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Godzilla vs King Ghidorah (1991)
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Kaiju kings clash in this review! Once again Satsunami is helped by long time friend of the channel and resident Godzilla expert Craigy C to review the film Godzilla vs King Ghidorah. Why is it hard to time travel? Can love blossom between a CEO and a giant dinosaur? And what is this film's fear of forward thinking?! All this and more in the latest episode of Chatsunami!
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami! Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chatsunami! My name is Chatsunami and joining me today is none other than the King himself! And Griggy is here! Well, do you want to be called Godzilla?
00:00:34
Speaker
You had two options here. I go for King Craigys, you think? Yes. So how are you doing today?
Recap of Past Episode
00:00:40
Speaker
Doing very good. Just for the people to remember. Last time I was on here, I came over to your house. I kidnapped you until we could talk about many memes. And I've done the same thing today. I've come over to your house and forced you to watch a movie that I really like.
Co-host's Movie Influence
00:00:51
Speaker
That's true. I just get these, you know, these messages out the blue. I don't even get an option or it's just like, hey, do you want to watch a film? No. And then you just hear the smashing of the glass on the back end and he's just crawling in through the window. No, please, I'd come down your stairs on his jetpack. Oh, yeah, that is true.
Main Topic: Godzilla vs King Ghidorah
00:01:12
Speaker
But before we put out the niche references ahead of time, what are we going to be talking about today?
00:01:18
Speaker
Well today we're going to be talking about Godzilla vs King Godira. I got into the Godzilla films in a big way recently and I've watched I think about 40 of them. I don't know how many now. Let's say 30 to be able to be a casual estimate. About watching them all. And some of them are incredible, some of them are terrible. But overall I think there's three films out of them that you have to watch, right? This is the Japanese ones, so the American ones. They're good as well but they're separate. So three films. Film number one, the 1954 original. It's a classic.
00:01:43
Speaker
I think it's really good. Film number two, Shin Godzilla, which came out in 2017, which is like a weird mix between Godzilla and the sick of it. It's like this weird political drama, but also Godzilla's it, and it also looks really funny.
00:01:57
Speaker
But then the third film, Out of the Free, the one I had to show you, had to share with you, is this film that goes along, it's just getting greater. Unless you have anything else you want to bring up for an intro, I want you just to recap the plot of this film. Because we just finished watching it 10 minutes ago. Yeah, it was in the speed against police. Please, please call the police.
00:02:18
Speaker
Yeah, just before I go into the plot and everything, if you haven't listened to our Watch Along Witch, I'm gonna be honest, this is probably gonna come out before this episode. Because you just have to hear her raw unfil- or rather my raw unfiltered reaction to this album. It is. Oh, it's a film.
00:02:49
Speaker
This is the thing though, I'm keeping the audience on their toes. Much like Godzilla when they drop-kicked.
Plot Analysis and Critique
00:02:58
Speaker
This film is about the dangers of time travel, the atomic bomb and the Japanese patting themselves on the back one too many times.
00:03:08
Speaker
essentially it begins with time travellers who are holograms but they're not holograms we have a journalist who made his fortune somehow he can buy like a huge studio apartment or maybe studios are a word but he buys this huge apartment with these winding stairs but he can't afford a shirt
00:03:29
Speaker
You know, it haunted me throughout the film. But we've got that character. We've got someone from the Japanese army who is BFFs with Godzilla and even gives them a wee nod before getting blown up. I was going to, you know, just say, oh, we're going to go into spoilers, but this is a Godzilla title. Read the title. It's Godzilla versus a flying three headed dragon. No, this isn't like a citizen chain.
00:03:57
Speaker
Anyway, sorry, yes, I still haven't watched it. The meme must fall. I was going to say modern day, but it's 1992. That's pretty modern. Yeah, pretty modern. Yeah, that was only 10 years ago, sure.
00:04:10
Speaker
We're old. But yeah, so this film is about humanity getting visited by these time travellers. Time travellers. Time travellers. And their plan makes no sense. So they go back to the past to transport a mortally wounded Godzilla into the future. Well, later they do. But they try to stop him. Or sorry, they transport him in space, OK?
00:04:40
Speaker
They throw him in the ocean. They throw him in the ocean so he can't get atomically bombed. And then all of a sudden they leave behind three small proto-furbies, which are just demon fuel. You turn around to me and say, oh they're cute. They're like furbies. No, they're just bees because there's no fur. There's nothing like that at all.
00:05:15
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't want to hear about the other, but Godot are lights.
00:05:20
Speaker
So yeah, they mutate somehow, because that's how chemical reactions work with nuclear energy, of course. Atomic bomb
Japanese Government's Response
00:05:28
Speaker
goes off, and you get the T.D.Mated Ninja Turtles. Unfortunately, in Japan, that leads to giant Kaiju's. It's a rampant problem, but we'll get into that. So, of course, turns out this was all a plan by the time travelers. Why didn't they just use their handy dandy future weapons, where they've got androids? You would think they would build a bigger android. Just, yeah.
00:05:49
Speaker
yeah no instead they just decide yeah we're gonna send this three-headed dragon thing in so to counter this the Japanese government and their infinite wisdom now I don't know a lot about the Japanese government or how they do things there but I feel as if this film makes Japan in the 90s seem very not backwards thinking that's the wrong word but kind of not for
00:06:14
Speaker
were thinking in the sense that they think, oh no, Godzilla was gone because we threw him in the ocean. So instead we've got this other monster that can fly, destroy Tokyo, you know how that is, or destroy Japan. What they do instead is they decide to ram Godzilla with a new cubersub. If it was, I'd do an interjective. Yeah, go for it.
00:06:41
Speaker
dinosaur in the ocean in 1944. It's now 1992 and they decide that eh Godzilla, the godzillas, the original dinosaur must still be alive so they're going to bond with the nuclear submarine but in between this time between 1944 and now 1992 he's already turned into Godzilla anyway and then nuclear somebody sent down to try and make Godzilla gets eaten and makes Godzilla even stronger. That was the one that I wanted to interject.
00:07:10
Speaker
So now we've got two monsters and you see about, of course, you have the big fight with Godzilla versus King Ghidorah. No, it's the big fist fight, you know, and I thought that would be the climax of the film. So I was getting ready to wrap up to be like, stay safe. And then all of a sudden they, you know, they have a Godzilla problem now, which is like
00:07:30
Speaker
It's almost like if you have like an ant problem or like a bug problem in your house, so you fire bomb your house. But now you have to fight the fire, which is exponentially worse. So you're like, how do I deal with this fire that is raging in my home? Oh, I know I'm going to get an even, I don't know, bigger roach to stand on top. I'm going to get all the ants together, take them to the future and bring them back.
00:07:54
Speaker
What I'm going to do is shove ants into a fire extinguisher and I'm going to fire them until all of them smother the flames. And you might be thinking, oh Satsu, you're being very hyperbolic here, you're being very over the top, exaggerating. No, no, this is exactly what happens in the film. You see later on that the anti-Godzilla defense force, which probably a thing, I don't know, but they have these futuristic tanks that they're firing at Godzilla. To which I thought, if they had these tanks,
00:08:22
Speaker
they never bring them up until Godzilla's rampage. And so it's like, why didn't you use them against the flying, three-headed dragon? I feel as if there was a step missing. But then of course, they can't stop Godzilla's rampage and you
Futuristic Technology and Dubbed vs Subbed
00:08:36
Speaker
know the drill. And then you think, okay, what's going to happen next? And they say, oh, I know, we're going to resurrect the monster we just killed. In the future, give him lasers.
00:08:46
Speaker
in a metal body and we're gonna fight again!" And it's like, there are a million and one steps. This is a film with time travel, spaceships, future technology, there's a guy with a bazooka line, you know? I feel as if, and this is what we were saying in the Watch Along commentary, I said that it's like you have a pavement, you're trying to like walk along this road and instead of walking on the pavement you
00:09:11
Speaker
immediately go on the road and I don't even know, you start roly-polying down. It's not even you start walking in a sensible fashion, you just kind of zigzag and there's just no coherency. So yes, that is relatively the summary. Oh, and they rip off Captain America. That boy kidding.
00:09:27
Speaker
Well, it was amazing. So you did describe what I think is the main plot points, but also missed out. Oh, what, the Velvet Time Traveler? The Velvet Time Travelers, you also missed out the fact that they have a Cartis, the Terminator, where he's like, wouldn't like... Yeah, there's a fucking car and there's a Terminator 2.
00:09:42
Speaker
Yeah, you were saying that. When did terminator come out in comparison to this? Just about six months before, so I don't know how much of a rip-off it is, but I mean, it's very big. The bit where he's running behind the car is very, very close to the T1000 chasing. The Android is probably the most emotional Android.
00:09:58
Speaker
I've seen in a while because, you know, androids in Bikes to Ancient Skynet, which, you know, if you haven't heard of Terminator 1, please feel free to dig in there, but androids are usually stoic, they're very logical. This one's like making jokes and gunning people down with a huge smile on his face. It's very smug.
00:10:16
Speaker
Yes, that's exactly the word. It's quite unnerving. You know, you're watching a film about Godzilla. When did time travel? I mean, I get by this out of curiosity. I know you're the Godzilla expert here, but where in the kind of films? Because you said there was 30 films. Now, what film is this?
00:10:36
Speaker
Oh, this must be about 20. So what happens is, it's quite interesting. So what happens is they do the first film and a bunch of sequels and in that franchise, it's very similar to what happens to James Bond. Yeah. I think is what my main comparison would be. So like it gets silly and silly and weirder and weirder and weirder as it goes on. And then they go, no, we can't do this. Let's draw a line in the sand. Let's replace Godzilla with Toothedalt and try again. And then they reboot the franchise. They make more films. This is like the Piers Bros era of these films.
00:11:04
Speaker
Think of where it would be in the lightest. This is the dino day. Like this is as weird as it probably got. And then after this I went, no, this is too weird. Let's get Daniel Craig in. Let's calm down. Cool it all back off.
00:11:17
Speaker
I mean, considering a couple of years later, they rebooted it for the American release, is that right? Yep, so this was, yeah, but it's a wee bit late, I think, but it's still about 10 years away when everyone's come out, so the Godzilla reboot was in 1990 or something. Yeah. OK, that's fair enough. But yeah, I don't think this song would have done anywhere without it. Because of course, we watched the dub. I don't know if we said it earlier, but yeah, we watched the dub rather than the subversion, and it is a beauty to behold, isn't it? The actors give it their all.
00:11:46
Speaker
I really wanted to watch the dub version because I think that's like when you're watching a bad movie. Maybe not a bad movie, like a monster movie. There's a certain charm to having a dub on and I know people go, oh well the subs is the proper way to watch it and you're probably correct but I don't want to watch it properly. I want to have the most fun and dubbing it is by far funnier.
00:12:03
Speaker
I mean again, read the title, it's Godzilla vs. Kingland here. You're not expecting high quality from this one. I don't know, it's kind of that cheesy overdubbing if that makes sense. Again, I'm no voice actor but it does seem as if it's very much that.
Discovery and Appeal of the Film
00:12:20
Speaker
Oh no, Godzilla! Ahhh! Tell me I'm wrong.
00:12:27
Speaker
I've got a question for you though, before we start, you know, diving into why this film totally makes sense at first and is a very key reflection of our kind of geopolitical landscape today. How the hell did you find that? I found this list online, it's like just a list of all the films, of Godzilla films. So this says what's in the downer order and then I do want to see if I can find the description of who I said to call back before
00:12:50
Speaker
But basically, I was going through all the films. As you go through them, the descriptions are very plain. I found this Watch Along list, and the descriptions are very plain. Someone was just like, Godzilla attacked Tokyo for the second time, which is like Godzilla Rises again. This is just so if you Google Godzilla Watch list, it comes up with this big list with all the films on it. And here it is. This is the description. Oh, so he rates it highly recommended the person who made this list. Amazing.
00:13:11
Speaker
Time-twisting shenanigans as aliens go back to World War II and replace Godzilla's original pre-meditated form with three cute fuzzy things, which then turn into King Ghadira after the bomb. Godzilla comes back and defeats him but has to fight again as King Ghadira gets brought back in a mecca form.
00:13:27
Speaker
I love how it's just the bomb, not the atom bomb, the nuclear bomb, as opposed to the, you know, you might be confused with like the 90s, early 2000s, da bomb, you know? I was wondering where you were going with that. All the famous bombs off.
00:13:45
Speaker
That ball. It beggars belief. Can we talk about time travel real quick? Because this is something that bugged me. It hasn't seemed to have bugged you as much, but I do want to talk about this because it really bugged me. What do you mean the fact that they all speak perfect dubbies?
00:13:59
Speaker
No, that as well. No. So, put up the film. The film in the future. They go back to 1992. They then go back again to 1944 and get rid of Godzilla. Now, if you're watching any other films, I brought up to you as you know what's wrong. Two films for the do. Town Town Town really well in my opinion. Back to the future and Terminator. So, you've gone back to the past and you've changed the past. There's two schools of thought that will happen when you go back to the future.
00:14:17
Speaker
either get Back to the Future, where reality's changed and nobody remembers what it looked like before you went back in time, like in Back to the Future at the end, or Terminator 2, you've created a new timeline and you don't see the changes. This film doesn't either.
00:14:31
Speaker
So what happens is, let's say they go back in time on October 1st of, I don't know what month it is, let's say October 1st, 1992. They go back in time, they get rid of Godzilla back in time. The events of the film and the franchise thus far still occur, I think. But by the 2nd of October, 1992, Godzilla is gone. That is the point. That's what they say because everyone still remembers who Godzilla is. No one's forgotten who he is. So the plot of the film still happens.
00:14:57
Speaker
I mean, there are films like that, but yeah, I get what you mean. I say it when we're doing the watch alone that it's very much like the best episode of Doctor Who. It's like one of those things that they say, oh, we're going to go back into the past.
00:15:14
Speaker
Take Godzilla, Godzilla, Godzilla, get out of there! Oh god, he's wearing a walkman! Oh god, oh shit! Also Godzilla, we see the Godzilla-saurus fighting in World War II. I mentioned it in the watch-along, but I do want to quickly bring it up again as the amazing joke that gets told just before Godzilla's appearance. Oh, of course, yeah. Basically, watch the film. But the punch line is Steven Spielberg.
00:15:42
Speaker
You fell off so much! This is so weird! Why was this in this fight? Who was that in the race? What do you want me to do here? Make a joke about Steven Spielberg's dad. Maybe it was just a third encounter, son.
00:15:55
Speaker
just so specifically weird. Yeah, the time travel thing was, I mean, in a film about a giant dinosaur and a giant three-headed dragon fighting one another, there was a lot of weirdness in this film. Like, not even like, oh ha ha, it's just weird, just silent contemplating, just sitting there, just thinking, what did I just watch? Why did I just watch? Where did I just watch? Who did I just watch? You know, like, going through all the W's there in the surplus age. I don't know. I feel as if this is in my top 10 of why.
00:16:24
Speaker
isn't that a top 10 of bad movies? Oh no no no hold on. This is incredible. Like good bad films or just bad films? Oh good bad films. This is definitely a good bad film. Because I was going to say you can't put this up with Turkish Star Wars. No no Turkish Star Wars was not a film it was an abomination and I wish we'd never watched it. I mean I keep running this up in all of the episodes but I just wanted to get to it. It's like it's not your phone.
00:16:48
Speaker
I just want to say, Turkey Star Wars was my fault. Like, you know the whole thing. Oh, the accident wasn't your fault. This time it was my fault. There is no hiding from it. I got us to watch Turkey Star Wars because I thought it'd be good. But this film, I wish we'd watched this one instead because it is 100% better than Turkey Star Wars.
00:17:04
Speaker
And it is one of those films that I will say that if you've got friends and everything and you want to watch it, one of these bad movies together with friends, definitely, this is the one you whip out the popcorn and the slag. I do just go to town on it, it is. It's just bizarre because I don't even know if it's right to say that they have all of these references, you know, to other things during the time. You know, as you said, you've got Terminator, you've got the Alien thing. It was coming in the 90s.
00:17:32
Speaker
I was going to say Phantom Menace, well it was 1929. There is, there's a lot of little Star Wars knowledge in terms of how they look. The costumes are very Star Trek-y. And even the ship as well. Again, the 3rd encounters of the 3rd crew. Anyway, the sea was pretty perfect. The 2nd encounters of the 3rd crew.
00:17:56
Speaker
Yeah, the ship looks very reminiscent of that, where it's got the flashing lights, it's got the dome on top. They might as well have had our music going on, but at that point it'd be fair. Let's be better, because we've had our music going a bit poorly and made it my favourite film of all time. Oh yeah, absolutely. Godzilla, he is coming!
Praise for Practical Effects
00:18:12
Speaker
Where? Where? There. But yeah, I end this song. Just cut, cut. But what I will say though is like, as much as we are kind of joking and ranting on this song, I do love the fact that they use, obviously, because CGI wasn't as prominent back then, and if it was, it was terrible. But
00:18:29
Speaker
As with some of us, the CGI in this film. But the practical effects are still astonishing, because that's what we were both discussing in the watchogue as well, which there's so many practical effects. It's like the models of the cities. Godzilla, who's just a guy in a suit, if I'm right to say, just stomps through and destroys buildings. It's fantastic.
00:18:49
Speaker
It's one of the definitely the highlights of the entire Godzilla franchise. This film's great. This film's really good at miniatures and stuff and the work in it. The costume's constantly updated and stuff and you don't notice it when you're watching it, I think. But things like King Ghazirah's, he's got wires attached to him in real life and that's how they move all his heads and the tails independently. It's really complicated how they do this, how they pop up these scenes where they really plan the head. And I think that's part of the reason that the
00:19:11
Speaker
original, I was talking about the original 1954 film, the reason that holds up so so well is the miniatures, you feel that realisticness to it. It's the same what I'll say about Lord of the Rings, like the Fellowship of the Rings probably held up better than most films from that era because they just went full hogging the oaks, like these lights are all going to be real.
00:19:28
Speaker
and so your brain can tell like 1954 Godzilla is in black and white and so they could have got away with like terrible green skin but they tend not to use it they tend to use as much here's a guide song for a miniature as possible and it all looks brilliant for it and this film in particular apart from there's a wee bit of CJ at the end of King of the Heroes, Mecha King of the Heroes got a bit of CJ on them but apart from that it's all very practical oh we made a tiny truck and now a guy's gonna stamp on it yeah it's the two monsters fight and it's actually them just two of the ads in a car park kicking the crap out
00:19:57
Speaker
It's very real and it's very funny and it looks brilliant for it. So I just love that description too, lads in the car. Just the thought that the minuos would blow up the T-Rex and just lie there each other. And just the wee kid would be going like, stop, he's already dead. Daddy, who are you fighting? In a way, son. He just stops the kid and he's like, no.
00:20:22
Speaker
things out of his phone. Godzilla 12 coming in. I'm sorry, Godzilla 50, I should say. Considering there's like 30 of these. Which I genuinely, I did not know because I'm one of these clearly plebeians who doesn't know his Godzilla lore. I know.
00:20:41
Speaker
It's one of those franchises that I do remember when I was younger. I watched the Matthew Brodrick one, which is, of course, considered one of the lesser liked ones, I would say. You know, it's very Americanised. They throw in all the plot points about Godzilla being this rampaging monster. Anyway, so it's not great, but it feels as if in this it still retains its cheesy charm.
00:21:08
Speaker
movies a lot of like people do hate it because you know they're pure as hell but I think a lot of people got into Godzilla because of it like he wouldn't have seen the films otherwise um I was I was later to the party with more the more recent Godzilla films that got me into it the Godzilla versus calling us up there the Warner Brothers ones you need that element of stupidity because these films are inherently stupid yeah players that apart from the first one which is quite which is pretty serious the rest aren't obvious
00:21:37
Speaker
I wonder if the actors and actresses had a lot of fun with this film. It does seem as if they're just acting over the top. The androids especially.
00:21:50
Speaker
It's the limoy in this one. He's just chewing the scenery. Absolutely. 110% he's just like, hello there. He's so happy when he's gunning down those poor people. They're probably just contractors. It's like, hey Jim, do you want to go into the past and see Godzilla on this expedition crew? It's like going into TNG for a minute. If I'm going to reference Star Trek, it's like going into TNG and then getting DS9.
00:22:19
Speaker
Whereas everyone's shooting one another and there's warfare everywhere and you're like, holy shit! I just wanted to see the world. At the end of the day they got buried in the past, which is like a time traveller's nightmare, to be fair. But, oh god, can you imagine that? What's even the prerequisite, do you think? All of our time travellers in this world. Other than the suits, I will
Time Travelers' Logic Issues
00:22:41
Speaker
say. You need to be able to pull off a suit and you need to be slightly dumb, I think.
00:22:45
Speaker
because they're all a bit dumb. But also you need to be evil, because apart from the one girl who's not, because the plot is so evil, like their plan is so evil and so bizarre. So I think mostly you can imagine it with the bureaucracy of Japan, but I think the entire film is just people who don't think about a plan for more than five minutes. Like we would open to the watch them, but she goes into the future to create the Mecha Kengo Deera, but she has a time machine. You can take as long as you want. You don't have to come up with the first option.
00:23:13
Speaker
You could have spent months and years training a whole squad to come back and kill Godzilla once and for all. They just came up back with the first plan she thought of in Fort Godzilla and as the end of the film shows you, they didn't succeed. They didn't kill Godzilla. They could have spent years planning out to fit in. Nobody understands time travelling this far.
00:23:31
Speaker
Because that's exactly what I said to you. What they could do was they could have had an action plan, had them working on this for generations, hundreds of years. Then she takes her time machine to the future. I don't know if there's a futuristic ticket service. It's like number Apple Q78 alpha. I don't know. You're the generic.
00:23:52
Speaker
kind of numbers. But that's exactly what I thought. I thought, oh, she could have done that, she could have done anything. That's the thing. People don't think. It's not even the time travels. It's like people just don't think in this film. It's like, oh, we're getting rampaged by King Goodyear. I keep saying his name and I keep forgetting.
00:24:09
Speaker
But King Ghidorah is just like this, as I said, this three-edged dragon that swoops down and starts messing Japan up. And their solution is not to bring in the anti-Godzilla brigade or whatever they're called, you know, the anti-Godzilla gang. That's probably a meta name for them, but they don't bring them in. They don't bring in the futuristic tanks. You don't poke them on with the use to dig the holes.
00:24:34
Speaker
They didn't even do that. I don't know whether it would be the brick hole, but in fact, no, no, sorry, I take that back because, to your chuckle on there, he steps through the subway. He just... He goes into a subway at one point and the guy fell on. It's a nasty bump because he takes his leg, his leg goes into it and then the rest of him falls. That wasn't like...
00:24:56
Speaker
I don't know if it was planned or not, but it doesn't look planned. It looks very sore. That's the one moment I got taken out of the phone, so I was just like, oh, that guy in that suit must have a bad knee now. And he just kept falling.
00:25:07
Speaker
Do you want one? This is great. There's a stupid scene where God's always fighting against Mecha, King Ghidorah and everything. It's like, oh yeah, you ran away. One of the extras is laughing as you pointed out, having a ball. You get the scene where there's like a camera crew, or rather two chuckle foxes.
00:25:32
Speaker
in a building. It's like a news team or something. Yeah, well, yeah, but they're right behind Godzilla in this building. They're filming out of a pane of glass, which I pointed out to you, and we just have their reflection and that heavy breathing. They're not on a tightly high floor. No. When it looks at it, it's like floor 10.
00:25:50
Speaker
I mean, I made like a very crude joke about the fact that they're just filming Godzilla's butt hole at this point. It's not even, and again, you know, that's very lowbrow. I had to film these butt, but genuinely, like they're on level with these tail, which means that they are no higher than these butt cheeks.
00:26:06
Speaker
So what were they filming? Even if they looked up, his bum would still be in view of the camera. He had his back to him. What were they hoping to achieve? You know how you get these actual journalists that go to these very dangerous areas of the world and they put their lives on the line? Guys, I don't think it's worth it.
00:26:24
Speaker
Okay, they could be honest. Not if you're getting that camera angle. If you were on the roof and you got like the Godzilla face as they go past, then maybe that would have been worth it. Yeah, on the roof or something. Yeah, but not from that level. No, it's like, can you imagine some metal mat for that?
00:26:42
Speaker
talk about the um the ceo such one so what the dinosaur had at it so the paleontologist the one who denies any compatibility of it like a dinosaur you saw no dinosaurs here right so so sorry at the start of the film there's a conspiracy that these people saw a dinosaur in world war two so the the journalism has been captured sorry just off topic i love how like that's up there with like did they land on the
00:27:09
Speaker
Did the Japanese see a dinosaur? And I love how we said this, and neither of us laughed, because it's that normal a plot point, but it's not. And everyone knew there was like, if there's any other film if you watch them saving private ride in a dinosaur turtle, you'd be freaking hell out. But this is so weird, this film that we're just fine with that.
00:27:29
Speaker
and dinosaur statues.
Emotional Moments
00:27:30
Speaker
So they go back in time and they go to World War Two and the CEO is in World War Two as like a commanding officer and he gets saved by Godzilla-saurus and then Godzilla attacks and back in the future Godzilla in the present sorry Godzilla is so confusing back in the present Godzilla attacks Tokyo I think it was and he's there and he refuses to leave his office and he's on the phone
00:27:50
Speaker
he walks towards the window and he's walking towards the window who's walking past but Godzilla and they meet eyes and they have like an emotional moment to them nod at each other like if they do like a bro nod really you just put you should have put his fist up to the glass because they've Godzilla fist bumped them it does feel like a fishy damn it at night moment
00:28:09
Speaker
If he just bursts into back of me tie right there and then as he's getting blown up. Yeah, and then Godzilla kills him anyway. But that is a dick move from Godzilla, by the way. Like, yeah, just going back to that scene, he does the nod and I fucking love that. I love that. The fact that he had the guy on the blowback, we were joking a bit like Breaking Bad, where it's just like, Mr. President, Mr. President, get out of there! Get out of there!
00:28:38
Speaker
It's just like, oh god, oh crap, he's got his walkman in, oh no! And of course the president, very somber moment, he gives his nod. Yeah, for some reason, but I'd be crying. Yeah, it's about what was about to happen to me. Yeah, a bit like he nods, he does that. And you know, Godzilla. And Return goes... and nods. He puts them up and it's like, tech move! Can you imagine going to the shops, right? You see someone...
00:29:07
Speaker
He sees someone, right, okay, who he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's
00:29:37
Speaker
Why would you do that? You can't exactly say, oh, because Godzilla is this rampaging monster, because he's clearly sentient, he clearly recognises it, and he's just like, oh, I can't let people know that I'm Einstein. Or maybe he got jealous, maybe it's all the, you know. He's like, oh, I see.
00:29:57
Speaker
it's so weird and this film is so weird that i feel like we're gonna end this episode and go damn we didn't mention i don't know i can't even think of what it was in his film what the jet packs or we didn't mention jet packs we didn't mention the magic school bus matching course
00:30:12
Speaker
the guy's suit was made up. There's so many like, they didn't mention the fact that the girl was showed she was going to, so the main woman that was in the time traveller team, she betrays them and then gets left alone with the android for some reason, unplugs his brain, replaces his brain with her CDs. I assume were actually programming and also probably her high school mixtape. Plugs it into his head. And smash bros.
00:30:58
Speaker
and then he tempted and he's basically playing Doom the whole time.
00:31:03
Speaker
going with us and then he turns out down the corridor and it's the guy in the film doomsday and all he hears is like the du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du du
00:31:27
Speaker
I feel like a lot. It's one of these songs that, years later, I'm going to bring up in conversation and be like, or no, even worse, I'm going to be like, oh, I remember Godzilla versus King Ghidorah. And you're like, you're like, that was, that was like 20 years ago.
00:31:44
Speaker
20 years ago that you watched the song? No, because that was actually a running joke. I won't go into the details of the joke itself, but it was a running joke that I keep bringing up to you about one of our friends. And I remember bringing that up and I was like, oh, friend X is great. I know he'd rather bring it up. And you were like, yes, he should. It was nine years ago. And I was like, what? I was like, no. When you get older kids,
00:32:13
Speaker
It really does. Much like Godzilla. Although the film felt as if it was racing by, there were so many fakers. Before we finish up, could we just talk about how long it
Pacing and Action
00:32:26
Speaker
took? I've seen this was the biggest cinematic foreplay I've ever seen. It was about 40 minutes, maybe? 30? 40? Until we got to see Godzilla-saurus at least.
00:32:37
Speaker
Yep, that's one thing I do want to point out. When you recap the plot you started with, they go back in time and get rid of Godzilla's. That is 40 minutes into the film. We started and watched people in boardrooms for 40 minutes.
00:32:50
Speaker
Oh, it was so poor. They're not boring, but like... It does have a couple of amazing gags, such as, the time travels proves the time travels by giving the journalist the book he's currently writing. Finished! That was fantastic. That was a weird pop. And of course, the journalist has a shirt on whenever he goes outside. But of course, when he's in his own home, they like... I mean, it's a bit like, if you've ever played heavy rain, you know, at the very beginning of that, you play as this dad in this house with huge windows, and you never, like, throw the whole thing. You never put a shirt on.
00:33:18
Speaker
and told you, like, get washed and you get changed and everything. And it is. It's like the same with this guy. He's just... Come on, get out. Oh, and the shoulder pads, of course, on the Android. There's a lot of fashion. There's a lot of fashion to talk about in this film. But they definitely explain the Android. Well, I know Future and Terminator, and that's about the kind of crux of the argument.
00:33:38
Speaker
I feel like it's quite Star Trek-y as well, it feels like the audience. I don't know, I can't pinpoint a specific Star Trek face or whatever, but it feels very next generation. Like especially for the weapons, and I could be getting my timelines mixed up here, ironically, but the guns themselves look like 3D printers.
00:33:58
Speaker
the TNG forums or like Deep Space 9 because Deep Space 9 probably would have been around this point maybe later but you know it's that kind of era like 80s 90s. Visually it reminds me a lot, especially the inside of this time travel machine.
00:34:13
Speaker
a lot like the Enterprise. Yeah it looks a lot like the Enterprise, a lot of the same kind of like thick bubbles. I don't know if that's a joke to have that look but it does remind me a lot of the Enterprise. It is very futuristic but it's like what kind of motif do you want? Like I joked and said it's like you know an Ikea store room. It is like what motif do you want? It's like we want everything very plain. Very
00:34:39
Speaker
We just want bubble, as you said, bubble screens. We want GameCube discs. I know they're not GameCube discs, they're like compact discs or something. We want compact discs to enter the Android. It's like, why are you doing this to me? You're watching them all. Why? And again, that is an excellent point. It's the fact. 40 minutes of name.
00:34:57
Speaker
Talking about Godzilla. Talking about them saying, how are we going to take down Godzilla? What is Godzilla? Do they have a contextualized Godzilla? I just assume you know what it is. Yeah, to be fair, it is quite an iconic character. But yeah, it's like, oh, who's Godzilla? Why Godzilla?
00:35:15
Speaker
It wasn't until we watched it back that I remembered any of those 40 minutes happened. Really? Because my brain just asphyxiated on the time travel plot that until they start time travelling, I forgot that entire film happened. There's just a lot of, as you said, there's a lot of talking. Don't get me wrong, it's something like Star Trek, that's what you expect. You expect that kind of dialogue.
00:35:34
Speaker
peaceful moments and things, but again, read the title. It's Godzilla against bloody King Ghidorah. And then, of course, as we said, there's the puppeteers under the floorboards that probably got paid a bit. I was going to say piloting them. I don't know. Puppeteering. I have a film review here that I'd like to read it. Oh, please do. This is from Wikipedia. Film historian and critic David Collat wrote, Despite its shortcomings, a logic and over-popular cast, Godzilla versus King Ghidorah is crammed full of ideas rich
00:36:07
Speaker
most complex emotional manipulation ever to grace the series. I agree with part of that. I agree with most of it. I mean the word the logic is what I do.
00:36:19
Speaker
I mean, emotionally, no. And I don't know if that's like the dub or the sub kind of issue, because don't get me wrong, I remember recently I had reviewed an anime series and I went back onto, you know, you should recap myself, and I ended up finding all the dubbed versions. I was like, oh, I can't believe that, you know, it's on here, I can listen to it. And it is one of those animes where the sub is like far more emotional than the dub. So
00:36:47
Speaker
I don't know if maybe the emotion would have carried on. If it makes you feel like I watched the sub one originally. Or was it not? It does not help. It does not make a damn bit of difference. You know, I'd like to retract my statement. I wanted to see how far you'd go. I originally watched, the sub was the first one I watched and they're both available on the internet archive. So I watched the sub. Subtitles first and yeah, it doesn't help. That's a shame. Yeah, you would think that it would have been
00:37:15
Speaker
maybe emotionally more recent than I don't know. Again, as I said, because I said this to you and you said don't bring it up, but it's the fact that again, going back to the time travel thing, they really don't think it through because they're like, oh, imagine coming back to, well, it's back to 1992. So it's like a couple of centuries behind and they're coming from the year 2204 and they're like, why 2204? I don't know why it's so specific because you would say 1.2240.
00:37:44
Speaker
and then they brought it back again it was like 2204 which seems very... if it was 2202 I could kind of understand because you know 1992 is when this home set and then they go back to 1944 which obviously I mean are they doing it from the war?
00:38:01
Speaker
They come back and then they all, you know, get along and they speak properly. And I get why they do this in films. It's obvious because they just want the plot going along. They don't want the huge linguistics lesson. But it's like, can you imagine people coming back from the future and they're like, oh, totally tubular, dude. And it's like, what does this mean? And they go, oh yeah, Japanese linguistics, of course. And I just laugh at the fact that you think that people would come back from the future talking like they came out in the 90s.
00:38:28
Speaker
No, it's the opposite. They meet some of the natives like, whoa, time travel. That's totally radical, dude. It's like, no, no, we're not radical. We're actually fairly central.
00:38:40
Speaker
Or, of course, if it is, say it nowadays, it's like, oh my God, I think Godzilla's a bit sus, don't you think? Man, that's truly sussy, Bugatti. And it's like, I have no idea what you are saying to me right now. The androids are truly saucy in this film, isn't it? But there's two of them. See, this is a thing. But then there's three of them, because there's the main androids, and then there's Jedwood. And then he comes up here. I thought they were just humans. I shouldn't do an androids, because they weren't shoulder pads.
00:39:08
Speaker
That was my logic! See, this is a thing that's really irritating about this film because that's what I was saying to you in the watch-all, and I said, you know, they couldn't have slapped a sticker on the side of their face or made them more distinguishable because I kind of made the comparison of Alien, for example.
00:39:23
Speaker
And I was like, well, with Alien you have... It took me a long time to have Alan Sanderson as the android bishop and everything, but he plays it in quite a very stoic way. You know, it's like he moves quite rigidly and he's got his facial features. He's not smiling when he kills people. Also it helps that everyone around him in the film is animated. Yeah. Part of it is also the main time travellers are also kind of stoic in the film. It's harder to pick at someone who's weird when everyone's weird.
00:39:50
Speaker
Yeah, it makes no sense. And I know that's the tagline of this song. Godzilla vs King Ghidorah. It makes no sense. But yeah, they don't even do anything to distinguish that. I didn't even know they had a crew. Like at the very beginning when they introduced them, they did the hologram thing where they were like, ooh, holograms. And I'm like, God, we're okay to go
00:40:12
Speaker
And then, of course, once they get to Godzilla, they have the androids, and they have like a kind of skeleton crew, and you're like, hey, okay, it's three time travellers and they're androids, okay, I can get on board with this. But then by the end, when they try to blow up the time machine... So I totally said this is in a row. I know, but it's like, they have this whole crew of security people getting gunned down by, what's his name, like... The ambulance? The ambulance? Yo, this one was so bad that I completely forgot the name of the one in Blade Runner.
00:40:41
Speaker
You know, it's like, can you imagine Blade Runner being stayed with him? He's like, haha, like tears in the rain. He just guns him down. Having a good time. Yeah, up here, up here. He's so happy coming down people. I don't keep going back to that. I love how this is the thing that got you going up and not like anything else in this film.
00:40:57
Speaker
Yeah, do you know what's amazing about this? The fact that we've like ranted about this film and the majority of our problems don't come from the gods above, yes? King Gododa, because that's kind of a testament, isn't it too? Yeah, those moments, that's a picnic. All the Godzilla films, whether that's the Japanese ones, all the modern ones, they all suffer from that same thing, which is everyone wants to see the fights and the rest of the film is just you're looking at your watch. That's always going to be the case, right? That's how monster films are done.
00:41:23
Speaker
People don't really care about humans. It's really hard to get to care about humans. I mean, it's like recently, a couple of months ago, I think I watched Pacific Rim 2 for the first time, which mistake number one. But, you know, there's loads of interpersonal drama between the characters. It's like, oh my God, you left the core. How could you win all of this? And you know, there's all this drama and things in your life. I physically don't.
00:41:44
Speaker
There's massive kaijus that can end the world down below. There is world ending stakes, there's everything like that. And you want me to care about human drama? I get enough of that in my real life. I don't need to end it. It's the same with
Final Thoughts on Strengths and Weaknesses
00:42:00
Speaker
that. It's like, oh, the guy getting depressed in his book doesn't sell well. And then there's like, I know that's a character trait I should be concerned about. I should be sad this old Imperial Japanese man's getting more down.
00:42:12
Speaker
But I don't. It's funny enough. I know they have. That's one of the jokes I made to you where they are getting these Japanese soldiers in this cave are getting bombed. I know they have this rousing speech about, we will fight them, we will defend the motherland, like they're words not mine. And they say, oh, this stuff. I was like, if I was getting bombed, they're getting thoroughly bombed because I think the real tragedy here is the amount of trees they must have blown up.
00:42:38
Speaker
I kept it short, so I was like, this is just so sad for those poor trees. They're probably growing bad by now, but it's like, really?
00:42:46
Speaker
So, yeah, it's a film of two halves, I would say. Like, if I was honestly to summarise this film, I would say it's a film of two halves where if you're here for the Godzilla stuff and you're here for the King of the Lotus stuff, absolutely fantastic. The practical effects are amazing. The effects, although, you know, cheesy and rubber suits, they're fantastic. It's really cool to see that impact that, you know, Godzilla has when he's fighting. But if you're in it for the Japanese Bureau, I'd say.
00:43:14
Speaker
I'm going to be honest, that's not, probably not the film for you, but like game them in summary, what would you say? Time machines, dignisores, jet packs, terminators, opening people's heads to put discs in them, Godzilla, a few-headed dragon's pets, a guy's book that doesn't sell very well matching uniforms, the little suits.
00:43:36
Speaker
I'm just listening, I can't summarize this film because I just want to list what was in it and that wasn't even all of it but incredible film. Truly, truly as you mentioned earlier, don't go into expecting a classic, get some mates food in, get some food out, listen to our watch alone and enjoy yourself because this film is meant to be enjoyed, it's not meant to be watched.
00:43:56
Speaker
I mean, it was a bit like... Citizen Kane. No, Citizen Kane is... I don't like Citizen Kane actually, I don't like Citizen Kane. I feel like never can't watch Citizen Kane because I made such a big joke about it. I'm like, can I? You can't watch Citizen Kane because you've seen this film. Exactly. Which is vastly superior in every way it's up, so. Exactly, so. It's just ruined every time. Every time, you know, I'm watching, I'm eye to eye with Citizen Kane. I'm just thinking it goes over. It didn't mean anything. My time travels with nothing.
00:44:26
Speaker
No, it was more like, and this is, of course, dating the episode, because when we're recording this, it is probably going to be Halloween soon, which by the time you listen to this, it is way past Halloween, so apologies. But I remember there was one time that I had gone, you and I were at a Halloween party, and the... I was so nervous.
00:44:46
Speaker
No, no, no, no, without, you know, going in depth into it. But the problem we watched was Drag Me To Hell. Oh, wow. This is in my house. Yeah, it was. That's how far back it goes. And this is like 10, over 10 years at least. Yeah, 10, probably close to 15 years.
00:45:05
Speaker
It's just the reason I remember it was because I remember you'd put it all in and there was a large group of people we expected that it was going to be, you know, the scary film or whatever. And obviously it turned out to be like a terrible horror film. But what made it so absolutely brilliant was the fact that we're all just roughing on it. We're all just together. We had all our Halloween snacks. We were amongst good company, you know, and that's exactly what this came about.
00:45:28
Speaker
What it is, is that cosy? Watch it. If you're having a bad movie night, definitely put it on the list. It's terrible with some bits, but as soon as you get to the absolutely insane stuff, absolutely. Watch this film. Cannot suggest it enough. It's hard to say that with a straight face, but if you like Godzilla, if you like really terrible cheesy action films, go watch it. That's really the crux of the art. I think that's the crux of the episode. I think I can't tell a bit in that.
00:45:55
Speaker
And, yeah, on that note, thank you all so, so much for listening to this episode. As we said throughout the episode, if you want to listen to our Watch Along, which was a lot of fun, yes, the second time we broke into that was to make me review something. But, yeah, if you want to listen to that, it should be up on our website, portepage.com forward slash chat tsunami. Or if you'd like to listen to any of our past episodes as well on there.
00:46:19
Speaker
or your Handy Dandy podcast apps. Yeah, just check us out on Spotify, iTunes, and really any good podcast apps. And yeah, much like God's himself, don't forget to stay safe. Awesome. And most importantly, severely, severely hydrated because he gets buried in a lot of water in this world. Then listen to me. Sorry. No, you've done the outro. Don't go over. Take care. Take care. What I've done.
00:46:50
Speaker
Don't answer my Michael V.