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Luisa Hogan: Most leaders believe resilience means pushing harder and staying strong and finding answers very quickly. But what happens when life puts you in a season where nothing can be forced forward? Not your business, not your health, not your future.
Luisa Hogan: Today's conversation is about the inner battle of learning how to stand steady when everything around you feels uncertain. Welcome back to the Second Voice Podcast, where we uncover the conversations that leaders don't say out loud. My name is Louisa Hogan, I'm your host, and today we're exploring what happens when leadership collides with uncertainty, loss, patience, and the kinds of storms that you can't simply work your way out of.
Luisa Hogan: My guest today is the lovely Bill Derrick, and he is a family business leader with over 50 years of experience in the construction industry. He helped lead his company through the trials of the great recession in the construction and real estate industry. And his latest book, Restored by the Storm, Navigating Through Life's Unexpected Challenges, instills a real sense of inspiration, essential for anyone seeking to find meaning and strength in the midst of life's storms. And we definitely have experienced storms in recent times. Bill's work assures you that there is still much to achieve and cherish even after significant loss and I'm so pleased to have you with us today, Beric, Bill. Welcome to the Second Voice podcast and thank you for joining me from all the way across the world.
Luisa Hogan: I'm so pleased to have you here.
Bill Derrick: the Yeah, it's great to be here, Louise. I very much appreciate it. Yeah, my life has been one in mostly in the construction real estate industry and, you know, the battle that you talked about during the Great Recession.
Bill Derrick: And of course, my story continues with shortly thereafter having to battle a non curable blood cancer. And yeah, So it's it's kind of like, you know, the rug was pulled out of me, ah out from under me as far as business.
Bill Derrick: And just when I think life's going to get back to normal, then all of a sudden the rug's pulled out from under me again with my health. So, yeah, that's that's kind of my background.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Well, i'm I'm really interested to delve into that because there are people listening who are maybe new in their leadership journey, maybe are very experienced and been going at it for a long time. um But something like having these unexpected situations and the rug pulled out from under you, as you say, is something that is inevitable. I think it happens to everyone at some point in life and who you just don't know what that news is going to be or what that experience is going to be. So I'm i'm interested to delve into that. When when those things happened for you what was the internal dialogue that you were facing at the time and how did you get out of that?
Bill Derrick: Yeah, I think the the initial thought that I had was denial. This really can't be happening. um You know, I understand, as you said, that we all get our chance to go through trials and storms in life.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: um I was a little naive prior to the Great Recession, thinking that that myself, my business was immune from that.
Bill Derrick: And I mean, I talk about being in control I think that that leads into, you know, what you just asked. Um, my personality was such that, uh, I, I was in control and all of a sudden I wasn't.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Bill Derrick: And so right away I'm going, well, this, this can't be happening.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: um this wasn't in my plans. Uh, this can't be a long-term thing. It ended up being five years. um All those thoughts went through my my mind.
Bill Derrick: um And i starting out, I wanted to control the situation. And think some of that was important because good leaders have to learn when it's time to pivot.
Bill Derrick: And I believe that Uh, just because my attitude at the time, i was willing to say, what, what's the best thing to do right now.
Bill Derrick: And that was to pivot and to look at the fact that our business wasn't going to be what it, what it was and it was going down. and we had a lot of loans with, uh, bankers at the time because of our real estate.
Bill Derrick: And it was time to start to discuss different arrangements with them. Put it that way. I was learning Louisa that I think one of the biggest lessons I had to learn was good leaders don't always have all the answers.
Bill Derrick: And I was convinced up to that point that as a leader, everybody looked to me to have the answers. And that put a lot of pressure on me, uh, stress, you know, that kind of thing. And then all of a sudden,
Bill Derrick: You get into something like this and it's say I didn't know what I didn't know. And I needed to start finding out what we should do and started talking to other people and started listening to other people.
Bill Derrick: And, uh, that, that was really important during this time. Um, you, you read about it and and you're, you're in the consulting business, you know, that,
Luisa Hogan: And.
Bill Derrick: When you see good leaders, generally speaking, they have a sense of humility. And I think at that time, that's what was going on in my brain, that I was learning that, you know, it's I needed to humble myself a little bit here and realize that maybe our business wasn't as good as I thought it was. i wasn't as good a leader as I thought I was, and I needed to learn some things. And that's, you know,
Bill Derrick: Those are all things that were going through my mind at the time.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Amazing how, you know, 50 years in leadership and you're still learning, you still learn things as you go, right?
Bill Derrick: Yep.
Luisa Hogan: Like you you never arrive.
Bill Derrick: Yep. Yep.
Luisa Hogan: For me personally, um you know, I'm 45 years old. I've had CEO roles, I've have had two of my own businesses. And you you always wait, for me, i'm I'm a recovering control freak, you know?
Bill Derrick: little
Luisa Hogan: And I was always waiting to arrive when I do this, that's when I know that you know, it's done and that I'm a good leader, you know?
Bill Derrick: yep
Luisa Hogan: And exactly what you say, there's this notion in leadership, I had it and now I'm mentoring others not to have it, of that notion of, I have to have all the answers and that's what a strong leader looks like.
Luisa Hogan: You know everything.
Bill Derrick: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: And realizing that you don't is really humbling, as you say, and then you have to surrender to that.
Bill Derrick: Yep.
Bill Derrick: Yes, absolutely.
Luisa Hogan: Right. Yeah.
Bill Derrick: Absolutely. him
Luisa Hogan: So, you know, if, if that was your definition of strong leadership and and you've hinted at this, you know, already, but what does strong, what is the definition of strong or good leadership look like to you now?
Bill Derrick: Um, I think in my world right now and keep in mind, Louisa, that where I'm at with my business now, it's succession planning.
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Bill Derrick: I'm a second generation leader, uh, Myself and my brother are in the process of looking at how to pass that to the third generation of leadership.
Bill Derrick: So I'm dealing with that. um I'm learning as a strong leader with that as the background that most important role that I play now is a sense of being able to assess situations and not just, ah ah you know, strong leader doesn't,
Bill Derrick: doesn't just, okay, I've got this figured out, here's what we're gonna do. Strong leader sits back and assesses what's going on. Listening to other people on his leadership team or on his staff or or whatever,
Bill Derrick: And almost to the point where the leader doesn't necessarily make the decision. he allows his people to come to the conclusion they need to come to.
Bill Derrick: Now, obviously in leadership, you, you, you gotta make sure that you agree. with where it's heading, but as long as you're allowing your staff to take, take you where you need to be, that's what a strong leader does.
Bill Derrick: Now, that also means a strong leader isn't a leader who's always taking credit for what's going on.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: You have to be willing to submit to what's going on and just say, you know, sometimes other people deserve the credit. Um, You know, sometimes you hear leaders say, I'm the type of leader that when something goes wrong, i take the blame for it.
Bill Derrick: And when something goes right, I credit my staff for that. And I kind of like that a little bit, you know, and, um but I think that's, that's what a strong leader does.
Luisa Hogan: no
Bill Derrick: I, I preach, preach patience a lot.
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Bill Derrick: And especially, know, we have a a team now we're, 90 people strong, that type of thing, all sorts of people. I mean, you know, different types and, and, uh, I tell, i tell our leaders that sometimes the best you can do is make suggestions.
Bill Derrick: And you may get shot down right away, but if it's a good idea, somewhere down the road, it'll be brought back up again at the right time. And then the company will be willing, able to seize on that at that time.
Bill Derrick: And I know that that doesn't fit what some people's definition would be of strong leadership, but strong leaders don't necessarily force the issue.
Luisa Hogan: No.
Bill Derrick: So that, that would be, yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Again, it's sorry, carry on.
Bill Derrick: No, that, that would be the way I look at leadership now. Um, yeah, i I, and I'm not sure how the, how others sometimes feel about it.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: Um, uh, I tell people where I'm at in life right now, I'm content, but not necessarily complacent. And so Don't misconstrue my contentness with the fact that I don't care because I do care.
Bill Derrick: And if I need to step in somewhere, I'll step in. But if you're doing your job as a leader, the times you have to step in to prevent disaster should be far and few between if you're really doing a good job of training your people.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Bill Derrick: And, you know, that goes to succession planning then. Because so often you have, uh, entrepreneurs, founders of companies and, and things like that, that they know they want to step away, but they haven't prepared their staff to be able to take over. At least that's their attitude is that, well, they can't do my job.
Bill Derrick: Well, whose fault is that?
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: And so,
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Bill Derrick: The stage I'm at in my, in my career, at least with this business is that I get lots of enjoyment seeing the, uh, the rest of the leadership team and others take over.
Bill Derrick: It gives me great joy. And I've kind of said in, uh, in, uh, when we get all our employees together for, for a state of the company address, which I try to do about four times a year.
Bill Derrick: Um, I just tell them how the future is bright for our company because of the people we have, the process in place, our market, all that. And I say, my only regret is, is I'm not going to be around to see it because I'm very excited about the future, but that's the way a strong leader has to think.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, definitely.
Bill Derrick: So that makes sense.
Luisa Hogan: Makes total sense. and I love how you you talk about, you know, um that that patience piece again, you know, and being content but not complacent. I love that.
Bill Derrick: Yep.
Luisa Hogan: yeah ah so relate to that because with me, as I've matured in my leadership and in matured in my business ownership and scaling my my company, I'm finding that I am working really hard on doing something, being committed to it, but letting go of the outcome because, know, When you control the outcome and you and it doesn't work out exactly how you imagine, you just want to control it more and you it it becomes more and more difficult to get to the outcome.
Luisa Hogan: But letting go of the outcome doesn't mean that you don't care. It means that you've done everything that you can and it's now out of my hands and I've got to trust the people around me, the universe and God and what you know what what God is bringing to me and the universe is bringing to me.
Bill Derrick: That's true. Yep.
Bill Derrick: Yep.
Luisa Hogan: And just trust that the right thing is going to come without sitting there waiting for it, right? So you still got to take action, right? But tell me a little bit about, you know, you you you mentioned patients.
Bill Derrick: Yep.
Luisa Hogan: And I imagine, you know, for you, you know, getting your cancer diagnosis, you know, what was the patients like there? Because that's something that you can't control.
Luisa Hogan: Definitely nothing you can do about. What was your learning around patients when there was no immediate solution to fix it?
Bill Derrick: Yeah, um I think that and when you read my book, Restored by the Storm, I talk about this, how how maybe in retrospect, but how I can see that those five years in the business storm actually helped prepare me for maybe the great, for sure, the greater storm, you know, where my life was threatened. And, um but that first storm kind of prepared me heart, mind, body, and soul.
Bill Derrick: to be ready for the the real storm. I mean, i the first storm certainly was very important, but part of what you learn when when the threat of everything is going to be taken away from you is really what's important.
Bill Derrick: And certainly our health is one of the more important things. And I know that this isn't a faith-based podcast per se, but you know, you mentioned it. For me,
Bill Derrick: It helped me to surrender. So when I got that diagnosis, um, and eventually after the diagnosis, we found our way to Mayo Clinic.
Bill Derrick: Um, very fortunate Mayo Clinic, you world-class. hospital and clinic here in the United States that we, we were an hour and a half from that drive. So, I mean, um but at that point, that patients part of it,
Bill Derrick: um it kind of went with, okay, what's the first step? What's the next step? We've, you know, we've got this. Not because I got it and I'm sure I'm going lick it, but I've ah put, I've gotten in front of the best doctors that I could possibly get in front of.
Bill Derrick: And um we were doing our research and you do all those things, but my patients part of it
Bill Derrick: It's kind of a little bit of tangent, but i I was in a good spot where, um quite frankly, one of the first treatments I had was radiation treatment because I had a tumor in my back, right between the shoulder blades, the T4 disc.
Bill Derrick: It actually had eaten the disc to the point where I had lost about two inches of height.
Luisa Hogan: Wow.
Bill Derrick: Um, I was in a lot of pain from it and it was actually starting to impinge or whatever the term is on my spinal cord. And i asked the doctor, I said, what are we going to surgery? And he says, oh no, no, no. He said, we would never take that chance. He said, uh, we could maybe get it with chemo, but I want it done quickly. So they decided to go with radiation.
Bill Derrick: Five, five radiation sessions the consecutively consecutive days. I'm sitting on the table the first day, Louisa. And what do you do when you're just, you know, this is like, what am I doing here at that time?
Bill Derrick: And I just sat there and, uh, being a, being a Christian man, i knew I had to pray. And I basically laid there and basically said, Lord, I don't got this.
Bill Derrick: I'm moving over. You get in the driver's seat and you take me where you want to go. And I'm along for the ride. And I think that's where I derived my patience during that time, knowing that I wasn't in control anymore.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Hmm. Hmm.
Bill Derrick: And I had to learn during that time that quite frankly, we can control our attitude and our effort and whatever else, you know, in my case, whatever else God gives me to control, but for the most part, attitude, effort.
Bill Derrick: And I had a job to do, and that was controlling both of those. Now, relating that back, I still had a business I was leading.
Bill Derrick: Some people would say, I can't believe you continue to do that. And maybe looking back, I might agree with them, but at the time it only seemed natural. I mean, I didn't want to be known as Bill Derrick, the guy with cancer.
Bill Derrick: It was just something I had to deal with and I was going to get through it. Um, but, um, I had to learn a lot of patients during that time in the first few years of fighting cancer, maybe culminating with the stem cell transplant in 2016, they were tough years.
Bill Derrick: They were really tough.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: And, uh, but I was willing to wait it out. And I basically said to my doctors, they, uh, the, uh, the expected average expected life.
Bill Derrick: after diagnosis was like about seven years at that time. So I was diagnosed in 2013. And I basically told them, I'm you know, the doctor, I'm a smart man. I've taken statistics. I've taken all that.
Bill Derrick: I know where that average is, is at the top of the bell curve. I said, I will do whatever you asked me to do. I will do whatever it is. And you work hard for me and let's get to the other side of the bell curve and there's a long tail there.
Bill Derrick: And that's kind of where I'm at right now with my cancer. And, uh, but it's been patients and maybe one day at a time.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: And trust. Trust that it's taken care of
Bill Derrick: must Yeah. And you know, it's confirmed all the time. I, you know, multiple myeloma, they say the one sure thing about it is this eventually comes back and I, you know,
Bill Derrick: I was just told by a doctor the other day that I was seeing, he said, yeah, my experience is someone like yourself that's gone this long, you may not see it back, you know, but I don't worry about it.
Bill Derrick: i
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Bill Derrick: I know there's people out there that would be scared stiff, but right now where I'm at in life, I i just don't worry about it.
Luisa Hogan: But you know, that might actually be the strength, right? Because I think worrying about it and fear and anxiety is just not good for you and your body.
Bill Derrick: Yep.
Luisa Hogan: there's There's research out there about it and how it impacts your health.
Bill Derrick: No.
Luisa Hogan: So probably the exact attitude that you have is the thing that's helping you too, right? So, you know, it's interesting you mentioned, oh, sorry, carry on.
Bill Derrick: Yeah. Yeah. And my. Yeah, my wife would would say right now, I mean, she's she's not convinced, but she's convinced.
Bill Derrick: She said. You went through a lot of stress during the Great Recession. And she says, I'm not so sure that that probably didn't bring on your cancer to your point.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Bill Derrick: You know, that stress wasn't good. Now, as I got through the end of the great recession, of course, by then I had started to relax and started to understand that, Hey, you know, one step at a time quitting is not an option. know, you, you know,
Bill Derrick: and all that. So yeah, I was starting to build up that, that resilience, but those first few years were very stressful.
Bill Derrick: And did that cause my cancer?
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: I don't know. It doesn't really matter. And, uh, but right now where I'm at, it's, I don't have a lot of stress. So.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: ah ah It's interesting, you know, listening to you and im hearing two parts of your identity because, you know, you mentioned the identity that you had during that crisis you were going through with the recession, the kind of leader that you were then. and then, you know, you get this diagnosis and then you had this identity of, I don't want to be known as the guy with the cancer. Right. And, but then listening to how you are now, i feel like there's been a huge identity shift in you.
Luisa Hogan: There's been ah an enormous one. What, what is that what is that identity difference? If you could put it in a sentence of the thing that is completely different about you now, as opposed to who you were, what do you think that is?
Bill Derrick: Learning to trust and not control.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: I mean, to to make it short and sweet, Louisa, that's, that's my identity now.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: And, uh, I just talked about it this morning on a zoom call with a group of men that we meet every Thursday morning. And and the one guy was talking about, oh I got to take, you know, this and the other guy was talking, yeah, I got this. And, and finally I looked at him and I said, guys, we know this stuff.
Bill Derrick: We need just turn it over to someone else and trust. and And I'm a big believer in that.
Luisa Hogan: Amazing. I love you giving me goosebumps because this is, you know, part of what I've been learning. And it's just so lovely to hear somebody who's been through it and to to say it because it it it resonates so, so hugely with me.
Bill Derrick: Sure.
Luisa Hogan: Tell me, what do you think people misunderstand about resilience? I know what I think people misunderstand about resilience, but what do you think people misunderstand about resilience?
Bill Derrick: I think there's a part of resilience that that misunderstanding is that you need to be strong no matter what. You need to push through it.
Bill Derrick: If you're a guy, don't show any tears. Don't, you know, you you need to put on a strong front. And that's not resilience. um Resilience to me is...
Bill Derrick: Um, in the case of storms, one of the things I had to learn, and it sounds, sounds really strange, but I'm just going to say it the storm will end.
Luisa Hogan: Hmm.
Bill Derrick: Now, when you're in the middle of a storm, you don't believe that. I mean, you're like, this is never going to end. My life is ruined. You know, you have those, but part of that resilience factor is say, stay strong.
Bill Derrick: This too shall pass. You need to be patient. And the most important thing is don't quit in the middle of a storm because that's what you'll want to do.
Bill Derrick: And, um, there's a lot of people out there that unfortunately maybe didn't heed that advice and they'll talk about failure in their lives. Now that I'm not saying, know, we all have our moments of failure.
Bill Derrick: But there's people out there that have failed at something they tried, whether it's business or something else, that if they just would have hung in there longer and pushed through it and had the resilience to do that, that success was just around the corner.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, yeah.
Bill Derrick: And I mean, I, maybe it sounds a little abstract, but I truly believe that, that you, you just have to understand that in my world, quitting is not an option.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Bill Derrick: And I know, i remember the phone call I had with a businessman from our town. he called me up, we were talking and I just said, Mike, this is just. I don't know. I think you might be reading about our company in the paper under, you know, filing for bankruptcy or whatever. I'm just, and, um, I said, the hardest thing is not knowing when it's going to end and how it's going to end.
Bill Derrick: And he said, well, you can determine that. And I said, how? And he said, quit, give your land back to the banks, let them sue you, whatever, you know, just quit. And I, I, it was just like, I just said, it's over the phone. I just said, well, quitting is not an option.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: And now isn't that, I mean, you talk about, you know, and this gentleman was able to get that out of me.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Derrick: And once I said that, I go, well, that's true.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Bill Derrick: And, and he just said, you know what? Every day you just
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: Do something every day to get through this. And eventually you'll get through it.
Luisa Hogan: For
Bill Derrick: You know, that that gets back to what I said earlier about being able to listen to others.
Luisa Hogan: sure.
Bill Derrick: So.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's such such grand advice, you know knowing that the storm will end. I love the the storm analogy. The storms do end even when you're in the middle of it.
Luisa Hogan: And it just reminds me also, there's this Taoist you know story around this farmer who's very poor. He's the poorest man his village. There's him and his son. They've got one horse as a resource.
Luisa Hogan: That's it. That's all they've got. And the the whole village was always, oh, what are you going to do?
Bill Derrick: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: You're so poor. What are to do? And he was like, we'll see what tomorrow brings. right He was like, we'll see what's with the surrender. right And then the next day the horse ran away and the village was like, you're in even worse situation now.
Bill Derrick: ye
Luisa Hogan: And he said, we'll see what tomorrow brings. And the next day after that, the horse came back with a whole herd of horses that he'd found. And the village was like, oh, now you're super rich. How wonderful, you're the richest in the village.
Luisa Hogan: And he said, we'll see what tomorrow brings because the good times also end, right? And then, oh, excuse me. And then, you know, his his son fell off a horse and broke his leg looking after the horses.
Luisa Hogan: And they said, who's going to help you now look after the horses? He said, we'll see what tomorrow brings. And then the next day the country went to war and his son couldn't go with and all of the village sons left except for his because he was recovering from a broken leg.
Luisa Hogan: And I just love that story because it illustrates a resilient mindset is all about knowing the the good times last, that don't last, the bad times don't last, and tomorrow brings a new day.
Bill Derrick: and
Luisa Hogan: That's all you've got.
Bill Derrick: And you know what's really neat is the times of adversity. They strengthen us and they help us learn more than we learned during the times of success.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, 100%. The school, it's school. i say I say to my husband all the time, you know, we go through something challenging. It's the school that you need for the next phase of your life.
Bill Derrick: that and And that's it. You know, I didn't understand that. I mean, did I want to be in that financial storm?
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Bill Derrick: No. In fact, you know, two years later, i was, you know, in church thanking God that I don't have to go through hard times like other people do.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: You know, he must have just laughed. I use the expression, you want to make God laugh? Tell him what your plans are. So, you know, and, um but seriously, now I, does that mean i want i want I want to go through another storm?
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: No, not necessarily. But I've also learned that where I'm at in life, a lot of what makes Bill Derrick what he is today is because of the storms.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Bill Derrick: And that's, you know, that's what I wrote about in my book.
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Bill Derrick: And, you know, I i know I'm not the only one in the world that's got cancer. I'm not the only one that's gone through business problems or other problems.
Luisa Hogan: you
Bill Derrick: um But the reason why I wrote the book and the reason why I get up and in front of public, in in in front of people and and do public speaking and that is,
Bill Derrick: Yeah, I've got an interesting story and you know, people like listening to it, but it's not the story so much and it's not so much how I got out of it.
Bill Derrick: The important thing about the story is what I learned and the lessons learned and being able to, to say that to others.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah,
Bill Derrick: And cause sometimes we read about the same stuff in a book. But it doesn't hit home as much as someone one who's actually gone through it.
Luisa Hogan: yeah for sure.
Bill Derrick: and um And I've gone through it, I've lived it, and you know what I've learned is from my experience, not necessarily from a book I read.
Luisa Hogan: Well...
Luisa Hogan: yeah official show
Bill Derrick: So...
Luisa Hogan: well I could talk to you for ages about your experiences, but where can people find you if they want to read your book, if they want to learn more about you, they want to hear you speak, where can, where can we can find you?
Bill Derrick: Sure. um Well, first of all, my book is available wherever books are sold. ah You know, over here, and I, you know, I'm sure you got the bookstores over there.
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Bill Derrick: They may not have it on the shelf, per se, but they'll order. If you go there and say, I want Restored by the Storm, Navigating Through Life's Unexpected Challenges by Bill Derrick.
Luisa Hogan: Mm-hmm.
Bill Derrick: The cover looks like that. They they will order it or ah it's available on Amazon. So you could go there. As far as other information, I have a website, pretty simple, BillDerek.com.
Bill Derrick: And on there, you'll get more information about me.
Luisa Hogan: Peace.
Bill Derrick: If somebody wanted to contact me to speak to their organization or their company, there's information how they can do that. Um, every now and then I might sneak a recent podcast I've done in there too, so they could listen to that. And, um, but billderick.com and, um, you know, I i appreciate it anytime, even if somebody wanted to go on there and say,
Bill Derrick: I got a question for Bill and go through my website, send me the question to it through my email. I'd love, I love to talk to people who have either read my book or listened to a podcast and just, you know, hear from others. So.
Luisa Hogan: Excellent. Well, I'll pop all of that in the show notes for you, Bill, too. And if ah for anyone listening, have a look at the show notes or go ahead and order Bill's book. I can't wait to read it. um And I know that you will all get something really valuable out of reading that story. I i i love your philosophy on resilience. It marries up so much to the work that I'm trying to do and trying to get leaders to see and and what I do every day, Bill, and you are living and breathing it. So I'm very grateful for your time today.
Bill Derrick: I am very grateful that you allowed me to be with you today. So, yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Thank you. And to everyone listening, sometimes the strongest leaders are not the ones who are trying to force the storm to end because we all try force the storm to end. But the strongest leaders are actually the ones who learn who they are while standing inside of that storm.
Luisa Hogan: And I think that's what I took out of my conversation with Bill today. Thank you again, Bill. To everyone else, we'll see you next time. Take care.
Bill Derrick: Thank you.
