I can receive as much love, but it's part self-destructive too. I'm taking this in different angles and hitting it from different angles. But I know part of it is, all right, well, that's also a story I can tell myself. And then I go back into kind of the jock of willing approach, extreme ownership. Well, I can talk about all these reasons
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why something happens, or I can just take ownership of it. Like, Sebastian, are you just going to let this linger and tell these stories and be in your heart, or are you going to do something about it? So that is a journey that I'm on right now, embracing both of them, because I think there's beauty to both, like the Colombian culture, like the heart-centered culture, but also, OK, well, there's part of accountability. There's part of, OK, when you make agreements, how do you show respect and how do you show discipline, not only for yourself, but also for the other person, right?
00:20:48
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And it's also, yeah, I think to piggyback on what you're saying, there is a role and a function to having that side of you that wants things to be orderly and perfect, like that perfection. And yeah, I think there was a quote by Flaubert that I heard recently that just really stuck and it's,
00:21:08
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Be orderly and disciplined in your life so that you can be violently original in your work. Setting that stage for things to like come through and be present and in it and then that flow. And that's all about having that discipline like Pressfield was talking about. It's like show up and also don't take it too personally. I feel like it doesn't show up. The muse isn't there, you know? Yeah. How do you approach your work?
00:21:38
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trying to create more structure and I'm not trying, I'm creating more structure in my chaos. There's a less linear, more of like a spontaneous approach to the art. If I'm really inspired, sometimes I just
00:21:59
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we'll just get lost and not remember all the other things I had to do. It's like, you know, like I want to ride the wave. I don't want to let it pass me by. So you can't really tame that and know when it's coming. Um, but yeah, I've cultivated in, in, in my day as practices and morning that kind of getting primed up and ready and, um, be able to tap into that flow because it's, it's, um,
00:22:25
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It can be cultivated. It is like a skill. Just like attitude is a skill, like whatever you're trying to produce. Yeah. One thing what you're saying there is if I don't do at least one meditation a day, if I don't do, and that is going to, to ink you, he says, meditation is going to the gym of letting go.
00:22:57
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And some might say, well, why do I need to let go? Well, you don't want to carry so much stuff that you can't focus or be clear on what you need to do or want to do or let creativity or muse come through you. Because if you're always holding on to things, it's going to be a hard experience. It's going to make life tougher too.
00:23:18
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And the one of the key pieces to the morning Affirmations that I do and the gratitude and some of the things that I cultivate like even even saying Today, I pushed it. I did too much in the morning. So I try to help out my wife to get some some meal prep done and I didn't do the gratitude before my morning meeting so I didn't set the stage and part of this is
00:23:46
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I do accountability practices and I say certain things. I am, for example, I say it in Swedish, but I'm accountable. I'm reliable. I am at least one minute early and I feel it in my body too.
00:24:02
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But then when I don't say it, I am a very feeling person. And when I shut down my feelings, I become a very miserable person. And that's what I said early on, like it's great to feel, it's great to feel, but it's also when I feel in riding that wave, which is the most beautiful thing that you can do, how do you still dial it back? And how do you still, I think,
00:24:27
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there's always a good need for lists or writing things down and keeping track of things to not to get too scatterbrained but like you're saying how do you reel yourself back and the practice that we did here on the right before like I love myself I forgive myself
00:24:44
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that is something that I have alarms for so I remember to do that because I get so so into yeah ideally I do it hourly it doesn't happen but to really start to remember I because I get so into things I forget to feel my feelings it sounds crazy yeah right
00:25:08
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That's beautiful, man. What are practices that you have in your life? Similar. A lot of breath work. Every morning it's breath. I do have some other subconscious kind of things. I try to rewrite some programming from the past that is through hypnotherapy,
00:25:36
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different things that are just rewriting some of those hardwired things that are from the past. And those things really do shift my mind. It creates a mental picture for what I'm creating, instead of just aimlessly just waiting for it to show up. What's an example of that? Through the hypnosis. So every night I fall asleep to this, it's my own voice. I'm guiding myself through hypnosis, and it's
00:26:06
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deep relaxation of your nervous system so that you can put down your guard. You're like getting out of the conscious mind and stepping into what comes available in the subconscious. So, um, you can have some really valuable insights and things come through that wouldn't come through because you're too locked into what your current state is. Um, we're, we're so driven by our conscious or subconscious, but our conscious mind only takes like 5% of our,
00:26:35
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our daily waking hours. Sure. What have, is there something recent that has come through that you would be open to sharing? I've been doing more writing. Um, yeah. So like taking inventory and putting words to these things that have happened in the last 10 years where I feel like I've made some, some strides and have let go of a lot of things that were, um, you know, limiting me and my growth.
00:27:05
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So, um, yeah, I mean, just like when we were doing the breathing earlier, like my, my, my right eye, not my left eye was like starting to tear up and welt up. I was just like, man, just taking those breaths and like saying, I love you. And I forgive you. Like, like, man, if we heard that more and could do that more often, um, it probably wouldn't have triggered that type of
00:27:34
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emotion in me. So there's so much that we can tap into and have that appreciation and that joie de vivre, that lust for living and that feeling and engaging and everything. Yeah, it can get easy to be lost in the sauce when we're in this attention economics where the media wants to make every problem your problem and
00:28:04
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it we can just be too tightly wound. So anything that just can just like make my shoulders drop, like, allow the present moment to speak instead of have some sort of, you know, future that's
00:28:22
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Completely made up in fictional sure so I'm very intrigued about the recordings that you have I've heard that From psychology books to could even be Tony Robbins to Joe dispense. There are a lot of people speaking of it Never tried it
00:28:42
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because it's kind of that border like I need to put in an effort but it's I guess there's a slight shame in like who am I to speak to myself isn't that kind of strange but I see the value for sure and now that I've doing the affirmations that I do every morning and speaking it out loud and I do my movements and I connect all the different senses so I really feel and feel my feelings and I hear myself say it
00:29:09
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It's so much more powerful than if I just think it that is just one sense activated how How do you feel what what are the biggest changes that you've noticed when now that you know you're doing this for a while yeah, well you get an opportunity to Make new meaning to things that happened and and like
00:29:35
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We all have scenes from the past that are either traumatizing or had some sort of, you know, whether it was something somebody said or somebody did. So having the opportunity and the space to like look at it without feeling it and have, I mean, it's similar with a lot of like plant medicine, a lot of different things that they're diving into now where they can like,
00:30:05
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take these traumas and rewrite them or just reassess them in a new way that can be for you and something that you can be grateful for. Usually it's through the darkest times and the things that hurt the most where I find the most meaning, where it drives my passion and my joy and the way to take pleasure in life.
00:30:33
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Yeah, the hypnosis has really been a process of taking those things and allowing them to be and not have any type of judgment or letting them be there and then let them stay there and then move forward without them kind of thing. So I can only imagine that
00:31:01
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You're very different now compared to what you were like when you were in the restaurant industry and also the club and the bar industry. So my wife was in the industry for quite a few years. And I can relate to the Latin American aspect and your connection to that. I'm a huge salsa lover. I don't dance enough, but I love it. It's my favorite way to connect with dance and movement.
00:31:31
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And so my wife is half Ecuadorian. And yeah, so we get that aspect from her family. One of my best friends growing up was from Chile. So I was very early on immersed in the Latin American culture and what you're saying with the heart, but with the passion.
00:31:52
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and just not holding back emotions and then the playfulness is incredible. So that is a little off topic, but dialing it back to the restaurant industry. There's immense pressure and it's kind of the play hard, well work hard, play hard.
00:32:11
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and you're freaking going all the time. There's a lot of, I mean, from my wife and I know to a degree, I mean, there's a lot of drinking on the job in many places, drugs on the job, after the job, all the time. But in the same time, when you go to restaurants, you meet some, what it seems like, some of the kindest waiters and waitresses. And I'm not saying if you're doing that, that there's anything that makes you a bad person,
00:32:40
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it seems like a lot of them have it together.
Challenges in the Restaurant Industry
00:32:42
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Like how, what was your experience like of the, the plenty of years that you spend in the industry? And there was a reason why you spent so many in the industry. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, alcohol is a powerful, um, conduit for things that you regret. And I think that industry of being surrounded by it and also having that energy exchange with people. So there is like a level of, um,
00:33:10
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Like, you get to hear a lot and see a lot from the people that come in. And when I was working in a private club, it was seeing the same people over and over and serving the same people the same drinks and just seeing like getting to hear what other people's lives were. And yeah, I mean, I had some of the best fun, like it was just a wild ride. And I definitely got what I needed from it. But yeah, it
00:33:38
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comes with a price and I had to be really armored in that way too. Like having that energy exchange and seeing some people that were using that type of medicine to damper any type of thing that was, you know, they didn't want to feel or they weren't ready to feel. You know, it's like, we all have these ways of these mechanisms to, to get through life. And so that part was really,
00:34:08
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got me out of it. So having that armor up, it can be exhausting. Having to not only be a night owl, that's kind of against my nature, but also
00:34:28
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holding space for people in that way. And it seems kind of funny to say it's like holding space at a bar. I hear you. No, sure. That's what it is. Yeah. So part of me really felt limited in that, but I was also just, you know, trying to have fun with it. And it was great, but I just couldn't imagine. Like I made a promise to myself at 30. I was just like, I couldn't continue. It was just going to eat me up. Yeah. And I got to see people that, you know, I got to rip apart because they just,
00:34:58
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couldn't pull out of the way if it was driving him forward. So yeah, that course correction, like you were saying, healthy striving towards something better and having that awareness around what your trajectory is. So yeah, I hope that. Yeah, so yeah. So when my wife speaks of it, it's also
00:35:28
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It becomes a wild ride, but it's also a dance of sorts. Like you create this incredible, almost of a community. Like you make friends too. And I feel like it's in a different way. I was in the restaurant industry for a very short amount of time, but it's a different type of feeling. And it's more of camaraderie, I feel like, than other workplaces that I've had.
00:35:53
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And then there is, it becomes this place where you meet so many people. And that was the most enticing part about it when I was in it. And what you're saying holding space, like you can truly be curious and learn about other people's lives, their situations, what they're going through. You can just listen. And it's a new adventure every single day. And then you can serve them. And it feels amazing to serve one and someone or just help someone out.
00:36:22
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But what what what did you feel like led you there in the first place? How did you get into the industry? Yeah, it was Yeah, I mean you really dial back and go towards like But you know growing up So there was just learning things that like in school like I
00:36:47
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moved across the coast and I was told I had learning disabilities and things that kind of made me really decide to you know when we're young we're taking all our information and learning about ourselves through the eyes of others and I was being told that I had a learning disability like I wasn't good I wasn't gonna progress in certain ways and so I just put my energy towards music and art. I didn't really apply myself until probably like 20
00:37:16
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21 when I was like, just taking some philosophy courses. And I was like, Oh, I actually kind of care about this stuff. Yeah. Um, and so that was, you know, most of my life was just being in music. And, uh, yeah, uh, I was a bit of a, like, Cartman way through that. And, uh, with that, I was just playing, I was playing.
00:37:41
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bunch of bands and playing music and needed a job that could be flexible and let me take nights off like that. And that was bartending. Okay. Yep. But, and then eventually you were saying after Columbia and they were dialing it back and you were going to tell the story that something you had, what, what, what made you decide that you want to leave Columbia and want to happen after that? Yeah, it was, um,
00:38:12
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It was just that feeling that burnout and seeing like I could have easily renewed my contract and opened some other places with them. Um, but I really got to see and evaluate what that would have done to me. I think. And so what was it doing to you? Uh, it was,
00:38:43
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kind of like, like what I was saying, kind of just giving it, um, feeding those vices and like the environment and the lifestyle was starting to wear on me. And I just didn't like the person I was with and I like got to spend all the time I have with them. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. So yeah, I just, I just knew that, um, something,
00:39:08
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something more was out there for me. And it wasn't until I did like a 10 day retreat in the jungle with with some plant medicine or some shaman and just got to really pick apart the way that life was just how it was affecting me more more than I could see. And I also got to see like what my potential and where I could get the like higher reaches of that if I were to
00:39:37
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make better different choices. So what did you start doing? Do you feel like it just happened like that? And then you started, all right, I'm done. I'm moving out of here. I'm starting a new life. Or was it progressive? What was that journey like making that transition? Yeah, it was really hard. Everybody, all my friends were tied into that. So it was really, a lot of the travel was,
00:40:06
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a way to peel away from it and really get to like just dive in and look at what I was like really brought me joy and what got me really excited. Um, whether it was relationships or things like that, I often would put, you know, myself on the back burner or just like that people pleasing quality where it's just like here for
00:40:31
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for others, but not really taking care of myself and what I wanted. And so, a lot of solitude, a lot of the, you know, travel, like being just a novice and just like being, experiencing different cultures and different ways of living. Yeah, it was a lot of self-examination.
00:40:59
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Was that always a part of your life? The self examination or was that something you really started dialing in? Because you mentioned philosophy that you started getting interested in that at 23, 24, or maybe a little earlier. But was that part of your life like through and through? Was that something that started coming with age? No, I think I think I always Yeah, I think I was always like very curious led me to a lot of different things. I always like
00:41:27
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wanted to know how things worked and I wanted to like, whether it was music or something like that, I would like dissect a piece of music and I would just like want to figure out how they did it and watch them play. And like, I was very kinesthetic learner. So yeah, that gave me, yeah, I think a different kind of viewpoint on life.
00:41:57
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I was terrible at a lot of things and figuring out why they didn't connect or why I wasn't able to fit a certain model. It felt like a disadvantage, but now that I see it, it's actually the superpower of mine. I can go in and evaluate and see things that aren't
00:42:26
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always super visible with the music with the art was that still a part of your life in the industry restaurant industry as well yeah yeah yeah i still do like i still have um some studios that i work out of and i get some gigs once in a while but it's i mean right now nobody's really playing live shows and then sure yeah but yeah it's definitely still a love of mine and uh
00:42:55
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I kind of dip in and out of it. It's not as much. Artwork is one of those things I get to kind of be the director and the producer of it. I meet other people and rely on other musicians. It's more like a solo sport. So that's why I do enjoy it and I do love the community.
00:43:21
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Yeah, so there is a friend of mine. He's from Germany. He was on a podcast earlier, Jonas is his name, and he went to the United States. A big reason was because he wanted to continue his passion while he still was studying. His passion is running.
00:43:38
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He is an incredibly fast human being because what happens in Europe overall is when you stop, it's all club sports and you play up until college usually and there are few who continue but a lot of people stop. But he wanted to continue. He was like, well, the way to do that is go here to the United States.
00:44:04
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And he still runs. It's more now if he really wants to be engaged, it's slightly harder on a club level. But it's also what I've experienced myself, the more and deeper I got into corporate life or just a professional career, the more it felt like, well, I don't have time for that.
00:44:23
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I don't have time to enjoy myself with, for example, I speak German too, I'm half German, but I don't dedicate any time towards that. But when I do speak it, when I do read it, or when I do watch something in German, then it starts connecting back to my grandmother I spoke to earlier. She's from Germany and to very fond memories and connections to Germany.
00:44:47
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or when I do play basketball, it barely happens. But when I do, I get into this flow state super easily. But I barely dedicate time towards doing that. And especially when I was at, you can say my most productive, I don't know productive, but when I was the most laser focused on my career, a lot of that stopped.
00:45:11
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and especially as I met my wife, we had a child, all of that went out the door and it made me very cold. It made me very shut off and cold and hearing you maintaining your passions in life is incredible and I think that's
00:45:28
Speaker
That's such a valuable thing for so many to hear. There's one book that I recommend anyone's rethinking success. And this gentleman really goes into diving into different parts of success and how, what is success to you? Like who are you looking to please? What is your audience? But one of the things is also how do you emerge both your professional reality and your personal reality? Like, are you gonna live two different realities or are you gonna merge the two of them?
00:45:58
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And his, his recommendation is we'll try to merge them. Like don't try to be two different people. Like that's not going to be good for you long-term or anyone else. Like the more you merge them and the more you're whole with yourself, the better you're going to feel. And his recommendation was a very small one, but do 10 minutes a day or not a day, a week, only a something, a passion of yours.
00:46:19
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because I know there's so many people who are so lost out there that they they're like oh well that surfboard for example that we're looking at right now like there you have like I had a surfboard my one of my greatest dreams growing up was to one day surf I bought a surfboard almost 10 years ago oh eight years ago in Florida when I was living in Missouri and I was on spring break I used it once
00:46:45
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And then it was sitting, and I traveled several places, and I brought it across the entire United States, and recently, a few months ago, I donated it. And it was a little too short, I couldn't handle it anyway, so I needed a long word, but the principle of it is...
00:47:00
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Part of it is when you get a family, your priorities change, but it's really seeking for me is seeking that freedom, seeking that moment when you lose sight of everything else. You call it the wave, like getting so immersed into something. You lose track of time.
Identity and Personal Growth
00:47:15
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You lose track of space. You're just one with what you're doing and getting into that flow state. And you just strike me as that is something that is a big part of your life right now, but you never really lost it. Yeah. Yeah, man. I, uh,
00:47:31
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I try to cultivate it and it's one of those things that it inspired. It can be just as simple as just seeing a really beautiful sight and just going and witnessing something that gives you a sense of wonder and awe that can trigger a sense of like, yeah, there is no time in that sense, in that space. And you said something really interesting with speaking a different language and it's a part of our brain where we're like,
00:47:59
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accessing a different part where we become something different, like where there's like another character that comes through when I speak Spanish. Yes, for sure. And so I think there's something to be said about the words that we're telling ourselves and the words that we're speaking. We're always painting that reality with whatever, you know, words we're speaking. So how would you describe that character who speaks Spanish? How is that different? Yeah.
00:48:28
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No, I think it took me a while. Just learning Spanish was such a journey for me and learning to let go of sounding like a fool. And I can't roll my R, so it's not conducive for most things in Spanish. And so I think, yeah, I think there's a lot more freedom
00:48:58
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I can relate in that with Spanish, because it doesn't have to be super calculated and correct. And it can just be messy. There's less ego attached to it now, just because I've accepted it. Sure, yeah. I could be writing poetry in Spanish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I hadn't really thought about that before. But when you said that, that definitely can resonate. I'm going to do one quick check. We're going to edit this out.
00:49:46
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00:50:04
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Languages there and what you're talking about stepping into a different reality of Who you are and who you can be and letting go that is really The main one of the main things that I discovered here coming to United States it allowed me to fully let go of my past of everything in Sweden and
00:50:28
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of everything from my identity, to the reality, to the way of being, to my family, to expectations, to who I thought I needed to be, society, everything. And I realized, wait, I can just do whatever I want. Nobody knows who I am. So they can't hold me accountable to be that person. Like, wow, okay, well, let me, let me have some fun here. Let me shape a new reality.
00:50:58
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And it was so freaking liberating. And it was so freeing. And so many times we get stuck in these stories of just living these repeated
00:51:13
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yeah just stories of who we are and who we've always been and we get so stuck in them because we follow these routines we're very routine as human beings and then who do our parents expect us to be who do our friends expect us to be co-workers and so forth and we never really evolved that much because part of it is we're afraid
00:51:33
Speaker
because if we start changing people are now going to start questioning well what are you doing like who are you um like what are you doing things like that and it takes a lot of guts and it takes a lot of just inner knowing and wisdom and self-love i would say self-love mainly to just
00:51:52
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I feel like, yeah, this is me. I'm growing, I'm changing, and that's okay. This happens when I talk to my family now, and it's been 11 years in the United States, I still go back to those certain ways of being that I used to be when I was in Sweden.
00:52:09
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And it's very much more reserved. I don't express myself as much. I don't feel my emotions, I'm not as passionate. I don't really get into things in the same way. And that's one of the things I love about the United States is the, and part of this podcast too, the extreme way of taking things performance wise, but also exploration wise.
00:52:32
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And with the German piece, like you said too, I kind of step into a different identity there as well. And it's interesting, depending on the culture and where you go, you experience so many different aspects of yourself too, but you also start realizing, whoa,
00:52:47
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reality can be so different based off of my way of viewing way, the way of life, but also what TV says and what everyone else around me says and what you're saying with Columbia, time now has a completely different meaning.
00:53:04
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and even going from me I had aha moments going to Thailand and the rural parts of Thailand and being a volunteer there at one point and seeing and being at a school home and all these children didn't have any parents and there were I mean maybe two, three hundred and they all slept in the same room and it was dirty and it was dusty and
00:53:27
Speaker
they all slept in this massive room. And when we came there, we wanted to give them so many different things. And there were some some of the volunteers that the bottom things and the biggest thing that I just realized that they all create for was just love. Like all they wanted was just love. And
00:53:50
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it just hit me in my heart and it just struck me like, shit, like we take all these things for granted. When the biggest thing that we all just need is just love. Like all these, just having parents, just having people around us who care for us. And here, these children are, at least they're not on the streets, they're with each other, but just having someone outside come in and be with them and play with them and hug them, like that means the world to them.
00:54:19
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And it's incredibly humbling and going to even to Peru open up my eyes of, and it's an interesting thing being in Oakland with Black Lives Matter and the big wave that is hitting
Global Awareness and Individual Action
00:54:38
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the United States. And I think it was bound to happen at one point or another and the changes
00:54:44
Speaker
that needs to happen in this country, just worldwide. But then in Latin America, and I can't speak to Latin America overall, I know Peru, and I know this happens in other countries too, I did not realize the racism that still is occurring there. I thought it was very
00:55:02
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Oh, it's very much of a tight-knit community. It's all a lot of unity, passion, togetherness. But I did not realize the indigenous people. They're usually, at least in Peru, in poverty. They're the ones that are looked down upon. It's the
00:55:18
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If you have some inheritance of the European descent, then you're more you're standing above them. And there's significant discrimination. You can even say racism. I had no freaking clue. And they call these favelas, these decent impoverished areas. They have the opposite there. If you live in the inner city, you're rich. If you live in the hills, you're poor.
00:55:43
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Here, well, it's a little bit. Usually if you live in the hills, at least in Los Angeles, you're rich, but here you can also in the city, you're rich too sometimes, but you get my point. But the path I'm going down here is I realized a new
00:56:02
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You can say white privilege to a new degree, and even though Sweden has not taken part of that, it's still part of, you can say, Europe and part of just the privilege that I get by being there.
00:56:17
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And it's sad to a degree because it's so been so indoctrinated in some of these indigenous people that they look down like they don't really look you in the eyes. They don't really they feel you can feel like they have a view of that. They're less than you. I'm like, whoa, like this is.
00:56:37
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is a strange but is really eye-opening to feel like I'm this well-traveled person who've been to this many different countries and all of a sudden I go to Peru or to Thailand and my entire world just gets changed and gets altered and all these things that we talk about with global warming or even with how we need to change our society
00:57:04
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Yeah, start At home first the first and foremost and this is something my wife and I talk about a lot It's just start with yourself Find a love for yourself like if Macklemore has this saying don't don't try to change the world do that what you love and and do that for you rest of your life and maybe one day the world will change and
00:57:29
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And it brought it made me so humble and I haven't thought about it in a long time, but just realizing that there are so many different people in this world. And when it comes to global change or a global climate change, there are some people even know of that word because they're in a position where they're just looking for food on their plate on every single day basis.
00:57:54
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And I think also, yeah, there's there's a way of incorporating the higher powers and we all who are more privileged to make a change or to think outside of ourself. If you look at a massive hierarchy, what can we do for self discovery? Also take into account, OK, well, there are more people the more we are united, the more we get on board and more better we all do as just.
00:58:15
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Just as a world the more we can make a change and it's not always black and white We need to reduce emissions to this and we need to do We need to eat better. We need to change the way our habits. Yeah, but it's first and foremost it changed with ourselves like we need to look at ourselves and
00:58:32
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And we can point the finger all day long. And especially with the, I'm going on a little bit of rant, but the Democrats and Republicans, you do this, you do that. I mean, shit, like let's, let's just see one another as human beings. Like there, there was this episode and then the other day by Aubrey Marcus and it's been coming up more and more is the, um, it's human trafficking and the sex slavery.
00:58:57
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And it just puts freaking perspective to your life. Like there are people who can't control their lives because they're literally slaves and they're forced to have sex and there are children in this position.
00:59:15
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and it's such a horrible reality yet we're we're talking about oh well we need to tweak this or change this law or you're wrong for doing this or you're a trump supporter or you're a biden supporter whatever like that doesn't fucking matter like if we don't solve the basic things like yeah it's great like let's come together and let's have good like standards of living and how to rule or how to how to govern this country but
00:59:39
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Let's take care of things that matter. And what they were prompting to is like, we need to change this by what we demand from the media. But also that starts with, okay, we need to stop being so what you talked about hypnotized. What's incredible, you're hypnotizing yourself, but many times we get hypnotized by others, by society, by media, by billboards, by TV, by music, by everything else around us.
01:00:04
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And tying it full circle doing the traveling is exactly what can really start opening your eyes if you're open to it. Understand am I open to looking at what is life like in a different, different country. We've been dropping into journeys like meditation for you. You're saying like plant medicines has been helpful. There are many different ways if you start exploring what can reality be like.
01:00:29
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I think that starts to open up your eyes and then eventually, hopefully you can give that to someone else. Yeah man, it's the unity. I think that we, um, it's, it's so hard for us to tap into that part of our brain when we're stuck in survival mode. And there is that degree of separateness, you know, it kept us alive. It was the way we're wired because
01:00:54
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Tribal times, if we were unfamiliar to somebody or another tribe, we probably, you know, we weren't granted access to certain things, fruits that weren't familiar, we wouldn't eat because it could kill us, you know? So we're wired to like reject what's unfamiliar. And sometimes that can look like, you know, when we're traveling and being a foreign object to other people, you know? It can take us out of that.
01:01:21
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Yeah and then when we get to blur our edges and really see one another as humans and brothers and sisters we get to create way better living situation for the rest of the world that we all rely on and yeah things like that like child trafficking and the things that like it's like yeah when you look at what people are talking about and what we're really putting our energy into and how
01:01:50
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It's just the petulance of tribalism. It's hard to remember that we're all just like matter and energy with one another. The path you're on right now, and there's more of this now in your life than ever has been before. And I know
01:02:17
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I'm on this journey where I went from having a solid job, solid income, health insurance, and all that, to having none of that.
Transition to Holistic Health Coaching
01:02:26
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It's a path that you've been on now for a while. What has that journey been like for you? And yeah, what will they look like in the future, do you think?
01:02:44
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Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So your, your reality shifting into, you might speak into your reality today and how it has evolved since you left the, the, the, the restaurant industry. Um, and what is your day to day like right now? Cause you're, you're, you're doing something completely different. Yeah. Yeah. It was, uh, you know, reinventing myself. I got really into, uh,
01:03:12
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health and wellness and just discovering practices that can really clean up my, you know, the body I live in. And I started coaching and did some holistic lifestyle coaching and being able to help others was really helpful for me to see, you know, like who I needed to become to be of service in that way. So, yeah.
01:03:40
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It's just a lot of it scratching my own edge and practices that have helped me move through certain things that I'm now able to share with people. And yeah, where that's going is just consistently expanding and finding my edge where I'm not fully expressed. Like leaning into those things that still make me uncomfortable.
01:04:10
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make me want to like distract myself with something else just because it's hard to feel you know like that's where I need to go that's where the that's where the treasure is you know like the places that we don't want to go sure yeah um but yeah it's a good question where that'll lead me but I think um it's the journey we're all on and um being able to
01:04:36
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to share with people and to be able to talk and have these kind of conversations is where we get to make those little course corrections like you were talking about. Sure. What are you leaning into right now? There's a few things.
01:05:04
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Yeah. Leaning into, um, leaning into, yeah, looking at what I'm, if I look at my receipts at how I'm spending my day, like what, like what did I accomplish in a day and things like that? Um, I'm leaning into getting out of that, like mechanical doing this and, um,
01:05:33
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trying to be in the being a little bit more like there's so much that I like I can get wrapped up in courses and try to like get certified with everything like it's merit badge and I'm trying to fill this whole like this this like trying to prepare myself to have the answers to everything yeah yeah without really taking the time to really apply it and
01:06:01
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Yeah, like integrate it. So I think it's it's really been a process of peeling back and doing less and bring more presence to what I'm doing. If I like been in this writing practice where I like sit and like every day it's a three hour block.
01:06:26
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or I'll do 90 minutes with a little bit of stretching and movement, just to show up, press field, to lean into the resistance and the things that are scary, whether it's a conversation I need to have with somebody, showing up in my truth, a lot of times,
01:06:50
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Um, in the past it would be just me like sugarcoating things or just trying to avoid or like lying by omission, just like sharing how I was feeling. Sure. So yeah, those are the places that, that I'm still, I'm still exploring. And, um, you said three hours a day. You're right. Yeah. About 90 minutes. A three. Yeah. 90. Sorry. I made that into three hours. So yeah, it's like 90 minutes and then I got to move around while I'm doing it. So like a 20 minute break.
01:07:21
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And that is just reflective in an outlet that it's not, you're not writing with a mission like this will one day be an article or published into a greater book of work. Or is that part of it too? No, there's no, there's no destination. Yeah. Okay. It's more just like, like having conversations about things that don't normally get expressed. Like you get to kind of, it's like a way to process information that doesn't normally get out. Sure.
01:07:51
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Yeah, I think I can the squirrel running around in my head. Yeah. Yeah. A little place like so I don't have to think about it anymore. So there are many, many different can say tools they have in your tool belt, and many things that have helped you along your path, and that you help clients with and that you teach, what what are been the most significant
01:08:18
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To you and if you were to give any tips like what what would you highlight? Yeah, man, there's so many I think Anything Mindfulness meditation Anything that can turn the hum of like anxiety hmm down in
Mindfulness, Meditation, and Nature
01:08:43
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the mind and get us present There's just so much
01:08:47
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so much wisdom that could come from letting the body speak and letting ourselves go there. Yeah, it sounds super simple, but it's really not. So stop and sit with yourself and be away from any expectation or any anticipation, just letting go and surrendering into the moment can be really, really challenging.
01:09:17
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Yeah, that's been the most, most productive for me. What, what is a good way of starting that? I like, uh, I mean, there's so many apps and things like that now, which I haven't really gotten too into, but, um, breath work, um, 20 conscious breaths, um, just resetting your nervous system, like noticing where your awareness comes.
01:09:45
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Like when you beer off and, and it's just that like nudge to go back into it, which is like what we're all striving for. It's just like being aware when we get off track. Sure. Um, so yeah, just taking inventory on breath. Yeah. Yeah. What, um, are there any other practices that come to mind? Um, play play. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Get out there.
01:10:14
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be in the sun, be in the elements, be in nature, connect with the thing that's bigger than you. I think that's like always a sense of inspiration and we get to, yeah, I mean, there's so many ways that we've written ourself out of nature. And yeah, it's,
01:10:38
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I think it's one of my favorite ways to reground and be in myself. Sure. That is one of the ways that I miss to get around is by bike. I do it every now and then, not too often. Yeah. But it makes such an immense difference. And it's part a little bit of a play aspect to it. But getting outside in the elements, I had a teacher
01:11:04
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early on, so this was in high school in Sweden, he was very much all about being local, buying local, sustaining, being regenerative with anything that you do.
01:11:22
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wear a Mickey Mouse t-shirt that was pink with really worn jeans every single day. That was his outfit and he would wash it and he made a very clear point of you need to be close to where you work so you can get there however you want and there will be less emissions.
01:11:48
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You should not be buying new clothes and nothing new if you can. There's plenty of enough that we can buy used, so just do that. It doesn't matter as much of what you look like. It's more about this holistic community.
01:12:05
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And why I'm bringing him up is he was very much on extreme, but this was maybe 15 years ago. And he was, I mean, that's pretty early with coming up with all those being in that direction back then. Now it's more prevalent. But what I'm saying with that is when you start getting outside and getting on your bike or when you start connecting to play,
01:12:31
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Like, for example, on Wednesday, I was running and doing sprints on the grass and, or playing, and I still don't do this too often, like basketball, or I was playing with my brother-in-law, Sebastian, who have you met, just football, he's throwing the football around and taking off my shoes and running in the grass. When you start doing that, then if you become, if you really think about it,
01:12:55
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This is this really, really enjoy it, like really enjoy and especially being in nature doing things like that. Because the more you do it and more time you start spending outside, the more you realize like, what are we really doing to this earth?
01:13:13
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Like how are we, what am I really doing with my, if you really take it a step further, when I drive so far? What kind of car am I driving? What am I actually buying? How much of it is it that I'm buying? And I try to steer away from that so many times before in my past.
01:13:30
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And because it was uncomfortable, I want to be like everyone else. Oh, well, I like buying things. I like, oh, this, I want that muscle car. I like, I want to have that. I want to beat up macho, man. And yeah, but it's, it's this consumerism. And then the funny thing is that didn't bring me any joy. Well, it brought me temporarily joy. It was nice every now and then, but really like when I have the most fun and when I'm in my being the most is when you're saying when I'm playing.
01:13:59
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And yeah, that's incredible. And that's something that is not what you're seeing as like the productivity hack, like, oh, like hack your days, these are tamed ways. Play is the one that I probably struggle with the most. So I'm glad you brought that up. It seems counterproductive, but yeah, I think it's, it's, it's a nice pause. Yeah. On everything. And like you get to
01:14:27
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Being that childlike wonder and imagine things and I thrive on it. If I don't get surfing or if I'm not on my bike enough or if I'm not out in the wilderness.
01:14:43
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I get just like, I can feel it on my body, like the pressure. So that's like a release valve for me. Yeah. And that is, I became a better, even incorporate better professional when I was doing this, when I was out in nature.
01:15:02
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in nature especially because it was such a reset and you connect to something higher you connect to energies and I will always tell my friend my work buddy like nature is my church like that's when I go to connect and because it changes my state it changed my state completely
01:15:20
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And I've, especially living in a city area right now, the more time, if I spend several weeks there, and if I don't go, even if I go outside, it makes a bit of a difference. Or if I go to park, yeah. But when I really go into nature,
01:15:37
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What now seems so pressing and so daunting and so difficult and I felt such stress now goes out the window. I'm like, life is beautiful. I'm here. I'm alive. Like this is fun. Like I enjoy myself and everything else, it'll take care of itself and come back. Let's say the next day or after that, that event or after in nature, everything is so much more at peace. And usually you see things so much, much clearer.
01:16:07
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It's a beautiful thing So Is there anything else on that note? That you think is like wow I I don't want to I don't want to leave them off with at least saying this What do you feel like that those are the most important things? Yeah, I think
01:16:39
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Yeah, find the things that make you lose track of time and bring you joy.
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01:16:43
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And like you were saying, just like a little more kindness in the world, a little more like acceptance of ourself and less judgment and harsh criticism towards ourself will help.
01:16:59
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us be better people to the world around us. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's it man. Love yourself. That's a beautiful way of I think wrapping this up. Mike, it's been incredible. Thank you for setting the stage and
01:17:19
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Yeah, welcoming me into your home and yeah, just how you're showing up in this world while you're sharing and yeah, your freaking art. Go to freaking checkout Mike's art, See by Land. Is there anywhere else people, if they want to see who you are, what you do, is there anywhere else they can find you?
01:17:39
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Yeah, social media, Instagram is usually where I post, get to know me a little better, see my land, or live well, L-I-V-W, or the two kind of outlets for me. Okay. Yeah, man. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you, Mike.
01:18:11
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Mike made me reconnect with play, with my artistic self, my soul and the creative part.
01:18:23
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which is so easy to forget about and let go of when we just go about being productive in our day to day. So I am immensely grateful for Mike and what he does in this world, how he shows up and that I've been able to share some of these beautiful things with him. If you're watching this video, you can see the two pieces of art on my wall there for Mike. So check out his art. Breaking phenomenal.
01:18:54
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It's amazing. Maybe check out his Swinks code. I got a reading here two weeks ago. My wife Sophia did as well. I mean, the stuff that he was able to pull, the cards he was able to pull. I'm doubtful of Tarot cards. I'm doubtful of systems like that. But he... He did not know. There's no way he could have known some of these things.
01:19:19
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And he gave perspective. He was empowering, he was insightful. And I can't recommend it enough. So check Mike out. See by Lin, his company. And yeah, even his coaching. All the links in his show notes. I'm sending you, your family, all your love wellness. A tremendous amount of love. And I'm wishing you a blessed day.