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Episode 116: Newcastle's Best & Worst Managers of the PL era
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It's Wildcard Wednesday with Michael, Kev and Joanne and in this episode, the team discuss the hits and misses of Eddie Howe's signings before discussing Newcastle's 15 permanent Premier League managers. Who sits on the throne? Who throws the dog a bone? And who gave us the most groans? Find out all that and more here!
Host - Michael (Anthony) Grahamslaw
Guests - Kevin Esther & Joanne Ayres
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Introduction and Hosts' Banter
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, the Global Sports Podcast Network and the Daily Newcastle team proudly present to you episode 116 of the Daily Newcastle Podcast. And it is...
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Wild Card Wednesday. And in case you haven't been able to tell just yet, your host for this episode is none other than me, M to the A to the G, Michael Gramslall.
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But who am I joined by today? I'm joined by the lovely but devil some duo of Joanne and Kev. How's it going, Joe?
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Jo
yeah
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Jo
Michael, that's excellent. I love him. I'm to the A to the G, man. That's brilliant. You win. You win on intros. That's it. However, I'm dying for Kemp to speak because he's got a mouth full of doughnut.
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oh
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Jo
Come on, Kemp. Spit it out.
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Yeah, I was giving him a bit of time.
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Kev
I'm done with that man.
00:00:56
Jo
Oh, he's done.
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Oh!
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Jo
Look at that.
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Kev
Unbelievable.
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How are you doing, careful? How was the donut?
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Kev
A donut was amazing. Shout out to Greg's if you want to give me a sponsorship personally. here I'll eat a donut every episode. m but I've been running around so look I've got to eat on my go.
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Jo
Wow.
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Kev
This is life now. It's all good. Very happy. Very excited for a wild call Wednesday, which I've been shunned from. so
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Well, hopefully I don't disappoint because I've got a corker of an episode lined up today and we're going to start off.
Newcastle United Transfers Discussion
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Well, it's the final episode that we're actually going to be able to talk about transfers. So with the signings Newcastle have made under anyhow, I do just want to get a very quick.
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summary on whether they've been a hit or a miss. So the that's the first game we're going to play and obviously we can expand a little bit on the ones that aren't obvious. um So speaking of obvious, I'll throw some softballs to start off.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah For the first 10, Joe can you go first and then Kev you'll follow up. Just a hit or a miss.
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Kev
Yep.
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Kieran Trippier.
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Jo
Oh well. Huge hit. Out of the park.
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nop
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Jo
Home run.
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Kev
Yeah, brilliant hit.
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yeah
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Kev
Everything about that bloke, leadership qualities when he first came, amazing.
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Absolutely, and I said I was going to throw softballs and it doesn't get any softer than that. But, Chris would.
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Jo
Right. It was obviously a miss for us, which is a real shame because he's been a massive hit for Forrest, hasn't he? So yeah, unfortunately for us. But you know what? He did kind of serve a purpose to a degree.
00:02:29
Jo
He just didn't get the goals we wanted him. But it's it's got to be class of miss, hasn't it?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
What?
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Kev
miss probably the worst strike I've ever seen where the black and white stripes apart from Rondon horrendous Rondon was awful as well just bubble them into the net I'm not actually I didn't like Rondon I thought Chris Wood was hopeless Wood would just run around and even when across did come into the box he was nowhere near it he's been brilliant for forest but I just do not understand how that happened and
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what Rondon!
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Jo
No, Kev.
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Right, get off. Rondon was fantastic.
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Jo
You're sacked.
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You're having a laugh.
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Right, I could agree with the comparison of a manual Riviera in Chriswood at the time, but Rondon, absolutely not.
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Kev
I thought I didn't like one done.
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but
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Kev
Sorry.
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Well, we've established.
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Jo
I think we're gonna go way off here now.
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Kev
so Sorry.
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Yeah, we've well I'm going to maintain professionalism.
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Kev
Sorry.
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and We've got one hit, one miss to start off. Bruno Gamares.
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Jo
Well, another home run hit, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Kev
Yeah, absolute quality, massive, massive hit.
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Jo
For obvious reasons, come on.
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Very obvious. Dan Byrne.
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Jo
The hit that new nobody realised was gonna be a hit, that's what it is.
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Absolutely.
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Kev
yep the hit which nobody expected like where that came it was like crazy frog crazy frog was a hit but nobody knows how dan burke is a huge hit in again what what a what a lad love him oh
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What do you think? um
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Jo
That's what, yep. Everyone thought it was gonna be a miss. Mm-hmm.
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I feel like Danburn's a little bit less annoying than the Crazy Frog though.
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Kev
yeah yeah i just meant like nobody sort of had been becoming big but he dances the same as crazy frog
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Jo
Dances a bit like him with that weird dance.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
100%! ah Well, I'm going to swiftly move on from Danburn's Dancer and go to Matt Target. Excellent while on loan.
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Kev
That's a good one.
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but
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Jo
Oh, you know, I'm gonna say a hit mainly because... Just hear me out. It's really down to the fact that his injury record with us that we're gonna think of him as a miss because he, you know, he has then put in some decent performances for us. So I'm gonna be nice to him. I'm gonna say if we're purely going hit a miss here, he's not an entire miss, is he?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Was not expecting that.
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Jo
People will be screaming at me saying I don't know what I'm talking about at this point.
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Kev
Yeah.
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Jo
I totally appreciate that. But why not?
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I might agree.
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Jo
know let's get to Let's get some reactions on the go.
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Kev
Yeah, I'd agree as well. I think it's a miss.
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Gotta be.
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Kev
I think his loan spell was really good, but after that, just it's almost like he was playing for a contract and he got the move and he got the contract.
00:04:41
Jo
I feel sorry for him. I do. I know.
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Jo
I don't know.
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Kev
and and Even when he did play, he didn't look anything near what he was when he was on loan.
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Jo
You didn't get injured on purpose.
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Kev
So it's a miss for me.
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Jo
What do you mean?
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Kev
and And he's on high wages. I think he's on around 70 to 80 grand a week.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
100 grand.
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Kev
And you just think, God, that could be so much better spent.
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Jo
That part's a miss here. Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Jo
yeah
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Moving on, Nick Pope.
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Jo
We've got to stay a hit.
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In the middle of our goal.
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Jo
I know everyone's like saying that they want Dubs to be remaining and Pope not just come back from his injury but for what has happened with Pope ever since we've signed him he's a hit. Very big hit.
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Kev
Yeah, probably a hit, but and not as big as what people think. I don't know. or I feel like not as big as what other people would say, but I think he is a hit.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
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Kev
and But I mean, £10 million. pounds And then, look, with your appearances, you've got all of them in clean shits cra sheets out of them.
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Jo
It's a bargain.
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Kev
I think you have to say it.
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Jo
He's been a bargain hasn't he?
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Kev
Yeah.
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Yeah, 100%. And I love the part that wasn't cheats that you'd said there and were very kind.
00:05:43
Kev
Clean sheets, yeah.
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of
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Kev
Clean sheets. Loads of clean sheets for £10 million. Well done.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Exactly.
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Kev
One sheet.
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Absolutely fun. So what I was going to say is the injuries may have let them down a little bit. And obviously the the injury for the cup final wasn't great.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Injury record isn't great. If we can sort of end up with them off the books with a similar price tag, 100% a hit in my opinion, so I'd agree. Sven Botman and Alexander Ryzak, I think they're both going to be hits.
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Jo
Yeah. Ease up more so though, because we haven't had enough out of Botman.
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Kev
He's definitely a hit.
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Jo
That's the thing, we haven't just haven't had enough of Botman just because of his massive injury again. Not his fault. But we haven't had enough of Botman yet, that's all.
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Kev
Yeah, I'd probably say a botman's a hit, but I'm probably undecided.
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Jo
But we can't class him as a miss, surely.
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Kev
I know you had that great season.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh.
00:06:30
Kev
His first season was brilliant. And then I was like, right.
00:06:32
Jo
Hmm?
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Kev
He's got his first season out of the way. Some straight, we'll start to figure him out. And when he just got injured and we haven't really seen him the best of him, I know he played in between them, but he was playing injured.
00:06:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:40
Kev
So I don't want to hold that against him too much. But yeah, it hit, but could be a missing both five years time.
00:06:46
Jo
I know what you're talking about, Kev.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Interesting, interesting.
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Jo
I do agree with that.
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Yankuba minte.
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Jo
Well...
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Kev
Massive hit. PSO.
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Biggest hits we've had.
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Kev
Unbelievable.
00:06:57
Jo
Money-wise, he's like that, yeah.
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Kev
Never played a game. Never played a game. Huge hit. Cheers, young Kuba.
00:07:04
Jo
Yeah.
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Kev
See you next time.
00:07:06
Jo
Just get that we didn't at least get to see him in black and white a bit. Just see what he could have done.
00:07:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it's one of those. It looks like such a raw talent that, but particularly with, you know, how many people think we need another right winger, which Al Maran's going to go and he's probably not going to be your replaced.
00:07:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that tells you everything about how we need a right winger. But I think he would have done a fan. He would have been fantastic for the team. Oh, moving on to the, the other flank, Harvey Barnes hits or miss Joanne.
00:07:35
Jo
I know what Kev's gonna say here, go on Kev, go first.
00:07:36
Kev
Oh, I've been seeing it for ages. Ages when nobody else was, I was seeing this.
00:07:39
Jo
Go on Kev.
00:07:41
Kev
I'll let you go first, old jokers. That's the rules.
00:07:44
Jo
But I, no it's fine. But I do agree with what you're about to say, because I know exactly how you feel. He's kind of a hit, but not entirely. Because yeah, I think, I don't know, he's right in the middle.
00:07:58
Jo
He's not hit or a miss for me.
00:07:58
Kev
Nah, he's a mess.
00:07:59
Jo
He's sitting right on the fence. He's wobbling all over the shop.
00:08:01
Kev
He's a miss. He's a miss. 40 million pounds. um He's a great finisher. Don't get me wrong. He's brilliant when he cuts inside.
00:08:07
Jo
This is where I'm leaning a bit because he can.
00:08:08
Kev
But I don't really see him beat a man. I don't see him do much really. And i just for me, I expected so much more when we signed him. um
00:08:17
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Yeah, I agree.
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Kev
And I just think for £40 million, pounds and again, probably the wages he's on, we've got Gordon. I know Gordon, when he was signed, was supposed to be a right winger, because when you look at the background of the day, Gordon signed and the presentation ma showed him, people found he was a right winger and Barnes was made for the left.
00:08:33
Kev
But, yeah, he's a mess. He just hasn't done enough for me. um Unfortunately, good impact play I would keep him for the bench, but I think the way we are at the minute with PSR, we could do with getting some money for him rather than just keeping him for the bench.
00:08:40
Jo
Yeah.
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Jo
We need to at least get our money back from though, surely.
00:08:48
Kev
I'd accept 35, 5 million loss.
00:08:48
Jo
But, yeah.
00:08:49
Kev
I would accept it, get the wages, get 35 million in.
00:08:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. 100%. I think it's a tough one because he has all the potential to be fantastic. It just hasn't really worked out for him at Newcastle. But speaking of players who have recently signed and it maybe hasn't worked out for as much as what they maybe would have hoped, the final one is Lloyd Kelly.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Hit or miss so far?
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Kev
Hmm.
00:09:15
Jo
I don't think we've seen enough of him. I'm still on the fence about him and he's still young and I still think he's got potential, but it's all guesswork.
00:09:18
Kev
Yeah.
00:09:23
Jo
He hasn't played enough for us. He's had some good games. He's had some bad games. So again, I'm going to have to sit right in the middle of like Kelly. I can't, I wouldn't want to class him as a miss, but you can't class him as a hit.
00:09:29
Kev
I think I'm gonna.
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Yeah.
00:09:33
Jo
Do you know what I mean?
00:09:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
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Jo
It's like, I don't know.
00:09:35
Kev
I'm going to answer because Michael added that we end up at so far. I think so far probably a miss, but it's not his fault. I just think he hasn't had the opportunity to play and get a regular run of games.
00:09:42
Jo
Yeah. yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
And she not.
00:09:47
Kev
But is it really a miss because he's on a free? And even if we sell him a 15 million, my profitability there again is very clever.
00:09:50
Jo
That's what I mean, yeah.
00:09:52
Jo
let yeah
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Kev
so Performance-wise, so far, I would say missed, but we haven't seen him. He needs an opportunity, but I hope he never gets one because I want Hall to stay fit, I want Botman to stay fit, and I want Shaw to stay fit.
00:10:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:05
Kev
So, and yeah, missed so far, but I still think he he was a very good player in there.
00:10:06
Jo
Cool.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
It's a good point.
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Yeah, a hundred percent. I'd agree. I think the only thing that puts me off with Kelly is the, the wage. Obviously you sign a player on a free transfer. The wage is obviously going to be a bit higher. Um, but if you sign them on a free, sell them after a year or two, that wage doesn't really come too much into the equation.
00:10:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
That could be fantastic. But I think we saw against Chelsea, all the potentials there using played
00:10:32
Kev
I'm a copier, he had a great game.
00:10:34
Jo
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Exactly. Absolutely fantastic. But we've also seen the worst album.
00:10:37
Jo
ah if
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Global Sports Podcast Network
So there were plenty of other players I could have mentioned, Carius, Cool, Lewis Hall for a hit, Tino Livrimento for a hit.
00:10:42
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Could have mentioned the new Greek keeper, Odysseus, Vlachimidas, or Deimos, sort of say.
00:10:50
Kev
Hit. Clean sheet against shit against England.
00:10:53
Jo
Did you just say, flap your minos?
00:10:55
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Yeah. Might as well have said Nikos.
00:10:56
Jo
That's brilliant. Michael, you're coming out with some great ones tonight.
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Dabi's ass, to be honest.
00:11:00
Jo
I'll give you that.
00:11:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. ah I butchered that a little bit, but I'll own it.
00:11:03
Jo
but
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Vlochidimos, should I say. um But yeah, there's been so many more hits than misses. And sort of what I wanted to bring with that is, you know, it's very frustrating having the transfer window and not having people come through.
00:11:18
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But what we are finding is that we do have more hits than misses. And when the misses have come, they've been bad. But when the hits have come, they've been absolutely phenomenal. And speaking of phenomenal,
00:11:29
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It's about time we go to our first advert of the evening.
00:11:32
Kev
Donut time.
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00:11:37
Jo
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00:12:02
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Absolutely fantastic. Thank you very much, Joanne. What do you think about that, Kev?
00:12:07
Kev
ah
00:12:07
Jo
Speak now.
00:12:08
Kev
Mmmmmm.
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You knew that was coming. It's fine.
00:12:10
Jo
Mmm. Yummy.
00:12:12
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00:12:28
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and whatever else the kids are using these days, because who knows.
Ranking Newcastle United Managers
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But what I do know is that in the Premier League era, Newcastle United have had 15 permanent managers, and it feels like that's the perfect number to dissect and create our rankings from best to worst.
00:12:44
Kev
Wow.
00:12:44
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Or should I say worst to best? So we're doing Premier League era because if anyone can tell me about the playing style of Frank Watt, I'll be amazed. But quite frankly, I don't know.
00:12:55
Kev
the frank Frank was very direct.
00:12:55
Jo
That's brilliant.
00:12:58
Kev
He liked the good inverted wingers to help out with centre midfielders.
00:13:00
Jo
Wow.
00:13:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh.
00:13:03
Kev
Big Frank, good coach.
00:13:04
Jo
Big crank.
00:13:05
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All right. Where would you rank them?
00:13:07
Jo
Wow.
00:13:07
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no more ah I'm actually already done a little bit of a a seeding platform myself, so it didn't take too long. So pull together a bottom five and a top 10. Obviously there is, you know, room for maneuver, but Steve Bruce, Sam Allardyce, Steve McLaren, Joe F. Canier and John Carver.
00:13:31
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And to fit into this list, it had to be full-time managers with over 10 games played.
00:13:32
Jo
yeah
00:13:35
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So out of the five names there, I want you to start me off with a manager that you both think was the best manager out of those five.
00:13:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:43
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So they would sit an 11th out of Bruce, Allardyce, McLaren, Keneer and Carver.
00:13:52
Jo
But Carver, Carver was the one that stated that he said he was the best manager
00:13:52
Kev
um Mine's going to be so unpopular.
00:13:57
Kev
Best coach in the world, is he?
00:13:58
Jo
Yeah, so he's gotta be the best surely based on his massive head that he's got.
00:14:00
Kev
Get in, Carvelad.
00:14:05
Jo
Oh god.
00:14:06
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We're saying managers, not coaches, so we'll we'll give them a bit of leeway.
00:14:09
Jo
i
00:14:10
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We'll give them a little bit of wee there. Big John. because oh Best coach in the world.
00:14:14
Jo
who
00:14:15
Kev
Right.
00:14:16
Jo
That's close.
00:14:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
But who we're saying?
00:14:17
Kev
I've had a bit of a think. I've had another bite of donut.
00:14:19
Jo
Go on then.
00:14:20
Kev
I'm ready to answer this.
00:14:21
Jo
He's on now.
00:14:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Let's power them up.
00:14:22
Jo
Wow.
00:14:24
Kev
This is going to be really unpopular. I'm just going to come out and say it. The best out of them, in my opinion, Steve Bruce.
00:14:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:14:33
Kev
He had Mike Ashley, zero money to work with, absolute crap squad. We literally only had Maxi, maybe Willick when he first came on loan. and and nothing else.
00:14:44
Kev
We just didn't have a team. And you know what, I think we finished, correct me if I'm wrong, my luck, because I haven't looked this up, but I think we finished like 13th, 13th, maybe 12th and something else.
00:14:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Around there, yeah.
00:14:56
Kev
and And you know what, he had absolutely no money, zero money. but Don't get me wrong, a playing style was crap, but out of Emory was much better. I was going to put Allardyce, but Allardyce had like Bella Zogloo, Emory,
00:15:07
Kev
Michael Owens, Scott Parker.
00:15:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, brilliant.
00:15:10
Kev
He had a great team. He had Damian Duff, Nobby Solano.
00:15:12
Jo
Hmm.
00:15:13
Kev
So personally I don't understand how on earth I can put Allardyce above Bruce when Bruce had an absolute dire squad um and Allardyce had a much better squad.
00:15:24
Jo
Yeah, but Allardyce wasn't really one manager for very long though. We had Bruce much longer.
00:15:27
Kev
I remember battering Bolton with overfemme Martens going like an overhead kick and I thought Allardyce is a genius but then it was just because it was his old club and he knew everything about him so he looked brilliant.
00:15:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:15:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
It got sucked almost immediately.
00:15:36
Jo
But we only had Allardy- Is my memory serving me wrong?
00:15:36
Kev
um
00:15:39
Jo
Did we only have Allardyce for half a season though?
00:15:42
Kev
For me,
00:15:42
Jo
Yeah, so it's not like he did, because hes he loves that.
00:15:47
Kev
yeah but he only got sacked.
00:15:47
Jo
He loves getting stuff.
00:15:48
Kev
I have to remember about Allardyce as well. He only got sacked because of a change of ownership. Ashley wanted to bring in Kevin Keegan, didn't he?
00:15:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:15:54
Jo
Mm-hmm.
00:15:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Good point.
00:15:55
Kev
So um I think personally I would go Bruce top um and then I'd probably go Allardy second. and I mean after I'd take your pick, I'd probably go McLaren third because we'll beat Norwich 6-2 or something.
00:16:08
Kev
And then I'd chuck, I'd chuck, who's left?
00:16:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Carver.
00:16:11
Kev
Canoe in because in Carver, just stick them in whatever order you want.
00:16:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh.
00:16:15
Kev
But actually, out of M5, you know what?
00:16:17
Jo
Neil Aston.
00:16:17
Kev
i'm I'm going to make an argument for Steve Bruce being 11. I honestly thought with a squad he had, a squad he had and all that stuff, I think he was the best.
00:16:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
What do you think, Joe? Do you agree? Oh, would you change it a little bit?
00:16:30
Jo
I don't know, I'm struggling between Allardyce and Bruce purely because what I've just said like he only had half a season. Taught judgment half a season when I know what you're saying Kev completely by the way with what he was working with and stuff but
00:16:46
Kev
He had a great squad.
00:16:48
Jo
I know but all the dice literally had like half a season and was like Michael said was sacked because the fat man came in and really really went to town on my
00:16:55
Kev
Yeah, but if he was doing a good job, he would have made himself unsackable, wouldn't he? So he wasn't, he wasn't pulling up any trees where Ashley was like, well, I can't get rid of, you know, if he won like 12 out of his first 20 and then drew about five and we were sat sixth, it would be impossible for him to get sacked.
00:17:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:17:12
Kev
So.
00:17:13
Jo
I know that, but look at how many managers we have who have not done that as well and who haven't been sacked by January.
00:17:17
Kev
and but that's my reason worse That's why I think Bruce is better, personally. I just think Bruce is better nowadays.
00:17:21
Jo
um um I'm on the fence because I hate them all. I don't like, yeah, I don't i don't like any of them.
00:17:24
Kev
I don't hate Bruce. I don't hate him. I just...
00:17:27
Jo
I'm saying I hate them, right?
00:17:27
Kev
I turned on him at the end.
00:17:28
Jo
I just dislike all of the ones you've just mentioned. ah I can't like them.
00:17:30
Kev
I defended Bruce for a long, long time until I just couldn't anymore, but I did defend him.
00:17:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
no
00:17:35
Kev
I don't mind Bruce.
00:17:35
Jo
I don't know, because he made some really stupid statements, stupid mistakes.
00:17:36
Kev
I'm going Bruce. Great question, Michael. Michael deserves credit here, by the way.
00:17:39
Jo
He did do a lot of things wrong.
00:17:40
Kev
What a question that is. And I would love to see what people comment on this episode about who do we rank as the best out of M5.
00:17:42
Jo
It is. It's a great question. It is.
00:17:48
Jo
It's a great debate. I'll be, but Michael, I'm going to flip it back on you.
00:17:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, yes.
00:17:51
Jo
What order would you put them in?
00:17:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Um, so I was Bruce Allardyce, McLaren, Kenya and Carver the exact rank and I gave it to you.
00:17:57
Kev
Same. Same.
00:17:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep. There you go.
00:17:59
Jo
Their play.
00:18:00
Kev
Exactly the same.
00:18:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:18:02
Kev
Well done, Michael.
00:18:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
manly
00:18:03
Kev
High five.
00:18:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mainly because it's one of those where Allardyce, I remember it being absolutely terrible. And I remember being a young lad and being like, oh, i I'm struggling here because this is terrible. Well, under Bruce, I've never wavered. I always wanted to still watch the game.
00:18:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
I always still wanted to go watch with ah like going to the nil-nil against Norwich where I don't think either team had a shot on target I was still coming out that and going you know what lads let's go to the pub have a good time let's you know it's a match day it's gonna be brilliant so I have to give Bruce that for me my time knowing Steve Bruce as a manager was better than knowing Sam Allardyce but I'm interested Kenira Carver for you Joanne who's bottom
00:18:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:18:50
Jo
honestly because it's the bottom I'm struggling to really care what order they're in so we're just sticking with what you guys said like well no like I'm gonna stick what you guys have said is what I mean like because I literally couldn't pick between I'll be picking for the same pair sake of picking so I'm gonna go what you guys have said I agree stick with the same five that's good I'm good with that you deserves it really for being big-headed
00:18:56
Kev
Joe, man, stop ruining it. It's good.
00:19:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right. The greatest coach in the world is in last place. And there's.
00:19:15
Kev
Sorry, John.
00:19:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh.
00:19:16
Kev
Maybe West Ham at home for you, Neil.
00:19:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh And I think would be Tool City as well. Rebi Kabir, getting his only go for the club.
00:19:23
Kev
Yeah. All that.
00:19:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Happy, happy times. But that was his last, that is the illustrious last place as the worst Newcastle manager in Premier League history. And before we find out who the very best Newcastle manager has been, which is ultimately a lot better of a conversation, we're going to stick with the theme of best with our next sponsor, the Global Sports Podcast Network.
00:19:42
Kev
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00:20:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
absolutely cracking thank you very much so we've uncovered who the worst manager in Premier League history is and to be honest not just the worst Newcastle manager the literal worst manager um so we got that bottom five but I actually had a bottom six and I took one person out so my number 10 seed was Rude Hullet And you'll both probably remember Hullet a little bit better than I do.
00:20:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Who was a better manager? for And this is for Newcastle, not overall. Steve Bruce or Rude Hullet?
00:20:44
Kev
You know what, Bruce?
00:20:46
Jo
I'd probably say Bruce, you know.
00:20:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
All right.
00:20:48
Kev
I'd put Bruce above Hullo's, because Hullo had again, he had it he didn't he didn't have the best squad, because Douglas killed Keegan's squad, but he still had a relatively good squad to work with, and was still absolutely hopeless.
00:20:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
There we go.
00:20:49
Jo
I know. No, I know. I would. I had some better times, ironically, under Bruce.
00:20:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:21:00
Kev
And I mean, who drops? You know what, right? Steve Bruce might be a bad manager, but who drops Alan Shee, refer to a time weird hobby.
00:21:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah excellent point beautiful i might as well have asked a little carver but that leads to our top 10 where i want to play a little bit of a game of this or that so we're going to start off with a man we've already decided on 10th seed Stevie Bruce moving up the rankings or am i
00:21:08
Jo
Spifle, isn't it?
00:21:08
Kev
There's no way it's Brucie dropping She-Ra for a time weird, obviously.
00:21:10
Jo
Spifle.
00:21:11
Kev
You know what? Hold it, you've gone down even more. Bruce, welcome to the top 10, son.
00:21:16
Jo
ah
00:21:20
Jo
hey
00:21:32
Kev
Good, man.
00:21:34
Jo
It's gonna end up in the top five, isn't he? Can you imagine? He's gonna just bit by bit, climb his way up.
00:21:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Steve Bruce or Kevin Keegan?
00:21:41
Jo
Sorry. Oh, come on.
00:21:44
Kev
Oh, that's a tough one.
00:21:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Steve Bruce or Chris Yooten?
00:21:51
Jo
Oh, Chris Hooten.
00:21:51
Kev
Yeah, Hughty all day long, always have a special place in our hearts at Newcastle United for Chris Hughty.
00:21:52
Jo
No, I love Chris Hooten.
00:21:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:21:54
Jo
Yeah. no Massive soft spot for him here.
00:21:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
And I was hoping to say that to lead up to Chris Yooten versus his successor, Alan Pardew. Who was a better manager for Newcastle?
00:22:07
Jo
I just love Hooten, so I've got a real issue here. I've got such a soft spot for Hooten that I'm going to struggle to pick Pardew all of them, even though we had some good times under Pardew as well.
00:22:16
Kev
I was one of them fans. I was one of them fans who went nuts when Houghton went for no apparent reason and Pardew came in as the most random appointment ever but you know what was the right decision because Pardew got us 50, got us to a quarterfinal of the Europa League.
00:22:31
Kev
I'm going Pardew over Houghton just in terms of what we did for Newcastle but in terms of which one I liked more, I probably liked Houghton but I didn't dislike Pardew, I just think Pardew was, he had better times than Pardew for me.
00:22:32
Jo
I know.
00:22:38
Jo
Yeah, that's why it's a struggle. We had some good times, we did.
00:22:45
Kev
did very bleak.
00:22:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, like...
00:22:47
Kev
oh Also, it was, it was good times in such a bleak period for the club. And I think that's more impressive.
00:22:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:22:53
Kev
And I don't know if it was all down to him or if it was our scout, what you call them thingy car, but the team part you had like that was such a street.
00:22:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
A grim car, yeah.
00:23:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Incredible.
00:23:02
Kev
We'll never forget team.
00:23:03
Jo
It was.
00:23:03
Kev
So yeah. Pardon you for building my team.
00:23:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Oh, ah it's, I believe that's 1-1 and I will say I do have Pardew above you and myself.
00:23:13
Jo
Oh, no.
00:23:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I will be the decider there.
00:23:14
Jo
No, um I am i'm with you. It's fine. I am with you on the pod. It's just my soft spot for you. And that's all that took over there.
00:23:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
I get it.
00:23:21
Jo
So it's fine.
00:23:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
I get it. So Alan Pardue or Glenn Roder, who was a better manager for Newcastle.
00:23:28
Jo
Oh, God rest his soul. um
00:23:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:23:31
Kev
you know what Glen Roeder when he first kicked we were 14 for we finished seventh that season but then the full time season after that I'm gonna go Pardew because he kept it a little bit more steady over a longer period of time and people forget you know Pardew left us to go to Palace I know he was pretty much getting hounded out
00:23:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Incredible.
00:23:35
Jo
Oh no.
00:23:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:23:48
Kev
in Ashley just didn't want to sack him so I'm not I'm not that silly in terms of he left us he was pretty much getting hounded out but he still left us on like 14th he took over us on 12th and in between that we had like fifth and a a couple of decent finishes so for stability I'm going Pardue over Rota I didn't I didn't mind the Rota years but Pardue
00:23:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:23:52
Jo
Yeah.
00:23:57
Jo
yeah
00:24:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, wasn't bad.
00:24:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, spot on.
00:24:07
Jo
I'll agree with that.
00:24:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now we'll move on to one of Newcastle's most favourite managers, Alan Pardew or Graeme Souness, who was better for Newcastle.
00:24:21
Kev
Go on, Joe, that one's easy.
00:24:21
Jo
Pard you. Pard you.
00:24:24
Kev
Yep. Pardon you. Souness just destroyed. Like, he started just picking fights started picking fights with Bellamy and stuff.
00:24:27
Jo
I really don't like him either.
00:24:32
Kev
like Like, just keep Robson's team.
00:24:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:24:33
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:34
Kev
Do what Robson was doing. You would have been fighting, but when he just...
00:24:35
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:36
Kev
He picked a fight with Robert, he picked a fight with Bellamy, he picked a fight with Dyer, I was like, honestly, get gone.
00:24:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:43
Kev
You're a nightmare.
00:24:43
Jo
Mm-hmm.
00:24:44
Kev
So, yeah. Pardon you, much better than Souness.
00:24:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, so does Alan Pardew make it into the top five? Well, that's going to be decided when we do Alan Pardew versus Kenny Daglish.
00:24:47
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:57
Kev
A hundred percent.
00:24:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:24:58
Kev
Daghlish killed Keegan squad.
00:25:00
Jo
Yeah, I was going to say Pardew.
00:25:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:25:01
Kev
Yeah. Pardon you.
00:25:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, what was, what was your problem with the dirt cliche era?
00:25:03
Kev
A hundred percent. Not even.
00:25:03
Jo
I just liked Aglish a lot.
00:25:05
Kev
I would get Daghlish below. out I would put Daghlish below. Rhoda. Who else have we just mentioned?
00:25:09
Jo
I would.
00:25:10
Kev
um Who was the one before Rhoda?
00:25:11
Jo
Sorta. I've got a massive dislike for Dagly.
00:25:16
Kev
Yeah, I'd put a shooting above Dalish.
00:25:18
Jo
I would put Hooten above him as well, yeah.
00:25:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, Oh.
00:25:19
Kev
We were in the championship, we were in the championship, and we needed like stability i and somebody to really do a job.
00:25:25
Kev
I mean, Dalish took over. When we just finished second in Mali, I know Dalish ended up finishing second. But he literally decided to sell, like, Janola in Ferdinand and bring in 39-year-old Ian Rushing, 37-year-old John Barnes or something.
00:25:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:25:37
Kev
Absolutely ridiculous. So, yeah, Dalish is well down there.
00:25:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Did that, it still made two finals. Two finals, second place, but still still worse than Roaner.
00:25:44
Kev
Nah, hopeless. It was Keegan's team and he still destroyed it.
00:25:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
True. True, true. So that puts Alan Pardew into the top five Newcastle managers of the Premier League era.
00:25:55
Kev
Yeah, he deserved that. Well done here, Pete.
00:25:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I think this might be where his run ends as we decide who was better for Newcastle, Alan Pardew or Rafael Benitez.
00:26:07
Jo
beniina
00:26:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, there's a quiet from Kev.
00:26:11
Kev
I don't think, but he is.
00:26:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh.
00:26:13
Jo
I'm not saying there's a massive gulf by the way, I'm not saying like, I'm just answering at that off if you want an immediate answer.
00:26:17
Kev
rougher rougher I remember going to a championship game when Rafa sat 11 men behind the ball at home to Burton and we won 1-0. That was a bad time. I don't, Rafa, other than his reputation, no, but like every game, I remember City at home, like he would just, and I know man City you were brilliant, but like, we'd never attacked.
00:26:27
Jo
You're just going to do it one more time.
00:26:33
Jo
I don't know what you're talking about.
00:26:35
Kev
And I was like, do not get Newcastle at all, like attack.
00:26:38
Jo
It wasn't the most attractive football yet.
00:26:39
Kev
Like you're playing Burnley at home in the Premier League in the first season, but up attack, please attack.
00:26:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
no
00:26:44
Kev
And I know he didn't have a good squad. I know he had Ashley, but so did Pardew. And Pardew found a way to build these players for me. I much preferred watching Newcastle United under Alan Pardew when I did under Rafa, and that will get so much hate, so bring it on.
00:26:58
Jo
I know what you mean.
00:27:01
Kev
but I'd put Pardew above Rafa. Just in terms of Newcastle, overall CV? Rafa.
00:27:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, of course not.
00:27:08
Kev
Just Newcastle.
00:27:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh yeah, I'm not asking that though.
00:27:08
Jo
To be fair, because I know what's coming up, um I'm starting to get concerned already, because obviously we know who we're going to end with here.
00:27:09
Kev
Just Newcastle, Pardew.
00:27:15
Jo
And I'm already starting to panic on who I'm going to pick.
00:27:18
Kev
Pardew's one ended fourth for me, personally, and he's our fourth best Premier League manager, it ended fourth because there was no way he can be his top three can Pardew get over.
00:27:18
Jo
um just
00:27:26
Kev
But Rafa, I did like Rafa, I love that he stayed with us and I love that he got us through the championship and he got us back to the Premier League.
00:27:27
Jo
no
00:27:32
Kev
But his finishes in the Premier League were very similar to Bruce, but he is, and the football wasn't wasn't that much better. So, yeah, Pardew for me.
00:27:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, what about you Joanne who are you saying?
00:27:46
Jo
Meh.
00:27:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:27:47
Jo
Let's just move on to the top three because I'm already nervous about it anyway because I can't decide what I want to pick.
00:27:49
Kev
They've got to make a decision. Go on. I'm going to get ridiculed for putting, I'm going to get ridiculed for putting hard due above rougher.
00:27:52
Jo
Ah! No, I've got to stick, look, I'm going to stick, it's all alright, I'm going to stick to my guns anyway because I did say Rafa straight off the bat so I've got to stick with it. But what you need to understand is I'm picking Rafa as a kind of, yeah.
00:28:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I will it
00:28:06
Jo
It's not by a huge margin is all I'm trying to say, yeah.
00:28:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
I will ha say I do have Benitez slightly above Pardew. I did have a signed Rafa Benitez picture on my wall at home. I definitely didn't have a signed Alan Pardew.
00:28:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
And if I did, it probably would have been for the dance in the Cup Final for Palace rather than anything else.
00:28:23
Jo
I was just about to say my favourite was the tents.
00:28:25
Kev
Palace. He did a good job at Palace.
00:28:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah He did. He's actually quite an underrated manager, if I'm completely honest.
00:28:29
Jo
Brilliant.
00:28:31
Kev
I agree.
00:28:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
But moving on, very quickly, this one's going to be Rafael Benitez or Eddie Howe.
00:28:39
Jo
I mean, yeah.
00:28:39
Kev
Eddie.
00:28:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie's doing a fantastic job.
00:28:42
Jo
Come on. Oh, this is where it's going to get horrible.
00:28:43
Kev
and And if anyone's wondering, because I put Pardew above Rafa, I would have put Eddie above Pardew as well, obviously.
00:28:50
Jo
Obviously.
00:28:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's lying.
00:28:51
Jo
Yeah, Eddie was beating whoever came there.
00:28:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's fine.
00:28:53
Jo
This is where it gets hard.
00:28:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah. So we are going to move on and I'm trying to think of which one of the top two I've seeded that I'm going to give you, but Eddie Howe or Sir Bobby Robson.
00:29:10
Jo
I've got to pick Robson. I've got to. I can't not.
00:29:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, Bobby, yeah.
00:29:15
Jo
I just can't.
00:29:15
Kev
oh My God.
00:29:16
Jo
It's hurt, but this is where this top three was going to be hard, because obviously we'll know who's coming next as well.
00:29:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:29:22
Kev
You know what, i'm gonna I'm going to try and justify it.
00:29:23
Jo
But it's got to be Sir Bobby.
00:29:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh.
00:29:26
Kev
I can't believe I'm saying, I'd probably put Bobby second by the way, which will cause more unrest because that means one man has to drop the third.
00:29:26
Jo
Go on then.
00:29:34
Kev
and Anyway, I'm going to go Eddie Howe just because of the way his coach plays like Murphy and Longstaff. I mean, Bobby Robson had Gary Speed, Lauren Robert, Nobby Solano, Alan Shearer, Craig Bellamy, Kieran Dyer, Jonathan Woodgate, Olivia Bernard, ah like Andy Griffin.
00:29:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Andy Griffin.
00:29:53
Kev
and But even then, he just, I feel like
00:29:54
Jo
on my ah
00:29:58
Kev
at their disposal of both fair teams, which finished fourth, robson's Robson had more at his disposal in terms of a squad.
00:29:58
Jo
but
00:30:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
100%.
00:30:06
Kev
Eddie Howes had to pretty much force it with players like Murphy and them. So it's going to be unpopular. I love Bobby. You know what, Bobby Robson is probably still my favourite Newcastle manager ever because when I was growing up, that was like my first team I fell in love with.
00:30:20
Kev
And maybe I'm over rating some of the players because of that.
00:30:21
Jo
Go on, Michael.
00:30:22
Kev
But in terms of just as a coach and as a manager in what we got out of players, I'm going to go Eddie Howe.
00:30:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh
00:30:33
Kev
Which I don't like doing because that's the first thing I fell in love with, first manager I fell in love with.
00:30:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
To be honest, Robert being Saudi by now, it's alright.
00:30:35
Jo
can't.
00:30:37
Kev
But I just feel like, imagine Eddie Howe if he had Robber, Speed, Dyer, Solano, she, Rebelami as a front six. ah Imagine Eddie Howe.
00:30:48
Jo
ah True.
00:30:49
Kev
i
00:30:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
That is a joke before anyone kills me. But no, what about you Joanne? How can you do it? How above Robson or is it Robinson?
00:31:00
Jo
I can't.
00:31:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
Robson in number two.
00:31:02
Jo
Robson, I can't.
00:31:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
He can't.
00:31:04
Jo
I can't.
00:31:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Which leaves, which leaves it to me to decide who's number two.
00:31:04
Jo
Sorry, Eddie, is all I'm saying.
00:31:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Is it the man that made me fall in love with football or is it
00:31:13
Kev
Same, but I had to go anyway.
00:31:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
the modern day I'm not going to say a messiah because that's cringy as it comes but I am going to say Bobby Robson did more for Newcastle overall but he did it with a better squad I will say that so I think Robson's one of the reasons why people stayed in love with Newcastle United after Keegan if it had continued the way it was going with dog leash, then into hullet.
00:31:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
If you had another bad manager after that, I think, yeah, with leads coming up as well, I think everyone would have sat there and gone, you know what? Newcastle not bothered anymore.
00:31:52
Jo
Can I be honest as well?
00:31:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, got to point out.
00:31:53
Jo
As someone who is older than the pair of you? Yeah.
00:31:59
Jo
I don't think everyone knows if they don't already, they're gonna know again.
00:31:59
Kev
Yeah.
00:32:03
Jo
But yeah, I mean, I've got like, what, 10 years on you, Kev? I've got 13 years on you? I can't remember how old you are, Michael. But you're in your 20s and I'm not.
00:32:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm really young. ah
00:32:12
Jo
Aw, thanks, I'm really old, obviously.
00:32:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
hu ah
00:32:16
Jo
But again, I suppose this again boils down to age, isn't it? Like the relevance Robson had on my life in comparison to you guys.
00:32:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:32:24
Jo
I mean, how old were you in 99?
00:32:27
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I was three.
00:32:29
Jo
So he had no impact on your life. Careful, how old were you?
00:32:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
He did. I went to be first year when I was three, four.
00:32:34
Jo
Yeah, not really. Like, I know, but you know what I mean?
00:32:36
Kev
I was gonna Well
00:32:37
Jo
Not as emotional connection as I had with Robson is all I mean, like when he was an actual manager.
00:32:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
both Oh yeah.
00:32:41
Jo
It's just, that's all I mean.
00:32:41
Kev
i was I was six when he first came up, a 2004 team and 2003 team. I was obviously 10, 11.
00:32:47
Jo
Yeah, it's when you first start to get into it, isn't it?
00:32:48
Kev
That was the first, it was the first team I fell in love with. And that's why I found it so hard to pick any help, but I try to take my emotional attachment to Bobby and them class.
00:32:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:32:56
Jo
I know.
00:32:58
Kev
But Bobby had, she imagine if how had she read at his disposal alongside Isaac. Like, like I just,
00:33:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:33:05
Jo
He wouldn't have Isaac and Shira playing together.
00:33:07
Kev
No, but what I mean is, what I mean is if, okay, so take these out of it.
00:33:08
Jo
I know this is a mad thing to say, right? It wouldn't happen.
00:33:13
Kev
Imagine if Eddie Hall had She-Ra, Bellamy, Kieran Dye, who had like 40-odd caps for England, Gary Speed, who was one of the best midfielders, Lauren Robert, best left foot we've ever seen at St James's, Nobby Solano, best crosser we've ever seen at St James's.
00:33:20
Jo
I know.
00:33:26
Kev
Bobby had a lot of the best we've ever seen at St James's and Eddie doesn't have that.
00:33:28
Jo
You did.
00:33:29
Kev
And that's why I think as a manager, I'm taking my personal, the first team I fell in love with and the first manager I fell in love with. The reason I fell in love with Newcastle pretty much is Bobby and my team.
00:33:40
Jo
oh
00:33:40
Kev
But if I take it right away, I've got to put Eddie just in terms of being a manager because of how well he's done with not as good players.
00:33:46
Jo
Well, this is why this is such a hard conversation.
00:33:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:33:48
Jo
And again, it's going to go back to different generations because Robson is not the reason I fell in love with football. Ozzie, your D-list was the manager when I started going to the stadium.
00:33:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Wow, what a still holding the mic like Ian Mackay.
00:33:58
Jo
There we go. um i I was only young by the way, I'm not that old.
00:34:01
Kev
For the listeners, 1968.
00:34:03
Jo
I'm so old. I was only a Ben, I was only nine when I started going.
00:34:07
Kev
War had been over for a couple of decades.
00:34:09
Jo
um It was a hard, hard time.
00:34:12
Kev
ah
00:34:12
Jo
I know exactly. We only lived in black and white, there was no colour.
00:34:14
Kev
You're the best John Watson impression.
00:34:18
Jo
But yeah, like just as like Kevin Keegan, for example, the entertainers, that was kind of a massive influence on my life. And then by the time, Robson, like what I'm ah old at my late teens going into my 20s when Robson was manager so it's just different phases of people's lives isn't it really so yeah that's all yeah I agree how's got time yeah
00:34:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:34:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
hundred percent so it is begrudgingly Bobby Robson that moves on and how unfortunately drops out but what I will say is that in five years time I could very easily sit here and say it's Eddie Howe very easily but I don't have a crystal ball so we're gonna move on it's gonna be exactly it is gonna be Sir Bobby Robson or Kevin Keegan for the top spot and best Newcastle manager of all time What are we saying, Kev?
00:35:09
Kev
I'm going to upset so many people, especially Joe.
00:35:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, that's what I asked you.
00:35:13
Jo
I don't know if you will, Kev.
00:35:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Come on.
00:35:15
Jo
I think everyone's gonna be split on this. You don't know what I'm gonna say.
00:35:17
Kev
and
00:35:18
Jo
I think you might be surprised.
00:35:18
Kev
I think, personally, Keegan, at his disposal, and his refusal to shut up shop and just defend and hang on in Claw Trophy home to Newcastle,
00:35:34
Kev
I think Robson was better for that reason because I mean come on Keegan look I'm not criticising the bloat right because I mean bloody hell I'm named after him right I think that's what I've been told don't know if it's true.
00:35:45
Jo
You think.
00:35:47
Kev
I've been told a couple of stories about how I was named Kevin but Kevin Keegan was manager in 93 and we were mint so yeah.
00:35:47
Jo
Brilliant. Brilliant. ah
00:35:53
Kev
and Look in terms of getting the club in terms of getting
00:35:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
take that.
00:35:57
Kev
getting the club and the fans Keegan was unbelievable for an outsider whereas obviously Bobby was born in the northeast but like he should have won that league title i'm not going to say the words he bottled it but just change your look i wasn't alive Joe can remember Joe's gonna have a much more um
00:35:59
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:06
Jo
yeah
00:36:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
He should.
00:36:14
Kev
a much more valid opinion in my head than my own opinion here because I'm looking at it from an outsider but you're 12 points clear at Christmas, you've got the likes of Janola, Beedsley, Asprey, Sheera, Ferdinand, Rob Lee, blah blah blah, this goes on Albert, how on earth can you not just sell your soul for a little bit and just stick five men at the back and just knock on, you didn just win the league, just bring the league home, just give us something in the 90s, how
00:36:37
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:39
Kev
And for that reason, I'm going to go Robson. I know I'll upset a lot of the older listeners and I will, my dad will be absolutely screaming at us right now if he's listening to this episode. I'm not criticizing Keegan. I love him.
00:36:50
Kev
I love the interviews. I love the passion. I love the way he still talks about the club. I loved it when he met Eddie Hall. I was there when we did that thing with Pete Graves.
00:36:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:36:58
Kev
I love Kevin Keegan I really do but just in terms of managers have I got a pick between Robson and Keegan I'm picking Robson but again I think what Joe said before should be mentioned Robson was my first proper team I fell in love with so I've always got a soft spot for them just not soft enough to put them in front early hell
00:37:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
so Absolutely. What about you, Joanne? Who are you saying? Kevin Keegan or Sir Bobby Robson, who was our best manager of all time?
00:37:25
Jo
So yeah, I mean Keck gives right in the sense of I've got some massive core memories of my footballing life from the entertainer's time and it's stuff that will be ingrained in my brain until the day I die or until I lose my mind. That could happen very soon.
00:37:40
Kev
That's not far off.
00:37:40
Jo
um It's not far off, is it really? I'm on the downward slide already. yeah
00:37:43
Kev
Yeah, you're doing your age born in the 30s.
00:37:46
Jo
who hey Yeah, I'll stop.
00:37:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:37:49
Kev
Almost got a swear on this episode.
00:37:51
Jo
Tongue tie, tongue tie.
00:37:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
well we've already had a couple i've got eden to do
00:37:53
Jo
ah Aye, there's none. um No, he was my he was my kind, as much as I said like Aussie the Ordealist, I was still very young with Aussie the Ordealist, by the way, because I didn't really fall in love with his team or anything, um and he wasn't here long enough anyway.
00:37:57
Kev
Clean sheet.
00:38:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah Yeah.
00:38:09
Jo
um But the entertainers, I'll be honest, the and season we lost that league because we did lose the league it was ours in our hearts we honestly felt like we'd won it man it's just i still feel the heartbreak all these years later so i've um to cut a long story short so bobby's my man still so here
00:38:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, and I'm sorry for bringing up those memories.
Emotional Reflections on Newcastle's History
00:38:39
Jo
I was, I felt like I was really going down a very sad avenue right there, so I thought I'm just gonna give my answer and shut up.
00:38:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
I feel like you look quite bad now.
00:38:43
Kev
joe Joe, Joe, who would you pick out of m Eddie Howe and Kevin Keegan?
00:38:46
Jo
Yes.
00:38:51
Jo
Oh no.
00:38:51
Kev
Imagine if Eddie had we entertain his team.
00:38:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, while Joe thinks of that, I'm going to flip it on you, at Kev.
00:38:56
Jo
No. I know. Yeah, you do you.
00:39:00
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Would you say anyhow is our best manager ever? her
00:39:02
Kev
Yep. A hundred percent. Yep.
00:39:04
Jo
Wow.
00:39:05
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Because I was thinking that when we got the final three and I was sitting there going hang on.
00:39:05
Jo
I think he could be.
00:39:06
Kev
Yep. And I'm not, I'm not like, honestly, them three amazing.
00:39:07
Jo
Yeah.
00:39:10
Kev
And I've already talked about my soft spot for Bobby and my team, but I'm trying to take away all them emotional connections to them players. And I just think, and this is going to be no surprise to anybody to have backed anyhow, religiously and relentlessly for as long as anybody's been listening to this.
00:39:25
Kev
Well, Eddie, how has done with them players? He's condescending to think in the good players and we're not. butby Bobby didn't need to con us, Bobby didn't need to con us because he had really good, and Keegan didn't need to con us because he had really, really good world-class football players.
00:39:31
Jo
so me
00:39:42
Kev
and So for me, and I feel like Eddie's got more than one way of playing, whereas maybe them two, it was do it this way or don't do it at all. Eddie House went 5-5 zero, he shot the time, he's went negative, he's caught teams on the counter attack, he's tried to control the ball a little bit better, he's played high intensity football,
00:39:59
Kev
and He's working under ridiculous constraints financially whereas Robson and Keegan never had to. Keegan could just buy £15m World Record Alan Shearer and we didn't get to have him for long because he left not long after. but and and also ah Bobby Robson could just spend and spend and spend and if he wanted Wodegate he would get him and if he wanted Lee Boyer he would get him if he wanted a Q&A from Ipswich he would get him.
00:40:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:40:24
Kev
So for me I think in terms of a coach and as a manager and with constraints and anyhow I still live with the expectation we both had massive expectation but did but this is a new generation and where we took over 19th in the league everybody had us written off Rich's club and the championship we were getting called
00:40:37
Jo
Mm
00:40:41
Kev
and to see what he's done with that squad and we haven't really, you mentioned some of the signings before, so smart, players like Dan Byrne and still, I thought Dan Byrne was hopeless and when I watch him for Newcastle, I love him.
00:40:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:40:41
Jo
hmm.
00:40:52
Kev
So yeah, I would put anyhow number one personally, but that might that might age like milking about a year's time.
00:40:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Wow.
00:40:54
Jo
ah Yeah.
00:40:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
I tell you what, I wanted you to say something that might get clipped. You've gone above and beyond what I was going to say, and to be honest, ah does that does actually track with what Kev said for about the last six months. And I can see why he got so passionate when I said that, you know, maybe Eddie Howe was you know under pressure before that Arsenal 1-0 victory, ah which was brilliantly followed up by a 3-1 winner for us. What a win that was. But I've gave you time to think, Joe, was it Eddie Howe?
00:41:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, Kevin Keegan.
00:41:32
Jo
I'm going to answer you with a really weird reply. I'm going to say Eddie Hell based on the fact that I think he's going to be number one eventually. I think he's going to take over Sir Bobby.
00:41:41
Kev
Oh, what a cop. I'll just give you nothing this episode, Michael.
00:41:43
Jo
It's not. No I have.
00:41:44
Kev
Michael, I'll just give you nothing this episode.
00:41:44
Jo
I'm just being totally honest with you.
00:41:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Disgraceful.
00:41:47
Jo
Alright Keegan, stuff you. I'm going to shove you stupid anyhow.
00:41:49
Kev
oh
00:41:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
There we go.
00:41:52
Jo
Back down into third.
00:41:53
Kev
o
00:41:53
Jo
But listen to what I'm saying Kev. I honestly believe if House stays and I really god want him to stay in the next few years and he continues on the trajectory he's on, he's going to take over the pair of them.
00:42:05
Jo
and He's going to be number one. I would then put him into the first book.
00:42:07
Kev
He's winning a trophy in two months and that's something you but never did either.
00:42:09
Jo
Then that's what I mean.
00:42:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh!
00:42:10
Jo
I'm just saying right now, as it is, Sir Bobby's top. But I think how will become top. I do. I've got faith that he's going to stay and become top.
00:42:17
Kev
The Bobby Second, Keegan Third, Eddie Hall One.
00:42:20
Jo
Yeah, basically, that'll be the top three at that point. I hope in a couple of years' time, we're still doing this. And it's how Bobby gave him.
00:42:27
Kev
That's what it is now, yeah. That's what it will be in the future.
00:42:29
Jo
I mean, well, that's fine.
00:42:30
Kev
That's life.
00:42:31
Jo
You do you. But you know.
00:42:34
Kev
me ah
00:42:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
And before we get into UFC 3, whatever it is this month, we have du uncovered that John Carver is the worst Premier League manager of all time.
00:42:35
Kev
ah yeah go
00:42:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Sir Bobby Robson is our best. I will agree. Eddie Howe is a second, apparently, according to the panel. love Let us know what you think. um Do you agree?
00:42:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do you disagree?
00:42:57
Kev
Steve Brute got top 10.
00:42:59
Kev
That's more surprising than any of them.
00:43:01
Jo
I think so many people are going to slag us with that one. That's hilarious.
00:43:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah if there's anything you disagree with rightfully so top five in life and top five in the season and before
00:43:06
Jo
Podju got top five, didn't he though?
00:43:08
Kev
Top four for me, pardon you.
00:43:11
Jo
o
00:43:13
Kev
I've upset so many people. If I put any hell one, I have upset so many people.
00:43:15
Jo
ah
00:43:20
Jo
I can't wait to get your dad to do his list. he'll ah you He's gonna like totally slam you. It's gonna be hilarious.
00:43:25
Kev
My dad, my dad won't like me putting Keegan third at all.
00:43:29
Jo
No.
00:43:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, we'll soon find out and if you disagree with anything that the panel have said let us know in the comments, on the socials, anywhere you find the Daily Newcastle. But for now, it's all from us and we'll see you next time.