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Luisa Hogan: If you've been solving the same problem for years and you haven't gotten anywhere and you've thought that pushing harder was the way to tackle that, maybe the map you're using is the one that is holding you back.
Luisa Hogan: and harder is one of only two directions available. So my guest today says that the map that we're using is missing a dimension and that we think in 2D when there's a whole new dimension to think about. And that most of us flatten our lives to fit in to fit in that dimension. And he's already proven this with me because I have worked with this guest before and still do. And I know that you are going to absolutely love having him here today.
Luisa Hogan: So welcome back to the Second Voice podcast, where we uncover the conversations that leaders don't have out loud. I'm Louisa Hogan, your host, and today I'm joined by Mark Zahn. He's an entrepreneur. and an intuitive hit leader whose paths have run from underground coal mines to corporate boardrooms to building businesses and helping people reconnect with themselves he spent nearly two decades in personal development meditation intuition and and and like energy healing and through his practice marks and healing he brings these two worlds together business and intuition exploring how energy awareness and the beliefs we carry shape the way we lead and the decisions we make and how we experience both failure and success. and i
Luisa Hogan: Like I've touched on before, I'm saying upfront that... he changes This will change the way you'll think of this conversation because Mark is my intuitive he healer. I work with him. but He works with me every single fortnight. He does this remotely. And I can honestly say that in the past few months, I have seen such huge progress in myself because he is such a talented healer.
Luisa Hogan: and he i'm on not interviewing someone today about theory it's me talking about my own experiences with them and i know that he's going to ask me great questions so today is a little bit of an episode with a difference so mark thank you so much for joining me today i am so happy to have you here i feel like this is like a bonus episode in my life
Mark: Thank you so much for the intro. it's gonna be fun and i'm just so stoked to be here and i'm glad to hear that
Luisa Hogan: Yep.
Mark: yeah you've had this positive impact from our work together so yeah let's get into it
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Let's get into it. So usually I start with like, you know, tell us more about you, but I actually want to start with the whole 2D, 3D thing, because this is something that you are very good at explaining and you're very good at bringing to your work. So for those of you, for those people who know nothing about energy healing or what that 2D, 3D map looks like, tell us a little bit more more about what that is.
Mark: Yeah, so I guess um to put it in the simplest terms, we often... view our lives in this x and y axis so the 2d moving forward and where will it take us will it elevate our status our position our money whatever it might be or will it lower it and we're constantly kind of moving forward with that without evaluation And.
Mark: I guess, and I'm guilty of it. I guess we're all guilty of it, particularly with um the influence we have from like social media and and the people around us um compar in comparative. But there is this energetic element and to fully experience every element of our lives, we need to break that down into what it really means. and that ah how it affects us on an energetic level, an emotional level, a spiritual level. and I feel like there's no escaping instances of life where
Mark: like a small veil gets like placed over us and it becomes. part of what suppresses our energetic resonance what what we put out into the world what we get from the world and ultimately affects our the our experience the entirety of our experience so yeah i'm very passionate about questioning people when they have a really clear uh uh let's say material goal and i'm like so what does that mean what does that bring you and um And yeah, and it kind of leads to this.
Mark: cracking open of the 2d and expanding into the 5d let's say but it goes beyond that there's no limit to the dimensions you can affect in working on the energetic resonance of yourself so yeah
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, amazing. And for people listening who've never experienced this world. you know. tell them more about the work that you do in your healing practice because some people would be hearing this for the first time what does energetic healing look like what does it mean what what do you do and i can talk from my own experience but what is it that you do
Mark: Yeah.
Mark: Yeah, it's a good question. Very difficult to explain, I would say.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Mark: but um I guess. Just starting from a personal, I was very much tied to that 2D element and it wasn't until I had my first energy healing.
Mark: that it really cracked me open and i felt like i left that room and that experience seeing things lighter experiencing life clearer and being happier than i ever had been and I guess.
Mark: what you're really doing is ah well let me step back for a second when we move through life like i said earlier um you know things might not go your way maybe you persist in the area and it makes you feel sick because you're neglecting your sleep or your health or a relationship whatever it might be um kind of this cause and effect aspect. and each of those things and if you were to study different types of modalities i'd say an energy will be stored in different parts of the body and that reflects uh a circumstance so um
Mark: i don't know if you get us all back it can be about stability or worry and things like that Those kind of things. But we're going a layer deeper. So we're looking at energy centers. We're looking at maternal and paternal.
Mark: energetic influence onto the person as well. so we're really using or I personally use a series of modalities to connect with spirit, let's let's say it out loud. and um and really see what is happening energetically for that person and i'm kind of moving the energy so it channels clearer and it helps that person.
Mark: Just. see and experience life a lot clearer, balancing the energy centers. um all those sort of things there's quite a lot to it and i just want to keep it kind of uh high level because
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Mark: yeah i don't want to lose anyone in there in the craziness that it is but even for me to talk about it now it's it's pretty wild and even i like think i have to check myself because i'm like wow this is um
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, yeah
Mark: If someone had said this to me 20 years ago, I'd just be like. get out of my face but now i'm like so deep in it and um and it's just cool seeing that the work actually influences people's lives so
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. yeah
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. It really does. I'm going to hop in here and tell you tell people about my experience based on what you just said, right? so I find it really fascinating. um
Luisa Hogan: you know i live in perth mark is over east we don't even live in the same city and he's able to do this remotely for me and every fortnight he will you know Dude. do the session for me i don't i'm not even aware when he's doing it and then he'll send me this voice note afterwards and i find it so incredible that from his voice note he's always able to pick up exactly what's going on in my world at the time and there's one that comes through you know he was talking earlier about maternal you know, maternal patterns and maternal signs. Every time it comes up with me on my left side, my left hip, my left foot, you know, he's always talking about my maternal side. And it's so funny because, you know, I, you know, I work with my sister to support my mom overseas and all of these things always come up and I'm always.
Luisa Hogan: I'm surprised and not surprised. He does it. And every time I'm like amazed that he's nailed it in terms of what's going on and that he hasn't even spoken to me or seen me and he's able to interpret from my energy.
Luisa Hogan: exactly what's going on in my world so even if you're a skeptic you don't have to understand how he does it but he does it and it's always amazing because then you know for a week or two afterwards i feel this incredible lightness so i feel this incredible ability to work through whatever i'm going through that i I think you know six months ago eight months ago would have just been something like ruminating on my mind all the time that I wouldn't have been able to release and he always just
Luisa Hogan: you know gives me something to think on based on what he's seeing and i always feel so much better so Just from my perspective, Mark, like that's that's how I see it in my world, you know.
Mark: Yeah. Yeah, and everybody's situation is kind of different um where there's like a more prevalent. physical ailment like and and actually we did have this experience if you don't mind me sharing when um your tooth was cracked but or something to that effect and i picked that up and
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
Mark: um when somebody's experiencing like a more physical ailment then you tend to um that would take center a stage but it is like what you're saying uh when you're having those thoughts or those those repetitive patterns or things haven't gone your way or worry or whatever it might be they really create this but bundle of energy that kind of sits in our body. and And that's where I'll come in and kind of move that. And it will make you feel clear or make you choose from a higher place rather than from. a place where that worry stems. and
Mark: Yeah, it's it's a real privilege to be able to do that work. and it' as i please it's incredible like i got no words for it i just when it's good to get confirmation from people about the impact that it has so yeah
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. and you know people who come to this podcast want to like hear about the self -talk and you know what it you know they're entrepreneurs they're leaders And for anybody listening, how this helped has helped me and my self -talk and my internal thinking is it actually helps.
Luisa Hogan: me lean into my intuition a little bit more and then you know mike will come back and say you're not leaning into your intuition enough you know you can tell and you know it really it really helps me you know remember and bring that awareness to myself too to not allow that first voice to run away with me and to allow myself to settle and he also gives me the tools and the healing to allow me to tap into that intuitive side a lot more right so
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: you know, if you're coming here listening for how do I improve my self -talk, this is definitely one way that you can do that, right?
Mark: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And I think that was one of the things that was really prominent when I first started working with you is just um you helping you escape your mind a little bit.
Luisa Hogan: Yep.
Mark: and i And I know this is true of so many people that I work with that are highly intellectual people, really driven in mind. is both their greatest gift and their worst enemy sometimes. and It's...
Mark: it's really cool to kind of like dilute that intensity and and the energy around that so they can really get back to that intellect the the root of what their power is and let that um that overdrive of thought kind of slip away so things are clearer at some Yeah, I really like to see the impact of that. And it's it's so tangible for the person. It's it's surreal. Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. it just it's brought a whole new level of trust to my life that maybe be the overthinking me um wasn't so good at because i would not good at you know just allowing to surrender to things and i would have to think my way out of everything and i don't get it right every time and you always like call me out on it when you see it and and then it's good it's a little reminder but i want to know your journey right so like thank you for explaining that so that people understand you know that that world but
Mark: Yeah.
Mark: Okay.
Luisa Hogan: ah your journey you've you've come from that corporate background coal mines corporate boardrooms you were saying earlier you were in a corporate boardroom yesterday you know so it's like a completely different world
Mark: Yeah.
Mark: Yeah.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: you know were you at was there a time that you were living in that flat 2d world and what was the first thing that you started doing to shift out of it and what was your journey to to get to where you are now because to me it's such a huge contrast you know that
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: from that world to living the way that you do now and and doing the things that you do.
Mark: Yeah, it is as i guess it's pretty unique my my journey um i was brought up with the whole concept that the 2d aspect was everything and anything that like we should focus all our energy in that in that realm like how do i get forward how do i elevate um and i was very much subscribe to that mentality.
Mark: But it wasn't until I was like 19, I had this. life -changing energy healing and it really kind of cracked me open and and so i continued on that path you know i was i worked in underground coal mines for um over 10 years i worked in construction and then through program project management into general management and then in corporate which i'm i'm in now I've also had a few of my own businesses along the way.
Mark: but uh my extracurricular activity was always at night like when i when i got home i was like reading books and doing courses all about this kind of work and whether it's reiki shamanism crystal healing it could be anything um i just was so fascinated by it and it's um it was this other element that I wanted to kind of nurture that was within me. So I've got like my brain going like high intensity. boardrooms like you said and businesses
Mark: But then there's this other part of me that is really guided and and grounded in spirituality. and And I think they kind of speak to each other in a lot of respects. when the opportunity presents itself clearly. but um Yeah, it's definitely been a journey and and I kind of do my corporate job now and I come home and I do.
Mark: healings and psychic readings and things like that. in the evenings is it's quite taxing but i absolutely love it and Big credit to my wife for just being so supportive on the journey as well because it hasn't always been easy doing. all that work and and exploration. uh for myself and Yeah.
Mark: It's crazy.
Luisa Hogan: yeah Yeah. what an amazing journey and i love because i i feel like this is where i'm I feel akin to you in many ways. It's like, you know, doing my business working with corporates working with corporate clients and then you know any free time I've got I'm reading up on the spirituality stuff and I feel like I'm you know on a little bit of that journey myself now right so it's that's
Mark: Hmm.
Luisa Hogan: I think the world, so many more people are doing that now, right? And I think
Mark: Definitely.
Luisa Hogan: there are going to be people listening to this podcast who know nothing about it and there's going to be people on this podcast going yeah well you know that's what we do we just don't talk about it so much right so are you finding a shift in people who you know are more aware of you know
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: coming out of that 2D world. and knowing more about their spirituality and meaning behind why they do things.
Mark: Definitely. Yeah, it's... it's Funny because I... We're standing in the office yesterday and I heard somebody mention like manifestation. And I was like, oh, that was really interesting to hear that in a corporate like.
Luisa Hogan: okay
Mark: the top level of a corporate building.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Mark: and um and i don't know just people it's just phrases and terms things that probably weren't as socially acceptable but Yeah. As you said, I feel like.
Mark: the the the pendulum is kind of shifting to the other side and people are breaking open they're seeing through a lot of the old narrative that we were all subscribed to you know, and they.
Mark: are kind of questioning you know what value does this really bring and and i think the the story is becoming quite old in the sense that people are becoming successful and feeling empty or numb or not having really attain that internal peace which is above all things where people should really be striving for. but that clarity is just kind of revealing itself and i guess that's like a big part of my work is helping remove those layers and seeing you know seeing your soul hearing your soul and and um and letting it speak. so
Mark: Yeah, it's definitely becoming more prevalent.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Mark: and and i'm i'm here for it i love it it's it's good to hear
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Me too. It's so good. I've, you know, ah love meeting people and i love connecting with people. And suddenly they say to him, like my ears prick up. I'm like. you know about that and then you know suddenly you've made this new best friend right so i absolutely love that people are coming to that but to those people who who, you know.
Mark: awesome
Luisa Hogan: i i I hate to use this example, you know, the CFO who's sitting listening to this podcast right now who may not know. anything about this world. um You know, what are the signs for them?
Luisa Hogan: that they may be you know. and in a little bit more detail because i think you've explained it but i want to dive into it like signs for them that they may be experiencing a 2d world and how what is the first thing that you suggest to them
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: to start connecting with a new layer because we You can't throw somebody into the deep end and, like, throw them through and now now you've got five layers and there you are.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: I mean, even with me, I've done a lot of reading and we're still working on that together, right? You and I are still working through that.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: So what's the first thing that they can do to recognise that they're in a 2D world? and how they can start dipping their toe into exploring a whole new dimension for themselves.
Mark: Yeah. i think the first thing that is really important to set from the get -go is that it's a never -ending journey at like self -exploration is the The journey with no end. and um but it has the greatest rewards of you. on that journey. so I think just do.
Mark: a really basic inventory of what is important to you what is truly important to you right now um you know particularly if you're a you are a cfo or you are at the top of your game and you're feeling like you know Peace.
Mark: isn't. fulfilling me this isn't giving me what i thought it would give me yeah i've got the car and the house and things like that um but i don't feel like everything settled in and i i think of A lot of my clients that I get are at this stage where you know they've got all the things that they've ever dreamt of but they are kind of at this point where they're like I don't know what is next and I ah don't like where I'm at or it doesn't feel good. and um
Mark: particularly when parenting is an aspect of this it's almost like if you ask the parent would they be willing to do some soul searching and some healing. and you know they're willing to die for their children.
Mark: I think every parent would.
Luisa Hogan: of
Mark: But then when you ask them about that, it's more like the cure is more is worse than the disease kind of kind of situation.
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Mark: And it's it's really a hard thing for people to do. so I you have to be very gentle in it and I think naturally you'll feel this bubbling up under the surface kind of bringing these questions to mind.
Mark: And that's when you've just got to kind of stop and give yourself some space to breathe. Maybe try a meditation, maybe booking a session with someone like me or anyone. But. it's just really about stepping back and observing what truly has meaning to you in your life right now and then evaluating what everything else was for. Did it bring you what you wanted or is it taking you away from that?
Mark: um it's it's gonna it's kind of hard to articulate how Yeah, it is a degree of and intuitiveness that you need to tap into and just sitting there and being really honest. And it's a hard thing to do because I guess like for me, I was like 26 and I was in a really good position. I had property, I had a nice car, like a good job, all these things.
Mark: um And I was absolutely but miserable and I was still studying spirituality at night, but it hadn't quite clicked to me that I needed to really be honest with myself. and It took stepping away and like...
Mark: just doing that inventory. and and going within a little bit. think that's one of the really cool things about being on this journey in reading as much as I have is that every holy scripture says that it's already within you that that god is already within you And. um And I think that is literally your soul's trying to speak. So you just got to give it that space and be really honest with yourself and let it let it tell you what you need to hear.
Luisa Hogan: yeah it's it's so true and i'll i'll give an ex mark said you know work with somebody like him i can attest to this because um I've already spoken on this podcast. I'm going to give an example, Mark, of exactly what happened with me. um and That explains what you just explained.
Luisa Hogan: I've spoken on this podcast about my my other business, Whispering Thread, that I'd started with my sister a couple of years ago. Award -winning business. By all intents and purposes like doing great and I knew why I wanted to do it it wasn't my passion it wasn't my passion i wanted to set it up with my sister so that you know she she she could build a business for her.
Luisa Hogan: and it was really interesting because i was so driven to make that work and i was working really hard and um it was doing well then things came up that made that business harder the u .s tariffs knocked out 60 of our market with that business and i started putting things in place like to do world right started putting things in place what do i need to do okay this is the pro the strategy that i need to do to put that in place and working with mark
Luisa Hogan: started bubbling up all of this stuff. very quickly that wouldn't have happened if I hadn't worked with Mark. around this is actually not what I want to do and I can keep doing this and you know I'm going to push really hard but it's not my passion and it's not what I want to do and I started questioning why am I doing this And it was in that moment, in those discoveries through my healing with Mark that came up that's like, no, I actually don't need. to be doing this it's not what i want to be doing
Luisa Hogan: and and there are better ways for me to solve the problems that i was trying to solve by starting that business and it's so funny because the moment i made that decision and and i made that decision maybe like a day after a session with mark i made that decision the whole world changed the day i made that decision my my 10 year old business started to get far more opportunities. it's It's like, it's mad. Like money started coming in for that business. Opportunities started opening up for me again because I sort of put it in a parking spot.
Luisa Hogan: right like i i'll just leave that for a minute i'm i'm working on it but i'm not i'm focusing on this other one and then the minute i did it it's like all these opportunities the strategy came into place all of these amazing is as lighting me up it's lining up my soul because i'm doing what i love
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Again, but even more so. And it's it's crazy because I would not have gone through that whole process if it weren't for Mark. every fortnight going through that helping me and bringing his his um work to me and making that happen a lot faster so sorry to hijack your podcast a little bit mark but i wanted to give that example of exactly what you're talking about and how it manifested in me
Mark: of
Mark: that's
Mark: Yeah. No, that's very kind and honestly like I think anyone that... operates in the healing space knows that they are simply like a conduit for source they they never actually conduct the healing they just kind of create the environment
Luisa Hogan: him
Mark: and and work with the energy to help it happen and it's it's really credit to the people that are willing to do the work to get to that level and and i think with you specifically in that occasion it was really just a shift of focus and energy.
Mark: um evidently that really just lit the path. kind of for you and and and you're not the first person to say that like after ah a couple of healings seeing a really transformative shift um sometimes it's not a positive one in the first incidence, but it...
Mark: it creates the path that they needed and and let's go it kind of breaks away the things that were holding on to that might have been in their way so um it happens in mysterious ways but it always happens for the best reason so even if it's not
Luisa Hogan: us Yeah. Yeah.
Mark: evident right then and there but um
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Mark: Yeah, it's it's cool.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Mark: And I'm glad I had that impact. That's so cool.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: and like you say it wasn't easy it wasn't like oh you know it it happened very quickly but at the same time there were tears there was lots of discussions with my sister about what was right what we're going to do lots of really open conversations together about what that looked like and that you know there was that period of like this is really hard decision and also fear like what's people gonna think of me winding up a business that's award -winning do i look like a failure and you're dealing with all of those things but
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Old me 10 years ago would have had a complete meltdown over that. And just going through this process and connecting with that internal, you know, and and going through that was a completely different experience for me, which was amazing.
Mark: Yeah, needed.
Luisa Hogan: And amazing that you do that.
Mark: Yeah, you did so well going through it so quickly as well.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah.
Mark: I think that's the thing where people get caught up the most is like, what will people think?
Luisa Hogan: yeah
Mark: Am I a failure? Am I this? Am I that? Reality is we are. only what we make ourselves and the best thing we can do is just be honest and be who we are and everything else will kind of work out from there so i i yeah credit to you as it was cool seeing that all unravel so quickly yeah
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. Yeah.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: So tell me a little bit more about what else you can help. like this this helps people with right so it does help people like i'm giving some examples of how it's helped me what else do you see in this world that you know exploring these new dimensions for themselves helps them you know potentially in their business let's talk about specifically in business we've talked about how it helps intuition and helping that second voice what else do you see in your clients
Mark: Yeah, I think with business specifically, I think it comes back to that comment I made earlier, it really clears all the noise and and helps you make decisions from a higher place, from a more aligned place. and um you'll hear any intuitive that's worked with the business people say that if you can make an aligned choice thiss where it's always going to be one that serves you the best and whether that's by revenue or putting you on the best path um It tends to be.
Mark: like extremely true even surprisingly so for me and my experience doing this for a few years now um but but i guess i'm i am tending to attract the a lot of people that have had a similar journey to my own like they're progressing through that to to the growth kind of element without any respect for the um energetic component and just by as i said like removing those those veils those energetic layers and really getting them in in a state of alignment, it's it's been...
Mark: incredible for people that are you know dealing with things for their kids or whether it's their own like identity shifts is ah is a really big one and I think that's understated in so many ways whether it's um for business or parenting or relationships whatever it might be but identity is is a really big one um Bye -bye. Honestly, it's tapping into all the people that i work with all around the world the uk the us
Mark: It's just amazing to see that it can help someone. come back to Senna and just... you know move forward in the most aligned way and that's just like the most common thread throughout it all but i i guess like as we were saying earlier it's this bubbling up it's this questioning that where we're constantly getting that's kind of driving you to to see someone like me or make a change and start to be honest with yourself and step into spirituality and it doesn't need to be meditating every day it could be something really small but um
Mark: I think any practice is a good practice so long as it has the right intention and that's just to bring you back to yourself. So, yeah. My big advocate for it.
Luisa Hogan: Awesome. Awesome. I love it. So. final last question and i'm talking to the entrepreneur you who's you know because people on entrepreneurs they come here i want to know how other people are making it how what what trials and tribulations are they going through because they somebody listening to this will resonate with you and you know resonate with your journey they may be going through that transition of you know started out in corporate 2d world want to transition to something
Luisa Hogan: so far different but are afraid to tell us about your journey and what's driving you out of that 2d into that you know all the new dimensions for you and you know
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Where are you still living in 2D? What's holding you back? What's driving you? What's what's keeping you going?
Mark: Yeah. i think um So I did try like doing just healings. um just for a couple of weeks. I took some time off last year. And I absolutely loved it. and But I found at the end of the two weeks, I really still had that drive within me to exercise my intellect in a different way.
Mark: and um And so I... you know i still experiment with businesses i've created apps like i think um know about one of my apps that helps people tap into their intuition. um And you know I'm building more apps now and helping other people with their businesses. and and yeah i just i love that whole element i love to create like i i think that's the biggest part of it and why it's so akin like spirituality so akin to
Mark: creativity in that corporate side is because I just love to develop things and see ideas come into fruition. and to me they yeah it speaks to each other so it's nurturing that that huge component and and that major value for me of creativity and creation um whether it's seeing somebody move through.
Mark: you know a difficult time into becoming more aligned and moving forward on their path and seeing that eventuate and bearing fruit for them. And then whether it's an idea I have that I can bring to life, whether it's through a business or an app.
Mark: um And likewise with corporate, you know, it's... some but As I mentioned before you jumped online, like it's hard to influence some of the the process, but I like to be at that upper level so I can kind of influence how things get done, you know developing those processes and and being part of that journey.
Mark: um and and to me all of that is really my number one value is like creation and creativity so i just love being part of it and and i just want to feed it as much as i can and exercise it while i've still got the energy and um Yeah, just... I...
Mark: you know when I come I had a big day like in a corporate boardroom as we mentioned for three hours yesterday and then i um i come home and i jump online with somebody i think yesterday was the uk um and do a healing for that person is you know it's the worlds couldn't be more different but I absolutely love it.
Mark: so i just want to keep doing it I guess it's as simple as that but I do I do envisage one day that I will drop the corporate side and I will focus more on
Luisa Hogan: and Yeah.
Mark: one business and um and probably do some healings. but Yeah. Till then. I'm um um' pretty well spread out at the moment.
Luisa Hogan: Happy. Happy. Yeah, I would say you are well spread out and, like, you know, I get what you mean, you know, you want to, you know. push that intellect a thing and like i think if you're an intro and i feel like you are a little bit of an intro you got that int entrepreneurial spirit when you're building something you know you are going to use your intellect all the time with that so i think
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: keep doing what you're doing because I think you're amazing. the world needs the more people in the world need to know about you and the work that you do because I think it's it's awesome.
Mark: Thank you.
Luisa Hogan: And yeah.
Mark: Thank you so much.
Luisa Hogan: I keep doing what you're doing. So where can people find you? If people want to go, okay, this works for Lou. It's going to work for me. Where can they find you? How can they connect with you?
Mark: Yeah, just some mock zen. dot com i think is the website yeah markzan .com and then on socials they handle his marks and healing and that's facebook and instagram um But yeah, I'll...
Luisa Hogan: awesome
Mark: you'll see me around i guess
Luisa Hogan: Yeah, I'll pop that all in the show notes so that you can follow those links to Mark.
Mark: Thank you. Thank you so much.
Luisa Hogan: um Go follow him and you'll also check him out surfing on his on his Instagram. I love that because he always look he's living the Zen life.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: I love it. He's out there living the Zen life.
Mark: ah
Luisa Hogan: But so thank you so much mark so much, Mark.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: I appreciate you joining me today. I love your wisdom.
Mark: Thank you.
Luisa Hogan: I love what you're bringing to the world. And I really recommend to everybody listening, I really recommend that you connect with Mark, even if it's to explore what it means.
Luisa Hogan: If you if this has just you know made you a little bit curious, what does this even mean? You're still a little bit in the dark about what what is energy healing.
Mark: Yeah.
Luisa Hogan: Connect with him. He is so approachable and so lovely to work with. You will not regret it, even if it's just to find out more. So thank you, Mark.
Mark: Yeah, thank you. Definitely hit me up. Happy to answer any questions. And um yeah, credit to you, Louisa.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah.
Mark: Thank you so much for having me on. And thank you for committing to doing the work as well. It's incredible.
Luisa Hogan: Yeah. No thank you. And everyone. the map that most of us are leading from was never the terrain and the person who tells you that is usually someone who's already watched you walk the edge of it so make sure that you start exploring a little bit more than your little 2d map because i promise you There is so much more out there. And when you start connecting to all of those layers, the world will open up for you. Thank you for joining us until next time. Take care.
