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Understanding Peptide Bio-Regulators – a conversation with Kemberley Verbeke
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Helping You Optimize Health, Aging, and Fitness for a Vibrant Life
Kemberley Verbeke is a naturopathic practitioner and peptide bio-regulator specialist based at Avita Wellness & Aesthetics and Functional Medicine in Boerne, Texas USA.
in this episode of the Abeceder health and wellbeing podcast Fit For My Age Kimberley explains to host Michael Millward what Peptide Bio-Regulators are and how using them correctly can enhance health and support a better quality of life.
During their conversation Kimberley and Michael discuss
- The choices people make that impact how they age
- How are health problems are rarely genetic and often habit based
- Herd decision-making
- How to age better with a higher quality of life
- How to improve or enjoy the ageing process such as lean body mass
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:05
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Made on Zencastr. The all-in-one podcasting platform that really does make every stage of the podcast production process so easy. Hello and welcome to Fit For My Age, the health and well-being podcast from Abbasida.
00:00:21
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I'm your host Michael Millward.
Introduction to Peptide Bioregulators
00:00:24
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Today I am learning about peptide bioregulators from Kimberly Fabicki from avita-wellness.com.
00:00:34
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00:00:59
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Now that I've paid the rent, it is time to make this episode of Fit For My Age. That will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading and subscribing to. Very importantly, on Fit For My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think.
Personal Responsibility in Health
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Hello, Kimberley. Hi, how are you? I am very well, thank you very much. I hope that you can say the same. I'm doing great. Brilliant. Please could we start by you explaining a little bit about who you are and your career to date, which led to you being involved with Evita Wellness.
00:01:34
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Sure. My background is four years of training as a traditional naturopath. So very root cause based. i have a wellness clinic with a medical doctor. we do a whole lot of fun things here to help people optimize their health and age better. I'm super passionate about aging because I started out working in geriatrics. I worked in a nursing home for three and a half years. And, you know, I always tell people when you start out at end of life, you know exactly what you don't want.
00:02:11
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And sometimes that's just as important as knowing what you do want. There's an awful lot of sense in what you've just said about you. You have to know what all, almost all the, all the different options are, all the different ways in which our life can come to an end and then realize, okay, what is it that I am prepared to accept for myself? Yes. We don't really have any sort of control over it. All we can do i suppose is do everything that we can to avoid what we don't want.
00:02:43
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Correct. it's it's We can be proactive about taking care of ourselves and exercising and prioritizing sleep and sunlight. And, you know, there's so many things that impact our health in such a big way that we do have control over. And I think that's really the powerful thing to focus on.
00:03:02
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Yes, somebody said to me in another episode that the problems that we have in terms of chronic illnesses are really diseases of decisions that we have made. Yes, 100%.
00:03:14
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ah hundred percent I mean, I believe that so wholeheartedly. you Here in the States, it's very like, oh, that's not my fault. The most chronic and common diseases we're dealing with are things like type 2 diabetes, which we control. but That's a lever we move forward or backwards, right? Yes. You have to take accountability for your health first and foremost before you can do anything. You say that as if you're meeting people who either don't or don't want to take responsibility for their health. Occasionally, i would say the people we see here in our space, they're typically people that do take responsibility and control. But, you know, occasionally I'll have someone come in, you know, say someone that's type 2 diabetic and
00:04:00
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They don't really want to take responsibility. They say things like, ah you know, I have poor family genetics. Everybody in my family has diabetes to which I respond.
00:04:12
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habits run in families, eating habits, not exercising. Everyone has genetic SNPs that they maybe wish they didn't have, but those genetic SNPs can be turned on and off through lifestyle. And so those are choices we get to make every day about how we treat our body.
00:04:33
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Those choices add up to how we feel, um how you know capability we have to handle things in our life, how we age, you know emotionally, mentally, how we feel. There are a lot of controllables there, probably more than some people would like to admit. i feel like we have a ton of control over our health if we if we take the initiative.
Impact of Lifestyle on Health Decisions
00:04:58
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I suppose when we talk about the diseases of decisions, yeah and then you talk about the control over your life,
00:05:06
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Perhaps too many of us are too susceptible to advertising, to convenience, and well, everybody else is doing it, so I better do it as well. Sure. Rather than making the decision that is right for our body shape, ah the genetics that we know about, that type of abandonment, I suppose, or disregard for the information that we have at our disposal, because it's easier to do something else. Yeah, I agree. We need all need to be more responsible for our own health and think about the consequences of the decisions that we make. One of the things that arises as a result of our not wanting to take responsibility is that if we don't take responsibility for it, we end up giving responsibility to someone else. And that is usually very expensive. Yeah. And and I think it leaves people ultimately feeling powerless, which is not a good way to feel over your own health.
00:06:01
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That is so very true. If there is a risk, you need to know the risks. You need to know what it is that you can do in order to reduce the risk or remove the risk. Absolutely. If you can't reduce it or remove it, how are you going to manage it? Absolutely. It's really fascinating.
00:06:17
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What is a peptide bioregulator?
Understanding Peptide Bioregulators
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These are fun. Peptide bioregulators were discovered by Dr. Cavinson in Russia. He clinically studied them for over 40 years at the St. Petersburg Center for Gerontology and Peptide Bioregulators.
00:06:37
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And it's so cool because you know here in the US, we don't we don't do a lot of, a there's not a lot of money in studying supplements, but some other countries have that. And when I came across this research, I was so excited because these bioregulators, I like to think of them like as an epigenetic switch.
00:06:58
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They're capable of crossing over the cellular and nuclear membranes, which means They can bind to the DNA and upregulate the production of certain proteins.
00:07:10
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Dr. Cavinson describes them, the long-term use of these as retreading our tires. And I think that's a really kind of cool, beautiful description of what they do. They they help repair our repair systems.
00:07:27
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They are very tiny little strings of amino acids, right? So we have proteins, which are long strings of amino acids. We have peptides that a lot of people are familiar with, things like BPC-157, CJC, epimoralin, all those beautiful things. Those are shorter chains.
00:07:47
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But these are extremely short chains. They're either two, three, or four amino acids that are strung together. And so that's how they're able to cross that nuclear nuclear and cellular membrane and attach right to the DNA.
00:08:01
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They're science-backed longevity boosters. They're natural. They're safe. There's targeted organ regeneration. We've got clinical proof that you can get results in months with them.
00:08:17
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And they help us age without declining, which is really the, you know, kind of the magic of what they do. I think when so many people think about aging, they kind of think about this slow decline into just this decrepidness and I don't believe that's what we're meant for. i believe our bodies are so capable of healing and repairing.
00:08:43
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And I believe these are a beautiful tool to help us do that. When you say they're natural yeah and they've been studied in various, we've reached an understanding of what they do.
00:08:56
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Is it something that our body generates for themselves? And what you're talking about is supplementing what the body already generates. So yes, to, you know, some, some amino acids are generated in our body. Some are not some we need, you know, we need to take them in and, and these are all different amino acids, but again, just a couple of them strung together and, you know, the body has this innate intelligence.
00:09:26
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You take these and the body knows where they need to go. They know, oh, those three aminodes strung together work on the kidneys or these two work on the brain.
00:09:37
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Our bodies just have an incredible innate intelligence. Yeah. I know what you mean. i just need to, so like try and understand it a little bit in terms of, yeah, this is what the body does with it. The body knows what it, what it needs it for. so Do we know why the body knows? that's ah That's a question like anything we take, right? How does the body know what to do with it? Yes. I don't know. i mean, that's how we were made by our creator. This is true. What I think you mean then is that when we add or when we take something in for a particular purpose because of the research behind it, We know from what has happened with other people that the the desired impact will happen. And when you talk about clinical research, a lot of work has been done into identifying which of the um peptide bioregulators will work best with different phases of the aging process.
00:10:37
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Correct. So there's, you know, 23, 24 different bioregulators that are specific to systems of the body, right? The kidneys, the pancreas, the brain, the pituitary, the the adrenals, the ovaries, the testes. And when you have ah someone that's experiencing an issue in one of those areas, you can take these bioregulators to support homeostasis in that space.
Case Studies and Benefits of Bioregulators
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Right. So does it replace medication or is it a medication or? Not a medication. It's literally just amino acids that you would find in, in foods. These, these, amino acids come from 12 month old calves. So they're a natural source.
00:11:25
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No medication. They can be used in conjunction with other supplements or medicines to help support healing. so I'll give you an example. Thank you. Great. I have a lady I'm working with that had a form of chemotherapy that can commonly just fry the adrenals. So her adrenals were no longer producing cortisol.
00:11:51
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The endocrinologist had her on significant amount of hydrocortisone and she still felt terrible. And so I started using the adrenal bioregulator with her along with giving her some adrenal cortex.
00:12:09
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she has seen a significant improvement in her health. We're excited for her next adrenal function test with her endocrinologist because we'll get to see what work has been done over the past four months. But, you know, noting this was a person when she came to see me,
00:12:29
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said, look, I'm i'm taking as much cortisone as they'll give me. And I get up in the morning, I eat breakfast and shower, and then I have to go lay down. I'm exhausted.
00:12:40
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And I have to do that multiple times a day. I nap for two to three hours a day. i never have the energy to do anything. feel awful. yeah And she's all got energy. She's no longer napping. She's doing things that she hasn't done since before her cancer treatment, she's starting to thrive instead of just existing. And I think that's such a profound thing because we have so many people just kind of going through their life, just existing because they're too sick to really enjoy their life. I totally agree with you.
00:13:14
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And I'm sort thinking those people who are too sick to totally enjoy their life. The sort of illnesses that people in that sort of situation have are very often illnesses which have developed over a period of time and become their normal life.
00:13:31
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So if you ask them, how are you today? They probably say that they were fine because they haven't got to the point where they can understand their body and what it could do and what it should do and what the difference between that and what they are actually experiencing. because These are conditions of decision, conditions conditions of habit that have just like slowly developed yeah as that person has been making the wrong decisions repeatedly, taking the wrong food, not getting enough sleep, not getting enough exercise. And but that becomes their normal life. And unfortunately, they can see other people in the same situation. So there can't be anything wrong because there's all sorts of people who are in exactly the same boat. Yeah, absolutely. little mary creek One of the things that building on that, I suppose, that sort of worries me is like, how would people so see a sign that they need to be thinking about this type of approach to managing their health? Or is it something that comes out of somebody's finally gone to the doctor and the GP is saying we're going to do X, Y and Z. But the other thing is that you need to see Kimberly because she's going to add a different aspect to your treatment. Well, i can tell you most GPs aren't going to recommend it.
00:14:54
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aren't going to recommend this time. mean, I doubt many of them even know about it. or I see people that are like, look, I know my GP is not going to tell talk to me about prevention or wellness.
00:15:06
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Help me with that. I also see people that have been through standard allopathic care and aren't getting better. if The GP says, go see the gastroenterologist. The gastroenterologist says, go see an internist.
00:15:21
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And they all are like, yeah, your labs are fine. We don't know what to do with you. And then they're like, what can I do?
Enhancing Life Quality with Bioregulators
00:15:27
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I need to get better. There are people that are searching. Depending, you know, what i what I would recommend to help them feel better would, you know, be based on what kind of problems they're experiencing. I had a woman come to me that had chronic lymphatic lymphoma and had been hospitalized about six months prior and was given a medication that damaged her kidneys and was now also seeing a nephrologist every six months to make sure her kidney disease didn't progress.
00:16:00
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So she's like, look, I want you to help me do anything I can to optimize my health around the cancer, but also, Hey, is there anything we can do for my kidneys?
00:16:13
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said, well, I have few things that we can certainly try, know, really remarkable studies around them and let's give it a shot. And this woman was so interesting.
00:16:24
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i had labs on her prior to starting any supplementation she had been doing a kidney peptide bioregulator for 15 when her nephrologist ordered updated labs.
00:16:40
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And I was, ah my mind was completely blown because every single one of her kidney markers had improved by multiple points in just those 15 days of taking that bioregulator.
00:16:52
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She now has normal kidney function. Is everyone going to get the same result? No, we're all individuals, but what if we can improve someone's quality of life by 20% or 30%, 40%? That's significant very much overall picture. And when you think about kind of the the decline as people age, I think when people are really serious about their health and really willing to kind of buckle down and do all the things to support health and and truly being well, They can see really significant changes. It's pretty amazing.
00:17:28
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Yeah. It's those descriptions that you give there of the adding in the bio regulator and see the clues in the word really, isn't it? that This is something that will help regulate the function of part of your body. And it's very targeted. Yes, very targeted. And it's there to regulate the performance of that part of the body. You mentioned that the lady who'd unfortunately had cancer and of both cancer treatments, which damaged her kidneys. So she takes the the right type of regulator and she ends up with with very good functioning kidneys. Is that a supplement that she would then have to take long term in order to maintain the performance of her kidneys? Yes.
00:18:12
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I think in most cases, no, people do not. I know of ah a story that Dr. Bill Lawrence, he's a PhD doc here in the US that is currently studying, doing clinical studies on the bioregulators here in the US. He studied with Dr. Cavinson and is currently doing clinical research on them here in the United States. but He talks about twin boys that were brought to him with a retinitis pigmentosa diagnosis. And I don't know if you're familiar with that for people that aren't.
00:18:44
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It is a genetic disease with no cure where you go blind. Right. So essentially the vision starts to to come in until it's like you're looking through a straw and and then eventually the person goes blind. And I think it's ah generally a fairly quick process as well. So these teenage boys were brought to him because they had a mutual, um ah if i remember the story correctly, someone mutual that knew him and the family and said, hey, you might be able to help you with these bioregulators.
00:19:17
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Dr. Cavinson also has imaging and some photos around people with these diseases that they put them on the bioregulator and their sight improved.
00:19:30
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They never lost their sight. But in those cases, Dr. Cavinson said he has kept those boys on the bioregulator because they're just too much that they don't know. And it seemed like a little risky to take them off in the event that it would progress. So there's things that are being learned all the time. Thank God for these docs that do clinical research because it's amazing and it helps everyone. But really some pretty significant
00:20:02
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stories out there about what they've they've done for people. And while it might be, okay, you know, N of one, it still tells you that these bioregulators are, they're gentle, but powerful.
00:20:16
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Gentle, but powerful. And i suspect, but that's because they're a natural product, which our body will will consume in other ways or generate in other ways. So what we're actually doing is supplementing what we already have. Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
00:20:32
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in order to achieve a very specific objective. Totally. The big so like million dollar question then is probably, why don't more people know about this?
Challenges and Awareness of Bioregulators
00:20:42
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My guess would be because lots of reasons. Number one they have not been a big thing over here in the US as of as of yet.
00:20:53
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The U S doesn't share clinical data with a lot of other countries, Russia being one of them. And so it kind of takes someone digging in and being curious, hearing something, and then kind of going after the literature, finding out where they can dig in. And yeah, there's a whole, there's a whole bunch of reasons. And I'm i'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist about that.
00:21:19
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Well, it does sound from what you're saying as if there are different medical doctors, researchers working on these sorts of things around the world. And they would probably work together very happily. yes But there are things like politics get in the way. The financial side of of big big pharma industries might get in the way as well. And i think that 200 years ago, we didn't have the medical knowledge that we have now. So people were much more willing to accept what we might call the old wives' tales, the old old family cures.
00:21:56
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That has late waned somewhat as we've taken on more drugs and we get more used to taking the drugs and that becomes the normal thing. We're going to have to look at what happened with King Charles when when he was talking about holistic health and holistic medicines and things and how people mocked him 20, 30 years ago. And now, of course, we hail him as ah as a forward thinker and advocate for these things as well. so I'm sure everything has its time, i suppose. Yeah.
00:22:30
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Yeah.
Holistic Health and Resources
00:22:31
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it's it's And it's really about you know people being open to, you know i always tell people, I'm not against standard medicine, but what I am against is not looking at the person as a whole unit. Yes. Not optimizing things that are disregarded often by standard medicine, like, oh, what you eat doesn't matter. really?
00:22:55
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Because every single cell in your body is made up of what you put in your mouth. Yes. And we can get people to picture that. They're kind of like, Oh shoot. You know? What did I just have? What did I just eat? What did i just drink? yeah exactly. It's either, everything's either leading you towards health or leading you towards disease. Again, it's a choice we get to make, but i think these, you know, I think these peptides have a ah real role in helping us age better. I mean, one of the coolest things that I read about in Dr. Cavinson's work was that his long-term observational studies were that when he used these peptide bioregulators and administered them over two to three years, what led to an increase in life of life inspecting expectancy of 20 to 40% in elderly populations, particularly in retirees and veterans. That's a huge, huge deal. Yes. But it makes me think that actually because of these, you're taking something which is improving the performance of organs within your body. Not only are you living longer, your longevity is increased, but the quality of the life that you are able to live will also improve as well.
00:24:20
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Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, sometimes you can think like, oh, there are lots of people living to be, you know, over a hundred years old. It's great. But what you want to be doing is living a long, healthy and happy life, not just a long life without the healthy or the happy. And that's what I learned from working in geriatrics. Who cares how long you live if your quality of life sucks, you know? We're great at keeping people alive alive for a long time here in the US, but with a super poor quality of life. Nobody wants that. I've seen it firsthand and it's so ugly. you know i'm not ah I'm not interested. i always tell people, I'm not interested in someone spoon feeding me. I'm not interested in someone changing my diaper.
00:25:07
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No thanks. like I want to be independent and upright and active while I'm here. And I know i have to take responsibility for that. It means building as much lean muscle as I can to protect my bones, to protect my brain, to keep me stable and mobile, balanced.
00:25:29
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You know, there, again, there's just so many ways that we do have the power to control our health if we choose to. this is just one of them. Yeah. You know, it's a really interesting topic.
00:25:44
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I knew nothing really before we started this conversation. i know a little bit more, quite a lot more actually, but I'm sure there's an awful lot more to learn. Where can people go to find out more information? What's your website address again?
00:25:58
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Sure. It's ah a Vita and that's a V I T a dash wellness.com. Um, I have a page there that talks about long, a longevity protocol I do based on Dr. Cavinson's work. It's a 12 month protocol and um answers some questions. People can, you know, book in for a discovery call with me if they have questions, but it's a, it's a really fun thing to work with people on because I've seen some, just some incredible results with it. It all sounds great. you know, Kimberly, thank you very much. Really do appreciate your time today. It's been extremely interesting and you've certainly made me think. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thanks for having me. it's My pleasure. Thank you.
00:26:45
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I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abbasida. And in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with Kimberly Verbecki from avita-wellness.com.
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