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How to End Chronic Joint Pain – a conversation with Dr William Moyal
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Stop treating symptoms and start dealing with the real causes
Dr William Moyal is a world renown chiropractor, and the founder of Coral Way Chiropractic Center in Florida USA.
In this episode of the Abeceder health and wellbeing podcast Fit For My Age Dr Moyal and host Michael Millward discuss why people seem to expect that as they age, they will develop some form of chronic joint pain. Dr Moyal explains why his three-point plan will provide a solution for both helping to prevent the pain in the first place and providing a better approach to treatment for who have chronic pain.
The discussion includes
- What inspired Dr Moyal to become a doctor
- The relationship between bones, muscles and the nervous system
- The diseases that can be caused when the nervous system is not working properly
- How someone’s body type and the activities they engage allow doctors to predict the type of chronic pain they will develop
- The regeneration different parts of the human body
- Why we all need to understand more about our bodies earlier in life
- The ideal exercises that can help prevent chronic pain
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Introduction to Zencastr and podcast 'Fit For My Age'
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Made on Zencastr. Because Zencastr is the all-in-one podcasting platform that makes every stage of the podcast production process so easy.
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Use the link in the description. It has a built-in discount. Hello and welcome to Fit For My Age, the health and well-being podcast from Abusida.
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I am your host, Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abusida.
Interview with Dr. William Moyle on ending chronic pain
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Today I am discovering how to end chronic neck, shoulder, back knee pain or any sports injury pain as well from Dr. William Moyle from the Coral Way Chiropractor Center in Coral Gables, Florida, USA.
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Dr.
Dr. Moyle's journey to becoming a chiropractor
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Moyle is originally from Paris in France and moved to the United States when he was about 11 and a half He worked in local hospitals as work experience and decided to focus on chiropractic. He has worked with tens of thousands of patients from 122 countries and over 6,000 professional Olympic and world-class athletes in almost every sport as well as celebrities and dignitaries. He's a father, an author of 18 books, an instructor, an industry speaker
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He's done the lot in terms of chiropractic and has become the expert and has developed a proven three-step protocol which helps to reduce chronic pain.
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Dr Moyle is based in Florida in the United States, a place that I have visited. Next time I go to Florida, I will make my travel arrangements at the Ultimate Travel Club because as a member of the Ultimate Travel Club, I travel at trade prices on flights, hotels, trains, holidays, and so many more travel-related purchases.
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Podcast's purpose and quality content emphasis
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Now that I have paid some bills, it is time to make an episode of Fit For My Age that will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading and subscribing to. One that will also be worth telling your friends, family and work colleagues about as well.
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Very importantly on Fit For My Age, we would do not to tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think. Hello Dr. William Moyle. Well, hello, Michael.
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How are you? I am very well. Thank you very much. And I must admit, every time I talk to someone who's involved in the chronic musculoskeletal pain, I try to check before I start the conversation what pains I may have. And I'm feeling the fighting fit today with no aches or pains, even though I have done some really heavy lifting in the gym this week. So I'm really pleased.
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I'm glad to hear that because it's my day off.
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Oh, that's a very clever reply. Thank you very much. Well, seeing as it's your day off, please could you tell us a little bit about so that the history of Dr. William Moyle and how he became a chiropractor?
Inspiration for Dr. Moyle's medical career
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I was 14 years old. McDonald's had just come out with the apple pie. And I thought I would try it. And went home, ate it. And within a half an hour, started breaking out in hives.
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And my dad was a ah master tailor. Had a lot of customers. And one of them, one of the many, was a medical doctor. And he called, made a house call, gave me a shot.
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And within 15 minutes, the hives disappeared. The problem was that he had told my dad that I should really get off drugs. Now, I was an athlete, never smoked, never drank nothing. It cost me about six months of my life with my dad because he wouldn't talk to me, believing the doctor and what the doctor said that I was taking drugs, which i was not.
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That was one incident that stuck in my mind. Another was there were three brothers that actually sponsored my dad so we could move to the United States. And in my senior year of high school, in January, he found out that he had leukemia.
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And by June, he had passed away. And so... I wanted to become a doctor to find a cure for leukemia because this gentleman had Milton, his name was Milton, had so much influence on me.
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And he was like a second father. um Started volunteering in hospitals, did that for three years. During that time, the staff kind of coaxed me into, you know, you have such a passion. Why don't you drive ambulances and become a paramedic? And I did that for five years.
Chiropractic's impact on health
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And one day I was lifting a patient into the ambulance and twisted and wrenched my back in severe pain. So the owner of the company sent me to a chiropractor, proceeded to adjust me, and one of the adjustments he did on my neck, my vision improved. And it was like, what is going on here?
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What does my neck have to do with my vision? which obviously I later found out the nervous system controls, coordinates everything, every function of the body, every cell in the body, and so started to make sense.
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As a result of that, I changed directions and decided to become a chiropractor because it had such an influence on my body. The rest is history. I mean... Throughout school, I was very privileged to study under some of the best doctors in medicine, osteopathy, chiropractic, one of which was Dr. John McMillan Manel.
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He and his father were the fathers of joint manipulation in medicine, and they were also the physicians to the Court of England. And he had been one of the gentlemen instrumental in the 1960s to get chiropractic included in Medicare.
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What he did, which was to really create new systems, new protocols, and help patients get better, faster, and recover from injuries. And so had a really good set of mentors and instructors and teachers to look up to. And because I had been an athlete, not a great one, mind you, but I love sports, I launched my career into the sports field.
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And as a result, it led me to meeting people from all over the world, celebrities, dignitaries, ex-presidents, and brings me here to today.
Nervous system and health connection
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Yeah, worked with a whole range of of different athletes. And essentially, it's this, you talked about some of the people who've been influences on your life and your career there, and things that they developed, you've developed this three step system to identify the root causes of pain. And One of the things that you said as well was the nervous system controls everything. Correct. And it it made me think like, you know we imagine, I suppose, that we hang off our bones.
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The bones are what hold us up, but it's the nervous system which makes the body work. A simple example is if you have a ah piece of steak and then you have a bone and they're next to each other, well, they don't do anything. yeah If you put them together, they could create a fulcrum in the ability to move. But what really gives it the pizzazz, the energy is electricity or the nervous system.
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So when you put the three together, they have the ability to coordinate and give locomotion. But on top of that, you also need the other organs, the heart, the lungs, the kidneys, the liver, the bladder, the intestines, spleen, everything else that's there, as well as all the muscles and all the other structures within the body.
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Yeah. but The reality is the way I look at the spine is to me, just like the fuse box is in the house that controls and coordinates where electricity goes to in every room and every outlet.
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So does the nervous system and so does the spine. So between every segment of the spine are a set of nerves that go to those specific locations, organs, tissues, and cells.
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And so if there's a misalignment, it's like taking a dimmer switch and turning it down. You have less power going through, therefore less functionality. And eventually the body is going to be overcome because it can't produce the energy to create the function for those tissues in those cells.
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And eventually those cells stop working properly, which then can become a disease. What sort of diseases would happen? Well, if it's the stomach, you could start having indigestion, heartburn. If there's a malfunction of the stomach itself, certain cells are going to grow. And then when they do tests, they're going to blame, oh, it's because you have this in your stomach that you have these stomach issues, which is, it's backward thinking. Like many years ago, there was a ah strike in New York and the garbage was left out for
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weak And what they noticed is that they were rats and all their insects. And well, it wasn't the rats and the insects that brought the garbage. It was the garbage that created the environment for those things to come about and start to feed.
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Very often in in medicine, they have things backwards. They do tests and then the tests show this, but that shows up on the test because something has caused the body not to function properly.
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If it was functioning properly, those tests would be negative or normal. Yes, we're treating the symptoms of one condition which are actually caused by something else correct not working, which is invisible to us in many ways. Correct. You need to find the cause and the culprit, and usually it's a system that's not working, because if it was, you wouldn't be at the doctor's. Yes.
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So we might be thinking, yep, we've got heartburn. Give me a tablet for the heartburn. But the heartburn is caused by something else not working properly, the system as a whole, so to speak. And it's that that we need to get realigned in order to cure the actual pain, the discomfort that we're suffering as a result of the illness. Right. Right. get exactly what you mean.
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Especially here, there are commercials that show people eating ah spicy food and, oh, it gives you heartburn. So before you eat that, take this pink liquid that'll basically turns into plastic to coat the stomach.
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And so you can eat the that food. But maybe for you, you shouldn't be eating spicy food. It just doesn't agree with your system. yeah And putting plastic inside of you, which is going to create more poisoning inside,
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long-term is going to create a bigger problem. Yeah. Instead of just being logical and saying, you know what, those foods don't agree with me. Or like some people say, I'm allergic to this or this or that, so I don't eat it. Well, maybe that's your body telling you that yeah it doesn't want that stuff.
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Like you how your interest in medicine first started with the the apple pie. Yes. That wasn't the right product for you to be eating. It created a reaction in your body. If you had to create... treated the reaction, you would have ended up with longer term problems, but the correct thing to do was not to eat the pie again. Right. It's to really to identify patterns, which really gets into the proven three-step protocol that I've developed is yeah there are patterns to injuries. There are patterns to diseases. There are patterns to malfunction of the body.
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If we look at a football player, let's say a right wing, he has a tendency to favor the right side because he's going to shoot the ball that way. And so If there are certain injuries that show up in that person and we see another right winger from a different team or maybe a a backup and they have similar issues, you can start to assume, okay, that position because of its demand creates certain the demands on the body itself, which then turns into these injuries.
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And so you can now start to create patterns of observation that right winger is more likely going to have these types of things versus a left winger is going to have maybe the opposite.
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And so you can start to almost predict potential injuries before they happen and start to take care of that person in order to prevent those injuries because you've seen them happen time and time again through the pattern recognition.
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Yes. Not many people get to be so like the top league football players in any sport or the top of any sport. But you're saying is that observations of those types of people can actually lead to being able to help other people who, for example, people in a in a job which requires a particular type of activity will have the same type of injuries or at risk of the same type of injuries. And yet most of us don't do very much to try and prevent no those injuries. So people who sit down at their desks all day in specific type of chairs. If they don't use the equipment that they have in the correct way, they are more likely to develop injuries, correct long-term ones, things that creep up on us rather than hit us like a brick. They're the injuries that creep up on us. So education around how to sit at a desk, how to sit at a computer is what people need in order to prevent the and the injuries.
Accumulated injuries and health issues
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Correct. And then the other thing is that people often blame it on age. yeah Really, the answer to that is something that I call the snowflake theory.
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You know, snowflake doesn't weigh anything, but eventually one more weigh-nothing snowflake collapses a branch or a roof. And so the reality is it's not time or the age, it's the accumulation of that thing that you're doing that causes microscopic injury, which eventually becomes a macro injury and finally shows up to the surface. Yes.
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It's all about accumulation. You know, the other thing that's important to understand is that because the body is made of cells, Cells also have a lifespan, meaning that we have new bones every three months. We have a new heart every four months, new skin every 30 days.
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The inside of the stomach lining is new every two to three hours because of the acidity that's released constantly. Liver is new every six weeks and so on and on and on. If there is some kind of damage or like we talked about, the dimmer switch gets turned down because of some nerve pressure, those tissues will not be getting the proper messages and proper coordination of function as a result start to malfunction.
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And so with time, as those cells reproduce, those copies of those cells are not at the master level. In other words, like if I take a piece of paper that's signed and I make a copy and I use the master to make copies, more than likely all of them are going to look like the original.
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But if I use the copy of a copy to make a copy and then the copy of a copy of a copy to make a copy, it's going to lose quality. Yes. As those cells are redesigning themselves, they're redesigning itself based on, am I a hundred percent or am I less than a hundred percent? And each generation is going to lose more and more quality.
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And we blame that on age, but the reality is has nothing to do with age because you have, babies that are born with cancer and you have people are in their nineties and 100s that have nothing.
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So it's nothing to do with age. it has to do more genetics. It has to do more with what do we do and how we insult our bodies. And if we can understand that, then we really need to treat it like a temple and know that it's the only one we have.
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It is. And it is, I suppose, when we reach our middle age, we are paying the price for the sins of our youth. And in old age, we're paying the price for the accumulation sins of our affluent middle age. Exactly. But, you know, i even hear it in in the office. Oh, you know, it's because I'm turning 40 and I'm 67. I look at her and laugh. I'm like, okay, so what's my excuse? I'm 67 and I'm still doing everything. Yes. Okay. I have my aches and pains, but it has nothing to do with that. Even arthritis, all those things, those are things that happen over years.
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Yeah. I look at an x-ray, look at it, even though you're feeling it now, this has been building up 10, 15, 20 years. I mean, look at the bones in here, there's arthritic changes.
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That takes time to develop. It didn't happen overnight. Yeah. It may have struck you overnight because it finally reached the top of the hill and now the pain and all the symptoms are showing up, but it's really been there for quite some time.
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Yeah, I appreciate that. So this proven three-step system is a way of identifying the root causes of the pain and then enables you to deliver a personalized non-invasive
Personalized treatment plans protocol
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treatment. Correct. Basically, it's I call it discover.
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We need to discover exactly what's going on, so we're not guessing. That's going to go through physical examination, maybe x-rays, maybe an mr MRI, things like that to support the findings.
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Then we can design a specific care plan to reverse that. And then the next step is to deliver that care plan so that you get the results you came in for. That we really give you things that you can do that allow you to maintain the changes that we finally made because you're now discovering what caused those issues and And hopefully you avoid that in the future so that you can be as healthy as possible.
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To me, I don't think that people work their whole life so that they can eventually retire and travel and then end up not being able to do any of those things because
Maintaining body function for a healthy lifestyle
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they're sick or they're malfunctioning or they're not able to walk or they're constantly in pain. and That just doesn't make sense to me. no so I've geared the office towards handling those top Things which is neck pain, back pain, knee problems, hip problems, shoulder issues, foot problems, all those things that we need to function as close to 100% as possible so we can have a healthy life. For whatever it is that you enjoy doing, you should be able to do that.
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Yes, it strikes me that this three-step system, although your aim is to remove the pain that people are are having by identifying the root causes, it's it's almost like we need to understand more about how our own bodies work earlier in life so that the work that we do fits in with our body type, with how our body operates. there Exactly. The leisure activities that we do fit in with our body type. The diet that we have fits in with our body rather than, as you were saying, That food doesn't agree with me, but I'm going to eat it anyway and I'll take this substance which will mask the damage that that food does to me, but actually might also cause a damage of its own, which I won't realize for many years to come.
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hundred percent. And you know, that's one of the concepts that I teach is your body is like a machine. It's made of parts yeah and those parts can break down. But if you take better care of them, there's less of a chance of them breaking down.
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Again, even with the food example, Why would you want to constantly irritate your stomach, which then won't be able to digest the food properly? So now the small intestines will have to do the job of the stomach.
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And then the large intestines have to do the job of the small intestines. So you're not really getting full digestive... process And as a result, people start having all kinds of issues with digestion, maybe weight gain, maybe they're not going to the restroom like they should.
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And that creates pollution to the whole body and can create a systemic infection. because you're not getting rid of waste products. yeah I think if we look at it like a race car, the race team is not waiting till the car breaks down. It's purring it up before a race, maybe during a race, and certainly after a race to get it ready for the next race.
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And really, if we take care of our bodies that way, there's a better chance that there'll be less issues and we'll live longer with less pain and less dysfunction.
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So it's not about living long life. In quality. It's about living a healthy life. Correct. The healthier we are the longer that we will live. Because the less trauma your body sustained, the more energy it has to live and survive.
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Years ago, I heard somewhere, you only have x amount of heartbeats. I thought, you know, that's interesting because people that run, they're speeding up their heart like crazy. So are they shortening their lives by doing that?
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I mean, I have a old high school buddy that loves to run races, but his knees are braced up. I mean, everything is just jacked up, but he loves to run and he's actually destroying his own joints.
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And eventually that's going to catch up yes to the point that, and I hope that doesn't happen because he's a super nice guy, but he may end up in a wheelchair, may not be able to enjoy the rest of his life because of all the trauma and all the damage that he's done to himself. And I see that with top athletes too. I mean, even the ones that have retired and been retired that still come into the office, you know, I often ask them two questions. One,
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Would you let your kids play the same sports you did? And especially American football is like, there's no way that I would allow that. And if I knew what I know now, that all those workouts and pushing the weights and all that would have created the symptoms and the problems I have now, there's no way I would have done it.
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Yeah. you know, when we're young, we're kind of dumb. We think we're invincible and we can lift all these heavy weights and push and push. But eventually all that micro damage comes back to bite you and stops you from living a pain-free life and being able to just get up and go in the morning. Instead, most people are in pain and achy, not able to move properly.
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And, um, most of them are on pain meds or anti-inflammatories, which again, poisoning their system, shortening their lives. Yes. What is the ideal of sort of exercise for the majority of people?
Exercise importance and global comparison
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It's like a a piece of machinery. If you let it sit idle, it's going to freeze. yeah It needs to function, but it shouldn't be overused and abused. And so the idea of exercise is really to get blood flow and to utilize your muscles and keep yourself toned and flexible.
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And so one of the things that I've... adopted many, many years ago, probably over 30 years ago, is that you should stay toned and flexible. And so you look at around the world, like people in China doing Tai Chi in the parks, some of those people are 80, 90 years old or older, and they're out there doing their movements and they're flexible and and yeah they're working, they're walking, or even throughout Europe compared to the States, people like in Italy,
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There are spots that people are in their 100 years old. They're still walking up and down streets and stairs. Compared to the United States, for example, according to Mayo Clinic, average 40-year-old is on already four five medications.
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The average 60-year-old is on 15 medications. And people in their 80s are 18-plus medications. I don't think that's health. That's just keeping you alive possibly for longevity, but there's no quality in there.
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Don't shake them. You'll be like a rattle. I'm 67. don't take anything, not even aspirin, nothing at all. I don't get up in the middle the night. I have patients in their 40s that tell me that, man, you're so lucky. I get up like three, four, five times a night.
00:24:50
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Well, what is it that I know that you should know too? Yeah. Treat your body like a temple. It's a machine. Allow it to function, but don't abuse it Yeah, I think the system though, that we live in in, the West makes it very easy for us to abuse our bodies with the the types of foods that we're very often offered. The lack of exercise, the sugary sweets, everything is, it was a whole industry almost dedicated to making it difficult to maintain a healthy, balanced lifestyle.
00:25:27
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Absolutely. Especially in the States. I mean, everybody wants a quick fix, you know, and when you have every other commercial on TV is about a drug and medication that if you have this, take that. If you have that, take this. And now patients are going to the doctor's offices demanding the medication.
00:25:43
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So it's almost like, why did that doctor go to school? People are listening to the commercials rather than to the professional. Correct. Yeah, it's an interesting scenario to be in. You've certainly made me think about the decisions that I've made in the past, the decisions I'm making at the moment, and perhaps the different decisions that I need to make moving forward if I am to really understand be healthy as I get older.
00:26:12
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And the type of food that I need to be eating certainly been an episode of Fit for My Age that has made me think so. Dr. Moyle, thank you very much. I really do appreciate your time.
00:26:25
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No, it's my pleasure. My Thank you. Thank you. Now, you're based in Florida, but yes you've worked in 122 countries. So I've worked in a bunch of countries, but we've had patients from one hundred and actually 23 countries, I'd forgotten Scotland, that have come to the office to get care.
00:26:44
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And just so people know, Coral Gables is just a little bit of a suburb of Miami. So you're available both in the office and also online as well. Correct. We will put a link to your website in the description. But for today, thank you very much. I really do appreciate your time.
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My pleasure. Thank you for having me. My pleasure. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abusida.
Episode wrap-up and resources
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And in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with Dr. William Moyle from Coral Ways Chiropractor Clinic in Florida. You can find out more information about both of us by using the links in the description.
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