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Episode 42: WWE's Evolution & Derrick Attends AAW Pro Wrestling's Dia De Los Luchadores
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Join the boys on the couch as they chat WWE's Evolution, Joey Janela, Onita vs Terry Funk in a no ropes barbed wire exploding ring time bomb match, Derrick's recent trip to AAW's Dia De Los Luchadors show and more!
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Introduction and Hockey Talk
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, a man who's going to have to take my gloat in only this one time that the Blues beat the Blackhawks. Derek Halpin. I think they're tied and getting points, but yeah, you did a good job last game, finally.
00:00:20
Speaker
I was shocked. I wasn't even watching. That's kind of where I am at with the Blues this year. I don't think they're doing too well in the conference. Again, people are like, why are they talking about hockey to open the episode? But here we are. Well, it had to happen eventually. I was shocked to see that we had beat you. But you know what we can do? We can go ahead and hit that goddamn music and stop talking about hockey.
Pro Wrestling Week Recap
00:01:19
Speaker
So once again, it's been a pretty eventful week for us in the world of pro wrestling. I don't even know where you would like to start this damn thing. Well, I would love it if everybody listening right now started by rate reviewing and subscribing. Hop on the iTunes, write us a lovely review, and then we will watch literally anything you want. If you wanted Derek to watch StrangleMania, the ICP thing, this is the way to do that.
00:01:47
Speaker
Listen, if you're listening to this podcast and you haven't given us a rating on iTunes, come on. Now's the best time to do it. We're begging you. Get on there. Give us those five stars. Leave us a nice review. Tell us what you love about the show. We would appreciate it. And like Garrett said, you can request anything pro wrestling related and we'll watch it. It can be the worst thing in the world. It could be the best thing.
00:02:09
Speaker
You don't even have to, you can pick something at random. You don't even have to know what the hell it is that you're requesting. You can just point and click somewhere on the network and we're forced to watch it and you don't have to. You could completely ruin this show for us by just suggesting the most boring, you know, just a match that went too long even. You can make us suffer and tell you about it so you don't have to.
Nostalgia and 'Ready to Rumble'
00:02:31
Speaker
You know, I honestly, it's been so long since I've watched Ready to Rumble, the David Arquette movie. I'm hoping that somebody requests that we watch that and talk about it. I would like a Ready to Rumble episode. Jesus Christ. Have you watched it recently? Yeah, like within the last six months. Well, even more reason for you guys to request that. I saw that it was on HBO Go and the main thing I got out of that movie was I owe my dad an apology.
00:03:01
Speaker
He had to work the next day. He drove me to another town to go see it opening night. And he sat through a David Arquette movie that actually, you know what? Maybe that should be the next thing is when we're home for Christmas, we record an audio commentary for ready to rumble with my dad. That would be really, really funny.
00:03:22
Speaker
Now I really wanna
WCW Hall of Fame Jokes
00:03:23
Speaker
do that. See, so I was having a conversation with one of my coworkers the other day. I mean, we're discussing potential future WWE Hall of Famers that wrestled in WCW. And we were going back and forth recommending this guy, that guy, this group, that group. And there was a pause and then I made the joke, I said, Jimmy King. And he hesitated for a second and he looked at me and then he just started laughing.
00:03:48
Speaker
Cause he got it. And I didn't know if he would get it or not, but if you've seen Ready to Rumble, you will get that joke. Do you think that it was somebody watching that doomsday hell in a cell whatever the fuck match that led to that triple tear cage?
00:04:04
Speaker
That's just such a WCW idea. Like, to me, that doesn't even need inspiration. This seems like that's something that if you just wait long enough, they would have cranked out another one of those ideas. It looks like a wedding cake of pain. Who wouldn't love it? Can you do your dusty impersonation one more time? Because people really loved your dusty Rhodes impersonation.
00:04:25
Speaker
Well, what do I need to talk about? I want you to do an impersonation of Dusty Rhodes convincing everyone on the booking team and everyone in production that the steel cage from this doomsday steel cage match shouldn't be over the ring, it should be on the stage. You know, what's better, baby, than just one ring? You got two rings, you put one over here, you put three cages on top, that's three cages of pain, baby, three cages.
00:04:52
Speaker
I'm still really excited for the day. We get to do that for a whole episode. I think Queen of the Rings suggested that at some point we need to have John Laurinitis and Dusty Rhodes host the show. I mean, we can make that happen right now if you want. You want to break down evolution as these two guys? I don't know. Well, I think my daughter. Having my daughter on the show was a complete and total honor.
00:05:22
Speaker
Well, I mean, it wasn't your real daughter. I mean, see, did you adopt her? It's on a reality TV show. God, it's hard to get worked up. I'm not just talking about regular wrestling. I lose Dusty immediately.
00:05:39
Speaker
When we have to have a normal conversation, it breaks down pretty quick. But speaking of breaking down, we got a lot of shit to break down for this episode, man.
Joey Janela's Spring Break Plans
00:05:47
Speaker
I guess you just watched a pretty intense match before we started this podcast. You texted me that you were watching something that got brought up on Joey Janela podcast. Is that what I understood?
00:05:57
Speaker
Well, so today the tickets went on sale to Joey Janela Spring Break 3. Which this year, I mean last year it was in a pretty big venue. Lot of people there, that thing sold out. He sold out a lot of fucking seats. This time around it's in a smaller place and they said to expect an immediate sellout. Is that what you got?
00:06:17
Speaker
it is i mean i ended up getting tickets but i didn't realize until i got off how hard it actually was to get them where where is it where is it this this coming year it's in new jersey so this one then this year um fuck i'd have to look it up it was
00:06:35
Speaker
I
WrestleMania Logistics and Video Diaries
00:06:36
Speaker
mean, it honestly might be a Legion Hall or something. No, okay. But this year is gonna be kind of a pain in the ass for Mania, because I know all of WrestleCon shows are gonna be in New York City, and it seems like all the other shit is gonna be in New Jersey. Oh, that's gonna be a pain in the ass. So you're not really gonna be able to, you're kind of gonna have to pick something. You're not gonna be able to bounce back and forth, I don't think. I think that was one of the things Queen of the Ring was talking about during all-in weekend, is that she was anticipating
00:07:03
Speaker
people are gonna have to take a train to get over to New Jersey and back and forth. I was kind of thinking, I'm like, I don't know, do I really want to do Mania this year? It's gonna be outside, it's gonna be cold, everybody keeps telling me how hard it's gonna be to get there and back. But then I started realizing, I think my pain of what, you know, the journey is what I have to, I have to relay, I have to tell you how hard it was to get there. That's part of the story. So, yeah, I'll go.
00:07:33
Speaker
I think like you have you have that the GoPro man you need to do more video diaries people want to see your struggle that's true I never know I never know where I can take that in though I always feel like it's gonna get taken away from me well fuck you're not using it even if it gets taken away from you it's gonna get you as much action as it is now and if they're trying to take it away just keister it
00:07:57
Speaker
shove it up your ass. So the next show, the Joey Janela show is at White Eagle Hall in Jersey City, New Jersey.
Greg's WrestleMania Weekend Antics
00:08:07
Speaker
And it did sell out immediately. There's only one name listed and it is Oneida.
00:08:14
Speaker
You know a bunch of people going to this show, don't you? Let's see, Queen of the Ring and Kayla from Music City Horror are gonna be going with us. I know our buddy Rand is gonna be there. Let's see, I think Metal Dave and his buddy Justin and Greg are going. Greg is going to be there, Derek.
00:08:36
Speaker
I'm kind of jealous that you get to see Greg at Joey Janela's spring break. So if you don't know who Greg is, you need to get back, hit the archives or whatever you want to call him, find the episode that we did about GCW where we attended with our buddy Metal Dave. He was with his buddies Justin and Greg and Greg was horrified.
00:08:59
Speaker
I mean, as we all were, but Greg was probably the most vocal about how how afraid and how much he hated everything. Yeah, Greg was definitely the most skeptical about what we were doing there. We were in the back of a Foreman Mills watching deathmatch wrestling and Greg was not a fan of anybody on that show. Well, I have a goal for Mania Weekend now, and this is something I just kind of realized I need today. Yeah. Do you think there's any way
00:09:26
Speaker
We set up an interview with Nick Gage, Mania Weekend, but have Greg do the interview?
00:09:34
Speaker
What's more likely that or your dad doing commentary with us for ready to rumble? I don't think either very good odds. I think and if we talked to Nick Gage and maybe slide him some money under the table and just say here's the deal you're gonna be interviewing this guy he's really scared of you. These are all the things you're gonna have to do and you know what we'll pay you extra if mid-interview you blade.
00:10:01
Speaker
So you were saying, you were listening to something with Joey Janela, and that was inspired by you getting tickets to Joey Janela's Spring Break, but something came up about this match you wanted to watch?
Oneida's Wrestling Legacy
00:10:11
Speaker
Oh, yes. He was on Stone Cold's podcast a few weeks ago, and I just finally got around to listening to it, and today they announced Oneida. And Oneida is the founder of a company called FMW, which was founded in 1989. It's Frontier Martial Arts Wrestling, and it is
00:10:30
Speaker
kind of like martial arts, shoot fighting, and ECW rolled into one thing. And Joey Janela said that a big inspiration for him was watching, you know, Oneida and Terry Funk do this exploding barbed wire match.
00:10:48
Speaker
Barbed wire does not explode naturally. Not on its own. I'm not a scientist. But in Japan, I guess it does. I've seen a lot of pictures of him coming out in a leather jacket, smoking a cigarette, looking cool as hell. And he comes out to the song Wild Thing. That seems like a heavy inspiration for Joey Janela.
00:11:13
Speaker
Yes, I hope actually what came first the movie Major League or O'Nita 1989 this would run the same time so maybe him and Ricky the wild thing Vaughn You know just great minds think alike, but I watched this exploding barbed wire match and there was an extra stipulation onto it that I did not see I
00:11:38
Speaker
When I clicked the video, I had no idea 5 minutes to go into this thing. A timer comes onto the bottom of the screen and is making just a very obscene noise. And counting down from 5 minutes. Was it like the noise that your TV makes when there's a tornado warning?
00:11:53
Speaker
Yes. Oh, that's horrifying. But why is it like I was like, what the hell? I should have read more into this match. Yeah, it turned out you had up until when the timer goes off, explosions are going to go off all around the ring. So it's a time bomb match.
00:12:11
Speaker
So there's no ropes, just barbed wire, and shit hooked up to the barbed wire that when you get thrown into it, it explodes. And I'll tell ya, this is maybe one of the best stories that can be told in a hardcore match. I wanna go to an exploding time bomb match. Well, what if Joey Janela's plan all along for Spring Break 3 was for him to have an exploding barbed wire match against Donita? And now he can't.
00:12:41
Speaker
Are you hoping for that? I don't know. Because I watched you try to run away from exploding light tubes. Yeah, but this time I'm sitting second row. Oh, so much safer. On a stage. So I'm like elevated and. Until you get in there and then Queen of the Ring has to hold you back.
00:13:02
Speaker
but what does Gary you know we are on the stage so we're gonna be where everybody's entering through so now Nick Gage is gonna be closer to me again I don't know you got pretty close to Nick Gage in the past yeah I high-fived him because I wanted him to know we were on the same team you didn't want to make an enemy out of Nick Gage but in this this barbed wire explosion match it was onita versus Terry Funk
00:13:24
Speaker
and onita was the first to go straight into those things and i didn't know what the explosion was going to look like it looks like it sucks i mean legit i mean legit or was it just like a pussy like whatever
00:13:38
Speaker
Well put it this way, he had black burn marks on his back from where he hit. Oh my god! And it was, ugh, I mean he's just getting torn up by the barbed wire. He's getting thrown into that. At one point he gets thrown out. He gets thrown into it so hard that it explodes, but he also falls backwards and it looked like he had just cut his goddamn finger off. He was really babying that finger the rest of the time, but...
00:14:03
Speaker
You know, when that's the thing that you're like, oh, the finger is what's getting me, not all of the burn marks on my back. You're not the muscle tissue hanging out. But it's like, I can visually see this. This sucks. We've seen muscle muscle tissue before, though. That you should be numb to that.
00:14:19
Speaker
Yeah, but when you add the extra explosion to it, that's a little, and the crowd was going nuts during this thing. This crowd, way different than the New Japan crowd. They're singing wild thing when he comes out. They're ready for gore. Who are these fans? But there was a moment in it where Terry Funk had gotten thrown into the barbed wire for the first time, and he was really stumbly, and the drama was coming from, is he gonna stumble head first into exploding barbed wire? It didn't happen though, did it?
00:14:49
Speaker
No, but I thought it was nice of O needed to go ahead and just give him a DDT He could have done so much worse when he was out on his feet. You could you could kill a man That's quite the favor, but the match ends where there's like a minute left Oh, I should mention the the ref is basically dressed like shredder. Oh
00:15:08
Speaker
Like he's got the armor and everything on? Oh, he is like in a picture if you combined a beekeeper's costume with master shredder and a Darth helmet from Spaceballs.
00:15:24
Speaker
That is the referee in this match. He is prepared to not get burned. Is he like Shockmaster's cousin who's a ref? Yes, and he does get his head knocked off at one point. There's like 30 seconds left in this match. The ref is powdered. Terry Funk has lost. He's in the middle of the ring. Onit is leaving, and then he decides, I'm not gonna let my buddy explode in this ring.
00:15:48
Speaker
so he goes in to save him but that time's clicked counting down man he's not gonna make it out in time so he just jumps on top of terry funk and shields him from the massive explosion that goes on around every corner of the ring
00:16:05
Speaker
And then after it's over, he cuts a promo and Onita's crying and just giving like a really, just a fierce fucking promo. And I have no idea what he's saying. So all I can think of him saying is like, it really, really hurts. Everything hurts.
Oneida's Political Career
00:16:23
Speaker
It's not fake. Everybody said it was fake. It's not fake.
00:16:31
Speaker
But yeah, I guess go check that out on YouTube. It says it's like a half hour, but at the end of it, when they stand up, this really just like dramatic 80s action movie guitar starts. Like, you know, the explosions happen and your heroes are just walking out of the smoke behind them in slow motion. And there's just this wailing guitar. It is set up like an 80s action movie. And I think I love it. I guess that's my thing now. More exploding time bomb matches.
00:17:00
Speaker
But just, can I tell you just a tiny little bit about Oneida real quick? Well, you're not just telling me. We do have an audience. Oh, fuck. I forgot. This was just for you. Never mind. No, go ahead. So Oneida is a politician now. Like, like in real life.
00:17:20
Speaker
Yes. In 2001, he won the 19th House of Counselors election as a representative of the Liberal Democratic Party.
00:17:34
Speaker
Well, that's quite a career change. I mean, I guess Jesse the body made that made that transition. That's true. But one of his first major acts in office was to launch a post 9-11 humanitarian mission to Afghanistan, where he I'm reading this all off Wikipedia, by the way, where he performed professional wrestling matches and crudely constructed rings made of sticks and rope to benefit the children.
00:18:02
Speaker
9-11 happens, he's a politician, and he's like, I got it. Wrestling. And they're like, well, what did you think was going to happen? You elected a wrestler. The only way he knew how to finish this was with a match. Yeah. And then also just all of our issues. Yeah. I mean, you and I, if we ever have to do the exploding barbed wire match, that is going to be pathetic.
Sponsoring a Wrestling Match
00:18:27
Speaker
Could we do that? Could we have our exploding barbed wire match when we have our handicap match against one Craig Mitchell? Ooh. He wants it. He does. So we are sponsoring the match with Craig Mitchell at Southern Underground Pro. This is starting to become more real. I've said a lot of mean things about Craig, and I realize I'm soon going to be in close quarters with Craig. You're going to have to account for your Craig hate.
00:18:57
Speaker
Yeah, I never really considered that my words have consequences. Man to man.
00:19:05
Speaker
Explode in barbed wire. I think the only thing I have going for me is if we've learned anything from Southern Underground Pro, Craig Mitchell is very afraid of knives. Do you own a knife? And let's face it, barbed wire is like many little knives. Do you own a knife though? I mean, are you a knife owner? I have a kitchen, so there's some in there. A steak knife, I guess that counts. I mean, anything stabby works.
00:19:34
Speaker
That being said, I will not stab Craig Mitchell. I wanna go ahead and set the record straight right now. We're actually, we're fans of Craig Mitchell. I think we need to let that be known. Or are you standing by your Craig hate? I feel like Craig and I should discuss this on the podcast. Yeah, I agree. We can work this out. But we went out of our way to sponsor a match at Southern Underground Pro with Craig Mitchell in it, so.
00:19:58
Speaker
You win some. Oh, man. Yeah, he's got what is his name? Donovan Allen. I think I know his name is Donovan Allen on Twitter. Donovan Danhausen, I believe is his name. He always comes out with a spike in his mouth and he comes out in a, you know, a plastic sheet like in Nightmare Before or not Nightmare Before Christmas, Nightmare on Elm Street. So he's covered in blood. I feel like Craig Mitchell is going to be real freaked out by that.
00:20:23
Speaker
I hope he's not. He's representing the other guys. Wesleyan's a fucking scary clown. So the odds are stacked against him. It is. This is his Halloween right now, man. And here he's repping our pod.
00:20:36
Speaker
Can I just real quick to wrap up the Oneida thing? This is important. It says that Oneida claims he slept with 20,000 women and his exit from politics was forced by a sex scandal in which he was alleged to have used government accommodations to host a threesome with pornographic film actresses. Are you jealous? I just think he's fucking cool.
00:21:04
Speaker
Clearly. He's like, you know how we're going to fix everything? Wrestling. I'm going to go bang over here and then wear my leather jacket and I'll be at spring break three. Government sponsored. Fix the cigarette at the camera. That's quite the vacation. And there is a DS game called, um, Oneida's Political Quiz.
00:21:24
Speaker
So if you've got a DS, yeah. Come on, man. Well, that to me is way more interesting than him having like a fucking porn star bang fest. You think it's more unusual? Well, yeah, I mean, the guy in the leather jacket, of course, would have a DS game and you're not talking more about that. I don't have any more information on that. I can pull up a YouTube clip of that and let's review that. Well, you can get it. Japanese political quiz game. I feel like we're going.
00:21:53
Speaker
Request that! If you're listening to our show, go find Oneida's Nintendo DS game, find some footage of it, request it after you leave a review.
00:22:04
Speaker
Make your- Oneida, he barbed wire explodes the competition. That would actually make a great game show where he's the host. They should get together all of the political people and all the political wrestlers and have a match. You know, Kane's used to the Inferno match, but I don't think he's ready for what's going to happen in this thing. If The Rock runs for president, he can be involved. Jesse Ventura. Oneida.
00:22:29
Speaker
You went to some fucking wrestling this weekend.
Recap of AAW's Dia De Los Luchadores
00:22:32
Speaker
I did go to some fucking wrestling this past weekend and I went to some fucking wrestling that was Halloween themed. If I don't mind my saying so. Yeah, I guess you don't.
00:22:45
Speaker
I went to AAW's Dia De Los Luchadores this past Friday. Damn good show. I had a lot of fun. I took my girlfriend Megan. We sat just a few rows away from the wing away from the wing away from the ring and away from the wing that away from the wing daddy.
00:23:03
Speaker
Man this was a good show man Last you had a stacked card from what I was from what I saw well AAW is doing pretty well for themselves these days But yeah, we got to see a bunch of good stuff had Ray Phoenix in the house. We had Leparka. We had MJF Bandito we had everybody on this card man. We had a title change Remember our buddy Jake something I
00:23:26
Speaker
Yes, I do. I learned a thing. He is ridiculously over. His whole shtick is everyone loves saying something when he asks, what's my name? That's really fun, though. It is. He has something tattooed or not tattooed, but he has something stitched on the back of his tights. That's awesome. So who would you say got the biggest pop of the night? Oh, God.
00:23:56
Speaker
I don't know, man. I mean, it was a predominantly luchador show, right? I mean, because they're in the title. But honestly, when Ace Romero came out, so this guy made his AAW debut, his name's Josh Briggs. He's huge. He's a fucking giant. And he comes out and he squashes Joe Asa in less than 30 seconds. And his finisher is like a chokeslam into a backbreaker.
00:24:21
Speaker
And he just crushes this guy and then he takes the microphone and he says, I came here for a challenge and I'm not leaving until I get one. Well, then AC Baby comes out and he comes out to your love by the outfield. I'm sure you guys know what that song is. And he got one hell of a pop. So I think that's worth mentioning. It may have been the pop of the night, but really, yeah, AC Baby is super over. The crowd was totally into him.
00:24:46
Speaker
Um, but as far as like the best match of the night goes, they had a match between the besties in the world against the Mexico Bloods, which was, um, uh, Flomida and, uh, Bandido. I have, like, the second I hear that those two were in a match, I just, in my head, I'm like, yeah, of course it was the best one of the night. Those guys are fucking crazy. Well, you think that, but man, I mean, it was definitely the best match of the night, and it just kind of showed that,
00:25:13
Speaker
Like the Besties, they have their gimmick. They come out. The music's amazing. They have, first of all, just their entrance. If you haven't seen the Besties, look them up. Amazing entrance. And what is their, they come out to Ace of Base, right? No. I wanna stand with you on a mountain. Yeah, I sang for the sake of the podcast.
00:25:34
Speaker
Yeah, so they come out to some damn good music. They have like some hand gestures that go along with it, some interpretive dance. And no, they just tore it down with the with the Mexibluds. And Mexibluds walked out with a wind mattress about 12 minutes long. Lots of good spots.
00:25:53
Speaker
No, it was fun. I mean, like, they went out of their way, obviously, to book a bunch of luchadores, you know, wearing the masks, fits in with the theme. First of all, it was my first time at 115 Bourbon Street. And I think it's worth mentioning our friend, Metal Dave, was at the show. I got to talk with Metal Dave for a little while. Can you guys send me a picture of both of you giving me the finger? Yeah. Do I got heat with Metal Dave? You got no heat with Metal Dave. You talked him into that?
00:26:22
Speaker
Uh, I think I said, we should take, I told him, I said that we would take a picture together so that you could miss both of us simultaneously. And I was like, so what do you want to do? You just want to pose? You want to flip them off? And he was like, Oh, we're definitely flipping them off. Like he, he signed up for that. So got a picture next to the ring with metal. Dave giving you the bird and another match on this card. Um, Sammy Guevara versus Ray Phoenix.
00:26:50
Speaker
Good God those two are both incredible wrestlers. I didn't realize Sammy's shtick was that he stops in the middle of his matches to sponsor his YouTube page.
00:27:00
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Well, he made sure to point out they told him to stop fucking doing it, but he's ignoring it and he did it anyway. No worries, though. Phoenix got the win. I'm guessing that was just a crazy spot match. Yeah, there was there was a couple of times where like they would stop for a minute and there would be some some back and forth between them. But
00:27:21
Speaker
No, I mean, again, having watched a little bit more of Phoenix lately, like just super fucking talented. The guy bounces off the ropes like no other. Like he's just like he's I've never seen anyone do it the way he does it. Don't you think he would be huge in WWE?
00:27:41
Speaker
What does that mean? I mean, I think he would be huge in WWE for him is like 205 Live, right? Well, I'm meaning just like huge with kids. Like I could see him selling a bunch of masks, T-shirts, action figures. Like he's just so much fun to watch that I know if I were a little, I mean, I love watching him as an adult, but I have to imagine a little kid would just be in love with him because he's just so colorful.
Bourbon Street Wrestling Venue
00:28:03
Speaker
Yeah. No, I think he would do well for himself. Um,
00:28:08
Speaker
How did the venue compare to Logan Square? Well, I love Logan Square and I had talked with Metal Dave because he's been to a ton of AEW shows and I was asking him about the difference between all the venues that they go to and he said that Bourbon Street was his favorite. I can kind of tell why. First of all, Bourbon Street
00:28:30
Speaker
It's this venue, but it's on like a strip mall that's got like a Dollar Tree and a Jewel Oscar attached. Not where I thought it was gonna be. I don't know what I was expecting. I've seen Pro Wrestling at the back of a Foreman Mills and another strip mall, so whatever. But I knew that Bourbon Street was like a, it's a pretty famous bar. It's down in Marionette Park, which is a suburb of Chicago. And it's a famous bar, and the whole theme is that each of these rooms
00:28:59
Speaker
There's the bar has a bunch of different big rooms and each room has a different three theme. There's like a metal bar There's a country bar hip-hop stage all this different stuff and they had the room for a W They had it decorated for Halloween where they had like cobwebs hanging from the ceiling and there's a bar opposite of the ring and the stage and
00:29:20
Speaker
ambience in there was great. They had projectors running in all four corners of the room. They had balconies. So it was a good setting. Crowd was, I mean, the place was packed. Take it to the shows like what, 15 bucks? General admission was 20 bucks.
00:29:36
Speaker
That is, for all the people you got to see for 20 bucks, that's pretty fucking awesome. Right, but you know who I was primarily there to see, right? Oh, you were there to give MJF the finger, right? No. I mean, I was happy to do that for the sake of our podcast, I felt like I had to defend our honor. And I totally did. I sent our host here a picture of me giving MJF the middle finger, and he said nothing in response. I'm afraid of him. No, you're not. You sat right next to him.
00:30:06
Speaker
Yeah, she isn't that scary. And what is he, like 10 years younger than you? Yes. Be a man, Garrett. Be a man, fight a child.
00:30:20
Speaker
Oh, that's so brutal. I was definitely there to see WCW legend, to me, La Parka, performing as L.A. Park. And it's not like I've followed his career a ton over the years. To me, La Parka was always one of my favorite WCW people. Like, to me, he got it. He was funny. They never really did much with him. He was a member of the L.W.O. But man, I'm a La Parka fan. And about once a year, I go on a kick where I pull up a bunch of old La Parka videos on YouTube.
00:30:51
Speaker
Man, so my favorite is the one where that guy tugs on his mask from the crowd and he just turns and shoot punches him right in the mouth. I've been looking for that clip. I tried to show that to Megan the other night at the show to prepare her for what she was about to see and it's like it got pulled down.
00:31:07
Speaker
What's funny is if that's the clip you're like, you gotta see La Parca and you just see him assaulting the crowd and you're like, oh man, La Parca, he's a really scary skeleton then, right? You're like, oh, no, no, no. He mostly dances and plays air guitar on a chair. I don't know. I just the other day pulled up a clip of La Parca versus Goldberg.
00:31:26
Speaker
And the match starts with Goldberg staring him down and tells LaParca, come on, hit me with the chair. And LaParca hits him so fucking hard in the head with the chair. And Goldberg no sells it, but it doesn't bother LaParca and the slightest that he no sold it. He turns around and starts doing that, like, walk. The wobbly leg dance? No, not the wobbly leg dance, like his strut. Like, it's the very rigid, like, Ric Flair strut.
00:31:52
Speaker
But exaggerated. Does he do it with like straight fingers? Like claws a little bit? I don't know how to describe it. It's just very sharp. Like Rick Flair's hands when he struts they kind of stay horizontal. La Parker kind of brings his all the way back up like he's doing a robot.
00:32:09
Speaker
So he smacks Goldberg and they have with this chair. Goldberg just roars and doesn't do anything in the park. It turns around and dances anyway and then catches a spear and gets beat immediately. But good Lord, I didn't know what to expect. I was just happy to be in a match that big. Fuck man. I don't know. It was exciting because it's fucking hell. It's it's fucking the parka man. I'm a little part. Is he is he looking a little chubby? He's a little chubby. I love that. He's putting me love me.
00:32:38
Speaker
I should get I don't know what he's been doing over the last 10 plus years I bet he never quit he's been doing it this whole time wait okay I'm looking at this it looks like he went back to he
00:32:52
Speaker
Damn. Yeah, I mean, there's like a few spots in here where he took some years off, but not long. I mean, he was in CMLL in 2014 and 2015, took a few years off, and then he returned to AAA wrestling this year. So he's kind of on his, he's been off for a few years, but he's back this year.
00:33:12
Speaker
Well, the Indies are blowing up, so it makes sense he's trying to capitalize on it. I mean, there has to be a whole bunch of guys that watched PCO and thought, now's my time. I don't think they're wrong, though. No, they're not. If you've seen his Twitter page, his header is him naked from the neck down in a hot tub, but he's still wearing the La Parca mask. God damn it.
00:33:37
Speaker
It's fucking awesome, but he and MJF were just great together MJF came out being a dick mocking him wearing the mask and I guess I feel like I knew this but I didn't think about it until right when it happened People don't throw streamers at MJF. They throw toilet paper at him
00:33:57
Speaker
probably got hit in the head with a roll of toilet paper and was not happy about it. Proceeded to cut a promo on the crowd and told them to shut the fuck up. Well, he was mad at you guys because you're all fucking poor and threw the rough stuff at him and didn't get the Cottonelle like he's used to. Yeah. Well, there's a Dollar Tree, just a couple of buildings over, so I'm sure people want to have both. That's no excuse. Single play. MJF pays more for toilet paper than you do for your rent.
00:34:26
Speaker
I don't explain why he's a tight ass. I don't know what I was getting at there. I just, MJF's a dick. Oh, but fuck, I posted a bunch of videos and pictures from the other night. It was a good show, had a good time. Did you see the spot that I sent you where LaParca cracks him over the head with a chair? That looked nasty. Yeah, I don't know if MJF was joking, but he had said on Twitter that he got a concussion.
MJF vs La Parka Interaction
00:34:53
Speaker
I mean, when I saw that video, I was a little shocked because I just watched a 52-year-old luchador hit a 22-year-old kid straight in the head with a chair. Was it unprotected? Yeah, I looked like it. Jesus. I don't think LaParca was happy because MJF mocked wiping his ass with the LaParca mess. Oh, yeah. He had that coming. That was a no-no. He considered that a receipt.
00:35:20
Speaker
Did you think it's appropriate that La Parker came out too bad to the bone? God. Because I did. Was that his theme song in WCW? No, he just had like a generic rock sample as his. I mean, it's memorable to me, but to most people, they wouldn't know what the fuck it is. It wasn't like it was a knockoff of Nirvana or anything like Raven and DDP used.
00:35:43
Speaker
How was the women's match? The women's match was pretty good. I mean, this was my first time seeing a lot of these women. I hadn't seen. I've seen Scarlett Bordeaux before, but I hadn't seen Kimberly. I hadn't seen Kylie Rae or Marty Bell. And it was Kylie Rae and Marty Bell against Scarlett Bordeaux and Kimberly. And Scarlett Bordeaux ended up getting Marty Bell to submit after Kimberly and Kylie Rae battled out into the crowd right next to me.
00:36:08
Speaker
And then they disappeared off into the darkness. But now the women killed it. Kylie Rae is super over. And she comes out to the folk and Pokemon theme. How can you hate anybody who does that? Good Lord. But I got to see a title change. They had wrestling. That's the name with no E. It was Eddie Kingston and David Starr.
00:36:34
Speaker
Who I assume is still really good at Twitter? I guess. Did they not did they read his like list of 12 things as he comes to the like when they're announcing him? Yes, they listed all of his nicknames. I just remembered like one of the very last ones and he wants you to he never he wants you to remember that he is very good at Twitter.
00:36:59
Speaker
Um, but, uh, AR Fox and Myron Reed ended up beating these guys for the AAW tag team championships.
00:37:06
Speaker
I've seen AR Fox a couple times. That guy's really good. Wasn't he a PWG regular back in the day? I think he used to be. I don't know if I've ever actually seen him there though. I feel like at this point I only see him, you know, at like WrestleCon shows and things Mania weekend. I haven't seen him wrestle around me very often. I do want to make a note. I didn't realize that, uh, so the stable wrestling
00:37:29
Speaker
It's Jeff Cobb, Trevor Lee, David Starr, and Eddie Kingston. And I didn't know Jeff Cobb was with them until they came out. They had cut a promo earlier in the night because it was Trevor Lee and Jeff Cobb against DJ Z and Trey Miguel. And Trevor Lee was treating Jeff Cobb like he was a bum. And Jeff Cobb is definitely not a bum. Jeff Cobb has the ROH TV title and the PWG championship.
00:37:55
Speaker
And Trevor Lee, I think he still has the Heritage Championship from that show that you and I went to back in, what was that, February? Oh shit, he's held that a long time. Did he do, my favorite move that Trevor Lee does is the double stomp on the chest. Oh yeah. It's brutal. He totally worked that in. Yeah, no, I guess Trevor Lee was giving Jeff Cobb shit because he was the only member of the group that didn't have a title at the time. Was the show sold out?
00:38:23
Speaker
Yeah, I mean all the seating was it was like it the place was pretty packed was it was it smaller than Logan Square? I'm just trying to get a get a visual of what kind of what size building you were in yeah The room that we were in the smaller than Logan Square, and it was dimly lit like Logan Square was like a ballroom wasn't it?
00:38:43
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's actually a ballroom. Yeah, no, this was definitely just a bar with a stage for bands and the wrestlers came out from the stage. That was where like the ramp would have been. But uh, no, but high enough ceilings that they could do high spots and oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it was definitely an awesome environment in there. If you haven't been to an AAW show, if you live in the Chicagoland area,
00:39:05
Speaker
Get out and watch some AAW. They got some good shit going on. They bring in some pretty big names. They've got a lot of good things going there. And they perform, fuck, multiple burbs around the area and in the city. Logan Square Auditorium. But yeah, Bourbon Street was a great venue. Don't worry Garrett, the bathroom situation there was fine. So. Like it was fine? Or it was like, what does that mean? It was fine.
00:39:31
Speaker
I know you worry about there were many urinals, there were some stalls, lots of stickers all over the walls. You would you would have done just fine. It was definitely better than whatever place we saw Ring of Honor the first time. I was so I really like that AAW books women's matches. Yeah, that's something that I keep thinking about. I just don't understand why PWG doesn't.
00:39:56
Speaker
Do they feel like PWG fans aren't into that? They loved Candace, but she was the only female to wrestle there. I don't know why they wouldn't start trying to book, you know, I'm trying to think what females aren't over and I mean, there's obviously plenty, but like, why wouldn't you book like Tessa Blanchard or somebody over there? There's plenty of incredible female wrestlers right now. I don't know why PWG doesn't hop on and take advantage of that. Yeah, that's a terrible phrasing.
00:40:26
Speaker
Yeah, that's weird. But anyways, no, it was a good show. And like I said, if you haven't made it to an AAW show, get on that. I had a lot of fun. 20 bucks. How far outside of the city was it? About an hour. Just under. That's not bad. No, that's not bad. I want to make it up for more AAW. I really also like that they do the season pass thing. Yes. It's the PWG of the Midwest. For sure. That's easily. I mean, at least in Illinois, I don't know if there's a better promotion.
00:40:55
Speaker
There's a bunch of promotions in Illinois, but that's probably the biggest one. I mean, Freelance is right there with them. It's just as far as seeing some of the top names on the endies. You're going to get a lot of them on that show for not that expensive. Yeah, 20 bucks. You can't complain about that.
00:41:14
Speaker
But we also have a fucking enormous important show to talk about next. Do we? What's next? What happened? Oh, that's right. First ever WWE women's pay-per-view.
WWE Women's Pay-Per-View Praise
00:41:26
Speaker
That's what the fuck happened. I mean, this is a contender for pay-per-view of the year as far as WWE is concerned. Absolutely. I mean, if you rule out NXT shows,
00:41:49
Speaker
Yeah, there wasn't a bad match on the card. And the crowd seemed hot. They seemed like they were into it. WWE needs to take notice. Nobody's really complaining about this show. The only thing people were complaining about was the main event before it happened. Right. And even after, I don't think anyone has anything that negative to say about that main event.
00:42:00
Speaker
easily top three, without question.
00:42:11
Speaker
No, but we need to talk about the rest of the show here. Cause like, like we were saying, there wasn't a bad match on this show and the building was packed and they were into, it was just positive vibes, positive vibes all around, which was nice for a show. And, uh, we opened up with the feel good match. We got to see Trish and lead a team up against Alicia Fox and Mickey James with Alexa bliss on the outside, which I guess we could talk about that real quick. Uh, the plan was to have Alexa bliss in this match. And, uh, I guess she suffered a concussion in the last few days.
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's, she had kind of a rough, no, I thought she broke her nose. Did she? I thought it was concussion. Okay, well, one of us is right, maybe. I'm sure if I'm wrong, I'll hear about it. She had a rough go with evolution, because, I mean, she started in a singles match, got moved to a tag match, got moved to valet. Yeah.
00:43:04
Speaker
but she got to be there. And that match, oh my god, when Trish Stratus and Mickey James went face to face and that arena erupted, I had goosebumps. And when you can get goosebumps not being in the actual room, that's something special. I turned to my lady and I was like, I watched those two wrestle at WrestleMania. She didn't have a reaction, but I wanted to let her know.
00:43:31
Speaker
Well, the last thing I said, wrestling to Leah, she walked by and I said, watch this. This old man is the first guy I saw wrestle at my first live show. He's about to explode and then he gets thrown into the thing. It explodes. He falls over, is covered in like just black burns on his back. And I think she said, Jesus Christ. And then just left. So this is what you're into. This is what I married into.
00:43:55
Speaker
She knew what she was getting into. You have to own this, Leah. Hey, it is our wedding anniversary on Wednesday or on Halloween. We're recording this on Monday this week. Happy anniversary, Leah. I love you. Happy anniversary to you guys. You got married on Halloween. We dressed up as the Miz and Kevin Owens and took a lot of pictures together. Can you believe that it's been a year?
00:44:19
Speaker
Lots happened. A lot has happened in this year. You've done a lot of traveling this year. This isn't the most traveling I've ever done in my whole life. We've also been, I mean, I was getting ready to say we're coming up on a year of podcasting, but that's not true. We're still like a couple months out from that. Our podcasting birthday is January 28th. I don't know if you knew that.
00:44:41
Speaker
January 28th, so that means that day we're gonna have to do something special for the one year. For sure. Just listen back to old clips of ourselves and just be like, God.
00:44:52
Speaker
We weren't very good at this at the very beginning. What we'll do is we'll just take the week off and we'll just splice together a best of. You know how to do that. And hopefully have hardcore Holly narrate all of it. Have your dad narrate it. Just all the times that he's like, I wish he hadn't said that.
00:45:11
Speaker
Oh, God. OK, back to evolution. Yeah, this deserves. I will say within the first like three seconds of the show, we saw our friend suplex and stilettos right behind the announce table. It's true. We did. We did see her back there. And it's weird. I was watching a a the Kevin Owens Roman Reigns Universal Championship match where the it was the shark cage. I can't remember if it was at the rumble or if it was at Roadblock, but
00:45:40
Speaker
I was watching this like a few weeks back. And while I'm watching the match, it cuts over to the crowd and totally see suplex and stilettos out in the crowd just randomly. It was just weird because I think in any other circumstance, I wouldn't have recognized, but we had just finished speaking with her because she's been listening to the podcast and she's probably not happy with the way the main event played out as my guess. I wasn't either. And I don't blame her. Wait a minute. Aren't you a Ronda Rousey, Mark?
00:46:08
Speaker
But I was a Nikki Bella mark first.
Nikki Bella and Ronda Rousey Fandom
00:46:11
Speaker
So which one are you a bigger mark for? Nikki. All right. You're afraid of the Bella army, aren't you? I am not afraid of the Bella army. I'm in the goddamn army myself. Oh, are you the general?
00:46:25
Speaker
I'm not in charge of the army. I don't wanna make it sound like I'm in charge of the Bella army. I'm just there. You're walking on eggshells right now, I can tell. No, I'm not walking on, I'm in the army, but I want less responsibility. Like, I will peel the potatoes for the Bella army. All right. Anyways, couple matches on this card that I really, like, for as much as people were down on that battle royal,
00:46:54
Speaker
I thought the battle royale was pretty cool. Oh, it set up so many little moments that I was just like, God, they need to announce a women's tag belt. There was a little bit where it seemed like Nia Jax and Tamina were gonna, you know, partner up. And just thinking about those two being tag partners, they would be fucking unstoppable.
00:47:16
Speaker
It makes me feel like they haven't really done anything with Tamina. Is she a part of the full-time roster still? Because I feel like I don't see enough of her.
00:47:24
Speaker
Well, they even said, because I actually, this was another one that I watched, because last night I watched the, I went over to my buddy, Alex's house, watched it with him and Neil, friends of the show. And so I got in, I didn't realize the show started at six for us. So I missed like the first hour and a half. And had to watch it today. And in the match, they actually said that she had been out with a shoulder injury for nine months, and this was her first time back. So this was that.
00:47:50
Speaker
I think she had just been gone so long and when she got hurt, didn't really have anything going on. So I feel like we just kind of watched her disappear and didn't really think much of it. But I thought she looked awesome. Fair enough. But like I said, the battle royal ended up being way more exciting. I think we were rooting for Ember Moon over here. I think a lot of people were. And Nia Jackson ended up winning and she gets another title opportunity, which I guess is going to be against Ronda Rousey down the line. So.
00:48:17
Speaker
But the other match that surprised me, the six man tag match ended up being really good. The one with Bailey, Sasha, who all, can you remind me of who all was in that one? It was Sasha Banks, Bailey, and Italia against the Riot squad.
00:48:32
Speaker
Yes, which is a match that I think Queen of the Ring had pointed this out. She said, it feels like we get this match on Raw every week. It's true. It feels like that's a match you're guaranteed to get every Monday. Might be happening right now. We're recording on a Monday. I don't know. But it does feel like we see that one all the time. And so you're thinking like, oh, great, another one of these. But they ended up putting on a really damn good match.
00:48:55
Speaker
Well, I think everybody agreed, you know, just this is a special night. This isn't just a regular six man. I feel like everybody gave it a little more than it reminded me more of, you know, how a new Japan six man can feel a little more important. Yeah. And this was great. This was great. I was just happy to get to see them on the show, you know, get Becky and or Bailey and Sasha to have, you know, a spot on it.
Bailey and Sasha Storyline Speculation
00:49:20
Speaker
Were you disappointed? They had been teasing for, god, like a year, maybe even more, about Bailey and Sasha splitting and having this epic feud. And they didn't do it, they teased it and then they put them back together and now they're on great terms and they wind up in this match. But does it feel like evolution would have been the perfect time to have those two have a match?
00:49:40
Speaker
If it had been built up to be happening at Evolution, I'm sure those two would have just, even if you gave them like a stipulation, like an Iron Woman match or just something, those two would have killed it. But there was no build, so I'm happy we didn't get that. But once again, tag belts, those two would be like the female version of the Mega Powers. That's true. I would love to see that. People want to see women's tag belts, for sure. There were signs in the crowd calling for it.
00:50:08
Speaker
What do you think they're holding off on that for? Do you think they love saying the word first? So do you think they're waiting for Evolution 2 to debut something like that so that they have another new thing they can wait for? To me that might be the next thing. I think the thing that, justifiably, they're holding off on for that is they're... They gotta figure out a way to fit all this stuff into their time slot. I know, it's weird that that's a problem on a four-hour pay-per-view. But if you start having to do two more tag titles, you know what?
00:50:39
Speaker
do whatever's the most interesting thing at the time. There's been many times where they're just throwing the SmackDown tag titles on the pre-show or some shit, so. But I mean like on a week-to-week basis, like on Raw and SmackDown, because they're not gonna just do them for one show, they'll have to do them on both shows. Oh, absolutely. They may wait until SmackDown moves to Fox, because it is gonna become three hours, isn't it, when it goes to Fox?
00:51:05
Speaker
Oh, is it? I actually didn't know that. I think I read that. I'm not. I can't confirm that right now, but I thought I read that it's going to become three hours when it goes to Fox. So they may have some more time to play with, but that may be what they're holding off on is because I don't know when you watch like a new Japan pay-per-view, they have belt after belt after belt after belt after belt. And it works for them because they handle it well. Can WWE make all those belts mean something? Because they're still struggling to make the universal title mean something right now.
00:51:34
Speaker
That's true, I mean, it's gonna be really interesting to see, I feel like everything has just been shuffled. You know, I feel like everything got a wrench thrown in it, so they don't, I'm actually curious to start tuning in again to see where this goes, and obviously we're recording on Monday as Raw's happening, so I am not seeing it right now, maybe some really cool shit's happening. Tony Storm Io Shirai. Yeah, I was gonna comment on that. Great freakin' match.
00:52:03
Speaker
God, that was like just getting to see an indie match in the middle of a WWE pay-per-view. Yeah. I mean, we were seeing Germans on the apron. I think Alex, Neil and myself all kind of said the same thing. That match was incredible. It was. Wish it went five more minutes. Were you happy that Tony was the one that won?
00:52:21
Speaker
I love her. I absolutely love Tony Storm. So yes, I'm I am excited to see what they end up doing with her. I'm guessing she'll probably get a longer run as the UK champ. But right now, over in the UK, between Tony Storm and Jenny, I am on board for what they got going on over there. Yeah, that's right. Does does she get a contract?
00:52:44
Speaker
I believe she does, I think she's already signed. Okay, that's what I wanted to check on. How many of the Mae Young Classic competitors do they keep? Yeah, isn't that, that's kind of a hard decision, isn't it? Right, because you can literally expand your women's division, you can double it if you're really impressed with everybody. Well, that's what, just seeing, man, wouldn't it be, I don't know how you do it. I know I would, I've said before, I would love to have an all women's show.
00:53:12
Speaker
But I know a lot of people say like, well, what would you do with the storylines? I don't know, like they're doing something like the Mae Young classic. If you just set it up like, you know, like an AAW show where there's not necessarily gonna be storylines to everything. Just see some interesting women put on good shows. But that's not WWE style though. So I don't know if that would be a thing. Garrett, can we time out really quick? Yeah. I need to check on something. I'll be right back.
00:53:45
Speaker
All right, you want to pick it up from where we were at? Well, I want to start by saying we just had to pause because Derek expect. I almost called you fucking me. You did that. People mistake our names all the time. They switch them back and forth and I almost called you Garrett. We paused for a second because Derek thought there might be a gas leak in his apartment, not in the apartment from outside.
00:54:06
Speaker
So you thought there was gonna be an explosion outside. It smells like there's gas coming from somewhere and we heard an explosion just a few minutes ago. Jesus Christ. Well that's important. I feel like the people need to know that you're in peril right now podcasting to them from the danger zone. Yeah.
00:54:24
Speaker
So there was some concern, but we're back to talking about evolution. Uh, good to Tony storm on winning the may on classic. I think she's going to stick. She's ridiculously talented. Emotional moment. You could tell that like, it's cool because again, like the whole vibe of the show was just people were in love with the fact that the show was happening to begin with just positivity all around. It was emotional watching her win. And then I guess what triple H and Stephanie came out with flowers and gave them to both competitors. And, uh, yeah.
00:54:54
Speaker
You just kind of got the same feeling that you got when Dominion was over. That's true. You were just getting a match that you were interested in seeing after a match you were interested in seeing. It was just overall a positive vibe regardless of heal or babyface 1. You know, it was just, it was a good night.
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah. And I think, I mean, obviously a match that everybody's going to think should have main evented and it probably should have because it was easily a contender for match of the year, I would say, right?
Becky Lynch vs Charlotte Flair Match Analysis
00:55:23
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. This is the match everybody's talking about from the show and rightfully so. Charlotte versus Becky. First ever last woman standing match. Fucking phenomenal.
00:55:33
Speaker
Start to finish. Everything was great in this. I'm glad that they went to the kendo stick so quickly. Like you knew that they weren't going to hold back at that point. Oh yeah, the second you're starting to see female wrestlers using weapons on each other, which is something you rarely get to see. Yeah. Unless it's a kendo stick on a pole match.
00:55:54
Speaker
Poor Bailey. Alexa Blissett, I'm going to pull that Kendo stick down, beat the shit out of you and win. And then she did. That's what happened. Great, great match. But God, the spot where Charlotte and Becky are throwing both of the chairs in the ring, crowd was super into it and they realized they're going to beat the shit out of each other for real.
00:56:13
Speaker
And they did. I mean, even when they were going out into the crowd, there was a moment when I think Becky chopped Charlotte and it popped so loud. It sounded like a Kenny Omega chop. Somebody gets I mean, they put each other through like the announce table. Charlotte did like a moonsault of things. Yeah, that. Oh, my God, that leg drop Becky gave off the top of the ladder on the Charlotte through the table. Yeah.
00:56:42
Speaker
Yeah, no, this was, I mean, would you say it's the best women's match you've ever seen? Ever? I mean, that's a lot to spring on me right now because I have to think back to everything. But I mean, as far as WWE goes, I think it's one of the best I've seen. Yeah. I mean, to say that it's the best I've ever seen, that's pretty high. But I would say that it is easily in the top. Yeah, for sure.
00:57:10
Speaker
This is going to be the match everyone is talking about from this show. I felt like it should have main invented.
00:57:28
Speaker
way to end, but I get it. Ronda Rousey is Ronda Rousey. A lot of people pay to see her. She is. She's the draw. I know Sammy Callahan thinks it's him. It's Ronda Rousey. Well, let me ask this question because I was thinking about this last night and this is something that's going to come up in future debates as well. If if Ronda Rousey and Nikki Bella are the draw, if that's the reason, if the part celebrity aspect of it is the reason people tune in, why do those people have to be the main event?
00:57:57
Speaker
if you're getting why if they're already big then why not just put them anywhere in the card you mean well kind of but also if you're if your interest is getting like casual viewers and non-wrestling fans to watch a show why do you have to get them in the main event once they're on the show and the people watch and pay or sign up for the network or whatever you've got their money like literally wouldn't you want to end the show with the most the best thing you've got
00:58:27
Speaker
I mean, to be fair, Nikki and Ronda, and I think, ended up putting on a lot better match than people thought they were going to. Judging by most people's response online, at least. Is the actual reason that it happened? Because they always structure all these paper views to where the Raw Championship ends the show? Again, yeah, but to me, it's so interesting that they default to doing that because it's not even necessary.
00:58:53
Speaker
Like, does it hurt the raw title that it doesn't go on last? It's the same thing as to why wouldn't you end a show with Nakamura Styles instead of, you know, Reigns versus Lesnar. Absolutely. It's the exact same thing. It's the exact same thing. So my question is, if those people are on the show to draw casual fans and non-wrestling fans to be like, oh, this person's there, I'll watch.
00:59:18
Speaker
Why do they need to go last? They're already on the card somewhere. That person showed up or bought the network or whatever to see them. I think they knew that if Nikki didn't headline, I wasn't watching. Yeah, sure. I'm just over here peeling my potatoes, just like fucking Bella Army guys. Peel them. Fries are almost done.
00:59:45
Speaker
Um, no, Becky and Charlotte killed it and Nikki and Rhonda. That was a tough act for them to follow, but I think they did fine. Well, after that match ended and you realized, Oh my God, this is next. Yeah. It just, it set the bar even higher for them to have to try and reach. And the fact that they were able to get anywhere close to an area that people were like, okay, it was fine. Fair enough.
01:00:08
Speaker
Yeah. I got to see Nikki do the Alabama slam. Why don't more wrestlers use the Alabama slam? It's such a pleasing move to see. Isn't it? And it feels like it makes sense. Like it's one of those wrestling moves you're like, I get it. I could do that in a fight. Is there anyone in WWE that uses it right now? I mean, I feel like maybe the Miz used to for a while. Didn't that used to be hardcore Holly's finisher? Yes.
01:00:35
Speaker
Oh, good lord. Did you like how the show ended with everyone up on the stage together, basically creating the poster?
01:00:44
Speaker
I like when a poster comes to life for real. That was my favorite part of Star Wars, when they all positioned themselves in that way on that map. At the end of Return of the Jedi, yeah. Yeah, they just all stood there like looping this lightsaber in the air. Photo op. Yeah. Becky wasn't out there while the show was still live, but I guess she did come out after the cameras came out or went off. I saw a picture with Becky and Ronda holding their titles, but she wasn't out there when the pay-per-view was going.
01:01:11
Speaker
No heels allowed. Yeah, she's a bad one. But overall, I'm happy that the show went off as well as it did. It seemed like everybody in attendance had a great time. I can't wait to hear Alex and Kayla's reviews of what it was like to be in the building. It seemed fucking incredible. It felt as special as everyone wanted it to be. So before we end this show, I have a question I want to ask you about evolution. And I want you to think about it.
Future of WWE Women's Pay-Per-Views
01:01:41
Speaker
Now that they've done the first WWE women's pay-per-view, how many of these do you think that they should do a year?
01:01:51
Speaker
I would be okay with more than one a year. I have a feeling they're going to just do one a year. Do you, I mean, you think it's going to stay to one right now? I think so. I mean, unless they saw how positively everybody responded to it. But do you think, do you think, do you think that it would thrive if it was every three months?
01:02:14
Speaker
Maybe not immediately. I don't know. That's a good question. It's kind of, is it as special the second time? Yes. Because- It's the all-in question is what I feel like it is.
01:02:26
Speaker
Well, because for me, like a lot of the stuff I had been tuning in to WWE for was to see the women. Yeah. I really, really like WWE's women's roster. I would tune in that often. Would it always sell out? I don't know. I don't know. Do you think once every because in my mind, I think you could do it every six months.
01:02:47
Speaker
And they just keep adding more and more women. So, I mean, if you start, if you do a show like that where you get a really good feud going on NXT so you can bring that belt over, because we didn't even mention Kairi saying Shayna Baszler, which was also awesome. Yeah, Shayna Baszler is a two-time NXT Women's Champion, which is crazy. First, first woman to hold it twice. Yeah.
01:03:08
Speaker
Which is surprising, right? Well, I mean, that's kind of how NXT works, though. There's rarely somebody that gets to have the title multiple times. True. They tend to have the title, drop the title, fight one more time to try and get it, lose it, and then move to WWE.
01:03:25
Speaker
So to see Baszler go in and actually get it back I thought was kind of fun. I think the thing that made me happy was I put up a poll on our Twitter page after the show was over asking what people's reception was the show and overwhelmingly positive and all throughout the internet overwhelmingly positive very few naysayers and that's what you wanted to see and it lived up to the hype and a lot of people didn't like the build to the show didn't matter the card delivered the performers delivered
01:03:56
Speaker
but can't say enough good things. Yeah, overall great. And then this weekend, yeah, like let's just, evolution, we both loved it. Happy it happened, happy that everybody had a great time. It's just nice to see everybody in wrestling, you know, enjoy something collectively. Correct.
01:04:14
Speaker
Because this is something that I think anyone that, you know, anyone that's watching the endies or I think anyone could have watched this show and appreciated everything that happened. Absolutely. There was something for everybody. Yeah. No, it was a good one. I'm glad it's a rare thing to happen these days. Damn rare thing these days. That's a plane's trains and automobiles reference for the kids at home.
01:04:38
Speaker
Well, Thanksgiving's coming up. That's true. I get to do my favorite Thanksgiving movie double feature of planes, trains and automobiles and Zach and Mary make a porno. See, mine's Adam's family values. OK. I love that one. But yeah, we've got a couple of big ones coming up this weekend. We have the Jericho cruise on Friday, which I believe is where they're doing Omega, the Omega Club or the what was it? The Bucks of Jericho versus the Bullet Club.
01:05:07
Speaker
Yeah. Isn't that going on right now? That cruise? The cruise is happening now, but I think that specific show where that match is happening is going to be televised, I think Friday. And then what is it? Saturday morning is the next New Japan pay-per-view where Jericho's fighting evil.
Upcoming Chris Jericho Events
01:05:24
Speaker
Damn. Yeah. So he's got a busy fucking week. Hopefully the weather cooperates with his flight. That seems pretty risky. And his boat. Jesus.
01:05:36
Speaker
But I guess if he misses it, then all of them are missing it. Yeah. They're all there. I wonder how New Japan feels about that. International waters, anything goes. It's fine.
01:05:46
Speaker
exploding barbed wire match on a boat. Do you think Evil's the guy he drops that title to? Or do you think they have him carry it until Wrestle Kingdom and get like Okada versus Jericho for the IC title? God, that's what I would like to see. That would, that's a big match. That would be really cool to see. Those two are fucking cuckoo right now. Oh my God. Yeah, it's just a, just a medium of the minds. The weird minds.
01:06:14
Speaker
Well, I hope that's what happened, but maybe they're sad about not having the IC belt around anymore, so... I really do miss it. I think, you know, I feel like the guys in New Japan are pretty good about being there and working, and he's not, so it kind of feels weird. Like, I don't want Jericho to get to, like, the Brock Lesnar point in New Japan. I don't want him to get to the point where it's annoying that he's there and not there. Are you sure? It might just be funny.
01:06:41
Speaker
But I would like for him to cut promos more often and just remind us that he's not there. Well then do that. Just don't show up but cut funny promos. Yeah, I love the promos. Didn't he cut one promo from the middle of a field? Do more of that. Where there's just like a bicycle behind him and he's just like, he was yelling about something and he's like, and here's a turtle.
01:07:05
Speaker
I want more Jericho iPhone promos. You weird bastard. Well, you know what, Derek? I actually have to carve a pumpkin.
01:07:13
Speaker
Good for you. Yeah, it's not quite Halloween. And I've got to carve a pumpkin. I can see it from where I'm at. We've gone over an hour. I mean, like, we're almost an hour and 10 minutes. I don't know how much of this is cut out for you guys. You don't know where I'm at. But I want to go carve this. Can I carve this now? Go carve your pumpkin. It's the right time of the year to do that. So you know I sign off on it. So we should get the hell out of here. Derek, where can the boys and girls find you on the social medias?
01:07:40
Speaker
Guys, if you like the podcast, you know where to find us. We're on Twitter, we're on Facebook, we're on Instagram.
01:07:51
Speaker
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01:09:18
Speaker
And be sure to come to Southern Underground Pro this weekend, November 4th. It's at Bassman East. Doors are at 1.30. The show starts at 2. The main event is Marco Stunt versus Brett Eisen. You've heard us talk about Marco Stunt a bunch. You gotta see this guy live. A lot of fun. And also, we're sponsoring a match. You've heard us talk about Craig Mitchell. I've had a feud with this man.
01:09:38
Speaker
He hasn't really had a feud with me. It's been more one-sided. Maybe this weekend he chops me. Maybe I apologize. I don't know, but it's Craig Mitchell versus Tripp Cassidy versus Danhausen. It's gonna be a fun show. I hope to see you there. Come say hi if you see me. Garrett, this has been a good show, but I think it's time to hit our goddamn music.