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37 - James Bulger and Daniel LaPlante
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Sam shares the tragic story of James Bulger, a two-year-old boy whose abduction and murder in 1993 shook the UK and the world. Jeff tells the horrifying story of Daniel LaPlante, a man whose crimes escalated from stalking and home invasion to brutal murder.
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Show Introduction
00:00:01
Jeff Rogers
Hello, Sam. Hi, Jeffrey.
00:00:25
Jeff Rogers
Yoo-hoo. Yoo-hoo. How are you? I'm well, um, we don't have too much to share today because this episode is coming to you, um, while we are on a transatlantic flight to London. So I know we've been talking about it a million times, but here it is. And so there's not much to share because we're about to embark on such an adventure. We're going to go to Notting Hill, stay in Notting Hill. It's going to be great.
00:00:58
Jeff Rogers
ah for the record like because we are such technical geniuses delicate we just recorded a show that disappeared into the universe it's out there somewhere and jeff has a new stand for his laptop it's beautiful can i tell you i put the stand up i move stuff around and when i move stuff around a cord fell out of the audio box and i was like And I didn't move for like five seconds. Hoping you would put itself back. I don't know how, what if it's like Humpty Dumpty? If this shit falls apart, it's never getting put back together. Puttin'. It's never getting puttin' back together. Sounds about right. Okay, so, ah welcome to The Rabbit Hole with Jeff and Sam. I'm Jeff. And I'm Sam. Hey, hey, hey. And you can find this show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, and Amazon.
00:01:55
Jeff Rogers
But as you so eloquently said the last time, if you're already listening to us, then you know where to find us. So instead of just being selfish and listening yourself, share us. Share with a friend. Things are better when you share.
00:02:06
Jeff Rogers
They are. Yes. Some things. So ah drinking, the drink of the day is poppy cherry cola. Didn't even know a pre-bought it was a thing. It is. It is indeed. And we're drinking ours. Yes, we are. And we're going to just get straight to it for that one person that didn't like to hear us blab. This is for you today. This is indeed.
The Tragic Case of James Bulger
00:02:29
Jeff Rogers
OK, so coming to you from London, my story takes place in that lovely Lovely place, however, ah this is not a good story. And for those of you that are faint of heart or more sensitive, just don't listen. For those of you that are afraid of what? Faint of heart. Okay. I thought you said something about fart. And I was like, wait, what? Where do we go? Shitei. Shitei. Shitei. Okay, so I'm ah all laughter aside. This is a bad story. Very bad.
00:03:05
Jeff Rogers
To this day, the story that follows is still known as one of the most notorious and disturbing murders in British history. On February 12th, 1993, two-year-old James Bulger was out running errands and shopping with his mother. At the New Strand Shopping Center in Boodle, Merseyside, England, she stopped at a butcher shop to place an order. One moment he was there at her side, then she looked down and he was gone.
00:03:34
Jeff Rogers
Two days later, James's body was found four kilometers away on railroad tracks in Walton, Liverpool. He had been violently tortured and mutilated before being murdered. His tiny body had been cut in half by a passing train. CCTV footage from that day showed James with his mom at the counter at 1540 when she let go of his hand to pay. At 1542,
00:04:00
Jeff Rogers
He was seen walking out of the shopping center, holding hands with two boys who were later identified as 10-year-olds Robert Thompson and John Venables, who were known for playing truant and playing hooky from school. The two boys had been seen on camera throughout the day earlier, watching other children and shoplifting from many vendors. Shortly after leaving the shopping center, James obtained facial injuries when the boys took him to Leeds and Liverpool Canal,
00:04:29
Jeff Rogers
and dropped him onto his face. They proceeded to walk about two and a half more miles. They were seen by at least 38 people on their walk. One witness recalled seeing James crying his eyes out. Two individuals approached the trio out of concern and the older boys easily lied about the circumstances. To one, they explained that James was one of their younger brothers and was just upset. To another, they explained that he was lost and they were taking him to the police station.
00:05:00
Jeff Rogers
They ended in Walton, just across the street from the Walton Lane Police Station. They had previously contemplated pushing him into into oncoming traffic, but they hesitated at the site of the station and changed their plans. They took him up a steep bank to a railway line, merely 200 yards from the police. One of the boys threw blue paint in James' eye, paint that they had stolen. They threw stones and bricks at him. They kicked and punched him.
00:05:30
Jeff Rogers
stomped on him while he was on the ground and forced stolen batteries into his mouth. Together, the boys dropped a 10 kilogram or 22 pound railway fish plate, also known as a splice bar or joint bar, which is a large metal or composite connecting plate that bolts the two ends of a rail into a continuous track. They dropped it right on his head. The impact alone caused 10 skull fractures.
00:06:00
Jeff Rogers
In an attempt to make this brutal crime appear to be an accident, Thompson and Venables laid James' body across the tracks and weighed his head down under some rubble. The boy was so badly beaten with more than 42 injuries, the medical examiner was unable to determine the fatal blow. He was found with nothing on from the waist down. Sexual assault was suspected because his foreskin had been forcibly pulled back.
00:06:29
Jeff Rogers
The suspects were reluctant to address this aspect of the assault when police and psychiatrists questioned and assessed them. Initially, the CCTV footage was not the best quality and all they could determine was that James had left the center with what looked like possibly two teenage boys. The police got a break when a woman recognized Venables on the TV after the images had been enhanced. Police and the public were mortified to learn just how young the suspects were.
00:06:57
Jeff Rogers
Both boys were found to have the same blue paint on their clothing as was found on James's body. There was blood on both boys' shoes that was a DNA match to James. Thompson's shoe tread matched bruising patterns found on James's cheek. On February 20th, the boys were charged. The case sparked protests and rioting. After repeated death threats, the parents were from the parents of the accused were removed to different parts of the country and given new names. Both boys at 10 years old were tried in adult court and both denied all charges. The defense team tried to argue something called defense of infancy, claiming that the boys could not be held legally responsible for their actions. However, both were found by the courts to be capable of mischievous discretion, basically saying that they could act with criminal intent and were mature enough to know that what they were doing was wrong.
00:07:57
Jeff Rogers
Two separate child psychiatrists confirmed that both boys were very well aware of their actions. Lawrence Lee, Venable's lawyer, later admitted that Thompson was, quote, one of the most frightening children he had ever seen. By the end of November at the age of 11, both boys were found guilty of murder, the youngest convicted murderers of the 20th century. That's insane.
00:08:20
Jeff Rogers
The judge said to them that they, quote, committed a crime of unparalleled evil and barbarity. In my judgment, your conduct was both cunning and very wicked. He recommended a minimum of eight years, but also emphasized they should be kept in custody for a very, very many years. A higher ranking judge recommended a minimum of 10 years. In July, 1994, after a petition signed by more than 280,000 was given to the home secretary,
00:08:49
Jeff Rogers
the minimum sentence was increased to 15 years. Amidst increasing tension surrounding the case, this decision was overturned in 1997. By June, 2001, a parole board ruled that the boys were no longer a threat to public safety and they could be released. Understandably, James Bulger's family dissolved in the wake of the murder and the trial. However, later, both parents ended up remarrying with and having additional children.
00:09:19
Jeff Rogers
The case was tumultuous and caused mayhem for many years. John Venables was in and out of prison for numerous different offenses over the years up to his latest convention conviction in 2019. After his release, not much is known about Robert Thompson. He was given a new identity and moved out of the country. The case was tragic and caused controversy of all sorts. There's no happy ending or redemption.
00:09:46
Jeff Rogers
Two-year-old James Bulger was an innocent and sweet boy who was loved by all, and he was taken too soon. God, that's an awful story. Yeah. And they were how old? 10. 10. 10. Yeah. That's a heinous act at 10 years old. 10 years old. and Like, to have that evil in you, I mean...
00:10:08
Jeff Rogers
So like the question for parole, do you think anybody is at risk again? It's one of the questions, right? Yeah. Come on. And I mean, it's just, it's just too much. I mean, they, they, they spent all day at the shopping center and you can see them on the footage.
00:10:30
Jeff Rogers
watching and and stalking other boys. They had attempted to take a a different young boy earlier in the day, but the mom intervened. um And they had stolen things and those things that they stole throughout the day were used to violate and torture James like there's plenty of elements of intent and forethought in this, you know, they planned and they They weren't good kids. Yeah. And they were 10 and they were 10, but, but, and they were 10. Like, you know, that's old enough. That's old enough.
The Haunting of Karen and Tina Bowen
00:11:07
Jeff Rogers
And that, I mean, does that not tell you that they're just going to be bad adults when they're stronger and bigger and right.
00:11:17
Jeff Rogers
right
00:11:20
Jeff Rogers
Well, good job. Thanks. Perfect story. Jesus. the Okay. I have a story for you. Do share. um Interesting story. So I'll start by telling you.
00:11:37
Jeff Rogers
The main source that I used was an article on Medium, and it's, along with all the other sources that we use, as always in the show notes, um, Evil Spirit in the House. Right, Sam? Yes. So I'm going to start this story in October of 1986. Karen and Tina Bowen are teenagers, and Frank is their father. The family had just suffered a huge loss. It was the loss of their mom, Frank's wife.
00:12:04
Jeff Rogers
So they're really going through it. On top of this, um their mom brought in half of the income. Soon and after she died from cancer, Frank started picking up extra shifts to make ends meet. This meant that Karen and Tina were home alone a lot, especially in the evening. And one night they were laying in the bed and one of them said something like, I know a way we can talk to mom one more time. Never ends well. So they pull out a Ouija board and they proceed to do a seance.
00:12:34
Jeff Rogers
Did you ever do a seance? Do you think I ever did a seance? A lot. No. Never. I might be witchy, but I'm i'm good. You stay in your your realm, I'm gonna stay in my mind. Right. Please don't come visit me. So they really aren't expecting anything to happen. They're teenage girls. And they were really grief-stricken teenage girls who just lost their mom, but to them it was worth a shot. So they do the seance. So dumb. And nothing happened. But nothing happened immediately, that is.
00:13:01
Jeff Rogers
Well yeah, but like I said, you know that as soon as you start fucking around with a Ouija board, you open all sorts of doors and anything can walk through. But that night, there was a constant knocking on the bedroom walls, and it woke them up. And the girls were a little scared at this point. They were slightly freaked out. So they pulled the Ouija board out, and one more time, they tried to communicate with the spirit that was knocking on the wall. Maybe, just maybe, they thought they were talking to their mom. That's never the answer. They asked questions to the spirit, and they said, if the answer is yes, knock on the wall. They asked, is this mom? And there was knocking on the wall.
00:13:42
Jeff Rogers
oh dramatic and Karen and Tina they're beyond ecstatic because now just now maybe they're talking to their mom one more time and they did this the next time more knocking on the wall and they did it the night after that again more knocking on the wall eventually though the knocking wouldn't stop the knocking was so much that the girls couldn't sleep at night And then after a while it wasn't just knocking, stuff in their house started to disappear. The items that had once laid on the table were now gone, and the next day the items would be strewn all over the floor. The girls even came home from school one day to find a lot of their furniture had been moved around. Like from one side of the room to the other side of the room. You're shaking your head no. I just i just think it's stupid and I get grief, I get it, but there's no amount of grief that makes this okay.
00:14:34
Jeff Rogers
well leave the dead be. Amen. And then the TV channels were changing like they would walk out of the room, come back on a TV channel, it would be on a different channel. And more items were being rearranged and oddly enough the milk in the fridge was disappearing. Full bottles of alcohol would also disappear and they would later reappear but empty.
00:14:55
Jeff Rogers
Karen and Tina didn't think this was their mom anymore and they had checked out the house and there was nobody there. They thought they were dealing with maybe an evil spirit rather than their mom at this time. The girls had told their dad all of this because at this point they were really scared. I mean they literally thought they had brought forth an evil spirit.
00:15:15
Jeff Rogers
And the dead Frank reacted in a way that I think a lot of our parents would react. He thought maybe they were playing a joke. Maybe this was some kind of crazy twisted joke that they were playing. And Frank also understood that grief is a heavy thing to go through. Maybe this is part of the grief experience that they're having. He didn't minimize what they were going through it. Instead, he sort of explained how grief can affect people. And it takes time to heal after losing someone that you love.
00:15:41
Jeff Rogers
The knocking stopped for a while, but in January of 1987, it started back, and it was constant, and it was driving the girls insane. Dads work in the evening shift, but this night it was a little different. The noises didn't sound like they were coming from the walls like they had before. It sounded like it was coming from the basement. So both of the girls jumped up, they ran into the kitchen, and they head to the basement. But first while they're in the kitchen, they both grab a knife.
00:16:10
Jeff Rogers
Because again, two female girls are going to be very effective in killing an evil spirit with kitchen knives. Right? I'm just imagining myself in this situation. I'm not. You're gone. Dead. but I'm not. No. I think two teenage girls would have a better chance. I don't doubt that. Nellie Queen screaming. No. i this you don't they need to watch more horror movies yeah because everyone that goes towards the sound follows the blood trail or like tries to investigate anything, dies. right So don't. So these girls, they run into the kitchen, they grab their knives, and then they head to the basement down the stairs. Once they got to the bottom of the stairs, they saw something really fucking horrifying. Written in blood red right there on the wall was a message, I'm in your room. Come find
The Crimes of Daniel LaPlante
00:17:06
Jeff Rogers
me. fuck
00:17:07
Jeff Rogers
like and the girls started running up the stairs they ran as fast as they could they ran out of the house they ran right over to the neighbor's house i mean they were freaked out so they waited for their dad to come home to the neighbor's house to pick him up and frank was bewildered like he thought maybe the girls needed grief counseling he didn't know what to do other than hey maybe they need grief counseling which is fair he believed that the loss of the mom was just so hard for them that they're creating this kind of experience somehow So Karen and Tina, they start grief counseling. And for a while, the things seemed to be improving. And then a few weeks later, the knocking started it again. This time, the sound was coming from behind Tina's wall in her bedroom. So the girls went to look in the room where the wall was, and they found another message. Again, written in blood red, but this time it said, marry me.
00:18:00
Jeff Rogers
they run out of the house and right back over to the neighbors they were horrified they were terrified and they waited on their dad to get home this time frank was pissed and he placed all the blame on the girls it is their fault i'm just saying or is it fuck around and find out that's what they're doing they're finding out On December 6th, 1987, Frank, the girls, and the neighbor, they had all gone out for the evening, maybe to see a movie or to have dinner. And when they returned back home, they saw that somebody had used the toilet and some of the items were out of place. Now Frank had been with the girls all evening, so he couldn't blame them now. And now Frank has freaked out. He can still blame them. Frank searched the house. He almost, like he went through the whole house, right? Top to bottom.
00:18:48
Jeff Rogers
looking down the stairs, he looked everywhere, but there was he remembered there was one closet that he hadn't looked in yet. So Frank goes into that room and he opened the closet door and he found the intruder. And the intruder was a young man, or I don't know, maybe it was a man, they couldn't really tell. The person had dark spiked hair, a painted face like a clown. And there were some reports that the intruder was wearing the dress that belonged to their mom.
00:19:18
Jeff Rogers
But the official report said just a big jacket. And the also the intruder had a hatchet in one hand and a still wrench in the other hand. Frank said that the intruder ordered them in a very calm manner into the bedroom. But Tina escaped. And she was like, no. And she ran to the neighbor's house and called 911. Police show up immediately.
00:19:43
Jeff Rogers
I mean like within minutes, but the intruder had already disappeared really quickly. This is a fucking spirit. Just vanished into thin air. They described the intruder as a mill between 16 to 27 years of age and about six feet tall. Next, they tried to figure out how the intruder got into the house. There was absolutely no sign of forced entry. But Frank was like, don't care. I'm out of here. He packed their shit. He went to a hotel with the girls. Two days later, on the 10th of December, the officers had received another 911 call from the Bowen residence.
00:20:20
Jeff Rogers
When Officer Bessenson arrived at 93 Lawrence Street, he was met by Frank. Frank told Officer Bessenson that he came to pick up a few more things, but when he got there, he saw a face in the window upstairs. And the face was also painted like before. So it was the same person as it was two days earlier. Officer Bessenson immediately started going around the house to do a perimeter check, because he's on it. He's like, yo, I know about this.
00:20:49
Jeff Rogers
we're gonna seal off the house make sure nobody gets in or gets out and it had snowed the day before so if the officer was looking for footprints in the snow there were none of course exactly no footprints in the snow Officer Bessenson thought maybe Frank got it wrong. Maybe he just thought he saw someone. So Officer Bessenson decided to walk into the house. And the moment that he walked in, he knew that Frank was right. He said, when I opened the door on the right-hand wall, I saw a knife sticking out of the wall.
00:21:26
Jeff Rogers
And I see the knife is through a picture, a family picture. And written on the picture in magic marker said, I'm still here, come find me.
00:21:37
Jeff Rogers
ah Now the hair goes up on the back of my head. And on the other wall, I see another picture saying, I'm going to kill you, all of you with a knife. Like the picture has the knife stuck through it. And on the picture is, I'm gonna kill all of you.
00:21:55
Jeff Rogers
i So, offer bez Officer Beselson, he called for backup immediately, and like two more officers came. They combed through the house. Did any of them call a priest? Or a rabbi? Or anyone? They were looking everywhere in the house though, and they knew that somewhere in that house, somebody is hiding. And then, Officer Beselson had a realization.
00:22:21
Jeff Rogers
He said, it occurred to him to check the walls. He said, oh, and that wall over there, that's to hide pipes. And I'm thinking, son of a bitch, there's enough room back there. I have one hand on the back of my, the butt of my pistol. I saw but like a pile of clothes and it totally covered a person. He said, that's him. I pulled my pistol out and I said,
00:22:48
Jeff Rogers
I've got the son of a bitch right here. He said, let me see your hands or I'll splatter you your brains all over the wall. So he found them. He was hidden in the walls of the house because in these old houses, there's all these walls that are for plumbing.
00:23:06
Jeff Rogers
Yeah. So this is when Officer Bessenson really noticed. He said, quote, this is when I saw Daniel and Daniel I could tell was really bad. He wasn't afraid. He looked out of the corner of his eye. He wasn't afraid to have a gun stuck next to his head. The man that the officer found was named Daniel LaPlante. Do you have any idea who I'm talking about?
00:23:35
Jeff Rogers
I know the name. He had been hiding in their walls all along and he was arrested. Daniel LaPlante was born in 1970 in Townsend, Massachusetts. And so if you think about it, he was 17 years old at this time. Okay. So it took 10 months. So, uh,
00:23:59
Jeff Rogers
Here's the thing, this is where it connects to your story, which I find kind of interesting. Daniel was arrested immediately. Breaking and entering, whatever the charges were, right? Oddly and horrifyingly enough, he was granted bail. So his mom re-mortgaged the house to pay the bail. And it took 10 months for his mom to raise the money, but in October of 1987, Daniel was essentially free.
00:24:24
Jeff Rogers
Which, side note, some people really question the judge's decision. like Once Daniel was out, he went right back to crime. And there's what I was telling you when I read the stuff for this story. like There's essentially like five questions that must be answered before you can let somebody out. right And once Daniel was out, he went right back to crime. He committed robberies in November of 1987. And this is a famous story, too. so um So we went through all that. He stole the guns and he broke into another local home that belonged to the Gustafsons. He stole a couple of things from them, but the next month Daniel broke back into the Gustafson home and in that home he found Priscilla, age 33. She was a teacher who happened to be pregnant and her son William was there as well. He forced them at gunpoint into the bedroom where he sexually assaulted Priscilla and then he shot her in the head twice. He then drowned William.
00:25:26
Jeff Rogers
As he was leaving, cute seven-year-old Abigail was coming in the front door. She had just gotten off the bus from school and she was looking right at Daniel and Daniel drowned her as he had done William. Then Daniel went home to a birthday party like nothing ever happened. um Eventually, Andrew Gustafson would come home and find his family dead.
00:25:52
Jeff Rogers
There was zero evidence to the police that Daniel had committed these horrific crimes, but they knew without a doubt that it was Daniel. Because he's out and suddenly this stuff is happening in the same neighborhood where he lives. Didn't even try to go for her. They went to Daniel's house, but he wasn't there. But now they knew that he had a gun and that he was armed and dangerous. Because he wasn't before?
00:26:17
Jeff Rogers
Right. So the cops set out to find him as soon as they could. ah They used an old mugshot to show people to kind of try to find his location. And when Lynn McGovern arrived to her house, she knew she felt something in her gut that something was wrong. Something didn't add up. She'd been running errands when she pulled into her driveway and saw the cops setting up perimeter. Something felt really off to her. Was it the cops?
00:26:47
Jeff Rogers
no no it wasn't so when she got out of her car she had this overwhelming sense of kind of uneasiness right it's your gut instinct your fucking gut instinct don't go against it she sat in the car for 10 more minutes and then an officer just so happened to pull up behind her she jumped out of her car she ran over to the officer and she said yeah i've got this feeling can you just go check the house can you go Just check it for me, right? And so the officer, he said yes and he went into Lynn's house and they heard a noise upstairs and the cop headed right up the stairs where he saw Daniel drop his weapon and then jump out of the second story window. The officers called it in, but Daniel had vanished into the woods somewhere. So now they can't find Daniel again. Officers searched and searched and then they decided to go back to Daniel's house on Elm Street.
00:27:43
Jeff Rogers
Sometimes criminals go back to their homes the officers thought and at this point like the police pulled up to Daniel's house and they heard screams But the screams weren't coming from Daniel's house. They were coming from the neighbor's house So the woman screaming her name was Pam Pam had returned home to find a man inside with a gun She knew it was Daniel LaPlante Daniel was telling Pam that she was gonna have to drive him out of town she OK, so she was like planning on leaving with Daniel because she was being forced to. Right before she left, her phone rang and it was a relative warning Pam to be careful because Daniel is on the loose. There we go. And Pam was fucking terrified because she couldn't say anything because Daniel was staring right at her. You know, can you imagine you're on the phone and they're saying. You turn around and they're just there and you're like,
00:28:39
Jeff Rogers
and Daniel staring right at you. So Pam hung up the phone, Pam pulled out onto Elm Street with Daniel in the car, and she was passing a neighbor named Ed. Now Pam knew at this moment this was the only moment she had to escape, like the only moment. So Pam slammed on her brakes, she jumped out of her car,
00:29:00
Jeff Rogers
She got out of the car as soon as she could and she ran over to Ed's house. Pam was safe now. Daniel sped away in her car in his, well, Daniel then slipped over into her seat and he sped away in her car. But Daniel was now driving Pam's bright orange van with a huge four cell sign on it. So it was easily found. And when the police found the car, Daniel was nowhere to be found.
00:29:25
Jeff Rogers
And they knew that he could hide in small spaces. So they searched and searched. Eventually they found him curled up in the dumpster. and Daniel was arrested for a second time. He was sentenced to three life sentences for the murder of Priscilla. Murders of Priscilla.
00:29:42
Jeff Rogers
William and Abigail. He showed how much remorse do they show? Absolutely no remorse. And a psychological assessment revealed that he had a multitude of personality disorders. Shocker. Ultimately, Frank, the father, he died at the age of 50. He's sort of like him and his daughters went in different directions. That's a lot of trauma for our family to go through.
00:30:08
Jeff Rogers
They were severely impacted, not only by the loss of their mom, but by the in invasion of Daniel LaPlante into their home. So LaPlante basically tore the Bowen family apart. And Andrew Gustafsson died in 2014. He's the husband and the father of the murdered victims. He, on his dying bed, allegedly he said, don't ever let him out. He should rot in prison.
00:30:34
Jeff Rogers
You know how to be paroled, you have to show a little bit of remorse, right? So in 2017, Daniel LaPlante wrote a long statement showing so much remorse for the murders that he committed. It's online, you can read it if you want.
00:30:53
Jeff Rogers
Upon review of Daniel's parole appearance in 2017, the court had not forgotten his crimes. So it was four nightmares and four separate homes carried out on nine people. Eight were kidnapped, three were murdered. The court decided that because of this, Daniel the plant did not deserve to see the light of day.
00:31:19
Jeff Rogers
The judge ordered that he could not apply for parole for 45 years. And that will be in 2062. And that is the horrifying story of Daniel LaPlante. That man is truly a monster. Like the judge said, the judge said other stuff too, like probably one of the scariest people he'd ever seen. No remorse, absolute psychopath.
00:31:45
Jeff Rogers
and and okay we go back to the little girl or the teenagers that he broke into their home when he was like he this was 87 86 so he was 16 17 years old and one of the stories of why them why he chose to break into their home he had like the last name was Bowen so side note I don't even know if that's their real names because they were teenagers at the time that's the names I went with it may not be their real names but it really happened to two teenage girls but he went through the phone book he saw this teenager Tina Bowen and he went through the phone book and called every Bowen in the phone book and he would ask for Tina is Tina there is Tina there and he finally called the house with Tina that's the girl he was looking for because he went to school with her and so he called Tina and started talking to Tina and Tina
00:32:39
Jeff Rogers
she was talking back to him he described himself as like a handsome football player jot kind of person and said they should go out on a date and Tina went out on a date with him and it was the one and only date because while they were on the date Um, the subject of the date, the only thing that Daniel LaPlante wanted to talk about on this date was the death of her mom. He wanted to know all of the details of the death of her mom. So Tina was like, okay, never went out with him again. And now all of a sudden he's living in their house. Like he chose their house to go. They all say they shouldn't have used the fucking Ouija board. I'm just saying.
00:33:27
Jeff Rogers
because that just opens you up for all this shit, okay? So whether or not I was a human or a demon in Daniel's body, just don't fuck around. So that's the story of Daniel LaPlant. What'd you think about that? Yeah. Well done. That's horrific, wasn't it?
A Lost Dog's Adventure
00:33:45
Jeff Rogers
Well done. I had to tell it. I saw that story on Mr. Bolin on YouTube one night. Dude's so good with telling his stories. I mean, he's ah he's gifted. And I thought, I've got to tell that story in some way. I'm not going to tell it like him. But he gave me the inspiration for telling it. Well done.
00:34:05
Jeff Rogers
Um, do you want to hear a happier little story? Yeah. About a lost dog? As long as it doesn't end in death. Okay. So Bonnie, that was the dog, she escaped. Paul Closure was worried that he would never see his dog again. Um, but Paul's great relief, he soon, like he was relieved because Bonnie soon returned.
00:34:34
Jeff Rogers
a well she was well and alive and she also had a ribbon on so what happened was tell me what happened so they opened the door one morning and the dog runs out yes and it took two minutes and the dog ran out and ah immediately they were like oh my god she she is now on the streets she's gone they looked everywhere they spent like the whole day looking for her this man was driving down the road and he saw the dog and he owned dogs himself himself and he was a lovely person thank god so he took the dog and he posted on facebook that yo this dog this is in surrey england and local facebook group this dog is missing i have this dog and he was also on the way to take his own dog to
00:35:28
Jeff Rogers
a dog show where his dog was going to be entered in the dog show. And he decided to take this little dog to the dog show as well and enter this little dog in the dog show and the dog won third place. ah This is the dog that escaped.
Episode Conclusion
00:35:44
Jeff Rogers
Yes, Bonnie won third place.
00:35:47
Jeff Rogers
After the dog show was over, like the owners of the dog called and they were like, that's my dog. And he said, great, I'll be right over. And he took Bonnie back home with a third place ribbon. She had to go Bonnie. She just wanted to go show off. Right. She just had to get out to show off a little bit. Then she came right back home. Jesus. I love that story. Way to go, Bonnie. Yes. ah That's it.
00:36:14
Jeff Rogers
We had this whole brilliant show was done for you and then it disappeared into the universe, but we hoped you liked that one. um Sam is yawning. Her mouth just looked like she was gonna swallow the world whole right there. That's it. Thank you guys for listening. Alan, you're our overqualified or underpaid master publisher extraordinaire. And Ashley, our ultimate and epically unmatched type queen editor. Together, you're our first and forever fans. Bye, everybody.