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From Addiction to Awakening: Rob Gauthier on Channeling, The Shift & Creating Your Reality
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Rob Gauthier went from the lowest of lows—violence, gang life, and drug addiction—to becoming one of the most respected trance channelers in the world. This is a story of radical transformation, and it's proof that no matter where you are, you have the power to create something beautiful.
In this raw and honest conversation, Rob (known as The ET Whisperer) shares how hitting rock bottom became his gateway to awakening. After losing everything and nearly losing himself, he discovered meditation, met his first extraterrestrial guide—a seven-and-a-half-foot reptilian named Treb Bor Yit-Ne—and learned that he could channel wisdom from higher dimensional beings.
Now Rob channels three main guides (Treb, Aridif, and Archangel Metatron) and has helped thousands of people find clarity on their soul's path. But what makes this conversation special is Rob's grounded, compassionate presence. He doesn't claim to be enlightened—he's still doing the work, just like all of us.
We explore the shift happening on Earth right now, the difference between dimensions and densities, and how to follow your excitement as your higher self's guidance system. Rob shares practical wisdom on creating your reality, working with Metatron energy, and why being present with your loved ones is the most spiritual thing you can do.
Topics Covered:
- Rob's journey from rock bottom to profound awakening
- Meeting his first guide and learning to trust the process
- How to follow your passion as your soul's GPS
- The shift from 3rd to 4th/5th density consciousness
- Why Earth offers such a profound emotional spectrum
- Creating your reality vs. being a victim of circumstance
- The power of presence over the pursuit of enlightenment
- Upcoming Channel Panel in West Virginia.
This conversation will remind you that transformation is possible, that you are the creator of your reality, and that your lowest moments might be preparing you for something extraordinary.
If this conversation resonates with you, please share it with someone who needs to hear Rob's story. Transformation is possible for everyone.
Rob Gauthier's website: https://www.etwhisperer.com/
Upcoming Event: Channel Panel: https://www.thechannelpanel.com/
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast and Guests
00:00:00
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Welcome to the Journey Mindfulness Podcast, where the inner world meets the infinite. I'm James O'Neill, and together we explore consciousness, soul, mindfulness, and the mysteries beyond our world, and most importantly, how to integrate all of it into the life you're living right now.
00:00:28
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Welcome to the Journey Mindfulness Podcast. Today, I'm honored to introduce a truly extraordinary guest, Rob Gauthier, known worldwide as the ET Whisperer. Rob is one of the most respected trans channelers in the world, having guided thousands of individuals towards clarity in their life path and soul mission.
Channeling ET Consciousness
00:00:48
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Through his unique gift, he serves as a bridge between our earthly consciousness and higher realms of wisdom, primarily channeling three main guides, Trebor Yitni, hopefully I said that right, Aradif, and Archangel Metatron.
00:01:03
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Though he's connected with thousands of ET consciousness through his work. What draws people to Rob isn't just his extraordinary abilities, but his grounded presence, which you'll see, as well as the profound messages he brings forth.
00:01:18
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messages about following your heart, connecting with your higher self and understanding your true purpose in this universe. His work reminds us that the answers we seek aren't out there somewhere. They're within us waiting to be awakened.
Soul's Journey and Living Truthfully
00:01:34
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On this episode, we'll explore the nature of consciousness, the journey of the soul, and what it means to live in alignment with our deepest truth. So settle in, open your mind, and prepare for a conversation that just, or hopefully might shift your perspective on what's possible.
00:01:51
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Rob Gauthier, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you so much. I really appreciate having me on and I've got a good chance for the last month or so to to connect with you and get to know you a little better.
00:02:02
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and I know we have a mutual friend with Ruben and Ruben's a great guy. So I'm just excited to be here and connect with you and and have a chat. Yeah, absolutely. um You know, it was during COVID
00:02:18
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The very beginning of COVID that I came across Ruben's show on the Gaia network, uh, interview with ED, extra dimensionals. And you're, I can't remember if you were the first episode, but I saw you channeling and I was new to channeling. I'd heard the term, but didn't really know much about it.
00:02:39
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And then through listening to you, i was like, this is, this is wild. Like, You and the information that came through was just, it blew my mind. So you were my introduction to that, that world and Ruben as well.
00:02:54
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Oh, that's amazing. And yeah it I was on the first season. I was, I think episode, uh, maybe four and five. Um, I was the only person up until season three that had two episodes because I channeled, um, mostly Trev and Ardiff at that time. And I just had started channeling Metatron.
00:03:14
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um So he recorded me channeling Metatron, which is actually one of my most profound in-person channelings I think I've ever had. But he put that on the YouTube um channel for free. And then um Gaia TV picked up the other one. So I had two episodes on season one.
00:03:31
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And ah both of them were pretty great. Ruben's a master at what he does. he's He's a beautiful videographer and editor.
Influence of Gaia Network
00:03:39
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And he created something... that wasn't really so very serious. I mean, it was serious because he was putting in love and time and energy and money out of his own pocket to create it.
00:03:49
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But we didn't know what would come of it. We're just like, okay, this cool guy who really loves channeling wants to make a show about channeling and he wants me to be on it? Sure. And that was in 2015 and it really didn't take off till Gaia TV put it on their network in 2019. So, you know, four years later after we had done the the channeling and kind of forgot about it, then here it is right right up in everyone's face and It really marked a big shift in in people's perspective on channeling for the people who did watch it. But also, it gave a lot of people access to channelers that they wouldn't have normally known. you know It wasn't just like Daryl Anka and Lee Carroll and you know the Seth material and Nasser Hicks. It was these other people who were doing the same thing.
00:04:38
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But these ones are also connecting to extraterrestrials, you know, and as much as Bashar is an extraterrestrial, a lot of people don't think about it that way. They're just like, oh, this guy's in a weird voice, but he's saying some really profound stuff, you know.
00:04:50
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um So it really did. It expanded my experience ah into the channeling community, but it expanded people's perspective on channeling and people's access to channeling by a lot.
00:05:03
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Yeah, I mean, I was talking to Tony Ghazi and he was talking about like, yeah, Ruben introduced me to this before, you know, it was like Ruben, who I, you know, i have the highest respect for, like really kind of created this, um, or manifested this larger community of people coming together and and and obviously you kind of having your events now, the channel panel, which is, we'll talk more about, but coming up in West Virginia in a month, i you know which I'm going to go to, which is going to be exciting.
00:05:33
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that'll be my first time seeing that live. Oh yeah, it's it's different when you see it live in person versus ah on camera. Like ah but Ruben is amazing and helps bring that to life in a way that a lot of people didn't. But the Metatron channeling in person was actually really phenomenal. um Uh, my ex-wife was there with me. She's also a channeler and, um, Ruben was there during that time. We're the only three people.
00:06:01
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And, um, it was the first time when I channeled that like magic around me happened. The environment shifted, the birds started chirping. It was very quiet and, uh, wasn't very windy. And then also the wind picked up, but butterflies come flying out.
00:06:16
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Uh, and you, if you watch it on the video, I think it's still on YouTube right now. um You can see the insects start getting really crazy after I start channeling the clouds clear up. I mean, it was really a beautiful, beautiful thing. And in person, um for a lot of people who are intuitive, when they listen to channeling, it can be a very powerful. But when they're in the presence of the energy of channeling,
00:06:39
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um I've seen a lot of people who've never seen channeling in person really have belief shifts after seeing it in person or really um have a much wider acceptance for channeling after seeing it in person.
00:06:52
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I think it is a different thing and I can't wait to meet you there. I know I'm going to be busy for for those days, but um I definitely want to connect with you and give you a hug when I see you. Oh, absolutely. they That would be great. like yeah you know it'll be you have quite a ah collection of people coming it's going to be just just a lot of it has to be a lot of good energy there yeah we've never had one where we didn't uh really enjoy the the energy of it and uh the january ones the the first one we did since my ex-wife and i were doing them together back in 2017 was the last one that we we had done live uh and we did a couple online ones after but
00:07:31
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Yeah, yeah. Multiple channelers in one place at one time. It's a very, very rare thing. And when it happens and it's like majoritively just channelers. Yeah, it's it's a very powerful thing. I'm
Rob's Path to Channeling
00:07:43
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excited. and So I was listening to an interview um that you did recently with another mutual friend, Debbie Dashinger, and you were talking about, and one of the things i want to talk about is just like the soul's journey.
00:08:00
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And, and you are this renowned channeler now, but if someone had told you that you were going to be a renowned channeler back in the day, you probably wouldn't have believed them, right? Like it would have been this interesting thing. So if you could, how, how your journey with that and kind of how that unfolded perhaps.
00:08:22
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Yeah, yeah, it's ah it's a very long story um and I'll try to compress it um so that, you know, you get the idea of it. But yes, if you would have told me even one year before I met my first guide trap that I was going to do this thing called channeling. First, sight I have no idea what it was, but secondly, I would have been like, oh yeah, my brain must have been broken. If that's a video of me doing that, something's wrong with me.
00:08:47
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um ah So yeah. it It all started a long time ago when I was a kid. My family is very religious. I had a lot of questions, not a lot of satisfactory answers.
00:09:00
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I was always kind of, um, you know, as a child, I was another level of, of that kind of just like, oh God, questions again. um so I wasn't seen as important enough to ask questions. And even as I got older, they're like, oh, you know, this guy has never, uh, gone to like, um,
00:09:20
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whatever colleges teach you how to how to do preaching and all all of this stuff like religious colleges. So no matter what, there was always this level of being better than. And I always i dislike that energy very much in general.
00:09:34
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ah It's one of my pet peeves, like when someone pretends to be bigger, better than other people, it's just it really always hits nerves. But They were doing that spiritually with with what they had and the Bible, and I didn't like that.
00:09:47
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And i I started having experiences fairly young. I had some dreams that I couldn't explain, like relatives that I never met or knew telling me things that I shouldn't have known.
00:09:58
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And I thought it was a dream. And whenever I'd ask my mom because of her Christian belief, she'd be like, no, it's just a dream. We're not talking about this. So right off the bat, my friend had seen a walking monkey in Michigan walk across the road, which later we assumed, you know, was Sasquatch or Bigfoot or whatever.
00:10:17
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So all these really weird things had happened. as I'm growing up. And then when I was 13, I saw my first UFO and it was real close, like 60, 80 feet above the trees close.
00:10:30
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Um, and at that time, my curiosity could no longer be, be held aback. Uh, I did a lot of research. I did a lot of question asking so much so that, that the, the person who was in charge of the church lost their temper with me several times. So I just quit going.
00:10:47
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Uh, fast forward, um, during that time, you know, all the way through my young adulthood, I got in a lot of trouble. Um, I hang out with people who are like gangbangers, people who sold drugs, people who did violence.
00:11:00
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So like in Michigan, it's, it's a pretty common thing. Michigan and the Southern half of Michigan is, is a pretty rough state. A lot of violence, a lot of gangs.
Addiction and Transformation
00:11:09
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And in the nineties, it was real bad. Um,
00:11:12
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And I took part of that and hung around with the wrong people. And I got in a lot of trouble when I was younger. And then when I was 19, I had my son and my son was born with cerebral palsy.
00:11:24
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And I didn't know that. I just knew that he had a problem. He wasn't breathing when he was born. And and we took him home. They gave a seizure medication. So I didn't know anything um until he got to be about one or two. And then when we took him family doctors, they're like, yeah, he's got cerebral palsy.
00:11:39
Speaker
You know, why why don't you guys know this? I'm like, no one ever told us that. um And it was, it was rough at 19 years old, having this child who the the moment I saw them, I fell in love. I didn't like children at all. I i actually, if you would have asked me at 19 years old, I would have said, oh, I hate children. You know, I didn't like them. I didn't like anyone really that liked me and my family and my friends and everyone else. Um, you know, I, I really could care less about.
00:12:08
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And then this little human being taught me, oh my God, there's someone in this world I can love more than me. And that was the first time I really felt that. That shifted a lot about me. Yeah. You know, and then when he got maybe about two years old or so, I got in a car accident.
00:12:24
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Yeah. In the car accident it really injured my shoulder and neck. I went on pain meds and I got a sense of relief from all the anxiety and fear after the doctors told us, you know, when he was about 18 months old, hey, he's not gonna walk. He's not gonna talk. He'll be lucky if he lives to be a teenager.
00:12:41
Speaker
And this shattered my whole life. Like this person I love more than me is, is doesn't have a very bright future, you know? Yeah. So it did, it broke my heart, broke my mind.
00:12:52
Speaker
Um, and then after the pain medicine, was the only thing that gave me some relief from that.
00:12:58
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Addiction gets worse. It becomes not just pain medicine. It becomes street drugs. And you know, um, it, it just, it compounded into multiple drug variety of use, hardcore drugs. And a lot of them, up until one day I realized that all my ah relationships I had burnt to the ground.
00:13:18
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Um, You know, barely with, with my then wife, which was my son's mom. Uh, me and her had always had problems, but it was real bad at that point. ah my parents, I had stolen things from them. Um, I had lied to them. I had done a lot of things that made them not want me to be around either.
00:13:35
Speaker
My sisters, um, my brother. Everyone but and that meant something in my life besides my son. And then I started noticing my care for him started decreasing. um Like I was gone so much during the day, left him with his mom and his mom was really in a rough place too, emotionally and mentally. So she wasn't able to really take care. And so I felt neglectful of him.
00:13:58
Speaker
Long story short, that's what pulled me out of of the drug use. And after getting clean, I started going back to those curiosities, UFOs, life after death, ah Bigfoot, all these things. And I bumped into ah place that said, we can prove to what happens after people die ah because we can talk to the dead. And I'm like, oh no, this is going to be the best or the worst thing ever. It's going to be really insightful or a bunch of charlatans pretending.
00:14:23
Speaker
but um I went there. And it was mind blowing. They knew everything about my son. There was no social media. and Well, there was just the start of social media then. And and I didn't share those things on my social media.
00:14:35
Speaker
Um, so they proved to me quickly, they were legit. I hung out there. I learned how to meditate from them. I started getting little pictures and sounds and a couple of words, but the religious aspect of it was too much.
00:14:48
Speaker
There was too much ties to Christianity. I kept triggering my old wounds. So eventually, um, I just found my own way and through some bionereal beats, I listen, um, those kind of balance the brain hemispheres, um, put you in a deep state, like a, a theta or delta state of meditation.
00:15:06
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And those really made my, my meditations blow up. And then pretty soon I realized I was addicted to meditation. I was doing it, you know, sometimes four hours a day on the very low side, sometimes the 10 or 12 hours a day, not like full glass sitting and meditating, but like right now I'm closing my eyes while I'm talking to you. That's how i would spend sometimes four, six, seven hours a day, just living life with my eyes closed.
00:15:29
Speaker
Cause it was another way for me to tune into energy. And eventually I met my first guy, Treb. And when I say I met him, what I mean is in a meditation, I was in an an astral projected state, like a deep, deep meditation. It's like having a dream while you're awake, your body's asleep, but the the consciousness is awake. So it's like the most realistic lucid dream that you can have. I was in control.
00:15:53
Speaker
i was able to communicate. And he basically told me just a couple of things. We're connected. Our soul's connected. Uh, if you want to connect and find out more about that, you can, here you go.
00:16:05
Speaker
Do the same thing that you did today to get here. Was it visual or the voice? Both? All, all. It was a completely visual, uh, the, the site of this being. The word reptilian triggers a lot of people, but he's a reptilian human hybrid and he's huge. He's seven and a half foot tall, gigantic, sharp teeth, you know, big big eyes, green skin. um Very scary.
00:16:28
Speaker
And I felt huge fear. And then 20 seconds, maybe 30 seconds later, I felt love. that, you know, like when you're in a dream, there's that sixth sense, you know, there's something that, that, you know, I felt that love was from him to me.
00:16:45
Speaker
I don't know how I knew that. I just felt this sense of love that made the measure of gold standard love. Like I always consider me for my son. That's the love I measured true love with.
00:16:56
Speaker
It made that feel small and insignificant. And this being who just scared the crap out of me is giving me this huge love. And I don't know why. um there's like this knowing beyond knowing right where you i don't know how i know this but i'm safe for that feeling of love yeah yeah and and it it was instant and i knew it was for me and and i didn't know how i knew it but it was it was there and it was real Um, so after that, I spent three days not meditating and that that's, that was impossible. Like even when I was sick, even when I felt like I was dying, I would meditate even more so sometimes.
00:17:31
Speaker
And then i went back and I talked to him and I went back and talked to him and I did that for two years every day, several times a day, sometimes. so Asking him every question I could think of.
00:17:42
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And he taught me a lot of things that they still channel about now about creation, about the soul's journey, about the mechanics of consciousness. Uh, a lot of things that I had no reference on from before, um, that I didn't know.
00:17:56
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And it changed my life black and white, as much as getting off drugs changed my life, meeting him changed it like more. And then.
Public Sharing of Channeling
00:18:05
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After about two years, i had been investigating everything he told me. you know, I just came from a place where you don't trust anybody.
00:18:11
Speaker
You know, if somebody tells you the sky is blue, you go outside and look. um So i I was double checking everything he said. And the only references I ever found were channeled references. Seth Material, Daryl Anka with Bashar, things like that.
00:18:26
Speaker
So I was like, hey, you know, the information you shared with me helped me so much. Can we share that with other people the same way they do? Because I don't know the information. If someone asked me a question, I couldn't tell them.
00:18:38
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Can you come through my body like they do? And he's like, yeah. So we started and a few months later I was channeling and I channeled maybe four or five times and then put it on YouTube and never looked back. So he became like your own mystery school.
00:18:52
Speaker
Yes, for sure. ah could like but Like my Harry Potter. Yeah. That's so fascinating. He's teaching, he's d he's some aspect of you, right? Yeah.
00:19:07
Speaker
Yeah, now I understand that. Uh, back then he just said our souls were connected and I was like, yeah, I don't even know what that means. but that Um, but later, yes. Um, so he's a part of my oversoul structure, which means he's a possible future or past or now incarnation, depending on how you look at it. But yeah, so he is, he's a part of my own greater soul, not the Rob.
00:19:33
Speaker
part of me that's in the body and out of the body, but like the greater soul, the oversoul, um, where millions of incarnations happen, all my past lives and future lives happen inside of that oversoul.
00:19:44
Speaker
Um, and he's part of that. So yeah, we're very connected and he's another aspect of my consciousness and Aradif is another aspect of his consciousness. Cause like he, the relationship I have with him, i consider him my guide.
00:19:59
Speaker
Um, so Ardiff would be sh Treb's guide and that's how I met Ardiff and then, uh, Metatron's a difference to brave, but you know, the similar thing. So yeah, it's, we're all connected and we're all part of that same oversoul and that's why we're able to connect so easily and, and, uh,
00:20:18
Speaker
You know, the rules and ethics of higher dimensional beings channeling, I'll leave that for them. But um I think they see it as we're all connected and a part of the same soul. So it doesn't matter what we're doing together as we're sharing information.
00:20:34
Speaker
You know, um the beauty the beauty of this is like we're not the only ones learning, right? Artif always says, you know, when I connect with you guys, I'm looking at parts of your consciousness I'd never seen before.
00:20:47
Speaker
And I'm reflecting the information that you asked me. So if you say, hey, you know, what is my past life? He pulls that from your oversoul. So he's just reflecting stuff that's already there to you.
00:20:58
Speaker
But it gives him that insight to see that. And he says, whenever we see parts of your soul that we've never seen, we see parts of our soul that we've never seen. So you're growing by it getting the questions answered and by asking the act of asking a question is actually finding that information for yourself.
00:21:17
Speaker
And then their reflections of that other person give them insight about them. So it's like a double growth process. And I think. Yeah. This like ecosystem of curiosity and questioning and learning, and then, you know, it's constantly changing, right? Like I know.
00:21:34
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Everyone, we always want to ask, you know as an interviewer, like questions like, when is disclosure going to happen? Or when is the shift going to happen? Like all these things. It's like, well, it's constantly evolving, right? Like I could tell you it's going to happen next month. But the moment I tell you, it's now shifted a lot of different things. Now people are listening, paying attention, and it's it's all fluid.
00:21:58
Speaker
Yeah, very true. ah that's one thing I love about my guides. They don't do prediction. People will harass them to do it. And they're like, okay, if you want us to tell you what the probability is right now, fine. But two minutes from now, it's gonna shift. It will be different. Promise.
00:22:13
Speaker
but but I love that. Cause not everybody understands that, you know, they're like, oh, ET should know everything. Well, they do. They know their own stuff and and they might know a lot of our stuff, but they can't tell you what you're going to create.
00:22:27
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You know, you're the only one that gets the choice. every Every thought, every action, every interaction, it changes everything. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's astounding, right? Like you, know, to go from, you know, your, your origin the story, of the journey you were talking about, and then going through, i mean, the introduction of seeing a gigantic reptilian, which would have been terrifying because and working through the fear of that. And then also trusting yourself too, Rob, to like, come out and put yourself out there with this gift like that.
00:23:02
Speaker
That's tremendous. Like what? What was like the fear, the that the resistance that you had to overcome with that to to really get the courage to fully step into that? You know, it's, it's really funny. I didn't have really much reservation about putting my information out.
00:23:19
Speaker
It was so life-changing to me. And I was running under a whole set of of assumptions, right? I was like, first of all, no one will ever see this. Um, maybe 10 people will see it. Maybe one person it will help maybe 10% of how much I've been helped by it And that'll be worth all the time and effort I put into it.
00:23:40
Speaker
But the first. video I put out like had 2500 views in like a week for a channel that never existed. One of my little secrets that that not a lot of people know about me is I've got like 20 YouTube channels out there in the ether like for various every time I find a new hobby.
00:23:59
Speaker
Every time I find something that I'm excited about, I share through, it's it's like part of me wanting to share what I know with people. So that's always been an interest. I think my ET Whisper YouTube channel was like my fourth or fifth YouTube channel that I started.
00:24:16
Speaker
Um, and the other ones still exist out there. i still have other ones that I'm adding new stuff to all the other time that have nothing to do with channeling. It's just things, little weird things that I get excited and learn a lot about. And then I, I info down, uh, on there, but I've, I, I've had some videos in different corners ah of the Internet that have had like 70,000 views, 100,000 views, just randomly different stuff. um Very, very different stuff.
00:24:41
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So that's always been a part of me deeply. Like I love to share what I know um because I'm also a person who wants to know stuff. And a lot of the time people don't share in a way that I can like learn quickly from. So so I have created a style of teaching ill Like I would say 80% of all my YouTube channels are are tutorial based or teaching based.
00:25:08
Speaker
um And i so I've always had that ability to kind of share information with people in a way that they can understand it quickly and use it. So I've always done that with channeling. This was just another one of those things that I found a ton of information and excitement about, built up that knowledge base and excitement and then shared it.
00:25:29
Speaker
So it was kind of just like, this is just going to be another YouTube channel in the wind. You know what I mean? well, maybe we could move in that direction. like So like alignment and higher consciousness. Like one of the most beautiful messages from Treb is about like following your heart, right? Because it's directly connected to your higher self. So like in practical terms, how could someone distinguish between the voice of the the heart and the higher self? Because like clearly you are doing that like by being curious and tappping tapping into those things that do excite you.
00:26:06
Speaker
Yeah, this, you know, the formula for this is, is, is quite easy. We make it complicated because we're humans and we always have, well, what if this happened? We're always putting up barriers before we need to, but the formula is pretty simple.
00:26:20
Speaker
Your excitement is an indicator from the higher self. Uh, Trevon Ardiff described it as the laser pointer to the cat, right? We're the cat. and And the higher self is showing us with the laser pointer excitement.
00:26:35
Speaker
So they're pointing it at the wall like, hey, just chase your excitement real quick. You'll get to where you need to be next. um When we do that and we don't I have a million set of assumptions. Like I, I swear to God, that's why my channeling is successful.
00:26:51
Speaker
Cause I had no assumptions that it was going to do anything. i was just excited to share. I literally didn't care 10 people saw it or zero people saw it or 10 million people saw I was just excited.
00:27:03
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And when I followed that boom, and it took on a life of its own. And that's the formula. That's literally as simple as it gets. The things that complicate it is when we bring our assumptions in or when we create this, this self-induced fallacy of of the mind. That's like, oh, you know, my life experience has taught me if I do A, B, and C, then D always happens, always happens.
00:27:30
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We have to remove ourself from our past. We have to be in the now moment. And that's the other important part. And what Treb shares about that higher self is is very important. um The higher self gives us all the tools and all the higher self is, is the larger part of our soul that's not anchored in the body.
00:27:48
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So when Treb or Ardiff say words like higher fractal consciousness or lower fractal consciousness, That's a fancy way of saying higher self or lower self. The lower self is the us that's in the body, the Rob that has a personality and memories and traumas and, you know, anger and excitement and joy and sadness.
00:28:08
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And the higher self is the higher dimensional aspects of our soul that are not embodied, but still are connected to our personality and our our consciousness in the body. um so they would say maybe 10 for normal humans 15 for very evolved humans 15 would be in the body and the rest is outside and what the rest is is higher dimensional versions of ourselves so this is like the third density or fourth dimensional version the body the the equipment all the stuff that we're doing right now is like a third density or fourth dimensional
00:28:42
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The fourth density, fifth dimensional being is a part of our higher self, ah the closest one to our body,
Understanding Higher Self and Consciousness
00:28:48
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but still there. and And then the fifth density, sixth dimensional, and then sixth density, seventh dimensional. Those are all parts of our higher self.
00:28:55
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And together, what's in the body, what's outside of the body, that's our soul, that's our entity, that's our consciousness. So the higher self is us. It's just an expanded version of us.
00:29:06
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And learning to to tap into it Yeah, it's complicated when you're doing verbal channeling. It's complicated when you're doing high levels of intuition or telepathy, but it's very easy if we follow the laser pointer, just follow the passion, follow the excitement.
00:29:24
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Don't condition it, you know? Well, i just, you know, there's so many wonderful things that you can hear with channeling and everything else. And just even just being open, you know, to the world or like, you know, UFO experiences or Bigfoot or all these other things.
00:29:41
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But at the end of the day, all you have is the moment. And so it it really is, no matter what it is, like integrating that into the now and paying attention to your internal guidance system. Because I know, you know, even being a therapist and a mindfulness teacher, I know I miss things where it's like, I wasn't paying attention all of the time. And I try to pay attention, but you still end up missing things. It's like, but no, but you can go back and pay attention to, okay, what is moving the needle for me? What what is exciting? Like what?
00:30:14
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Be curious about it and then just explore it and see what happens. And a lot of times you'll, you'll find success.
00:30:21
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Oh, absolutely. And the, the beautiful thing about what you said, just allowing yourself to go back and look at it later. Most the time, the things that we miss, we're not ready for anyway. Um, most of the time when we're missing things, we're just not there yet. You know, um,
00:30:39
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I've met so many people who beat themselves up like, oh my God, if I would have done this and that different. And it's normal. I still do it to say I'm like, well, I could have made this decision better than that. But the fact is, if we didn't do all the things we did before, if we would have caught it earlier, it might have changed the entire trajectory of our life.
00:30:57
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Um, the reason we're getting the things we need to at the time, it's because that's the time we can, and that's the time we probably should. Um, yeah, I, I think it's very important to, as we go through our spiritual journey, not to beat ourselves up.
00:31:14
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And like I said, I'm not immune to that. I do it all the time. Uh, I still do it. uh, earlier today I did it, you know, so I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. What I'm saying is when you do.
00:31:27
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do that. Don't beat yourself up about it because that just puts extra energy into the resistance you're trying to step out of anyway. um And that's something I've gotten a lot better about, but I still deal with the self beating and the self, ah the self doubts and all that stuff. But yeah, I think you're right, brother, be in the moment. And and that's where all the magic happens.
00:31:50
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Yeah. And getting back into like, you know our inner critic, it's, it becomes a process of trying to cultivate your inner compassionate coach and and speaking to yourself in a more kind way and and learning how to do that, which is what I do now professionally, but learn the hard way, like most things.
00:32:08
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Yeah, yeah. Well, that's the earth. That's what we're here for. And I, as a Capricorn, id I, I doubled down on that. Yeah. I go, I go through the super, uh, learning hard twice so that I can remember once type of thing.
00:32:21
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Um, I think that's just kind of the earth contract, you know, um, things are not transparent here. Um, they're not easy to see for everybody. um I think too, my journey and path going through the difficulties I've gone through being around people who, and me myself participating in very high levels of violence, um going into drug addiction areas like drug houses and stuff.
00:32:51
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this This is like how society sees most of the lowest people, right? They're like, oh, drug addicts are pieces of garbage. People who do crime are are pieces of garbage.
00:33:03
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But it's not. i mean, me getting to experience that firsthand gave me understanding and compassion for more people than I ever could could have had outside of that.
00:33:15
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um Being judgmental also, I think, is a part of being human. but teaching ourselves to to try to be open to another person's perspective, experience or way of life. um I met this woman a few months ago who was interested in the channeling work and she had told me something about herself from her past.
00:33:37
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And when she told me she was very expectant that I was just going to be like, oh, you know, i was like, oh, I get it. She's like, really? Yeah, I live that lifestyle myself.
00:33:48
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um I had all these issues with drugs and hung out with really tough crowds, all this stuff. And it felt like healing for her to be accepted despite the things that that she had done in her past that everyone else judged her for.
00:34:04
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um so I think that's our our our key to our self issues of of being kind to ourselves, but also to everyone else. Just try to try to understand everybody goes through things and and everybody has a bad time and ah people are capable full of the the darkest darks and the the beautifulest, most abundant of light.
00:34:24
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And if we can frame that for every situation and everyone, it brings the level of judgment for others down and eventually to ourselves. Yeah.
00:34:35
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and And what I've found is that it's it's far more easier to be nonjudgmental towards others than yourself. Way, way easier. I'm also my, my number one worst critic.
00:34:46
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Uh, my sister actually earlier today, she's like, you know, Rob, everyone always says you're so nice. You're so nice. She's talking about that. They said to her and she's like, you should meet my brother.
00:34:57
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And I'm like, I'm not always nice. but see You know what I mean? I get, I get triggered in traffic and call someone a jerk and, uh, or worse, ah you know, and, and I'm going, and I'm thinking of all these bad things that I've done, but I'm like, you know what?
00:35:12
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and That's like 2% of me. That's not too bad, right? um So it's it's it's an automatic process. I think we're taught young to be so critical about ourselves and stuff. But yeah, it's way harder to not judge us than it is others usually, yeah for the most part.
00:35:31
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Put a lot of pressure on ourselves to perform or, you know, to be successful or whatever, you know, these I don't know, stereotypes or you know expectations that we have of of what it means to be successful perhaps in this world. And and it's hard and people really get, they get stuck. you know A lot of times you know what I've found is People want, they want things to be different, but they don't always know how to go about it. and So they end up spinning their wheels and they don't make the progress that they want to see. ah And so that's, you know, a challenge that I see a lot of people have in terms of, you know, perhaps moving along on their, their soul journey is like, okay, what do I need to resolve so I can move up?
00:36:20
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And it almost does seem Like Ruben's called it like the, you know, it's like the choose your own adventure book. But like, okay, if I'm stuck, there's a reason why I'm stuck. Be curious, try to figure it out.
00:36:32
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And there's a path through that. Yeah, yeah, I think I think it starts with self-interest, you know, um not in a bad way. When you say self-interest, most people are like, oh they're selfish.
00:36:44
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um Self-interest, you know, what are the things that I'm doing that are good that are making me progress and and what are the things I'm doing that aren't good? And sometimes you can only focus on you.
00:36:56
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Sometimes when you're in a position that's really bad, you have to just focus on you. You have to focus on what you can do, not what other people are doing to stop you or hold you down or suppress you.
00:37:07
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um You can only think about what you're doing. Rough circumstances exist. I get it. I grew up ah very poor ah for a lot of my childhood. I hung out with criminals and drug addicts for the rest of my young ah life.
00:37:23
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So it's not a judgment, it's a realization of the reality of us living on earth. um But there's always choices you can make that can get you in a better place, always.
00:37:35
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I have this buddy, um grew up together, four years old. He he was brothers with the guy who saw the monkey running across the street when he was four or five or six. um So we all grew up together, we were like brothers. i spent 95% of my life either in my house or in their house.
00:37:53
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ah growing up. And he just now, at the age of 47 or just now has substantial clean time.
00:38:04
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And he's finally off drugs and finally trying to make himself better. It took him going to prison. It took him ah having five or six children that he never cared about.
00:38:16
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ah yeah I won't say never. ah Most of the time he had them. He didn't care for them or or do anything with them. It took him all of that time to realize now that it's time to get his stuff together.
00:38:30
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But... What he's passionate about now is helping people who have been through the prison system and the drug system. What a better teacher. If he can figure out how to stay out and keep keep out and stay out permanently of that lifestyle, he will be the greatest teacher ever. So sometimes we have to go through that really horrible stuff to get to the good stuff.
00:38:52
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Absolutely. It's, you know, I've seen it many times, but that's absolutely true. um Rob, as we as we move through our life lessons and There is, you know, the shift or awakening happening. How do you, you were talking about densities and dimensions. I know my dad, my dad's like, I don't understand like what's happening.
00:39:18
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How do you, or how to, you know, how is it explained to you that you're understanding of what we're shifting from to like third dimension to the fifth dimension, fourth density to fifth
Consciousness Evolution
00:39:29
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density. Like what, if you could frame that out for us.
00:39:34
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Yeah, so this is the beautiful thing about channeling both Ardiff and Treb. Ardiff, well Treb can be just as technical as Ardiff, but most of the time Ardiff speaks only at at the technical level. um Treb speaks more at the human level.
00:39:47
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So if If we want to understand the mechanics behind how consciousness works, consciousness started big and fractalized as small to have experience. So the universe fractalized into galaxies, galaxies fractalized into solar systems, solar systems to planets, planets to individual beings on the planets and also cycles. And so...
00:40:12
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There technically is a lot of stuff going on with how consciousness works. Part of evolution for consciousness is shifting as an entire species. So the incarnation cycle is a one species cycle from the very start to the very end.
00:40:29
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Some races, like, for example, the dinosaurs, right? um Well, let's take that example. It's a bad example. ah Any other animal that lived on Earth that went extinct at that time, they were born.
00:40:43
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ah they They were like single cell beings for a long, long time. Evolution, they grew. They changed into smaller reptilians and then larger ones. And eventually, they got to the place where they were very complex. And then, boom, they were done.
00:40:58
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No more of them ever again. So they went through a very small, simple cycle. Humans have gone through the same cycle, but we've added on this part of sentience, bipedal walking.
00:41:11
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That's a different layer. that's That's from the second density, which is animals, bacteria, plants, trees. a single cell life, anything that's living a second density up to where humans are.
00:41:23
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And then that's third density. So humans are third density. Dolphins are third density. Whales are third density. Very complex minded and behavioral creatures who understand linear time, who can look at their past.
00:41:38
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not as an act as an activation in the body like a dog. When they flinch from you, it's because they've been beaten. Do they vividly remember someone hitting them? Maybe, maybe not, but their body remembers. And their body senses danger, and animal instinct is built in their body, not in the mind.
00:41:56
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Humans are built in the mind. So that's the next level of evolution. You go past that and then you get to this fourth density, which is a higher dimensional plane of experience, but it's also where humans are developing their sense of self, their individuality, their identity, the linear time pathways.
00:42:17
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A fourth density develops the connection. So we're learning how to be individuals so eventually we can be a collective. And that's what fourth density is, is learning how to be a collective, whether that's a collective with the whole planet or a collective of little groups.
00:42:31
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It's different for every race, but that's part of the incarnation cycle. And then after that, fifth density is an exploration of wisdom and sixth density, Trev is in fifth density. So his, he's at the end of fifth density. So his is an exploration of wisdom.
00:42:47
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And then Aradif's, another dimension higher, but the exploration of mastery. Aradif's place in physical reality is the last place in physical reality you can go.
00:42:58
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One cycle, a fourth density to fifth density, can take a million years. It can take 10 million years. it could take It could take 500,000 years. It's different for every race depending on how they develop, what circumstances their planet gives them, lots of things. Like the Earth together is just one consciousness. And when it fractalizes down, it it has billions of these different insects and animals and humans.
00:43:23
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So as a collective, the collective kind of gets to choose that path. And then humans develop. And it's our choice. If we go to that next level, like we're in the process of doing now,
00:43:37
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then we'll see how far we go through until we're done. Like if we say we can't develop any more of our soul here, we can't develop any more experiences here, then we would just, you know, collectively find a way to wipe ourselves out and start over again.
00:43:52
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It's cycles and and it's cycles built off desire for experience. The soul, the non-physical stuff, the part that builds universes and planets and our souls, you know, our oversouls and all of the non-physical stuff, that stuff, all it wants is experience. That's why it breaks itself down from a universe to galaxies and and further down.
00:44:16
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It wants to experience every type of star that could ever exist in physical reality, every type of planet, every type of solar system, you know, and every type of physical being. And that's why...
00:44:28
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You know, not just earth with us, but billions of planets with billions of different type of archetypes and animals and plants and stuff that we don't even have imagination to create.
00:44:40
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The universe and its physical experience needs everything for experience. And this is why we're doing it. And once we're done with our cycle, we'll start it again somewhere else. We don't have to wait till after we're done with our cycle. As souls, we have a bit more freedom than than some places or or some beings have have kind of said, hey, this is the way it is.
00:45:00
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ah Freedom of choice exists in everything. Freedom of sovereignty exists with everything. So it's, that's the complex part. Yeah.
00:45:11
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The simple part is that right now we're shifting as a race, an entire race from looking at the individual self to looking how to be a collective. And that's, that's the growing pains that we're going through now.
00:45:25
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Dimensionally, energetically, consciousnessly, there's a lot of aspects to it. But if we want to just put it simple, we're learning how to experience earth in a new and different way.
00:45:37
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so that we can learn how to be a collective. And that's the simple, the simple. That's the Treb answer where the first one was the hard if answer. that
00:45:48
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What's your understanding of what that'll look like? Like, uh, Bashar has talked about, you know, being on the train and we're on the track and then there's this separation and then you're there and I'm here. However, that looks like is, do you have an indication of that?
00:46:05
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Yeah, so here's here's the thing. The very first channeling that I am aware of that talked about consciousness and its evolution was the raw material, and it talked about those going into densities.
00:46:20
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and Treb and Ardiff share those terms, but it's just a consciousness. Evolution is kind of based in those terms anyway. Um, but it was a very bleak look into that aspect and I'm not saying anything bad about the raw material. Um, Carla Ruckert was an amazing lady. I got to work with her before she passed on.
00:46:40
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so really um yeah, yeah. Not, to not like me and her one-on-one, but we did an event together. Um, and, and I got to meet her and connect with her. But the channeling was a very bleak look into that. It made it very reward versus punishment based like Christianity.
00:47:00
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I think a lot of it had to do with the time. The 1980s is when that channeling kind of ended. And I think it went from the 70s to 80s or maybe the 80s to 90s. But it was very dense energy at that time.
00:47:13
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And they were also deep trans channelers. I'm one of one of the very few that still deep trans channel. Um, I think there was some resistance there, the dynamic with a group with each other.
00:47:26
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i think the strict regimen in their own mind of how channeling worked, they believe that they had to do all these rituals and that if they didn't do the rituals, they could invite negative spirits. And that's a lot of really bad beliefs to have, in my opinion, when you're channeling, cause you're gonna literally allow yourself to create an experience of negative ETs taking over.
00:47:47
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they They very much had difficulties when writing the books about which entity it was that was coming in, if it was a trickster entity, if it wasn't. So there it was a messy dynamic. So I'm not taking away from what they're saying, but I think their interpretation of how consciousness evolves was very bleak.
00:48:03
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And I think it was very based into their own previous religious ideology, punishment and reward. Like those who don't finish their density will be reaped.
00:48:16
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That means their souls will come and they'll have to start all over again. Yeah. art and travis Harvest, right? like Harvest. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And Treb and Ardiff have equivocally said no, that's not how it works.
00:48:31
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You as a collective goes through the experience as individual souls, you could go piss off to some part of my friends, you could piss off to sixth density if you really want to, and like go to Pleiades if you really want to, but as a race, yes, it evolves together.
00:48:46
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So there's no, I mean, you can go into the same life and redo that life a hundred times if you really, really wanted to. When you leave your body and you join that other 80% of your soul up here or 90%, you won't want to, you'd be like, that's a waste of an experience. I could experience so many different cool things, but you could, you could do that if you wanted to you wanted to regress and go back to a tree. You could go do that if you really wanted to. That's seems to be the most interesting place. No, like the, the focus is on it.
00:49:19
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it For some souls, yeah when you start a cycle, I think the soul, the the passion that the soul has to finish that cycle is there. I think that's why humans get drawn back. I know there's a lot of bad beliefs about being trapped in Saturn's cube and a lot of the things, you know, with ah Demiurge and a lot of the agnostic belief systems really make it feel like it's a prison, but But if anything Treb and Arf says is true, it's not.
00:49:49
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it's It's one possible reality. Yeah, that doesn't resonate with me, but... Yeah. Yeah. So Treb told me one thing, and it stuck out my mind. The reason why so many beings come to Earth, besides the genetics, is a whole different story, and there's a lot of reason why they come back.
00:50:07
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ah for that but take that out of the equation the reason why souls and et's watch humans and are very interested interested in what we do treb said earth is one of the very few places where in one lifetime and one incarnation in one person in one day you can have someone who kills for money cold-blooded murderer go and and wipe someone off the face of the earth without second thought, no feelings, no emotions, and then go home to their child and tuck that kid in bed and have the most sincere, deep love in their heart.
00:50:48
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That spectrum of what one human at one time is capable of is really, it's different. Not a lot of students do it. So there's like this profoundness to the emotion of what you can experience.
00:51:03
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Well, to the emotion and and the possibility of that. Like Grays, their emotional spectrum is like an inch big. They're like, we don't have feelings. pretty yeah That's how we would see it. We're like, oh yeah, they don't have feelings.
00:51:15
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and Their feelings might be discomfort or comfort. You know what mean? It's a very low spectrum. of very We have absolute 100% disconnection possible.
00:51:27
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i i I experienced this when I went to drugs. I could care less if the world burned down. Even before that, I was predisposed with like, oh, I can hit someone in the face I've never met. i can ah pull a knife out to scare someone that I've never met.
00:51:42
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And it didn't bother me. I didn't feel bad. And then I could go home with my son and be like, oh, my God, I love you, buddy. You're the best thing in this world has to offer. And the more I felt love, the less I could do that. Right.
00:51:54
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But the drugs took me right back to that. So. I did that and I was one person in one experience. And then now I have a genuine compassion for every human. Like, oh my God, this person, you know, who's begging for money on the side of the road, who's using drugs, they're actually going through things and I wish I could help them with the core problem.
00:52:17
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You know what mean? So yeah, ah it, to have that happen in one lifetime is huge. It doesn't happen on many planets.
Family Life and Channeling
00:52:25
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It's interesting. So you can. experience so much here.
00:52:29
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um Ryan, we're, we're kind of winding down here. What is your highest excitement right now? What lights you up?
00:52:37
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My family has always been that that top layer of of excitement. I have my son and my daughter. i have a daughter um who just turned six ah earlier this year in June.
00:52:49
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um She has autism, nonverbal. She's a beautiful girl, but I've i've loved seeing her develop and grow. My son, who was supposed to be dead when he was a teenager, is now 26.
00:53:02
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Uh, and he was just told last year he's gonna, he, he's not gonna make it through the year. And then he, he just healed. Like as soon as we moved to this place, he just healed. So like these things are, are huge passions in my life right now.
00:53:16
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um the other one is my channeling. And right now, um, I've been traveling all year long. I've been to Japan twice to Spain, to California. uh, uh, Sedona I've been, I've been in a lot of places just in the last year.
00:53:31
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What I'm really excited about too is ah in November in West Virginia and Princeton, 14, 15, 16, the channel panel. And that's the event we were talking about. We have all these amazing channelers like Daryl Anka, um Wendy Kennedy, Jamie Price, myself.
00:53:48
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We have um Dolores Cannon's daughter, Julia Cannon, who's joining us. We got... um We've got JJ Brighton. We've got Sandrine.
00:53:59
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We've got Georgia. We've got my buddy Tyler Ellison. We got Portal 2. We got a ah bunch of people who are there for channeling who are all amazing longtime professional channelers.
00:54:12
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Lisa Wetzel, yeah, exactly. Lisa and um i I know I forgot. ah Roger Burnley, too. Roger Burnley is there. um So, yeah, this group of amazing, amazing channeler and myself. I'm also going to be channeling.
00:54:27
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um Yeah, we've got literally the the best group of channelers that we've had up to this point at this event. And you're doing a, was it a Metatron workshop or?
00:54:39
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Yeah, for me personally, I'm doing the Metatron matrix workshop, working the Metatron energies. You know, I talked about how the environment around me changes. It's not the only thing that changes when I mess with Metatron.
00:54:50
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Whenever I channel him, like it pushes my life into the direction of places I wanted to go, but had reservations about. Yeah. So I'm teaching about that there. um And all the presenters are going to be on the main stage doing Q&A with the audience. So Um, yeah, we're doing it in person with the workshops in person with ah the three days. And then on live stream, we're doing the, uh, three day thing too. So it'll be amazing.
00:55:14
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It'd be a great event. ah well Um, well, I'm, I mean, I'm excited to go and finally kind of see all of you. in person that I feel like I've had this relationship with for years, watching you on various platforms and whatnot. Um, you know, so I'm definitely excited to see you guys and, and and yeah, it'll be great. I it's kind of funny. We just talk about Metatron. We didn't get into Metatron, but, uh, one of my first Oracle decks was an art, like an angel deck. And I pulled the Metatron card.
00:55:50
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And then I pulled, like I've shuffled it, then I pulled it again and then I got a little bit nervous and then like I shuffled it and I pulled Metatron again and then I got like scared and like put it away.
00:56:02
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ah Cause I don't even know really who Metatron is at that time, but it was just like, okay, something's going on here. Metatron is very intense. Um,
00:56:16
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Like short story, i know we don't have a ton of time. I wanted to move out of the place that was violence, lots of things. My, my baby who was, had just been born at the time she was there and like six months after we moved in the pandemic hit. So all the crime, drugs, violence, all comes down to us.
00:56:35
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I'm used to those things. I don't mind living around that because I've been there. I've done that. I, People, everyone there loved me. I'm i'm not gonna be a part of that.
00:56:46
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But my kids, on the other hand, not so good. So there was a shooting that happened right outside our window. ah guy was shooting at cops. And I was like, we've got to get out of here. And within a week of channeling Metatron, I think it was actually three or four days. i hadn't channeled him for two years.
00:57:02
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I channeled him, our apartment flooded. We got pushed to the other side of complex where it was quieter, nicer. I channeled him again a couple months after that. And then all a sudden, uh, things started happening with work and I'm traveling. And then I channeled him recently and then I moved out to my new place.
00:57:18
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So like every time I channel him, things happen in my life. that I want to happen and I just can't figure out how to. So Metatron is a huge, huge pushing energy and that's why people are afraid of them. They're like, oh my God, it's very forceful energy.
00:57:34
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um But in in the best way possible. Scary sometimes, you know, kind of like the tower a card that you get, you know, or or a death card, you know, it's got to be broken down before it can be built back up, but amazing stuff.
Self-Creation and Life Acceptance
00:57:49
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Rob, do you have time for like one more question? Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Well, as, as you look back on your, your journey, all the challenges and you know, awakenings and and all the people you've helped, what's the one piece of wisdom that you've learned that you wish you could whisper into your younger self?
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You know, honestly, my younger self needed to be exactly where they were. i think, think. i think if I were to whisper into my children's ear as they get older, maybe, maybe even my younger self, um,
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That we create what what happens around us, all the good stuff, all the bad stuff that we're, we're at the core center of creating that. And it's hard to accept at first. And when it's accepting, when you first accept it's like very exciting. And then the horror sets in like, oh my God, i create a holy, hey yeah like understanding that you create versus knowing that you create very different of things.
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Um, But I mean, that's that's the whole core message around all of the channeling I do is that you're you're at the centerpiece. You're the one creating. You are the creator of your reality. And that's um it's important for everyone to know. And you know not everyone has the spiritual context or the other framing that they can use that kind of put that to ah to a level they can understand.
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But it's amazing how many people I've been able to ah share in a way that I knew that they could receive. The same reason i I could create a million YouTube channels and teach people. i understand people very deeply and I know what they need to hear.
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So it's different for everyone, you know, but when they understand what parts of the problems that they're creating in their life and what part of the solution they create, you just gave them a whole new way to live their life.
00:59:50
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And I think that's really important. Yeah. I mean, that was going to be my, my next question to end on was, you know, for someone who's stuck right now, what would you want them to know? you know the passion thing that the key to everything if you follow what you're excited about you literally will find the next door like you might not find the solution like you're thinking hey i need this and this and this to happen in order for me to be happy and i need this and this no you just need to get to the next spot where you find your next excitement just keep following eventually it will lead you to that right door sometimes it takes many doors to go through it depends on how far back you are from your actual
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desired purpose in life. You know, um sometimes people say, ah I want to be a doctor, but what they really mean is I want to help people heal or, hey, I want to be rich when what they really mean is I want freedom.
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You know, it starts with being honest with yourself and and then letting yourself go through the doors you need to and be being open to any possibility. Yeah, that's a big one. Being honest with yourself, like asking the question, but answering yourself honestly.
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That's one I still work with. I work on every day. One everybody works on every day. That's a good, and thank you for your, you know, being honest with like just your humility with that. But that absolutely. Right. Like that is you, we, we that that goes back to the non-judgment, right? Where it's like, yeah, I asked myself the same thing too. It's not like I've mastered this yet.
01:01:22
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Well, this is the other thing that really, it it it brings me a tough time in our community. People think I'm going through my spiritual journey to be enlightened.
01:01:34
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But but we're we're not at that part of our evolution yet. We we don't get to be enlightened. you know Even Trebonard, if by our standards, they are enlightened. They are supreme thinkers and feelers and ideologues, right?
01:01:49
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But they they they would say, no, I'm not enlightened. You're not enlightened when you're in a physical body. When you're in a physical body, whether it's a very... low physical body like artists or ah little lower and or a little more physical like trebs or very physical like mine you're disconnected from source and that's what that's what divinity is that's what enlightenment is is being connected to source we don't get that when we're in a body So the whole purpose of learning spirituality isn't to be enlightened. It's to learn how to react to the experiences that we are going to go through as souls here on earth.
01:02:28
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I'm fortunate. I've learned a lot of those lessons early. Um, but I also experience things very physically. Like people are like, oh, the spiritual experience you have in channeling. Yeah, that's very spiritual for me.
01:02:41
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But the most spiritual things I do is picking up my daughter and giving her a hug and feeling her joy. um walking through the woods and having the wind blowing in. That's the most spiritual thing I can get.
01:02:55
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um as beautiful as all my channeling is, as beautiful as my connections to the higher dimensions are. It's all about what we're doing down here. So just remember, you know, take the spiritual lessons for spiritual progression.
01:03:08
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And what spiritual progression looks like is, is your day better the day before or now? And if it's now, that's great. And if it's not, it's okay.
01:03:19
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We still have more days to go. you know what i mean?
Spiritual Progression and Presence
01:03:21
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It's about using the tools you have to do the best you can with it. And if you're doing that, you're you're winning. Yeah, there's a an author named Damian Eccles that he he spent like almost 20 years on death row, but he writes, he went on this and spiritual path, but he talks about it and articulates, if you're familiar with him, just embodied presses presence, what you just talk about. Like he says, that's the philosopher stone, right? Like that moment you described, like picking up your daughter, like that is the moment.
01:03:55
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Like that is, you know, that's the beauty. That's the wonder. I I've heard of him. i almost had a chance to meet him in Japan. My buddy Tyler, who I channel with very, he knows him and is good friends with him.
01:04:08
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He worked with him for a long time. He was going to have him come and speak in Japan, ah while we were there. um but he, he couldn't get there. So I don't know what he teaches. I've heard about him and I knew he was on death row with the, um,
01:04:24
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the really big case, the what something eight but West Memphis three. Thank you. Yeah. And the only reason I knew about them is my favorite band did a song for their tribute album to help them get released.
01:04:36
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So yeah, I'm hearing all this from my buddy Tyler and I'm filling in the blanks like, oh shit, that is crazy. And, uh, yeah, so I don't know about his teaching, but it sounds right. It sounds right to me.
01:04:48
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Yeah, no, i he he writes about what you just described, just kind of connect the dots for me. It's like, you know, that's that's the beauty. That's the wonder. You know, it's putting all these things into practice in your daily life, right? Like it's not this woo-woo path like, oh, i'm I'm enlightened or I don't want to be here anymore. It's like, no, we're here. Like we're all here together.
01:05:09
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Yeah, this is this is what our souls want us to do, so enjoy. ah we get to be limitless souls for eternity. We're only doing this life once, unless you really want to do it again.
01:05:22
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But this is what it's about. This is why our souls and have physical bodies. So so do the work. Enjoy. it Have fun. you know were Put in the work. It does take work, doesn't it?
01:05:34
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It does. It does, just like anything. you can't You can't create... events for channelers and not do anything you know what mean you can't help clients to find inner peace and and mindfulness or meditation or have counseling with people if you don't do your work first you know we all have work to do that's part of being physical too absolutely absolutely um rob hey it's been an absolute pleasure thank you so much i look forward to meeting you and thank you for everything you do my man
01:06:05
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Well, thank you for having me on. I can't wait to give you a big hug. Thank you so much for for having me on. And this chat was beautiful. I loved it. Thank you for joining me on the Journey Mindfulness Podcast, where we explore the edges of consciousness, the depth of the soul, and the practices that bring it all into daily life.
01:06:22
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