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Star Wars: The Bad Batch Review
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In this episode, Satsunami enlists the help of his friend Jan from the Beer and Chill podcast to take on the Star Wars hit The Bad Batch. Does it live up to it's sister series The Clone Wars? Or does one bad batch spoil the franchise? Let's find out!
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Introduction: Star Wars Focus
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami.
00:00:17
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chatsunami. I'm Satsunami and joining me today for this discussion in a galaxy far, far away is a very familiar voice that you might have heard on the channel, Yan, who is from the very awesome Bear and Chill Podcast.
Reflecting on Star Wars Content
00:00:35
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Yan, welcome to Chatsunami.
00:00:37
Speaker
finally we are talking about star wars i know it is long overdue like we haven't even discussed i don't think we've touched star wars on this channel yet let's podcast you did you did you will say oh yeah no yeah the star wars games oh of course yeah
00:00:56
Speaker
And I remember I was listening to it in my work and I was like, oh, come on, guys, you missed this fight and you missed this fight. I was like, no, no, no, that's not true. This is true. I was like, still correcting you. Oh, yeah. What can I say? I'm just a massive Star Wars geek. I'm always excited to talk about Star Wars. I can talk about Star Wars for hours. That's why this episode is four hour long. Yeah, it's going to be the Chatsoo cup and then there's going to be a six hour cup edited by Jan later on.
00:01:26
Speaker
So yeah, be on the lookout for Christmas because you're going to want to wrap that up and put it under your tree. I'm just going to be just raw edition. I'm not going to edit it. I'm just going to be talking raw about Star Wars. I mean, when it comes to Star Wars, you and I are just true artists, aren't we? Just you.
00:01:43
Speaker
We're the first guy who ever called me an artist. Yeah, yeah, it was a compliment. Don't get me wrong, it was a compliment. I don't know why, I just hear like an insult and then like, oh, this guy, oh, oh, he's just a Star Wars nerd. No, you and me both, because last time I was on the Being A Chill podcast, I think, yeah, it was, it was you and I talking about obscure Star Wars facts and I feel ashamed to say that I got, was it five out of six of them?
00:02:10
Speaker
I think you did the most. I think you did the most right. That was surprising even to me. Like some of the facts you brought up and I was like I hate the fact that I know.
00:02:22
Speaker
like Jar Jar Binks having a dad that tried to shoot himself and you know, fun times, fun times. Which reminds me, they didn't agree that you can do the same but with me the next round. Oh yeah, definitely. I'm actually prepared on that. That's why Adam isn't on this episode. He's away compiling all the questions for us.
00:02:45
Speaker
That's totally the reason why he's not on tonight. I've just sent him away and be like, yes, go get all the obscure facts you can. Was Adam the guy you were talking to during the Star Wars games episode? That's the one. Adam, I'm calling you out for the Star Wars facts just now. You and me, Star Wars battle. Because I remember I was correcting you in my mind when I was listening to you. Always, it was Adam. Yeah, I'm thinking it's Adam. It's just Star Wars. Who cares? I'm just making fun of it.
00:03:14
Speaker
It's always when you listen back to these episodes and you think, huh, that fact was totally wrong. Like actually, there was an episode that we released a couple of weeks ago where I said, I was actually listening to it as I was editing that and I thought, you know, I'm sure like
00:03:31
Speaker
Surely that what I say doesn't correct. And then I looked it up on Google and I was like, wow, I am far off the mark here.
Skepticism Towards Star Wars Visions
00:03:38
Speaker
I am totally not right here. So I had to look it up again and be like, yeah, I'm going to edit out this. This is a good long minute. I'm going to take that out. Yeah, let's pretend that I know what I'm talking about for these episodes.
00:03:53
Speaker
If it's okay, right? Before we start talking about the bad batch, which is the topic of the day, I need to ask you, right? Go for it. So Star Wars Visions is coming two days from now on when we record this episode. Are you excited? A little bit. It'll be interesting. I mean, it's not gonna be any worse. I haven't seen it, so this is me jumping on the bandwagon of, ooh, Disney's bad, you know. But it can't be any worse than this Star Wars resistance.
00:04:20
Speaker
or it was like the CGI one like it can't be any worse than that or rebels or you know surely not okay early rebels then okay let me let me rephrase early rebels then like season one rebels yeah what about yourself though are you looking forward to
00:04:38
Speaker
I actually don't know. I mean, see, I'm not a big fan of anime, right? I'm not saying I hate it. I tried to get into it, but I never do. It's just anime is not for me for the reason that it's way too much over the top, right? And when I saw this starboard trailer for, for this series.
00:04:54
Speaker
and I saw a fucking lady with six light sabers you know and a whip light sabers like oh god this is not gonna be for me I suppose on the plus side surely it can't be any more wacky than see the 2003 Clone Wars
00:05:11
Speaker
sure it's why it's why i don't like you see i said i'm not a big fan of 2003 clones i prefer the cgi one because i i don't like the the 2002 2003 one because it again it's like way too much over the top but anyway i will tell you what i'm excited for have you seen the halloween lego special for lego star wars i have not but i will be watching that after this episode
00:05:33
Speaker
There is a trailer for it. It comes on Halloween and it looks absolutely brilliant. I just love when they took Star Wars and make like the ridiculous side of it, you know? I'm so real and over the Christmas special. The Christmas special is great for the Lego one.
00:05:49
Speaker
Yeah, this is supposed to be like a sequel to it, you know, but it's on Halloween and it's supposed to be like, it's supposed to be like this. Um, who was it? I think it's Paul Cameron. He's traveling to like a Vegas castle, right? Which is like in this story is like removed into like a scary hotel. Yeah.
00:06:05
Speaker
and they tell like five scary stories about Star Wars you know and Star Wars villains and I can't wait. The trailer looks absolutely brilliant. Oh it's gonna be awesome. They do a good job on that. I mean not to you know it's like beating a dead horse making fun of the like sequel trilogy but it's like when you're more excited about the Star Wars Lego spinoff
00:06:24
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than those films. Something's gone wrong somewhere. Some severely gone wrong. Speaking of things you're all looking forward to, you were just saying there that you were a big fan of the CGI Clone Wars which, not gonna lie, I do agree, I binge watched it. During the walk down last year in 2020, I binged it
00:06:46
Speaker
the entire thing. I loved it. I wasn't sure what to think of it because the only kind of exposure I had was the film when that came out. And then later I watched the series, absolutely loved it. And that definitely was another Chatsu episode.
Clone Wars Appreciation
00:07:00
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Yeah, it was fantastic. And then when I heard the Bad Batch was coming out, which was, let's face it, the Bad Batch is just like an epilogue almost to… But it's like new season of Conboards basically, yeah. It basically is just season 8 of The Clone Wars.
00:07:15
Speaker
Well, for the most part. Not only I love Clone Wars, right? I live through Clone Wars. I grew up on Clone Wars. Man, I can't imagine how... You can't imagine like Small Yan, you know, watching every episode online. And then whole week because it was the least weekly, right?
00:07:33
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whole week rewatching the same episode but i get free time so i can watch the next one and i imagine i always like we talk about it off of recording today i always went like to the star wars dot com the official website they always put like a sneak peeks of a new next episode of clone wars and i watch it yeah so i was like watching during the release of every episode i watch it i will yeah i love that man it's what can i say so what you're saying is you're a bit of a fan of the series
00:08:03
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When I find out there's gonna be a new season season 7 of the Clone Wars, oh boy I remember it was I think it was a few months before I moved to UK and I saw the trailer was like oh boy
00:08:19
Speaker
I think that's what got me back into the Clone Wars when they announced Season 7, because until then I had only seen bits and pieces of it and I kind of thought, ah, it was alright, you know what I saw and some bits were fantastic, you know. And then when Season 7 came out, I kind of thought, okay, maybe I should get back into it.
00:08:38
Speaker
And yeah, no, definitely it was worth it, especially for the build-up to Season 7. And then, of course, after that, because this is what Disney Star Wars is doing just now, they're announcing every single series under the sun. You've got The Mandalorian, which, of course, is fantastic.
00:08:57
Speaker
Yeah, it's good, it's good, I'm talking about it, it's very good. You know, you've got all these series that are coming out recently, you're the Lego spin-offs as we just established, you know, Star Wars Visions and everything. And then they announced the Bad Batch, which is quite an interesting choice, I have to say, of a spin-off. So the Bad Batch were a group of genetically
00:09:20
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would it be right to say genetically defunct clones who have special abilities of their own? Special mutations? Yeah, special mutations, thank you. You've got one who can hunt really well, you've got the strong one, you've got the tech ones, you've got the sniper, you know and all of this. And there was like I think the re-episodes in season 7 of the Clone Wars where they focused on them trying to rescue another clone, Echo, from this Separatist.
00:09:50
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my favorites man. Echo five and like hold the domino squad if you remember the arc. It was heavy, echo fives, five was my favorite. Yeah, sorry continue. We really need to do like a CGI cold water retrospective. Oh no, that's a mistake, it's gonna be like 10 hours long. Oh yeah, yeah. Don't worry, um let's just let's just give it a break to head it as well, it'll be fine.
00:10:15
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Anyway, sorry. Yeah, there was those episodes. I can't remember when it was, but it was definitely a couple of weeks after that, they announced that they were bringing out a bad batch. In fact, they announced a whole list of shows. There was going to be an Ahsoka show. There was going to be this and that. There's honestly loads. I could sit here and list them all, but honestly, go look up the poster of this.
00:10:36
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There's like a long list, longer than the title cards at the beginning of films, and it was really interesting.
00:10:53
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I prefer animations over live actions in a way that with animations, the first of all, it's cheaper. And second of all, you can do more. You can open more your imagination, you know, you can do more. I get this feeling that in live action, you're very, very limited.
00:11:08
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Because with CGI and stuff like that, with animation you just don't care. You just make like these huge CGI bells, you know, like in Clone Wars. You can just open your mind a little bit, you know? So like I said, I prefer the animations over the live action. Well, how about you?
00:11:24
Speaker
feel as if for the live action for the CGI you can get away with a lot more. You can have more of a grander scale and everything whereas although you can have big battles and live action you have to make sure they're realistic. If you know what I mean you can't just
00:11:43
Speaker
have. I mean you've seen what it's like behind the scenes where they've got like the big screens and everything like the big green screens and they're jumping from step to step and it's just dumb that way. It looks dumb behind the scenes. It looks a little bit better than the actual film but for this it's like they don't have to worry about that. They can just get the characters and just absolutely just go for it which is absolutely fantastic.
00:12:11
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So, yeah, before we jump into the Bad Batch as a whole, you know, getting really ripped into this series. Yeah, we're done. You've enjoyed, you know, ripping it out of all series. Exactly. Yeah, indeed. Before we do that, we are, yeah, we are going to listen to a few messages
Podcast Promotions
00:12:29
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and then we will be right back after those. So hang on. Is there any message for me now? Hold on, let me check. Someone who's a fan of Vereanchel and Special Amino.
00:12:40
Speaker
Let's have a look! Welcome to Chatsunami, a variety podcast that talks about topics from gaming and films to streaming in general interest. Previously on Chatsunami, we discussed Game of the Decade, Deadly Premonition, the romantic thriller, Burdemic, and listened to us get all sappy as we discuss our top five Christmas films.
00:13:01
Speaker
If that sounds like your cup of tea, then you can find us on Anchor, Spotify, YouTube and all good podcast apps. As always, stay safe, stay awesome and most importantly, stay hydrated.
00:13:14
Speaker
We are Beer and Chill Podcast. Podcast where we review TV shows, games, movies and whatever else takes our fancy. So what are you waiting for? If you're a cool kid like us, you're gonna listen to the Beer and Chill Podcast. You can get anywhere from Spotify all the way to your grandma's radio. My name is Jan. And I'm Craig Yisi. And we are Beer and Chill.
00:13:49
Speaker
So yeah, as we were just discussing in the intro there, today we are going to be talking about the Bad Batch, which I've got a question for you Yann before we jump into this. What were your impressions? Like when you heard about the Bad Batch being released to Disney+, what were your thoughts? Well first of all, Bad Batch? More like Good Batch?
00:14:13
Speaker
I was just saying, what were your impressions of The Bad Batch? When you heard about it coming out, when Disney announced and said, oh, we've got this new CD to come out now, and we're going to be focusing solely on The Bad Batch as the main protagonist, what did you think at the time?
00:14:34
Speaker
first I was like oh then I saw like the title card I was like hmm and I saw that it's supposed to be a continuation of Clone Wars I was like okay I'm gonna watch it shut up then I watched the Star Wars the trailer I was like okay you sold me in yeah please give it to me give it to me put it in my wins come on everything don't let every episode I want everything in I mean
00:14:57
Speaker
Honestly, I think I was in a similar boat. I didn't know what to think. When I first heard about this, I was kind of like, huh, okay, this is a thing. I'm gonna be honest, and please don't hate me for this, but I wasn't 100% pro bad batch when I saw them in the Clone Wars. They were all right, you know? But it almost felt like, you know, you've got your stereotype,
00:15:20
Speaker
characters you know for like the special forces like you've got your Rambo you've got your you know like so like sorry just to quickly explain the main characters are split up into basically the roles let's say so you've got hunter who is the leader slash as the name implies you're really good at like tracking people you have tech who you don't need to be a tech liz to
00:15:44
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figure out what he does in the team. You've got Wrecker, who wrecks things, you know, he's the muscle of the group. You've got Crosshair, who is the sniper. Eventually they get joined by Echo, who, after a minute, I think Echo's probably the only one whose name doesn't really reflect what he does in the team. I think he's just kind of there.
00:16:03
Speaker
It just reminds me of the scene when he was like, which episode was it? Was it the moment they were like, the droid factory? They were like, oh no, we need Echo here. He was like, yes. Yes. He was like, what? No, I'm Echo. Yeah, he's just kind of there, doesn't he? Do you know what I hate about Bad Batch the most? Do tell. I can't stand that guy. I almost every time he opened his mouth, I want to punch him. Yeah.
00:16:29
Speaker
I feel as if he is definite with the exposition machine over this show. Do you feel the same way? No, I think he's just an annoying bum. His voice is very annoying as well. Every time he just opens his mouth, it's like on my
00:16:45
Speaker
God, shut up, Tech, no one cares! No, it's just, whenever he opens, as you said, he has a knowing, but whenever he opens his mouth, you always hear him say something exposition-y. He'll turn round and say something like, oh, you're Saw Gerrera. Which, by the way, side tangent, see Disney or any other show trying to get Saw to be a legitimate character. Just, just stop. Look, Disney, I like Rogue One,
Critique of Repeated Characters
00:17:12
Speaker
okay? I'm one of those weirdos that actually didn't mind Rogue One.
00:17:15
Speaker
Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna stop you right there. I'm gonna stop you right there, right? Sloguera started from the Clone Wars. No, I know. He was good in that episode. Like, he was good in his debut. I've never met him. He was good in his debut. He was good, well, he was there in Rogue One. But he was good in his debut episode. But ever since then, it's as if he just keeps popping up.
00:17:36
Speaker
And it's like, what child is turning round to their mum and saying, Mummy, I want a Saw Gerrera figure for Christmas. Nobody. Nobody. And if your child is asking that, take them to a therapist. Something's wrong there. But anyway, beside the point.
00:17:54
Speaker
You know, it's like the thing I think that's annoying is the fact they keep, you know, they're doing the very Star Wars-y thing where they keep bringing in characters from the past. You know, you've got Saw Gerrera, you've got the Wonder Twins. I can't remember their names. You know, the two sisters at the end of season seven that tag along with Ahsoka.
00:18:23
Speaker
No, see if you skip those episodes, you're really missing nothing. Let's face it, you're missing nothing. But those two people. Yeah, like you've got them, you've got...
00:18:35
Speaker
I mean, you've got Rex as well, but at least... Sorry, you're okay. Just if you had a camera, you would see me like, how confused I was when you mentioned one that was... I was like, what?
00:18:47
Speaker
Yes, it's the Expanded Universe. That's going to be next week's episode when we talk about the Wonder Twins. It's the Clone Wars. But yeah, you've got them, you've got Rex, which at least Rex makes sense because it's clones trying to find one another. They've moved away from the Empire. That makes sense at least.
00:19:09
Speaker
who doesn't like rex as well oh yeah rex is awesome he really is but like you get all of these other characters that just pop up out of nowhere and you're just like come on does everybody in the universe need to know one another so to be honest i quite like this that all the thing is connected yeah i'm one of those guys who actually likes i like when everything is connected i like when this character stumbles into dead one you know
00:19:34
Speaker
I know it makes it like the galaxy smaller, but on the other side, for me, I see it in a way that those characters make bigger impact. Such a big impact I need to show even the Wonder Twins. Yeah. You know, the famous legendary Wonder Twins. The famous Wonder Twins. Who can forget? First, see, when you mention Wonder Twins, I thought easy. I was like, is he talking about Luke and Leia or? No, no, no, no. Hi, Bush, no.
00:20:01
Speaker
Yeah, like, some of them I don't mind. I think it's more... Okay, like, I'll put it this way. I don't mind so much them bumping into some of these characters. I think what I mind more is, like, tech comes out of nowhere and it's just like, oh, you're Saw Gerrera from the whatever. It's like, you know when, like, cartoons do that, like, The Simpsons and things like that with the like? In fact, have you ever seen the episode of The Simpsons where they go to London? Have you ever seen that one?
00:20:27
Speaker
No, so there's an episode. This is a brief side tangent, but trust me, it's very relevant. Basically, there's an episode in that where they go to London and, you know, it was very famous when it came out here because, you know, ah, Simpson's come to London, there's all the stereotypes. And they got all these like celebrities to voice characters for literally two seconds here. You had Tony Blair, J.K. Rowling, E. McKellen.
00:20:51
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They were literally in it for two seconds and every time they bumped into a character, Lisa would go, look, it's Prime Minister Tony Blair. Look, it's the Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling. That's how I feel tech is in this series is like, look, it's Rex. Look, it's Leia. You know, hahaha. But you know what I mean? It's mostly tech, yeah.
00:21:12
Speaker
Yes, always take, yeah, like, take, shut up. And he's so much unfunny. Like, remember, it was the second episode, which I quite like. It was the one where it was Omega, or how they say, Omega. I don't know if it's Omega or Amiga. They always, like, change it. How she, like, escaped the ship, the shuttle, you know, in the middle of the, you know, like, the Imperial hangar. And they're like, oh, my God, where's Omega? And they, you know, take a second window pointing at her. Found her. You're so funny. Like, shut up.
00:21:41
Speaker
I think that was a Disney thing. It's definitely like they've said, oh, we could have comic-related. Can we just like take a side tangent to talk about the Omega in the room? Or Omega? Whatever you want to say. Can I just say, by the way, I say Omega. Every time I hear Omega, I think of the fish tablets. You know the Omega? What? You know Omega 3 tablets you get? You know, it's like, or you'd see them in food. Don't worry, I'll send you an Omega.
00:22:03
Speaker
I can't believe a discussion about bad patches now going on to vitamins, but trust me it's real. Every time I hear the words like Omega, I think of the words like Omega 3, and it's like, oh, it's these tablets, good for your concentration and vitamins and that. Although, ironically enough, Omega is, or Omega, whatever you want to call her, she is not good for anything.
00:22:27
Speaker
Okay, she's good for some things, but she is basically... I have to admit, when I saw the promotional stuff for The Bad Batch, I saw all the characters, you know, Raker, Hunter, everyone else, and I thought, oh, this is going to be cool. And then all of a sudden I see this poster and I lean closer and I think, huh, that looks like a child. That looks like a child in my Star Wars war drama.
00:22:51
Speaker
And I'm like, no. You know that way where they just put in a token child character to be the new set of eyes for the universe. It's like, oh, this child hasn't seen Kamino. Or she hasn't seen all of these other planets. She hasn't seen Coruscant. I'm just pulling names at heart. But you know what I mean? She hasn't seen the world.
00:23:13
Speaker
To be honest, I quite like it because, you know, like there gotta be some people who never watch Star Wars before and you can introduce these things people should know already through Omega who sees things for the very first time. See, when I'm like in my head writing my own stories, I always introduce a character who doesn't know anything and you can like use this character to introduce things again, you know? I quite like it.
00:23:37
Speaker
I'm a sucker for these stories, right? Where there is like this battle of war on character who now needs to be a dad, you know? Lately we have it a lot. We got Mandalorian, we got Logan, we got Bad Batch. It's overused in today, but I love it. I love these stories, man. I just...
00:23:54
Speaker
I love seeing you got God of War as well. I just I love these characters who know only thing they know is like being edgy cool you know now they need to be learn how to be a human. I always I love this and that's why I love about Bad Bitch is like Omega is there for reason.
00:24:10
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to make a bad batch of family. Because that's what they end up being. Hunter being like the big brother, you know? She said to himself that they are not just, you know, just her squad. It's her family, her brothers, you know? Yeah, I'm sucker for these stories, man. I love family, so... That's what I love. Like, my favorite Marvel movies are Guardians of the Galaxy, you know? It's the same story. Five guys learn how to be a family. Great film, by the way. Just one point out.
00:24:39
Speaker
I can see your point there. I don't know. Like, I feel as if, like, say at the beginning, I feel as if it was like, although she was a little bit annoying, but like, not overly, you know? Like, it was just the generic child being like, oh yeah, I'm a meagre. And you're like, okay, okay. You just sit down there. You sit over there with the long neck people. It's like, you mean the Kaminoans? Yes, the long neck people. You just sit over there. Yeah, you just- They put those dinosaurs over there.
00:25:05
Speaker
You stay over there, we'll stay over here on the clone table. You stay over there in the, I don't know what table you sit at, but yeah. Like, I have to admit though, the first step, like dialing it back a bit, the first episode, really, I was really impressed by it. There were moments where I was kind of like, that's a bit thingy, but
00:25:24
Speaker
this is my confession of the night. I am a huge sucker for the Empire and everything and I feel as if this period in Star Wars is criminally underexplored, the transition between the fall of the Republic and then the rise of the Empire. They always keep it like when Empire is already a thing.
00:25:46
Speaker
No, no, and it's just like you always see rebels, you know, like the start where the Empire will swing or, you know, things like that. You never see this like slow steady build up because you think clone troopers didn't just take off the helmets put on the stormtrooper one. It's like, oh,
00:26:03
Speaker
And that's what I love, like both about Clone Wars and this one is that there's this low gradual progression into the Empire and it is quite chilling to watch when you see like you get to see Order 66 enacted and because the Bad Batch are obviously quite different they are for the most part the inhibitor chips don't set them off to start killing Jedi. Although I will say this and probably a good place to say probably we're gonna dive into spoilers though.
00:26:31
Speaker
But at the very beginning, we get introduced to a young Padawan with his master, and they are trying to fight off this separatist push. And the young Padawan is supposed to be the main Jedi Knight in Star Wars Rebels, like the adult one, not the weird child with the candy colour here.
00:26:53
Speaker
That's another rant for another day. His voice, I'm sorry. What was up with that? Where he's just got this really deep, it's okay, master. We're on our way. You're not a child. It's always Freddie Prinze Jr., right? He's voiced him in The Rebels. And now he's still voiced him as a child. Give him a break. He tried. You can hear that he tried. Even though he didn't at all.
00:27:20
Speaker
They could have pitched his voice up. Do you know what it reminds me of? Do you remember those Stranger Danger videos you used to get in the early days of the internet? Where it's like, be careful who you're talking to. It's like, don't forget, I grew up in Chik-Rip. We never even had Netflix in there. Ah, good point, carry on.
00:27:38
Speaker
I just always remember these adverts you used to get where it was like someone like it's a child's voice speaking and it's like oh I'm you know so-and-so and I'm you know whatever and then of course it pans around it turns out to be like a 40 year old man it almost feels like that where it's like he didn't even attempt it he was just like yes I am a padawan no you're not
00:28:00
Speaker
It also reminds me, have you played Witcher 3? Yeah, yeah. There's like this, it's a DLC, it's like a free DLC. It's called where a cat and a wolf plays. It's like a side vision. And there's like this kid, right? And it was clearly voice-over by an adult person.
00:28:20
Speaker
But that person like pitched his voice like very, very high and it's so annoying to listen to her. She's like crying. It's like, oh, my family died. She's like with this high pitched voice. Can you imagine that I have this in the bad batch?
00:28:37
Speaker
See, this is the thing. If this was just any other studio, I'd be like, okay. But this is Disney. I mean, I'm like, come on. There has to be a line somewhere. One of the biggest, the highest-grossing multimedia franchises of all time. Star Wars. And it's like, oh yeah, what's Freddie Prinze Jr. doing nowadays? Well, he's just sitting in his arse. Okay, get him in.
00:29:01
Speaker
What's he voicing? Oh, he's voicing a child, right? Okay, just speak normally. Oh, Disney, do you want me to do that take again? Nah, nah, it's good. It's only the bad batch, you know, it's fine. Just a quick note, right? When we talk about Freddie Prinze Jr. He is in Everything I Love. So he's in Mass Effect. Wow, really? He's in Star Wars, and he worked for WWE as well. Hold on. So, Freddie Prinze Jr. is in Everything I Love.
00:29:28
Speaker
I don't know if he had such a way, but CV is the wrong word, but you know what, he's done. He did it. Is that you, Google, when they're just... No, I was listening to a podcast run. It was on my favorite podcast show, Chris Van Vliet Show, and he was there as a guest, and he was talking about his time in WWE. And then he was like, well, I remember this time I was in Star Wars playing this character. Then I was in Mass Effect playing this character. I was like, oh, shit, he was in Mass Effect. He was in Star Wars. He is in WWE. What?
00:29:58
Speaker
that's amazing and he's married to Buffy the vampire slayer oh so he is yeah i like Buffy as well so good going what good for him you know sorry i know it sounds like a you had like a 10 minute run on this good for you good for you
00:30:16
Speaker
Good for you! Having a Christian Bale moment? Yeah, Christian Bale! Oh, but anyway, movie's roughly on before we spend another 20 minutes writing a film. Before we even ask the question, I'll start talking about the side characters quickly. Let's finish the squad, right? So we talk about Tech, about his annoying bum. Then we talk about Omega, which you said you always imagined like the Omega, what was it, Pills? Omega 3, yeah.
00:30:45
Speaker
Yeah, I always imagine Kenny Omega, the wrestler, from AEW. Okay, so now you have Echo. We've talked about Echo as well. He was in my favorite squad, in my favorite episodes in the Clone Wars.
00:31:01
Speaker
Yeah, you said that he's just there, right? Yeah, like, he's the only one that doesn't really fit in with the bad batch. Like, not in a bad way. I think he's a good character. No, you're right. He's doing nothing in the series. Absolutely nothing. Because, I mean, as I said before, they're all named after what they do. You know, Hunter hunts, you know, Reka wrecks crosshair, puts things in his crosshair, and Tech is just an annoying piece of you-know-what. But for Echo, he's just, he's got a robot arm.
00:31:29
Speaker
I think he's got more than just an arm. Well, he's got a robot arm, he's got a funny helmet. My god, the amount of fan speculation of how does Echo put his helmet on, it's like, does it really matter? Everyone's like, of course it matters because it has to clip into it and like, really, is this where we are in the fanbase?
00:31:49
Speaker
We're discussing bloody clips. It's true that he does absolutely nothing in this season. They start a storyline with him that he's scared of scanning because he's got PTSD from when he was in the droid factory or was it when they used him against the Republic?
00:32:06
Speaker
I mean they never go with it anyway like just it's just a guy who knows Rex. The only thing that I can remember him being semi-prominent and other than you know like whenever they're all together as when he has to rescue a separatist senator he throws such a fucking
00:32:24
Speaker
They say that like, ooh, it's a separatist senator. And it's like, yes, it is. Do you not realize the situation you're in right now? And I get why they threw it in, but it's like, listen, echo, listen, nobody cares. It's like, nobody, no one's going to care. Go to the corner with tech, all right. Go in with tech. That's exactly what happens. It's just a corner of the ship where it's just echo and tech.
00:32:48
Speaker
And that's all they do, they just stick together. And it's like, I feel it's a disservice to Echo, because again, he's a good character, but my god, like, what does he actually do? I mean, Hunter is a lot more fleshed out, I feel as if he steals the bell.
00:33:03
Speaker
Yeah, he kind of does. Yeah, he borderline steals the show. There is Riker, but I'm going to be honest, I'm putting my cards on the table here. I do not like Riker. Wait, what? I don't. I'm sorry. I think he's alright. I think he's serviceable for what he is, but I just don't like the stereotype of like, oh, I'm a big dumb man, man child, you know? Which I'm sure that's Disney getting back at the fanbase.
00:33:28
Speaker
you know he is it's like see when omega brings it sorry i said that was such disdain you know she brings in these like teddy bear and everything and i was laughing because i was reading the comments for this episode that everyone was just like oh yeah that's going to be a toy isn't it
00:33:47
Speaker
It's totally gonna be a toy on the Christmas show. And then last but not least of course we have Crosshair who we haven't really talked about a lot. Oh yeah. I'm just gonna go quickly to Ricker, back to Ricker. What did you think about his how we in wrestling business say about his heel turn? Oh his um when the chip activated and they went like full terminator. I like that. I really like that but then yeah they I was gonna say they didn't really subsume with the power of love, that's bad to say.
00:34:17
Speaker
Well, they tried. It didn't work, thank God. But I liked that. I liked that episode. So just to quickly explain, because of their genetic mutations, their inhibitor chips don't really work the same. And throughout the series, because Rekha is such a brawler, he keeps getting hit in the head, and that kind of spurs all in his chip to activate. And I liked that episode. I really thought that was interesting. But then he's back to his old self and you're like, okay.
00:34:46
Speaker
Yeah, it was very quick, you know? I thought it was going to be something more. It felt like a wasted opportunity, you know? Why couldn't you join with like crosshair? It would be awesome! What I thought, like genuinely what I thought, the way the series would go would be that they would lose each other one by one.
00:35:04
Speaker
And it would be like this kind of serious story of, and again, I know it's Star Wars, I know it's like a CGI thing, but like, you know, the whole futility of going through this conflict with each other as brothers and then losing one another, not to the separatists, but to, you know, this like horrible thing far out of their control. But no, Wrecker's fine. He gets shoved down the machine. Bloop.
00:35:24
Speaker
The thing gets blocked out. Yeah, the thing gets blocked out. That's it. He's fine. No danger. Probably got a lollipop after that. That's it. There's nothing after that. And you're like... Yeah, even if it was also wasted opportunity. How about a story? How Omega needs to learn how to trust Wrecker again after that traumatic event when he nearly killed her. You know what I mean? They could do something there. It was like very wasted opportunity. They could do more in there.
00:35:50
Speaker
You could more explain it, you know? It's like in real life when you get like heard by someone and you don't trust him anymore. Nah, I'm just trying to be right about to the kids. I know what you mean though. See, this is why I thought this is the way that we're gonna go because Rekha Riz built up from the beginning as this like dumb British clone.
00:36:11
Speaker
who is totally, he's got no skill points in his intelligence at all. He can beat stuff up, he can throw things off cliffs, but he cannot hold a thought for two seconds. That's what I thought they were doing, that because he's so big and lovable and all that, that when his chip goes off,
00:36:28
Speaker
suddenly something snaps and then we have to feel sorry for him and that's what everyone was saying they were like oh no I'm gonna be heartbroken if he turns to the Empire and all of this and this is what I was expecting I was like oh this is really cool this is very mature and then yeah two seconds as I said bloop that's it he's back to normal and you're like it's a thing but of course that leads us to Crosshair who is... he is a thing
00:36:57
Speaker
See, sometimes I think of him as a badass. Did I think something else? But he's got a good theme though. There was this episode where they didn't do much with Crosshair, right? There was this good episode when he was in the Empire and he was showing how evil he is and start executing the civilians. I love that. I love that. But that sounded weird, but you know what I mean.
00:37:17
Speaker
no no go on then he was like you know like hunting uh the bad batch you know and then it was like this episode it was like first to finish you know like three episodes left to finish the series and he was like give me a permission to hunt the bad batch and i was like what the hell did you did all this time then you're like tell me you didn't try to hunt shut up you you tried don't tell me the
00:37:42
Speaker
like what i'm laughing at just thinking of it is like the admiral turns round and goes wait what you haven't been hunting the bad batch what have you been doing all this time man jesus get out of there you know it's like
00:38:10
Speaker
I felt as if in some cases they went far too off the deep end. The only reason I'm saying this is it has a thing against children and I don't know why.
00:38:23
Speaker
Children in the elderly like literally even before you're in a way time to be honest is there someone listening right now, right? Is there someone who actually likes children except their own? I hate children myself. I mean I see a turn I want to slap it
00:38:38
Speaker
get they would go to the extent of like you know seeing an old woman who's doing nothing and like a child like there's one thing like i get that crosshair is supposed to be this guy who's like oh i'm gonna do anything for the empire but it's like use your head man what tactical advantage do you think they're having parties on like the star destroyers when they're like sir do you remember that camp that we're supposed to clear out for you know so good error was
00:39:04
Speaker
Well, we didn't get soguera, but we got an old woman with a cane. Is that close enough? And he's like, yeah, screw it, close enough. And they're all like partying on wood. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, sir, we didn't get soguera, but I killed an old woman. You did what? Killed an old woman. And a child. And a child. You know what that means? What? It's up to party. Yeah, exactly. And the music, you know, disco ball and disco music, and they start tensing. That's a lot.
00:39:34
Speaker
That's honestly what it felt like at times where it was like, I get what they were trying to do and I appreciate they were trying to make him just completely irredeemable. But sometimes they just went off such a deep dive. I can't be evil. I have to be Disney cartoonish evil. I have to be like, right after this, the Empire has sanctioned me to burn down an orphanage, you know? It's like, that wouldn't be out of place here. You're just like, what?
00:40:02
Speaker
I can imagine they both, the orphans, you know, and then they start everything in the death star, you know, like the train, you know, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Another children death. Aye! Exactly. It's like that kind of theme that they keep for him. He's got good moments, I have to say, but whenever he comes up, you're just like, oh, you're just acting like such a dick right now. It's like you're just acting like a horrible, horrible man on a horrible clone.
00:40:30
Speaker
I think he wasn't evil enough. A lot more scenes of girls are just walking on the streets and slapping children.
Crosshair's Actions in 'The Bad Batch'
00:40:36
Speaker
That's why I won't. Just like, fuck it. Do you know what it reminds me of? It's like, you know the pantomimes that we get here where you get like children or you get the villain in the pantomime where kids, you know, have to boo them and they're like, boo, it's the evil person who's like overly evil. It's like if you got a villain like that,
00:40:57
Speaker
but the villain actively got off the stage and started slapping the children in the front row. That's like the kind of comedic I'm an evil person, because there's literally a scene where he orders these civilians to be burnt alive and I get it, you know, it's like oh it's the Empire, they're evil, but it's like there's no tactical advantage here, there's no… But there is actually. Well, technically.
00:41:22
Speaker
But there is, you know what, they are having fun. Is there something wrong with it? Yeah, clones just wanna have fun. Yeah, just a normal imperial officer have fun, you know what I mean? Take a flamethrower and just burn some kids. Well, apparently, according to this version of the Empire, they're just like war crime happy. It's like, bye.
00:41:41
Speaker
God. What I'm trying to say is this shows nothing but rebel propaganda. Just completely anti-Empire. Don't watch it. No, I'm a little kid. Empire did nothing wrong. Well, that is true. Times two. Anyway, except for that. Okay, I'm going to say it. Crosshair is not affiliated with the Empire.
00:42:00
Speaker
It's saying the honesty, say from that moment on, from the first episode, maybe I'm being a bit reductive, but do you think that this turns a little bit into a side quest show? You know, it's like... Yeah, like, don't get me wrong, there's some things that keep them on the track, and after a minute, one of my favourite episodes is the one where the name of the planet's like escaping me, but they go to a planet where there's a clone deserter from the Clone Wars living there with his family.
00:42:28
Speaker
I love that. I think it's fantastic. Is it the second one? Yeah. It must be, yeah. Because it shows you how the Empire are slowly taking over and how people are trying to evacuate and everything. It's so well done. But then after that they get into a
00:42:45
Speaker
I don't even know what you call her, is it Sid or something? Who's like this underground gangster or something? She owns a bar and then every single episode is just them going off on a side quest to rescue senators, fight against slavery. What else do they do? They do a whole bunch of same missions and then every so often they cut back to Camino and the Empire and you're like, oh yeah, this is a Star Wars show.
00:43:14
Speaker
There was this episode when they were helping her out, when her rival took over the bar. Oh that was awful. It was a horrible episode. And they were helping her out. I was sitting and watching, I was like, why are they helping her? She was laughing but mean to them. It felt like if I were them, I would just leave her alone. I would be like, whatever, bye. Did they owe her something? Or did I miss something?
00:43:36
Speaker
No, I think she said like, oh, you owe me money or something. Yeah, I mean, except the money. They do pay her back, I'm sure. But I can't remember what happens after that. I think they pay her back and then they bug her off. But like, her whole thing in the show was very, very weak.
00:43:54
Speaker
The Camino stuff was interesting though, I have to say. From start to finish, this is probably a big thing to jump into. From start to finish, there's always a scene where, and this is something I loved about the Clone Wars as well. This is going to sound really weird to see about an action sci-fi show.
00:44:15
Speaker
the Clone Wars, or not the Clone Wars, the Bad Batch as well as the Clone Wars goes into like the politics of the Star Wars universe in quite a really interesting way. You know, it's not like bogged down for the most part with like boring political talk and things but for the context of Kamino, their contract to create clones for the former Republic has now fallen through and they're like, huh, maybe it was a bad idea to create a whole Grand Army.
00:44:43
Speaker
to subjugate us you know it's like maybe that was just a bad idea so like i was expecting so you've played battlefront 2 haven't you yeah yeah which one the 2005 one the original one and there's like a story mode in that where you play as the 501st
00:44:58
Speaker
Yes, I know what you're talking about now. And it's absolutely fantastic but there's like one mission where you return to Kamino and I know why they did it like in the game I'm assuming it's because they had the resources and they had like the old models and things of the clones from the first game. They rebelled against the Empire or something? Yeah it was like a Kamino rebellion where they created these clones to fight against the Empire but basically by the end of it yeah that ain't happening.
00:45:25
Speaker
They definitely ain't doing that storyline. Because A, because they arrest everyone. Then they move all the clones out and then you're like, oh I wonder what they're gonna do now? And then you hear the, you'll make a fire when ready. And you're like, oh no. Which I know it's a big one to jump into but my god that was devastating.
Destruction of Kamino
00:45:43
Speaker
How did you feel about that? Especially if you're like my generation where we grew up on the prequels.
00:45:50
Speaker
And Kamino is like one of the main planets during the prequel trilogy. It was painful. It sounded like my dog died, but... I think they got the reaction they wanted, I think.
00:46:05
Speaker
But to be honest, the Battlefront 2 version was more messed up. There was even like version where Boba Fett is killing their own brothers and killing the... What was it? There's like a quest in that mission where you play as a Boba Fett and you need to take your father's DNA and destroy it. It's messed up.
00:46:25
Speaker
Like it's such an interesting t- and I don't know, maybe they'll do like an equivalent of it, I feel as if they're gearing up towards that for like the next seasons but yeah, they just like, I don't know, they just destroy Camino and you're like, again it's another Simpsons reference but I don't know if you've seen that one as well where it's like Homer running after this pig that's like flying through the air and it's going through all this sludge and things and he's constantly telling himself
00:46:53
Speaker
It's still
00:47:09
Speaker
Yep, that one's down. Okay, the whole city has been submerged in water. If it were like other cities were submerged as well. Yeah, wink. Because that's what people in the comments were saying. Oh, there could be other cities and it's like, yeah, the empire don't mess around.
00:47:25
Speaker
I'm pretty sure it was a global tour. I think Backstreet Boys but with more destruction. Just coming round and blowing up every city. I loved that episode where they're all forced to return to Kamino because Hunter gets captured.
00:47:42
Speaker
I have done that. I've got mix feeling sorry before we kind of like talk about the finale and everything. Shouldn't we like quickly run through because we run through the main characters and we should like quickly talk about the cameos and then talk about the finale. Oh yeah go for it. I mean let's start from the beginning to the end right so the first big cameo that was I think the deserter. What's his name again?
00:48:04
Speaker
I just know him as a deserter, you know, but from the amazing episode in the Clone Wars, he came back. He was like, I think it was like the first cameo back. Then, uh, Grand Moff Tarkin. Oh yeah, that was great. Okay. But then one of the huge ones, and I want to know what you think. Get Bane.
00:48:20
Speaker
I have to admit I did get chills at that scene. I did not expect him to be. I didn't know who it was but I heard the voice and I was like, no way. And it's like, I know how to kill clones. And I'm like, yes. And they came back and yeah, fantastic.
00:48:36
Speaker
Let me just tell you a quick story, right? So I got these beautiful memories from the bad batch was because see when it was on on Disney Plus every week, I used to work as a bouncer in the pub and I love the job. I very loved it. But every time I was looking forward to come home, I was always arriving home at midnight because it was during quarantine. So the pubs can be open till 5am or 2am. Yeah. So I arrived home at midnight and I just, you know, watch the bad batch.
00:49:03
Speaker
So it was every time, you know? And I was watching this episode and I was falling asleep because I was tired from the bouncing, you know? I think I had like two fights that day. So I was like falling asleep and still trying to be awake up because I was into the episode, you know? So then I was falling out, I was like closing my eyes, I couldn't help myself. And I hear the voice and I opened it! And I sit down, I was like...
00:49:24
Speaker
Noooooo! And then woke me up and you see Ken Bane walking slowly and shooting Hunter, you know. He actually won the gunfight. I was like, what the hell? And then after that, there was like the Republic Commando Easter egg, you know, when you see the helmet from the inside. Yeah, that was cool. Best cameo. Oh, we forgot the Mandalorian character. What's her name again? The Bontu Hunter. Is it Fennec Shahn or Shahn? Yes, Fennec Shahn. Yeah. What do you thought about her?
00:49:55
Speaker
I don't know. I'm not pro or kind of against it. It is good. It's going back to what you were saying. It is kind of good that they're bringing her in. And I suppose it kind of ties the Mandalorian to the Bad Batch in a way. That that's the reason why she's kind of on the run from the Empire. So I thought it was alright. I thought it was serviceable. I saw her, you know, her helmet and everything. I was like, oh, okay. Another cameo. Yay. But she wasn't that bad, I don't think.
00:50:24
Speaker
I thought when she appeared in Mandalorian, I thought that she used to work for the Empire. Like I think they mentioned like she was like the Empire sharpshooter or something, like the Empire assassin. So I didn't, they never tell she was like a bounty hunter. So I don't know what happened there. No idea. Maybe there'll be like an explosion in season two. Probably. Yeah.
00:50:46
Speaker
probably. So really for cameos though just trying to thank anyone's we haven't mentioned. And there was Hera then Hera Syndulla from the rebels they made like whole episodes about her yeah it wasn't bad I kind of like it I like again like you said the empire becoming evil and you know uh conquering planets and Rylof you know was like
00:51:06
Speaker
It was like this beautiful moment when they realised the clones, they went there to save Ryloth and now they are enslaving it. Yeah, that was cool. I feel bad for Ryloth because it does get the short end of the stick in all of the conflicts. You think, oh yeah, they're free from Neweler Separatists and it's like, oh, wait a minute. This isn't going this far. It's like the equivalent of it was good until it wasn't. Exactly. Yeah, they're constantly getting shafted. You think, yeah, this is...
00:51:36
Speaker
And then probably after that he was first order hooking them. Yeah, probably. I bet you, yeah, someone's written in that's like, yeah, you know, the new republic, the new republic liberated them and then all of a sudden the new order came in and it's like, I'm sorry, the first order and it's like, oh no. I came into the court and I love to say this and be like, I have enough of this bullshit. I'm moving out.
00:52:00
Speaker
That's it, I'm moving to Coruscant! For people who don't get the joke, it's the same. Yeah, I think that's right. Other than the Kaminoans, there's the Kaminoans there from the, I would say it's the same ones from Attack of the Cones, but let's face it, nobody sat up in their seat and went, oh it's the two!
00:52:26
Speaker
It's the two Kaminoans from Attack! I did! I did! I was like, oh my god, it's Llamasu! And it's time! Oh my god, I know them from Lego Star Wars! Exactly. No one's referencing probably the, in fact no, I'm not even gonna go there and say whether or not it is the worst Star Wars film. I don't know. It wasn't me. Tell where, right?
00:52:45
Speaker
Something like that, yeah. Did I say Gregory? Oh, there's Gregory as well, yeah, yeah. I don't think you did, but yeah, there's Gregory as well, who's the clone commander. Oh, I mean the Kaminoans. Oh, the Kaminoans. How wet was the name? Yeah, how wet, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm smart, what can I say? I'm just like, I'm just a starboard nerd. No argument here. Yeah, then it was like Gregor, yeah. Gregor, yeah. I'm just trying to think.
00:53:11
Speaker
Come on. You can think of one big cameo who was in the same episode as Gregor. Oh, you mean the Republic Commando, Scorch. Scorch, Scorch. I have a surprise because I genuinely thought, is that the same character? Is the same model as for the Clone Wars? You know, when he appeared there as well for a few seconds. I will say, although I do like that episode, the one thing I really hated was the fact that the Clone Commandos went out like chumps on that one.
00:53:39
Speaker
And that's Scorch. Well, Scorch, he did hold his own, but he still got stunned and... He didn't die, at least. Thank God they didn't kill him off. He takes three or two or three stuns to the back and he's like, oh, it's still going. And it's like, oh Jesus. What a badass. Yeah, it's like I've seen them rocky, where it's like, throw in the towel! Just stay down! It makes your boss be like, oh no!
00:54:05
Speaker
Oh no, why? Why would you do this to yourself, Scourge? Yeah, no ace of eyes, which is good. Yo, Zef! I did it for you!
00:54:16
Speaker
I would love that if they did that. But then of course I think that is like all the cameos really which I know they're definitely gonna include more cameos I think in season two. Are Vader wasn't it not? I don't think it was. No I don't think it was. Well Vader did you say? Yeah yeah. No I don't think he was.
00:54:36
Speaker
No, I don't think he's been in a year, but I wouldn't be surprised if they bring him in. Or if they... I just can't remember if he was. If he was, then he didn't leave much of an impact, for sure. But if he was just a bad bat, she'd be looking at him going, ah, shit. He was just in the background, just getting lost, like, oh my god, they just built this new hole. Oh my god. Oh, sorry, Lucas. Sorry. I walk in the wrong show.
00:55:01
Speaker
And speaking of, I want to see confused Vader so much. You always seem like intimidating, you know, and you're like being a badass. I want to see Vader being like confused or, you know, just not being in his head, you know. Have you ever seen, what was that called? You know the Star Wars show that was canceled? It was like Star Wars.
00:55:23
Speaker
Yo dudes, the Empire is pretty chill. You should join it or something. I bet you in the butter. That's probably in the cutting room floor.
00:55:39
Speaker
I want to see like a live-action confused Vader so much.
Humorous Star Wars Scenarios
00:55:43
Speaker
It's just like a... Like, imagine like the meme, you know, how's the the the Pulp Fiction, you know, the character. Oh, yes. Yeah, how he's like confused. I want to see Vader do that. He'll be like walking on the horse of death. I'd be like, oh, shit. Should I go this way or should I go that way? Oh, oh, no. Yeah. Robot chicken. It doesn't robot chicken, did you say? Yeah. Have you seen robot chicken?
00:56:04
Speaker
yeah oh yeah it always makes me laugh uh when jojo comes back you know and like to that video it's like oh jojo oh he was to kill me he dropped it into like a like a pot and he's like this line always makes me laugh i don't know why he's like jojo my homie go escape plot before the separate attack it's the way how you said my homie you know
00:56:28
Speaker
That's what I want to see. Ridiculous job either. Life action as well. Oh yes, absolutely. Shall we move on to the finale then? Yes. See overall, we've talked about the fall of Kamino and how it got absolutely Robocop'd, but what were your thoughts of part 1 and 2? Let's lump it together. What were your thoughts overall? I'm gonna admit, the part 2 was kind of disappointing because nothing happened in there.
00:56:53
Speaker
Yeah, I'd agree with that. But maybe it was because I was maybe I was infected by Marvel mania, how to call it, because they always had like the finale of every Marvel show. It had to be like this big CGI fight. They could do more not just wander around destroyed Camino, you know? Yeah, I feel is that
00:57:11
Speaker
the episodes were almost out of order. The stakes were raised so high in the last episode. You had Hunter captured by the Empire, you had Crosshair betraying his own squad mates, except for the one who somehow survived. I can't remember how she survived. Oh no, she was out of the room. That was why.
00:57:31
Speaker
That's the only reason she survived. She was like, yeah, I was out of the room at the time, punching. Yeah, he was out of punching, or trying to punch Omega, who was like rocking. Yes, punching children! Yeah, who for some reason was like rocking the space bow and arrow thing, which, yeah, that's another thing entirely. Yeah, I totally agree with you. It begins so strong, you think. Oh no, now Camino, this symbol of
00:57:59
Speaker
you know, the prequel trilogy. A symbol especially of the Clone Wars, because you spend a lot of time in Kamino, like with the clones and them considering it as a home. There's a whole episode, or rather a couple of episodes, dedicated to like a Separatist invasion of Kamino.
00:58:17
Speaker
And they try to like fend them off and they treat it as their own. That is a great episode, I would recommend anyone who hasn't seen it watch it, seriously. Yeah, then they just blow it up and it's like, oh my god. And they do treat it with the right kind of reverence, you know? They have like slow shots of the empty halls and everything and it's kind of like bookmarking this period of Star Wars, you know? It's like the Clone Wars are finally over. We're starting fresh. It's not you, it's me.
00:58:47
Speaker
like it's burned down Camino, you know, it's like we what? Yo dude, yo dude. I guess they just bomb it. And it is. The build up to that as well was so cool because it's talking to, I don't know, Admiral Evil. There's always like a dumb name that they've got. Like in Rebels there was a guy literally called Agent Callous and it was like, really? Did your mother call you that? Was your brother Bad Man, you know, unavailable?
00:59:13
Speaker
Sergeant Grim, you know, like, what are these names? But anyway, sorry, that aside, I mean, they had General Grievous. I know they had General Grievous, but come on, he had the skills. Yeah, oh Jesus, aha, that was on the nose a bit.
00:59:35
Speaker
He had like dumb names like that, like I think that is a thing in Star Wars but yeah whoever the Admiral was he gets the you know the all go ahead and I have to admit I thought there was going to be a bit more hesitation from the clones but the clones are like well on the one hand this is my home but on the other hand I do get paid by these guys so oop
00:59:53
Speaker
there we go and then yeah they blow up Camino which is absolutely a fantastic sequence and then yeah the second half is them just trying to escape Camino and it's like yeah I mean they do spoilers they do oh shocking yeah and they all go they're set well not all but it is weird because they end up I think this is what annoys me about the finale the most they all end up in the same place they did at the end of episode one
01:00:19
Speaker
Where it's like the rest of the Bad Batch go away in their ship, but Crosshair just stands there and waits. Do you think he was there till this day? I mean, there wasn't no ship around. I think he just stands there alone till this day, you know, watching like the ocean. Yeah, I'm kind of hoping someone came back for him because that would be very awkward to learn that the Empire don't care about you.
01:00:43
Speaker
I think they made a sequel to it. It's called Subnautica. For people who didn't get the reference, it's a video game where you play alone and it's water worked. It's a pretty cool game, especially if you're afraid of oceans as I am.
01:01:01
Speaker
I was actually gonna say, did they not make like a sequel film to this called Water Wurrut? Where it's just instead of the main character and that, it's just crosshair like... Yes, I'm just gonna say all this. I was gonna say... No, no, no. They made a different sequel. It's called Finding Crosshair. Jesus. Finding Purpose. It's just... No, that's the movie with Echo.
01:01:24
Speaker
Oh, of course, yeah, he's still finding that. Spoilers, by the way, he does not get any more useful in this. Which is a shame, but that's the way the Disney cookie crumbles, I suppose.
01:01:40
Speaker
See, there's this moment I very, very enjoyed in this same episode. It was like, I'm not gonna lie, I tear it up. It was beautiful. I just love when some moments are very deserved, you know? It was the moment when after Crosshair killed his own mates, you know? And it's like, wants to like, make the bad best to join him, you know?
01:01:57
Speaker
And then the droids came in, you know, and they had to join forces, and their theme starts playing. First, it's like the bad batch, like, uh, without crosshair, you know, fighting. And then we get this moment where Crosshair joined them, and they, like, nothing would never happen, like, go together and work together as a team. And their theme plays in the background, you know, the famous, you know, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
01:02:20
Speaker
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01:02:45
Speaker
Honestly, see if this was set in medieval tech. You know in medieval shows where you get a sword and it's named after what they've killed, like Dragon's Bane or something like that. His would literally be like, I don't know, War Crime or Granny Slayer.
01:03:05
Speaker
He just kills so many of these like some sexual predator or something. He just kills people for no reason. Then you're like, oh my god. Oh yeah, good soldiers follow orders. Also, good soldiers fucking think. Come on crosshair. You just remind me, did you know that Samuel L. Jackson, when they shoot Attack of the Clones, on his lightsaber he had written Bad Motherfucker.
01:03:29
Speaker
Oh yeah. That is awesome. Yeah, I know. It's so cool. It sounds like something he would do, but it's... Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. I mean, I'll just excellently... But speaking of awesome things, just to kind of summarise, like, what are your final thoughts, really, about The Bad Batch? Like, what did you think about this season? What do you hope for in the future with it?
01:03:50
Speaker
I really enjoyed the series. I really, I did. I love Clone Wars. We didn't even mention how the animation looks so good. Oh yeah, absolutely. It looks so fantastic. See Craig, he always complains about that he doesn't want to watch Clone Wars because it's like CGI and he had some issues with it, you know.
01:04:09
Speaker
Watch it. It's so cinematic. You look so brilliant It's so beautiful to watch it as well and it's so pleasant to watch it as well very enjoy But to be honest, I want to see more darkness. I want to see cross are killing more children killing her more grand grand
01:04:25
Speaker
I want to say grandchildren. Oh Jesus. He's looking for the promotion. I think that's it. He's just like, I'm gonna fill the quota somehow with these crimes against humanity. Or sorry, crimes against the galaxy. It's like, jeez, crosshair, tone it down a little bit. I want to see more cameos as well, but not the obvious ones, you know? Like can we throw in like Fron or like the Delta Squad, you know? Like some surprise, not like the obvious ones like, I don't know, like... Ahsoka. Yeah.
01:04:54
Speaker
Yeah, I would actually love to see her. Oh no, she'd be great, but you know it's gonna be like someone like that, but they're gonna include her. I think they might include Leia maybe, I don't know. I don't know if she's too young, but yeah, sorry. That's why Cadbein was such a surprise, because you don't expect it, because he meant to be dead. Exactly. Yeah, because there was like this underused episode when he actually died, but Buffett killed him when he was a child. So that's why it was like shocking to see Cadbein, I want to see something like this, you know?
01:05:20
Speaker
like fan favorite characters that you wouldn't expect to show up and by the way Leia is a baby at this time oh is she right okay she can appear as a baby i don't know probably i mean i wouldn't be surprised if you know bail organa comes with the baby and he's like hey look at my baby
01:05:37
Speaker
My baby, Leo. It's actually the most important character in Star Wars history, but there's a cute baby now. Okay, I'm calling it. And take B, like, actually, it's not actually your baby, you actually adopted it. Shut up, Tech.
01:05:52
Speaker
I'm calling it now, there's gonna be an episode similar to that, I bet you anything. There'll be an episode where a baby or some force-sensitive child gets kidnapped and they have to go and rescue it halfway across the galaxy. I'm calling it now, there's definitely gonna be like a three men and a baby, only it's what? Four men and a clone.
01:06:10
Speaker
I've tried four clones and whatever Omega is. Oh no, four clones and an Omega. Yeah. Omega. Omega. Another thing I want to see in the next seasons is confused Vader. Come on. Give me a shot how Vader is waiting for a line, for a fast food or something, waiting for his order. I want to see Vader doing ordinary things we do every day, like park a car.
01:06:36
Speaker
or you know like ordinary things that people do every day i want to see that i really want to see that make episode how dad vader is going shopping go to the morrisons or something you know and you see later like
01:06:54
Speaker
Picking the best banana, you know? It's like choosing if he wants a normal yogurt or a fat free yogurt, you know? And be like, I don't know, I want diet right now. That's what I want to see. Do you know what I'm more interested in seeing now rather than season two of the Bad Batch? I'm more interested in seeing all the galactic supermarkets try to get a contract for the Death Star to be like,
01:07:17
Speaker
Yeah, like imagine you're like a diplomat or something, you get carpeted halfway across the galaxy to the Death Star, one of the most devastating weapons of this world history. You go in, there's the theme, there's all the soldiers walking around. You turn the corner and there's Justin Aldi sitting there, just in the corner. And you're like, huh, after this I should really do my shopping.
01:07:41
Speaker
And then you see, then you have a shot of like, in purple, a thing, bike in Primark, you know, or how you, because these people say Primark, uh, buying like a new cape, you know, arguing like, do you have these in bigger sizes, please? Do you have this in navy blue? Fine, I'll have it in black then, you know.
01:08:00
Speaker
That reminds me of the scene where there was a guy who was dressed like Emperor Palpatine, he went to the supermarket and he opened the door, you know? Like it was the automatic door, but he used the force. And he's like, still got it. I want to see these serious characters do ordinary things. It must be funny.
01:08:19
Speaker
I'm saying that as if, oh, you know, it couldn't happen. But I remember, like this is completely random, but I remember seeing this video recommended to me on YouTube and it was like talking about American destroyer ships and how they've got Starbucks on them.
01:08:37
Speaker
And some of them, so I'm like, you know what? It's not that far fetched. When am I going to get, like, Bill, a Starbucks story or something like that? You know, just a guy who works on a day of surgery and retail or something.
01:08:54
Speaker
That would be cool. I want to do like an office style, right? Like office style series in a dead star. But that would be awesome. And we like make episodes about that video buying a new Nintendo Switch, you know, and being like, oh, excited. Like, oh my God, can I wait to play Legend of Zelda?
01:09:10
Speaker
What do you mean Rifting's part of the fun? This Joy-Con's been broken for 10 years! I want to see like Imperpa Button be like, let me talk to your manager. Aww, fantastic. I love how we've just gone in this tangent. The Bad Batch is great but I love how we've gone off in this tangent. It's good, but do you know what's better? Jarvee just shopping like, come on. Yeah, come on. Let's get that Disney. You have the money. Don't be killers. Come on.
01:09:36
Speaker
I want the actors, actual actors playing, I want Hayden Christensen being in Dalvator's suit. I want Ian McKellan, no not Ian McKellan, what's the name? Ian McGregor. Yeah, yeah, I want Ian McGregor going to the shop, going to the barber shop. He'll be like, oh can I have a mullet please? I bet you have the Lego one though, we'll go down that line. No, I want like action, I want to see Ian McGregor as an old man, I can't have it. Be like, can I have a mullet please? Can you make this hair shorter?
01:10:04
Speaker
Well, on that note, yeah, that is probably going to be next week's episode when we talk about Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yeah, no, I totally agree. Like, looking back very briefly onto the matter, I do agree. Like, there has to be, like...
Review of 'The Bad Batch' Series
01:10:19
Speaker
I actually don't know what I want from this series. I feel as if it has very sharp ups and downs. The start of the series for me personally was great. Then it really dipped when it was all the side character stuff. Ryloth was pretty cool. Well, that stuff was cool. Then it dipped again until we got to the Imperial Outpost planet and then Kamino again. And then by the finale, it's just kind of... it's petered out.
After-Credits Scene Discussion
01:10:45
Speaker
And I hope that
01:10:46
Speaker
Because there is like an after credits scene where all these commandos, how do they got so many commandos I don't know but they got all these commandos waiting for the Kaminoans who come in and they've been like arrested and everything and they're gonna work in a secret project and that's when it fades to black so it'll be interesting to see what that's all about. I'm curious,
Epic Battle Speculation
01:11:07
Speaker
I wouldn't say like I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for it to return like in a way like I'm curious to see what happens next but I can totally go.
01:11:15
Speaker
Yeah, doing what they should like all seriousness, right? It should do like a huge battle between clones and the Empire. I want to see like victory cruisers, the Republic ones against like, sorry, victory. I'm talking nonsense. The Oh, I forgot the name of those. I know exactly the one you're talking about. Yeah. Versus the Star Destroyers.
01:11:35
Speaker
No, those Republic ones, how they're called? Yeah, Venerators. Venerators! Venerators! I want to see like Republic like Venerators against like the Star Destroyers. Or like, you know, the Star Destroyers class one. Just a huge battle on TIE fighters against like those, you know, those fighters that the Republic has. A-Wings is it? Ah, sure. Yeah, like they've got
Stormtroopers at Primark
01:11:56
Speaker
A-Wings, they've got the prototype X-Wings, things like that, yeah.
01:12:00
Speaker
Yeah, I just want to see the clones die in a big glory, you know, like in a huge battle. And after that, I want to see a stone trooper celebrating by going to Primark and try new helmets, you know, be like, oh, this one's got better. Oh, this one's actually a little bigger, you know. What's wrong with the scene? That is amazing. And see on that note. Yeah.
01:12:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's what we expect, doesn't it? We expect a sponsorship with Primark. Let's face it, the Mad Batch stuff is all going to be on. It's going to be in the store anyway. So you might as well cash in on it. Let's make a commercial right now. If you want to be cool like Belbetch, go to Primark. They've got the newest clothes from whatever. I don't know. I don't
Upcoming Guests and Scheduling
01:12:45
Speaker
know, from Coruscant clothes. Coruscant clothes.
01:12:49
Speaker
For when you want that smokey smell on your clothes. Go to Corus on Clothes. But you don't want to look like a nerf header. Oh I like that, I like that. You'll probably see my contact details, get in touch. We'll sort out the rest don't you worry.
01:13:07
Speaker
Yeah, on that note, Jan, thank you so much for joining me on this, by much discussion. And before we wrap up, where can these lovely listeners sitting at home find your content? It's going to be difficult now because we are both me and Craig. We are very, very, very, very busy in our personal life. We are planning to come back. We are planning a big guest, not like any guest, like famous guests. Like me.
01:13:30
Speaker
Yes. Sorry, of course. We are in talks with this famous wrestler from UK who might join on the podcast. Also, we got this big comedian, also having interview with him on our podcast, and also we're gonna have a new host who's gonna help us, who's also a famous wrestler. Man, all my pals, even Craig, are now famous, and I'm the only one who didn't make their debut on TV. Everyone's so busy being on TV. I'm just the guy who has to work.
01:14:00
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Either way,
Beer and Chill Podcast Promotion
01:14:01
Speaker
you can find us on the Beer and Chill podcast. You can listen to the older episodes. We did like this great series where we just talk, you know, go back to nostalgia. There's this series where we go through all Assassin's Creed games, you know. I'm very proud of that series as well. There's something for everyone in our podcast. We are funny, we are handsome, but you can see us, so bad for you. And yeah, that's it. Beer and Chill podcast on Spotify.
01:14:28
Speaker
You know what, it's actually everywhere. It's the same as this podcast, it's on Anchor, Spotify. Really all good podcast apps, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. And I've said this before, if either Chat Tsunami or Beering Chill Pod don't pop up, just delete your podcast app. Get a better one. I'm only half kidding.
01:14:48
Speaker
And for people who know us, we cannot come back. We just don't know when. It's difficult in our personal lives. Like I said, everyone is too busy, even me. So, yeah, hopefully we got to come back soon. And definitely we'll check out B&T's past content. It is fantastic. I know. I made it. I edited it. Exactly. From one editor to another, trust me, I know the struggles you must go through.
01:15:13
Speaker
editing these episodes. Those nights. Oh, it can be rough sometimes.
01:15:21
Speaker
But genuinely, no, it's always a blast being on. Whenever you invite me on to be in the show, it's always been a blast. And honestly, thank you so much. It's been a blast as well.
Classic Star Wars and Radio Voices
01:15:30
Speaker
Well, thank you for having me here. And finally, talking about Star Wars, I'm trying to get into your podcast for so long. Exactly. You're talking about Star Wars, and I'm finally here. We need to do it again. Absolutely. Star Wars Visions is coming out, so hey, let's chat about that. Oh, definitely. Yeah, that'll probably be the next one we'd work on.
01:15:52
Speaker
And I'm gonna have to talk for hours, I'm gonna swear, I'm gonna do everything you don't like so you can you can edit it you know and have fun editing it and can just think of me when you can edit it. We're gonna have two versions of it. We're gonna have the you know family friendly Christian clean one and then we're gonna have Jans R rated version.
01:16:11
Speaker
or 18 plus, you know? It's like the Snyder Cut. The Snyder Cut of podcast episodes. It's all going to be in black and white but because it's audio based you wouldn't be able to tell.
01:16:24
Speaker
just sound is black and white i can't tell you do you know what it needs before i quickly wrap up do you know what it actually needs you know you get in um like the very old stereotypical western films where it's like all grainy and you get like the piano
01:16:44
Speaker
yeah just in the background just like yeah just that cut yeah it'll be fantastic right i do agree maybe we should talk like in the old movies like the war movies you know like even like after the inner clone wars you know in today's episode we're gonna talk about the bird birch
01:16:59
Speaker
You know what, I can't do it, I can't do the voice. Can you do the 40s voice? Just trying to think of something to say. Like Converse, we did it like the... Oh, at the beginning,
Blending Star Wars with Literature
01:17:08
Speaker
like, tragedy in this podcast episode. Today we... That was so good! That was so good! I closed my eyes for a second and I imagined like the voice actor who did it for Converse. Do it again! Oh god, no, nothing.
01:17:21
Speaker
I understand. I know what they're going for after, but it's just like, primacy, on the last episode of The Bad Bitch. And you hear the typewriter and everything. Meanwhile. I'm so sad you can't see my reaction just now. It's like, at the end of this episode, buy your Chetsunami Pit war bonds. Support the fight. It's like, no, don't. For legal reasons, that's a joke. Support the fight. Support the fight.
01:17:48
Speaker
support us on hanker, spotify, youtube, and all good podcast distributors be like crosshair, support the fight, slap some children, and kill some grannies join the empire, it's pretty cool join the empire, it's pretty cool, wouldn't you say? wouldn't you say little timmy?
01:18:10
Speaker
It's like, I want to go home. I want to go home. I want to go home, Mr Crosshair. And you just hear the gun cocking in the background. It's like, oh, no. Anyway, that. Little Timmy, didn't make it home. Yeah, you thought it was like a disease and you thought it was a disease in Christmas Carol that took out Tiny Tim. No, no, it was Crosshair. And
Conclusion and Future Anticipation
01:18:36
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on that note,
01:18:40
Speaker
And on that very disturbing note, thank you all so, so much for listening to this episode. Thank you again, Jan, for joining me. And as always, stay safe, stay awesome, stay hydrated and most importantly, I was about to say may the force be with you, but with the bad batch, we'll see. For season two, we'll see. Bye guys.