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The Real Truth About Doc Rivers and Hardens Relationship
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Transcript
Show Introduction and Casual Banter
00:00:21
Speaker
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, as you will notice, I am not JT, because he is not here yet. This is Kyle and... JT's on special assignment and he's bringing something. Yo, literally, even though I already got the pizza, but you know, that's besides the point. What's good, bro?
00:00:45
Speaker
Man, it's Friday. You got Wu Tang on your shirt. You might know this, yeah. Yeah, we having fun. But we should talk about some important things. I can't imagine what would be so important to
Denver Nuggets' Historic Championship Win
00:00:59
Speaker
talk about. Denver won their first championship. Peace to the God. Listen, I never thought I'd see it before I saw a Knicks championship. Here we are. They did it right. Yo, I like watching them play.
00:01:16
Speaker
They're the new San Antonio Spurs. Yeah, you can't do nothing with that. Joke is the Duncan. Parker is Jamal Murray. Porter can be Genobili. That's weird. We don't even have to do all that. I just...
00:01:38
Speaker
Like the ball gets brought up, you throw it in, Jokish, he has it, you step up to him, he throws it somewhere. If it's not open, the ball keeps going around the wheel until it gets to somebody who can shoot. Or you give it to Jokish and he bullies you all the way down and scores inside with great
Comparing Jokic to NBA Legends
00:01:56
Speaker
leads. And plays like a point guard, plays like a shooting guard, plays like a center and a power forward. Yo, they're giving him seven, eight, nine dribbles.
00:02:06
Speaker
Why? Because if you step up to him, he gonna pass it somewhere. You can't double team him, yeah. He said when he was a kid, he watched three players. He watched Jordan, he watched Magic, and he watched Shaq.
NBA Teams Without Championships: A Debate
00:02:25
Speaker
There you go. He took all their pieces and that's what he became as a self. That's what's up. So, here's a little thing that's gonna make you mad. There's 10 NBA teams who have not won a championship. Do you know the 10? We're involved in this?
00:02:49
Speaker
What? We got two championships. I was about to say, like, I thought it might be like the NFL, like the... Nah. The NFL era. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Going there with the ABA and the new... Believe it or not, some of these teams probably were in the ABA. I'll tell you, one was.
00:03:09
Speaker
The Bobcats didn't make it either. AKA the Hornet. Yeah, so there's your one, okay. The Hornet, yeah. Timber Wolves. Yeah, two. Yeah, they did not win. Yeah. You know I started this, Memphis.
00:03:26
Speaker
Uh, correct. Vancouver. Yeah. They did not win. Yeah. Supersonics. They're dead, but actually, no, they won one. When the hell did they win? When Jesus was on this earth. Thank you. 1971. Uh, no, we're going to take this ride. Let's see. Like, Washington. Washington didn't win anything. Uh, they actually have.
00:03:55
Speaker
Portland. I know that. Yeah, I know that too. I knew that. I knew that. I'm just throwing stuff out there. Utah. Yeah, four. They tried it. They got knocked out two times.
NBA Trades Overview
00:04:10
Speaker
You got six more. I'm trying to go to the East Coast real quick. The East.
00:04:23
Speaker
I'll give you a hint. There is, there is. Like the Nets didn't win. Correct, five. They went and got beat up by the Lakers. Not once, but twice. You can't even be mad about that. They killed the Sixers too. Yeah. You got, you got five. You got two more in the East. Two more in the East.
00:04:50
Speaker
Can't even say Cleveland. Brian helped that out. Can't say Miami. Orlando. Correct. They tried it too and messed up the foul shots.
Bradley Beal Trade Analysis
00:05:03
Speaker
Thank you, Nick Anderson. He's going to sue.
00:05:07
Speaker
He's gonna sue, yo. He had a problem with that. It, like, messed up his life, didn't it? There's a story about him, too, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's up north, I'm trying to think. I'll give you a hint. I shouldn't have to give you a hint. But the Knicks hate this team. What? I would've said, like, when you say that, I'm thinking, like, Boston. And then, or I would say Miami, but that ain't right.
00:05:36
Speaker
Do you want me to give you the rest? In the interest of time, sure. Indiana Pacers, Clippers, Pelicans, Phoenix Sun. Phoenix, damn. Remember Barkley, he lost to Jordan. And recently that lost to the Bucks.
00:06:03
Speaker
Yeah, which goes into our first topic. Well, actually, you know, our first rumor and news. Mr. Bradley Bill. He goes with Power Forward Center, Isaiah Todd, Guard, Jordan Goodwin, To The Sons for Landry, Landry Sherman, CP3, and Cash, and a lot of picks.
00:06:33
Speaker
They get the 2024 swap, first round, 2026 swap, 2028 first round swap, 2023 first round swap. So meaning if Phoenix's pick is better than the Wizards, then they get to swap it. But they get these picks automatically in the second round, 2024, 25, 26, 27, 28 and 30.
00:07:05
Speaker
all to get Bradley Bill. Who also gets hurt?
00:07:13
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it sounds cool if we were playing NBA Jam or NBA Street, you know what I'm saying? But like how many of them people are going to be there? First of all, they don't have a starting point guard. And their backup emergency, they have Cameron Payne, who's really a backup. But the emergency point guard, that rumor says that's going to be the point guard, starting point guard.
00:07:36
Speaker
It's going to be Booker. Rajan Rondo. They should actually go call him and actually say, yo, can you start? You know who's still out there? Little short dude. He goes by the name Isaiah Thomas. The NBA said no. He's just not coming back. I feel for him. Yeah, what did he do to the hip? He had to get hip surgery.
00:08:02
Speaker
And that was just the end. Yeah. And he was on a contract. He was due to get a major contract. And that hit messed him up. Grimey. On another news update, Michael Jordan sold his majority shares to these two people. He's still a minority share owner, but he's not going to be that guy. Yeah. But he sold it for over $2 billion, which I'm happy for.
00:08:31
Speaker
Another trade that happened, which I wasn't the biggest fan, it was a three-team trade. Boston, Washington, and Memphis. In the three-team trade, Chris starts presenting his picked up as $36 million option, which got shipped to the Celtics.
00:08:47
Speaker
Guard Market Smart got traded to the Grizzlies. Tyus Jones from Memphis got shipped to the Wizards. And Memphis also sent Boston their 2023 first round pick and also protected Golden State.
00:09:08
Speaker
24 first round pick. The Celtics, they also set the 35th pick of this past draft, and they sent Danila Garner and Mike Mascalla to Washington in part of that deal.
Chris Paul Trade to Warriors
00:09:22
Speaker
Boring trades, but also I'm glad Tyus just screwed over, kind of. He has to sit behind Chris Paul until he gets hurt. You forgot. That's the next trade. You forgot what happened to Mr. CP3?
00:09:38
Speaker
Isn't that where he went? Let's go to the next trade. CP3 got traded. To Golden State. I forgot what's Golden State where he went. Yeah, he got traded to Golden State for Jordan Poole. And a first round protected pick.
00:10:02
Speaker
which is in 2027 and also a second round pick in 2030. So CP3 now plays for the Golden State Warriors. I mean, I don't want to say it's boring. It'll be fun until a novelty wears off. You know what I'm saying? I don't see what the...
00:10:27
Speaker
Do you think, and like I was talking to one of my good people, shout out to Lou. And I was speaking to Sam too. Do you think now they're gonna transition Curry from not playing point guard to playing the Reggie Miller type and having CP3, the point guard and literally just running around like Reggie. And now he doesn't have to worry about running an offense because CP3 could do that. He just gets to shoot wherever he feels like.
00:10:57
Speaker
Or do you think CP3's gonna come off the bench? I mean, I don't know. I mean, he's replacing Jordan Poole. You know, Draymond knocked him out. Yeah. He hit the wall and everything, bro. Boused off the wall. R.I.P. his jaw and all that, but... Now, you know what really got him sent? That stupid ice spice thing. Ice spice 500?
Social Media and NBA Gossip
00:11:24
Speaker
idiot 500 just to see ice spice twerk for him at some date Jesus Christ
00:11:36
Speaker
Let's talk about this very important news. Shout out to Twitter for taking down Mariah Mills' Twitter page. Yeah, stop that. Please stop that. She tagged the NBA. She tagged the Pelicans that she was going to expose her and Zion Williams' sex tape. Which is illegal, dummy. She would've caught a case. If Zion had the proper lawyers, because he would... First of all, it took him that long to finally tell people like, yo,
00:12:06
Speaker
I don't know that it took him that long, but like, I'm looking at Twitter, like Twitter could've shut that down two days in. Oh, they were enjoying that. Yeah, but I mean like, why stop now? She was bugging two days in. And then just today, got a tattoo. A tattoo of that, listen, I think really what we need to be focused on is Zion's safety.
00:12:28
Speaker
He better be hiring more bodyguards. She's definitely a voodoo doll of this guy. She said that. Wait, really? I was joking. She was posting some voodoo stuff from time to time. What did he get himself into? He loved Dallas. That's where they met up.
00:12:49
Speaker
Nah, that's crazy. That's real crazy. That tattoo is really on her face. For the rest of her life. That scares me. I told you she was scaring me last week. The first tweet made me was like Steve McNair all over again. Shout out, rest in peace, Steve McNair. Steve Aaron McNair. Yeah, that scared me because she just gave me that same vibe.
00:13:17
Speaker
Nah, son. It took them forever to get her out of there. I don't like it. You think they would have waited that long if it was a dude doing that to like a WNBA player? What? He would have been in jail. Yeah. That day, the first tweet. You know what? I got plenty of texts. I got pictures.
00:13:43
Speaker
Game over, as soon as they said I got the pictures. Just saying it. He would have been out of there. And you forget. Well, no, you forget. She posted the pictures that she was sending him. Now, if that was the other way around, he would have been. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gone. He's gone. Two more things in the news. We're going to talk about the Knicks. It just came out literally the day before the draft. You know, Obie got in the face of Tibbs. Yeah, I'm sure he did.
00:14:13
Speaker
Of all people, Randall had to help him. Josh Hart, Fournier had to pull him off. But what's funny about that is, I mean, I was mad watching Toppin play, too. Yeah, but here's my issue with that. Toppin, he averages 14 minutes a game. There is no consistency. There's no time for his rhythm. Granted, he's not a three-point shooter. Yeah, what the hell is he doing out here?
00:14:41
Speaker
They told him he had to expand his jumper so he could be out there. But again, he's known to be a dunker. That's a stupid idea. A 10, 15 shot jump shot person, but you want him to shoot more threes.
New York Knicks' Internal Tensions
00:14:56
Speaker
I don't understand this. Here I understand. Why are you getting players who don't play a certain way and then trying to make them play something that they don't play? Fun fact. So not fun fact, but sometimes when it comes to the draft,
00:15:10
Speaker
Unless you're like Tai Lu, unless you're like Doc, and even that's to a point, unless you're like Steve Kerr, you tend, the GM tends to make the selection of that player. So let's just say, I'll use Kevin Knox. When we drafted Kevin Knox, there were some people that wanted us to get Porter. There were some people that actually wanted us to get Miles Bridges.
00:15:39
Speaker
I remember MPJ. Yeah, but it was Steve Mills' call on that pic. But they don't...
00:15:50
Speaker
They consult the coach at all. They do. And sometimes the coach say, he doesn't work for my system. But coaches would be like, yo. I mean, GMs would be like, yo, this is the player that we want, that we know that he's going to be great for. It's goofy. But when the coach gets that player and it doesn't work, what happens? They fire the coach. Then they get a new coach. It's goofy. So it don't make no sense. The dude doesn't shoot.
00:16:20
Speaker
Yeah, he actually needs to be in the gym just practicing. But they just said- You may not get traded. No, I don't think he's getting traded because later that night, because yesterday, shout out to the NBA 23 draft, the Knicks had no draft picks.
00:16:38
Speaker
But- That's awesome, man. But we actually picked up in a two-way- His brother? His brother. And the rumor was, by the way, they said his brother plays just like him. But they said- How does this help? But they said that was to soften the blow with him in tips. So- So they can both get mad at him? Yeah. So he'll get jumped.
00:17:08
Speaker
Steve and A Smith said this, the Knicks should really let Tibbs go after his contract is up. He had to sign a five year deal and that was it. But I do believe that the rumor is, as JT sent me a text message, rumor has it is they're really interested in Ty Lue. Cause Ty Lue. I'm with that, I'm with that. Ty Lue is that coach that he thinks should be that person.
00:17:39
Speaker
And we're a couple moves away from making serious noise, winning a second series, at least, going to a conference championship.
NBA Trades and Team Dynamics
00:17:50
Speaker
We need to trade Randall away before that happens. By the way, he cut his hair. He used to say, new me, new everything. Yeah, all right. Yeah, all right. He'll still be number 30. He's still going to be a problem for a team, not doing well.
00:18:12
Speaker
He just, he, like he implodes at the wrong time. That's like, if he could have been consistent, like he was that whole season where he was running through the NBA. On his contract year? Bro, if he could have been like that, shooting, like shooting, shooting like that, inside and out like that. On his contract year? Ugh. Looking for his contract. I don't care about the contract. That's when he actually did well. It's annoying.
00:18:43
Speaker
I do have a clip with our first topic about Bradley Bill and the whole Suns team. Jabron, if you could be so kind, run that for us please.
00:18:57
Speaker
What about we think of this new big three in Phoenix? It's all right. It's all right. I mean, I'm not sold on it. I'm certainly not Kendrick Perkins. I don't know what the hell he's talking about, the best team in the NBA. I don't want to hear that. No, I'm not. You got to fill out your roster before I'm willing to make that kind of proclamation. But I will say this.
00:19:19
Speaker
Kevin Durant is that dude when healthy, we understand it. We understand how special Kevin, Devin Booker is. I loved seeing him at the one, once CP3 went down as well. A couple of games, he's shooting like 80% from the field, 60% from three-point range in that city against Denver. It was something spectacular to behold. When you look at Bradley Beale, one of the great players to have not ever been in a conference finals. In terms of scoring, I'm speaking specifically about that. It's amazing, JJ, Wendy.
00:19:46
Speaker
There's a lot of people in DC that are happy to see him going. There's a whole bunch of people that are happy to see him go. They didn't think he was a winning player. I don't think the numbers show that personally. We know that he's a scoring machine. We know that he was a league leader in clutch time points. All right, we get all of that from him. We see that. And I know that the brother can put up 25 in his sleep. My issue is, who you going to stop?
00:20:08
Speaker
Is there any defense whatsoever? And the depth, that definitely is a question mark as well. They can score on anybody, there's no doubt about it. But there's a difference between what Kevin Durant was playing with in Golden State, with catch and shoot players, I'm talking about catch and shoot capable players, like Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, their capability and what they bring to the table in that regard. Devin Booker,
Skepticism Around Suns' New Lineup
00:20:29
Speaker
Bradley Beale, yeah, to me they're not shooters, they're scorers who can shoot.
00:20:34
Speaker
Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were shooters. And so when I look at Kevin Durant with a Devin Booker and Bradley Beal, I don't see the same kind of big three and I see the kind of big three that honestly could play into the hands of any team that can score, but also is going to show up and play some defense.
00:20:52
Speaker
Phoenix can score on anybody. We get that. Who you gonna stop? That's why Frank Vogel's the new coach. I get all of that. I'm not saying they're worse. They're clearly better off. I understand it, but I'm not sold to the degree that Kendrick Perkins is sold about this big three. They certainly are not my favorites to come out of the West at this particular moment in time. Yeah, it's a bold proclamation from Kendrick Perkins. The key word there being as currently constructed. They've got five players under contract. It's more likely now that campaigns
00:21:21
Speaker
contract will become fully guaranteed by June 28th and they'll bring him back. You know, I think from a team's perspective, I want to talk about that first. I have a lot of questions and hopefully those will be sort of resolved over the next couple weeks because it is important how they fill out the rest of the roster and which of their free agents they are able to re-sign. Josh Okogi, Tori Craig, Jacque Landell, Bismack Biambo, will they trade DeAndre Ayton and sort of get
00:21:51
Speaker
you know, two or three players back in a deal that can be rotation level players. The depth, as Stephen A pointed to, is a big point. Basketball wise and how Bradley deals fits with this team. I love it. Welcome back. You, what up, what up, what up? Special aside, you did your special aside, so how do you really feel about
00:22:12
Speaker
This whole Bradley Bill team in Phoenix, the lineup, I already told you. Hey yo, me and this man was going back and forth. I gotta reflect on what I said, but overall,
00:22:25
Speaker
I would say this, just think about everything. Ironically, we've seen, you know, me and you've seen Bradley Beale cook like live, multiple times. And he's a dog. When he was healthy. Yeah, when he was healthy. And I think one, like me and you was going back and forth, back and forth with, I just didn't want, I was like, nah, I don't think he should be the point guard. I didn't see him. You were saying... Booker.
00:22:50
Speaker
No, who are you? No, no, no. I got the text messages. No, I said Cameron Payne. It should be the point guard because they said rumor was going to be Booker. Booker shouldn't be the point guard.
00:23:05
Speaker
But at the same point in time, no, he shouldn't. They need a point guard. The only point guard that is available for this is Cameron Payne. Yeah, but I was thinking, when I was saying, I was like, no, they shouldn't do that because they need some bench. You know what I'm saying? You're going to have your best players out there, and then, obviously, they're thinking about getting rid of eating to get role players. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just like, yo, they don't have depth. They lack depth.
00:23:30
Speaker
Like they ain't, there's nothing they can do. But it's like, if they can get some good role players, they can get some, all right, yo, book you, get your ass, let Bradley cook, or Bradley and KD cook. Or, you know what they said? They talk about, PG, I mean not PG, I'm sorry, Bradley Beale's talking about getting the squad back together. You trying to get y'all, whoa, yo, that's lit, I like that. I would love to see you on the suns, I'm not gonna lie. That would be dope. And the Barclays are coming out again in September. You said what? The Barclays are coming back in September. Oh wow.
00:24:00
Speaker
Okay. That's breaking news. It is breaking news. I don't care what I gotta do. I don't care what I gotta do. I need to get those. I need those. I will have them if I gotta put on a ski mask first.
00:24:13
Speaker
I'ma have them. I'ma get them jaws. Even though they weigh 13 pounds. At all costs. But they feel like you're walking on thin air. Yeah, they're good. They're good. That's a street ball sneaker. No, for real, they are. They are. But nah, like the Bradley Beal, I'm like, it's cool, but it's just like, it looks good because it's those names. To me, it really feels like...
00:24:37
Speaker
KD and Kyrie and hurt, hurt, hurt, hurt, hurt, hurt, hurt. Yeah, everybody hurt. That whole line up is hurt. I said before, it sounds really cool if you were playing NBA Street. Street 2K, it sounds cool. It sounds great in 2K. If you were playing, you know, something like playing two games and that was it.
00:24:58
Speaker
But how to have vocals for defense is funny to me.
Basketball Culture and Personal Experiences
00:25:02
Speaker
It's like, not funny, but you know, it's just like, alright, we don't need that. I can't wait to see him try to make all them dudes play defense. Everybody's gonna get a bucket. I hope that everyone can stay healthy.
00:25:12
Speaker
They just showed, Bradley Beale, the past three seasons has missed 73 games. KG, I think has missed like 50. Booker has missed like 38. Eight has just been hurt. I feel like the last time we saw him play was the last time I ever seen him play. Yeah, but no lie. That's a shame. No, I feel like that's what it... Pre-pandemic. Yeah. Fam, I was working at Sintas.
00:25:35
Speaker
That was pretty bad. I was in Columbia. Yeah, it was. Because when y'all came in, I was on the train leaving out the city. Y'all were coming in the city. And you ain't stay for the game. I ain't have no ticket. You sucka. You say you sucka. Look, y'all could have gave me a ticket. With what?
00:25:51
Speaker
First of all, we almost got killed, yo. Remember we were waiting for the lady to come get us? Oh yeah. She was like seven foot five, yo. Scared the shit out of me. It's all about climbing the tree. That's climbing the tree. She startled me. She was in heels too, right? Yeah. Oh, so she could play against Brittany Griner. She was hooping. You could tell she was hooping. Brittany Griner. Well, she had to. She escorted us to the shoot around there, all that.
00:26:16
Speaker
Yeah, she's used to being mad tall, because she must have saw my face and been like, this is another fool, looking scary. I was like, man. Why he say it like that? Because I'm embarrassed that I know my face look crazy. Her face was like...
00:26:36
Speaker
No, she didn't even do all that. She was just like, oh, hi, I'm here for you guys. Like, the elephant in the room. She's going to write a book. She's one of them avatars. You're not right. Is she wearing blue that day? She probably is. Yeah, I think she was. Very nice dress. Nice dress. Yeah, she look nice like Shay, but she is right. Seven foot 14. She a hoop, bro. She has to. She was cool with all the players' stuff too, right? Yeah. It's like the same height as Reggie Bloch.
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah, because Reggie was dead too, yeah. Reggie was dead. He's skinny, bruh. What? Well, for what? You tell me why he shouted that out. Every time, every time. Yeah, I get messages about Dariq Whitehead. You didn't even do what the Caitlin did. You're not even a fan. He's a Villanova fan. Almost like I don't care. Because he's from Jersey. I don't care.
00:27:27
Speaker
You always say, Duke, when we talk about your boy, who should be getting beat up? Who? Oh. I'm not even gonna say his name. He deserves to get beat up. I can't wait. You sent her his name out the show. You know what we probably could do? We can invite him out and guess. Praise him to have him say my dog's name. And when he comes into the episode, it's us. Say his name, dog. He's starting. Like, hit him with pillows or something. Oh, no. Yeah. Speaking about hitting and beating up and all that fun stuff. Wait. Wait, what are you about to say?
00:27:56
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't do anything, by the way. Nah, it's just gun control, violence. I really didn't do this one. Yeah.
Ja Morant's Suspension Impact
00:28:05
Speaker
I thought this guy was getting at least 40 games. He scaved off that. Yo, Mr. Ja Marant. He got the low count.
00:28:15
Speaker
He got the low count on that and then everybody's still tripping. I'm like, Ayo, but he's smiling. Yeah. And then everybody's like, yo, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. I'm like, dog, I thought he was about to get more. Yeah, I thought he was about to get walloped. Talking about his team is like, yo, we feel like we're being like, you know, pressed and, you know, being an example of like, this is not right. This is harsh. He said that the media is coming after him. Coming after him. I'm like, Jog, you on social media. You on social media, dog.
00:28:45
Speaker
after you they're after you fool but um but nah yeah that's crazy how he's kind of upset but a deep dive into that is basically isn't a new rules like you have to be like you can't miss more than he's already out of it no matter how hard he hoops he's out the question
00:29:07
Speaker
Here's the other question for that. Cause the new CBA starts this season coming up and they purposely just smiling at y'all cause that affects his contract. If he ain't got it all NBA. Mess with his money regardless. And guess what? He messed with his money. Yeah.
00:29:24
Speaker
by getting on lies and doing the is. He looked like a 12-year-old, too, when he was playing in the car. Almost like, is he serious? Someone said that he posted a picture with another gun. This was before the whole situation. And the gun was just a lighter that... Yeah, he was trying to say it was a fake gun. Yeah, that's revisionist history. That's him. Just, like, that was the thing. He was trying to say, well, it was a fake gun.
00:29:53
Speaker
Shut up, it wasn't like, well, I don't know, who cares? At this point, it's just, it's goofy, all the way around. If he's carrying around a fake gun just to dance with on TikTok, that's a damn shame. That's very sad. That's sad. You gotta grow up. Yeah, he does. He tripping bruh from that one, but.
00:30:12
Speaker
but his money hasn't been too tapped like that, like Nike still rocking with him, didn't they say? They were like, yo, we support bro. I was like, tag. I was like, tag. But you don't support Kyrie. I know man, I was, I'm like, all right, cool. You sent it to me and we're gonna get off topic, but you sent it to me. Who's the, who did Kyrie sign with? Anta.
00:30:30
Speaker
Yeah, he was rocking some other sneaks. You know, I'll say this. I've been I've been seeing them. I think I follow my IG or I follow another page that just posts a lot of on court basketball sneakers. Yeah. And they put out some good stuff. They put out some stuff that I would wear.
00:30:49
Speaker
To be honest with you, it looks like aesthetically pleasing. It just doesn't say Nike on it. Okay. But they put out tough stuff. Like I probably, like they're just as good as the new balance stuff that comes out, maybe even better sometimes. Gotcha.
00:31:02
Speaker
probably better than the waves and stuff. The waves stuff is not bad. I like his stuff, but it's like. Yeah, the converse. Some of the stuff. All it is. He was somebody else. He been on a converse for so long. Yeah, he been on a converse for so long. You know what I said. Remember I had the first pair? They were ugly, yo. I didn't like them. I liked them. Someone gave me a pair of those. Yeah, because they were ugly. And they didn't want them. No, no, no. But no, this lady, she was good to me. She...
00:31:28
Speaker
Her son cussed her out when buying this nigga. You said, you know what? You know why someone likes some ugly ass nigga? No, but what she would do, her son would go through worse than you, would wear new shoes, need a new pair like the next month.
00:31:47
Speaker
He was a basketball, he loved Wade, he loved Bron, he loved Kobe. Oh, he was playing in them? And she gave them to you? But he only wore them like one or two times. Nah, it was way more than two. No, what? No, I have them spanking them. You would not know that they actually been worn.
00:32:08
Speaker
He licked the inside. That's nasty. No, they were ugly. I feel like those are on the same par with like Starburys. Oh, and Kmart.
00:32:21
Speaker
Yeah, they look dumb, though. I remember you wearing them, too, and I was like... They wasn't that like that. They could have done better. I didn't like the colors, the way they did the colors. But they could have done better. No, mine was just white, black, and red. Oh, no, he had different colors, because he had one. You had the other Jordans. No, I didn't buy them. They were orange and blue. I didn't get that far. That was... I had his first shoe, like, his first shoe. Oh, my. I had the first shoe. Yeah, I hooked in them. They hurt, but he got hit with something else.
Future Outcomes of Player Trades
00:32:49
Speaker
They looked boxy.
00:32:50
Speaker
Zingling, whatever they're doing. Lee Ning, is it? Yeah. He not the only one, because I think Clay does that. Yeah. The sneakers are tough. The sneakers, they look good. They don't look like just stupid. They're not in Kmart like that. They look like good basketball sneakers. They go with different stuff. I need to pick some new ones up. I need to pick some new ones up, yeah. Yeah, but you know me, I got to have something with the ankle support and all that. That little brace strap. I'm not wearing a brace.
00:33:19
Speaker
I ain't messing your ankles up. I will, but I mean I'm not going to rely on just the brace. Oh yeah. I ain't saying where the ankle brace on or some low loose. They consider those high tops now. I hate when people do that. I hate when people go out there like Mike.
00:33:34
Speaker
I just wear some knits or some high hats. Yeah, I was holding it. And now my ankle injury kind of soared. Break my ankles every single month. So do you think the Grizzlies are actually going to be OK? Because remember, they just traded for Marcus Smart. Now, that was a smart move. Because. Pun intended. Yeah, that was a good move for them. But I mean.
00:34:04
Speaker
Yeah, it wasn't a bad move. I got a better point guard because remember y'all was ragging. Who was saying something about Tyus? I don't like the guy. What? I had no beef with him. I just thought he just needed to be on a better team because he actually could do well.
00:34:22
Speaker
He just needed it. That was his time to do it. Not there. He good. Well, he gets to be the starting point guard for the Wizards. They're going to suck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which by the way, fun fact. Him and Poole, that's what they trying to do. Yeah, Poole gets to shoot all the time of the world. Let's just hope they make the playoffs because we own Washington's draft pick next year. And if we don't get that one, then we got to wait another year.
00:34:50
Speaker
So our goal is to see Washington do well. We don't want them to suck. So we get that
Doc Rivers on Coaching Challenges
00:34:58
Speaker
first round. They kind of got upgraded a little bit. They got Kuzma. No, Kuzma's a free agent. He opted out. Oh, you don't think he's staying? No. He wants the championship. He wants to go back to that goal. I feel you. I wonder where he going. Somewhere that he can win. You here in the West? Somewhere that he can win. China.
00:35:19
Speaker
That's Dylan Brooks. Him and Dylan Brooks is going, yo. Really? Dylan Brooks is out of here. I think he get picked up. By who? I don't know. I think he get picked up. Chicago. Chicago. Speaking of Chicago, they already said we're assuming that Lanza will not be playing with us this season.
00:35:38
Speaker
That was just yesterday. So he's retired. He's done. Yeah. He's done. Has there been a, do you remember another player out for like two years straight and just can't help? Plenty Hardaway. Chamorro. Chamorro Murray. Chamorro Murray. That's a better one. But he's been out too long. Yeah, but that was an ACL.
00:35:57
Speaker
What's his bruh? All his legs is just broken, right? His legs is just dead. His legs are just torn up. And Jamal wanted to go slow with him. Because he wanted to come back last year. But they were like, no, no, no, no. That must have been crazy. Sitting the whole time and watching them the whole time.
00:36:23
Speaker
Hey, it worked out. He did the first year. Then he wanted to come back and it made him sit an entire NBA season again. That must have been crazy. I would have lost my mind. Yeah. He's like, you trying to play? I would have lost. And it was actually it was like the year before, you know, last season, they actually did pretty decent. They were pretty decent. They just needed that. They just need a big push. Oh, well.
00:36:53
Speaker
The next, the last and final topic, cause we're gonna skip that clip. We're gonna talk over this person because you all think I have no heart for this guy. We go by the name of Doc Rivers. Bro, don't try to switch sides up now with Doc. Yeah, man. No. He emailed you, huh? No, he did not. He turned something. No, no, no, no. She's gonna talk about me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:37:23
Speaker
I told you and I stand by this, he should have never went to Philly. That was never the team for him. When he got let go with the Clippers, he should have took a year off and evaluated where it would be best for his philosophy and his players that he needs to be successful. Philly was not the team. I said it when they picked him up, Philly was not the team. I would say this, I do not remember
00:37:52
Speaker
I'm saying he said that, but I do remember that he was getting fired. You said you get fired. On year two. He called it. He said, hey, he don't get to the Eastern Concert Finals. He's gone. I remember that. I went back in the archives, y'all, and that stat was 100% correct. He was just like that. That was the first thing he said. He was like, yo. But you know what? What's up? If you go back even further, I'm the one that put him on to that. You put him on it? I did. I told him that.
00:38:21
Speaker
But we can go back and talk and hear how Doc been ragging, like, I mean, how stat been ragging Doc the whole time. And now he's just like, if you feel like you got a hard, like, a soft spot for him, like, yo, he should have been over. No, I told you. That team did not work for him. What made you believe that team worked for him?
00:38:42
Speaker
when he got there. Ben Simmons does what Ben Simmons does. He embarrassed Doc. He embarrassed Doc. And Bead was always hurt. You trade force. And Bead had two good seasons. I mean the last season, he was hurt then. He had two. Last year he should have got MVP over this year. And he got hurt this year too. He got hurt in the beginning of the season.
00:39:10
Speaker
And then he got hurt in the playoffs this year. But again. But again, what did Doc have to make this team be successful? They added Harden. I was like, no. You know what you brought? Play that third clip. We're done. Ah, here we go. Ah, yo. Former Philadelphia head coach, Doc Rivers, he joined the Bill Simmons podcast and he opened up. That's how we're going to put it on the challenges of coaching James Harden. Take a listen.
00:39:38
Speaker
Did you like coaching him? Was it okay? Like how would you rate the experience? It was challenging. More because we were fighting two things and not like visually fighting. Is that James is so good at playing one way.
00:39:54
Speaker
And the way that I believe you have to play to win in some ways is different because it's a lot of giving up the ball, moving the ball, coming back to the ball. I would have loved to have him younger when that was easier for him because giving up the ball and getting back the ball is hard. Like it's physical, it's exhausting. So it's been interesting if I had him younger where he could have done that more, you know, coming off of dribble handoffs, going down the hill. You know, he didn't finish.
00:40:23
Speaker
as well as he finished because he's older and that happens. Ramona you have covered Doc Rivers and the Sixers extensively and Doc has joined our show and he's sort of alluded to maybe some challenges that were there but these are the most explosive comments, the most direct comments we have heard thus far. What do you take from this? Yeah I love it when people
00:40:43
Speaker
can tell the truth. Like he's not in that job anymore. He can say how he really feels. And you're like, oh, okay. Look, it was challenging because what he's talking about is ball movement. And what he's talking about here is passing the ball with the idea that it's going to move around and it might come back to you in a catch and shoot situation. And that's just not how James Harden plays. Like it's just, he dribbles, he dribbles, he dribbles. And then he looks for his shot right there. But
00:41:10
Speaker
I'm telling you, we just got done watching the Denver Nuggets win a championship. And when you watch the Denver Nuggets play with Nikolai Okich initiating a lot of the offense as a brilliant passer, the ball moves, people are cutting and shooting, you look at like
00:41:27
Speaker
Joellen B has not the same level of skill set as as Nicole young kids as a passer, but it there's a lot of pressure on Joellen B to score and when you have a player like to well he you he looks at the Denver Nuggets says. I might be kind of fun to play like that that might be kind of fun to get people who pass the ball around shoot cut and have this ball movement so he doesn't have to initiate offense like the way he does and James Harden doesn't have to dribble for 20 seconds are find a shot.
00:41:54
Speaker
Well, this is not like that to just air out one individual. And so what I got from it is that basically, James Harden cost him his job. And so why would he hold back? And we saw in game seven what happened with James Harden. He quit. Yeah. Mr. Perkins.
00:42:18
Speaker
Big man. It was snapping. Perk 43. Perk was popping a perk. He was right with this one thing that he said. James Harden quit on Doc and caused him to lose his job. Yeah, Doc even said he couldn't go with the adjust. He wasn't
00:42:43
Speaker
following suit. The whole game plan that Doc has, the way he runs. He couldn't, he didn't, he wasn't comfortable doing it. And he just is like, nah, just the way I hoop. It doesn't work like that one for me. And later on with the clip that we did, it was when I was listening to it, he said something real key that I, that you all tease me and say, I didn't say. Doc got KG, Pierce and Ray Allen all to play together the way that he wanted to, which got him their finals.
00:43:13
Speaker
those players knew how to adjust to his coaching, which is why they became successful in one of that finals. But then there was no James Harden ball stopper guy for Boston when they won. But think about this, Paul Pierce, he didn't suck, but he was on whack teams because he wanted to do what he was doing. He could at least shoot. Harden could shoot, he just chucks to him. Not no more.
00:43:41
Speaker
He did. I think he just, no, peep this. He did, nah, I think because he went to Brooklyn, he was the third option, he had a problem with that. KD was the first, Kyrie was second, he was third. He comes to Philly. Remember, he lights us up for like 25, 30 points. Yeah. Everybody does it. True. Good point. Didn't Blake do that? What? Didn't Blake do that to us? For what team?
00:44:11
Speaker
I don't even know. I thought he came to the garden and did something crazy. I'm talking about like, yo, but an old Harden was doing that. I thought an old Blake did something. Blake played for, this year he played for Celtic. But no, yeah, but then he did that, he did that against us when he got there. Cause he thought he was going to be the alpha, when really that was M.B. Sting.
00:44:34
Speaker
When he's the first, when he's the alpha, when he's the number one, he'll do whatever he needs to do to be successful. When he has to be Robin, when he has to be Alfred. He don't know how to, he's Alfred. Alfred is about it, but dad, the butler.
00:44:53
Speaker
He was the butler to KD and Kyrie. Master Wayne. I told you, you have to call him Master Wayne. That's his name in the group text. Oh, Master Wayne. And after Kyrie did him dirty, again, and remember it, and B didn't even want Harden to come there. He wanted Bill.
00:45:22
Speaker
Well, it was just all bad and Philly at the end. Fun fact, they already say rumor has it. I know we're done with the rumors. They said Embiid is almost like giving this one more try. And there's two teams that he would be interested in.
00:45:44
Speaker
He's not coming. One is the next, but the real team that people think he's going to go to is Miami. Yep, where he should go. Because he really loved having Jimmy. Yeah, that Jimmy was his dog. Jimmy got in his ass when needed to, but he understood why. And then Hardin said, I did that too, but no, not really.
00:46:06
Speaker
How are you gonna do that on my team
NBA Team Strategies and Predictions
00:46:09
Speaker
and you're the one messing up? Now it will look better for Joel to go there and Jimmy get on him like, hey yo, nah, I've been here twice before, like, to get to the finals, you know what I'm saying? Like, we need this, we need this. Way better than Bam. Yeah. You would move Bam or do you think they would have to? They're gonna have to. There's two, yo, Philly's gonna at least want Tyler and they're gonna want a big man. So who goes on that spot if they do that?
00:46:35
Speaker
Not Haslan this time. By the way, shout out to Haslan, 20 years in the NBA. He finally said goodbye and retired. He finally said it up. He got his championships. Suppose he's going to try to be the mayor of Miami. He's the unofficial mayor already. Yeah, go through him first. Back to this whole thing. I really do believe Doc did not get what he could have gotten.
00:47:03
Speaker
if he actually had the right horses in the squad. So you're doing his next gig right now? He already said he's taking a year off. He's taking a year off. He said I'm going to take a year off. He said these are the things he said in the interview. He said he's going to go to coach clinics. He's going to go to teams. And coaches that he's cool with, he's going to go there, either evaluate, give his two sons, or just see what's going on in the NBA. He said this, and I know Cosmo, but he wants to go to a lot of football games.
00:47:31
Speaker
He wants to hang out with these two coaches. One's college, one's NFL. I don't like either. No. He wants to go hang out with his boy Bill Belichick, which I was like, screw you, because I'm a Jets fan. I want to hear that. But he also wants to go hang out with Alabama. Nick Saban. He wants to hang out with Saban.
00:47:56
Speaker
He said he wants to take a year off, but I really do believe, and you all have heard me crack on him. Yes, he's one of the future top five coaches of all time. His next move has to be perfect, exactly what he needs. He doesn't need to jump too.
00:48:16
Speaker
If he wants to come to the next, I'll always take him, no problem. But he has to go to a team that fits exactly his philosophy and the proper players. He can't go to the Lakers. So basically, he needs the same situation he had in Boston. When he got there, he basically got, he said, yo, I need these two guys to make it work. To make peers understand. So that's what he needs. He needs the same thing. We'll see what happens when he comes out of his, you know,
00:48:45
Speaker
Training sabbatical his training mode, you know, like the anime saga. They'd be like, you know, he was just training for a whole to the next non cannon and not can his anti-gravity training. Yo, the hyperbolic chamber where it's on 300. But yeah, it's this I feel for God, you want to pour some liquor for him?
00:49:13
Speaker
And with that, the 2023 season is closed, like I was telling the big man over here. What's up? Denver won a championship. Yeah. He was surprised that the Knicks haven't gotten one yet. I mean, before the Nuggets, the Nuggets, that's so random. Three years ago, somebody was like, yo, the Nuggets is going to win. Like, how? Yeah. They're the new Spurs.
00:49:40
Speaker
They're the new Spurs. Yeah, they are. The Stockton. What? Stockton? Yo, whoa. Do you don't think that duo was like that? When did Stockton play for Spurs? Malone and Stockton? I'm just saying the duo. Oh, yeah,
Denver Nuggets' Future Prospects
00:49:54
Speaker
yeah, yeah. I said the freaking Spurs and you bring it back. Yeah, you said what before I could finish. I think it's worse. Do you think it's worse than that? Yeah, I think it's worse because it goes both ways now. Now that whole thing goes both ways. Yo, what are you going to do? You can't even help out.
00:50:11
Speaker
You can't even help out. And then while you're not helping out, he's taking steps. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Turn around. And then he and his, and he finessing too with the balls. You double him, ball goes out. You cover that, ball goes out. And then even that person can either shoot it or give it back to Yogi's because like it's crazy.
00:50:39
Speaker
He, when he was a kid and growing up, there was three players that he watched film and try to become like them. Gary Payton? No, now you're lying. One was Jordan. The other one was Magic for the passing and the dominance was Shaq.
00:50:58
Speaker
and he took both all their pieces and that's what made him who he is. Who he is, ay. He top-cheer, bro. I can't wait to see next season. You know I love- Do they repeat? Do they repeat? We should end on this, though. Do they repeat? I think if they keep the same role players, they get back to the Western Conference Finals and everybody stays healthy, they get back there. But,
00:51:24
Speaker
If they add one more piece, like, like, uh, one more piece, I can at least score in their bench. Not even starting. They're starting. It's pretty, they're pretty good. Actually, no, they need one more shooter. If they can get a better shooter than KCP, no matter if they start or don't start, they get back. That's the only thing I think they're a hundred percent lacking. Who has something for them in the East?
00:51:48
Speaker
Nobody does. But the West is just stacking up. No matter what, it may not gel. Actually, we don't know if it's gonna gel, but it's stacked. June 30th is when free agency starts. I do believe they will definitely get to the finals. I do believe they're gonna go against Golden State in the finals.
00:52:14
Speaker
I don't think the Suns are gonna do it. I think that Suns is just gonna be a clusterfuck. It could be. Sounds like one already. But we would just have to see. Like I said, I think it's repeating itself with the Brooklyn Nets. Yeah, and guess what? I really do feel like KD's next team, he better not demand to have certain people be with him.
00:52:44
Speaker
Cause you know and I both, we know. You think he's done at Phoenix? They would have to win. I don't think he can win. Yo, I think he had a better shot coming out the East than out there in the West. I don't, I don't, and plus he's getting hurt.
00:53:03
Speaker
Yeah. That's the scary thing about KD. It's not like how Bron gets hurt, because Bron just started getting hurt. KD's younger than Bron, and KD's getting hurt quicker than what Bron was getting hurt. Yeah. It's always been his knees. Bron was the groin, but KD has gotten hurt repeatedly. The ankle, the knees, the ankle again, doing a freak, going up for a layup in warm-ups before a game.
00:53:30
Speaker
I don't trust Phoenix. And then remember Booker's always getting a hamstring injury. Aiden is mentally challenged when it comes to actually having a force of being who he's supposed to be.
00:53:46
Speaker
and he loves CP3 because CP3 used to feed on the ball. You got shooters, you got Bill who wants to shoot, KD who is going to shoot, you got Booker who is going to shoot and possibly give you 60 one day. Do you think that's gonna be enough for Aiden to get any shots off?
00:54:05
Speaker
Aten is going to be a mental case. Some rebounds, that's all he needs to be. Do they need a guy like that? No, they can actually go trade Aten and go get a Mitchell Robinson. Robin Lopez. Basically a player that just doesn't have any post moves or it's just really... DeAndre Jordan. Getting rebounds, doing that pick and roll alley-oop. He just got a chip. Yes, he does have a chip. Jeff Green. Ish Miss got his first. Good Lord. The one boy from Kansas.
00:54:36
Speaker
He just got there too. He just got there already. He got a ship in Kansas. So, we all agree. Denver's at least getting to the Western Conference Finals. Yep. Alright, send us home. Ayo. This is Friends versus Friends. The end of the NBA season, 2022, 2023 NBA season. See you next season. We gonna head to this office and see what's good. We out. Peace.