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YHM 076 - Aesthetic Medicine with a Holistic View
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Join us for an insightful episode of Your Health Minute podcast as we delve into the world of Aesthetic Medicine with a Holistic View.
Discover how internal health influences skin appearance and explore holistic approaches to skincare with special guest Dr. Sydney Green, a naturopathic doctor specializing in medical aesthetics.
Learn about supporting the skin barrier and effective treatments for natural-looking results. Plus, get ready to debunk common myths about Botox and explore the concept of preventative Botox.
Tune in to elevate your skincare routine from the inside out!
Follow Dr. Syd:
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www.naturalwellnesswithsyd.com
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Transcript
Introduction of Dr. Sydney Green and episode focus
00:00:12
Speaker
Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Your Health Minute, brought to you by Aqua Omega. I am your host, Max Marion. And with me, as always, is my co-host, Calva Moro. Hello, everybody. And we also have our moderator, Elena, joining us. Hey, guys. Today, we've got a very special episode for you. We are going to be talking aesthetic medicine with a holistic view with a very special guest, Dr. Sydney Green. Dr. Sydney Green, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.
00:00:40
Speaker
Pretty excited about this. Good show. Lots of interest. Our listeners are definitely interested in this topic. I think everybody is. Kind of follows up really well with the last show we did, which was kind of biohacking and kind of, you know, what was it called? Gracefully aging.
00:00:55
Speaker
Right. I think that follows really well, really well into what we're going to be talking about today. But before
Dr. Green's holistic approach to aesthetics
00:01:01
Speaker
we dive into that topic, I always like to give our guests the opportunity to tell our listeners a little more about themselves, how or why you got into naturopathic medicine and why the specialty in aesthetic medicine.
00:01:14
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah, so I'm a naturopathic doctor that's practicing out of Victoria, BC. So my practice, it revolves around a holistic approach to aesthetics. So originally, I did get into naturopathic medicine, as I feel like most people do, struggling with health conditions that, you know, are a little bit more obscure and not generally treated conventionally.
00:01:38
Speaker
And then I fell in love with the practice of naturopathic medicine and really trying to figure out and treat the root cause. And throughout my schooling, I've always had a passion for skincare. And just afterwards, I decided that I love to blend my two passions. So naturopathic medicine, treating the root cause, working on people's health from an internal aspect, and then blending that with more of the aesthetics component. And I do believe that it's a really nice blend and my patients do really like it.
00:02:09
Speaker
I think that's
Treating skin conditions: Inside-out approach
00:02:10
Speaker
great. I really like the inside out kind of blend because I think the two really go together. You know, what I was thinking about, you know, you're talking about like acne or even eczema and a lot of times these conditions, you see they're topical, they show up on your skin and people try to treat them with like creams or ointments or, you know, steroids or whatever. But the issue is often coming from the inside, right? It's a result of what's going on inside your body that's being reflected outside of your body.
00:02:38
Speaker
I'd love to dive into like the interconnectedness of how everything's working together. And maybe I'm sure you're going to go into hormonal health and all these different types of things, but how it all ties together. And, and when someone comes to you with a problem, like how are you approaching it? Like what, what are you looking at first?
00:02:57
Speaker
Absolutely. So the skin, we can just look at that as the largest organ in the body. And it really, in my view, it serves as the reflection of what's going on inside. So in order to really address and treat the root cause of your skin condition, whether that be acne, eczema, psoriasis, or just general anti-aging, you do have to look at all of those foundations of health. So a big factor with skin health is gut health.
00:03:19
Speaker
Also hormone balance, also just the pillars of a healthy lifestyle. So whether that be stress management, adequate sleep, proper nutrition, there's all those factors that create that optimal well-being for a person is really integral with how skin health and how that reflects on the skin appearance.
00:03:39
Speaker
So what's going on? Like, what's going on with someone that's like, you know, you're talking about skin, skin color, things like, you know, some people sometimes they look great. Like, are those just mineral deficiencies or what, what's going on with that? You know, I'm talking about that chalky gray skin. You could tell, you could tell by someone's appearance, like, you know, someone's feeling really good. They're exercising, they're eating, like you got to glow about you, right? Like you just kind of radiate that kind of like, at least what I'm thinking, like, Hey, your things are going right. You're looking pretty healthy right now.
00:04:09
Speaker
Yeah, so if someone like, you mean like gray as in like dull looking or how do you use the gray, gray, right? Like the pigment like the color. Right. You just look great. Yeah. So I definitely attribute that more to like a gut and just doing more of a holistic view. So I want to be looking at gut health. I want to be looking at liver health.
00:04:32
Speaker
I want to see how your digestive system is really functioning and the nutrients that you are getting into your body. And then stemming on from there too, it's, you know, just want to make sure that you're doing all the right topical treatments on the outside to really help enhance that overall internal approach to that. But the first step is definitely looking on to see what's going on the inside.
00:04:55
Speaker
Is it like a blood work? Yeah, blood work or stool analysis, depending on what the concern is, if someone's just coming in for like more so dull skin or anti-aging, then I don't normally go into the stool work component of that. That would be more for conditions like acne and femosuriasis to see if, you know, there's pathogens within the gut or imbalances with your microbial balance that way. Um,
Identifying and managing skin condition triggers
00:05:20
Speaker
but just making sure we're having optimal digestin function and
00:05:23
Speaker
you know, seeing just what our basic lab work is showing. What are the most common issues you see? Like, is it food sensitivities? Because I've gone through this, I went through this just recently, where I kept getting like eczema, like on my eyelids, like right here. And it turned out, I just started cutting out like, it was like a food intolerance. It was crazy. And that was what was causing the little eczema that was happening.
00:05:50
Speaker
there. So as I started cutting out foods and trying like trial and error, and finally, I cut it out. It was eggs. It was doing it. Interesting. It's crazy, right? They got on and I cut it away.
00:06:03
Speaker
Yeah, I find that eggs are very common trigger for exziva. So I do find that yeah, a lot of times it is food intolerances or allergies. And everybody's body is so unique. And it's really hard to have that template of being like, if you have acne, or if you have eczema, cut this, this, this, this out. It's very individualized. And I feel like for everyone, they have to find their triggers. And sometimes it can be more so expanding on that food. Sometimes people are really stressed. And that's their trigger.
00:06:32
Speaker
Right? So just working to try and identify what everyone's specific triggers are for their skin condition, I think is pivotal and an often missing gap with a lot of conventional
00:06:44
Speaker
treatments you know because either we're going okay let's just put on a topical cream fix it that way or let's cut out all of these standard foods you know the classic dairy gluten eggs and that's it but it can be so much more and so much more intricate and sometimes people have very obscure triggers that just aren't the classic ones that we typically see. So what's the process for finding out what these triggers are?
00:07:10
Speaker
Is it like a, like, yeah, you can do like an elimination diet, but like a lot of times, like if you want to cut to the Jason, you do like the IgG food map, like a, like a food intolerance. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I usually give people two options. The hard option is doing the elimination diet because I find that it's super strict and it can impede with people's ability to, you know,
00:07:33
Speaker
interact in social environments for life. But that's going to be the low cost and sometimes most accurate way to test. And then they have to go through that whole reintroduction phase where they're challenging different foods, seeing how it reacts for three days and all of that. So that's the hard version, which I find a lot of people don't like to do. So with that, we usually do the food sensitivity test and that can give just a window
00:07:59
Speaker
of you know what the different triggers are and then after we eliminate everything that shows up as you know our red or yellow foods on the food sensitivity test like the no-go's then we can reintroduce and challenge and see what actually works for the person and not and then really just diving into what their stress levels are like and how their digestive system is properly functioning as well is key.
00:08:22
Speaker
So stress can throw off your microbiome and it can spike your cortisol levels, but is it also thrown off like your hormones in general? Absolutely. Yeah. So our hormones, essentially there's like our hormones and our stress hormones are synthesized from cholesterol. So the more cortisol that we're producing, so if we're in a heightened state of stress, then that's going to steal from our production of normal hormone production. So that can interplay with each other. And then we also have the,
00:08:50
Speaker
It's called the stress skin connection or the brain skin connection, whereas we have our mast cells that are within our skin. So the more that we are stressed, this will activate our mast cells in our skin and can show up as different skin conditions as well. So that's why when people have eczema, they can have flares when they're stressed and yada, yada. Right. And what's causing like hives when someone gets a breakout of hives, is that generally that's like a food intolerance or is that stress induced as well for the most part?
00:09:18
Speaker
It can be a blend. Yeah. And environmental too. There are so many things. Like mold can mess with your skin as well, right? Absolutely. Yeah. So you can, it's really just based on the individual and, um, you know, from doing a thorough history, we can kind of see like what app in you we have to go explore, but it's really just being a detective to figure out, okay, is it this that we want to go down first? And sometimes we go down one Avenue first and it doesn't work for someone. And then we're like, okay, we have to readjust then.
00:09:48
Speaker
look at these different factors within your health, whether that be mold, whether that be more stress, whether that's environmental, like sometimes it can be just as easy as like the soaps that you're using the detergent, the cleaning products, that kind of thing. This is where I was going in my mind. I was like, think there's so many things that it could be, right? Like when you're talking environmental, like your laundry detergent,
00:10:07
Speaker
your, the cleaning products that are being used, you know, in your home or at your home or even like your work or somewhere you're visiting, depending on what they're using, if there's some harsh chemicals, it can, you can get a pretty serious reaction on your skin from that. Yeah, I would think so.
Maintaining skin health: Practical tips
00:10:23
Speaker
Absolutely. I mean, it's just that you see, like me, it was eggs, but what are you seeing? Is it like wheat, uh, dairy? Like what, what do you see the most?
00:10:34
Speaker
I find dairy is a big trigger just because I work with skin so much. So especially for acne, there is such a big link between acne just and dairy consumption and not just proliferating and exacerbating.
00:10:49
Speaker
I do find eggs a lot with eczema. Gluten, definitely I see that, but I see that more from like a gastrointestinal perspective. So if someone has more of like an IBS constitution, I find that typically they're more sensitive to gluten and they feel better when they cut it out. Not so much noticeable with skin from what I've seen personally in practice. And then other than that, there's just a lot of individual
00:11:15
Speaker
random things that people can be sensitive to and that's just very tailored and specific to the individual person that's in front of me.
00:11:23
Speaker
That's cool. It is cool. So yeah, I was thinking dairy when you're talking about dairy, there's like a, I was talking to someone that used to specialize in like testing dairy, uh, milk and proteins. And a lot of allergies that have come through dairy over time, at least from what I was told was it was actually like a protein mutation that ended up happening. So it was like the, it's called the A1, maybe we got up at Atlanta, it's like a A1 protein and
00:11:50
Speaker
the people that are, that are generally affected by dairy can often drink like goat's milk, which has like an A2 protein, which doesn't create the same kind of histamine reaction. They're like, it doesn't have the same kind of allergic reaction or reaction in the body. So people are not intolerant to it, which is really cool. And I think the, the actual mutation ended up happening because of like inbreeding or something like that of the, yeah, the industrial, the, the, the dairy world.
00:12:20
Speaker
I'd say with gluten too, like the industrialization has really changed the way that we can tolerate. We were in Europe, when was it? This is a freaking long time ago. Like five years ago now, I took a trip to Europe with my wife and we're popping around Italy and I was like, no holds bars.
00:12:40
Speaker
you know, like whatever we wanted wine, fine. You wanted some beers, fine, like whatever, but we're eating like pizza and breads and pastas and all these things. And Janelle, like she's, she has a, she has a gluten intolerance. And here, if she has any type of like, like wheat or pasta or something like that, that's not like gluten free or like of a healthier version, instantly like exhausted and can fall asleep out there. Wow. No problems. Hmm.
00:13:06
Speaker
Yeah. And there was like the wines don't have like the nitrates in them and the beers don't have the same kind of preservatives either. And the pasta and the breads, they're just not refined the same way or processed the same way. So you don't get the same intolerance. It's a more natural version of it, right? Like the more you mess with food, the more it's going to mess you up. Oh, I know.
The importance of the skin barrier
00:13:26
Speaker
And well, you can see the result in North America, right? Like people eating so much processed foods. Seems like the A1 protein creates an inflammatory response that could
00:13:34
Speaker
kind of mess up your digestive system and stuff. And it was due to cows having a different genetic composition than before. Then before. Then before what? Before something. I don't know. It's fascinating. My brain's all over the place, but it retains cool little facts like that.
00:13:57
Speaker
Besides aesthetic reasons, what is the purpose of having healthy skin? Why would someone want healthy skin? Because it looks good. You want to feel good in your skin, you want to feel good in your skin, you want your skin to look good and be healthy. I think a big thing is confidence.
00:14:19
Speaker
from a more naturopathic point of view or standpoint is when we're looking at the skin and we're seeing different conditions or we're seeing
00:14:29
Speaker
you know, acne, eczema, we're seeing accelerated aging, it's just really cues. So it's just our body telling us in different ways that something is not good inside. So it's, you know, the same can be if you have like fatigue or any kind of like mental drain, or if you're experiencing IBS, or if you're experiencing some kind of, you know, other symptom, it just cues that what you're putting in what you're doing isn't working for your body. So having to readjust.
00:14:58
Speaker
Okay. If you're just like kind of better overall health. Yeah. Um, I was wondering, maybe we could explain the role of, uh, the skin barrier and kind of protecting against environmental stressors or, or maintaining hydration. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Maybe we can start with that.
00:15:16
Speaker
Yeah, so the skin barrier. So essentially, that's just our skin's defense system. And it's composed of like lipids and proteins and other substances just to maintain that barrier in line of defense from external pathogens. So we have the physical and chemical barrier. And as we know, the physical barrier is like actually what is physically blocking and then the chemical barrier
00:15:38
Speaker
um that is basically what protects against um you know all of those pathogens coming in through like the antimicrobial peptides etc um so the skin barrier it's just really important for maintaining that health and integrity of the skin and i find you know a lot of times people with their skin are over treating over exfoliating not putting the right things on so it's really
00:16:01
Speaker
uh, aggregating that skin barrier, which can cause, you know, people are doing that's bad. Cause you see that all the time, face masks and like, what is it? Hyaluronic acid, like all this crap. I'm like, man, like I gotta say I, I've never had to, too. I was very fortunate growing up. I never had
00:16:24
Speaker
like never acne never really pimples nothing like that and And so I would watch people go through all these like what was that thing? They used to sell on TV. It was Oh Proactive proactive like things and I was like Oh
00:16:40
Speaker
Crazy right or like there was like these soaps these special soaps used to sound like like I just used to wash my face at night, you know It was super nothing crazy, but I would see all these other things and it's like man Like sometimes it seems like it's a lot
00:17:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's a lot and I have like some girls would get put on or put, get put on birth control, control the eye. And I was like, it just seems like not a great place to start.
00:17:11
Speaker
Yeah and I feel like just speaking more so towards you know the so many different skincare products out there right now and also with social media and just the I guess modern day technology I feel like so many people are seeing everything that's going on and they're like I need a 15 step skincare routine too and that could not be
00:17:34
Speaker
Further from the truth. I am You know my skin care routine is I got like this using it like I pretty much use the same scope as I use on my beard Honestly
00:18:00
Speaker
That's gotta be important, right? Like washing, like what you just said. I mean, we clean the sheets once or twice a week, but it's gotta be important just to keep your pillow and your sheets clean for your skin. Absolutely. So definitely keeping, washing your pillow, especially for patients who have like acne. That's like one of the first thing, like wash your pillow, wash your makeup brushes. Don't use the same towels over and over again, just so we're not like reintroducing that bacteria. But yeah, just like. Because you shed, right?
00:18:30
Speaker
Typically every 28 days. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I think Calvin thinks now he can only change his sheets once a month and he's good to go.
00:18:45
Speaker
You've just empowered him. I would do it more than that. I'm like, what? She eats every week? Every week. That feels excessive. Not excessive. That feels like the right amount. Yeah, I'm with you there. It just feels good, too, going to his crisp bed. It's all nice.
Nutrition's role in skin and gut health
00:19:01
Speaker
You sleep all good. Yeah, absolutely. Once a month is the finest. Nasty. We should do a poll on the show. And I guarantee you, people will say, that's nasty.
00:19:16
Speaker
One month can't be the last option that we have to have like every six months do so that way they
00:19:22
Speaker
the nastiest? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No, because no one's going to ever put the nastiest as their choice. Okay. We'll do it right now. We're going to do a poll on Instagram. Hopefully you participate if you're listening to this now. Is there anything else to go back to the skin barrier? Are there other things that can like damage the skin barrier? Like if, I don't know, cleaners or things like that, she's not doing her head. Yes. Like what are some of the common things that you see that people are using that skin barrier?
00:19:53
Speaker
So commonly hot water. I don't like hot water. I don't like hot showers. So hot showers bad, right?
00:20:02
Speaker
bad yeah not good for your skin told you that so using just like lukewarm water or even just cool water nothing but cold showers no but like the coldest like as cold as it was yeah i love that other benefits to that yeah but um definitely for skin barrier i would say yeah not having why specifically is a bad shower a hot shower bad for you
00:20:29
Speaker
It's just very damaging and it contributes to that hydration loss. So that epidermal water loss in your skin. You know, when I was washing my hands all the time, it's like my skin gets very dry. Yeah, you're right. Absolutely. Yeah. You take those hot showers, you come out, like you get dry skin from that. Yeah, you get itchy almost. You get itchy from it. It's because it's like getting your skin. And it like, it's damaging too. It's too hot. And then like all the blood wants to rush up to the surface to protect the skin because you're damaging it.
00:20:57
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. So that's like the first thing that is just key. So no hot showers when you're washing your face. Don't eat hot water, hot towels. Yeah. Just don't. Yeah. Yeah. Just don't do that. Um, opt for like gentle cleansers. So like a mild cleanser cause you really want to still preserve the natural oils in the skin. So don't use like a harsh soap. Don't use anything with alcohol.
00:21:27
Speaker
So just like it's something that has like a lot of alcohol content in it or like the same kind of composition that you would to like wash your hands. Like just get like a specific cleanser for your face. That is mild and gentle. During COVID, like with all those people were like, people were like, like, like hand sanitizers up to the elbows. Like, you know, it was like crazy.
00:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, I know. And the amount of eczema that I see on this hand specifically because of overwashing and over just sterilizing is insane. I get eczema when I'm out here, but I feel like this is different. Oh, let's go into that. Let's dissect something here. Calvin, Calvin gets, you know, air your equipment out and it's probably molding there. And then you're getting, you're getting eczema from that and like, just clean your shit and you'll be okay. Or like, let it air out.
00:22:21
Speaker
And you're not going to get a seat. But he doesn't listen to me. I'm just like, where's the hockey bag? I'm like, oh, it's still in my trunk. And then I get a glove in my hand from my gloves for sure. That's a mold, man. Yeah. Now she told you it's mold. Okay. Well, I just solved your problem. How would I do this equipment? Am I too far gone?
00:22:44
Speaker
Pardon me? How would I clean this equipment now? Like I can't put in the washing machine, right? Get a rag. Get like a cleaner, get inside your shit, clean it out. I would probably just get new equipment. Oh, I expose, I guess. I want to drop it. I feel like there's like a new mold.
00:23:06
Speaker
A lot of the stuff you can run it through the wall. Yeah, you're right. It's my elbow pads and gloves, for sure. That's what gives it to me. I'll replace your gloves. I'll replace those things. Thank you, Dr. Sidney. I will. Why don't we change it? Probably get a new jock too, because you don't want to start getting jocks. No, that is good. Gross. Gross. Let's get back on track here. Unbelievable. You threw me off with that nastiness.
00:23:36
Speaker
So what are the most effective treatments that like someone comes in, come to see you, what do you put them on? Like a liter and a half of water a day, a supplement regimen, like what a probiotic, what do you, what's like, what's the go-tos of what are you putting them on? Yeah. While you're doing the blood work and everything like that, like what's the, like, here's the basic fundamentals that you need today while we try to find your root cause. Absolutely. So, um, water.
00:24:05
Speaker
is so important. So just having adequate hydration, like you said, getting two to three liters of water per day. I love to aim for having credit. I said that many more than I drink. I thought I drank a lot. Three liters. Yeah, two to three liters of water.
00:24:22
Speaker
And the reason for that is just it's for gut function, right? And having just proper digestive function. And that's kind of the key. So I think also like stemming on that before we get into the intricacies of the individual in front of me for just gut health in general, whole foods,
00:24:41
Speaker
amplify fiber. So fiber is just the keystone and you want to be getting that from a lot of different fruits and vegetable sources. So just trying to have that diversity of plants within the diet and get an abundance of fiber. The North American diet is very deficient in fiber. What are the best fruits and vegetables in fiber? That's a great question.
00:25:05
Speaker
Yeah, so I feel like my cycle right now is just trying to get people to eat the fruits and vegetables. But I would say best fruits and vegetables are fiber, just like having, you know, like your broccoli, celery, carrots, your cruciferous vegetables, everything like that. Other great fiber sources are chia and flaxseed. So having those in the diet.
00:25:26
Speaker
I love to add a psyllium husk too. I feel like that's really great for people who find it hard to, you know, eat a lot of variety of the fruit and vegetables. In some water before bed works like a charm. Yeah. Yeah. We're putting that in a smoothie, but, um, yeah, I would just say the foundation of just trying to get a lot of the diversity of fruits, vegetables for the fiber, for the antioxidants. Great for gut health and also great for skin health. Um, and just making sure people are regularly going to the bathroom every day is really important too.
00:25:56
Speaker
because we don't want, yeah, we want that regular bowel function. So fiber, sometimes adding a magnesium in for that, depending on the individual. I do love just like as a general blanket, like I do typically like to go with an Omega as well. I find that that's so great for skin health and just making sure we're having those optimal healthy fats in our diets too. Right, it helps with hydration and fluidity of the cells too, right? It's so important. Yeah.
00:26:24
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. What about time of day for hydration? Should you wake up and just slam a bunch of water or do you just drink it throughout the whole day? I just drink it. Just do it. Yeah, for me, I'm like, just do it. Just try and drink it. I don't... Who have a hard time drinking water? Like, can they have a tea instead? Does that count towards your three liters or no?
00:26:49
Speaker
Yeah, you could have an herbal tea. And I love that because herbal teas have a lot of medicinal benefits as well. So just not anything with caffeine. So a black tea or a chai tea wouldn't count towards your water intake. But if you're having like a peppermint tea or a ginger tea, great. Yeah, I love that. Okay, I like that.
00:27:09
Speaker
That's good. I was told drinking water first thing you wake up in the morning, like drinking a whole bunch of water is like the best time because it's good for your energy for one. Yeah. But also like throughout the night, your body's trying to like your liver's detoxing and your body's detoxing in general. So drinking a bunch of
Aesthetic treatments: Natural and conventional
00:27:26
Speaker
water first thing in the morning actually helps you eliminate those toxins that your body's trying to get rid of and flush them. Yeah.
00:27:34
Speaker
Yeah. And it could be really good for having a bowel movement in the morning too. So definitely if you lay in sea salt in there, definitely go to the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:50
Speaker
Um, okay. What about, um, some effective treatments that like aren't around food, like maybe like chemical peels, for example, is that something people could do for Botox or Botox or yeah. Talk about a future. I'm trying to convince one of the guys here to do Botox. No, Botox.
00:28:10
Speaker
So just for general skin health, I would say Botox wouldn't be a treatment that I would suggest. I suggest that just for, you know, more so the aesthetic purpose and helping boost self-confidence from an anti-aging. But for overall skin health, three things that I do really like to do within my practice, I do like chemical peels, I do like cosmetic acupuncture, and I love microneedling. And my favorite is I love to combine platelet-rich plasma with microneedling. So those are
00:28:37
Speaker
like, depending on what the concern is. Microneedling and plasma? Together? Yeah, so doing the two together. So with microneedling, you typically have like a hyaluronic acid or a serum that you're infusing, you can use ametotherapy, which is more of like a vitamin concoction, or you can use a hyaluronic acid. For me in my practice, I typically use the hyaluronic acid, but then you can do platelet-rich plasma microneedling. So you're taking their platelet,
00:29:04
Speaker
through the whole process of centrifugation. And then you're having that as what you're re-injecting into their skin. And I love that for skin health. That's really cool. Yeah. My wife's done the microneedling a few times. I think she does that relatively regularly. But I know when you start, you don't go so deep and then you go deeper into like whatever, but it's the stimulant production of collagen. Is it always in the face? And scalp or?
00:29:30
Speaker
Easy. Well, mostly. Yeah, I would say face, neck, decollete, scalp. I don't typically microneedle the scalp. I know a lot of people do that for hair growth. I typically do straight injections into the scalp. But yeah, those are the main areas. But you could do it like if you have like acne or scars, you could do it on your back. If you have like keratosis polaris, you can do it on your arms. But
00:29:55
Speaker
I don't feel like that's a very popular thing that people do. It was a time long ago when I still had a hair to safe and I'd looked in like microneedling and plasma injections in, in, in the scalp to do that. So again, to bring out, to urinate the hair. And then I started getting like nonstop ads for hair transplants in Turkey. In Turkey. Oh yeah. Crazy. Like it was like, I was like followed everywhere by these.
00:30:21
Speaker
And then you started getting like phone calls on like WhatsApp and all this kind of stuff. I was like, what is going on? Someone sold yours. Just got targeted. And then I just figured I don't see the barber took it all off and now we're good. And I'm just a bald man, great beard. That's it. I feel like every guy. Looks great. Yeah, right. You had mentioned acupuncture. How does that? Yeah. With skin. What does that sound like?
00:30:47
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Yeah, so cosmetic acupuncture. So that's when we're just doing the needles that are around, they're actually in the traditional channel points. But there are different locations on your face. And it is just based on the individual constitution and intake that I would select the points. But I like to explain that to patients as like a dentular microneedling. So we're still by creating those micro injuries, we're going to be simulating collagen in the last in production and rejuvenating the skin.
00:31:15
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But then we also get those traditional benefits from Chinese medicine from stimulating that chi flow and circulation to that area. I also find it's a really calming.
00:31:25
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Yeah. Really calming treatment. So it's good for your supporting for circulation too, right? It's good for circulation. Well, right. Like it's, it's really cool for, like, I love that. I love, I love acupuncture. There's two types. I get, I get like the traditional stuff, but then I also see one, one guy here in town who, um, who actually separates muscle from fascia. He's like one of like,
00:31:48
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a few people in Canada that do this, but it's so cool when you go and do it. Cause it's like an active type of acupuncture. It's not like just, you know, like the traditional where you kind of, you know, stick the needles in those, those, um, pressure points or like whatever acupuncture points. And then they put like the heat lamp on you and you kind of lay there and I always fall asleep. This is like actually actively like moving the body with and separating it. And I can imagine that would be really good.
00:32:14
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for aesthetic benefits as well. Cause if you can separate the muscle from the fascia and everything starts to slide better, you're going to get much better circulation under, under the skin as well. Yeah, absolutely. I love acupuncture. I think it's so great. Love that stuff.
00:32:29
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I've been getting it almost weekly to help with the sciatica injury that I had. It works. It's helpful. I can't help it. Except he takes a painkiller before going for his acupuncture because they put the stim on it. He's soft potatoes. They do the electric and it makes my skin like jump and fall. You got to enjoy that. It's just it's weird. No, it's good. You mentioned chemical appeals too. Can you explain what that is for anyone who hasn't heard of it?
00:32:59
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for sure. So, um, here of your skin to regenerate. That's right. Well, yeah. Yes. And no, yes. That's what it is. You're doing right. You're not like peel anybody. Like basically you're, yeah. Yeah. You're exfoliating the outer layer of skin. So you use a chemical exfoliant.
00:33:24
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And you apply that over the top layer. And essentially, what that does, depending on the type of chemical appeal, because there's a lot of different types and a lot of different gaps. I like to stay with superficial, because I don't think you need to go very deep in order to get an effective treatment. But what that does, it enhances cell turnover. It helps stimulate that collagen and elastin production. And it actually improves your epidermal thickness as well. It's really great for scarring, pigmentation, anti-aging, all of those things.
00:33:54
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But again, like with chemical PLC, you don't want to over chemical PLC, you have to be very strategic because you don't want to compromise that skin barrier. You can hurt yourself. You can hurt yourself. Yeah, you have to be really careful with where you go. Face all red, like really
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00:34:09
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mangled. Yeah. Yeah. So it has to be like, yeah, in a very, you want to be working with a practitioner who just knows what they're doing.
00:34:19
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knows not how to compromise your skin barrier and not over treat your skin. Don't buy, don't buy the kid on Alibaba and try to do it yourself. Please don't. We should get Andre. I think we can get Andre to do some Botox, but there's a few like myths that he's maybe has some questions about. Can I fire them at you? He's worried. He's worried about his face is going to look frozen. So is that something that happens?
00:34:49
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Well, it can. Absolutely. Cause you're injecting something that is going to be stopping the muscle from firing. Um, but it's all dependent on dose and where it's injected. So just making an injector that aims for natural looking results. I think it's the biggest thing there. Okay. So he emphasizes natural looking results and he should be okay. Anyone's professional. Um, but what about the pain? He's afraid that the treatment is going to be really painful.
00:35:15
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No, we use influencer ranges. So those are extremely tiny needles. And the needle is it's a 31 gauge for anyone who understands how small that is. And most people barely even feel it going in. Okay, cool. Yeah. Does Botox treat like all your wrinkles? Or how do you mean wrinkles? Like, are there any wrinkles? Are we in the crow seat? Or we just hit in the forehead?
00:35:42
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We can hit the crow's feet, we can hit the glabella, we can hit the forehead, we can adjust for like smile asymmetries, we can treat your masseters.
00:35:52
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Yeah. So it can be used in a lot of different places. I would say it's the best for, um, like if you have very, very strong static wrinkles. So if you're at rest and your wrinkles are very deep, um, it's going to soften them. So typically it won't take those completely away, but it's the best for those dynamic wrinkles. So when you're moving your face, if you're having those wrinkles on your forehead, then it can completely smooth those out. Yeah, exactly.
00:36:21
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Okay. What about if you stop using Botox, do your wrinkles come back even worse than before? No. No. Okay. So that's just a total bit. Just straighten out. Yeah. That's a total bit. Yeah. Um, cause it's just going to like what the Botox does, it just stops with that muscle contraction and it's going to peak at the two weeks.
00:36:42
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And then it's going to wear off over three to four months, but it's not going to come back stronger than it was. Your muscle still is going to be contract. It can actually weaken your muscle contractions. So kind of the opposite. I noticed for a lot of people who get TMJ. So if you have, um, want to inject into your masseters, cause you have severe TMJ, not for wrinkles, but for muscle activity, the more that you do it. So if you do a one year every three months.
00:37:06
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then the next year you're likely not going to need to do as many treatments because your muscle is actually just going to get weaker because it's not contracting as much. So you're reducing that strength of the muscle. I like having a strong face. I'm not getting any Botox. The same thing is like the lip injections, the same stuff or no? Well, you can inject Botox into just the vermilion border at the top of the lip. So that would be a lip lift.
00:37:31
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Yeah, so that would just need to like, lift it to your lips. Will they give them fuller lips? Won't give you fuller lips. Actually, that would be more of like a lip filler. So you can do like a lip filler or you could do a lip flip with Botox. Botox, it's just going to expose more of that like pink part of your lips. So you see it more. So it's going to just lift it up a little bit.
00:38:00
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Last one here is some people are afraid of the long term effects because Botox is fairly new. So I saw some clickbait stuff the other day was saying that there's like all these carcinogens and Botox and all these women are going to develop cancer now because they're getting Botox like crazy. But I felt like it was like baby
00:38:18
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And there's got to be better, better treatments than others, right? Or is it all just, yeah, absolutely. Well, the ones that we have in Canada, those all have been like health Canada approved. Um, and I would say like Botox it, I believe the first year that it like came onto market for treating wrinkles was 2002. So we have that amount of data to support its safety and efficacy. Um, and you know, just. There hasn't been that I've seen any direct links and I think just,
00:38:48
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you know, going with the data of what we've seen, it does seem generally very safe for people. You just want to make sure you have none of the contraindications for both health, but you're provided will go over with you. But that's more for me. Does that give you like a small injection to make sure you're not going to react to it before they do the full on injections?
00:39:05
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Yeah, you can definitely just like a one unit to see how your body reacts by just depending like we have the ingredient profile. So if you have an allergy to one of the ingredients and you're you know, we're just not going to inject that specific product into your face. Okay. If you get Botox in your 20s will that help you prevent getting wrinkles later in your life?
00:39:26
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That is the theory, yeah. Just because of that, we can do the math. And if you plan to be flaring questions off from the side, she's like, I kept it in my 20s, will it prevent me wrinkles later?
00:39:43
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So that's like the whole idea with baby Botox is that you're just going to be weakening those muscle contractions, right? So you're just not going to have as strong as lines that will develop later in life. But there's, you know, you don't have to go with Botox. You can do other things to stimulate that collagen in the last production that, you know,
00:40:01
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if you don't want to go more so with an injection route. So like micro needles, I think it's the best thing. It's natural, right? Like, you know, you start getting like Botox in your 20s, you don't want to have like a droopy weak face because all your muscles are weak when you're older. No, is that something that could happen? Just like, No, no, you won't get a droopy.
00:40:26
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I can't even contract my forehead. Do you have any expressions? No, I have no one left in my forehead whatsoever Prevent themselves from smiling or laughing so that way they don't get wrinkles. Is there anything to that? Like are they better off?
00:40:40
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You know, I don't think so. I like natural. That's like my whole goal with my, like the patients that I see are aiming for natural looking results. So that's kind of like, even as you age, just like, there's like a, like a natural beauty to like aging, right? And it's like, we talked about, it's like a privilege to be able to get age. And it's like, yes, you want to like age gracefully and look youthful as much as you can, but you don't want it to look fake.
00:41:07
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No. Fake to me anyway, it looks gross. I don't, I don't like that. That's why I get touch of gray. Just, just for a minute off my beard. Right. I want a little bit of just a little bit. You could grow a full. This is good. That's fun. Hey, for, um, for our listeners who want to continue this conversation with you, what's the best way for them to get ahold of you either online or website or, or what, how can they reach out?
00:41:37
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Yeah, so my Instagram, it's doctor.cidgreen, and then my website is www.naturalwellnesswithcid.com, and I can link my website through my Instagram.
00:41:50
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Perfect. And we'll have those links in the description of this podcast as well. Um, and if you liked the podcast, be sure to like the podcast and share it with your friends and family so that way they can all give it five stars too, to really help us grow. I want to thank you again, Dr. Sydney for being on the show. It was so great having you. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. I'm excited to get some Botox with you later today, Max. I'm not Botox. Andre's going to bro talk together.
00:42:16
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Amazing. Well, thank you guys so much. Thank you for being on the show.