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Episode 15: Can Bayley's Tube Men Get Through Customs in Saudi Arabia?
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Join this weeks hangout as Garrett and Derrick discuss the Andre the Giant documentary, if information given to you by Hulk Hogan is trustworthy, if Bayley's tube men can get through custom's in Saudi Arabia, Southern Underground Pro's most recent show in Nashville and more! Also, the boys really encourage you to rate, review & subscribe. They will give you many incentives to do so in this episode!
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Introduction and Weekend Obsessions
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, happy Thursday, and welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garret Callender, and with me, as always, a man who drank $15 worth of root beer floats over the weekend, and that equals two root beer floats. Derek Halpin.
00:00:15
Speaker
This is an unhealthy obsession that I have, but I don't plan on getting this obsession and this addiction fixed anytime soon because I love root beer floats. Hey, we all have our thing, man. Some people like drugs, some people like to put ice cream inside of soda. It's just the way things go. I live a good life.
The Good Life and Wrestling's Role
00:00:37
Speaker
But you know what's even better than a good life?
00:00:41
Speaker
What's a good life? What's better than a good life? I question what a good life is. It's an existential crisis. A good life with pro wrestling is even better. Oh, there's literally nothing better than a life of pro wrestling. We live that life every day. I guess I do know what a good life is. Yeah, welcome to the good life, says Kanye. Ooh, today, I feel like today's a weird day to bring up Kanye. It is a weird day to bring up Kanye. But you know what? It's not a weird day to do.
00:01:11
Speaker
hit our goddamn music.
Episode Topics Overview
00:01:47
Speaker
Hey man, uh, I don't even know where to begin. We've got a bunch of different stuff we want to talk about this episode. Um, lots of stuff going on. Uh, as far as the indie scene, we're getting some announcements on what the roster is going to look like for that all in show here in Chicago in September. Uh, we're going to talk a little bit about that Andre, the giant documentary.
00:02:08
Speaker
And also some stuff going on in WWE. Tomorrow, the best Royal Rumble in the history of humanity that you're gonna get before lunchtime. And it's excellent as a Royal Rumble. That's coming up.
00:02:27
Speaker
But first, before we get into the greatest royal rumble in human history of anywhere in the world, if any over-the-top royal rumble ever presented, I need to ask you for a favor. Sure.
Podcast Promotion Challenges
00:02:39
Speaker
Not you.
00:02:42
Speaker
Not you, Derek. The listeners. This is the part where I bet they're like, I'm gonna tune out for about two minutes, because I listen to a lot of podcasts and they're always telling me to rate, review, subscribe, and you know what I do? Tune out for those two minutes and come back in. Well, hey, I tune out during those parts too, until I fucking had one and realized, oh my god, it's really hard to get people to rate, review, subscribe. I know you're listening. I fucking love you. At this point, it's almost like I'm a Gruber down on the floor, like, what do you want me to fuck? I suck your dick. I'll fuck you. I'll let you fuck me.
00:03:11
Speaker
What do we have to do to convince you to rate, review, and subscribe? We need it. We need your help. This is a cry for assistance. And it would really help us out, man. I mean. Because you know what? I need validation.
00:03:26
Speaker
And that's just like, I'm talking to my therapist about that right now. And you know what my therapist said? Tell them to rate, review, subscribe. She didn't say that. She didn't say that. I'm lying. But I would just love it if you did, because I know you're listening. You know what? Just put a couple sentences on there. Tell us what you like about the show and what I need to do to you now that you wrote that. If there's just 50 reviews that are just like, hey, great show. Like wrestling. They talk about it. Now you got to suck my dick. We'll see what happens.
00:03:56
Speaker
I'm still stuck on the idea that I really wish your therapist told you to rate, review, and subscribe. I'm sure she would. I'm sure she would. And everybody's like, Garrett sees a therapist? Yeah, he does. Sad boy watches wrestling. What do you think?
Personal Problems and Wrestling Comparisons
00:04:10
Speaker
or just airing it all out today, my problems with root beer floats, you seeing a therapist. Yeah, we both got problems, man, and that's why we're watching big men and, you know, small men do flippy shit and throw each other. Yeah, it's a sign of the times. It's a sign of our problems.
God of War and Wrestling Dynamics
00:04:25
Speaker
Actually, before we get into other wrestling, this is a little off topic, but I started playing that new God of War game.
00:04:33
Speaker
Yeah. That's an internet meme now. Oh, because this dude looks just like Triple H.
00:04:41
Speaker
New Triple H, right? Like modern Triple H. Oh yeah, bald with the beard. But what's weird is the relationship in this game. He looks like Triple H, but it's basically a story of the relationship between Vince McMahon and Shane McMahon. Really? You've got this little kid following the God of War around, and he's a normal child. And he just, his dad will never be proud of him as far as I'm concerned. Like every time he's like, did I do good, dad? And he's like, jump off the fucking Titan Tron and we'll see.
00:05:12
Speaker
So you're basically saying that
Andre the Giant Documentary Reflection
00:05:14
Speaker
you agree with the assertion that Kevin Owens made a couple months ago when he said that Shane was just trying to impress daddy. Oh yeah. I mean the helicopter crash and Titan Tron and let me tell you Kratos not impressed.
00:05:28
Speaker
It's hard to impress a god. Shane McMahon knows that better than anyone. Because Vince McMahon is a god? I think so, right? He's made giants. He had Andre. You could even say from that documentary that he fucking killed him. I don't know.
00:05:48
Speaker
He fucking slayed a giant. And how did he do that? Because Andre the Giant was, by the end of that goddamn documentary, they were talking about how Andre the Giant was just broken and he's like, I can't do it anymore. And he's like, well, what if you just did it one more time?
00:06:04
Speaker
Yeah, but you know what? I think a lot of promoters, and specifically Vince, they get that reputation. You hear a lot of wrestlers, especially the older wrestlers, talk about how the promoters just basically suck everything out of you physically, mentally. They drain you. Not in a sexual way. Like we'll do to you if you leave a review.
00:06:25
Speaker
but no promoters just run you ragged and they take everything they can get out of you and then like when it's all over you better hope to god you made enough money because you're gonna be broken down that documentary had it was just it had so many different levels of just like you're happy you're having a great time and then you're just gradually getting sadder actually you could compare that documentary to WrestleMania 34
00:06:51
Speaker
You had to think about it. I was like, which one just happened? It's like, you know, had a great time at the beginning. By the end, I was pretty sad and ready to turn it off. So my favorite parts, I think, are the parts where the Princess Bride stuff made me happy because it was kind of a I don't know, it was a happier path and everyone kind of had like nothing but positive stuff to say about what a nice guy he was and
00:07:18
Speaker
I don't know. Sometimes it's nice to hear about the non-wrestling Andre stuff. You hear so much about the drinking and about how much pain he was in. The one thing I learned from this, it's a minor thing, didn't know this until I heard it from the documentary. He got the name Andre the Giant here in Chicago from a promoter coming up with the name for him, trying to just get him a simpler name.
00:07:43
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't know that until this documentary either. There was a lot in this that I did not know about Andre.
00:07:51
Speaker
It was about two hours? Yeah,
Hulk Hogan's Role and Anecdotes
00:07:53
Speaker
it was. If you don't know this Andre the Giant documentary, it went up on HBO a couple weeks ago. Highly recommend checking it out. This is even something I think that you could trick because, you know, we're all wrestling fans. You're here because, you know, you don't have a million people to talk to. But you know what? I bet you could convince your significant other to watch this because it's just a heartfelt documentary. You could lie and be like, remember that big guy from The Princess Bride? Well, there's a documentary about him.
00:08:18
Speaker
Yeah, he had a very interesting story. And then when it comes on and you realize that they've been talking about wrestling for an hour and a half, you're like, no, no, they'll get to his movie career. You're trying to swerve your significant other. This isn't about pro wrestling, sweetie. It's about a man who did some pro wrestling, who just was very big.
00:08:39
Speaker
Actually, I think the saddest thing was, I think Hulk Hogan said it, a lot of Hulk Hogan. There's a whole section just about Hulk Hogan in that documentary. Not Hulk Hogan and Andre. They had a section to explain who Hulk Hogan was to build up to the WrestleMania 3 thing. As if though people didn't know. As if Hulk Hogan produced it.
00:09:01
Speaker
What was your favorite part of documentary favorite part? I mean if I have to pick like what was the most fun? Well, what section? The wrestling No, there was a part where they just spent a good amount of time talking about Andre the Giants farts
00:09:17
Speaker
Yeah. And it seemed like a man filled with great sadness, like one of his simple joys in life was just letting a good fart go in an elevator. That makes sense. I also got a lot of joy out of hearing Mean Gene Okraven say Andre would take a fart. Take a fart. He didn't worse it that way. He did. And if you rate, review, subscribe, this guy right here will take a fart.
00:09:46
Speaker
Andre really loved flatulence like this whole podcast is like well I don't know they were hanging out talking about wrestling then it seemed like it got into some weird fetish shit like This is not what I rated reviewed and subscribed for they're like I'm back actually one star now one star because I don't want you to do anything to me And I don't want anything to do to you
00:10:08
Speaker
This was such a nice podcast when we were just talking about WrestleMania stuff. It really changed in the last couple weeks. This is coming to a dark place. My favorite part of that documentary was when they were talking about what it was like to wrestle Andre if he didn't like you.
00:10:25
Speaker
Yeah, because he didn't like Macho Man. Which I thought was hilarious. Hulk Hogan discussing those moments, he said they would go check the- No baby oil. No baby oil. Like, it just, it was like, honestly, this would have been like this Kratos little kid situation in God of War, except Macho Man is the little kid who can do nothing right.
00:10:49
Speaker
But the way Hogan made it seem is that Macho Man did care about what Andre thought. Like he really wanted to have a good relationship with him and Andre just wasn't having it. Oh, and Hulk Hogan said every time they got to a venue and looked at the card, and he made it seem like they didn't know what their match was gonna be until they got there. But he was like, it would always be me and Randy tagging against Andre and somebody else. And he said every time Randy saw his name on the same card, like having to battle Andre, he just was like,
00:11:21
Speaker
Like he knew he was about to die. I'm gonna be sore for a month. There's just something really funny about a sad Randy Savage.
00:11:30
Speaker
So this is like, and tied into the documentary, I, when they were talking about the WrestleMania three showdown between Hogan and Andre, um, it was a tiny little part, but he mentioned, uh, after Andre told him to slam him and then hit the leg drop Hogan said that he didn't know. He thought that he said he thought that Andre was going to kick out.
00:11:52
Speaker
Which, maybe I interpreted it the wrong way, it almost came across like he implied that Hogan didn't know he was going to go over. Well, okay, so there's a long segment of that where he's talking to Vince, and Vince and Hogan didn't know if Andre was going to go along with it. Because at this point, I don't believe Andre had been beaten yet, right? I'm not sure.
00:12:15
Speaker
I know he has one of the longest undefeated streaks in wrestling, but they said that pretty much if Andre didn't want to lose, Andre wouldn't lose. And that that whole day leading up, they're like, is Andre going to do business? Is he going to do the job for me? And they just really didn't know.
00:12:34
Speaker
He said that Hogan said he walked in there and tried to show Andre a piece of paper like where he had the match written out and Andre wouldn't look at it. And it almost sounded like he got in the ring and Andre just magically knew the match.
00:12:48
Speaker
So I don't really trust much that Hulk Hogan says. You think that's bullshit? I mean, I just mean in general throughout life. Like, I don't think Hulk Hogan's the right person to listen to about anything. Like, if he's like, no, hey, brother, I know with 100% accuracy, this is the answer to your question. He'd be like, what are you doing, brother? And I'm like, I'm still googling it. He's like, but I just told you I was 100% certain. I'm sorry, man. I just don't buy it.
00:13:16
Speaker
Next week, Hogan's gonna wanna actually be on our podcast and you're gonna have to confront this issue. And he's gonna be willing to do it. He's like, somebody wants me on there. I'll do it. You're gonna come down to the beat shop, brother? No, man, you're gonna have to fly to Nashville or Chicago, one or the other. Okay, brother, no problem.
00:13:35
Speaker
So when you think of like, I mean, we're talking about Andre, but when you think of like the moment that made Hulk Hogan, do you think of him beating the Iron Sheik for the title or do you think of him slamming Andre? I think we all think of him slamming Andre because Hulk Hogan has never let us forget it.
00:13:53
Speaker
He always adds a couple 20, 30 pounds every time he tells a story. I bet if you watched his whole court case, at some point he would say, it was like when I was in the silver dome, Bodyslam and Andre the Giant at WrestleMania 3. Yeah.
00:14:08
Speaker
That's been a point of reference for him for his whole life. But you know what? I kind of get it. If the guy had a reputation of if he didn't want to fucking lose and then he fucking picks you, you're the... Fuck, man, you gotta think. Lesnar's probably going around doing the same thing. Talking about the Undertaker. You should have seen what I did to John Cena.
00:14:30
Speaker
That wasn't even planned. I just did it. I slammed that son of a bitch all over the place. We had a whole match worked out and I said, fuck this. I got a better idea. I didn't even know I could do that many suplexes. Once again, I feel self-conscious because I feel like we're just doing an Irish accent for Brock Lesnar. Hey, I'm doing a shitty Minnesota accent and there's a difference.
00:14:52
Speaker
a shitty Minnesota accent, AKA the Irish accent. If you asked me to do an Irish accent, I just straight up could not do that either. I guess like, I guess Finn Lee and Brock Lesnar sound the exact same if I'm trying to do it.
00:15:07
Speaker
Like, they both say the word shalalie the same. So, I think we need to give a shout out to one of our listeners, Raw. Monday Night Raw was in St. Louis on Monday. And one of our listeners actually got to go to his first show, WWE show, and his whole life. That's a big moment. That's a big moment in any boy's life. Yeah.
00:15:34
Speaker
Yeah.
Listener Experience and WWE Nostalgia
00:15:35
Speaker
Do you remember your first WWE show? Of course you do. I do. It was in college because I had actually I had really dropped off of wrestling for a while and I hadn't been to a Monday Night Raw until I was in college. I don't remember any like I remember the place being like basically empty. It was at Mark of the Quad Cities in Illinois Lane. Right. It was in Moline. Yeah. And I just remember the dark match after it was all over was Great Khali versus John Cena.
00:16:04
Speaker
Wow. Sorry. It was a high-flying match. We'll make 205 Live proud. And I remember paying $20 for a copy of The Marine signed by John Cena. Was it money well spent? I mean, if I could have that $20 back right now for anything else, I might take it. Oh, wow. You hear that, John? He called you a heel last week? No. Well, now he doesn't want your copy of The Marine.
00:16:32
Speaker
I was gonna be like, no, no, no, I don't wanna piss off John's, I love Nikki. And I'm on, whatever you did, you son of a bitch, I'm on her side. We're building to a program where it's gonna be you and me against John and Brock at SummerSlam. And I guarantee you, people are gonna be so excited to see us get fucked up. Honestly, that's a tag team that I think people are excited about, not you and I, but if John Cena and Brock Lesnar were on a tag team,
00:16:59
Speaker
uh they would carry the but actually that could be a tag team where their gimmick is they have every belt in the company team ripped just team ripped they go in they have the tag belts they go over to smackdown grab those ones uh hop back over cena gets the u.s title because lesner's not touching that uh he he also doesn't want anything to do with intercontinental
00:17:19
Speaker
He's like, I get the big ones.
Fantasy Booking: Cena and Lesnar
00:17:22
Speaker
I get the two world titles and the two women's titles. And there's going to be a point where that's all there's left to do in wrestling, where every story has been told and they're like, well, what's Cena and Lesnar up to?
00:17:38
Speaker
let's just put everything on them and see how everyone reacts. We're gonna bury literally the entire roster and also after all these belts are taken, Cena will show up whenever we want him but Lesnar says that we can fuck ourselves and he has every belt in the company. I like the whole idea of Cena having to like go like do like some some shady work and you know going through some red tape and
00:18:02
Speaker
You know, paying some people off to convince him that he's under 205 pounds. I was going to say he's going to look like fucking Christian Bale in The Machinist where he's lost all this weight and he's just like jaundiced and like sad and you can see his ribs. It's the last title he wins. Like he like he just loses a bunch of weight after he wins everything else.
00:18:23
Speaker
because that is genuinely the hardest title for him to get like he had to lose so much weight and lose so much muscle mass and by the time he did it he's just so fucked up and slow and sick that he's like this was truly the hardest belt I had to win and I had to beat Mustafa Ali
00:18:41
Speaker
I just scratch and claw and not eat and not do my midnight workouts. He tries to do the five knuckles shuffle to ricochet and just passes out on top of him and that's how he gets the pin. How did we wind up at this point? Oh, we were talking about somebody's first Monday Night Raw.
00:19:03
Speaker
That's all it took for us to get wildly off track. Yeah, no, I mean, uh, I just saw that one of our listeners was going to his first WWE show and just wanted to say congrats. Uh, it seemed like you got a pretty good show.
00:19:15
Speaker
Yeah, his name is Jojo Fresh and got the word from him on Twitter, Joey Walker. And yeah, congrats on your first WWE show, a long time coming if you're a lifelong fan. And hopefully many more to come. Hope you had fun. I think Kim and another friend of the show Dalton went together. So shout out to those guys for taking a good brother to his first Monday Night Raw. You did the right thing. I hope you enjoyed the Sami and Kevin show because I know I did.
00:19:43
Speaker
Oh, God knows I did too. That's something that I could deal with every single week if they decide to give us that. I'm hoping I do deal with it every single week. I hope that Kevin doesn't have to get mowed over by Braun Strowman every week because holy shit, I couldn't tell if it was selling or if that was just reality hitting Kevin over and over again.
Locker Room Enforcers
00:20:05
Speaker
That almost seems like he pissed somebody off in the back. They're like, you're going to have to take this a lot of times.
00:20:12
Speaker
I think probably like that was Randy's job on Smackdown and Vince is like Braun I got a new job for you Anytime the locker room is upset with somebody you're just gonna fucking mow over him, dude Wait, so that was Randy's job on Smackdown like he was supposed to fuck somebody up
00:20:28
Speaker
Yeah. The rumor is, is that like, because Randy has like tenure and veteran status there that like part, I mean, not, not that he would like fucking mug you, but like, if, if there was a message that needed to be sent, if you needed somebody to be a little bit stiff, I mean, did you see after, uh, what was it that European tour where Kevin and Sammy got sent home because of some misunderstanding with the new day on smack down and them doing a finish wrong or whatever, when they got sent home from the European tour,
00:20:55
Speaker
When they came back, there was a match where Randy and Sammy were involved. And did you see the way Sammy got thrown into the announce table? Very, very reckless. If that is the punishment, then what the fuck did the sing brothers do? I don't, I think we know the answer to this. They didn't do anything. They're just really fun to throw. They're really good practice.
00:21:18
Speaker
He's like he never even learned their names and he threw them for like six weeks Vince I heard you got me a little Indian guy to throw around Well actually Randy we got that for gender No, that's for me to practice enforcing the locker room
00:21:36
Speaker
Like he, eventually Randy Orton goes to the Olympics for some sort of track and field event. But he's- I've been working on chucking guys my whole life. He's working on the shot put, but like, you know, if you work with a sing brother, then when you move down to like a smaller weight, it's just easy to throw.
00:21:55
Speaker
So yeah, maybe that's Bram Strowman's new Roll on Raw. That's what we were getting at with that whole tangent. But uh, no. Fun Raw. Just about that
Bruno Sammartino's Sellout Records
00:22:04
Speaker
Monday Night Raw. They had that really nice Bruno Sammartino tribute at the beginning. And I didn't realize how many fucking times that guy sold out Madison Square Garden.
00:22:14
Speaker
OK, so about that. Oh, no. My getting WWE worked. I think you're getting WWE work because I look, I'm not the guy to come to about this. Maybe somebody is like, fuck you, Derek. We actually have all the documentation right here. It really is saying that to you. He's going to say it one way or another. Hogan knows best man or Bruno. Yeah, sure. But apparently, according to Meltzer, that that number is a little suspicious.
00:22:44
Speaker
What was it like, they said, I can't remember if it was 147 or 187. Either way, that's a high number to have headlined Madison Square Garden.
00:22:55
Speaker
Well, let's assume, again, this is a time period where the championship wasn't defended as often, but let's assume he went to Madison Square Garden four times a year, and I'm basing that on nothing. I'm just basing that on a guess of every three months for a Madison Square Garden show makes sense in my mind. How many years would it take to get to that total if he's doing four Madison Square Garden shows a year? I guess 36 years, actually closer to 37 if it's 147.
00:23:25
Speaker
Yeah, that already sounds suspicious to me because that's probably not actually true. I love WWE numbers because it really is like, I'm terrible at math and they must be too. And they just like, I don't give a shit. Just say a number that sounds high. Brock Lesnar has been universal champion for half a decade. I feels like it. I fucking believe that. And if it feels true, it's basically true.
00:23:52
Speaker
Regardless, like Bruno Sammartino, well-respected guy, awesome, awesome, great tribute, regardless of how many times he headlined the fucking Madison Square Garden. And I added the so that that would have bothered me if I were listening to this podcast. Well, but I think the takeaway here is that it doesn't matter what the total was, it was a shitload of times.
00:24:12
Speaker
Yeah, well, either way, what I'm getting at is they had everybody stand on the stage for the Ten Bell salute at the beginning. And I saw about two people behind Vince McMahon was Titus O'Neil. And I was just like, oh, shit, what's he going to get up to this time? Is he going to hug him?
00:24:35
Speaker
They should have a Titus versus Vince match. That's like the most interesting thing I could get out of Titus. I don't know. I actually have very specific feelings about that. I feel like everyone else got over that really quick. I didn't get over it. Like you're still feeling it. I am still feeling it very much.
Titus O'Neil Suspension Absurdity
00:24:53
Speaker
Like I felt like like out of all the things for Vince to get really fucking upset about and suspend somebody over. It was once during Daniel Brand's retirement speech. Yeah. And Vince didn't even like him that much anyway.
00:25:06
Speaker
Yeah, like what the fuck? Like, like, Titus in his mind was thinking, you know, I hear these rumors about all these guys needing to develop a relationship with Vince to get anywhere in this business. So I'm making my move tonight and I like a sincere moment and I'm going to go in for a hug.
00:25:21
Speaker
And the idea that Titus like felt like, all right, I'm making my move and hug and get the fuck off me. Like the idea of him going off is both funny and then sad when you realize he actually followed through with the punishment.
00:25:36
Speaker
You're not getting paid for the next few months because you fucking hugged me. Don't fucking hug me when a man retires. Nobody, no, I swear to fucking God, nobody in the audience, nobody watching at home was thinking, oh man, they're breaking character. Oh no, this seems out of place here. What's going on? Nobody was thinking that it was a genuine moment. That's how it was advertised. No idea.
00:26:05
Speaker
There was a moment during all that where he like grabbed vents his arm and like vents turns like fuck you like And I can tell like that didn't look genuine that looked like Titus had a smile on his face and vents immediately was just the most angry man I had ever seen
00:26:21
Speaker
And I would have given anything to be in Gorilla backstage when he gets through it's like what the fuck is the matter with you? I think I would just like to be in any any location where somebody is livid that they got hugged or given like any kind of affection
00:26:39
Speaker
Like, livid. Don't you fucking hug me on television. Let alone, let alone in a position to be livid and then hand out a punishment. Like, Vince had to go, this seems fair. At the end, he's like, well, I already made the punishment, and if I take it back, I look weak. Guaranteed, he caught some of the backlash and thought about it, and then was like, no, I don't want to look like a pussy.
00:27:05
Speaker
And you know what? Give him one extra month. One extra month suspension just so everybody knows I'm not fucking around. But guaranteed if Lesnar fucking hugged him, he'd give him a raise. Well it sounds like he wanted to give him a fucking bear hug backstage at some point. But I don't know, he gave him the best contract anyone's ever had in goddamn pro wrestling. So, ah fuck it.
00:27:27
Speaker
So there's a lot of different stuff we could talk about, but let's just go ahead and dive right into Friday's show.
Greatest Royal Rumble Insights
00:27:35
Speaker
I probably won't be able to watch it live. I'll probably have to watch it later that night. But the greatest fucking Royal Rumble that humanity has ever seen and ever will see, and doesn't matter where you're at in the universe, it's the best thing to ever happen. And they're not fucking wrong. Did you see the goddamn seats around the ring?
00:27:55
Speaker
No. Dude, they're fucking recliners. They look like something. Oh, really? They're fancy as shit. Normally, they have the seats with everyone's face on it. Yeah. Yeah, not this time. They're going to have a bitch of a time carrying these chairs out because these are just big, comfy recliner chairs. But they're WWE branded recliner chairs? No, they're not. They're just really fancy chairs. The VIP section, I can't even imagine how much people paid to sit on the floor of this fucking thing.
00:28:22
Speaker
I was excited at the idea of getting like a WWE branded recliner that has like Lesnar's face on it.
00:28:30
Speaker
and just seeing a bunch of guys having to, it's like, well, we had to drive a U-Haul here because we had to bring our furniture home. And Saudi Arabia. Jesus. This show is mind-blowing. Because now I'm hearing, I don't know, I had somebody telling me yesterday that this is all being funded by a billionaire. Yeah, I heard that they're making a pretty pity on it, and that's one of the reasons why they're doing it, all the reason they're doing it. And that WWE is making $40 million for this one show.
00:29:01
Speaker
that's a shit ton of money I mean I see why they're doing it but it's so weird to be like fuck it we already we sold enough tickets to WrestleMania who gives a shit the best Royal Rumble of all time no matter what of anywhere in the world this is where we're doing everything
00:29:18
Speaker
Do you think that for getting that much money, they could have come up with a better name? I feel like they didn't get to pick. I feel like the dude who wrote a $40 million check is like the greatest royal rumble. And they're like, sounds excellent. No, he already cashed in. He paid his $40 million over the summer. He's like, you got to name a pay-per-view, great balls of fire.
00:29:39
Speaker
They did it who paid for that who's paying to name these paper views because I want to get in on one of these I would do better I mean some of these are classic names for these paper views are bringing back backlash and And no way out stuff like that. That's classic the greatest royal rumble
00:29:58
Speaker
just not creative. I guess they're not lying. If this was the idea from the beginning was to have 50 people in a Royal Rumble match. What is it? Did I hear this correctly? Is this supposed to be a six hour show? It's going to be six hours. Now, is that included in the six hours? Is the pre-show part of that? Is there like one of those or is it just six hours of straight wrestling?
00:30:19
Speaker
I don't know. Honest to god anything could happen in this show because they're having like these huge matches that I think we're all expecting big outcomes of because you know Shinsuke seems like he's got way more aggressive so I feel like we're gonna actually see the real match that we were looking forward to at WrestleMania. I don't know what's gonna happen with this casket match. I think that Rusev is just gonna I think it's gonna be another five minute thing.
00:30:45
Speaker
What else, like fucking now Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn have to fight everyone that Kevin Owens has ever wronged? Is that what we learned? Yeah, I kind of liked that because it does add an interesting element to the Rumble match. Like I hope that it does just like people come in and they're like, it's like, what the fuck is Titus doing here? He's like, you cut me in line the other day at craft services and fuck you. So so the people they listed was like Jericho. Isn't Shane in the match?
00:31:12
Speaker
Yeah, Jericho, Shane. Shane's also in the Royal Rumble, which this Rumble... That's what I meant. Oh my god. The names that are gonna show up in this fucking Royal Rumble. Like, I promise you. There is, I mean, Boogeyman's gonna be there, right? Like, fucking, they need 50 people.
00:31:29
Speaker
Rey Mysterio supposedly confirmed. Well, did you hear that they ended up running auditions and they had to hire eight guys from Saudi Arabia to be in this that are learning how to wrestle this week? Eight? Eight. Because they need it. And that means that if they ran out of people, I promise you, Brooklyn Brawlers had his gear forever and is ready to get back in.
00:31:51
Speaker
You think Vince is ready? Vince is gonna have to go in there. Fuck, he might come out in the mankind mask and pretend to be Mick Foley just to get some star power, extra star power in there.
00:32:02
Speaker
Man, I have so much to say about this whole show, man. I mean, there's this, I, first of all, like starting from the beginning, I, I, I can't even believe this is fucking happening because, I mean, there's a lot of different things to talk about, but like one of the things is this, this show is potentially, as far as results go, has the potential to be better than WrestleMania.
00:32:26
Speaker
Is that fair to say? No, I think that's absolutely fair to say. I think we're about to watch Roman Reigns win a title. I think we're about to see Shinsuke Nakamura win a title. Paul Heyman's not gonna be there because his passport said that he went to Israel, so they sent him home.
00:32:42
Speaker
That's fucked up. So we're sending him home because he's, what is it, because he's Jewish? And we sent the ladies home because they actually never even got to get the plane right over. Should we, okay. How do you think they feel about that?
Cultural Implications in Saudi Arabia
00:32:58
Speaker
Can we talk about that for a minute? I don't wanna get too political or get into that whole thing, but they have to think kind of a little bit like, yeah, it is a cultural thing, but fuck you a little bit.
00:33:11
Speaker
I think it's more of showing that the company was more ready to take $50 million or $40 million and just abandon the women than instead of being like, it's the women's revolution, the women are part of the package.
00:33:25
Speaker
Right. I don't know. It's I don't feel good about it, but I'm excited about the matches that are going to be there. No, I mean, that's the catch. Twenty two is that I feel the same as you. I'm not comfortable with them conceding like they're they don't really have any integrity. They don't really have any ideals at this point. They literally did this for the the whatever the opportunity, the money, the the ability to say that they did a big show overseas.
00:33:55
Speaker
Well, weren't they when styles beat gender for the WWE championship, they were in England, right? Because that was like the big thing was it was the first time the WWE championship had changed hands overseas. Was that at a house show? No, that was on SmackDown. Okay. I think that sounds right. Well, this has the potential to do a whole bunch of that.
00:34:18
Speaker
and there's a potential here for a lot of titles changing hands. Well, I'm thinking that a dude spent $40 million and he has some specific outcomes. I'm afraid that this guy got to book it. So with that in mind, moving past the women's stuff,
00:34:36
Speaker
I don't know, so the Raw tag team title situation is interesting. Sheamus and Cesaro got drafted to SmackDown. I'm assuming that they're gonna follow through with that, otherwise, why bring it up? So it seems like they booked themselves into a corner, so it seems like Hardy and Wyatt.
00:34:58
Speaker
are going to walk away with the tag titles, which I'm fine with because that's going to be fun stuff. Well, what do you think? Do you think like because the Miz is in a ladder match for the Intercontinental title. Do you think it's possible they swap the titles back again? I do.
00:35:15
Speaker
I really, and not only do I think that they could do it, I'm hoping that they do it. I think it's an opportunity, like you're a big Miz fan. I think the Intercontinental title needs to be on the same show as him. I think it's a cool, I think people like seeing stuff like that where they see, oh shit, the belts can move between brands. And that happens so quickly right after Mania and then back again. Like, I don't know. Yes.
00:35:37
Speaker
It's, I don't know, this show at first, I think we were all looking at it as a glorified house show, and now as we're seeing the set, and the set's bigger than fucking WrestleMania, they've got these fancy ass chairs all over the place, it's already sold out. Like they're advertising this as a sold out show. There are no seats left. I don't, I mean, I don't think I have anyone who's thinking this is a house show anymore. I think we're thinking like, we decided fuck WrestleMania, we're gonna do this show.
00:36:07
Speaker
Yeah, and that's kind of how it feels. And one of the things I wanted to specifically talk about, I wanted to make sure I had some time to talk about this with you.
Roman Reigns' Potential Victory
00:36:15
Speaker
Let's do you think Roman Reigns is winning the belt? I think he has to. I mean, if he does not win it Friday morning around 10am, actually, if it's a six hour show, it'll be sometime after lunch for us.
00:36:30
Speaker
If he doesn't win that, I don't know what the fuck you do with him ever again. You can't just have him lose to this guy three times clean. But what does it say that, like, if this is the guy they've been working on building for four or five years now, if his crowning moment is gonna be basically, you know what, Friday afternoon, overseas, like, but I mean, it just feels so weird. It feels,
00:36:57
Speaker
Like it just, I, this is probably, I feel like we've never encountered anything like this in wrestling before, but specifically in WWE where we're about to watch a guy's big moment happen. And it's not even targeted towards us. It's almost like the, we'll find if you guys don't like it, then I'll show somebody else how awesome Roman Reigns is.
00:37:16
Speaker
But I mean, if they are targeting, you know, overseas demographics and they get that huge show and people overseas see like, oh my God, when they come over here, there's a huge fucking match. That's probably going to draw business over to the next show because they're like, well, remember what happened last time? Like everybody changed belts.
00:37:36
Speaker
Yeah. So I mean, I get what they're doing. It just feels like it. I don't know. I guess it feels like I got slapped in the face a little bit for buying that WrestleMania ticket. But yeah, they're also giving me a show I'm excited about, I think.
00:37:51
Speaker
Right. No, that's what I was going to say is that it almost feels like they held off on a lot of decisions that they could have done at WrestleMania to just cash them in at the show. Of course, we don't know that we're recording this on a Wednesday. We haven't seen what happens yet and its potential. Nothing surprising happens. And that would be actually more surprising to me at this point if they didn't do any of that stuff. I can see most of the belt switching. I wouldn't be surprised if every single belt switched and
00:38:20
Speaker
I don't know. I guess is Braun Strowman going to win the Royal Rumble? That I think either Braun Strowman or Samoa Joe, right? Or Daniel Bryan. Yeah. I guess I don't know who's big over there. Like, I mean, I assume it's the same guys here. I don't, I don't know if it's a, you know, if there's anything different happening over there where it's like, no, we're a bigger fan of this guy. Yeah. That's why I just think it's an interesting decision to try to cash in. Like we're assuming that Roman Reigns will get cheered over there.
00:38:49
Speaker
I guess like at the very least, you know, we're always talking about how everything in the WWE is not us, but just like the world is like the WWE is very predictable in what they're always doing. They just threw us this show that we have no fucking clue. Like it just popped up out of nowhere for us. And backlash is like what, two weeks away? Yeah. And it's fucking huge. So I mean, good on them for making an exciting show and something for me to spend six hours doing secret at work.
00:39:18
Speaker
So, but you know, I was going to predict, I actually think that what's going to end up happening. I think Samoa Joe is bringing the Intercontinental title over to SmackDown. Miz is a fine pick, but I don't see Balor or Rollins retaining. I see gender winning his US title back.
00:39:38
Speaker
Ooh, here's one. You know what? We didn't get the demon at WrestleMania, but I bet if this guy that spent all this money is like, we want the demon, he's like, you got the demon. Paint up, Valor. Really? I don't know, do you, don't you see that? Like if the guy that's giving them $40 million is, I want the small man to wear the paint. It's like, okay, you got it. Paint those abs, boy. But you would think that if they want the demon, they would want Paul Heyman too, right?
00:40:07
Speaker
Jesus. If I was paying $40 million, I would definitely want to see Bailey's tube men and my show. Well, it's a different culture and tube men aren't allowed in Saudi Arabia. That is horseshit. Wacky, waving, inflatable tube men. They're actually stuck at customs right now. They got arrested. And they look so distraught. And they were found with cocaine in their butt, which explains the way they move and their excitement.
00:40:38
Speaker
They're the ultimate marks. Actually, you know what? We're going to send them over to intro Brock Lesnar and then they got caught up over there too. So he's just going to get fucking Jo Jo can't even do it. Can't you? Oh, I'm trying so hard not to lose my shit right now because I just had an amazing image come into my head. Well, you gotta say it. Can you imagine fucking giant ass Brock Lesnar coming out with his music?
00:41:04
Speaker
Coming out with Haman and then when he does that little roar like flex thing that he does after doing a little, you know, skip to Maloo The fucking tube men pop up
00:41:18
Speaker
Instead of fucking Pyro. You're actually making me think that there were some real missed opportunities for the mix-match challenge. If next year we don't get the team of Bailey and Brock Lesnar, then what the fuck was any of this for? The hugger incarnate. And they're like, well, you know, the charity is going to get $20,000, but Brock Lesnar got a $500,000 for each appearance.
00:41:49
Speaker
for a crowd of 3,000 people on Facebook Watch. Yeah, because everyone left and they didn't want to have to sit through 205 Live to get to it.
00:41:57
Speaker
But yeah, if I, oh man, you know what, now I might actually get the next WWE video game just so I can give Brock Lesnar Bayley's entrance, because it is within the realm of possibility to see that. Actually, let's put out a request for that right now. If we have any of our listeners who play the WWE 2K games, if you could give Brock Lesnar Bayley's inflatable, wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube men, if you could give
00:42:23
Speaker
Brock Lesnar Bailey's entrance and record a video of it and share it with us at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter and at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook. We would really, really appreciate that because that might make me piss my pants. And then rate, review, subscribe and see what happens. And then rate, review, subscribe. That's a request. Get on that, guys. Well, I feel like I should go ahead and start talking about I went to Southern Underground Pro this weekend.
Southern Underground Pro Show Experience
00:42:51
Speaker
Yeah, and you got quite a couple good pictures there, my friend. Yeah, this show is very fun. I think this show's going to get better and better. It was a pretty good turnout, even though it was a really shitty rainy day, so a lot of people had to slog through the water to get there, because it's not a super easy place to park. You're going to have to walk in some water, regardless of where you're going.
00:43:15
Speaker
But yeah, did you bring your little flyer to try to get in with it as a ticket? I forgot the fucking flyer. But OK, no, let's go ahead and start out. I spoke with I know his name is Jesse. He's one. He was actually one of the wrestlers. He didn't wrestle this time because I believe he actually had the flu. But he was on commentary and he helps book the show, I believe. He does follow us now. So if you're if you're listening, Jesse, thanks for putting on a great show. I asked him I did say
00:43:41
Speaker
I think the way I had to word it, because I didn't want to offend anyone by saying, what was with the little flyers? So I had to word it, I was like, I'm very interested in the weird details of wrestling. Why were the flyers so small?
00:43:58
Speaker
And he had a good excuse. He did say that he intended for them to be slightly bigger, but he was attending that Smackdown show, and they don't let you into the building with a bunch of flyers. Ah, so he was getting around it. He had to make them small enough that he could hide them in his pocket. That's smart. And you know what? That is good marketing, and I got a little flyer and talked about it a whole bunch. So there we go. It worked.
00:44:22
Speaker
It's a good story, it doesn't change the fact that it's fucking adorable, that it's a very indie show, and you marketed it the right way. So, one of the, okay, there was a match, whatever the main opening match was, I brought some friends with me that had actually never been to any wrestling show ever. So this was their first wrestling they had ever seen.
00:44:41
Speaker
Really? I didn't know this part of the story. Yeah. They just happened to be I didn't realize originally they were going to be rolling through town on their way back to Chicago. So I'm like, well, you're here for the night. You have to go to this. This is kind of the rules. You're or you're going to not hang out with anyone. So you're coming. I'm your host. You're going with me. Exactly. So they went to the show in the first match. One of the guys in it was we were told it was his first match ever.
00:45:06
Speaker
Well, how did that go? It seemed like it was his first match ever.
00:45:12
Speaker
And I will say the show got progressively better as it went on. And not that this was terrible, but it's kind of one of those things where like, I never wanna be somebody's only friend. I also never wanna be your first audience. Like I wanna check it out like a few down the line. Does that mean, should I not want that? Like should I be there for it all? I would wanna be there for it all.
00:45:40
Speaker
Well, you know what? I was there for the goddamn beginning of this guy and his name wasn't on the flyer because I think he was filling in for somebody. But the match that I most want to talk about on this show was it was MJF versus Mance Warner. And it was going to be the match was called Ipoke Mania and it was supposed to decide who was the Ipoke God.
00:46:05
Speaker
And so MJF comes out, cuts a promo on this guy, then Ethan paid- We have history with MJF because we saw him at our AAW show that we went to a couple months ago.
00:46:15
Speaker
Yes, yeah, we first were introduced to him at AAW, and I got to see him a couple times over WrestleMania weekend, so I think MJF is on the rise. I'm a fan of MJF. It seems that way. Yeah, this guy, he's just such a good shit-talking heel. Like, I mean, his wrestling style too seems very WWE to me. I see him fitting in well in that kind of environment. Do you think he'll have to ditch the scarf when he gets there?
00:46:44
Speaker
I don't know, I feel like he's got like several people's gimmick. He's like, because people chant EC2 at him. Instead of EC3, he's kind of got that Miz thing going on, but he's got the Jericho scarf. Okay, but then Ethan Page comes out and they're just cutting promos on each other. He wants to get added to the eye poke match. So they're in a match where just dudes are poking each other's eyes. And these eye pokes were getting distributed like they were super kicks.
00:47:12
Speaker
And the thing that brought me the most joy out of this match is they were still doing leg slaps for the eye poke, so every eye poke sounded just fucking heinous. Like a superkick? Yes. And I thought that was a really awesome thing to do. They ended up having their local guy go over, over the two out of towners, which were Ethan Page and MJF, and they declared that he was indeed the eye poke god.
00:47:38
Speaker
Other than- The local guy? Yeah, they declared that the local guy was, in fact, the iPod God, Mance Warner. Oh, shit. But MJF went out, and there is an older gentleman that I'm told is just like a staple of the Nashville pro wrestling scene. I have not met this gentleman. I believe his name is Papa Hales. And MJF gave him just a forearm right to the side of the head, sending this older gentleman to the ground.
00:48:08
Speaker
Shit, and I hear that the this Papa hails that some of his like his children were in attendance who were like You know our age and they were not pleased because they didn't know that was gonna be part of it and didn't like seeing their Their older dad hit the hit the ground
00:48:24
Speaker
I don't know, he was selling for him. Yeah, so MJF, he got some good heat, but okay, I gotta cut right to the end of this. This is the important part. You have a story about the MJF, and this is, I haven't, for people listening, I've been holding on to this, waiting to hear what he has to say. We're hearing this for the first time. He pulled some shit that I did not agree with, and I can't tell if I'm getting worked, or if it was just some like, heelish, carny shit.
00:48:53
Speaker
Well, so to me, when you go to a wrestling show, you know, like I would never ask somebody for a picture without having given them some money first. That's just, you know, that's how they make their money. It's the way you do things. But every indie show I've been to, and if I want to get a picture with somebody, I go buy their T-shirt.
00:49:11
Speaker
and to me like buying somebody's t-shirt at a wrestling show is like throwing 20 bucks in somebody's tip jar and just being like sure that was a fucking awesome match man thank you uh let me get that shirt and i've bought a lot of t-shirts that i don't even want you know just giving like somebody you know extra giving them a little money like saying good match
00:49:30
Speaker
And usually after I buy the shirt, you ask for a picture and they're like, full on, let's do it. So I get up to MJF, I buy the shirt. I didn't really want the shirt. I was just giving them the 20 bucks because I wanted to get the picture. So we exchange the money, I get the shirt, and I say, is it cool if I get a picture with you? And he goes, that'll be five bucks.
00:49:49
Speaker
Huh. So I had to pay him an additional five dollars to get the picture. And what was your reaction to that? Like in real time, did you like, like essentially like double take or hesitate or whatever? I probably had a little bit of a confused look on my face, but I still had my wallet out. So I still like pulled the five bucks out, but I feel like I was hesitant to do so.
00:50:13
Speaker
Like I didn't have to get your shirt. So basically what you found out is that you could have just paid $5 for a picture. Yeah. And at that point I could have been like, well, can I get my 20 bucks back for the shirt and just give you the five if that's what we're doing? Cause this is, this is all I really wanted. You just broke etiquette, man.
00:50:28
Speaker
Like, and so I don't know, what do you think? Like, is there an actual etiquette at these shows? Like, when you buy the shirt, does that entitle you to a picture? Or is it up to each performer? But I've just, it's so fucking crazy. Cause like, I've done this with fucking everybody. Like, I mean, Ricochet, Chris Hero, Chuck Taylor, you know, Marty Skurll, like you can go down the line, but maybe also these wrestlers, those wrestlers were a little more established and didn't need the extra five.
00:50:57
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to think about that. Like on one hand, I mean, you can't fault a guy for trying to get everything that he can get. Like he doesn't know how much longer he's going to be able to do this. And but on the other hand, if there is kind of like an unspoken protocol about fans getting pictures and whatnot, then if it if it usually involves just buying a shirt to get that done,
00:51:20
Speaker
It's a little weird. I don't know, okay, listeners, am I weird for thinking that the $5 was like a weird carny thing to do? Or is that just, is that normal? I don't know, let me know. Maybe I'm in the wrong and I'm willing to accept it if I am. I was just so used to doing that. I don't know. And I was also drunk at this point. So when it happened, I hope he knows that that stuck with me the rest of the night. Like as I was coming down from being drunk where I'm just like, what a fucking heel.
00:51:48
Speaker
Well, I got texts from you about this as the day went on where you said you were just kind of stewing about it because you could tell if he was being a heel or if he was being like a legitimate dick to you. Oh, he also does not care for the name of the podcast. Really? Yeah, he said it's a break in kayfabe. So maybe he will well then fuck.
00:52:10
Speaker
But the picture was fucking hilarious, so I'm happy I have it. Yeah, it was a good picture. Oh, he was for sure in character that whole time that I was talking to him. But it's like a weird line where he can't be too much of a dick because he's getting money from me, but enough of a dick that I'm getting the experience. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to feel about that.
00:52:30
Speaker
Basically he got five extra bucks out of me and I can't be like super pissed about it. But there was a moment where I'm like, I feel like one of us is brave. Maybe I'm wrong with the etiquette or maybe this is just like at a smaller indie show rather than like a PWG. This is how things work. I don't know.
00:52:47
Speaker
Maybe, maybe because he's not getting paid as much as he would at AAW or something like that. Who knows? I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to comment because I like, I don't know what the right answer is. Maybe, maybe you could tag him in this episode when we post it and he'll listen and then he'll give you his
00:53:04
Speaker
Legit reasoning why he charged you $5 per picture. Here's the thing, if he hears that we talked about this, he is going to let us fucking have it on Twitter. Oh, I know. He's like, oh, you need that $5? He's really gonna give me shit for it, and I'm really afraid of that. Are you? Oh, yeah. Are you more afraid of the MJF giving us shit on Twitter, or are you more afraid of Hulk Hogan or Lesnar coming after you with their grievances? Can we throw in one more? Who? I'm more afraid of Bob Holly's chops.
00:53:33
Speaker
Oh, for fuck's sake. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe MJF will use that five dollars. Maybe he's been saving it up to pay Bob Holly. Well, he better watch out because I got five bucks to throw up Bob Holly to send a chop his way. You've been buying shirts that you don't want. I'm sure you're willing to drop twenty five thirty bucks on outbidding for Bob Holly's chopping services. Yeah, to purchase a wrestling assassin.
00:53:57
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think I think that's an interesting question to ask, which is that, like, are you the asshole for just assuming that this is etiquette and this is how it's always supposed to be done? Or, you know, was the five dollars? I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is. I want like I'm a big fan of it's it's I'm a big fan of like knowing the rules and following them. And I don't want to wrong anyone. So I don't if I am in the wrong here, I would like to know.
00:54:21
Speaker
If anyone has any insight on that, let me know. Either way, Southern Underground Pro, let's get back into it. Okay, there was this, I don't remember what they called it. It wasn't like a clusterfuck match. It was called a scramble match. I'm looking at the Tiny Flyer because it's still on my table. I told you about that little wrestler, Marco Stunt. He is so fucking small. He won this match. It was one of the better matches of the night. It was just like six, seven guys in the ring just all doing a ton of spots.
00:54:51
Speaker
And this room, there is not a lot of room to do top rope shit. You'll hit your head on the ceiling or air ducts. Well, that's something I was going to ask. We've talked about you going to one other of these shows, but I was going to ask, can you kind of, for the listeners, what's the vibe like in this venue? What's it like seeing a show here? How would it compare to other indie shows and the way the venue sets up and what the show's like?
00:55:14
Speaker
Well, the room is definitely smaller than, I would say, an American Legion, because there's no seats at this. This room, it was at a basement east, which is a concert venue in East Nashville. There's a stage right in front, like, you know, where the bands would perform, but where you would stand for those, there's just the ring right in the center. So everybody's kind of surrounding that ring. It's a really small room.
00:55:39
Speaker
There's a pillar right in the middle of it that seems like it would be terrible for concerts fine for the wrestling show But yeah, the ceiling is very low like under two of the turnbuckles they would Legit just hit their heads on the the air ducts and at one point Ethan Page got on the top rope and he I guess normally would do a moonsault or not a moonsault but just like flip and He just kind of did a really funny Pretend somersault like where he just sort of fell on the guy because there wasn't room
00:56:10
Speaker
so it's I don't know it's a got a good vibe to it is they could never bring in somebody that's that high of a flyer you know just there's no space for it and the the space from the ring to the floor is maybe I mean it's less than a foot it's probably six inches the rings low to the ground
00:56:28
Speaker
Yeah, I would like to go to one of these shows someday with you. I want you to come here and go to one. These are a blast. And I mean, this main event, it was a street fight. And Kurt Stallion took the champion, Dominic Garini, and put him upside down in a trash can.
00:56:45
Speaker
And I'm pretty sure that guy legit could not get out of that trash can. I think he was actually stuck. The ref had to tip it over, and when he got out, he was so fucking wet with disgusting beer, like, just stale beer. Because it was a trash can being used. They used croquet mallets at one point. I watched Kurt Stallion just shoot, throw a fucking steel chair at that guy's head so many times.
00:57:09
Speaker
And that kind of stuff, it's hard for me to explain that to people when I bring people who've never watched wrestling where I'm like, no, the kind of wrestling I like is this really athletic stylized, but there's also this other wrestling where they're just beating the piss at each other. This isn't necessarily what I'm watching all the time, but it does exist.
00:57:29
Speaker
Right. Let's see. Kevin Ku and Donovan Danhausen, which is a he's a Canadian wrestler. He's kind of got like a Finn Balor thing going on, but he's painted up more like one of the aliens from They Live.
00:57:45
Speaker
Kevin Koo though, my wife definitely, she said she would have left me for him. She thought he was pretty sexy. Really? That list just seems to keep getting longer. Yeah, it turns out the more you take your wife around all these like handsome jackdudes, the more inadequate you feel. You're prospecting for people that your wife is going to leave you for.
00:58:06
Speaker
So Kevin, just know that my wife, she'd do it. She'd do it. She'd leave me for you. Would she leave you for the MJF? I don't know. No, she did. He asked her if she wanted a shirt too and she laughed in his face. Really? Yeah. Maybe that's why you got charged the extra $5. Because she laughed at him.
00:58:28
Speaker
He tried to upsell and get another shirt. And when she laughed, he was like, well, fuck you. I'm getting a little bit something extra. Maybe that's how the story played out. And that makes sense to me. Good job, Leah. You cost your husband five bucks.
00:58:42
Speaker
Well, it is what it is, and I have a shirt that I'm not gonna wear very often. But yeah, in the end, you know, the Southern Underground Pro Show's super fun. There's another one coming up, I believe, in June. We'll have to, we'll update you on the dates of that, but I know more, I saw several people that listened to the show there. It was great hanging out with everybody. And, you know, we're gonna keep talking about it, and we're gonna keep partying at these shows and having a good time.
00:59:07
Speaker
keep going man because I like hearing about these very indie shows because you hear about some matches that you don't normally hear about plus it's kind of like we're scouting like you said with people that could eventually wind up at a little bit bigger level later on but exactly like this guy Kevin Ku he's got a good look to him
00:59:24
Speaker
He's got a lot of really cool tattoos, and he's not a huge guy, but he is in shape. Because some of these shows, the guys aren't always the most jacked guys. These are guys who are still getting their starts and stuff. Or at least some of them. I don't know, but the more I look at these, and I start to follow, I see these guys are working all over the place. It's just guys I wasn't aware of.
00:59:46
Speaker
I think that's one of the interesting things now that I've been kind of going to different indie shows. It's just kind of learning about different guys that really are almost regional wrestlers.
00:59:57
Speaker
for sure, it makes it feel more like territories. And I do kind of enjoy that, where when you go in this room, all these people know who these guys are and are into it. And it's just a matter of, you know, you can go to the show once and you might, you might scoff a little bit at some of the guys, but as it goes, it's like anything, the more you see these characters, the more you develop a relationship with them and have a good time.
01:00:19
Speaker
I was actually going to bring up somebody. I'm pretty sure there's a girl wrestler up here in Chicago who's building a name for herself pretty well across the country now. Her name's Kylie Rae. OK. And I think she's been at a couple of shows down there in Nashville by you. I've seen advertisements for actually the weekend that I'm going to be up in Chicago. They're having a two day all women's tournament at the National Fairgrounds. And that's probably what she's performing at.
01:00:49
Speaker
Um, I know there's actually some other shows, uh, going on that weekend when you're up here too. So, um, yeah, a lot of stuff going on. Uh, God, and we talked about it during WrestleMania. A lot of times when like a promotion comes through, uh, people will leech onto that weekend and you can make a weekend to pro wrestling, even when it's non WrestleMania weekend.
01:01:10
Speaker
Well, that's what we're going to be at two wrestling shows in May in Chicago. We're going to be at GCW on the 12th, which I believe is in Villa Park. That's like death matches. So it's going to be Joey Janelle and Nick Gage and a bunch of other guys I'm not familiar with that I'm probably going to see make me cringe a whole bunch as they hit each other with light tubes and steel chairs and shit.
01:01:30
Speaker
And we'll be right in the front row getting that on our face. So that'll be interesting. And then we got ROH New Japan the next day. And I think we want to try and set up something. If we have any listeners in Chicago that want to have an actual hangout, I think we're going to set up a time and I'll meet up at a bar and hang out and get some drinks before one of those shows or something.
01:01:53
Speaker
Yeah, we talked about it back and forth. We haven't decided where that's going to happen yet. But if we have any listeners in Chicago, as we said earlier, hit us up on the social media. Let us know what you're thinking at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook at predetermined podcast on Instagram.
01:02:10
Speaker
And yeah, let us know any ideas you have. If you're going to the shows, we love hearing from you guys. And again, rate, review, subscribe. Oh, and stress enough. As far as that, yeah, please rate, review, subscribe. Please. That New Japan Ring of Honor show, we just got a huge main event announced. For sure. It's going to be the Bullet Club against your favorite group's name.
01:02:36
Speaker
Los and Go Bernabalese de Japan. Did you say it right? I hope to fuck I did because because Cody Rhodes today, somebody put something about them and he's like, oh, that group that you probably can't even pronounce their name. Whose most famous member is a stuffed cat is a stuffed cat that they don't own the intellectual property for.
01:02:57
Speaker
Which was hilarious that that's a weird main event to me just because it takes away so many guys Which leads me to believe there's gonna be some other matches that we should be excited about
01:03:09
Speaker
for sure. I'm excited about it. But the other thing, like I said earlier, you want to list off some of the people that Cody has announced for the all in show in September?
All In Show Anticipation
01:03:18
Speaker
Fuck yeah, we just got we got that Britt Baker is going to be there. And we just got that Jay Lethal just got added as well as I think before between the last episode and now Okada got added as well.
01:03:31
Speaker
Yeah. This show is going to be fucking huge, man. I mean, I guess at this point, it really is just kind of a Ring of Honor New Japan show. But I know we're starting to throw interesting females in and also Joey Janela just got thrown into that mix. Yeah. This is going to be a weird wild show. I'm curious to see how long of a show they end up putting on.
01:03:53
Speaker
Cody just made the announcement today on Twitter that and he said this several times but How they're gonna handle the ticket situation is gonna be announced very very soon. He said Wednesday actually Yeah, and and I think
01:04:07
Speaker
I don't know. The way he made it sound is that they're trying to do this. The way they're going to handle their tickets is so that it doesn't reach the secondary ticket market so that you don't have to pay a buttload to get there. They're trying to handle it. They've already priced everything. He has in his mind what his fair price for tickets is. That's why they scouted so many different venues.
01:04:27
Speaker
And so, yeah, they're trying to avoid things getting out of hand with the ticket situation. Hopefully it plays out like we've talked about before. They probably could have picked a bigger venue and it would have sold out. It's still funny looking on Twitter and seeing people put like, oh, you're going to sell out the venue with these people that 12 people have heard of a fuck off. I'm just like, where have you if you don't know who any of these people are? I don't know where you've been.
01:04:53
Speaker
in wrestling, I mean, even if you only watch WWE, I feel like it's hard to not see these names start to pop up. I mean, Okada shirts are sold at Hot Topic now. That's pretty big that Japanese wrestlers are kinda making their way over here.
01:05:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, this is a big deal. This is a monumental moment in the history of pro wrestling to see an indie group of guys, because I don't even want to call it like an organization, because it's not like it's New Japan Ring of Honor. It honestly seems like Cody's the one doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if he's doing it himself. I mean, all of the people they've announced, he announces it on his new Instagram account before they even put it on Twitter. Yeah.
01:05:37
Speaker
So I'm thinking that Cody's bankroll in a good part of this. Well, that's what I'm saying is it doesn't even feel fair to call it an organization. It just seems like it's an individual effort, which is a I don't know. It's a big step in the history of pro wrestling. Watching just one of the boys promote his own show and it's going to be a huge sellout and it's going to be a majorly covered and and yeah.
01:05:58
Speaker
Speaking of they also announced that I want to say it's next week the tickets to the New Japan show in San Francisco at the Cow Palace go on sale and My plan is to be there. I I do plan on that So if you plan on going to the the Cow Palace, let's uh, let's let's hang out over there. Should be a good time Wrestle hang out. Hey Garrett, you know what time it is? It's a time to hit our goddamn music
01:06:23
Speaker
No, it's time to say something nice. Oh, fuck. You got swerved. I got to think of somebody to say. Well, I mean, do I say something nice about MJF? Yeah. Because he wouldn't say something nice about me. No, but that's not how it works. He said our podcast name is Breaking Cave Fabe. Is that going to be an issue that we deal with when we meet other wrestlers? Is there going to be like, I don't like that you're just outright saying that it's predetermined?
01:06:48
Speaker
I hope that's not an issue because I would actually like to address that for a moment and be like, Hey, this has been used as a defense of your business for a long time. We're just rolling with it. Exactly. And this is the whole thing where it was like all the time people come up to me and say, you know, it's fake, right? And it's like, it's not fake. It's predetermined. It predetermined is the word I have to use to defend your business. That cliche. That's why it, that's why we're using it. Yeah.
01:07:33
Speaker
So you know what, you take your fake Burberry Scarf and get the fuck out of here MJ up next time I- no, I'm just kidding. That guy is- he cut such a good fucking promo at this small show and just hearing the way he was able to just effortlessly do that
01:07:41
Speaker
So, uh... You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this.
01:07:50
Speaker
he has definitely had practice. I guess MJF is in CZW. So I mean, that's one of the bigger indie promotions. And it seems like he's putting in good work around and I really hope things go well for him. He just cuts a good promo, he stays in character the whole time after the show, which I really respect. I feel like there's not a ton of wrestlers that have
01:08:13
Speaker
a big enough character to do that, but like, you know, having experienced him and Dalton Castle in person, they're just both fucking delightful to be around. It makes you feel like you're living inside a comic book.
01:08:24
Speaker
I think regardless of the $5 situation, you are rooting for him to make it big, right? Oh, 100%. I'm a fan. Like, I wouldn't have paid the $5 if I wasn't a fan. Like, I wanted that picture. I thought it was, you know, it'd be fun. He's awesome. Like, I want the heel to be shitty to me. Well, you said something nice about a guy who you kind of cut a promo on earlier. But...
01:08:46
Speaker
I'm going to take this is going to be a really weird turn because I'm going to say something nice about somebody that I don't necessarily have a bunch of negative things to say about.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:08:54
Speaker
Let me talk about Braun Strowman for a moment. When Braun Strowman made his debut in WWE, he had all the potential to just be another big guy that never went anywhere.
01:09:08
Speaker
I think you could make the argument right now that he's the most over character on WWE television. That was like very evident on Monday. It's been evident at multiple times throughout the last what six, six to eight months.
01:09:23
Speaker
And I just want to give a shout out to Braun Strowman for being able to, in a very short amount of time, in the matter of like two to three years, he's become such a good worker. He knows what he's good at. He's actually added to his arsenal. Anytime that guy drop kicks somebody, it's a fucking event. Like you, I know you said, I think we talked about this, like,
01:09:44
Speaker
towards the beginning of when we started doing this how you said this guy has so few moves right now that when he starts to add in simple moves it's going to look devastating to somebody else right and I know that dropkick he did on the fucking outside of the ring Jesus Christ it's scary
01:10:04
Speaker
You see a dropkick how many times a week in pro wrestling and then when you see a certain guy do it, it just completely changes everything and it's not because I never really had anything negative to say about bronze. So this isn't a typical say something nice. I just.
01:10:20
Speaker
I think for where he's got in his career in a short amount of time with how little he had to start with and for having every opportunity to just become another big guy. Just a guy who just goes in there and fills his role for two or three years as being a monster and then getting out of there. He's really set the bar high and has blown my expectations out of the water and in my opinion he probably should be the guy.
01:10:46
Speaker
and WWE right now. And we can't be far from that, right? Like he has to get it somewhere. You would think, but I mean, God, he's been hot for a long time and just he fits the exact description of what Vince McMahon wants in a pro wrestler.
01:11:02
Speaker
Right, that's what's so fascinating to me. It's almost like he's mad that the fans chose him and he didn't. And it's baffling how funny the guy is. He really has started to get it all. And him in a tag team with Bobby Lashley was kind of fucking awesome.
01:11:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think the thing that he has mastered very well that a lot of guys don't do, and we talked about this when he did the upright bass segment, he balances the ability to be both comedic and then he can flip a switch and be absolutely terrifying again. And that's not easy to do. He's clearly a quick learner. I could go on all day giving compliments to Braun Strowman. So I got a lot of nice things to say about Braun Strowman. We're ending on a positive note today.
01:11:50
Speaker
Well now that you're done sucking Braun Strowman's dick, hopefully he leaves a review for you. Hey Braun, rate, review, subscribe please.
01:11:59
Speaker
Alright everybody, this has been another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. You know, check out all the social medias at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook, at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter, at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. Yeah, let's fucking hang out again next week. How does that sound? Yeah, do that and also hit our goddamn music.