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YHM 072 - Brazilian Lymphatic Massage 101
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Welcome to Your Health Minute! Join Max and Calvin as they uncover the secrets of Brazilian Lymphatic Massage with special guest Dr. Victoria Chiappetta, ND.
Discover why maintaining proper lymphatic drainage is essential for your immune system's support and overall wellness.
Explore how Brazilian lymphatic massage aids in conditions like lymphedema and post-operative recovery. Tune in to unveil more wellness gems!
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Transcript
Introduction and Welcome
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Your Health Minute, brought to you by Aqua Omega. I am your host, Max Marion, and with me, as always, is my co-host and moderator, Calvin Morrow. Hello!
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Today we have a very special guest, Dr. Victoria Chiapetta, a naturopathic doctor that specializes in Brazilian lymphatic massage. And I am, Calvin, I don't know about you, but I don't know much about Brazilian lymphatic massage. I know it's trending on social media right now. That's where I've seen it, but that's it.
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But that's it. That's all I know. So Dr. Victoria, welcome to the show. Really happy to have you here and excited to dive into this topic.
Dr. Chiapetta’s Journey to Naturopathy
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But before we do that, I would love for you to tell our listeners a little more about yourself, how you got involved in naturopathic medicine and your interest in Brazilian lymphatic massage.
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Yeah, absolutely. So thanks for having me. I'm excited. And I share with you guys today. I became a naturopathic doctor kind of a little bit of an unconventional path. Actually, I was studying psychology. So a Bachelor of Arts in psychology. And my goal was kind of to be like a
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psychotherapist or a counselor of sorts and then in my third year of university I took a health psychology class and that was kind of all about like how diet and exercise and sleep and all that stuff affects your mental health and that was my first real like
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like exposure to the mind-body connection. And then from there, just kind of like. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Open my whole world. Like my eyes really to actual path of medicine and how it's kind of, I think more helpful for mental health concerns. Like you can't just talk your way through everything. I mean, you can, it's helpful. I'm not getting like not knocking talk therapy, but you know, it's also important to address the physical concerns. So what's your psychology, the psychology path you were taking was going to be specializing in mental health.
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Yes, yeah, for sure, like mental health. Yeah, for sure. So then my original goal when I became a naturopathic doctor was to have a mental health focused practice. And then from there, it's kind of just evolved to fertility, pediatric, postpartum care.
Introducing Lymphatic Drainage to Practice
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Yeah.
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And lymphatic drainage massage is something new. I've just added to my practice in the last year or so because there is just such a high demand for it. And I kind of was getting exposed to it and realized it could help my patients in a lot of ways. So it's something I just recently added to my practice that my patients have really loved.
00:02:55
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I like this. That's cool. Yeah. It's interesting how you've evolved based on the needs of your patients. It's like you have this real passion for helping. You're like, okay, if this is what you guys want and they're interested in, that's where I'm going to go. Yeah, fair enough. I think when you're in the helping profession, you just want to do whatever you can to get your patients where they want to be, right? Yeah, I guess so. It's great to hear.
Understanding the Lymphatic System
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So tell us about the lymphatic system, what it is, what it does, maybe help our listeners understand and then the importance of draining and lymphatic drainage. Yeah, for sure. So the lymphatic system is kind of this like overlooked part of our
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our body, right? We don't often hear about it. We hear about, you know, the circulatory system, the digestive system, but we rarely talk about the lymphatic system, but it's actually really, really important for overall health.
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So the lymphatic system basically is a network of vessels similar to the circulatory system, so like our arteries and veins, and it travels all throughout the body. So we have lymphatic vasculature everywhere, and then there's also lymphatic organs. But for the context of the massage, we're just dealing with the lymphatic vessels, lymph itself, and the lymph nodes. So lymph is basically fluid that's stuck
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in the interstitial space like the space outside the arteries and veins that didn't get reabsorbed into circulation. So it is comprised of just like fluid and then it also collects like waste and debris and toxins and all these things that we basically do not want in our system.
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So the lymph is just kind of like it mops everything up, but it's also comprised of lymphocytes and lymphocytes are a white blood cell that basically can like fight off infections and pathogens and that type of thing. So we have this fluid that, you know, is a collection of the white blood cells and the waste. Um, and it travels in the lymphatic vessels to the lymph nodes. So the lymph nodes are, you know, they're all throughout the body.
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We have about, give or take, 600 of them. And then there's like congregations of them in different locations in the body. So, you know, we all kind of are familiar with the ones that get swollen when we're sick, like around our chin, behind our ears, that type of thing. But they're also like in our armpits, you know, in our groin area, behind the knee, behind the ankle, all that type of thing.
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Did they be anywhere? Could they be anywhere in the body and those are just the most common places? That's where there's clusters of them, essentially. Otherwise, it's the vessels. Basically, the goal of the lymphatic system is to collect all this waste, this fluid that's in the interstitial space, bring it back to lymphatic vessels, and then have it travel to the lymph nodes, which is like a filtering area.
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Um, and then it's drained back into the circulatory system. So back to the heart or, and then it's kind of excreted, um, from the body and urine or bowel movements, whatever. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. That is something that is the system I haven't learned too much about before. So it is designed to, to drain itself naturally. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Signs of Lymphatic Sluggishness
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So what's the significant, the significance or the importance in like getting these, these lymphatic drainage massage, does it help like improve its natural ability or is it just like a booster shot for it? Like it just helps. Improve function. Sorry of getting the massage.
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Yeah, so you get this massage, like you're getting your, or maybe just explain what the massage actually does. When you're, are you stimulating the system itself? Are you fully helping to, so you're just stimulating the system? You're stimulating the system and you're kind of, you're pushing the lymph along.
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Okay. So you're forcing it to work. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So our lymphatic system can get sluggish for like a number of different reasons. And then what the massage does is it basically stimulates the natural movement that the lymph would already be trying to do on its own.
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So does that, does that help it along like long-term or is it just like the instant, like this one session, it helps kind of move things or does it help future function of the lymphatic system? Um, it's not like it, it, the, the effects aren't super long lasting. You know, it is lymphatic drainage massage is something we recommend like at regularly scheduled intervals. Um, you know, because it gets sluggish, like we need,
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consume toxins, worse, we live like sedentary lives, that type of thing. So it can get sluggish again. So it's like, yeah, it's like a boost every so often today. Okay. What's a sign of like your lymphatic system being or behaving kind of sluggishly?
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swelling is, is a big one. Um, so, you know, you get like swelling in your feet or anywhere in your body or, you know, sometimes you wake up and your face is kind of puffy, that type of thing that you're not dreaming. I know someone that gets that regularly. Do I need a massage? Is that what this means? I don't know. I'm curious. Is it very obvious for people to realize, like, is it obvious for you to be like, Oh yeah, your, your system is running slow or like when I'm massaging other people,
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Yeah.
Causes of Lymphatic Sluggishness
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Or if you're just looking at someone. Yeah. Is it easy to kind of diagnose for regular people? Like, could they just look in a mirror and kind of, you know, almost like doing whatever, like a self assessment? I mean, sometimes, right? Like some people, like how, depending on how familiar you are with their face, right? You can look at them and say like, Ooh, you know, your face is a little swollen today, but
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When I'm doing the massage with my patients, I can definitely feel if there's a bit of lymphatic congestion, you know, in the legs, behind the ankles, wherever, right? And what causes just like you mentioned sedentary lifestyle, so just sitting at a desk all day, not moving enough, not exercising, like, like, what's primarily causing this? Is it diet? Is it just the environmental toxins that are like in abundance?
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literally all of the above. So really? Yeah. So for sure, right? If we're not moving, I think that's the biggest one. Um, you know, because your lymph system doesn't have a pump. Like the circulatory system has a heart, right? Which is a blood. The lymph system doesn't. So if we're not moving, it's not moving really.
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Oh, wow. Or not moving effectively, I should say. So that's kind of that, I would say that's, that's a big one, you know, not drinking enough water, not eating a proper diet makes your whole system kind of toxic and sluggish, right? And the lymphatic system has more work to do. So that's going to slow it down a little bit, right?
00:10:02
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If we're putting creams or aluminum deodorant or all those things that are toxic to the body, again, that's going to slow down the lymphatic system because it's got more toxins to sweep up. Interesting. If you get a tattoo, post-tattoo, you should definitely get a lymphatic system trained. Probably, right? Yeah.
00:10:28
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That's cool. So what, what are signs of like your, if it's, what are some of the dangers of having a sluggish lymphatic system?
Health Risks of a Sluggish Lymphatic System
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Is it just like the health concerns that you might see? Like are you, is your immune system compromised or yet higher risk of developing?
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chronic health issues. What are the main concerns? For sure. Yeah. So the main one, have you heard of lymphedema? So lymphedema is essentially extreme swelling that occurs when the lymph system is not flowing well. So
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you know, people sometimes can have like one leg that's genuinely double the size of the other one, right? It's usually a sort of injury or, you know, like health concern with that limb, but it can really, really, the fluid can accumulate. And that becomes, you know, a problem in and of itself, it can be very painful, and it's just, you know, difficult to live with.
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But as well, if the lymph system is sluggish, our immune system is also kind of sluggish. They kind of work hand in hand because we've got these immune lymphocytes, these immune cells that travel through it and kind of sweep things up. Our lymphatic system is sometimes like the first line of defense against kind of invading pathogens, right?
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So, you know, sometimes if you're like about to get sick, you'll wake up and you're not feeling like totally, totally sick yet, but your lymph nodes are all swollen, right? Like under your neck, around your... Hey, you just feel the pressure, right? You feel it, right? Even when you go to the dentist, they do that neck massage thing, right? When you're done, you check out there, they make sure your lymph nodes are in sick. Yeah, they're seeing how swollen it is. And he calls it the neck massage there and he just kind of
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makes an awkward joke and then just rubs my neck. Yeah, so basically, you know, you want the lymphatic system to be working well for you because it's going to fight off any sort of thing that's trying to invade your system, right? Does it correlate at all with like, your risk of developing
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cancer long term or anything like that? Or is there any literature that that would speak to that? Because you hear a
Lymphatic System and Cancer Interaction
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lot of like, lymph issues when people are going through like chemotherapy and things like that. Or is that just because your body's working like overtime to eliminate those, those chemicals and toxins? So actually, the lymphatic system can kind of sweep up abnormal cells, including cancer cells. Okay.
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So you do want the lymphatic system to be working well. It's not necessarily going to prevent cancer, but anything that could become like malignant, right? The lymphatic system can work towards, you know, clearing that out. The cells that kind of spin off and forget to die and they kind of get, they can speak them off and get rid of them. Exactly. But then there is a big concern as well with cancer traveling to the lymph nodes as well, right? Like, you know, we hear about cancer, you know,
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you know, whether or not it's in the lymph nodes, because there's a lot of lymph nodes on the chest and the armpit, whatnot. Yeah, you hear that a lot, right? Like breast cancer, things like that, like they remove a certain amount of nodes, right? Like you, you hear that all the time. Yeah, because oftentimes it has traveled to the lymph nodes as well. Right. So are they removing those lymph nodes to, to prevent further spread of the cancer?
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I think it really depends. I don't, I wouldn't know that. Um, sometimes we already be there. I know like, you know, when we're aging cancers, we stage whether or not like it's in the nodes or not. Okay. And when they're removed and once they're removed, like, let's say you do have surgery and you've removed some of these nodes, does it compromise your lymphatic system at all? For sure. Yeah.
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Okay, so then it would become even more important to get some of these stimulating massages to, to help activate or stimulate the lymphatic system. Exactly. And that's one of the main indications for lymphatic massage is if you've had any sort of surgery really, but especially any sort of surgery that has affected your lymph nodes.
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It took out my appendix. Does that affect my lymph nodes? It does. Yeah. It does for real. Yeah. I was just asking that, like kind of like just in passing. How does it, how does it affect my lymph, my lymphatic system? Um, your appendix is actually like lymphoid tissue as well. I am not like, yeah, it is.
00:15:10
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All right, I'm going to get off of here after and search where I can get a lymphatic massage. What does a lymphatic massage look like? Is it like a regular massage or I would imagine the technique is quite different? Could you tell us a little bit about what that looks like?
Techniques and Preparation for Lymphatic Massage
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Yeah, for sure. It is quite different. A regular or a typical massage is mostly about deep pressure because you're trying to get into the musculature, relieve tension and whatnot.
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The lymphatic massage is the complete opposite in the sense that it's very, very superficial. So the lymphatic system is very close to the surface of our skin. So the movements are very, very light touch. Interesting. Yeah. So you start primarily with the legs or at least the technique that I do, you start with the legs and it's very gentle pressure massaging the legs. And then you work a lot on the abdomen as well, because there's a lot that happens there.
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And so you massage the abdomen, the arms, and then very briefly on the back and the legs, whereas most massages are typically done there. And it's like gentle, rhythmic sweeping motion. So it's kind of slow paced because the lymphatic system, like it travels slow, you know, six to 12 pumps per minute. So we want to kind of follow that cadence when we're doing the massage.
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Okay, you can't force it. Is there a specific way you're trying to guide the lymphatic fluids? Yes, always towards the heart. You're never going to massage outwards. Push down to the feet. You're pushing upwards. Yes, always. You push up towards the groin, the abdomen. We're traveling in the path of the intestines, but then the arms is up towards the heart.
00:16:56
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Yeah, always. How effective is it for people who are like at the point where you would mention where it's like really severe and their leg is almost twice the size of as their other one? Is it still work for them? Or do they need like a different kind of correction? I mean, they're probably going to need other things, you know, in tandem with lymphatic massage, but it's still included. Yeah, it's still included. Yeah.
00:17:21
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What, what can you expect to feel like after I like, let's say I go for a lymphatic massage this afternoon. Am I going to feel any different? Am I like I'm, if I'm moving through some of these kind of like.
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Toxins that are built up in my body. Am I gonna feel Sick or am I gonna feel great? Am I gonna feel lots of energy the next day? Like what's what? Typical typical. Yeah. Yeah what I found most of the time people tell me they feel great I don't know if they're just telling me that but right away. Oh, yeah The word people use all the time is that they feel lighter
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Um, always, oh my goodness, I feel so much lighter. Um, you know, so that's, that's the main response that I get. People tell me, you know, their bloating's gone down. They just feel less kind of, you know, when your body just feels a little bit heavy or like sluggish, they, I will say I have had a couple patients who have like a general feeling of like,
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illness afterwards. And really likely, you know, their body had a lot more to process. So they feel a little bit sick or unwell, just like a detox effect for you know, 24 hours is not long lasting by any means. Afterwards, they kind of see the benefits, but some people do feel ill that day.
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Interesting. So is that just because like all the toxins are kind of getting pushed all at once? It's almost like in bulk or? Yeah, that would be the assumption. Yeah. Okay. Oh, that's cool. You mentioned like, is there any benefit to fasting prior to any of these, these types of treatments? Or is it just, or drinking lots of water? Or like, what do you recommend for someone that's going in?
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You definitely want to drink lots of water. You want to be well hydrated. I typically don't recommend fasting. You don't want to eat a heavy meal. I'll say that because
Traditional vs. Brazilian Techniques
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there's a lot of pressure on the abdomen when we do the abdominal massage. But drinking lots of water is important because you want there to be enough fluid in the body to kind of manipulate the lymph, right? I think that's a general recommendation for just about any kind of massage, right? When you go in, it's like, oh, drink lots of water. You're going to
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Like if there's some toxins or if I'm sending some, some buildup or some whatever scar tissue or something that's built up, you're going to want to be able to flush it out of your system. You mentioned, you mentioned stimulating like at the surface does like, and what came to mind to me was dry brushing. And I don't know much about dry brushing, but it's just, I've heard about that quite a bit. Does that also stimulate the lymphatic system?
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It does. Yeah. Yeah. In the exact same way that the massage would, you know, of course the massage, you know, we're doing a little bit more palpation on the lymph nodes themselves. So it's a bit more effective, but dry brushing is a great at-home tool to stimulate your heart. So you can like supplement the treatments by doing some dry brushing. And when you're dry brushing, is it the same kind of technique?
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Kind of towards the heart always exactly. Yeah long sweeping movements, you know starting on the legs upwards towards the heart always What is the pressure for that? I have no idea. I've never heard of this
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It's like literally just a brush and it's got like hard... It's like a loofah, like a hard loofah. Yeah, a hard loofah. It's got bristles on it and the bristles are hard. Like if you press too hard with a dry brush, it's a little painful, but... Okay, interesting. Yeah, just kind of glide across the skin and it does the same thing. So what's the difference between a traditional lymphatic massage and a Brazilian technique?
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Yeah, so a traditional lymphatic massage is everything I was just kind of saying like that light gentle touch and the sweeping motions to stimulate the lymphatic system. The Brazilian technique differs a little bit and I think that's why it's become so trendy recently because it focuses more on body sculpting and aesthetic benefits of it.
00:21:27
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So still do the same gentle techniques, but then there is more traction on the IT bands to give the appearance of slimmer legs or to to break up cellulite more hands on like more harsh technique on I shouldn't say harsh, sorry, more like intense pressure on the abdomen to kind of slim out that area as well. So people really like the Brazilian technique for that reason, I think.
00:21:56
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the aesthetic reasons okay that makes sense of course that's why i've been seeing so much of it on social media right because it's like if you're a fitness influencer you're always getting a photo ticket if you're a model same reason so it makes sense for those reasons okay it's all making sense now it has benefit like you can sculpt your legs with this type of massage
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Oh, for sure. Yeah, for sure. You know, for a lot of my patients, I'll take before and after photos if they want to just to kind of show in like, in like one session. Oh, yeah, some, some of my patients won't even recognize. Like, no, that's not me. I'm like, yeah, like, it is you go look right. Especially on the abdomen, you can really see it because a lot of fluid drains there, right. So patients will lose like one to two inches off their waist in a session.
00:22:45
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That's wild. Yeah. So if you're like a bodybuilder, you're booking this the day before your show, right? It feels like the right thing to do. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:56
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I have a lot of fluid. That's all lymphatic fluid that's moving out? Or is it just water buildup? What's moving out that's giving you the ability to sculpt like that? That's wild. One to two inches. Oh, right. We're pushing all the fluid that's in the tissues. That's giving you any sort of puffy appearance. And we're pushing it into the vasculature, into the lymphatic vessels, right? Sounds like I need to book some of these before my next V-tree case.
00:23:25
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I'm actually like, well, I got a tattoo. He's like, I have my appendix removed. I saw him with the pen. He's like writing it down. Yeah, he's ready. A lot of people will book it before a vacation, you know, before a big event, like, you know, before a wedding or something like that. Calvin's got one of those coming up. Yeah. Like six months. There you go. Yeah.
Therapeutic Benefits of Lymphatic Massage
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What would you say is the balance of people kind of getting it first aesthetic reason versus people with like lymphedemia?
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I don't like I don't see a lot of lymphedema patients. No. However, I do see a lot of patients that have had C sections or in pregnancy because there's a lot of swelling that occurs there, right? So it's not entirely aesthetic, but it is also aesthetic for those conditions, right? Okay, so so it helps more conditions than just lymphedema. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So, you know, anything where there's
00:24:29
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swelling, right? So, like I just said, in pregnancy, postpartum, there's a lot of excess fluid, right? You know, women get uncomfortable the second or third trimester because there's so much fluid retention, so it can really, really... Right, you see that. It's tough, yeah. Okay. Anybody who's had any sort of operation,
00:24:49
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you know, it's going to be helpful because there's damage to the lymphatic system. What about sports injuries? Anything like that? Yeah, absolutely, right? Anything where there's swelling. So it can be really helpful. Almost sciatica.
00:25:04
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Sciatica, I have one patient. I'm asking for you, Calvin. Yeah, it looks like we're going together, Max. You and I are going to go give them a second.
When to Avoid Lymphatic Massage
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I have one patient with sciatica who comes in, but it's not really beneficial for sciatica itself. There's a bit of heavy traction on the back of the leg, but it's not a specific treatment for that. No. Is there anyone that you would not recommend this for?
00:25:31
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Yeah, so in the first trimester of pregnancy we don't typically recommend it because there is a lot of pressure on the abdomen and everything's new and developing so we just don't want to take any risks with that.
00:25:44
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Um, I, if there's uncontrolled high blood pressure is another time we wouldn't necessarily want to do it because we are pushing a lot of fluid back into circulation. So if your blood pressure is already high, we don't want to increase that pressure because it can raise it a little bit too high. Um, it's not to say anybody with high blood pressure shouldn't come in as long as it's well managed. It's okay. And then if there's any sort of like active
00:26:12
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infection or tumor, we wouldn't really want to do it. So, you know, back to somebody who may have breast cancer, if it's in the lymph nodes, we wouldn't want to direct more fluid to that area because there's a tumor blocking it. So the lymph nodes can't do its job anyway. So we want to kind of wait for them to, you know, go through treatment, have surgery, whatever it is, and then we can support the lymphatic system afterwards.
00:26:38
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So it's like a general question or your last people, because I mean, I mean, some people could go in and not have any idea that they have any type of like heart health issue or, or cancer tumors, right? So it's, I mean, I guess if it's undiagnosed, you're, you have no idea, right? Like you're just going in. So yeah.
Frequency and Benefits of Regular Massage
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Are you able to tell a little bit when, with how they, um, that there might be an underlining issue, like while you're doing the lymphatic massage?
00:27:08
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An underlying issue like as in congestion some type of blockage Like you talked about like a tumor blocking something while you're going that's in the lymphatic system No, so I wouldn't be able to kind of palpate to see if there was a tumor. Definitely, you know, we do Kind of we we do like that's what I'm looking for. Sorry
00:27:31
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Massage the lymph nodes in the armpit and around the breast tissue and whatnot. So you can feel if there is swollen lymph nodes or any sort of like cystic breast tissue, things like that, but you wouldn't necessarily be able to differentiate. But you could make a recommendation for someone to go get a some type of follow up if you're feeling something that's off.
00:27:54
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Sure, yeah. And a lot of times people will come in for the massage because they themselves have felt something's off in the breast tissue. They're like, oh, like I feel like my lymph nodes are all swollen here. And that's what led them to come in in the first place. That's fascinating. How often should somebody go? You mentioned like a maintenance type schedule. What's that look like once a month, once every couple of weeks? It varies from person to person. So, you know, if you're doing everything,
00:28:24
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Well, you're eating properly, you're drinking tons of water, you're super active, you know, you're doing dry brushing at home. You can kind of spread out your treatments every two to three months.
00:28:37
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The reality is most people are not, are not right. We have desk jobs, you know, we're going out and drinking or indulging in foods we shouldn't be, whatever it is. And so they need a little bit more regular support. So my typical recommendations for patients, I would say is once a month.
00:28:58
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And then of course, if there is any sort of, you know, concern, like if there's been an injury, someone broke their foot or like a recent surgery, then it's going to be more frequent. It's going to be, yeah, you know, a session every week, or if it's right, right away post-op, you know, every few days if possible.
00:29:19
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Wow. Does that help with the healing process and the recovery from those surgeries? Yeah. I would assume it does. It does. Yeah. Because it's stimulating the immune system as well. Right. So, you know, it's fighting off any sort of infection. It's helping get past the excess fluid. So yeah, it's going to help. Like preventing buildup from those, like those white blood cells in certain areas. Exactly. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Um, are there, I know, like when you're,
00:29:49
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giving a patient this type of treatment, are there any of the treatments that you offer that have good synergies with the lymphatic massage?
Enhancing Massage with Diet and Exercise
00:29:59
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Yeah, I think, you know, the lymphatic massage is really, really good for anyone. So, you know, we've been talking kind of like immune and surgery and this and that, but I think anyone a massage is going to be, well, the massage is very, very anti-inflammatory, right?
00:30:17
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And the root of all disease is inflammation. So it's going to be helpful for any patients that I'm seeing for whatever sort of concern, right? Sorry, I lost the question. I'm sorry. What was that? Any other treatments that you're like, when someone's coming in to see you, is there any other complimentary treatments that would work well with Brazilian?
00:30:41
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Yeah. Cause you mentioned how if like someone's in good health, they only have to go like every three or four months. So it's like, what kind of recommendations would you say to someone who like just did a massage? Like, okay, go home and you know, don't eat a whole pizza. Or what would you kind of recommend like a good diet that, that pairs well with it? Oh yeah. So I mean, yeah, don't eat a whole pizza. Drink lots of water. Um, you know, lots of fruits, veggies, fiber. Um,
00:31:08
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you know, getting regular exercise is important as well, right? But then as well, naturopathic treatments, you know, it's like, especially this time of year, everyone's coming in for immune system support, right? So supplementation is important as well, if that's their concern, right?
00:31:27
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just supporting the immune system. So taking your vitamin D, your vitamin C, all the things that are important, those are additional recommendations. It's kind of nice that you're an ND who also does this massage. I feel like you don't see that very often, but it seems to pair well very nicely together.
00:31:43
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I think it does. Yeah. And also just like for my own practice, I said I like to or I do focus on mental health concerns. And I found like this is just kind of anecdotal. It's got to have a benefit on mental health, right? Like if I'm just thinking like, yeah, like you're draining out all the garbage of your helping your body.
00:32:02
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like move all the garbage out that can't be reabsorbed. It's like, it has to have an impact on, like if it has an impact on inflammation, it's definitely going to have an impact on mental health. Exactly. Right. So, you know, you're kind of, yeah, you're detoxing, right? And detox is good on a physical and mental level. So, you know, there's that, but then any sort of, you know, massage is going to be soothing to the nervous system in general, right? So, you know, people get really relaxed when they're on the table and
00:32:32
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calm and so it puts them in that parasympathetic mode, right? So any type of supplements or anything that you recommend to help support the lymphatic system? Not typically, I like to focus more so on the lifestyle things. Sure. And then, you know, like I said, immune support will supplement with but I don't typically make recommendations. Any foods?
00:32:56
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No foods, any foods, you know, anything that's going to support detoxification, right? So lemon leafy greens, you know, fruits, vegetables, fiber, like I said, fiber. Yeah. Fiber. Most people are deficient. They don't do not consume enough fiber in their diets. Yeah. Probably eliminate these toxins.
Lymphatic Massage for Children
00:33:19
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That's cool. I mean, I'm sold. I need to add this to my- I know. It was very interesting. I feel like I'm fairly healthy, but I mean, you've definitely got me thinking that I need to build this into my self-care routine, right? Like my overall health and wellness. I think it's going to become part of my monthly or bi-monthly routine and help my wife get some of that as well. Is it good for kids? Should kids be getting this done as well?
00:33:48
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Um, it's, I mean, it would be helpful. Don't get me wrong. Absolutely. It's more so just a concern of what a kid sit for an hour massage, right? Depends how old the kid is. Oh, it's an hour. I guess I didn't even fully understand that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a full length massage, right? Um, so, you know, it would definitely be helpful. Um, but kids are, you know, they're all over the place. Kids are kids. Yeah, exactly.
00:34:13
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my kids love my kids love it they would they would like yeah they come and sit on me and they tell me to give them a back rub I'm like are you kidding me yeah and they watch you do it forever and she tells me how to do it like this there move your thumbs just do it till I fall asleep
00:34:33
Speaker
When doesn't Ivy do that with you too? She gets you to scratch. Oh my god. Yeah, until she falls asleep. And if I get up, it's been like an hour. She's like, dad, I'm still awake. I'm like, okay, like, come on. You're killing me. If someone had a question that we weren't able to answer today, what is the best way for them to kind of get ahold of you or follow your story through social?
Connect with Dr. Chiapetta
00:34:54
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Where are you active online?
00:34:56
Speaker
Yeah, so I'm online or on Instagram, Dr. Gloria, so drvictoria.nd or my clinic space I work out of a clinic in for credit is lakeside natural health is the handle at lakeside natural health.
00:35:13
Speaker
Perfect. Okay. So if this like piqued your interest, you know, that's exactly where you want to go. And you can, you can talk to Dr. Victoria about everything, you know, health related as well as maybe book a massage. It sounds wonderful. I want to thank you. I know it piqued mine. I know. I'm way more interested now than ever before. I've got my notes over here and I'm going to be hitting Google up after to find someone nearby.
00:35:36
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And for all our listeners, if you made it this far and you liked the podcast, be sure to like the podcast, give it five stars and share it with all your friends. Dr. Victoria, I want to thank you again for being on our show. You were a fantastic guest, so informative and well spoken. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.