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Let's talk about travel with Craig C!
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In the penultimate episode of Season 3, join Satsunami and Craig C as they share their experiences in travelling. What did they think of Stockholm? How do the duo feel about American service? And what sort of things should YOU watch out for? All this and more in this episode!
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Season 3 Finale Celebration
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami.
00:00:17
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chatinami. My name's Chatinami and I am absolutely delighted to let you know that this is our 150th episode. This is the final episode of season
Travel Topic Introduction
00:00:32
Speaker
3. But before we go on, I just want to introduce the one and only co-host. You might have heard him before. It's another than Andrew.
00:00:41
Speaker
Hold on a second. Hold on a second Satsu. It's me, it's me. It's Craigie C and I think you've miscounted. You've actually got two episodes to go. I'm here to make that right.
Travel Experiences and Tips
00:00:52
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I'm here to talk to you all about travel today. I have my suitcase packed. Well, what a great time to talk about traveling. Get into where you've been, where you love, some tips. Let's get yourself ready for the 150th episode.
00:01:04
Speaker
Hold on a second, I'm gonna have to make some phone calls to cancel some flights. I'll be right back. Push it back, push it back. You can get a taxi to the airport. We're good, we're good. Okay, we're gonna have to speedrun this episode. Right, let's go through the list of countries. Good, good, good. Good guy, good guy, good guy.
00:01:24
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Oh, so yeah, Krigsy, how are you doing tonight? I'm doing great. I'm looking forward to this. How are you doing tonight? I'm not too bad. So, as you... I was going to say I alluded to, but as you belatedly don't, yeah, today we are going to be having a very casual conversation all about travel. So, you might remember a time. A time before the 2020s where our planes didn't fly upside down. Trains actually ran. Well, maybe boats still sailed, but that's beside the point.
00:01:52
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It was a different time. What a specifically British joke as well. There's like Germans and stuff, listeners like, no, no, all our trains run on time. Any Japanese listeners like, no, the trains run instantly.
UK Travel Recollections and Humor
00:02:06
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Oh my God, you're right.
00:02:08
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It's just the UK's public transport systems are atrocious. It really is. On the one hand it is connected, but on the other hand it's like Jesus. Because I remember I was meeting up with a friend and we decided we were going to meet up in St Andrews and I was like, oh no problem, I'll just get the train up. Spoilers for anybody planning to take the train with Scotland to St Andrews, they decommissioned the train station there.
00:02:34
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Yeah, because not many people were using it. Go figure. So yeah, I had to go to like the one before it, which it all worked out in the end and everything. But I have to admit, as of this episode, I have done a lot of traveling within the UK. You know, like I've gone down south and everything. I've gone to the Lake District. I've gone to London. I've gone up north and things. But yeah, other than
00:02:56
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that. I haven't really been abroad this year, to be honest, and I feel as if it's only the last year or maybe two, if you include 2022, that things have relatively started becoming normal again.
Post-Pandemic International Travel
00:03:09
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Yeah, even then, a lot of countries like just off the top of my head Japan, me and my wife want to go to Japan for a while now, and they only started letting tourists in, you know, without a special visa that started this year. I think the general access for tourists was only the start of this year.
00:03:21
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So yeah it's only really now we're starting to get back into the flow of things. I've been abroad twice this year and it's the first time since 2019 I've been abroad and even still on the flights and still on the airport you're still seeing that post-covid fatigue, I don't know if you want to call it but you know there's still signs in places, there's still wear masks, there's still this.
00:03:37
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Yeah, it's still happening. Yeah, it definitely does feel a bit weirder. I don't know how else to describe it, you know that way where it's just like it's quite strange, because I remember during the height of Covid as it started to wind down, there were so many adverts of countries begging
00:03:54
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practically begging people to come over to be like, it's safe here, please. And I remember the one that made me laugh was Turkey. I've never been to Turkey, but I remember it was like an advert where this wee boy, it was all narrated by, you know, that really annoying actor. They always get into dub over another actor, you know, and it's like, wow, these people had scanners. They look just like robots. Haha. Oh, this is the best holiday ever. And they've got the massive face mask.
00:04:24
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I've ridden two feet away. Yeah, this isn't enticing me.
UK Travel Preferences and Activities
00:04:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's a hard sale. So here's a semi-controversial question to you. Before we go abroad and we talk about our experiences, because you and I, of course, we've been to Dublin and Sweden together. Sorry, Dublin and Sweden. Dublin and Stockholm. I was going to let you run with that and just see what you were like. You had to tell to get fixed. We actually went touring the caravan for six months for Sweden. We went to an Ikea, OK?
00:04:55
Speaker
It was a big idea. Okay, well they're all big, but you know what I mean. So here's a potentially controversial question before we board the plane as it were, but when you're on a holiday in the UK, do you prefer going up north or do you prefer crossing the border?
00:05:10
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down south. My answer is kind of specific, so me and my wife like a lot of hill walking and she's like the most qualified person on the planet when it comes to hill walking and general outdoory stuff, you know, rock climbing and stuff like that. So typically we'll either go up north on the west coast of Scotland. We did the north coast 500 a while back and the east coast wasn't too interesting for us, but the west coast was incredible and the Nile skies up there. But if we are going to go down south, we'd then go to the later streets, which is basically the equivalent of going
00:05:39
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of growing up north especially where we live as well where it's like almost the same distance traveled to get to either so that's kind of us yeah we'll typically go northwest or medium south i don't know how to explain it what about yourself no i would totally agree with that i feel as if if i am going down south i would probably aim for maybe the late district because i do love the late district it's so picturesque and so scenic you know you've got all the very quaint towns you've got amber side kesec
00:06:08
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wind in here as well, you've just got all these lovely towns and see if you're a dog owner. The Lake District is actually perfect because I feel as if you see more dogs than people down there at times in the amount of shops that were just like, come on in, take your dog in. And of course my puppy was just like, oh I can't wait, oh what's this, what's that? Trying to speak in a doggy accent and I'm like, come on, don't do that.
00:06:32
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yeah it was just it was really it's lovely whether you get the weather or not it is just absolutely gorgeous but again i totally agree with you if you go up north there are so many picturesque towns especially sky as well as you said sky definitely has changed over the years because i actually remember when i was about five years old give or take five six i went there with my family and
00:06:56
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I remember it was nice enough we went to this like cottage place and I remember it just being two houses and just fields upon fields and then I think it was the last year the year before when we returned
Visiting the Isle of Skye
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there. Yeah there's like houses everywhere now so it's completely changed but it's still absolutely gorgeous. And of course you've got Eileen Donnan which is the
00:07:16
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castle just before you go into sky and there's just so many nice places where when you get up north yeah and it's kind of what you're looking to sky he's boomed in popularity over the last few years isle sky and if you are going to try go this is i guess this is my insider tip now if you're going to go up to sky take a hit on the weather front maybe go like in september october or the start before season like we or if you should go up in like march if we're going because it is just so busy now during the summer buses and buses appear
00:07:40
Speaker
You know, it's great, so many people are coming to see it, but it's also a tiny island, it's not a tiny isle. It's not really made for that many vehicles on the road and so many houses, so it does get pretty crowded. It's one of those picturesque places that you think looks beautiful when they're within, but then you crack your head to the side and then you see all of these tourists saying exactly the same thing.
00:08:01
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You know when you go abroad and you see that one thing that people rave about, whether it's like the Mona Lisa, whether it's the Sistine Chapel or the Taj Mahal, you know, something like that, and you're always told that, oh, it looks amazing in person, and then you go there and it's like everybody is there.
00:08:17
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and they're all crowded round. I mean, again, Skye is a beautiful place. One of my favourite memories of Skye, when my wife went up, we went wild swimming. So you just get into your swim shorts and jump in and went to the fairy pools. Absolutely beautiful place. And it's got this like stone bridge you can go under and it's all this beautiful like waterfalls that come down to these pools. And so we went for swimming and just as we jumped in, two busloads of tourists turned up and there's like a hundred people just watching me and Ainsley having a swim about.
00:08:47
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I'm basically like probably close to 300 pictures that day because everyone's just like taking photos. Oh my god, I can imagine. Amazing. I've never seen any of them. Well yeah, true. They're on somebody's Facebook. Because I actually remember visiting the fairy pools and it was a relatively Greek day. It was all right.
00:09:06
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You know, it wasn't too bad, but I remember we went there and one of the people who worked there was like, oh, by the way, just be careful. We've had a slight bit of rain, so there's some flooding. And you know the bit where you park your car and you have to walk through these kinds of stones. And there was like a gap in between. And why they didn't just have like two planks of wood over it. I've got no idea.
00:09:27
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Yeah it was just you had to wade through it to get to the other side which I know sounds like the start of a very bizarre joke but yeah you had to like wade through and then jump up and everything and that was all fine but yeah it was just it was really weird but once you get there and you actually see the pools they are beautiful and again I know exactly what you mean because when we went up my family and I we did see the same thing it was like a lot of couples going in and a lot of groups just diving into the pools and having a swim about
00:09:57
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I suppose with caution and seasonal advice there. Go when it's not freezing, there's so many places in Scotland that you can go beyond the reaches of Edinburgh and Glasgow and Starlin.
Travel Tales from Dublin and Stockholm
00:10:09
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But going back to what was saying before, you and I of course had been on holiday together, we went to Dublin first of all and I have to say like I had went to Dublin with my family before that, years and years before we went. But that was an interesting holiday wasn't it?
00:10:24
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Yeah, it was really good. I think we tried a good mix of here's a whole bunch of touristy stuff we have to do. We also just spent a lot of time just having a mosey, which is like my favourite thing to do on holiday is just to kind of see what's happening. Oh no, absolutely. Because did we not find that food market? Found a food market and probably one of my memories is we found a Mongolian restaurant. Oh, that was so good. What, the Mongolian barbecue? Yeah. I still talk about that to this day.
00:10:50
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one of my favourite parts of it was when we left and on the way out I was like holding my stomach and we went to this woman outside and she goes, oh is it not good then? I was like, it was the best food I ever had. That was so good. I hope it's still there. See if it is. I will literally, I'll take a camera.
00:11:06
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like, for the love of God, go into this place. It is amazing. Yeah, it works kind of the same as, I'm assuming, most Mongolian barbecues where, you know, you have a very small bowl, you pack it with the raw meat and everything, and then you put some sauce in, and then they just cook it in front of you, and then they put it in a bigger bowl, which I thought, okay, that's a bit of a swiz, but still, you can go up constantly for as many bowls as you want. And that was, I agree, it was fancy.
00:11:33
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fantastic food. Absolutely incredible. The one the night after though when we went to that Indian restaurant was nice, but Jesus Christ I think it burned several holes in there that night.
00:11:45
Speaker
I did never tell you that when we went to that restaurant and I had ordered, I think it was like a Jalfrese curry and I remember, and this sounds so stupid, but I remember having a Jalfrese curry from, I think it was Marks and Spencers of all places, and being like, oh yeah, I can handle a Jalfrese. Oh of course. Spoilers, no you can't. It was so spicy. You and I both had a red face.
00:12:17
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Oh, that was so tasty, wasn't it? Yeah, it was good. But yeah, you're completely right, though, because we went so many places. We went to, in fact, did we not go to a really nice cafe, Queen of Tarts or something like that?
00:12:31
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The only reason I remember is just because they have an amazing name. But I just remember that being like a science street, you know, it wasn't like it was out in the open to see, it was just kind of there. And you're right, we did have a good mix of just plotting about, you know, and just
00:12:49
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seeing what was there as well, was targeting some of the bigger things like the Christchurch Cathedral was it? The Guinness Factory as well. The Talking Fish. The Talking Fish and the Bicycle. Dublin was great, I really did enjoy it. Oh it was, it was a great holiday and it was only like what, three, four days? Yeah we packed up, well I think it was three days, I think we went on the Friday and came back the Sunday and we packed it, properly packed it. I mean to be fair it doesn't take long to get over
00:13:15
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Even still, yeah, you're completely right. And it was the same as well, jumping onto the plane going over to Europe, or the other side of Europe, when you and I went to visit a beautiful friend in Sweden. Yeah, we packed quite a bit in there as well, didn't we? Yeah, we went to Stockholm for about three days or something. My excuse was that there was wrestling on, so that was why I had to go. I don't really know how it all came about. I was trying to remember last night, it was like, how did we actually end up arranging this trip? And why did I get to go to the wrestling?
00:13:44
Speaker
of all the weekends we were all free. How did it end up being the one that WWE were in town? Class? Word on Craig? I can't remember that but yeah, Stockholm is an amazing place. Again, I don't want this to become like a food blog but good food. And yeah, we went to this crazy living zoo room. I don't even know what to call it. It's like a museum with a zoo in it.
00:14:02
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Yeah, that was a weird place. It was fantastic because the first part, you're right, is a zoo. And then the second part, they've got all these very old Swedish buildings that they said they kind of carted from one place to the other. Oh yeah, we're just going to keep them here for people to see and everything. And again, you've got that amazing braid in one of them where it's like, oh yes, please. But yeah, you're right. It's just
00:14:26
Speaker
It was really weird but amazing at the same time, yeah. So I went back to Stockholm without me and we actually missed something that I went back and did with Ainslie and actually this is now like my biggest recommendation to do in Stockholm. It's a warship, unless you did do this and I'm getting my memories mixed up, but there's a museum dedicated to a warship called the Vassar and basically it was like this ridiculously massive ship that couldn't float
00:14:50
Speaker
particularly well when they took it out to port and immediately sank. But what they managed to do is basically salvage it more or less intact in the 60s and just pick it out and stick it in a museum. So it's like this huge big boat from like the 1600s just in a museum, like all completely built up, it's unbelievable. So that's like my number one recommendation of things to go do in Stockholm is that because it honestly blew my mind, I've never seen anything like it, the scale of it is unbelievable.
00:15:14
Speaker
Because I remember we went to the art museum. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was fantastic. And what I didn't realise in this kind of...
00:15:21
Speaker
shows my ignorance for this. But I don't know why to Stockholm was made up of different tiny islands. Yeah, it's kind of the same. It's really interconnected, like lots of little bridges and stuff, isn't it? And it's so weird because we walked by, you know, the building where people get their Nobel Peace Prize and things like that. And it was just so weird to be walking in this amazing city and just being like, all right, someone cured world hunger over there or something.
00:15:44
Speaker
did this and they got a Nobel Prize and we were walking on the other side and just really lovely cafe and things and it was it was just a fantastic city it was only there for but as we say it's a couple of days and yeah it left such a big impression on me I have to say that's my top recommendation is like if you want to go somewhere definitely go to Stockholm
00:16:04
Speaker
I mean, the only other thing I was surprised at, and this is something I'll probably bring up in one of the other countries that I visited, but it was very cashless. Yeah, I actually had a story about this, and I was going to tell it, I'm glad you brought it up. Last time I went to Stockholm, so I said I went back with my wife, and we went on a night out with some Swedish people, and one of them started laughing at me because I tried to pay in cash, and I was like, no.
00:16:25
Speaker
So much so that they actually were all looking at the cash, like, oh, I haven't seen one of these notes again. It wasn't like a massive note, but you know, it was one of the probably ones they give to tourists. But it was like, I haven't seen this note in years. I didn't even know you could still get them. I was like, oh, come on, it's like a 20 pound note. That's like, I can't do it. Because it's not euros-y as it's sort of growing up, but they were popping off that I wasn't using card.
00:16:45
Speaker
I remember you had actually told me that, that no, no, you don't need cash or anything. And I remember even telling my family and they were all worried to be like, no, no, you should get some cash to take out or something like that. And I was like, no, no, I'm sure I'll be fine because I was trusting your word. I can't imagine that's of all the pranks you could have pulled. The old cashless prank.
00:17:09
Speaker
It was quite strange to be like tapping your card and everything and it's something that I think that we don't in the UK, I mean it's something that we don't really do. We started doing that a wee bit more.
00:17:24
Speaker
to the disgruntlement of a lot of very peculiar people, mind you, but you know, it is that sense of there is still cash going around. Yeah, I've never seen someone in the UK say no cash, please, and we saw a lot of that in Stockholm. Yeah, because I mean, funny enough, I think it was a couple of months ago, I went to a farmers market with my partner and Barr, one particular woman who was like, no, no,
00:17:49
Speaker
Casually, the majority of them took cards, which it has changed days, hasn't it? It seems to be the case for a lot of countries, just like Luna speaking there. Yeah, I have to say that was something that grew a bit more further along
Digital Payments in Travel
00:18:04
Speaker
the globe. That was something I was really surprised at when I went to China in 2018, because funny enough, you and I went to Dublin in 2017. And then you went, wow, that's way too close and way too short. I'm going to go spend how many weeks were you away for?
00:18:17
Speaker
It's like two full weeks. Yeah, two weeks. Yeah. Because it was like the debate between two or three and I'm going to be honest, I went to China by myself.
00:18:26
Speaker
I say by myself, but I went over with my partner and it was the first time I'd ever been to China. Really, it was one of the only times that I've been abroad alone. The only other time I've been abroad alone, well, I say alone, but technically the only other time was with the school. Because you remember when we were in school and we had the activities where it's like, you said that was such a contradiction.
00:18:51
Speaker
oh good idea where they weren't great at all. I mean it was interesting that you know we got to give money over the year and then it was like oh you can go abroad with the school and long story short they weren't as fun as you probably would imagine some of them. Obviously usually it'd be places that were relatively close like it'd be France, Germany, Spain. I went to Spain once or twice I'll get back onto that but yeah going back to China I have to admit of all the places I've been that was definitely one of the biggest
00:19:20
Speaker
inter-holidays I've ever been on. You know that way because I know you probably feel that was some of the places you've been where it's just a completely different society, completely different from what I know and what I found amazing as well going back to the casualist thing was there was a lot of people either on the side of the street or in these like touristy places that had QR codes slapped on these Tupperware boxes of food they were selling. All you would have to do is just scan it with your phone and
00:19:50
Speaker
that was it because they use WeChat pay. So, yeah, it was really bizarre just because I was standing there with my youth and just like, oh wow, I can't wait to pay with cash. And then, you know, my partner's like, no, no, no, no, let me show you. And then, of course, bam, use your phone. Yeah, I mean, between going to the temples up there, because after that, although we went to other cities like Hangzhou, which is great, that's got the big West Lake and that's got a big history behind it. But
00:20:16
Speaker
when I went to Shanghai on kind of the last day before I had to catch my flight back, there was so many tourists in Shanghai. You know that way when you go to a place and you kind of go off the beaten track, you're talking about the locals and everything, you're getting to know about the real culture and things like that, and then you go to a place like Shanghai and immediately as soon as I got out there, I just came face to face with this stereotypical Englishman on holiday
00:20:45
Speaker
I mean, it was a lovely city, don't get me wrong, but have you ever felt like you've been to a place where you have been off the beaten track and then you come across all the tourists after
Cultural Adventures in New Zealand and Europe
00:20:54
Speaker
it? A couple of ones, but one that always stands out to me as it was funny is when I went to New Zealand. We were there for three weeks and my wife and I drove.
00:21:01
Speaker
for most of it. So we got to see like obviously tourist locations with kind of things like South beaten track and we pulled up to these hot springs, I can't remember the name of them now, but we pulled up to these hot springs and pulled into the car park. So this is quite one of the bigger tourist places, pulled into the car park and we couldn't be further away but do I not hear a Scottish accent and they're bragging about not having to pay for parking at the car park because the car park meter's broken.
00:21:24
Speaker
like come on lads we couldn't be further away from scotland and you're just bragging about saving a quid so yeah that was that's kind of mine you know the worst part about it was i was really pleased to be saving that pound as well but i couldn't tell anyone about it because it's tall at all oh yeah it's a cultural thing isn't it to be fair i probably would have done the same thing
00:21:46
Speaker
Would you say that was your most adventurous holiday? It's either that, because like I said, we've done a couple, so a couple spring to mind for that one, just because we were away for three weeks and it was such a big one in terms of like, we didn't know where we were sleeping at night, we didn't know where we were going to eat and stuff like that. The other one we did was our sort of first adventure holiday was we just drove around Europe for two weeks, which was class. What's really cool about Europe, as in mainland Europe should say, is they have a much better like campsite culture.
00:22:10
Speaker
than we do. So like, we have this van that's not got a toilet or anything but you can sleep on it. So you can pull into any campsite and they'll take it and it's... Yeah, no, it's not going to put somebody away because we're pulling into campsites in France and they'd have like star ratings outside, like a hotel would have, like other four-star campsite and stuff like that. Some of the memories from that which are some of the weird places we ended up because we had a few main destinations to hit and obviously to keep ourselves so we weren't going to miss our ferry by six days. We had to have like a bit of a timeline but
00:22:35
Speaker
that was unbelievable. And then recently this year I went to Cuba for a week and we went to Havana and then we went out to the national park area out there, which is unbelievable as well. I've done quite a few. I don't know, I'm starting to list them all. But yeah, I think that in terms of my most adventures, probably Cuba, it's because it was so weird. That was like a simple kind of little similar to what you had in China where it's so not for tourists in the sense of like, it's just rant, it's just their culture and you're turning up into it, which is pretty cool. That was probably the one I'd say is most adventurous. Because I mean, the only one I can think of and
00:23:05
Speaker
technically, you know, it was with family, so it wasn't exactly like I was living on the age
Service Culture in the US and UK
00:23:10
Speaker
with that one. But the weird one that I had was, and I know you've been to America as well, but I ended up in Chicago of all places. It seems like, and I don't mean this as a Chicago thing only, I just mean America as a whole. Because for a country that, you know, we've seen lots of America on TV shows, we've seen, I mean, we're both Simpsons fans.
00:23:32
Speaker
and fans of those kind of shows. So we know about American culture, but it's so weird seeing it through a TV and actually being there. Just one of the examples I can think of off the top of my head, and this will get said like a weird one, is the, and I get why they do this, but the service over there, it really unnerves me because no matter where you are, usually let me paint the scene for any American listeners for us here in the UK. If you go into a shop,
00:24:00
Speaker
you might get maybe one or two people coming up to you saying, are you looking for anything in particular? Can I help you? And as soon as you say, no, no, I'm fine, you wave your hand. Like, don't wave your hand, that's rude. But you go, no, no, I'm fine. That's it, they'll leave you alone. But for American staff, whether it be in retail or whether it be in restaurants especially, I think there was three separate times I had a mouthful of food and they were like, oh, is everything good? And you know, it's the same way when you're at the dentist and they put the finger
00:24:30
Speaker
or down your mouth are like, oh, how does that feel when you're like, well, I can't answer you. Yeah, did you find that when you went over? Oh, a hundred percent. It is crazy. Obviously, it's a very big tipping clock to this. That's kind of why. One of my favorites was we went to Las Vegas and, as you can imagine,
00:24:45
Speaker
similar that all over you they want to be this like super top service that you have tips and all that one of the bars had like a gimmick all the bars in Vegas had a gimmick but one of them had a gimmick where the staff like rude that was the joke right the staff were rude it's a bit like I think there's one just that was kind of going by like cousin's cafe or something kind of same idea but it's bar staff and the whole joke is they're rude to you the problem was they weren't they were just polite to you but with swear
00:25:07
Speaker
So it was just the exact same great service that everywhere gives you, but they were swaying. It was like, I didn't want this. I wanted someone to give me a drink and ignore me. That's what I wanted. I wanted someone that wouldn't smile at me when I asked for a drink. That's all I wanted. I didn't want top level service. I wanted British service.
00:25:29
Speaker
You know, it's so true. There was a cafe down the street from where you used to live in a wee town, not far from where you used to live. It was this like one man cafe and the guy would open the shop at like 8am on a Saturday morning and if, you know, you'd been having a couple of drinks or whatever the night before, you would go get your fry up from. And what was amazing was he was always hungover like way more than anyone else was. He'd be standing like over this grill, like try not to throw up.
00:25:54
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Your daughter like, oh can I get a roll in square? He'd be like, geez I'm in it. He'd open the window and just look out at it for like two minutes. Start cooking and just be like leaning heavily breathing and like give you like 220. You'd give him it, you'd go, cool. And then I'd go back to the window and that's what I wanted from this place. The name to what I make shall load this incredible. The sweat's pouring off the guy man.
00:26:21
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That's what I want for American service. You hear that, America? Write that down. This is what you're doing wrong. Stop being so nice. So here's a question for you, because I'm suspecting you might have got this in America, but I don't know if there was any other country you would have got this. Have you ever been singled out for being Scottish? Because let's face it, they usually go for the Scottish part before they realise, oh, you're a tourist as well.
00:26:48
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all the time. What I once thinks to my head is I was at a shooting range in Vegas so it was like obviously like ex-military people that ran the place and one of the guys is like oh wow you're Scottish? So what did you think of William Wallace? Because he's kind of like a terrorist right? That is such a loaded question I don't know what to do with that.
00:27:07
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People love Scottish people abroad. It's one of the things I'm most thankful for when I go places that people like Scottish people. Oh yeah. Typically like New Zealand, very fond of us. You know, lots of other countries, especially when I went to France recently, they're quite fond of you out there as well. I think being English is like so much worse. I'm pretty thankful that I'm Scottish. Go about yourself, I'm very view-handed. There have been a couple of instances I have to say where people have pointed to me and been like, oh look, it's
00:27:33
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It's a tattoo in the wild. I remember going back to America, there's been, surprisingly, it didn't happen as much. There was one or two instances where people were like, oh my God, where did you come from? And it was like, oh, Scotland. And then that was kind of the end of the conversation. There was no follow up. There was no verbal ping pong. I was like, come on, come on, give me something. But it was just like, oh, cool. The only thing I can think of in America was it got ambushed by a guy in a McDonald's of all places.
00:28:01
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and it wasn't so much for my accent, but it was more for my height, and he came over. Basically, while I'm so short, he was trying to sell postcards or something. I don't know if this is a common thing in America because it seemed as if whenever you went on a train or public transport, there was always a guy with a speech prepared before he started coming round with a hat for donations. Any Americans who listen to this, please feel free to let me know if this is.
00:28:26
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common thing or not but yeah he was like oh my god you look like you play basketball you're that tall and everything and i'm like okay just for the reference here for obviously the sake of this being an audio only thing you are not that tall i'm not saying you're not tall i'm tall but i'm not mba tall no no no no one in the mba is looking at you and going this guy this is the man we need for reference i'm over six foot but that's about it
00:28:53
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like it's a comfortable height, like it's tall enough to get by in daily life but the best one I have to say in the weirdest was as I said when I went to China because the places my partner and I were going we were going to places that weren't very and I'm using this in the nicest way possible weren't very
00:29:15
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tourist-oriented and by tourist I don't mean tourists within China.
Foreign Experiences in China
00:29:19
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I mean tourists as in outside of China. Like if you're from outside China you would go to places like Shanghai, Beijing, places like that but the places like Hangzhou or you know these other cities that we were going to, everybody kept looking at me. You know when you get those old Wild West films where you know the stranger from out of town comes in, everybody looks at you. That happened to me on a daily basis with
00:29:42
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The thing was, it wasn't out of nastiness or anything. I think some of the people genuinely had never seen someone like myself. Never seen an NBA player in a play.
00:29:53
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and then be a red panda in the flesh now. No, I don't think so. But one of the funniest things was, because my partner speaks Mandarin, she was translating a lot of things that people were saying about me and it was quite funny. There were things like, I tried on a traditional hat in China. It's like, you know, we get the bunnets for older people like the flat caps for older people here. It was like they're equivalent and I've still got it. But remember I put it on and this woman who was selling it, she looked at me, she went,
00:30:23
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piร o liร n, piร o liร n, which essentially translated to, oh, so handsome. Yes, I am. But the funniest one was the amount of kids who, they were obviously kids, they've got no filter, and there was one kid who turned 90s dad, and he went, Baba, Baba, Lao Wai, Lao Wai, and said, Dad, Dad, a foreigner of all
00:30:44
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And the dad was like, don't be rude, don't be rude. Then he turns to his mum and he goes, mama, mama, laua. I was like, oh my God. Yeah, I got the same thing when you were talking about the fairy pills. I got the same thing of, do you know those like cut outs you get when you put your head through and you get the photo? I got my photo with one of them and these two Chinese teenagers came up and they were laughing because obviously they didn't know there was this, as you said, NBA player.
00:31:10
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And then all of a sudden their phones raised and they started taking pictures and I'm like, I'm in some random Chinese person's WeChat or something.
00:31:21
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So that was an experience I have to say. It wasn't like people were being aggressive about it, although just one last thing about that before we move on. I actually remember we went to the cinema and we went to see this film called Detective Chinatown 2 and basically they go to New York and they have to find the killer in slight spoilers if you're never gonna watch us. Skip ahead a couple of seconds but the killer turns out to be the only other Western character
00:31:49
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And I'm sitting in the front of the audience as the only westerner. And I was like, come on, let's go, let's go. Other than that, it was a fantastic experience. But that was, as I said, 2018. Because do you know what the weird thing I find about travelling
Vivid Travel Memories
00:32:06
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is? It's the fact that, see, when you're like, oh, that was an amazing holiday. Like, when we were in Dublin, I think, oh, well, that was only like, what, two, three years ago? You know, that was six years ago.
00:32:17
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You know what? Yeah, time's a flat circle. I think that goes as like a testament as well to how the memories you make when you travel though in a way that are so fresh and so vivid. Some of the ones I've shared today like driving around Europe that time and that was 2015 I believe and so memories like that, they don't go away. I think the first time we went to Stockholm was a long time ago as well now and you were mentioning school as well and
00:32:36
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think it just goes to show you traveling and tourism in general it's like unbelievable that we're so lucky to be born in Anita where we can do this and we're lucky enough to have the funds to do it because yeah the memories you make I know it's a bit cliche to say but you know you kind of proved your own point out that the memories last a lifetime oh no you're absolutely right
00:32:52
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because I always remember when we were in history class together and we learned about the other things. I can't believe I'm bringing this up years later. Our teacher would be proud of us. But remember when we learned about the locomotives and that was the beginning of when people in Britain started to go on beach holidays and things like that. That was kind of the first
00:33:14
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form of people going travelling for holidays and obviously there's a big ruckus behind it of oh is it good is it not but you're completely right it is amazing how well maybe not nowadays but you know what I mean that is relatively affordable now to be able to travel the world it's so much easier just to pop on the internet book a place and be like oh this looks like a good place or
00:33:34
Speaker
I don't know about that. And especially with the rise of Airbnb's as well. That's another thing that's been known for the last maybe 10, 5, 10 years. But yeah, things are changing though, aren't they? One thing I've been quite conscious of is, this will make joy draw the eye of some people, but here we go. So a couple of years ago, I went vegetarian. Ooh, probably go recent as a joke. Eat meat.
00:33:58
Speaker
So when I travels before the year 2020, you know, I didn't really care about food or whatever. I just eat whatever. I'm a lot more health conscious now because I'm also vegetarian. And so now I have to be a bit more savvy about where I go. And I can just do that with my phone. I can just look it up before I go. I can just type in, oh, is this place vegetarian friendly or not? It's so simple now to get access to any piece of information. Book any hotel. You mentioned it being BB.
00:34:22
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like hotels.com or whatever they've got the biggest database ever gathered of anything most hotels and most places have like pictures now so you can you can look ahead you know instagram facebook whatever and again this has always been available in our adulthood but the ease of it and yeah how much i'm actually looking at because i need it has changed so much and it's so easy like i went on holiday to france i did this back this week and
00:34:43
Speaker
and we're in this tiny wee town called Molliette. It's like a beach town. I can use the Happy Cow app and it instantly just brings up every vegetarian option of every restaurant in the area. And it's like, that's unbelievable. You can do that. I just think you're that side of it. The access of information you can find at any of them though. So easily you can book trips weeks, months in advance. Just we're so fortunate to be able to do that, I think. Funny enough, when I was really young, young enough that I wouldn't have remembered it, but I went to Malta.
00:35:10
Speaker
with my family and I remember talking to my dad about it and he was saying he didn't really enjoy it because this is something that I think every single British person probably will relate to at some point in their life that say when you go to another country you want to have some degree of familiarity but you still want something that's slightly different.
Tourism and Authentic Travel
00:35:32
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I don't know how controversial this is going to be but you know you go to places like
00:35:36
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Malta where half of it does I mean the country does speak English as its main language but it also has Maltese as well and it's got a fascinating history I love Malta but I remember my dad saying things like oh because there were so many British tourists there they were quite unruly which unfortunately is a stereotype for I mean I want to say it's more down south but let's face it I feel as if it's only more down south because there's more English people than Scottish people
00:36:04
Speaker
but it's only modern south because English football teams do better. That is true, that is true. But I mean, when I went many years later to Malta, I absolutely loved it because we were out of that sphere of where all the British tourists were gathering. Don't get me wrong, obviously there was still tourists in the hotel, like a horror movie, but around the hotel. But it was amazing to be able to see all of these places there without the impression of someone coming up to you and being like,
00:36:32
Speaker
oh we are from the UK and it's like yeah I can see that as they come draped in the union jack of all places. I remember one year I ended up in Spain and we went to Valencia. That's a beautiful place and there's been a while since I've been in Barcelona but from what I remember of it it was nice. But I also went to Benidorm just after Christmas time one year. I actually think it was probably the same year that you and I went to Dublin.
00:36:56
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It was nicer then because there wasn't as many because Benidorm, for anyone who doesn't know, it's very infamously British. It might as well be the new Gibraltar because the amount of British tourists, the amount of British businesses that set up there, it's just absolutely crazy. So I apologise to all our Spanish listeners.
00:37:15
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But yeah, it was quite strange going from that and then you go to Valencia, which I know is a bigger city but it's weird, isn't it, other than obviously that guy. Have you ever had that? Yeah, I think it is weird and I think this comes back to kind of what you mentioned about familiarity versus things you're new to you and everyone's got like a different threshold for that. Like I said, me and my wife, we don't like to stay in one place for very long when we travel, we like to
00:37:38
Speaker
do like city hops and all going around in Havana and so we kind of see both sides of that and you see cities as well when you do this you see certain cities are set up really well for tourists some cities set up well for tourists I'd say some cities are set up too well for tourists like they cater into tourists Barcelona is quite famous for this now like the locals hate it how much you cater to tourists but one that always strikes you is my brother he used to be a rep
00:37:59
Speaker
for, Thompson's an entertainment rep and so he was living out in, I want to say Maloka, kind of it was Maloka, Mayoka at the time, which is when he was at this for this season I'm talking about, but it was in one of like the proper, proper British holiday resorts and obviously it's like Thompson's Holidays and there was two, three restaurants in the sort of little town attached to this hotel. There was a, just like a wee local restaurant so it was like, that's where all the locals would go. There was a, kind of with it when it was just like a genetic restaurant and then the last one was like a British pub and
00:38:26
Speaker
Every single night, the British pub would be spilling out into the street. There were so many people trying to get into it. It was constantly busy, while the two more traditional places were just empty. And also that was really fascinating because, you know, for me, travelling's all about seeing the locals up to and eating their food and trying things that they get up to, you know what I mean? Ever like that side of travelling? Well, a lot of people just don't want that. They want to get Britain, just because obviously the British people, they want to get Britain with a better climate.
00:38:52
Speaker
You know what I mean? So I always think it's a funny difference. So there's definitely people are definitely comfortable with different levels of comfort. No you're totally right because there are so many people that when they talk about a holiday they say, oh I just stayed in XYZ place, which is perfectly fine if that's what you want to do with your holiday. Go ahead. But it always seems to be summarised as, yeah I just want a suntan.
00:39:14
Speaker
that's really it and you're like fair enough here's a question for you though have you ever been to a place where you've been disappointed and it's been built up and then you go and then you're like oh god this isn't as good as i thought no i don't actually know if i have maybe in terms of not having the best experience maybe london as a member i can think of it up ahead where i do like bits of london
00:39:36
Speaker
I went in a heatwave and London is not set up for a heatwave and everything's extortionate. Maybe London but London's still got these like great things in it. So I've never come away from anywhere being like disappointed. I can't think of anywhere being like completely down the dumps about London's probably the one that springs to mind being like the hype it gets versus how good I think it is isn't equal but I wouldn't say I came away from anywhere disappointed. What about you?
Travel Disappointments and Tourist Cons
00:39:56
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What would you say? Yeah I think I'd be the same. I can't remember really any holiday that I have been severely disappointed that I come back more miserable than when I lie.
00:40:05
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but echoing what you were saying in London, my partner and I went down to London a couple of months ago as I've recorded this episode and again there was a heat wave down there not as bad as sometimes it really gets but the thing I don't really like about London is and again this is coming from a Scott so take it with a pinch of salt but you know it's just it's so overcrowded
00:40:26
Speaker
and everything. There's some bridges where I felt as if I had to like, fight my way through. Because again, I don't know if it's just because there's so many tourists or people don't care, but people have no sense of lean discipline. You know when you're in Glasgow, Edinburgh, any place in Scotland even, and you stay on the left,
00:40:46
Speaker
if you want to go one way, people coming towards you will be on the right. That's how you're taught to do it." But here it was like I was weaving in and out. It was like Rocky Balboa. Weave, weave, weave. Okay, we've made it. And I lost my partner. I'm like, oh god, where is she? And she's behind me. But that was a bit weird. The only other thing, and I was telling you this at the time, was we went on a tour bus because we'd walked all around and then we were getting a wee bit tired and I said, well, we just, because we got the London pass, which
00:41:11
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you know, is this like kind of accumulation of different sites you can see and everything. And yeah, it was like, oh, we've got this ticket free with this pass. So we jumped on the bus. And lo and behold, I saw the, without getting too deep into this particular thing, but we saw the just stop all people right in front of our bus and literally if we were
00:41:33
Speaker
five seconds faster then yeah we would have been past them but we were stuck behind them for of course like about 15-20 minutes or something and obviously you can't get out all the tutoring of the horns that was that was a sign for being its own right but the only other one I could think of going back to one that was talking a bit earlier
00:41:51
Speaker
probably was the Sistine Chapel of all places, because I mean I've been to Italy before, I've been to places like Sorrento which is beautiful, the Amalfi Coast, if you haven't been there that is gorgeous. I 100% would recommend that. Rome as well, Pompeii, but if you go to Rome and you see the Vatican that's amazing as well. But if you go to the Sistine Chapel, the artwork outside of it's beautiful. There's all these amazing paintings, very rich, full of emotion and whatnot. But then you
00:42:21
Speaker
you get laid down this kind of winding staircase and you have all these italian guards who are just shushing you constantly as you go down and you go into this room and you look up and i kid you not it's that you know the painting where it's got touching Adam's finger it's tiny
00:42:37
Speaker
You look up and you're like, is that it? And of course you've got the one in Italian. No photos, no. It's funny because I actually thought as well like the Last Judgment, which is on the wall, is a way better piece. I was like, I'm really surprised that the ceiling's actually so famous when it's in the same room. I didn't realize it was in the same room as Last Judgment. So when I was like, wow, that sucked and this is amazing.
00:42:57
Speaker
Yeah, you're not supposed to talk about it or whatever it was. It was like every year and constantly shushed all day. That's weird. I mean, I've been to Paris before, but Disneyland technically doesn't count. And the last time I was up the Eiffel Tower, yeah, I think Nokia was still in business. So for legal reasons, that's a joke. But yeah, like I've been up the Eiffel Tower and everything, but
00:43:16
Speaker
I've never really been to the Louvre where you know they've got the Mona Lisa and I've heard that there's like far better pieces it's just because that's widely renowned and I don't want to say it's the size of a day four sheet but that's the way people make out that oh it's tiny you can't see it from a distance and everything they only had a weird one I had and this might I mean I don't want to end in a downer but this kind of leads into the unfortunate side of cons on holidays where my brother and I went to Berlin
00:43:45
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one year. Absolutely fantastic city mind you but we went to checkpoint Charlie and there seems to be a lot of people cosplaying as American soldiers right in front of it as if the Cold War never ended but something that I saw and I don't know if you've ever experienced this are the petitioners that come up to you and they pretend to be deaf or you know they've got some kind of problem and they try shoving a clipboard in your hands and they want money essentially that happened twice to me that happened once in Berlin
00:44:15
Speaker
and then once in Spain as well but I mean other than that and getting conned I mean technically the only time I feel as if I've ever been conned was when my brother and I went to Malta and we went to Sicily because I think it was the hotel or whatever company we were with they organized like a tour to go over there on the ferry and funny enough I think I coincided with the Olympics that were in London at the time because it was on the ferry TV but sorry that's a side tangent but
00:44:43
Speaker
We went on this bus tour and I kid you not the bus driver actually took us to this random shack in the middle of nowhere and it had all these jams that they were selling and it turned out it was his friend or something like that. The tour guide knew the guy who sold the jams and literally in all the guestbook it was like why the hell are we here?
00:45:04
Speaker
Why are we here to dinghy jam? And then at the very end, they took us to this volcano that was there. But of course, we ran out of time to actually go up it because they were too busy, pardon my language, too busy fanning about the jam to actually go see it. So the insult to injury, of course, was when we were coming back in the bus and they had them there to put on the DVD about all the wonderful things you can do in Sicily. And then they had the cheek to ask for a tip to go drinking. And it was like, that'll be right. But
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah, have you ever had experience that? I've actually been quite lucky for that kind of thing. Obviously you get very scammed, you just have to hold onto anything that people offer you. But yeah, I've actually been quite lucky for that but he has a lot of series of writing calls, works on a cruise ship and he will go out and sample tours before they offer it to people. And yeah, he went and won in Egypt and apparently it was like 10 stops and it was just all just random stuff like that. I was like, oh my mate owns this shop, my mate owns this shop and it's like,
00:45:58
Speaker
It's like, why are we here? Yeah, that happens quite a lot, especially when you've got just like a busload of tourists. Funny enough, speaking of Egypt, I remember I was looking at, I think it was like a photo somebody had taken from the pyramids, and it's a place that I've never been myself, but they always make it out as if the pyramids are like miles and miles away from civilization, and literally the guy turned his camera and the city's just like right there.
Appreciating Home and Future Plans
00:46:22
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You could be working in an office block, look out your window and be like, oh yeah, there's the pyramids.
00:46:27
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the amount of times I've looked at it and been like, oh yeah, there's like a famous hill. You know, people are like, oh my god, it's so scenic, and you're like, yeah. I suppose it is. Because it came down to a losing point. That is something that is the cool thing about being a tourist in another country, isn't it? Because when you live in Scotland for obviously as long as we have,
00:46:46
Speaker
you get used to all these sites don't you? This sounds like such a first world thing to be like, oh I'm so sick of the verdant country site and the rolling hills and dines and the crystal clear locks but you know is it something that you get used to being here for so long isn't it? Oh totally, totally true. Like I think that's the same for everyone. Like I said I was just back from France and we were chatting to people that were living out there and they're living in this like beautiful coastline. It's like one of the best places in the world to surf and they're like yeah I'm just gonna sit right.
00:47:14
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you know because of course it's all right because they live there and we're the same. I think especially for where we live you know in the central belt of Scotland it's so easy to just be like ah it's silly. It's like oh by the way it's two hours away to the late district or its tutors or the way to the most famous hills in the world. Tons of movie studios try to recreate in every one of their films you know it's these idyllic they're like locks and stuff and we've got one of the greatest
00:47:35
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in Edinburgh, like one of the most famous cities in terms of castles and you know of things that it is something I think we do take for granted. I think when you go away it does make you appreciate home base a bit as well. I do say like for all the cities I've travelled to I think only a couple I would ever say I would live in more than I would Glasgow. Glasgow is such a special city and I think going away all the places we should go are actually hometowns pretty cool as well. No that is true. Even though I've had some really amazing travels and holidays and things
00:48:02
Speaker
There is just something nice about see stepping off the plane and then hearing the thick accent or just someone screaming in a glass reaching accent and you're like, oh I'm home. It is, it's just it's so weird that you do take it for granted but I suppose traveling does make you, you know, appreciate it more. Yeah 100% just to read yesterday, I think we're in the best times to be able to do this, we're so lucky for those that can do it and can afford to do it. So will you live in the UK get enough holidays to be allowed to take holidays? Thank you government.
00:48:31
Speaker
So yeah, now just get out there if you can, because it's pretty cool. Visit places, spend money, eat well, have a good time. And yeah, if you want to reach out to us and let us know where you've been, places you want to recommend in your home country, feel free to reach out to us at PODAPACE.COM forward slash chat tsunami. We have a very handy dandy contact form for this lady thing. Totally not fishing for foodie suggestions.
00:48:56
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I am. Please recommend all foodie suggestions on the pod page so I can get in the fight. That's true. Because otherwise, if we did do like a travel foodie vlog, I would just not stop talking about that Cuba blade that I ate in China.
00:49:10
Speaker
Which I think I have told you that a thousand times, haven't I? Yeah, but actually, one final question I guess before we wrap up. Actually, where are you going next? Where's next? Where do you want to go? That is actually a good question. Before Covid, if I would say between 2017 to 2019, I've travelled
00:49:26
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quite a bit. I travelled to China, I travelled to America, Ireland as well, Stockholm. I travelled a lot. And I remember in 2020 I thought, right, this is going to be my year. I'm going to do a lot more travelling. I'm going to see the world. Boom, Covid. No, you're not. Get back in that. So unfortunately, I couldn't travel. And I feel as if
00:49:47
Speaker
I still kind of suffer from that almost anxiety about travelling because recently over the past couple of years since lockdown's been lifted I would say that I've travelled kind of up north to places like Skye, I've been down to the Lake District, I've been down to London but I haven't really been anywhere abroad so next time really my partner and I have been looking at places around Europe
00:50:12
Speaker
You know we've often talked about maybe going to Italy or maybe trying like a completely different country in Europe like Austria. I've heard that's beautiful. There's parts in Spain as well which are fantastic. Germany as well. Or I might just drag her back to Stockholm.
00:50:27
Speaker
Honestly, the world's our oyster at this point, but what about yourself? Ian's and I've been planning a trip to Japan for God knows how long and I think that's the next one. I think I'd love to go to Japan. One of my friends went recently and I was just like, jealousy scrolling Instagram every day. It was amazing. It looked incredible. So I think that's like the next big one for me. Also, I'd like to go to the Outer Hebrides of Scotland, like the islands up the far north. That had been to them before. What, like Orkney? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just an assigned note about Orkney as beautiful.
00:50:55
Speaker
Yeah, I've heard out. That was my 2020 planters to go there. And apart from that, yeah, there's a lot still to see. We'll see what happens next. Yeah, that's the next two, and there's any city breaks as well, you know, it's always good to get away for a wee weekend. Oh, aye, absolutely. I mean, as you said before, it is amazing that we do half that chance to
00:51:14
Speaker
take advantage of city breaks and after a minute it's always quite tempting when you see it pop up and you know it's like dirt cheap and you think there is a catch here. Yeah you have to hang on to the wing. Waiting up the pros and cons. I mean on the one hand it is Barcelona, on the other hand I don't know.
00:51:33
Speaker
jokes aside though Craig thank you so much for yeah coming on and sharing your travel expertise you're welcome glad to be of service and enjoy the 150th episode I stopped you from recording yeah thank you so much I'll send you a postcard
00:51:48
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Yeah, I cannot believe honestly that next week we will indeed be talking about really just our journey into the 150th episode, which is crazy to think, isn't it?
Preview of Next Episode
00:52:00
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00:52:17
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00:52:45
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