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Tea Break - Animal Kingdom Wrap Up!
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We talk all about the last arc of the campaign and have spoilers for future ones too!
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Introduction and Theme Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everyone, welcome back to Rolling Crested Pond. We are doing the wrap-up tea break that I know is for Animal Kingdom and you know this news that is for Animal Kingdom because we put it in the title! I remember this and I don't know why I recapped those names, but it is what it is. So, yeah, I'm a creature of habit. I said it again. Sue me. I'm your GM Jesse, by the way. Actually, I'm not GM today. We're not playing today. We are hanging out. We're going to talk about Animal Kingdom. I have the four, three, including the core four that were part of it. We we don't have Sam today and we don't have the
00:00:42
Speaker
um the special guests that have joined us, which is a bit of a bummer, but you know, we wanted to get this done and we, we saw that we really released the last episode. So here it is.
Guest Absence and Tea Break
00:00:54
Speaker
And we'll hopefully, you know, maybe you talk to them at some point in the future. Who knows? Until then, like I said, I'm Jesse and I'm with Lee, Luke, and Avita. Say hi to everyone. Hi, everyone. and And you stole my joke. I was going to say, it you oh, sorry. Go. You can say a Canadian. Go for it. Follow it with a. No, I'm too Canadian to steal a joke. I'm too Canadian. I'm too polite. That's it. I'm just brutal because I'm British. So to keep us on a little bit of a track.
00:01:27
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We are going to
Recap of the Last Arc
00:01:28
Speaker
talk about probably the last 10 episodes, 13 episodes I think it is, of the um I guess the last arc where Davida and Luke's characters, Hava and Rita end up at the camp and and Goro and Mike's character, Jackson, end up trying to find them and and and going towards the Beyla kingdom. Now, we're not going to do it in detail right now. We're going to kind of just do an overview of the the recap of the 13 episodes. There's a lot of ah things we could probably ask. We'll throw a few things here and there out that are specific. Obviously, we don't want to miss anything.
00:02:16
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But yeah, will well, let me pull out the questions or does anybody have a question that they're ready? I just want to say that I'm so happy to be here. And I miss this
Reflecting on Campaign Duration
00:02:28
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group. and like This is of the four core you know the core And you know I'm just very happy. And I just can't stop smiling. so It is pretty funny. like It is like the core four. And it has, like just before we were recording, Jess has said, like this has been going on for like four years. That's insane. That is literally insane if you think about it. I can't wrap my head around that. That's mad.
00:02:52
Speaker
yeah Yeah. I mean, we could have gone for another four, but you got a job. Well, I now have more, I now have more free time to do this now. Oh, okay. well Just saying is all. Just saying. It's been about two years since we finished.
Explaining the Lengthy Finale Episode
00:03:08
Speaker
Yeah. No, we finished last year. Yeah. I think we finished last year. It's just a long process. About a year since we finished the the finale. So. We took like a six month break. a six yeah yeah yeah Yeah, it almost felt like two years, but yeah, no, there was really big gaps.
00:03:27
Speaker
It's just's just a quote, Jurassic Park. Life finds a way to mess everything up. So he had to take six months and finish it. And it was sick. It was really cool. So yeah, it's kind of reminiscent of seeing all these lovely people in front of me on this camera. That's kind of why the just listeners, that's why the last episode is so long because it's actually three episodes meshed into one. Different reasons why, but yeah, that that Was like, okay, we have lee for the short amount of time. Let's let's utilize it And that's that's also why we didn't we stopped doing tea breaks for so long and yeah, like 15 or 16
Favorite Unexpected Moments
00:04:07
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episodes. We don't have tea break for because yeah it Exactly hard enough to find times to actually just record the regular episodes that were like we had no time to do and sam was going through a lot so yeah, and yeah, and and lee's work kept on getting in the way so it's just like
00:04:22
Speaker
we you know it it was it was it is it is what it was like it was what it is it it is not what i'm saying yeah hundred percent fifty and and we just weren't able to do it but i'm glad that we're able to do one final tea break just to talk about everything because there was a lot that happened in those last episodes yeah yeah yeah yeah so let's get into it i would like to start well i guess i what i want to start and kind of finish with after we kind of reminisce because i know a lot of people start with like or like they want to talk about their favorite moments and their release favorite moments but
00:04:56
Speaker
I think it's good to like start that way and then as we remember things at the end also end that way like end to see like actually you know what that reminded me of this and actually that's my favorite one. So what were what was a favorite moment of your character of a campaign of another person's character that you can think of right now and then we'll do it again at the end. Yeah. Um, uh, I'll go first. I've got one. Um, have a light trying to kill Goro by teleporting him like with an undead dragon. That was really cool. That was one of your favorites. Yeah. Because I was like, that was like a, it was like a nightmare moment. Cause I was like, Oh, like I'm going to die here. This is not ideal. Um, run, run. It was basically reenact in Jurassic park. Just try and stay alive. My biggest, one of my biggest regrets, not the most biggest, unfortunately, but I'm going to No, that was probably one of my favorite moments because it was just kind of like, oh yeah, just use a marble. What's the worst thing that can help? No, that just took a horrible U-turn. Like, great. But that's, I think that's like storytelling in D and&D and totals. Like you think everything's under control and then side quest, like it's just great. You know, it's awesome. Yeah. Pretty fun. That was one of my faves.
00:06:13
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Nice. I was listening
Epic Moments and Laughter
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to the episodes. I was, trying okay. A lot of times like me and, me and or I share a room and sometimes we go to bed at different times, but I was listening to it. We'd been talking and I was like, okay, go to sleep. I'm going to listen to this a little bit more. Cause I wanted to listen to everything before our, our recording today so that I freshen my mind. And, and of course I press play and it's the most, one of the most epic moments I feel like in the whole show. I mean, the whole season or whatever. Hava throwing the fireball in the pyramid. oh And I just start cracking up. but I'm like, I'm sorry. I know you're trying to sleep, but I just I couldn't even like hold my own laughing because I was like, this was so epic. that
00:06:55
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is yeah a good part That was definitely one of my favorite ah moments um because it was just so like epic and like the just wild crazy chance which I'm gonna have to ask Jesse about but I don't know if you want to talk about it now we'll talk about it later but just like the crazy circumstance that the exact marble that I threw just so happened to be Silas's brother and stuff and I have a feeling there was some some sneakiness behind that but you know no no I could talk about that now that's fine uh no actually there wasn't I that was total coincidence that yeah but that was yeah that like because I at the beginning of the campaign I made that mouse the evil mouse and I knew it needed a counterpart
00:07:44
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And I knew that someone needed to create those
Behind-the-Scenes Plotting
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Speaker
marbles. And then that, that i I was like, let's just put them in a marble. And so I put them in there and whenever you were to roll him and release him would have been, there were certain things in this campaign that like, Chilling the King, right would ramp things up that was also to the next level like the the the casualness of like oh i'm just gonna go kill the king i was like campaigns ending in like three weeks yes i don't know what so you had to add an an additional bad guy right like that was an initial part of the plan the whole i mean
00:08:27
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No, that mouse, that John was always the evil controller of the circumstances. I thought you kind of came up with that as a backup plan after we destroyed your big baddie. There's always a Thanos behind a Thanos. Exactly. I even told Luke I have this, that's how we came up with his character. right which that which ah initially started he was like a god luke made a god character and i was like oh oh oh i meant for the others to be gods and for you to be less than them and i and i and and so we we agreed on stylus but yeah it was it like you did start off with a a huge like oh powerful or not powerful but like a
00:09:19
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of being that was quite elaborate of like- No, I actually have a picture of- Oh, do you? There we go. It's mouse urchin. It's two or more mice who are each other's familiar with the urchin background and or wizard class. That's cool. Like a Fred and George thing. I do not remember that at all. You don't want to, you don't want to like try to- Oh, that's so funny. I did not really- That's how it started. I did not, yeah. And then you tried to describe like these all-powerful, I don't want to say Eldritch, but then I'm like, I don't know, try to play with that. yeah And so I just diva. And then... So for right from the get-go, there was a good mouse and a bad mouse. And yeah, it just so happened that you threw them at that moment.
00:10:07
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Well, okay. That was awesome. And that was definitely one of my favorite parts because I was just like, what, my mind was blown. And that was amazing. So yeah it was, it was very funny. There was a, there was a few mind blown sections too, yeah discovering stuff and, you know, everything, but that one was very epic. What about you, Luke?
Dynamics Between Hava and Goro
00:10:27
Speaker
I don't know. i I tried to have these prepared beforehand, but that was one that I, it was hard for me to decide what my favorite was, not because I couldn't think of anything, but like just the entirety of who Ahava and Goro are pretty much. Like, yeah and then also their interactions with each other of being like a monk and a barbarian, but still like very on different sides of violence. Yes. Yeah. Very funny.
00:10:56
Speaker
Is it not common for monks and barbarians to like it together? Well, it's not common for barbarians to necessarily create friends. i do I do love the fact that we have the funniest thing. Like if we're going to bring up another moment, like the one funny thing, I was like, okay, so at some point, like have a, or he's just going to lose it. And she lost it by skinning the hand of the King quite dramatically early on. And I immediately, like after recording it, I just kind of was like, wow, that was a very Game of Thrones, wasn't it? That was pretty dark. That was, uh,
00:11:31
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the Yeah, the the only more graphic nature is going to come up now. And yeah, I don't know. I think you might have topped it. But probably that was the funniest thing, like going from like, I just want to adventure to like, let's get it alive. Like, you know, it's just OK. Wow. Yeah. Barbarian. And you're angry. OK.
00:11:55
Speaker
I think for me, it was like, well, for a while is ah ah ah GM slash like, like, you know, watching your creation come to life in your own head and seeing how you guys play with the world and stuff like that. I really like my favorite parts were those parts where I said nothing and let you guys just role play and I'm just like, oh, this is this is beautiful. Like, this is what I want. Play in the sandbox, destroy my world, do it. I don't care. I'm loving watching this happen. like Like me and Ariana's just conversation as and and Luke and like, we're all like chat talking. I think you were quiet for like, what, like 20, 30 minutes. Yeah, I was. youre just I probably even cut out a lot of of it to where I was just quiet listening. I'm just like, yeah, this is nice.
00:12:45
Speaker
Yeah, that's probably a cool moment at the GM where you're like, i I mean, I just started GMing something, you know, so it's it's being it's been, ah you know, it's difficult to do a GMing position, but it is fun when you found out that your characters have really found their there their niche or
Handling Emotional Moments
00:13:04
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they've owned up to their character, they're really just into it so much that you kind of don't have to do or say anything at that point. So yeah. Yeah, I think as you said that like but another one of my favorite parts or moments was I don't know if it was a reader. I don't know if it was Luke, but the firm stance of I am not allowed to say anything to have about anything and you held so strong to this. You were asking that beforehand of why not and it's it's for that reason.
00:13:41
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It was so funny. Wait, wait, I don't get it though. Why? A reader was told he was not allowed to by Caesar. by Caesar to say anything about Hava like finding her. Caesar did say it was fine multiple times and you still held on to no I'm not saying the words. That's why okay see I didn't realize this and the whole time I'm just like why is the reader not saying anything to Hava even though Davita is very clearly making it a point that she wants to have the reader say something.
00:14:17
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And it felt very out of character for just my own personality to be like, I so just want to just say, but it feels it feels wrong for readers to just be like, oh yeah, well, I was there. Yeah, that, that makes a lot of sense. to See, this is what I was hoping from this tea break to get some more insight. I'm like, what, why were things happening that actually happened? <unk> yeah let sir up all right I think now we go to the low moment. What's a low moment that you found during this campaign? Power would kill. Power would kill.
00:14:53
Speaker
our world. Yeah, why did you keep mentioning it, Luke? Okay, so he mentioned it a couple of times while we were in the red water territory, like just offhand, like random, like top of the head, just like, oh, no, he says, like power kill, just to have us like maybe six months later, and Jesse uses it. Like, I know he didn't like, I don't think it was like Luke actually trying to like, but it somehow like subconsciously implanted into Jesse said that he really wanted to use that stuff. I I've said out loud before to Jesse that he should not use it. And the moments that I say those two things, it's because it would be the the dumbest thing to do. And then and then he does it and it was the dumbest thing to do. Like, you yeah, well, it in reality, in, in, in defense and defense of myself,
00:15:47
Speaker
I did not remember what I said episode one of power kill doesn't exist. Oh, that's yeah. And then at the same time, I like I've explained this to you guys in less or deep in more detail. But I was in a very I watched this show where they took criminals and if These criminals didn't get have any answers they just kill them, you know, just if they're not going to join and there's no, there's no reason for them to exist. I have control of your father. Goodbye. Like, so long.
00:16:23
Speaker
and I think that was it. And then I was trying to be evil. I'm not very good at being evil as a person. So I think my, and I'm listeners, you don't know this, but like, there is a campaign where I felt more evil than I ever had. And I didn't like it, but I was like, okay, getting in that same mental state, getting that same energy. And I think I went too far. I agree. I went too far with the power of kill. I think, yeah, I think that's it really. I have no other defense. So ah like ah other than, yeah, it was a mistake. Did it pay off in the end? I think story-wise I created it to pay off while editing. But if you listeners actually fought listen to the raw copy, it didn't go well.
00:17:12
Speaker
Yeah, if you go to our patreon, if you join us on our patreon, you can go back and listen to the raw audio. You can hear me in my worst, like snotty, teary, just like trying to cope with that. Like that got cut out, but it was intense. And you did not have a good day that day either. I wasn't having a good day. I think you start with that too. I wasn't having a good day today. It wasn't just not a good day. No, it was a really- I'll reveal it to the the audience just because like, you know, there was a loss in my family. And so like, ah an an aunt and it was sudden. And so, and it we I was like, no, I still want to record, but like, I didn't want to make a big deal of it because I was like, i I, you know, I still wanted to like, be a part of that and stuff. And then, you know, when things happened, it's just like, oh, wow, okay.
00:18:07
Speaker
Yeah, you know, and so just the bundled up emotions and, you know, losing a character that I had like, been like, and so it happened so quickly in the edit, like, sure you know, but there was, I think, like, a couple, like, like it was at least like 40 minutes, 40 minutes before I like, I left, I left the recording. And I started um that was being berated by. Post aggressive or being ah but messages, threatening messages to the group. If you don't bring back Hava, I'm gonna. Not to the group, to me. To jessie two Jesse. I don't know if there's more beyond it, but she was sending it to like the group chat. I was sending it to the group chat, yes. so And then not to like another week or two to actually finish that.
00:19:00
Speaker
it yeah um or come back you know from that and do the whole like yeah it was it was ending the proper ending the proper ending and i have no lingering like anger at jesse for this this was And I am full of apologies, always. so and And he has been forgiven. And now it's just a fun story to tell. um yeah But yeah, the emotions were real for that. No, they were. i I do find that that all not to be like oh yeah it was a payoff but like that to know how much you were invested in hava was meaningful to me in that like like as you've said before in other tea breaks that you were like half-heartedly in them and in like
00:19:50
Speaker
some of the can and the short campaigns we've done. And it's like, to see that, that was that was really um impactful for me just to know that like, wow, you did invest a lot in this character. That was, yeah. But wasn't it also like your first ever D&D character though as well? Oh, yeah. So there you go. So it has a little bit of, um, yeah, deep roots there. I remember, I remember that whole thing going down and just going like, what the flump is going down in Chinatown. He was not there. He can see my, my aggressive like messages. It was the messages more than anything, and I just was kind of like, you can believe this if you want, Jess, but I was like, shit, what the heck has gone on? Everyone is murdering each other in the chat right now. What the heck? Like, oh my gosh. I know, I messaged we afterwards and I was like, I just explained what happened because I was like, I felt bad. I was like, I know I'm putting this in the public chat right now, but. I loved it. I was just kind of like, yeah, I'll be a little bit peeved. Our podcast chat.
Character Dynamics and Player Influence
00:20:50
Speaker
They took it, I took it very, uh, like, like, I, like it, it was like a meta version of Hava going to Goro being like, he hurt me. You, you. Yeah. and Like, cause Lee did message me saying, Hey, what, like not even message, he texts me the next day or something like that. It's like, Hey, what happened? And I was like, Oh, here comes, here comes the, here comes the older brother coming out. Like it was mad cause it was just kind of crazy. Like I'm not going to lie. Like it was funny here, like. like the v it just
00:21:22
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like because i've only I've only met her through this. So then like seeing like a different side to her, I was just kind of like, okay, I know women are very dangerous when they're upset, but my gosh, this is a fictional character to as well. And it's getting, man, the fangs are out and all this other stuff. I was like, holy cow, I don't know what's going on. i was like holy shnikes and then when it all unraveled i was like oh yeah i'll be peeved but like wow okay yeah sure yeah that makes sense and then like all the other things like this character all the things i was just like yeah this is kind of fun and oh things that will never ever be like unseen we're seeing it was hilarious like yeah it was great but we're all friends we're still friends yeah you know
00:22:04
Speaker
It's fun. the Luke is a bit bitter. I mean, not just because of that, probably, but because because of also how he came into that episode ready to just die as well. Yeah, no, I was I was fine because I was, you know, like I said, like you said, I was expecting to die. But like, how about just to be like just taken out was so beyond was it just that you had like, was it was that you just grabbed a john from like a lich or something? I, I, I, so I lost the original character sheet that I had for John and I had to just find one and it had everything that it had before, but it was like slightly different and it had that in there. And I was like, Oh, easy. ah Easy.
00:22:54
Speaker
fun times yeah it it was i will tell you it it if listeners you listen to on our patreon like the background you will hear me basically just zone out that whole landing. Like I was just like, I just got to keep this, keep this podcast on track. Just got to keep this, just keep going. That's what I just need to just do. I don't, ah don't put too much emotion to this. I just got to get through this episode. Now that, now that it's already gone, I just got to get through it.
00:23:27
Speaker
Right. So yeah, like, it even in the end, like, it was fine, I think, you know, and it's actually not my biggest regret in the show, because I think it had a good outcome in the end after we, you know, pestered Jesse enough to change some stuff. I already agreed to it and I apologize before I was confronted. There was lorries involved. Once Jesse decided he was willing to withdraw or you come up with a solution to take back what he did, then like the outcome was fine. Like definitely wasn't my biggest, like I said, it wasn't my biggest regret. I have lots of regrets as Hava, but I want to hear i want to hear ah like Lee's and Luke's more there like
00:24:15
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their characters regret stuff that their characters could or could should have done that didn't do because i I have a lot and I will talk about them but I want to hear you guys first.
Character Regrets and Decisions
00:24:26
Speaker
Do you want to go first, Mr. Canada? I don't think I... was thinking Reader was ah more of a guest. At the very beginning, at least, he grew into one of the characters that became... I think Hermit Chronicles is more of his like his main character show, but he's more of like a side character in this. I don't know. i I feel like I don't know if I understand anybody who would be thinking that like leaving with Chaser is regrettable, but I think that was, I think that's one of the greatest, ah especially to Lee. Let's think about how much Lee loved this. know Yeah, I was literally, it didn't, I don't know if we were ever filmed on webcam, but I was like pushing like the whole fly off in a boat together, go make weird babies. That'd be hilarious.
00:25:13
Speaker
like let it happen let it be i was all on the that team yeah 100 i was i was on that bandwagon 100 yeah no I don't I don't think it was a regret either. I think it was good because I was going to kill off reader that episode anyways. but ah I'm just going to kill him off. Did you have a particular strategy or plan, Jesse? Oh, yeah. Oh, if so these deaths are premeditated. This one, this one was premeditated because it was made by King Elrath. Oh, yeah. King Elrath was going to lie. Just cast silence on the like cat like like he had wizards basically.
00:25:52
Speaker
wrote like on a path and he was just going to cast silence on the caravan and just start attacking Luke or attacking reader. Why? Because you were attached to him. Because he didn't like that you were attached to someone that wasn't a part of their alliance. wow that would have changed the story dramatically so brutal like he was quietly murdered as well as pretty dark and awesome i mean obviously it was gonna i wasn't gonna just outright take him out i was gonna an assassination attempt would be sick in the quiet and so he i would have been there escape i would have been there yeah it would have pushed he would have pushed really hard for you not to be in there
00:26:33
Speaker
I think he's- Didn't you Hava, that you made a seat beside you for Reader to sit? Yeah. Yes. But Elrass only agreed to that when he knew Chaser was leaving with Reader. No way. Yeah, dude. Dude, that is demented. but You're demented. I rolled for it and he was not happy about it. Pre-meditated PCM murder. he he was not But again, it would like if Reeder would have gotten away, because he's fast, you know, one, ah disengage and he would have been off. But at least he would have been away from you and that would have been fine too.
00:27:12
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Well, I'm glad we had the outcome we had instead of that. yeah i did I did just a peek behind the curtain. I did have a conversation with Ariana before about what she wanted to do ah and and if she wanted to bring Rita. Yeah. So she was already thinking about this before the episode started. Okay. but Did she know about the assassination? She didn't know about the assassination. oh she I just said, would she want to? And it was up to her if she did or not. She is welcome to invite you. And then it was up to you if you accepted or not. But I just wanted to make sure she had the, like, basically covering both both ends of this conversation of like, King Elros wants him dead. Jesse wants to give him an out.
00:27:59
Speaker
That's the best thing about being a DM. you just You're there to tell a story, not have any evil agendas, but you have two paths all the time. so Exactly. is So I was like, I'm going to give this to Ariana, let Chaser figure it out. And if she invites him, she invites him. But then in the end, she didn't even invite you. You were like, I would love to go with you. And I was, I was like, perfect. Yes.
00:28:26
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Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah. So yeah, that was, that was all in the alternate timeline. Yeah. One of those timelines. Oh gosh. Yeah. That's crazy. Regrets for Goro. Well, it comes up a little bit later with the questions, but like, his party body count is not great. Like, it's pretty crap. Like, one sucked. The other one, I was just warming up to the guy and then immediately it was like, just like, nah, you killed him. I think, like, like, I think even though, like, Leaf was such a dramatic turning point for a character, like, Uber,
00:29:04
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just yeah gone like that in a heartbeat was pretty mad like that was like just glanced over and i was like that just happened yeah The crazy thing is that like, I was nice. I only gave eight damage to people when actually Goro would have given, I think like 17 or 18 or maybe even 20 damage from that hit. The worst thing was it was just the fact that it was a nat one and that's the worst thing. Yeah.
00:29:36
Speaker
So Uber didn't have very high, what was his health like when he was a regular beaver? Uber had eight health. He had eight i and just as regular Uber. yeah Wow. I didn't realize his regular you know health was just that low. So when he like levels up, it's only his wear beaver stats that really go up. Yes, pretty much. but Well, no, he didn't, eat he didn't, I don't think he and leveled us, but he, he was already a high level anyways. Oh, I see. Yeah. He was a, what, what was it? A challenge rating or challenge rating five or six, something like that. I don't know. He wasn't, he wasn't like 10 or 12, but he was, he he had a high challenge rating, but yeah, it was only when he was the where beavers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. amazing side when i did When I was doing it, I was like,
00:30:25
Speaker
Oh, no. Oh, no. How do I explain this without destroying Goro's, like, moral? I could have literally gone bad shit crazy right there and then and just like, just not gone anywhere else. Like, literally just getting overleaf. Open up a bit more until you do it as damage to kill your own yourself or something. Exactly. And I didn't even know. I didn't even register. I think it was either Mike or Luke that say, And this is the exact same place Leaf died. That was Mike, yeah. Yeah. cook it is yeah yeah that I just hate pyramids. oh Yeah, that was crazy. I'm just glad you didn't have Leaf be one of the ah zombies, or maybe, or skeletons. Well, I couldn't. No, I couldn't, because the way it went was... see um darren and leaf are on the outside because it smashed into darren and leaf and pushed them with the pyramid yeah it pushed them oh i was thinking it landed on them not push them and smash no no no push them it was the the most like it was like an impaling yeah it was pretty brutal oh i see see i thought they were underneath the pyramid not like pushed away no no if they were underneath it would have been easier but no they were pushed
00:31:50
Speaker
Would've been easier, they'd just come back as zombies and I would not do anything. Exactly. I would've been fine. I would've been fine for them coming back as zombies. Freak me out. yeah What I was like, I shouldn't make him as obvious, Uber. I was like, it's too soon. No, man. Like two episodes before that, I was well happy that he had a jolly good time. And I was like, yeah, this is what it's going to be. But Reed has got his own side missions like Goro and Uber are going to have an event. Nope. That was cut short on the writers block immediately. So yeah. Yeah, it's fun. Crazy. Yeah.
00:32:26
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probably biggest regret those two, but we'll talk, we'll talk about the body count later. Cause that was a question. Any, any regrets that are not tied to specifically like bad dice rolls as opposed to bad choices, not, not bad dice roll. Yeah. Oh, not bad dice rolls. Oh, like a chance, not a chance, like a decision. Um, you don't have to think about that cause it's depressing, but. No, it's fine. It it makes sense. um i think'spress I think for me, it was the not fully grasping of Silas. I feel like he had so much potential. I feel like it was so much more I missed out on of understanding his character and who it was and what it could do.
00:33:13
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to the point where you kind of, I feel like, step back a little bit more with him than you even did with the reader. I don't know. I feel like that that was a regret of mine, of like, oh, I did not communicate things super clearly, and I didn't read up as well as I should have. I think that was a regret I should have addressed, and losing episode 27. Yeah, I know. That's so sad that we lost that. and Especially since that's one of the ones I didn't see in person. So I just. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. I feel like have it. It's more probably mediocre speech speeches and stuff like that. No, actually, it was really heartfelt. And it was like it was between everyone. You were saying, you know, I missed you. This is great. And you guys were all getting getting bonded. But then all of a sudden, like seven comes in and he's like, hey, you
00:34:08
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need to do your job as royalty. And you're like, no. And and then and then Goro's like, Oh, no, they're coming for us. I'm out. I'm running. Yep. I'm out. right I forgot he actually ran. He actually started running away. let's Yeah. yeah let's not make and then think he said by he just was like just Yeah, hold it. They they do a whole person on him. Bring him back. But yeah, it was it was a very like I thought, oh, you know, Hava will be like, oh, she'll be bored because she has to do all these work duty. She'll just do it. And then you were like, no, I'm not going to ruin this episode. so I'm going to ruin this episode. Yeah.
00:34:56
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And no, you didn't ruin it, but you you did you did not go in the direction of like, oh, you know what? You're right. I am royalty now. You're like, no, I'm still hover and I'm going to be hover. I'm going to derail an episode. We'll get back on track, but I'll derail it a little bit. It was fantastic. I mean, the the amount of controversy you brought in the camp on day one, I was like, yeah, how am I going to end this sooner? but like Not like I wanted to, but like right yeah we're on the last end of this and you're creating chaos in jail. Yeah. It was great. It was great. It was fantastic. I enjoyed it, but it was, yeah. Okay. So you want me to talk about my regrets now?
00:35:40
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Please. I've got a long list. Okay, I'll start with the short ones. I really wish, or regret, I feel like we we really could have, should have had Willy in there at some point. Bam. I understand with recording issues we weren't able to get Isaac and in on that, but... That one, um ah not being able to use those little gem like communicator ear pieces, I regret, I don't know if it was just bad rolls or like whatever it was, but my persuasion. I could explain that Caesar like has his in his ear permanently based on things they don't. Broke it? Yeah. He broke it in his ear. No. Hermit Chronicles. Yeah.
00:36:26
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That happened in the Hermit Chronicles? Or was it like part of the Patreon thing? Like was it edited out or something? No, no, he broke it in Hermit Chronicles. I think it was like episodes... He's permanently in there. It's amazing or something like that. Oh my gosh. So good. That's funny. But also... There you go, Jesse. There's that one moment where I defend you and now I can... I can berate you about anything. But actually, he broke it, but he had... So originally he had a limited set of them and...
Mental Health Message
00:36:54
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he handed them out to people and he only had a few extra and it's been a long time since then so he's been handing them out still but because he broke it the first time he didn't it didn't get permanently lodged in his ear he broke it so he put in a new one and he's so protective of it because it's his last one and he knows
00:37:14
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He realized he broke it before he was like, this is it. If I lose this, then I lose the entire organization, you know? And it it was ah it was impossible. There was no way you could have gotten that earpiece. Even with a Nat 20. Even with a Nat 20, you would have to kill him for it. um That is his life's, that was his life's work. Oh my God. It's like somebody with their phone, you know? Like how people are like, if you take my phone away, you're taking away my life. That's how he felt about the earpiece. Time to talk about our lovely sponsors. This podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. I'm for a serious moment. I've lost many people to mental health issues, some family members and some friends and had some close calls. Otherwise, no one should suffer alone.
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00:39:34
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Like we kind of touched on his backstory of like, he was made in a deal between God and Darry to basically get rid of the wizards and King L. Ross and that lineage and all the fainine that would have anything to do. So he was the catalyst of why they left. But in that Caesar was made invisible so no one could take care of him. So no one would find out that Darren had an illegitimate child. So the only way people would touch him or the only way you'd be seen if people touch them and the only way they would touch him is they would hit him because they didn't know he was there. So he was abused a lot as a kid. Like, yeah.
00:40:22
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ah But yeah, anyway, speaking of Caesar, I also wish i I talked so much trash about him when he wasn't there that I didn't follow through with. And I regret not following through with that. I said I was gonna punch him in the face when I saw him again for not giving me that gem. And I didn't. And I was like, too And I was like, why didn't I just punch that guy in the face? Okay, we had waited a long time between recordings. I must have forgotten that, however, really wanted to do that. Oh, maybe, maybe. And I think that was why. ah but But I still regret not having done that.
00:40:59
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Or like berated him a little bit more for like using Hava to accomplish his tasks that ended up up in some very sad situations for Hava because like I at some point was like trying to rationalize why Hava made some bad decisions. And I attribute a lot of that to Caesar's instructions or requests or things like that. Like Father was just trying to follow and you know this this powerful lion guy who seemed like he knew exactly what he wanted and he knew what needed to be done. And she was like, okay, this seems like a good guy to follow. Like he seems like he has good intentions and everything.
00:41:44
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But ah because of that, unlike the biggest thing, I think the biggest regret for Hava, for me at playing Hava, was the whole winter, whole battle. And speaking of, you know, I could have rescued them without, like, but because I was, I had in my mind this dagger that he really wanted. Yeah, the stash. in the castle. Had I just rushed out, we wouldn't have had that final confrontation in the palace or castle or whatever. And I would have gotten a plenty of the villagers out. It might have happened, but not with you and the villagers that you rescued.
00:42:25
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Yeah, so I would have actually rescued some villagers if I wasn't so focused on getting into the palace and rescue or saving the dagger and confronting the the king. I mean, it ended up being good storytelling, but it was also like one of the biggest regrets because I just and and I was so into the battle that I forgot that those villagers were not just Winterhold villagers. there were otterfolk, all of our otterfolk that were in that, the ones that had survived were in that camp. And I think I would just attributed them all to being winterhold folk and forgot that was otterfolk too. And like just got so into the battle and stuff. That was like the, probably the very biggest regret is like not, is just sacrificing and just being so like flippant about,
00:43:17
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It was interesting because i yeah as a GM, from a GM's perspective, running hundreds of different NPCs, not possible. I don't care who you are, no it is not possible. So I made up the plan of, oh, they're going to help you. They're going to distract here, they're going to distract here, and they're going to distract here. What do you want to do with them? And you were like, I want to take them with me. And I was like, Okay. i ah Okay. but I don't know how to say no to this. I don't know. We'll see what happens. And then I was just like, you know what? Okay, fine. They're gonna they're going to do mass damage and all these different things, but at the same time, they're gonna get mass hits.
00:44:03
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and Yeah, right. Yeah, it was. it was No, and and it's not I wasn't. ah Yeah, no, right. I mean, it's it was a crazy situation that you never had to deal with and I never had to deal with and we were doing our best to try and figure out how to do this in a way that can translate into D and D stats, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was it was a Yeah. And like you said, it was storytelling wise because you were reunited with your first fainine, your beloved Blaine Joy. Yeah. Who you had a passionate hate for. Yeah, definitely. Which is funny to me and maybe to Lee because we know Blaine Joy from the Philippines.
00:44:52
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Yep. oh It's, it's so so great. just Yeah, just the fact that she's a real person, how would you do not like her was so funny. Hey, I'm sorry, Blaine Joy, if you're listening to this. It wasn't personal. It was just the character that Jesse created. It was just professional. It wasn't personal. It was it was very, very fictional characters. I was thinking that. like Oh yeah, Luke as well, yeah. You knew her. No, I've not no i have never met her. Oh, okay. oh Okay. But every time I heard her name, I was like, well, this is a real person. This is a real person. First of all, I need to get her name right. It's not Laysjoy sometimes. Oh Blingjoy. And also, I feel like I can't be mean to this person because she she paid money on Patreon, right?
00:45:45
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no no no that was a that was a competition i ran on instagram yeah that was there was a competition i ran on instagram and then she submitted and that was fine the character blingjoy was like not reader's favorite person but like blingjoy was a real person so i i feel like i couldn't do that mean to her
00:46:07
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that's perfect I guess the disconnection for me. with I was like, I'll just hate her. Just hate her with of fiery passion. ah yeah Okay, so here's some more regrets. I wish my some of my speeches were a little more coherent. ah That's just like a Davida regret, not like a Haave regret. Okay. And then, um ah let's see, I wish that we could have had more things to do within that um couple months span of episode 19 and 20, you know, where we're just
Prison Scenes and Character Development
00:46:40
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in prison. I already told Jesse all this too, and so he knows, but like, it was my least favorite, like, episode, even like just listening, just like, man, I could have done this, and I could have done, I know I would have done so many other things, and I would have had more character development there, so. but ah And yeah, so.
00:46:58
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Yeah, I think that also comes down to like you said, where we were new to this whole thing. were fake And so like, yeah, I should have given more notice. These guys should have been but better at thinking, okay, what do I really want to get down? I mean, Luke was pretty good with trying to get to know the locals. Yeah. They didn't really want to get to know you. They wanted to actually kill you the entire time. And and then I think my final big regret is just not like is being so like accepting of my dad after he killed that wizard in front of me.
00:47:35
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of how this got played to me. Why did I do that? yes and I'm going to attribute it again to long spans of not playing Hava and then all of a sudden thinking I know what her character is, but even though I just didn't get back into her mindset, I don't think she would have accepted him because I was already starting to go along this path of less violence and then all of a sudden I'm like, the violence was the thing that made me want to I don't know what happened there. And that was a big regret because I think it would have been very different had I stuck to my like, yeah. And I think it was just, yeah, I was in a weird funk, those like couple of episodes where I was just like, I don't know where Hava is. She's in prison. She doesn't want to be here. I'm trying to like figure out where she would be in her brain. And I just was having so much struggle because it's for me and per as a person, I process things much better when I'm speaking them. I am not very good at internalizing things. I'm a verbal processor. So I think since I wasn't verbally processing
00:48:48
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Hava's thoughts and feelings from this like time in prison and stuff like when it finally you know when I was finally able to do that I was just like not myself or not Hava wasn't herself and I think it was crazy because yeah I was just like no like thinking back on it I don't think Hava would have accepted that. you think I think li Lee and I, albeit video chatting, well looked at each other like, oh no.
00:49:21
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and what is yeah What happened here? I literally was like, her dad would be crazy. I'm gonna step in if he tries to lay a finger on her and then like obviously I completely agree with what you know the whole we had months between episodes because that's like one thing like one of the questions comes up later again I don't want to like overextend it but it's like you kind of get in the mindset of playing a character and we played it for such a long period like constantly to then have breaks and then to come back to go like no joke listeners to go so what happened like what craziness is is going down and then like yeah and then our characters are kind of like oh they're doing this and then they do that why is that so all over the place and then you're like oh if you have the cohesion of we're doing it like months after this the recording and stuff it like makes a lot of sense
00:50:11
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in the end, I think, I think it worked for you. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. I mean, I guess it would have been very different had I not, you know, but I think, I think maybe pretending a little bit more would have been more positive strategy rather than, yeah you know, I would have to do some deception, deception checks or something like that probably. but ah I don't know, you know, I think she was just like, so emotional and just like, not herself. And so yeah I think it was just, you know, I'm gonna chalk it up to like, yeah, very weird, like time period for like, you know, Hava just like being like, just out, yeah, out, not herself because of stuff, you know. And then of course, the final regret is just throwing that black hole ah at she. at oh sugar was that your worst regret oh mate that was one of them oh my highlights that was not my not my biggest regret but definitely one of them because it was just a genuine reaction of like what the you doing like it's so good but it was one of the things that i did that made me feel the worst because i was like that was
00:51:22
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It was amazing. I honestly, it was such a raw moment as well. Like the recording does not so much justice as probably like a picture of it. like yeah the ra If you guys go back, if you, if you're on Patreon and you hear the raw edit, it is a lot more like, I was just like, no, I'm sorry. Wait. I think I bargained a lot. Cause I was trying to get a game. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. Yeah, that got edited out. I love it. You can't take back what you've done. That was probably like another 30 minutes of me just trying to take back what I did. Yeah. One of the things that like sometimes I'm like, if I had like a ringtone, it would be, Jesse! Jesse! Jesse!
00:52:09
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why
00:52:12
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love it so yeah it's yeah funny times anybody i mean hard times but funny times in the end good stories to look back on stories yes um do we want to get into some specific quish questions really quick and then uh move yeah move on to the next thing Yeah, let's do that. Let's do the few questions and then like leave it for like ah ah normal listeners and then leave it a bit spicy for some of the Patreons. That'd be pretty cool. Yeah, damn.
00:52:44
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Oh, I know one of them was the marbles. We wanted to know what was the leftover marbles. Please tell us what the leftover marbles were. And I also want the numbers because I'm going to write them down. Okay. The numbers is what's confusing to me because I think at some point. Yeah. I gave you the wrong number or we talked about a wrong, or I don't know what happened because you are, I think, cause I'll tell you the the the ones I have and then you can tell me the ones that you're like, wait a second. No, that's already been used. yeah So I'll tell you the numbers and then you tell me, oh, nope, nope, nope. right Or yes, that's fine. Where did they go? There you go.
00:53:27
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So I have number 23. Oh, you're starting from the top. Okay. No, I just, that's how I put it in my list. So number 23, number 23. And then number two, number three. These are the ones that didn't get used, right? Yeah. These are the ones I didn't get used. Right. 23, two, three, three. huh Five. Yep. eight right now i don't think we used seven i don't think we used seven okay so maybe that or or v used v used two marbles so i don't know which ones he used oh that's true he did i don't know if i'd number i the law behind the marbles guys see it still puzzles us to this day uh so nine ten and twelve
00:54:12
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I had that we used nine. and Okay, so maybe I missed the seven. And that's what's gotten all this mixed up. Maybe. Nine was the um the the portal in my black hole. and my not yeah all but Okay, listen because on mine, it has it has flood. online for nine oh so i must have either i put nine twice or i don't know what happened but um and then 15 16 17 18 uh i had that we used 17 it was the disguise person or the disguise one that okay see i have hysterical laughter
00:54:57
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ah So, I don't know where the mix up happened but something right trick me into, I also don't, I don't think we use 21 or 22. Ah, so I'll tell you, so I'll tell you what they do. so number 23. No, but 23 is just as penguins. I don't know what I was going to do with that. I don't know what was was going to happen with the penguins. Penguin army, mate. The penguin from Batman, that'd be sick. Yeah. Number two says snowball. Snowball. Just like throw a snowball. Either a small snowball or a massive one. I don't know. A meteorite snowball. Number three is massive boulder. So just a different variation of snowball.
00:55:42
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One Melon. Number five was magic, wild magic surge. Whoa. What have we had that done? We would have had to roll on the table and see what it does. ah Oh, wow. That would have been interesting. Yeah. Number. eight is a lion's roar so you basically have Darren's like equivalent of Darren's roar now that he used to rip off oh yeah i know what you're talking about wasn't yeah wasn't eight though the one that had many animals on it stamp
00:56:17
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stampede yeah i don't have see i don't have stampede so i must have deleted them and then just replaced the number or something because on my thing mine yeah mine said many animals yeah so i don't i honestly don't know why i don't think reader has no Yeah, Rita still has it, but I don't have it on my list anymore. He has a very powerful model, still he hasn't used. So you might actually want to note that down, that he has many animals. So I'll say that's number seven. And then I'll put number eight as the stampede still exists. I think once I heard it, I was just like, delete. Oh yeah.
00:57:02
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Um, not even used to just heard it. Um, and then number nine, obviously is the black hole, but on mine, it says flood. So we can maybe make that 21 21 is the flood. Yeah. I love how we're altering the lore as well as we do this. Yeah. Well, they're just marbles. Is this going to serve any purpose later? Not really. No. Probably not. I love this. Except for maybe the one that reader has. Yeah, maybe the one that reader has. Yeah, we'll go back to that story. Number 10 is marbles. So it just creates more of them. More what? Blank ones? More of the marbles. Yeah, more of the blank marbles. Blank marbles? Why don't we use that on the pyramid to get rid of the pyramid? I forgot about it.
00:57:43
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ah'll tell you what I literally asked about that I know no that's he rolled he rolled and he got like a four oh so because I was like do one of these give you more oh my gosh that's hilarious because I'll tell you what else it has right after that number 12 some animal I don't know if that means some of them from a different existence some of them from a different plane some of them from wow so yeah you even said is there a way to save girl with these marbles and he said no no other than the black hole oh my gosh so good one of my favorite um it's fine yeah uh number 15 just says flowers oh actually you know what i think i walked on the ones 15 was flowers yeah wow i don't know what that means what
00:58:37
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There's flowers from little shopper hair. I did make them, but I made them three years ago, four years ago. Yeah. Um, I actually wrote down which ones, um, Silas used, I think you edited it out of the thing, but time stops was 14. That was the, that was the one where he froze. Oh, sure. And the circus tent was 11. Oh, okay. Okay, yeah. ah Number 16 is smoke. So I'm i'm assuming that's obvious. Yeah, smoke bomb. um And then 17, hysterical laughter. And then 18 is three trapped ghosts. Because you trapped ghosts? Yeah, three trapped ghosts. That seems horrifying.
00:59:23
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Um, what, what, which one did Luke use then the disguise one? Because that was the disguise one. I didn't write it down. I have no idea what number it is because it was 17 in my list. Okay. Yeah. So I think that, yeah, um I must've deleted them and then just filled it in. That has to be the only solution I can think of. Right, but hysterical laughter would have been funny. That would have been great. ah Yeah, so yeah, that's it. that That's it. The three trap ghosts, I'm probably thinking of like Casper. Yeah, I was going to say like Casper, that seems pretty funny. Wait, what did you say 22 was? ah Well, then I didn't have that, so I would say that would probably be hysterical after probably. Okay, that would be hysterical. Or somewhere, somewhere in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:09
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This is for Divi is like, this is just you know, a frame of mind. Yeah. So a learning experience for you as well, listeners. So enjoy that. Yeah. and I won't even be able to read this later, but that's okay. It's just, for me I'm like writing. its I can't see this. Love it. That's it. That's, that's the. That's the list, yeah. I think if you were to given him the bag, he could tell you exactly what each one did once he saw it, which is what he did when he grabbed it from you, but- Well, and I feel like given um three months or whatever it was that we were in prison for, I would have yeah that is done insights on every single marble, like every day, just being like, whatever, what this one does, insight roll, insight roll, insight roll, until I do everything.
01:00:55
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you were being watched so it could be that you were like oh well i'm being watched i can't do too many things out of the ordinary yeah i don't think somebody playing with marbles would have risen suspicion well yeah i don't know pencil you play around them if you did it around gora gora would leave immediately so yeah what if i used what any other specific questions oh you could have used quite a lot of them probably probably yeah even Even penguins, for some reason. I love the fact there's one just for penguins. Doesn't make any sense, but it's there. ah Yeah, any other quick question that we can...
01:01:38
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I don't know, are we saving some of the ones that you put in the chat for the Patreon's guys? or Yeah, I think there was another one that I liked to address, but I don't remember what it was. Maybe something I put? Is this something you put or something I put? Oh, probably something you put, because I feel like there was that, like, what character would you like to have played? Character or class, would you have? Oh yeah. you Would you have liked to play? That was a cool question. I do, have I haven't been moving into that. Oh, just because I, because I sent you, I sent you three. Xylus being, being like somebody else is familiar and having like a friend in George thing was one of them. And I don't know if this is probably for patron because it's going to be cut out if maybe, is there a season two that we'll be playing as animals?
01:02:23
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No, so, okay. I mean, there's technique so listeners that yes, I can I can talk about that now we we are thinking of a season two, we might play a season two, who knows, it's up to these guys if they want to carry on with this world.
Hints at Season 2
01:02:39
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expansion or not I mean I know we're doing other things right now and um I don't want to say anything about like oh yeah we're gonna start that up soon or not I don't know but I am planning it I do I started playing it since this started ending
01:02:55
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I started planning it since the big probably the beginning of this campaign. ah Because if you didn't get the, if you listened to the whole episode and you got the ending where Ariana's character, Chaser, says she's she's found out where she's from, this is actually an experiment. ah So that's where this next campaign will take place in that world. And so that world is a modern society, a society with technology and magic, with normal jobs and backhanded politics and all that jazz. Like Zootopia? Are they still animals? Yeah, there are humanoid animals, but there are also elves and dwarves and magical creatures. More of the classic D&D characters that you guys see. Yes and no.
01:03:55
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but in a modern setting. and um i mean you We can't even throw in like Owlets, Orcs, we can throw in like High Elves, or not High Elves, Space Elves. This is a vast world of this and if listeners If you didn't understand what what the last message basically was saying was basically these guys, their characters were being Truman showed, and they are a part of a program that is is playing out on its own. There's no direction from any director or anything, but they are, that's lack of a better term, puppets for entertainment of this other world.
01:04:42
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which I hate, that's a horrible, I mean, I love that idea, but I hate that idea, you know? Like, what? Yeah. I'm pleased everyone on this name four, can we? Honestly, gosh. yeah But that's, that's, that's what it is. it it was a it is and that's why it's so long that is why time is a bit odd like why is there a casino in a in a past time why is there you know there's there's different things because I think one of my very specific questions was why was
01:05:20
Speaker
Okay. Wasn't there a coin heist in the Hermit Chronicles where they meet Delross and OP p like steals this coin that yeah technically Silas and John are trapped in or something? But like when reader steals the coin, isn't there a baby Hava in the carriage? No, there's no baby. Okay. My brain made that up. I guess it was never a baby. It was never because is na was a baby no because I was thinking timeline wise. I thought that he remember, I thought he said that there was a baby in there. Uh, but that's why I was like, no, cause that was like more than five years ago. but but stephen sayingin Like I was trying to talk to Ariana about this because chaser is older than
01:06:06
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um Hava. yeah But dogs, and i you don't you don't have to agree with this or not, it is what it is and it makes more sense now that it's a TV program. yeah But the way I justified it to her was basically that they are kind of like the elves of that world where they actually age differently. than everyone else to where five years to them is actually like, like the opposite. That's 35 years to everyone else. So they, yeah so what you were doing is normalizing. Yeah, you are five technically, but in reality, you're probably like one or two because yeah that in that kind of concept, but it,
01:06:51
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Now that it's a TV program in that finally understanding that it is because of that, the the time differences and whatnot, and and all of that stuff is, yeah, it's a TV show. So the outer world is where the next campaign takes place, where there are sentient animals and stuff like that. But I have a few surprises for these guys, so I'm not going to spoil everything, but that's what it kind of That's the the world that they would be a part of. And it would be happening simultaneously as the show is running. So if things go the way that they may go, there might be a season three where we might see the original Animal Kingdom characters, but
01:07:38
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For now, probably not in season two. Maybe on the TV. Because you know you know if Hava figured out she was a TV character, she would be all about figuring out how to mess up. But I also know ah that Hava would not want to leave her father alone as the king of the kingdom. And murder everybody again. Well, he's dead. He dies, okay? Yeah. Something happens. so I don't know. I'm not saying Hava's gonna kill him, but something will happen to him.
01:08:10
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but Yeah, so that's season two spoilers. ah ah Spoiler, I guess, not spoiler. Just an intro to season two. ah If we do do it, we may not. It depends on, you know, what happens with these guys. if They want to do it or not. i'm I'm not fussed about it. And we have great campaigns going on right now. um So yeah. ah Did that answer your question? We were talking about, we were talking about our character, what character we might like to play or something. And I think that was when it was like, wait, wait. I said I have two other characters. I i was going or i i say i took a picture of my phone and sent it to Jesse, and he just liked the the double familiar one. It was from a long time ago, if you're trying to find it. Yeah, I probably wouldn't be able to.
01:08:54
Speaker
It's okay. But um one of the ones was Steve Jaws, who is a snake artificer, who is like the equivalent of of Steve Jobs. But because he's a snake, he's got the ease. He's probably also like a monk. He's really good at punching. But just because they're like mechanical. Oh, very cool. Yeah, I was initial going to play him too. And I have another one that was less interesting, but let somebody else talk. I don't know. I think i had ah I had a really cool brew going with Jess at one point of a paranoid schizophrenic weasel, warlock, alchemist, scientist who basically thinks he's talking to people. ah He would probably be talking to Hava, but then Hava would ask a question and he would continue talking. And then there would probably be some confusion. And then he'd be like, one second. And he's actually talking to no one. He's there's like very Jack Sparrow-esque. He just keeps seeing people.
01:09:49
Speaker
and he's actually slowly losing his mind and all like the whole like alchemy that he's been doing is really powerful but it's like took a toll on him and he's kind of slowly going insane like but he's an interesting weird guy to go around so that's interesting i i was kind of curious what your second character was we all kind of came up with backup characters just in case yeah jesse killed us off because he said yeah do we kill you off and you're gonna have to come up with a new character if you want to keep recording with us okay yeah yeah did he was we all can of can honestly die i remember would happen more often I remember Lee mentioning very early on in our are recordings that he said something like, and I know you just want to kill off foot Gore so you can see my second character.
01:10:32
Speaker
because the homebrew is, the guy is insane. Like he'd literally, we'd talk to people and then you could probably tell him something and he would just like snap out of like being like days and be like, sure. And he wouldn't have heard a word or whatever. Like, yeah, the guy, I wanted to play him like like a complete nutbag. Like literally just like, he's there and he just like makes something. He doesn't even know if it's going to work or not. Or it could, or it could like actually hurt him in the process. Like honestly. i think I think Hava was mad enough in this ah season to need another mad ah crazy. That's just been insane. I probably would have been useless to be honest. like I don't know what works. These acids and alkalines and all these other things. I don't know. That looks pretty cool. Let's see what happens. I really did like Oro and I think that it was a helpful character type of
Backup Characters Discussion
01:11:22
Speaker
character. The stoic almost like it out. I mean, and very, you know, check took a lot of initiative in the beginning. True.
01:11:28
Speaker
where I needed someone to take initiative and then kind of stood back a little bit and towards the end where I was like, okay, I'm feeling more confident in making planes and stuff without like having to rely on an experienced D and&D or to, you know, yeah. I don't know. But anyway. Yeah. ah Yeah. So like as ah we all made our care. like i But see, here's the thing. I didn't make a second character. I thought about one. He said make to second a second character and I thought about one. And that was all I did was think about one. I didn't could do a character sheet. I didn't come up with a name. ah I was way too attached to Hava to even think about another character.
01:12:13
Speaker
And I think that's, I could tell you what I thought about, but fairly good. but think That's a bit of like why I, I don't think season two will feel like the same as season one, just because it's the story of Hava, right? And so not have Hava in it would feel very I mean, the season two, this the the the thing is, with D and&D, it's not about one character. It may seem that it was, from your perspective, because your character's arc was, like you knew Hava, you knew ah that you were with Hava. Hava was your central, not crutch, but like
01:12:54
Speaker
like focal point, even even in Animal Kingdom where Cesar says, you know, do you remember her? Like, she's the princess, like immediately that holds weight. But every single one of these characters were just as important. Like, there's there's no, yeah, there's no I in team in D&D that like everyone had their you time to die or time to shine, you know? it It wasn't like with girl, with his dad, like to to to stand up to him. And I mean, even you with we ah V, with Silas with V was so is yeah was a huge dynamic of like a brotherhood and ah like holding grudges and ah you know, all that stuff being like released with just a, hi Silas. And then you're like, oh, you want to do it now? Hi.
01:13:48
Speaker
like All the tension that was built up just before that to just end with just that and everything's kind of okay was like, that was, I thought that was great. And then with, with reader and, and, uh, chaser, like that was beautiful. right yeah Like every, everyone had, I mean, even. Leaf or Sam like he he said it was his favorite character of all time like and yet I honestly had no understanding of where to put or bring his character but he's his heart was in it and you saw his passion for who Leaf was and how to
01:14:29
Speaker
help the group and bring that dynamic of like, yeah, yeah, I'm a lovable guy, but I would slice your throat in a moment. Like, yeah, yeah. I agree that Hobbit was important, but I think a season two with understanding that, yeah, it was a TV show, you know? Animal Kingdom's a TV show. And now you're on a different path and maybe they connect, maybe they don't. But you'll have to wait and see and find and play through it and see if they thought that they did. I would love to connect it. Anyway, so, but my thought was playing a very different aged character. So I was playing this young kind of naive, like, I thought it might be funny to play this old, like crusty old Komodo dragon that was a bard.
01:15:22
Speaker
a bard ah and just had all these stories and was going to tell. Oh, no, I played one, didn't I, in some sort of crossover thing or like spin off. Oh, that's right. We played. um we We played with Hebridean Tales. That's why. OK. we we um We collaborated with a podcast called Hebridean Tales and they had us on their show for a as guest stars, a couple of us, and um they said make a character. I looked at the options, saw that one of them was a lizard folk type of like
01:16:01
Speaker
option. I was like, well, that should go well with the character that I was thinking about playing in Animal Kingdom, but just decided not to, you know, I decided to go for um Hava instead. And so I was like, here's a good opportunity for me to play this old, like komodo dragon character and so I just recycled that for that that character for that little um one shot podcast was a couple couple episodes I think that we we did with a brilliant tale so if you want to hear me as a old crotchety
01:16:32
Speaker
um Komodo dragon you could go and find a good episode and Jesse if
Collaborative Episode with Hebridean Tales
01:16:39
Speaker
you want you can link it in the description. I haven't listened to it but I think it has come out yeah so you can link that episode if you'd like to check it out. Me and Luke and Jesse were in it. No Luke didn't. Luke tried. He tried but he had issues with the thing so it was me and Jesse that were in that. yeah
01:17:03
Speaker
But we are in a new collaboration with, and that actually comes out this week with the ARPG guys. ah So that um Marvel one comes out this next Friday. No, not this coming Friday, the one after. Just before we end it. ah Any last thoughts for our main feed people? I hope you guys enjoyed it. like It was cool. yeah my it been ah You forget like like how much goes into... like It's easy to record it and stuff, but to edit it and put all the final touches on it, go it's a long way.
01:17:40
Speaker
So shout out to you, Jester, getting it done. It sounded really good and good job because it's fun. It's fun to do them. It is really fun to put it all together. And oh, yeah, it's just really cool. And yeah, it's been a pleasure and fun to do it. And I hope we come back for season two. I'm so excited for doing it. So be interesting. It's going to be amazing. I love the worlds you create, Jester. You do a great job. and So many worlds. So many worlds. I love the worlds you create. Most of Most of them. It took a while to warm up, to wander wind, but you know, you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Eventually that was good. Yes. After he could like finally embrace his villain character, then it was good.
Fan Art and Upcoming Releases
01:18:27
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good look well i know I had to wash myself after. To wash myself after. about that character
01:18:34
Speaker
yeah was It was a harsh character. Sorry, I can't wait to release those episodes. and Anything last to say, Luke? Raw fan art. Yes. Yes. Cool.
Podcast Journey Reflection
01:18:50
Speaker
I said this before, but I just wanted to say thank you guys for playing it. It was, we had our highs and lows, we had a bit bickering sometimes here and there, but we got through it and I enjoyed most of it uh editing is no joke uh a headache and a half uh but yeah uh thank you listeners for being a part of it and hopefully you'll join us on our patreon feed to hear more specific things about uh specific questions that we have for each other until then next week or the next release will hopefully be or had been the
01:19:32
Speaker
collaboration with AARPG podcast. And after that, we'll hopefully be our new campaign, which you'll probably hear ah intro. What is happening there? Sorry, it's just Luke just got even blurrier. Sorry, that's bad. for It doesn't work in an audio media, but it's just really funny. Yeah, ah yeah yeah ah we will be starting our Star Wars campaign then. This is going chaos right now. It is going chaos, sorry. um We're not gonna have like an outro right now. Just join us on our patreon. Thank you all and we love you. Yes till next time. Bye hey Oh Lucas Lucas back. Holy cow. It's like he had to turn off his camera for a second to clean it Honestly, it was like drunk vision. It was like we're all blurred and it was like what's going on?
01:20:26
Speaker
and Put my glasses back up. He was frantically trying to clean the camera so he could wave at the end. True.