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Introduction to 'Predetermined' Podcast
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me as always, Chris Miggs and Jimmy Fax. That's right. Off to a hot start.
Comparing Wrestling Eras
00:00:53
Speaker
This is not the Triple H era of Monday Night Raw. That's for sure.
00:00:59
Speaker
This is the NXT 2.0 with the weird colorful logo of predetermined. It just happened. I'm sorry. I'm just distracted because, you know, I can see myself in the video and I can see in the background the Persian cat doing backflips. And as much as I try, as much as I told Teddy Hart that I thought it was going to be distracting, he did not believe me. And so here I am. But
Teddy Hart Documentary Discussion
00:01:28
Speaker
I am so disappointed in myself that I didn't watch the Teddy Hart thing before this episode. I'm disappointed in you too, Gary.
00:01:38
Speaker
And the Teddy Hart thing, right? It's episode, but they released all the, all the episodes are out. Cause I haven't started watching it yet. There's only three of them. It's really, it's just one long documentary really. And honestly, like it could be, I don't know, a solid 30% shorter without like teases and things where they're like, this is going to be important down the line, but they'd have to tell you a bunch of things. Um,
Garrett's MLW Show Experience
00:02:05
Speaker
I watched a little terrified because facts and I went to an MLW show.
00:02:12
Speaker
God, almost four years ago now. And that was the night Teddy and Davey Boy Smith Jr., the New Heart Foundation at the time, they debuted the Doomsday Canadian Destroyer, which is legitimately one of the most incredible things still that I've ever seen. It's just like a singular wrestling move. And Fax left a little early, as he's wanted to do with MLW shows. And I hung out because the show was really close to where I live. And I was like, I can hang out here another 20 minutes or so.
00:02:41
Speaker
And Teddy Hart came to the bar that was behind our seats with a cat. And I was just like, I got to go tell this guy that was amazing. And I took a picture of him with him. And I'm just kind of glad I don't have a picture with a murderer.
Teddy Hart's Controversial Reputation
00:02:59
Speaker
I mean, he does a lot of other terrible things in this documentary that I will not spoil. You won't come out of this documentary with a high opinion of Teddy Hart.
00:03:09
Speaker
But I do feel like you'll come at this with the doc, opinion that he's not actually a murderer. If facts had stayed 20, 30 minutes or whatever, he, you know, he ends up at the bar. He says, Teddy Hart, you owe me underpants. And the next thing we know facts was missing for three or four days.
00:03:27
Speaker
it's it's entirely possible but I think I would have been kinder because shortly before then right because we were going to a decent amount of MLW shows so I was already well aware that Teddy Hart being a cat guy was a total shoot because while I did not experience the cat at the bar the way Chris did certainly at MLW shows it was very common Teddy would would would work usually early in the show and then he'd be at the bar at the Melrose Ballroom or wherever it was
00:03:57
Speaker
putting back a few drinks with the cat off camera. So I think I wouldn't have talked about underpants. I probably would have been like belly rubs or no belly rubs. Where's the cat on that stance? I would have been like, so you have a pocket full of cat tranquilizers right now, don't you? God, I sat next to that cat.
00:04:24
Speaker
at a show and like, I had no knowledge of Teddy Hart at this point in my life. I was just like, who the fuck is this lady with this cat? Cause he was on the show and I found out later in the nights when I was like, that's his cat. Like, why the fuck is it here? And that is a question that has still never been answered to me all those years later.
00:04:47
Speaker
He likes his cats, that's the answer. Yeah, he legitimately treats them like human family members, in a way, even beyond most people that we think of as good to their animals are, and it might not be good for them, quite frankly, but it's what he does. I am just now thinking through, how have we never had an incident with the cat admittance? Throwing down, fur flying,
00:05:16
Speaker
hissing at each other. What's Mittens trying to do to the cat? I don't know, but I can't see, I could see him being allergic maybe, or just the cat just doesn't like the look of it, doesn't like the cut of his jib. And even though this is a very tranquilized, trained cat, just that is a bridge too far. I imagine the cat just like being on the turnbuckle and seeing Mittens and doing like a shooting star press dive onto Mittens.
00:05:48
Speaker
Yeah, it seems like we are, you know, maybe a year or two away from that being a match at Joey Janela spring break. At least maybe Teddy Hart's cat and mittens are both part of the cluster. Teddy Hart's cat versus Ernest Miller. Versus I can't remember her name, but the one that took her top off and used to date Jerry Lawler. Miss Kitty. I know, but I couldn't remember what her real name was. Something.
00:06:16
Speaker
Special guest referee, Halle Berry. Yeah, I look forward to seeing that Teddy Hart thing because I think I told you guys right before we started recording, I am a Peacock subscriber again. So I can watch that.
WWE Streaming Frustrations
00:06:31
Speaker
Made one of those Black Friday deals. It's 99 cents a month.
00:06:37
Speaker
They, by the way, they, I gotta rant about the peacock people here. So I had subscribed in the past to a given email address. I'm still, I guess, on their promotional email list. They email me at that email address, 99 cents a month. But then they're like, no, no, no, but you have to create a new account. Like, but you emailed me at the email address of my old account.
00:07:03
Speaker
which I don't get. So then I create another account, literally, I change just the email address, I even keep the password the same. Same credit card, they don't give a fuck. I'm in now, I got 12 bucks for a year's worth of peacock. And here's what I realized about myself, gentlemen.
00:07:23
Speaker
is this was Sunday morning before football had started is when I made this transaction and I go, Hey, I don't know. I got some texts from, from Derek and a couple others survivor series was fun. Maybe I'll throw that on. But what, what I went through this, I said, well, what else is on peacock?
00:07:42
Speaker
I saw the Teddy Hart thing, added that to the list. I was like, ooh, Yellowstone, people talk. And I realized, even though... Well, we can all agree, Peacock is the worst streaming service, right? I mean, that's not even up for debate. No, that's debate. There's a debate with Paramount Plus? Yeah, probably. Paramount Plus is not great, unless you really need Paw Patrol. I would say Star Trek is more vital to some than anything on Peacock.
00:08:11
Speaker
But Peacock has, it's the only place you can get The Office, and they have the extended cut episodes of The Office, plus you get the Universal movies while they're still in theaters. Okay, I don't know what Universal movies I'd want to watch, and then, like, doesn't Comedy Central still run about nine hours of The Office per day?
00:08:34
Speaker
Yeah, but I got to watch it with commercials on network television. In fact, there's commercials on Peacock. This is the only place where you can watch Girls Five Ever. I mean, that really is. Buton Burelli's Baths. Who could have bought? All right. OK, so all I'll take it back. Obviously, it's no fight plus.
00:09:02
Speaker
It's it's not quite a bit of what I think of some other things. But even with peacock, which was a service that again, never really wasn't a money thing. It was just like, I just didn't want another service because it's just one more decision of like, what do I want to watch? And now
Critique of WWE Event Lengths
00:09:16
Speaker
it's like, oh, there's six fucking things. Now there's seven. And but whatever, 99 cents a month.
00:09:21
Speaker
but I very quickly put together a list of like, oh, like that new Jurassic Park. I haven't seen that. Oh, they have nope. I think I'd rather watch that on Blu-ray and get the special features, but that's good to know. And the yada, yada, yada is even though I had, I woke up that day with absolutely no interest in being a peacock subscriber. I then subscribed and I realized when I had my list of things in my little queue,
00:09:46
Speaker
I'm never watching a Survivor Series. There's just, I really wanna see what Yellowstone's about before I can give any time to WWE. The pro-WWE sentiment still isn't quite enough to make me be like, you know what would be worth four hours of my life? Watching a Survivor Series in 2022.
00:10:11
Speaker
I mean, I'm with the, I only watched the main event. Um, and that's because my wife went to bed and I wasn't sleepy yet. And I was like, huh, you know, we just finished watching accepted. Um, cause we're, you know, up on the hip news stuff. And, um, I was just like, I'm going to turn on survivor series and the main event was had like just started. And I was like, all right. And, um, I don't know, it was fine. I thought the storytelling was good. The actual match itself is nothing special. Like.
00:10:41
Speaker
It was fine. I don't know. I'll show up again at the Royal Rumble.
00:10:48
Speaker
I don't know like I might have to bow out again like I think something about Logan Paul being on a show is the thing that's gonna pull me in but I watched the women's match and I'll be completely honest it took me four views I had to watch it in four settings not because my kid was screaming
WWE's Polished Presentation
00:11:08
Speaker
because I kept losing interest. How long was it?
00:11:13
Speaker
I mean, it felt like four days. It's shot so well, everything's so bright and colorful, but a war games match has never felt more Disney and safe.
00:11:28
Speaker
Yeah. And you know what had both good storytelling and doesn't feel Disney is safe is the movie Barbarian. And that's what I watch for the NFL instead. And I think that was the right choice on HBO Max, by the way, a much better streaming service with much better content. But I think for me, and maybe it's also the thing of having fight TV plus in our lives now is like,
00:11:57
Speaker
Let's just say I want to watch some wrestling and I've already gone through my favorite stuff. I've already watched some AEW. I've already run the DVR Dry on New Japan. Those are my first go-tos. My next choices are going to be, let me look at Fight TV Plus, and even quite frankly, YouTube. Appalachian's got at least one or two videos a week up there.
00:12:19
Speaker
Right, they're not getting the amount of clicks they should but like, I don't know exactly what itch I would want to scratch. That would be WWE right now I'm with you, I'll probably check out the rumble, because that's kind of like a fun drink along. And maybe it'll be funner if I know less.
00:12:36
Speaker
and then like maybe I'll check in on mania but I think I'm pretty like I've told you guys that one of the reasons I didn't subscribe to peacock is that I was worried that they were going to tag me as a WWE fan and like attribute my subscription to them but I am pretty sure my viewing behaviors will make it really clear I like me some teddy heart documentaries
00:13:00
Speaker
catch up on Yellowstone, maybe some dinosaur movies. They had one, by the way, Lava-landula, which is about lava tarantulas.
00:13:10
Speaker
That looks good because they have the entire sci-fi movie, sci-fi channel originals are all in there. All those like asylum produced movies. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I will say I have a recommendation on how to watch The Royal Rumble. Maybe we can all work on this together. So last year I wasn't going to watch The Rumble. And then that was during sort of the Omicron search. And our buddy Tom and I had gone to a whiskey tasting
00:13:36
Speaker
a few months before that. And as part of our packages, they sent us like a further tasting thing. They sent us like a sampler, like 10 samplers. So Tom and I were like, and our arrives like, hey, let's be can't go out right now. Let's hang out and do this whiskey tasting together. And we'll talk and we'll talk about this whiskey and whatnot. And when we sat down to do that, I put survivors to the rumble on mute while we did that.
00:14:04
Speaker
And, uh, let me tell you that is, I mean, it's without commentary and with an incredible amount of booze and friendship. Um, that's really the only way to get through, um, a Royal Rumble at this point. I'm pretty sure I fell asleep during the Brock match or the edge match. I don't, I fell asleep at some point. Um,
00:14:25
Speaker
It didn't seem that good. But that got me through several hours of it. So I think that's,
Enhancing WWE Experience with Whiskey
00:14:30
Speaker
maybe we do that this year, guys. We just, we get a lot of whiskey and we just, we watched the Royal Rumble together on mute so we don't have to listen to Michael Cole. I know people keep saying Michael Cole's better and he's better without the Vince production, but still Michael Cole. You know? I did hear him say something that really surprised me. I did, I watched the first two matches. I watched the women's- Michael Cole?
00:14:53
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. I watched the women's survivor series. And then after that was AJ and Finn Balor. And I turned it off before it ended. So I don't know who won that match, but you never will. And I never will.
00:15:07
Speaker
Honestly, it comes down to me. I also don't want to watch Marvel movies. And this is like the Marvel movie version of Pro Wrestling. It's just so clean and I don't know. There's something about it that's just like, Disney is going to own this in the next 10 years. This will be included in my Disney Plus subscription and hopefully have a better streaming quality.
00:15:32
Speaker
As far as streaming quality facts, yes, Peacock is the goddamn worst app I've used. But Michael Cole, when AJ was coming out, said something about, he talked about how many times they'd had the IWGP championship and talked about both of, like, by name said Bullet Club.
00:15:52
Speaker
And to me, that was a big change. Like he talked so long about Japan as he was getting to the ring that I was like, oh shit, things have changed a little bit. Like other wrestling exists now within the WWE universe.
00:16:07
Speaker
Which, I mean, it did back in the day, right? They'd bring in Carlos. I mean, normally they wouldn't call it by name. They would be like, he's a Caribbean champion or he's an Asian champion or something like that. Something would probably be racist now is the way they would describe it. Orientals. But I do. Don't you find it weird, though, when they're saying, but they won't say his name or his name. It's Finn Balor.
00:16:34
Speaker
won an IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. Not Prince Devitt. I could see where that is. Like, I don't want to defend WWE here, but I could see where, like, you're throwing around other names. I don't know. Well, I get you're throwing around other names, but it's like, if you're going to do it, do it, right? You got to stop having people switch their names and crap like that.
00:16:57
Speaker
But maybe, again, Hunter, you had to do it little by little. I did want to tag on to one thing that you mentioned is, you mentioned Marvel movies. And one of the big critiques of Marvel movies, particularly of the last three or four years, I don't know if it was necessarily true the first batch, but definitely the most modern ones, is they're so freaking long.
00:17:19
Speaker
right when a marvel movie comes out you can set your watch to it's going to be at least two hours and 40 minutes it seems like i remember the new doctor strange came out people were celebrating it was only like two hours and one minute like it being so concise yet even this the the last avengers thanos fighty one end game avengers end game
00:17:44
Speaker
is shorter than most wrestling shows. And that's what I'm talking about is like, I could watch Survivor Series or I could get in my car, drive to the movie theater, buy a ticket to the new Black Panther, pick up some popcorn, watch the whole movie, wait till the end of the credits to see if there's an extra special end of the credit scene.
00:18:12
Speaker
leave I ate a bucket of popcorn probably take a real buttery shit right really really let that one plop light a little match beyond my way home maybe my wife gets a message she's feeling chicken wings I want to really jump on that she's saying chicken wings I want to I want to channel that so I stop at the grocery store pick up some chicken
00:18:35
Speaker
drive the rest of the way home maybe stop to take another shit i don't know and i still get home and it's like midway through roman's entrance if i had hit play at the beginning of survivor series before i left
00:18:50
Speaker
So that's what I'm just saying is like, I could watch three and a half episodes of Severance. It's just, I could play through the first act of God of War. It's like, for my entertainment dollar, I just can't do it. Literally your one entertainment dollar that you pay a month to be cock. Well, but then you think about how much money I spend on things that I never watch. And I never, right?
00:19:19
Speaker
It's dollars not bad books. I'll never read. Yeah. What was that? I said dollars not bad for that. I mean, well, this is the thing, right? So the men's war traditional war games match, right? Five minute, first period, two minute, further up periods. Sorry. Wait, clarifying question. So is, is survivor series just war games now? There's no elimination match. No, just war games. Okay.
00:19:48
Speaker
Triple H loves Jim Crockett, I mean, and frankly, I'm fine with that. Well, I'm just saying they have so many other pay-per-views that don't, whatever. I was gonna argue for there being more gimmick match pay-per-views and then I realized it's always, and then just jamming things together to make it fit, which is inevitably gonna happen here anyway, so fuck it. You can't win with any of this shit. No, it's the traditional periods, right? Five minutes, two minute follow-ups.
00:20:15
Speaker
They extended the periods afterwards to the- Well, I'm sorry, so there's a women's war games- Women's war games and a men's war games. Was there any additional war games matches? No. Okay. Two war games matches. I will probably have more questions. A US title match, a match involving, that was agented by a Holocaust denier for a Sandy Hook truther and the A.J., the aforementioned A
Controversies in Wrestling
00:20:41
Speaker
.J. Finn Balor match. Wait, what?
00:20:46
Speaker
Brian, I feel like you went with a little, choose your narrative, control your narrative there for a minute. So Brian, apparently Rhonda asked for Brian Kendrick to agent her match and they brought him in for that. And he believes all the things or doesn't believe the things. Well, I don't know how he feels about Sandy Hook. He's, he's a Holocaust denier, at least a Holocaust questioner. And Rhonda,
00:21:12
Speaker
Ron is the one who's a Sandy Hook truther. It's hard to keep it straight at this point. Thanks. It was a tweet from David Bix that really clarified it for me, which was really helpful.
00:21:24
Speaker
Wait, does Brian, cause why would Triple H say yes to this? Like does Brian Kendrick have some history of like being an engineer for women's matches that I'm not aware of? I think he was. I think he trained even Marie. He trained even Marie, but I think he was involved with some of the women's matches. Otherwise, generally, I think he must have had some kind of relationship with, with Rousey. Maybe they did some of that. Okay. I don't know.
00:21:47
Speaker
Wrestling's weird right now, guys. Don't make any of these people your heroes. That's what I tell to my daughter every day. I'm like, you can enjoy this, but don't make them your heroes. Actually, fuck what? God damn it. Oh, Alex Jones is the one booking all of the Flip Gordon matches and control your narrative from now on. They love working on this. He leads cash, right? Yeah.
00:22:11
Speaker
Yeah, someone's got to agent those things. But what I was saying was, again, the the Survivor Series. So the main of the men's main event, right? It's bloodline with with Sammy Zane.
00:22:24
Speaker
against the Brawling Brutes, McIntyre, and Kevin Owens. And the whole story, it's a very simple story. It's not five guys. It's five on five, right? It's can they trust, can the Usos and Reigns and the other guy, Sakoa, trust Sami Zayn, especially when they're in a match with Kevin Owens, who's his best friend, right?
00:22:48
Speaker
They extend, it's a five minute war games to start. That's traditional. It's three minute periods for some reason.
00:22:56
Speaker
fucking nothing is happening for extended stretches. In a match that literally has one question to it at the end, there was no reason for this to be 40 minutes long. All we needed to do was get all the guys in the ring so that Sami Zayn could either be on the side of the Usos or be on Kevin Owens' side. That was the whole thing. And it was good storytelling. I liked it. They finally made up with the Uso that hates him, I guess. I don't know.
00:23:21
Speaker
And I was like, oh, that was well done. But again, to your play facts, why did it need to be 40 minutes long? Frankly, 40 might be light. It might have been 45.
00:23:31
Speaker
Well, I think particularly in this day and age, like if you look at like Netflix and what they've done with like, who gives a shit how long things are, like the last season of Stranger Things, they went totally off the rails.
Content Length Trends in Wrestling
00:23:41
Speaker
They're like, fuck it. The last episode is three hours long. Like literally it is two hours and 42 minutes long. One episode of Stranger Things. There are also episodes in the earlier seasons that are like 40 minutes long. So like in this day and age that really these are network events, really nobody's buying a traditional paper.
00:23:59
Speaker
Who gives a shit about the length? Just mix it up. It's two hours now. I get that you got some fans in the building. Nothing matters. Just do what you want. Vibe it. Yeah. Do what you feel.
00:24:14
Speaker
show barbarian on the screen in the Jumbotron, I guarantee you, when they're like, oh, is Justin Long's dickhead character gonna get murdered? That'll get some heat. You don't need Sami Zayn. You got Justin Long playing a creepy, creepy, rapey guy.
00:24:33
Speaker
I can't let you spoil anything from Barbarian. That's not fair. All I'm spoiling is that Justin Long's in it. That's the only thing I'm spoiling. It's funny fact that we both watched Justin Long movies this weekend. What a weekend. Very different. Very different movies. I've seen the one that you're talking about. I don't know if you've seen Barbarian. I have not. I also I really like that one with Drew Barrymore in him and like Jason Sudeikis and Charlie Day. Go in the distance. Go in the distance. Yeah.
00:24:57
Speaker
Um, the reason I saw that the main character's name is Garrett. And there are very, very few of those movies. Did you feel, did you feel represented well in that movie? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I could be, there's worse people to play my name than Justin Long. Yeah. And that character seems roughly representative of your interests and opinions, Garrett. I mean, wait, sorry.
00:25:24
Speaker
To go back for a second, did Sammy Zane betray the bloodline? No, he kicked Owens in the dick. He's with Roman. Well, for now.
00:25:40
Speaker
take it to mania i think romans could take a sammy zane punch though no problem it's a very muscular man i i i'm not going to talk any shit about roman reines he's delightful but the product of the whole like again roman's not enough to get me to watch three and a half hours or whatever no sweet lord no jake spallens or logan paul whichever paul's on there logan paul's there garris
00:26:03
Speaker
And again, and every time I think like, maybe I will watch you here, like, Oh, and then what about the next Saudi showing you? I just like, Oh, fuck, I forgot about that. Like, that's the thing with WWE, even in the Triple H era, you're like, every once in a while, you're just like, Oh, shit, I forgot about that. But I really do hope Disney just buys them because I'm shareholder. And Disney will clean that shit up and not care about Crown Prince money. And it'll just be about the streaming and maybe it'll be better. I don't know.
00:26:29
Speaker
Hey, but speaking of wrestling being a really weird place, are we gonna talk about the elite getting booed in Chicago on Wednesday?
The Elite Booed in Chicago
00:26:37
Speaker
We could. That was a very good dynamite that Derek went to. I mean, we were predicting it, but it was a pretty fun show. That was really fun. And while I was expecting a little bit of something for the elite, the kind of full-throated CM Punk chants are kind of like, did they not get it?
00:26:59
Speaker
You know, it's not like San Francisco Giants fans still rooting for Barry Bonds. It would be like if Barry Bonds had been caught cheating, so they ended the team and the team didn't exist anymore. And then instead they'd go to Oakland A's games and chant for Barry Bonds.
00:27:23
Speaker
I did like, I frankly, people are like, it was very childish that Kenny Omega use the GTS. I don't, if you, if anyone making that argument, I don't want to be their friend. That shit was hilarious and it either leads to a match and that's amazing. Or it's just an amazing troll move. That's particularly, he saw, he then went on Twitter and thanked Kenta bullet club for life.
00:27:49
Speaker
That is pretty amazing. I do wonder, did either of you guys see BTE this week? I have not seen it yet. By the way, I remember thinking, hey, when the bucks do come back, BTE is going to be great. We're now two weeks into the new era and it's the same old shit and I'm done.
00:28:11
Speaker
But there was one, because it's none of the things. It is not the original elite guys. It is not giving you a real inside back look behind what they're doing, nor is it helping the storytelling. But the one little thing you get is it did have the guys having breakfast the day of the show, and they're talking about how they were expecting to be booed, right? And they were expecting to get a negative reaction from the Chicago, a hostile reaction.
00:28:38
Speaker
from Chicago crowd so I do wonder how much of that stuff with the biting and the go to sleep and stuff like do you think that that was all planned or do you think it was like well if we get really booed we do it but if we don't maybe we keep that in our pocket I think planned I think they assumed I think we're definitely planned but I'm saying do you think they were definitely doing it no matter what
00:29:01
Speaker
I mean, like, was it like a plan B card where it's like, okay, pull the rip cord, let's piss these people off. Let's really egg them on. Right. And I mean, before the match started, they were already on that plan clearly, right? Like Matt, you see Matt like putting his ear to the crowd as they're saying, you know, fuck the elite. How long does this go? Like, I mean, we're pretty sure CM Punk is actually done, right? It seems like that's the most likely answer at this point.
00:29:30
Speaker
Well, I'd like to posit something as a Long Islander and somebody who clearly now is on the right side of history about fuck CM Punk and MJF's amazing, right? Long Island, we were the first ones there. I think just the city of Chicago is just turned heel, right? Like we had the idea of like the heel town before and then being able every town was a heel town. But like now I think like we're going to an old like, you know,
00:30:00
Speaker
AWA era heel town. That's what Chicago is gonna be. And then everywhere else, I think that that might be one of the things everybody kind of works opposite in Chicago. It's like late 80s Philly. Like late 80s Philly, it's like if you're a baby face walking in there, they're going to boo you. Unless you were heel like a minute ago.
00:30:23
Speaker
No, but it's so much, it's not even like late 80s Philly. It's like late 80s Randy Savage. It is the biggest heel in the business. And again, Long Island is the late 80s Hogan. As a St. Louis Blues fan, I
00:30:43
Speaker
hated Chicago for years, still kind of do, like reluctantly go every single time. It's only to see you guys and my favorite wrestlers. It is not to enjoy the pizza pie. It is not to enjoy their nice architecture. It is to go look at the town and think about what it was like when that cow burned it to the ground.
00:31:09
Speaker
Well, you know, I think we don't do all that weekend this year, right? We instead, we're going to go watch some GCW in St. Louis at the medal club. We're going to go to West Virginia. We've got some other things on our dance card. We have options. We don't need Chicago. Yeah. But if they do forbidden door in Chicago, we're definitely going if they do Kenny and Okada, right?
00:31:30
Speaker
Fuck it. See you at the United Center. I'll be eating that pizza pie. Did you see that on Fight Plus, VCW is on there.
00:31:43
Speaker
We get to on Fight Plus watch the Beastman dog collar match. Oh my God. In a week or two. How have you not told... Gary, how did you save that from our text thread? Incredible. I found out today. And I thought I would break this news to you live on the air. This is so exciting. When is this specifically?
00:32:03
Speaker
Um, is it, I don't think it's the, there's a ton happening the third. I don't think it's then, I think maybe it's the 10th. Okay. Beastman dog collar. You're saying, do we know who he's wrestling? It doesn't matter, but I'm curious. We, it's listed. Um,
00:32:19
Speaker
Also, so the third is the Pops show. The one in Great Card, we got Gage versus Radric for the title. We've got Sawyer Rec versus Madman Pondo. We've got Effie versus Murdock, which that's fucking cool. Terrific, I love all of these. But then we have...
00:32:40
Speaker
We were talking recently about how GCW doesn't repeat matches a lot. You kind of get something fresh at most shows, which is kind of remarkable that they're able to do, but they are running one back in St. Louis, and I don't think it's fair to the St. Louis crowd that they should have to watch Jordan Oliver and Tony Deppen. Yeah, that's mean.
00:33:03
Speaker
But I mean, that that's just the match that they throw in there to give everyone enough time to go to the strip club, get their wings and get back. Right. So they do it maybe right before intermission or right after intermission. Mm hmm. But I did. So that's December 3rd. But as I was looking also on December 3rd on Fight Plus is a bare knuckle boxing tournament. And
00:33:29
Speaker
I've never watched Bare Knuckle Boxing. AJ Gray shared a little clip of a Bare Knuckle Boxing fight from over the weekend. I just sent it to you two on Instagram. If you could just take a little gander at your phones if you got that. Sweet Lauren, that man is very bloody. Wait, is AJ Gray involved in this or is he just a fan of it? I think he's probably just a fan.
00:33:55
Speaker
Like that man, Chris, that you're looking at, he's beyond bloody. His face is falling off. Oh my. He looks like a man. He looks like a fucking toxic Avenger villain. He looks like what a boxer would look like in a Korean horror movie.
00:34:22
Speaker
What, like, okay. He looks like Leah Miquรฉ. Like, would be like, yeah, that's my new muse. He looks like Hannibal Lecter got at him before he started the fight. Like, why isn't the referee stopping this? Like, if the man's face is falling off, that seems like a call-it kind of situation, but he's still going.
00:34:44
Speaker
It does, indeed. So where is this barrier? What I was going to say before you sent the clip was it seemed like the kind of thing that seems exciting on paper, but I feel like I would turn off in minutes because it just would be unpalatable. I don't know whether I feel that more or less now, but I'm just kind of curious, do we know what country this is? And is it live?
00:35:08
Speaker
It's also, it pops. It's happening. It's happening in the side room. Let me look at fight and see if it can give us more information. But if this is the kind of content you're getting guys for $50 a year, you can pay a dollar a month for, for WWE, or you can watch a man get his goddamn face knocked off.
00:35:33
Speaker
Like this is, and that also tells you all you need to know is that when I heard about the $50 for a year Fight TV Plus, I subscribed in literally seconds after finding that out. I was at my sister's house. I had a lot of family stuff going on, real serious stuff. And I was like, I got to go to the bathroom. I went in the bathroom on my phone and subscribed to Fight TV Plus.
00:35:56
Speaker
Yet for one fifth the price for peacock, I had to think about it real hard, real hard.
00:36:05
Speaker
I'm also interested though, like you guys were talking in one of the episodes I was around for of like, what kind of payday does GCW get
Praise for Fight TV Plus
00:36:13
Speaker
out of it? But we can like, we can play with some numbers. We don't need to do it right now, but like, you can kind of project how many buys you think they were getting and how much they probably did worth it. I personally, in my mind, I'm thinking they're getting like low, low to mid six figures per month. I think is what GCW is getting from the fight TV deal. Somewhere in that ballpark.
00:36:33
Speaker
But what is like VCW getting? What are the bare knuckle boxing people getting? What is Beastman getting? Beastman's getting a coupon for free wings at the Buffalo Wild Wings. He's getting that stack of books in the corner that they aren't allowed to have in the library anymore. Of that West Virginia high school.
00:37:03
Speaker
Now it's a good question. It's something, I know the IWTV deals are, again, if you're not at the sort of the top level, aren't crazy lucrative. It's a weird market because it's really hard, I think, to value some of this independent footage. I mean, I can't be that many people buying VCW paper views. So it can't be a big number to me.
00:37:29
Speaker
You know, I also I come back to and I get that it's like long term and short term. Like I just think financially.
00:37:36
Speaker
your VCW, I just think it makes more sense to put it on YouTube for a couple of reasons. One, if you do have a banger of a show, let everyone get it for free, maybe you do some more buys, maybe you do get some more attention. And then B, and I don't know necessarily how these deals work, so like, I don't know, does Fight Plus now have that VCW show in perpetuity, right? Or do they have it for, is it licensed for a period of time? Because that's the other thing is,
00:38:00
Speaker
These guys that have some of this pre-breakout Beastman, right? WWE and or AEW and or New Japan are going to come knocking for that footage at some point in the not super distant future. I think it's time. I think it's for X amount of time. I don't think it's forever forever. OK. I hope not, because again, we're again, when we build the most comprehensive Beastman archive in the world, we're going to need access to that. And I want to we're willing to pay, but just, you know, we got to be reasonable.
00:38:30
Speaker
We are recording our own commentary though that that there will be no, no, of course. Yes. Yes. We'll be redoing the commentary in all these matches. And no, we will not be asking the names of the people Beastman is wrestling and we will make them up as we go. Yeah. This Beastman fight is December 11th at 2 p.m. And he's fighting Mad Dog Myers in a dog collar match, but
00:38:55
Speaker
December 3rd, you've got so much to choose from, dude, on Fight TV. So at one PM- That's this coming Saturday. Yes. One PM, you can watch this bare knuckle boxing tournament out of the UK, but then by seven PM, you can watch the slap fight championships. Those things, well, those dudes just wail on each other's fucking face.
00:39:19
Speaker
I actually saw some of that this last weekend. We were in one of those bars that just has like random like satellite TV sports from like other countries just on like their absurd amount of TVs. And they had one of those slap fighting championships. It was wonderful. I feel like you know how Anoki wanted New Japan to be like all shoot fighter in the early 2000s.
Exploring Slap Fighting and Botashi
00:39:41
Speaker
They sent people to do MMA.
00:39:44
Speaker
and that wasn't a great idea. But what if New Japan just sent representatives to slap fighting championships? That's something I feel like they could win. You send Ishii to a slap fighting championship. Suzuki? Suzuki, you know. Do you, I mean, have you seen these, Chris? Like these guys are slapping the fuck out of each other's faces. It's like, it's pretty brutal. Like, I mean, I would,
00:40:12
Speaker
It's impressive how little they react. Like they just like, cause that's just harder. They just like get blasted in the face and they're just like, yeah, let's go. No, this is just like dudes with daddy issues, sucking tears through their heads so hard, like making those disappear deep down and all they're thinking about is who hurt them. Ishi casually made Chris Jericho's chest bleed.
00:40:38
Speaker
last week. And that was a lot of blood. Yeah, a lot of blood. I think he could win this in a shoot. Maybe I've just gotten off a few weekends of Fauzi in the UK. I'm not saying that it's not impressive. I'm just saying I think facts could have made Fauzi Fauzi Chris Jericho's just bleed. That's true.
00:41:03
Speaker
Walter, I would put in the slap fight. Ooh, that could be a good one. Yeah. But like big chunky Walter, not like this fucking like thin old Chris hero Walter. Yeah, we want we want the pre like the old Chris Pratt Walter, not the not the new one, but the action hero Chris Pratt Walter.
00:41:25
Speaker
God, fight TV. Like I've I think I talked about this last week, but I've never turned my notifications off. So it thinks I've purchased all these shows. So I constantly get notifications to my phone of the things that I own. It's like you own rugby now. Here is a karate tournament. But on Saturday, I'm going to look like a goddamn psychopath walking around. It's going to be like I may have some like Taylor Swift in my earbuds and pop it up with the most masculine shit you could possibly be watching.
00:41:55
Speaker
I just imagine you guaranteed like a mall, like doing some Christmas shopping, just with some bare knuckle boxing just on the screen. So somebody is gonna say like, toxic masculinity doesn't exist. I'll be like, this motherfucker's face is falling off. He's too prideful to say half my face is gone. I should stop doing this and go kiss my daughter, you know? But now I can't because I don't have any fucking lips.
00:42:25
Speaker
That's why, again, when I had that fight, Garrett, it really only took one half decent shot to really wake me up. Because my masculinity is not toxic. Well, I mean, others can be the judge of that, but it's less toxic than that.
00:42:41
Speaker
less tiny bit I Garrett I just also envision you like you're getting all of these emails and stuff like that of saying you own this or notifications and I also see like you you getting a new iPhone and then you immediately download fight and you know like when you you get a new phone or like you know it's like you have to do all the alerts after you still want alerts yes you log in and then it has the thing where it's like the Apple prompt of like
00:43:11
Speaker
Can you allow this to track activity across other websites? And normally, by default, you don't even think about it. You say, no, do not do that. But then you stop yourself and you're like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I want every goddamn website in the world to know about what I'm watching on Fight TV+. If I don't, then how the hell am I going to know when the truck nuts are on sale?
00:43:40
Speaker
Happy Black Friday, guys. Fuck. Is there a Black Friday deal for Fight Plus? Did we pay $50 like suckers and we could have gotten it for even less if we had just waited a couple of weeks? I haven't seen one.
00:43:55
Speaker
50 cents for the first 12 years and we fucking PUDs paid $50. They know they don't need it, right? It's like, again, Apple isn't like, hey, iPhone's half off. They don't need to. That's Fight TV Plus is the iPhone of streaming entertainment. I don't see a deal, guys. I don't know. Maybe I'm missing it.
00:44:17
Speaker
I guess one o'clock Saturday or you guys checking out this bare knuckle boxing tournament is what I'm asking. See what I'm doing. We may change the whole podcast. It might be a bare knuckle boxing. You let me know. Get just like with WWE. You, you tell me if I need to drop in. That's a bare knuckle boxing.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah, I have planned Saturday during the day, but you let me know. I'll get a couple of drinks on the way home. I'll be taking a long train ride. So I got nothing to do, but just drink and wash and bear knuckle boxing on my phone. My wife comes and she's like, are you is that chewing tobacco? It's like, actually, yes, it is. That's it's a they sent me they sent me a free sample with my fight plus subscription.
00:45:03
Speaker
They saw that I opened the bare knuckle boxing and actually when you do that, they automatically send you a can of skull. You just wake up the next day, you're just yawning, you go to the bathroom, you take a pee, you grab your toothbrush and you look in the mirror and you just notice you're wearing a bandana.
00:45:23
Speaker
they really fight TV plus is really a choose your own adventure and it lets you choose which way your life heads it's like at one o'clock you can either choose this women's cricket tournament out of India or you can go this way and watch dude beat the piss out of each other with their bare fists in the UK
00:45:42
Speaker
Your choice. I'm just pissed. There's an Indian game that someone showed me once called Cubbity that seems like it's it's like a like a sort of a violent version of tag. It's. And I just can't believe it's not on Fight Plus yet, but I do. I do believe at some point it's going to be like, yo, world company championships right now. And I'm going to be like, yes, love you, Fight Plus. It's not on Fight Plus. I wouldn't bank that it's definitely not if you're not definitely sure that it's not.
00:46:11
Speaker
I searched, I searched really hard. It's going to end up showing up on Saudi Arabia, First Paper, like it's going to be a Saudi show. First Paper views is called the most dangerous game. So also at that same bar I was at with my wife's family, we saw some of what I'd never heard of in Japan called Botashi, I believe it's called, or Botayoshi.
00:46:37
Speaker
and it's basically it's capture the flag but then when you get the flag you climb up this giant pole like a monkey and the other team is just trying to beat the piss out of your team to get to you and get the flag and then your team is just trying to beat the piss out of them so they don't get to you and get the flag.
00:46:59
Speaker
I'm sure there's other rules. It was on mute. That's what it seemed like. I could be way off. But that's another sport I think we're going to need to invest some time in. And in Fight TV+, if you don't already have it, I need it. And Fight TV+, just FYI, you've got like a couple of weeks, because there's still like two weeks left of World Tag League. And I'm watching a lot of it. So if you give me the Japanese stuff afterwards, that works for me.
00:47:28
Speaker
I messaged you guys, sir. I'm just saying, right now, Fight TV Plus, we've got a little bit of a platform here. You get Bo Taiyoshi on your platform. I will videotape, I will post on Instagram the tape of me canceling my peacock subscription and putting in there, why did I cancel? Because they don't have Bo Taiyoshi and slap fighting and Fight TV Plus does.
00:48:00
Speaker
It actually sounds like fight TV might be illegal. Like I think we... It's the dark web. There's like a certain series of buttons you have to push to get to a hidden menu where you just watch snuff. And it's... Oh man, I have a Teddy Hart documentary joke there, but you guys haven't seen it yet.
00:48:28
Speaker
Let's just say there's scenes of some things in the Teddy Hart documentary that could be behind the paywall in Garrett's mind here. Some videos that were done.
00:48:42
Speaker
and involved the wrestling school that he, anyway, we'll leave that there. Yeah. Okay, I will have seen all three hours of the Teddy Hart Show by next week. Holy shit, how have I not mentioned this yet? Guys, there is a Control Your Narrative comic book coming out soon. Oh, yes. So it's listed as free. Yeah, what'd you have to pay to get it, Garrett?
00:49:11
Speaker
Five bucks for shipping. Seems like a lot for a comic book, but okay. I'm a comic guy. Five dollars is like the normal going rate.
00:49:23
Speaker
for a comic book, so it's not really free. You're just paying the totally normal amount, and if you buy it from Marvel or DC, they'll just send it to you, right? They'll just send it to you in the mail. You don't got to pay five bucks for shipping for one comic book. Also, Gary, you're gonna get some weird emails. That's how you're paying. You're getting some weird emails for a long time. That's fine. That's fine. It can't be any worse than the ones Fight TV are sending me.
00:49:51
Speaker
So I'm just really curious. I'm looking it up, but I haven't clicked. There is a fairly famous comic book illustrator who did like some really big like Green Lantern flash. Like he was one of the top artists in the industry.
00:50:09
Speaker
And now he doesn't really work in the industry because he's kind of a Nazi. So that all came out. And now he does all of these alt-right comic books. He created a character called Cyberfrog, who me and my friends thought was cool in the late 90s. But now it's like, Cyberfrog kills the woke people. And it's like, oh, that's horrible. The guy's name is Ethan Van Scriever. He's American, despite that name.
00:50:38
Speaker
I need to know if he's involved in the creation of this comic book. Nobody can capture Flip Gordon's jawline like this Nazi man again. This comic book has to be all villains, right? Because no villain thinks they're doing bad. They think they're their hero in the story.
00:50:58
Speaker
I don't know how self-aware this comic book will be. So excited to get it. And if I can give them like get a subscription service to where these show up, it better have a piece of cardboard in front of it. So the mailman doesn't know what I'm getting because, you know, I. It says you can subscribe. So I guess they're planning on doing this. This isn't like a one one shot. This is going to be like a monthly comic book like Spider-Man. I've got a pitch for you, Garrett.
00:51:26
Speaker
We've got an Instagram account and on Instagram you can make reels or you can go live. I want dramatic readings of these comic books from you with pictures.
00:51:43
Speaker
Garrett has gone live, and it's just me like, okay, and here is Flip Gordon. This is EC3 is saying questionable things to this lady in this alleyway. I want you to say the words if you can. I accept that there may be moments where you cannot say the words, but... Well, I'll censor, but I'm going to control my narrative by not saying those things. But it's like, here, this is actually very emotional. He's making Braun Strowman cry.
00:52:13
Speaker
So one thing I also don't know if you noticed on this website, which curiously, by the way, does not say the names of the creators of this comic book.
Control Your Narrative Comic Book
00:52:21
Speaker
So obviously, EC3 is writing it, but the art does not look like the guy I mentioned, but then I want to see. But there's the usual things of like, get the comic. Sure.
00:52:33
Speaker
some other links and then there's comic book distribution requests. Yep. So they're looking for people that might want to bring this into their retail establishment.
00:52:44
Speaker
and sell it. So I think between the three of us, we must know somebody with some kind of shop. I know I literally do. I have a friend who runs a comic book shop in St. Louis. Oh boy. And then we can probably go to the boot and coffee Co. I feel like they won't be we just go booting you're having you're a wrestling Mecca right now whether you like it or not. So you might as well start selling this comic book at the coffee shop. Here's what I'm wondering facts, because
00:53:11
Speaker
If they can comic shop, right, the next step is games, right? Like comic shops, games, right? Could there be a control your narrative game? And could you set up organized play around it? Because here's the thing about control your narrative. This seems to me a bit, I don't think it would have an end. I think it would be kind of Dungeons and Dragons-y. Because again, you control your narrative. No one else can control it. So there's no winning and losing.
00:53:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, controlling your narrative is literally the point of role-playing games, right? From the 70s onward or 60s, I think it started. So maybe, but I do feel like organized play, that seems a little woke, right? Anybody can get involved. Anybody can join. Anybody can register. There's rules. It's got to be fair. And it's whose definition of fair, right? The establishment.
00:54:09
Speaker
I think a role-playing game, absolutely. By the way, I think that we could get started with this without them needing to release anything. I'll get working on it. Perhaps a future episode. We can control our own narrative. Now I'm really liking where you're going with this, Vex. But organized play, I don't know about that. Okay.
00:54:31
Speaker
Do you think EC3 goes to a video game developer? He's like, I've got an idea for this game. Well, let me tell you a little bit about ourselves. He's like, I do see the game going in the direction of Fire Pro Wrestling meets Leisure Suit Larry. You know, it's gonna be a little creepy, but with some fighting. Well, see, the one thing is, you know, and I work in software, I don't work in gaming, but I know a lot of people that work in gaming.
00:55:00
Speaker
lot of minorities in the gaming industry. So that would be tough to navigate what his vision is going to be in a way that will be palatable for a developer.
00:55:11
Speaker
Maybe one of those like app mills that just make like the little games that are all exactly the same on cell phones, where it's like unlock a new pod and then pay real money to buy gold, which you used to buy troll coins, which you used to unlock characters. Like maybe it's one of those. Troll coins are what you use to unlock Bron Strowman.
00:55:35
Speaker
You're playing this, it's literally just Candy Crush, but your phone is monologuing nonsense at you. Every time you beat a chapter in the game, rather than getting a new alternate outfit for your character, you just get a Q drop.
00:55:58
Speaker
The moves you make in this game mirror the moves you make in your life. Have you considered whether the moves you make are determined by you or by society? Do you think you could write in the style of EC3 on that show? Sure. Yeah. Give me some whiskey and just pumps and put some headphones on. I can do it.
00:56:24
Speaker
There's two people that I feel like should be a little embarrassed about their writing. One is Ben Gibbard from Death Cab for Cutie. The other is EC3. And I feel like if either of them had real friends, when they presented the words on page, somebody would say, maybe don't say these. Do you think Ben Gibbard got worse after he and Zooey Deschanel broke up? Like, do you think she was the only thing keeping him okay?
00:56:54
Speaker
I mean, he wrote follow you into the dark before they were together. So I mean, there was certainly a problem already. Yeah. Well, I think the problem is that he got kind of rich, a little bit famous, you know, like once that there's no getting that monster back in the box. Right. You know, like because also like see also Billy Corgan, not for nothing here. And I love the guy. Love the guy's music to death. But not enough to stay for three hours, apparently.
00:57:24
Speaker
Um, no, at the Smashing Nummies show, I'll usually stay to the end. She's not an NWA show. Um, although we do need to talk about the AAA NWA show in Mexico, we don't need to talk about it this week, but we do need to talk about it for sure. Um, but he's another guy where like, how many people do you think maybe you've gone to Billy and go, Billy?
Billy Corgan's NWA Management
00:57:45
Speaker
So there's like, how many accountants that work for him have gone to Billy and be like, Billy, um,
00:57:52
Speaker
So NWA again, and they do like the, like hitting the desk kind of thing. So Billy, just wrapping here. We're going through your money in, money out for 2022. Furniture stores, they're down a little bit. Record sales still strong. That's great. And NWA.
00:58:19
Speaker
Ah, how about that? He's like, I'm just a dumb accountant. I don't know anything about pro wrestling, but I see here you have the belt on somebody named Tyrus. I saw a photo of him. And then I saw a photo, I looked up photos of who has the belts and all the other wrestling companies. And I see you're going for something different that's good sometimes.
00:58:48
Speaker
And I noticed that, I know YouTube, it's not necessarily about it, but the numbers seem to be down. And now I heard, I heard these AEW guys, their numbers are down a little bit too. So I looked and were you aware that they're actually on a platform that pays the money to be on it? So, and they're still getting a lot of people watching and we're not any of those things.
00:59:16
Speaker
I do see that you did put all of your back episodes on Fight Plus, and based off of the other things I saw on there, that did seem like a good decision. I got an account. Actually, I was curious, and I've been watching a lot of bare knuckle boxing. It's actually really relaxing when I'm working on tax return. It's actually kind of nice.
00:59:39
Speaker
I feel like Billy though is paying fight to keep his life because he just wants it available. He's like, eventually, eventually, now that we got rid of Nick Aldis, we're ready to explode, right? He was holding us back. We're too reliant on him. It wasn't letting my creativity shut. And by the way, what is more implausible than like the OG goth from the early 90s?
01:00:07
Speaker
being super into late 70s NWA presentation for years. That never gets old what a bizarre combination this all is. People are weirder than you think. People are weirder than you think. Maybe that's with Chicago turning heel. Billy Corgan's a Chicago guy. Oh yeah. Maybe that's where somehow NWA makes a move and it corners the Chicago market and no other markets.
01:00:36
Speaker
But then also drives WWE and AEW out of Chicago, because they don't want it. Because they don't want to hear the crowd singing Bullet with Butterfly Wings for three hours. No, they're going to go some deeper. They're going to go Zwan. They're going to go some real people in Chicago. They know more than the head. OK. Do they?
01:01:00
Speaker
Those dumb fucks. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. They're heels. I'm sorry, Chicago. I love you. Kinda. Good food. Disturbed.
01:01:15
Speaker
It is weird that he, I don't know, I'm still thinking about the accountants. I see you went with a very classically handsome man for a very long time. And now you've put the belt on a guy who looks like one of the Goombas from the Bob Hoskins Mario movie.
01:01:33
Speaker
Let's see how it goes. Oh, but he's on TV. OK, wait. So you said this champion of yours actually shows up on on cable TV sometimes. Let's get some of those. And hopefully he's got all kinds of mainstream appeal like John Cena or Hulk Hogan or somebody like that, right? I see that Chris Jericho's wife has been watching more. Do you think that maybe she'd be willing to buy the entire promotion from you at
01:02:03
Speaker
only a slight loss. You'll just have to tour a little more next year. And I can see Billy Corgan just doing like a Charles Foster Kane thing and be like, well accountant, I expect the NWA to lose a million dollars this year. I expected them to lose a million dollars next year. And again, it's like, wait, wait, let me stop you right there. Two and a half years. That's what you got left until you're totally broke.
01:02:33
Speaker
You got two and a half years and I'm even, you can't do a comeback tour every single year. We're doing smaller and smaller venues. We can't afford James E. High anymore. You got two and a half years, Billy. I'm actually going to see Nick. Nick Aldis is at the HOG show on, uh,
01:02:56
Speaker
in a couple of weeks and they moved that show from the NYC arena in Jamaica to LaBoom and they moved it to six o'clock. So very good chance I'm gonna go and I can show my daughter what a real world heavyweight champion is.
01:03:12
Speaker
Is she going with you? I think so. She's been really into it. We've actually been watching. I explained that that tag team of the nice tall Australian men that she liked. They're in this tournament now and they're on matches happen all the time.
01:03:27
Speaker
And so we've been watching actually a fair bit of World Tag League. Not again, not every match every day, really just the Aussie Open matches and the Suzuki matches. But she's in and she keeps going like Aussie Open is going to win, which I think is great because first of all, they're going to win a lot of matches. So this is going to be very good for her. Except when we get to the point where they lose, but that's it's going to teach her a lesson about stuff.
01:03:52
Speaker
There are a lot of lessons to be learned in life, bare knuckle boxing, pro wrestling. Yeah. And she actually legitimately, they did the comment, they did the main event. They were in the main event the other day against Goto and Yoshiyashi, solid match. And obviously they won, they got to do the backstage thing afterwards. And so we watched their match the next day against Suzuki and Archer and she was like,
01:04:16
Speaker
When do they go backstage? And I was like, oh, do you want the interviews? You are my daughter. Who do we know who he's fighting, HOG? They have not announced that yet. They have announced. They've announced Kenta versus Loki.
01:04:35
Speaker
which should be good. It looks like it's gonna be maybe the Briscoes against the main event. They seem to be teasing that. I assume they're trying to get the Briscoes, because otherwise I don't know why you would tease that for a show that's like two and a half weeks away and it's an indie show. Just tell us if the match is happening or not. Briscoes took a big loss this weekend. Oh, I did see that. And speaking of Nick Aldis,
01:05:05
Speaker
Yeah, oh no wait, that show, I guess that show. The Briscoe's Lost of the Rock and Roll Express you're saying? I actually didn't realize. Yeah. Yeah, and it said, I couldn't tell from the way it was written if it was Rock and Roll Express's final match, or if it was their final match in that venue. I think it's in final in the venue. Yeah, because they have other matches. And again, I'm sure Conrad would consider letting the Briscoe's kill them.
01:05:36
Speaker
at some later date. But that's the good thing about Conrad is he's a very open-minded guy and he's willing to take anything into consideration for the right price. But yeah, the Ricky Steamboat thing, Ricky Steamboat came back with FTR and they beat Brock Anderson, Brian Pillman, no, Jay Lethal, and Nick Aldis, which is a real team of people that came together. Those shows are weird.
01:06:05
Speaker
Those shows are fucking weird. I mean, don't hate them. Don't hate them. Don't hit. Wrestle. Wrestle. He looks fun. I sent around you guys a picture. Nick Gage and Shane Douglas just taking shots together. That was on the Appalachian YouTube page. Guys, friendships are brewing. You know, did he did they interview each other for the Appalachian? You know, they didn't show a picture of that, but God, if they do.
01:06:30
Speaker
Garrett and I are going to break that thing down like the fucking Zapruder film. You can tell those Shane Douglas things they don't post for a couple of weeks. Because there's definitely been some hints as to when it is. And it's always a couple of weeks later. So I don't think it's crazy to think we could be seeing at some point in the month of December, maybe even early January, a Nic Cage on, what's it called, Appalachian Uncovered or whatever.
Nick Gage in Appalachian Wrestling?
01:06:57
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Appalachian Exposรฉ. There you go.
01:06:59
Speaker
The fact that they have now met and seem to get along pretty well, I have to assume they're probably fans of each other.
01:07:08
Speaker
Nick Gage could show, I guess Nick Gage is exclusive to GCW now, he can't really go other places. But maybe, Lauderdale, if you're not a piece of shit, maybe you let him wrestle in a Buffalo Wild Wings parking lot just once. Well, and whoa, whoa, whoa, maybe Appalachian, I don't know, but VCW, kind of part of the Fight TV plus family, maybe Fight can throw a little cheddar Lauderdale's way, Lauderdale can maybe be a little bit more relaxed. We get on Nick Gage Beastman.
01:07:38
Speaker
Speaking of Lauderdale, he shared, he found four of his like high school student IDs from freshman to senior year and posted them all on Twitter. And the series, he's got a big smile on his face his freshman year. And by senior year, he's like mean mugging, like he's at the DMV. And a alley catch commented underneath and said, oh, we can finally see when Lauderdale lost his smile.
01:08:11
Speaker
I want to see the same thing with Jimmy Lloyd, although then we'll realize his senior high school one was like a year ago. He lost his smile on the set of The Good Shepherd. De Niro was not a nice director to him, probably. Wait, Jimmy Lloyd was in a movie? Was that a bit? Yeah. No, that's not a bit. Jimmy Lloyd was in the Robert De Niro film The Good Shepherd as a small child. What? Why?
01:08:40
Speaker
I don't have an answer to this. Do you mean Lloyd, like a child actor? He was. He was. I only know about this because of Janela. Janela had brought it up a bunch and I think they'd even posted some clips. Like he's a little kid in the movie. I don't remember if he actually has dialogue, but you can certainly see him sitting on a couch in a Robert De Niro movie. Oh, that seems to explain a lot.
01:09:07
Speaker
Does it, or does it make him more of a mystery? No, you're right. I'm on a Reddit page of does Jimmy Lloyd have any notable acting credits? What's the answer? No. Okay. Robert and yours, grandson of the good shepherd. And then the only other response was he was in city by the sea, which sounds like a romantic comedy. I vaguely recall.
01:09:38
Speaker
But I couldn't tell you for sure it was a real movie. I think it was another Robert De Niro movie. Bobby De Niro, big Jimmy Lloyd guy. Apparently. Although, yeah, Jimmy Lloyd would have been, let's see, because he's 24 now we found out, right? Which still seems crazy. He's 14 and a half going on 15. So he would have been four.
01:10:06
Speaker
when this movie was released. So two or three. Jimmy, I don't know what to say about you, man. Love you. Don't want to buy your wrestling buddy though. I was really sad to go on the GCW site and the Nick Gage wrestling buddies were sold out, but it's like, but you can get a Jimmy Lloyd.
01:10:34
Speaker
They're going to be shipping those free with the next next year's black Friday sale. Well, do we, do we have anything else? I think there's all kinds of, we didn't even talk about so much happening, which brings me back to who's got time for survivor series. Sounds like Randy Orton's done.
01:10:59
Speaker
I was getting messages saying that he might never do an RKO again because he's like destroyed his back doing the RKO and now he's getting like back surgery. Yeah. Well, I don't know a lot about back pain, thankfully, knock on wood, but I got to imagine shitting in bags isn't great for your back either.
01:11:22
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So hopefully he can still do that. The thing is like when you shit in a bag, I assume, I assume that you have closer to that squatty potty posture that's supposed to be really, really great for you. So honestly, if anything, that might be the only reason he's still alive.
01:11:46
Speaker
So the ladies, ladies wrestlers, they gave up their bags for, um, for Randy Orton's health. That's really what matters. He thinks it's a prank. We're doing it because what's good for his health. I always have a backup bag, but I put things in it that look important because if it doesn't look important, he can't go. That's actually why he's getting surgery is just that he hasn't been touring with everyone. So he's really backed up.
01:12:17
Speaker
He dies the same way John Wayne died just because he can't, he can't ruin Alexa Bliss's lip gloss. Hey, wrestling's dark, guys. This is, yeah, I don't know if there's anywhere else to go this week.
01:12:45
Speaker
I think we've given the audience plenty. Check out some slap boxing, watch Barbarian. Maybe see the HOG show if the Briscoes show up. You got a couple more weeks to figure that out. I don't know. Tweet at us if Yellowstone is worth checking out. I'm curious, but again, it's like three seasons. It's a long time to be committed to something.
01:13:10
Speaker
I messaged me and let me know how to chew chewing tobacco because I don't want to do it wrong and throw up. But I do want to do it for these shows this weekend. So, you know, I I don't want to look like a putt is what I'm saying. Part of the week. We got to do a part of the week. Oh. If you can't think of one, it's just Kane again. I think it's guys I I know you guys haven't seen the documentary yet, but trust me when I tell you, it's Teddy Hart number two.
01:13:39
Speaker
Number two is the documentary filmmaker, though. What we'll see, you'll see. Number two is that number two is the filmmaker. Number three is Jason Rance. You know who's not puds, though? Teddy Hart's parents, delightful people, it seems. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. I also do we know anything about the journey that like it does seem a little weird that like
01:14:06
Speaker
They make this documentary, they're shopping around and it ends up on the streaming platform with the world's largest wrestling company who like they're a producer. They produce the why? I guess they were maybe they were worried about maybe they wanted to how do I put this control the narrative?
01:14:31
Speaker
And, um, you know, maybe, I don't know, maybe they had final cut or something and maybe, maybe there were some things in there that could have been more damaging. I don't know. Oh, and you know what? I want to call something officially that I had in a text chat or earlier we had with some friends. I want to put it on the record on podcasts too. I'm calling it right now. WrestleMania weekend, the big GCW show, such an L spring break main event in Hollywood.
01:15:00
Speaker
David Arquette, Nick Gage too. I'm calling it. I'm calling my shot. They're gonna go back to that one. That would, you know, if I hadn't already given him 50 bucks for the year, I'd give him 40 just for that match. I know I say this a lot and I don't tend to keep to it. I swear I'm not going to LA for WrestleMania. I swear it, but.
01:15:27
Speaker
But if they announce we're getting Nick Gage, David Arquette, I might have to fly to LA for that. It's sad, because I would love to go to LA for a WrestleMania. I just don't care. I could spend a few days in the Ukrainian cultural center, though. That's not a bad time. What if it's Cody against Roman? What if it's The Rock against Roman?
01:15:54
Speaker
The Rock versus Logan Paul is the only match I need. Oh, there you go. If it's the Rock versus Logan Paul, that's the thing that'll get you out of it. That'll get me there. That'll get me there.
01:16:04
Speaker
Yeah. All right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in this week. I think we've, uh, I think we've, I like facts said we gave you enough. You got enough. You took it from us. Watch the bare knuckle boxing because God knows I am. I know it's not pro wrestling, but you know what? I can't watch in wrestling. This is going to be a bare knuckle boxing podcast next episode. So you better change with us. Otherwise just unsubscribe now.
01:16:28
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Don't say, I bleeped that in editing. Change with us, this show evolves. All right, thanks for listening to everybody. We're at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. I am at Gartet on Instagram. Jimmy Fax on Instagram and Twitter.
01:16:46
Speaker
I'm at Chris May. Twitter still exists by the time this comes out. Yeah, who knows? Is Twitter a thing? I don't know. It's where I found out about the Brian Kendrick logo. Their logo is a heart now. Oh, apparently in my notifications. I don't know. I'm going to have to find some other way to get notified about terrible wrestling things. If if I without Twitter, though, where else will will it pop up like messages from David Bix, Dick Bixenspan that are like, what? No. And then it explains to me what terrible things happen.
01:17:15
Speaker
I don't know. It'll be a fight TV plus alerts. That's what I'm. That's actually that's where we're going to get all our information. Now is that chat bar where people say just horrible things on the during the fight TV shows. That's my news. That's where I get my news. That's where I get my weather. That's where I get financial advice. Come get a score. Yeah. Come find us in that chat room, guys. We'll be there.
01:17:47
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All right, everybody, have a good week. Hit our goddamn music.