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Nos Audietis, Episode 315: Talking MLS pod plans and Timbers rivalry
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Time has lost all meaning so it’s perfectly understandable that you might have missed that this was supposed to be the week that the Seattle Sounders and Portland Timbers met for the first time this year. You may have even noticed that the two teams’ websites have been doing all sorts of content about it, including an oral history of their first-ever meeting of the all-MLS era.
We figured that was a reasonably good excuse to invite our good friend Richard Farley back onto the show. We talked about that game, what it meant for the rivalry and, oddly enough, a lot about the Michael Jordan documentary. It was fun.
Later in the show, Jeremiah and Aaron expressed some deep skepticism over the plan to bring all 26 teams to Orlando for some sort of tournament.
This week's music: Perry Como - "Seattle", "RVIVR - "Ocean Song", Woody Guthrie - "Roll On Columbia", "Your Journey Begins" - OurMusicBox (Jay Man) (CC BY 4.0)
Thanks to James Woollard, Sounders Public Address Announcer, for doing our sponsor reads. You can follow him on Twitter at @BritVoxUS - if you’re looking for a British Voice to advertise your business or non-profit, please reach out to him.
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Transcript
Introduction and Sponsor: Full Pool Wines
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Special Guests: Roldan and Morris on Memorable Games
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Hey, this is Christian Roldan. And Jordan Morris from the Seattle Sounders Football Club. And you're listening to... There's no study at this. What? Hey, Ocean! Let's go! Jordan Morris getting in behind Florian Youngford. Jordan Morris! Scores!
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And how's this for a save from Steph and Fry? Here comes Roy Deers from the middle to crowd it to Seattle. What do the Tigers dream of? They take a little Tigers in. It's the Sounders and an S-Com. I feel a lot better than Bob.
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The bluest skies you've ever seen are in Seattle And the hills the greenest green in Seattle
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Welcome to another edition of Nos Adietes, sponsored by Full Pool Wines. This is episode 314 and we're recording on May 21st, 2020, something like that. Sure. I'm your host, Jeremiah O'Shan, joining me as usual is Aaron Campo and Lickett Peay. Also joining us today is friend of the show, Richard Farley, who has been far too long. Far too long, Richard.
Sounders and Timbers Rivalry Insights
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Reunion show. It feels like a reunion.
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It's like when community did the table read the other day. Well, given that I'm now an employee of the timbers, this might be a community reference. This might be, you know, the bad timeline. Yeah. You guys are actually having people being paid by merit balls and on your show. I know. I know. And that was, I think the last time we thought about having you on, you big timed us and said, we had to go through like your PR department. And so we said, you know,
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Oh, really? Wow. Hopefully I did not do that because I was thinking about that when I told you I wanted to come on. Obviously, I was really excited to get the invite. And usually the procedure is that I just tell people when I'm on shows and just so they can be on the lookout if I make a mistake and say something stupid, which is quite the life to live if you're monitoring every single one of my words for a stupid thing that gets said.
00:02:52
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No, that 100% was not what actually happened. Okay. I should clarify. It was definitely not that. But anyway, it's good to have you on, Richard. I was inspired to have you on because apparently the Sounders and Timbers decided this was rivalry week, even though MLS was doing rivalry week last week.
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uh and there's no game but i guess this was the the on the schedule the original schedule this was the supposed to be the first time the sounders and timbers played this year is that am i i guess that's right
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Yeah, I can't remember if it's exactly right, but I know that when we were planning this, we were planning the conjunction between those two ideas. But since time doesn't mean anything right now, I honestly have no idea if it was this week or last week that the teams were supposed to be playing.
COVID-19 Impact on MLS: What’s Next?
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I had a player on our podcast, our club podcast last week, and he mentioned that
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Oh, what is it? 10 games that have been postponed at this point. I'm like, who can even count at this point? And also who kind of cares? Like once the world starts again, we can start counting these things. But until then, I'm not going to keep track of every single thing that has been missed. No. And I, I looked it up a few weeks ago and I was actually surprised at how few games had actually like how many, no, no, no. It was how many home games?
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As of a couple weeks ago, the Sounders had only had to cancel like two home games or something. Whoa. Yeah, it's because the Sounders were in a period where they weren't going to have a bunch of home games anyway. They had some buys and they had a bunch of road games. Anyway, I don't know what it is now, but at some point, I was surprised at how few home games they had had to cancel so far.
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Suffice it to say that is irrelevant now, and I don't know how many games they currently are missing, but what are you gonna do? So yeah, this was one of the things though that, it was funny, you and I were talking a little bit about the oral history that the Sounders and Timbers combined to put together, and it was an oral history of the first MLS meeting.
Historic Sounders vs Timbers Matches
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I feel like that's a generous term. We talked to eight guys.
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Yeah, but that's what you guys build it as. I'm just being kind. I'm using your language. But at first, my first reaction was like, is this game worth an oral history? And I don't know that I changed my mind on that. But I did come away with some realizations about it. And watching the highlights and
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kind of living that game again. Like I didn't honestly remember a lot about the game. And even watching the highlights, I'm realizing there wasn't a lot memorable that happened aside from Alvaro Fernandez's goal, which was awesome. And then there was footage of Aaron and his friends flipping off the camera, which was also awesome. Not flipping off the camera, I guess. Who are you flipping off in that?
00:05:56
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Uh, I don't, I think just the general idea of the Portland timbers and we're being totally honest, maybe the weather.
Weather Effects on Matches
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Yeah. And it was, I mean, that was a classic. I, there have not been enough games with that weather between the timbers and sound. It's true. Yeah. It definitely, it's usually actually really nice, which yeah.
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There's been more games that have been so hot that they had to move the game. Like literally, like that's happened a few times where they had afternoon kickoffs and then they were either so hot that they shouldn't have been playing or they were so hot that they actually moved start to time. It's probably fine that that's happened multiple times. Probably nothing to be worried about.
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Yeah, I remember one game down here, I guess it's probably early in 18 or something like that. The time couldn't be changed because it was on a Fox broadcast. And it was like a super early one too, because they were trying to tie it into some European coverage. It might not even been tied into like a World Cup game or something like that. But anyways, the kickoff down here was like at 1130, which
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People were thinking, OK, well, maybe that's not enough time for the turf to cook in the sun. But come the end of that game, you saw guys were really in a level of pain. And I think that's probably the last time that they've allowed a national team, national television broadcast to do that, because there really was kind of a concern that, well, for this for this day, we did not get the tradeoff right.
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Yeah. And, um, but the weather of that game was perfect in
Seattle vs Portland: Subculture Influence
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hindsight. Um, and the other thing that I was reminded of was that wall street journal article that we should credit with giving us our name in an indirect kind of way, our theme, our whole, like our whole, uh, yeah.
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thing right uh nine years later and we're still running with that i guess i know i know uh but it's timeless this is like great jeremiah jiu-jitsu because he does this where he takes something that is supposed to be pejorative and he makes it part of his identity obviously the best example of this is his atlanta fandom but this whole thing about yachting of course it was supposed to be kind of like
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you know, casting, casting Seattle some kind of, you know, elite that are, you know, putting some distance between the fandom in Seattle from, I guess, some implied normal fandom, which is, which is pretty ridiculous, because, you know, Seattle fandom, as much as any city in this country is a pretty mainstream fandom.
00:08:22
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Yeah, no, I would totally agree with that. And it is funny that the way that that whole thing kind of went down and it's funny that I got to reread Aaron's column about it, which was perfect.
00:08:40
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Honestly, Aaron, that was the short-lived Seattle regional site for SB Nation. He breaks down some of the quotes in this thing and it was like, sounders fans calling timbers fans hippies and sounders fans yuppies.
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and that was in it and then but he comes back to like let's be real we're like different sides of the same point yeah yeah yeah it's true it's i mean all right richard
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No, I was going to say, which Aaron has been really consistent about over the last 11 years, that obviously fandoms are going to have some antipathy toward each other. But Portland and Seattle, on the spectrum of worldwide culture, are pretty much right next to each other.
Beer Cultures: Seattle vs Portland
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Right. I mean, I think there are differences that are culturally between the two cities that I think are real and very stark.
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But it's also it's like, you know, all the people I hung out with in high school that just kind of wanted, like, simple, pretty fun lives where they, you know, hung out, like, in the scene or whatever, moved to Portland, and everybody that kind of wanted to, like,
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you know, like get a career going or whatever, move to Seattle. And they all still hang out together when they go to Olympia, you know, like it's like, because it's like the same people just like they want slightly different things out of life. And I think that's, you know, that's pretty, although increasingly, there's less distance between the two culturally, which is kind of a bummer. But
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Yeah, but yeah, but I mean, ultimately, yes, like it's both, you know, fairly monochromatic, large West Coast cities with, you know, fairly mainstream liberal politics, sort of cascading as being a little more progressive than maybe they really are. And, you know, but still very lovable and kind of weird cultural roots and, you know, very cool cities.
00:10:46
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Yeah. And so that was at the very least, it was fun to relive that. I also appreciated your dig at the beer scene in Seattle, which I don't know. Has your scene, has your opinion of the beer scene? It's better. Yeah, it's better. I think like at the time, Seattle was sort of at the forefront of that, you know, Uncle Hoppenstein's, Hoppinema,
00:11:16
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a hop bomb or whatever kind of thing. And like now it's like Seattle is more known for having like pretty weird, like they've still got plenty of, you know, breweries making like fairly trendy stuff, but they've got, um, I would say like more experimental stuff. Like holy mountain is, is really good. Um, but I still think Portland is better. I mean, it's tough to from, like, I, I think that anyone that's not from the Pacific Northwest would come to either Seattle or Portland and be blown away at the
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quality and variety that you're gonna find in either oh yeah I mean I think that that's less true than it used to be though like I definitely like I've been doing to vore recently because it's just like
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you know, I just like, I go to the same grocery store and I'm tired of drinking the same two beers or whatever. And, and I've been getting a ton of stuff from like the Midwest and the Northeast and, and even the Southeast and it's, I mean, the, the gap is like really closed a lot. And some of the stuff like, I, you know, I've had this conversation with our friend, Matt from the Masonry, like,
Critique: 'The Last Dance' Documentary
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It's kind of like punk rock or music in general in a way, where it's like when you're from a place where there's not a lot of what you're doing, you can afford to be weird and experimental. And I think that that kind of holds up with beer too. Anyway, this is a major digression, but whatever. What are we going to talk about? Yeah, right.
00:12:45
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I don't know if you're aware of the medium that we're using right now, but podcasting at this point is all about just digressions. I mean, when I look at my podcast feed this week, every single one is about the last dance, basically, whether we're talking basketball podcasts or mainstream sports podcasts, or more newsy type podcasts, they're using it as an opportunity to try to cultivate the basketball fan. And I'm just...
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I'm just kind of over all of the podcasts going through the same loops at this point. Like every sports podcast for the first month of quarantine was doing their top five X's or mountain rush mores of Y's. And I thought it was kind of just a major feeling of our collective imagination. March Madness was a big one too. Like everything was like, and it was even like non-sports podcasts were doing the same thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention that we're going to do a sing along next or next segments to sing along. Get ready for that one. Yeah, it is. I finally watched the first episode of Last Dance. I didn't realize it's 10 episodes. I didn't know what I was getting into there. That's quite an undertaking.
00:13:56
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I need to get out a DM that I sent to our mutual friend, Michael, or about my experience watching the last dance, because I did watch it almost in real time, and it kind of went from first weekend, two episodes, what an amazing level of detail, then to, whoa, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Robin, third weekend, this isn't really passing the smell test anymore, fourth weekend, I'm actively mad at this. Fifth weekend, I can't believe I wasted 10 hours of my life on this.
00:14:26
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Well, now I'm geared up for getting into episode two, at least. You are you are going to pick it apart, especially because you do like you do like the idea of examining journalistic or at least things that are advertised as journalistic efforts in terms of that lens. I mean, this clearly was not journalism. This is this is definitely more akin to things that I do as from the club side now. Right. Like there's still value in relaying that
Michael Jordan’s Legacy Compared to Modern NBA
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information.
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and you can't get a level of access that other people can't get, but to call it like a journalistic effort, you can apply journalistic ideals to something that ultimately can't be called journalism. And I don't think they can call the last dance journalism.
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Yeah. I mean, I, I haven't watched the whole thing either, but I, I would definitely, I would side with you for sure on that. And I saw like a bunch of tweets the other night when it wrapped up about saying like, Oh, you know, good, good luck to anybody making sports documentaries after that. And it's like, man, this is like not even in my top a hundred probably. Like have you ever seen hoop dreams for, for the love of God? Like, so I, you know, I just, yeah, it's not even like,
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Yeah, it's not even my top five basketball ones. There's a three-part documentary that's part of the 30 for 30 series on the Lakers Celtics rivalry of the 80s. And that was much better. It pretty much is coming from the same point of view of like, hey, here's something we thought was really cool. Let's talk to people about that. And you have footage of like the Celtics coming into the Laker locker room in
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1987 when the Lakers won the title in Boston Garden and stuff like that. And Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish walking up to Magic Johnson and shaking their hand in the middle of the celebration. It's like, hey, that is cool because these two teams, that's a sign of the respect between the teams that they went out of their way to kind of go, you're on our home. You won this. We have to recognize that. Here you go. I do, though.
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I don't know. I don't know if I should bring this up because me and Merit Paulson kind of went back and forth on tweets on this. But I do definitely side with people that are going, wow, Michael Jordan maybe wasn't a good teammate at all. And Merit had the opposite view of that. It's just like, look, if you are Michael Jordan, you get to be like that and it can become a huge driving and motivating factor for your team. But pretty much
00:16:39
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Michael Jordan's the only person that gets to do that, period. Exactly. You have to be Michael Jordan to pull that shit off. You can't... And that is why I find Zlatan so annoying, because I think that it kind of branched... I think Merrim might have actually called out Zlatan specifically, but...
00:16:55
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he's not good enough to be that way. And he's like 10 times as obnoxious as Jordan was. Like Jordan is just like a dick and super competitive. Zlatan like wants everybody to know how high his opinion of himself is. Yeah. And he's just not good enough to get it like he. Yeah, I don't know. So it's like you have to be the unquestioned goat to be able to pull that off, you know, in a way that like Jordan was and
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I don't know, maybe Messi is. And I wouldn't be surprised if Messi's a huge dick either, like, to his teammates. I don't know, but... Yeah, he just seems more distant. It doesn't seem like he will go out of his way to be an asshole to his teammates. Yeah, the Zlatan tweet that you're referring to, that's what got the...
00:17:40
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It was just a three-tweet exchange between Marin and myself, but I kind of quote tweeted it and said, you know, we actually have a lot of history of people being kind to their teammates and still winning championships. And so it's worth noting that you don't have to adopt this leadership style if you want to win things. Yeah, not to get too deep into this whole thing, but one of the other things I was struck by in that first episode was the
Jordan’s Baseball Days: Successes and Surprises
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the difference in arc of Michael Jordan versus a LeBron James or Kobe Bryant or really any modern NBA star in that Jordan was allowed to effectively go through high school relatively anonymously. I guess he was a highly regarded recruit by the time he ended up in North Carolina, which is why he ended up in North Carolina, obviously. But the story about him getting cut from his junior high
00:18:33
Speaker
basketball team or whatever it was, or I guess maybe it was freshman basketball team. That's a big apocryphal thing too. Like he basically, the story is like, he didn't make varsity as a freshman, which a lot of NBA players don't. And she's like, that's a very common experience. It's not something that you should be salty over. Like you shouldn't walk onto a high school campus, particularly North Carolina, which is a huge basketball state and expect to as a 14 year old play with 18 year olds. It's just not a reasonable expectation.
00:19:01
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But, and I think like part of it was that his coach was doing it because he's like, Hey man, you're kind of a dick. Like you need to learn some humility, you know, it is, it is crazy though that he played.
00:19:14
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I mean, really bad double A baseball, but he played double A baseball like just after like deciding like two months before spring training, I think I want to play baseball and like he was able to hang basically and have moments where he was good. Although I did look it up and as a left fielder that year, he made 11 errors, which is like 10 more errors that an outfielder should
Trend of Overly Long Documentaries
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make in a year. Right? Yeah.
00:19:35
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Yeah, I wonder how much of that is kind of the, and I guess Netflix was involved in the production of this, but the Netflixivization, for lack of a better term, of documentaries, where these documentaries that used to be like two or three hours, and maybe if they were really good, they'd stretch it into like a few episodes, but like,
00:19:56
Speaker
to get 10, I don't know if it's 10 hours, but to get 10 episodes of anything, any documentary is like a level of detail that, you know, a few years ago would have just been outrageous. And, you know, you look at, you know, like the Tiger King or whatever, and these kinds of things where it's like, is there really 10 episodes here? Or is it like two episodes that we stretched into 10?
00:20:20
Speaker
I mean, this one was supposed to be about just the Bulls last season. And obviously they went really, really far away from that. And I can get devoting like 20 minutes to Scottie Pippen's backstory and 20 minutes to other people's backstories. That's fine. But they're, so the director said that he had to produce 50 minutes every week. So what we were talking about, like just under nine hours or something like that, eight and a half hours. That's way too long. I think it's the,
00:20:45
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what Ezra Edelman did with OJ Made in America and how long that was, that people are kind of saying, oh, there's a real appetite for like these deep, deep dives. But the OJ story is like a once in a civilization moment. It's not even a once in a lifetime moment. So... Oh, go ahead, please. No, no, I was gonna say, so like, I'm not sure we should be using that as an example for future projects.
00:21:09
Speaker
Especially because the OJ documentary was about OJ, but it was about the culture that created OJ too. So much of the stuff that was interesting was not even directly about OJ at all. It was about the moment he came up and what turned him into the person that he was and everything like that.
Evolution of Sounders vs Timbers Rivalry
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Speaker
That Bulls team was fascinating, but
00:21:32
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not in a way that like OJ's story is fascinating. Yeah. I mean, if they wanted to make it a 10-hour exploration of sports leadership and use Jordan as the example of somebody who probably more than any other player single-handedly willed his team to greatness and really asking, okay, is this the way that somebody would have to do it if they were
00:21:54
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having to do something single-handedly. I think that'd be interesting. Like, okay, let's go talk to different people in different sports. Let's discover the culture around the All Blacks in New Zealand. Let's discover the culture that Manchester United teams under Alex Ferguson had. Let's explore all these things. But I also, when thinking about Jordan, you know,
00:22:14
Speaker
Jeremiah, I mean, Aaron, you guys have been one of the sounds for a decade now. I've been doing this job for over a decade now. I've been exposed to a lot of different teams and a lot of different leadership styles. I have known people that have been, had the attitude of Michael Jordan. Of course, I've never known somebody that has been Michael Jordan, but I've known way, way, you know, Will Johnson not be able to.
00:22:40
Speaker
I'm laughing at that. Yeah, I guess this is where I have to say Will Johnson's not, whatever. But yeah, no, in both teams, Seattle and Portland, you know, there have been some bad guys, most of the guys have been good. And it's mostly the good guys that are actually the good, the leaders, right? It's mostly the guys that can have the credibility to go across the locker room, have a 12 minute conversation with somebody. And in that other person's mind, they're not thinking the whole time, oh my God, I actually hate this guy.
00:23:11
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yes, exactly. And you go from that to some guys in the middle that are more aloof to the rare guy who people just don't like. At some point, you have to have guys that can go to the different factions in the locker room and talk to one person in that group and get that group signed on.
00:23:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, sounders timbers, pretty amazing stuff. I mean, to go back to how you opened this up, there were players, I would almost say most players we talked to thought the game itself was unremarkable. Like from kickoff to final whistle. One, one. That both Brad Evans and Jack Juiceberry had no idea how many people were there. Yep. Was notable.
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think that is, I mean, you and I obviously talked about it a little bit, but that's noteworthy. Like for guys like that, it just falls into a line of Darby's that they've been a part of. And I think from where we are right now, it's hard to remember that
00:24:14
Speaker
the Darvies aren't weren't always like
Soccer Fandom in the Pacific Northwest
00:24:16
Speaker
they are now. Like there's going to be a generation of timbers fans four years now, they're just going to remember 26,000 people at Providence Park. Well, like, like Sal Ziza brought up like at one point, it was 18,000 the first year before they really got it going. And like we're talking about here, the first rivalry games between these teams did not have the upper deck full. They weren't pushing 60,000.
00:24:39
Speaker
No, they weren't. And what's what's also interesting about that is I remember in, you know,
00:24:47
Speaker
and maybe it was more like 2010 to, yeah, even in 2011 when Timbers fans would say things like, where did all these fans come from? You know, we were coming down here five years ago and there were 2000 people here in this cavernous stadium. And it just speaks to like when you get into the rivalry, it kind of changes your perception of how it's always been. You know, like obviously this rivalry, like I found it kind of,
00:25:16
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hilarious maybe borderline trollish for honestly anyone to suggest that it's not the It's that it's not the top rivalry that it's not like oh, it's horrible Like it's just it's disingenuous. I'll go right out and say that there seems to be this effort constantly from People outside of this region to try to put something
00:25:39
Speaker
on the same pedestal. And I've been to a lot of these rivalry games around the country, and they're great. They're just nowhere close to this. I mean, there's a potential for LA versus LA to get there. I don't think it's going to get there because the galaxy's relevance seems to be waning. But at best, it'll just be on the same level, right?
00:26:00
Speaker
Everybody is chasing what's happening up here. I mean, this is a lot of reason why I'm even up here is because the culture up here made it so that I could have a career here. I couldn't, I mean, I can't hear from LA. I couldn't be a full-time soccer writer in LA. The only one that is a full-time soccer writer in LA is Kevin Baxter, right? And he works for the LA Times and he has two teams to cover. That's the bar there here.
00:26:26
Speaker
Soccer culture is such that I could come up here and make a living. I mean, I don't know where else I could do that. No, I agree.
City Rivalries Shaping Sounders vs Timbers
00:26:32
Speaker
I agree. And it is totally different here. It's just the fact that they are mainstream. They're both mainstream teams that you can walk around town on any given day, not even just game day. And you'll see people wearing timbers or sounders gear. And we're obviously talking to people who realize this at this point. But I just think that's...
00:26:54
Speaker
I don't think we always realize how much that differentiates us from other markets. There are plenty of markets where on game day you can walk around within a few blocks of the stadium and barely know there's a game going on.
00:27:09
Speaker
I mean, I think one of the things too is when you talk to the players from both teams and they, you bring up the idea that people are trying to put other markets on the same level. I mean, even before LA versus LA happened, people would always still be trying to build up something like Red Bulls DC United or something like that because, just because that is kind of one of the blue blood rivalries. And then you talk to players that are involved in this rivalry and they almost take offense to it. They almost, they almost take the, it's like almost either you're lying or you're being disingenuous or,
00:27:39
Speaker
they get offended a little bit by the fact that they have to explain something that's so obvious. You can almost hear them scoffing in their voice just like, I can't believe this is even a discussion. The other thing though I did realize in watching back some of that game was I do think there's something to be said that the sounders as an organization entered their more modern fully formed selves.
00:28:07
Speaker
after like with that game like 2011 marks the change of the franchise that went from being like oh this was kind of a cool thing that was happening to like no this is a real like they needed the rivalry i think to feel it fully fleshed out they needed it to be at the MLS level and as much as i i do believe that the sounders are still kind of like the big brother in the in the relationship i think that having the timbers and to certainly a lesser degree but
00:28:37
Speaker
probably it's valuable to having Vancouver. Like you watch those games and it feels familiar. It feels still like it's the same thing. It feels like there's something about it that just feels like you see the stands and it feels like, no, that's still kind of how it feels to a certain degree. And maybe even some ways you can even argue that it was better in some of those early 2011 to 2014 or something years.
00:29:06
Speaker
But I think that that's when it started to feel like what we now think of the sounders. And obviously, the timbers are very much that way because the timbers weren't an MLC before that. Right.
Sounders vs Timbers: A Unique MLS Rivalry?
00:29:20
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe, Aaron, you can talk about this. But whenever I think of this issue that Jeremiah is talking about, I think back to baseball.
00:29:28
Speaker
I think back to, you know, you look at the AL Central, it's always the worst division because it lacks internal competition. Like if the Tigers have a good team one year, the Twins have a good team one year, they're probably winning that division with 88 wins. The Indians stumble into the playoffs. But if you're in the AL East,
00:29:48
Speaker
You have to, you have to say we have to win 96 games to even have a shot at the playoffs because the Sox and the Yankees have to be counted for that much. The Blue Jays of the Rays one year can just come up and have a good team. There's internal competition there that's always going to drive the best team in the AL East to be the best team in that whole league or one of the two best teams in that league. And I think it's the same thing up here where
00:30:11
Speaker
I don't think it's a coincidence that Seattle and Portland have won the last five Western Conference titles. I don't think Seattle and Portland are sitting here going, well, we've really got to keep up with Kansas City. I mean, they've got a lot of respect for what Peter Vermes does there, but
00:30:27
Speaker
there's a lot of internal credibility built into the ability to at least keep the other team within reach. I think we've seen that at various times, too. I mean, right now, the Timbers are dealing with it because the Sounders, look, Sounders got that second star. That's meaningful. But there was also a period where towards the end of the of the city Schmidt years there, not only the year that he got replaced mid-season and obviously Seattle went on to some success that year, but
00:30:54
Speaker
You know, the year that Seattle made the series of signings, including Nelson Valdez, and it just didn't quite feel right, but there was like a push to invest a little bit. That happened to coincide when the Timbers started to get good, when Caleb Hoarder was making them a team that even though, you know, they barely missed the playoffs a couple of years, like anytime you played the Timbers, you could lose.
00:31:15
Speaker
And that was a driving factor. And I think that's something that's going to continue to push both teams going forward. And it's something, quite honestly, like with Kansas City, it would be nice if they had a rival that could push them on a kind of minute to minute regional basis.
00:31:32
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think that it could go one of two ways, you know, anytime that happens. And I think it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out in LA because, you know, LAFC is doing everything right. And the galaxy are still the galaxy of, you know, four or five years ago.
00:31:51
Speaker
And I wonder what is going to happen as more of these markets get teams that should be natural rivals and should be pushing them like the tempers did for Seattle and I guess Vancouver is here as well.
00:32:09
Speaker
They're like the Susie Brady of this situation, right? Like everybody remembers Marcia. Jan made a big, big stink about not being Marcia. Was it Susie or Sally? I don't even remember what the third Brady sister's date was. I think it was Sally. The youngest one in Curls, yeah. Yeah. I think it was Sally. This is a really timely reference too.
Team Dynamics and Cultural Impacts
00:32:29
Speaker
It is. Yeah. We're definitely showing our age because I think we would have been...
00:32:34
Speaker
We would have been the age where the reboot movie came out with a guy from Office. It was Cindy by the way. So not even close. I think for some teams it's good and I think for other teams it can be a death knell. I could easily see the galaxy
00:32:56
Speaker
reduced to sort of also ran status at some point if they don't get it together. But I think that for whatever reason, obviously there's history to the rivalry. These teams have been around for a long time and I think that that's important.
00:33:12
Speaker
But I think if you're being honest, you have to admit that 80% of the people involved in the fan bases now are probably not super invested in that rivalry in 2004, let's say.
00:33:28
Speaker
there's something else to it. I think it's part of the competition between the cities. When I was a kid, the rivalry between the Portland Winter Hawks and the Seattle Thunderbirds was a huge deal. And that's junior hockey. The Trailblazers and the Sonics, obviously, that was a big deal. So there is rivalry between the cities.
00:33:51
Speaker
But I think, too, it's just the unique nature of the ownership groups of the people that have been involved. Like, say what you want about Merit Paulson. And I say a lot of things about Merit Paulson. He obviously very deeply cares about the timbers and about being successful and about being successful in a sustainable way. And I hate to say the right way, but I mean, I think we kind of know what that means, right? Like, he wants to
00:34:16
Speaker
build a good culture and build a core of aesthetically pleasing players that are also talented. He wants the team to have an identity. I think a lot of the same things are true of Adrian Hanauer and Garth Wagerweig. And I think there's just something about the DNA of the two clubs that makes them perfect foils for each other.
00:34:37
Speaker
Um, and then also just kind of guarantees that they're going to continue to motivate each other in a way that, you know, I don't know if that's going to be true for, for the LA teams. Um, I don't know if that that's going to be ever be the case. Like Chicago appears to kind of be getting it together a little bit, but you know, are they ever really gonna like ignite a new rivalry? Um, that pushes both clubs to greatness. I don't know. We'll see. I'm a little skeptical though.
00:35:05
Speaker
Even the New York teams, it seems to be like there's this acceptance that they're such different worlds. City Football Group obviously operates in a completely different way than Red Bulls Football Group. Red Bulls Football Group seems to be completely about maximizing the limited investment that they think is necessary. You look across all their properties, they're always investing intelligently and challenging themselves to stretch that investment. Whereas City Football Group walks up to the dart bird with 27 darts in one hand and just throws them.
00:35:35
Speaker
And look, this is our advantage. I brought 27 darts to this bar. You're not going to tell me not to throw all of them at once. Maybe one of them hits David Villa and all the rest of them go off the board. And who cares? They got David Villa out of it, right? It'd be cool if one of the darts came to the stadium.
00:35:53
Speaker
It is kind of interesting, though, that the two New York teams are both like the two very different sides of that sort of like international football conglomerate model. Yeah, it was interesting. You know, and that like, because like New York is not really a market that Red Bull would typically
00:36:11
Speaker
maybe target necessarily, but they're also not really in New York. They're in New Jersey, they're in the suburbs, and they sort of try to target that market. So yeah, it's kind of an interesting thing, but I just can't find NYCFC compelling on any level. It's just impossible for me to take them seriously. And it's going to be a long time, I think, before I can. I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence that the sounders
00:36:40
Speaker
had their first really great season 2014 after the, after they lost to the Timbers in the playoffs, that they won their first MLS cup the year after the Timbers won their first MLS cup. And then they won their second MLS cup the year after the Timbers beat them again. Like, I don't think those are coincidental.
00:37:00
Speaker
like things like I think there's something to be said for the sounders feeling as though they need to keep upping their game when especially when the timbers are kind of flexing on them and um and I think that's probably good for the for both themes um you know that the timbers have
00:37:18
Speaker
I think in a lot of ways done a lot well in there. They have done a lot well in running the team and making some smart hires in their media department. I'm a big Ross Smith fan too.
00:37:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Big, big, big, big Ross Smith fan. But I mean, I think it's it's been an it's I will say that it's it's been a good time to just kind of think back necessarily about that game specifically, because like we said, that game, I don't think was
Critique of MLS Orlando Tournament Plan
00:37:55
Speaker
especially powerful but a lot of what happened around it was really I think did set the tone and it was you know I was I kind of forgotten that there was a lot to be said about you know there was the fight over how many tickets the timbers were gonna get right one of the first
00:38:13
Speaker
big traveling contingents that came and there was this whole protocol of not letting them you know walk around the stadium like they as they would have otherwise wanted and and these are things that became kind of normal.
00:38:27
Speaker
Um, you know, almost 10 years later, but at the time we're really kind of like things the league had never had to deal with before. And, and so in that way, it was kind of fun to go back and relive some of that time because it was, I mean, it wasn't, I think it was an important, it marked an important. Like benchmark, even if the game itself was kind of forgettable.
00:38:52
Speaker
Yeah, two things dumped out to me regarding this process. One, we do take for granted how much of a core Seattle had from day one of MLS because you look at the people that the Sounders were able to draw on for that story.
00:39:08
Speaker
Brad Evans there, Casey Keller there, Roger Leveque there, Brian Schmetzer there. I mean, these are people that are part of a winning culture from day one, and it allowed them to sustain their presence there. And obviously, those are...
00:39:23
Speaker
Those aren't the only guys, you know, Ozzy Alonzo, even people that we don't necessarily forget about, but, you know, Leo Gonzalez was really important during those times too. And he's probably maybe the ninth or 10th person we would list here when we just start listing people off. But although those guys are really still very close to the Seattle organization because they were successful and the Timbers weren't as successful. I mean, the Timbers were never bad, but they didn't make the playoffs and the Sanders had made that the standard. So when we were going back to try to find people to contribute to this,
00:39:53
Speaker
They were all people who, as the Timbers tried to improve, they had to let go of. Everybody in Portland wanted Eric Bruner to stay. He was only here for a year. Jeremy Hall was here for less than a year. Sal Ziza was here for three years, but these were all people that were part of what was a more typical expansion process and really the only people that survived until that 2013 team were the people like Jack Jusberry, were the people like
00:40:17
Speaker
Darlington, Nagby, and Diego Charar. Most of that roster had turned over by then, whereas two years into the Seattle experience, they'd won a couple trophies. They were expecting to build to compete for more trophies at that point in time. Three years in the Seattle experience, people were already talking about, why can't this team perform in the playoffs? And nobody was really saying, they keep making the playoffs. People were like, we need supporter shields. We need a conference title at this point. If they don't do this, it's not a success. It's like, well, in hindsight, I think it was a success.
00:40:47
Speaker
It's definitely funny to look back and think that in 2014, or even before then, like in 2011, I want to say, when the Sounders went out of the playoffs in 2011, it was like, ah, again? What is going on here? And to think like, you know, with the benefit of time, it's like, we were worried about not making the, like, we weren't worried about making the year three, we were worried about like, flaming out early in the playoffs.
00:41:10
Speaker
Yeah, I remember in 2011, doing podcasts where that's where the narrative of like, well, can Seattle just not a playoff team could see cannot get them over the of the hump? Like, are they just a bunch of chokers? Like, how many times we have to watch this? And it's just like, well, maybe this is just a process. But you know how you know how we discuss things? I mean, they probably were just, you know, they said a high bar for themselves. Right. I mean, I didn't really start worrying about the Sounders until I think it was 2013. And of course, the Timbers
00:41:38
Speaker
But I think it was 2013 that they finished the season with an even goal difference and they were fourth in the conference. And of course, Oba follows soon after that, Clinton follows soon after that. It's like, look, let's start throwing our weight around here a little bit and then they go win a shield. But it wasn't until well into their endless existence that I think we should have legitimately been worried about their direction.
00:41:59
Speaker
Yeah. Well, that's probably a good place. We're going to take a little bit of a break, and then we're going to answer
Post-Lockdown Sports Feasibility
00:42:05
Speaker
some questions. And I think we'll probably talk. I don't know how much liberty you will have to talk about this, Richard. But I would like to bring it up, at least, is this proposed Orlando hub plan. And you can sit it out if you have to. I'd like to hear what you're saying, but yeah. Yeah, I'm probably going to. I'm not going to sit it out, but I think my opinions that are just pretty boring, to be honest with you.
00:42:29
Speaker
Fair enough. You can read stuff off your cards. Your pre-prepared cards is fine. Yeah, let me text somebody to get those cards delivered to me. All right. Well, you're listening to NOS Adi at this, and we'll be right back.
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00:43:23
Speaker
Welcome back to Nos Ariates. Richard, we asked to leave because he was hogging too much of the mic time. But we have questions that are mainly about this upcoming potential tournament. So Richard, lick it. Go ahead and fire away.
00:43:45
Speaker
No problem, Jack. Yeah, as you can probably guess, most of the questions are about the tournament. So let's just read them one at a time and see what happens. Bill Jones, STRPTS, I can't wait for games to come back, but I feel totally uninterested in the Disney World Games plan. Would you rather see the Orlando plan or an alternative, or would you rather wait until fans can somehow attend games?
00:44:13
Speaker
Uh, I think the Orlando plan sucks ass. I hate it. I hate it so much. I don't know. Nothing about it's good. And I would just, I'm fine with closed door games. Like if, if they can figure out a way to make that work safely. Um, I think, you know, that's great. I don't think that the fans need to be there. Um, but the, the Orlando thing just sucks so bad.
00:44:36
Speaker
Yeah, it's, I, I think, as proposed, it sucks ass for a lot of reasons. And I'll start with the reasons I think it sucks ass from a like humanistic perspective is I think it's
00:44:52
Speaker
it's insane to ask not it's not just players that are being asked to go move across the country essentially for two months and frankly like abandon their families uh it's it's like almost an equivalent number of non-playing staff that are being asked to do the same thing and these are mostly people that make like pretty normal amounts of money like
00:45:16
Speaker
like not crazy amounts of money and even if they made a ton of money they wouldn't have like because of the global pandemic that I think we all realize that we're in it's not quite as easy to get the normal help and that might be your
00:45:31
Speaker
parents helping out with the kids or it might be uh babysitters or whatever it might be but anyone that has kids at home this is like a brutal deal for um and i and i think like just that they're asking people to do it for two months just feels really really like out there and what i think
00:45:52
Speaker
also makes that problematic is that it's not like the league has said okay we're gonna do this tournament and then we're gonna roll right into some kind of regular season maybe it's closed or maybe it's with fans maybe whatever it is but there's no stated plan for what comes after this tournament so as it is it's potentially just like a standalone tournament of
00:46:17
Speaker
somewhere between five and eight games, I guess. And that's gonna be like a stand-in for the season or something. Like, I don't know what that satisfies. I mean, I suppose it helps pay some bills and I hope it, and I guess there is some money that's driving this, but I actually don't think it's money that like, it's no like sum of money that's really driving it. It's more of like, I think the league just trying to show the TV partners that they're willing to do extraordinary things to put
00:46:47
Speaker
like product on the field. And I think that's kind of gross. It's disgusting, man. And it's the people that are making that decision. They're not going to, they're not going to be there. You kidding me? Right. And that's, I mean, it's just, it's a microcosm of everything else where it's like the people bitching and whining about how they want to reopen the economy. They're not going to be the ones that were going to work, you know, like, and it's,
00:47:11
Speaker
Like, look, if this were a matter of, hey, if we don't do this, MLS is going to go out of business and cease to exist. Maybe I could see it. Like, maybe, you know, that's a more compelling thing if it's, well, we really want to keep our TV partners happy. And we're kind of tired of losing as much money as we've been losing. So, you know, let's let's just do this, man, that sucks. And there are so many decisions that we are making.
00:47:38
Speaker
that we're making those decisions because we're trying to fit everything into the normal mode of thinking. And this is not the time for that mode of thinking. There is no reason for anybody, aside from essential workers, to be going to work right now.
00:47:55
Speaker
If we just decided that like, hey, you know what, nobody's going to go broke. Nobody is going to lose their house. Nobody's going to not be able to afford food for however long it takes to get through this. We could make that decision socially as a society. We absolutely could, but we're not doing that.
00:48:12
Speaker
And, and so you've got shit like this where it's like, yeah, let's just fly an entire league of players, support staff, et cetera, to the state that is letting everybody do whatever the hell they want, you know, for two months. Um, and you know, we'll just do that and that'll be fine. And you know what? Like a player is going to get it. A player is going to get sick.
00:48:35
Speaker
there are enough players in MLS that if it spreads, like there's a decent chance that a player could die. Um, there's a decent, there's, I think it's almost guaranteed that if there's an outbreak, somebody that's there for MLS is going to die. It's not worth it, man. It's just not worth it to, to keep ESPN happy or whatever. It's just like, what, what are they going to show cornhole instead of MLS who gives a shit?
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know that I'm quite as like, I think those are all perfectly valid points, like perfectly valid points. I think that there is probably like, I'm a little bit more of the mind that, okay, at some point,
00:49:16
Speaker
we have to move into a post lockdown world. At some point we just have to get, even if it's not about economics, it's just I think from a psychological standpoint, we need to start living life something
Player Safety Concerns in Orlando Tournament
00:49:34
Speaker
like normal and like not and i think but it's it's how you move into that right it's like you can't you don't just go from lockdown to like okay everyone go back to work and it's all normal and whatever like that's not that doesn't make any sense and i think that's kind of what the league is is kind it seems to be trying to do like just put blinders on it'll be fine uh if everyone just decides that this is what we're going to do and everyone puts a happy face on it it'll be great well that's not the that's not
00:50:03
Speaker
Like there's no reason we have to do it that way. Like we can be more measured about this. We can take our time. Like I think most likely we can, you know, if, if everyone gets together and is like smart about this, why can't we have like either a shorter tournament or why can't we actually have games in like, I don't love the idea of empty stadium games, but I'm okay. Like I've kind of come to terms with the idea that that might be the way that they get through this season.
00:50:34
Speaker
part because there's no guarantee that we'll be at a point where we can comfortably have fans in the stadium for you know a year or more and so it's like you know I think it makes sense to try to figure out a way forward but the way forward is not this plan that they're laying out and one of the other details that came out today in one of the athletics stories and the athletics done a great job I should say reporting on this is
00:50:58
Speaker
that the hotel staff where they're gonna be quarantined won't be quarantined, which, hey, I get it. Maybe you can't quarantine the hotel staff. Maybe it's not feasible.
00:51:10
Speaker
Okay, so if you can't quarantine the hotel staff, what's the point of this whole thing? If the hotel staff is going home and they're living their lives, especially in Florida, where they're just out and about doing their own thing, you're not really sealing up. You're not living in a biodome. You're just living in a... The players are just locked down. They're just basically living in a prison.
00:51:39
Speaker
Yeah, and like one of the things they're figuring out about, you know, like how this stuff spreads is it's like, it can get into like, it's in a lot of ways, it's less contagious than we thought. But in some ways, it's more like it can get into an HVAC system, you know, so if you know, the person cleaning the room next year's is coughing and has it and it gets into the HVAC system, like you can get it without ever being around them, you know, like,
00:52:05
Speaker
I don't know, man. I think you're right that we do have to accept, we shouldn't have to accept, but we're probably going to have to accept that people are going to get it because we do have to get back to something approaching normal. If we had been as a country spending the last two months of lockdown actually preparing to do anything about any of this instead of just kind of like sitting around dicking off or whatever.
00:52:30
Speaker
you know, maybe that would be a little better of a world to be emerging back into. But I think you're right, like you have to come up with something more compelling than what they're coming up with. Yeah, they it's just not worth it. No, I totally agree. They have not come up with a compelling reason for it. They haven't come. And I also don't think that what they're talking about putting out on the field is particularly compelling. I mean, let's let's just like let's put all the
00:52:57
Speaker
All this other stuff aside, is the product that they're going to put on the field something that we actually want to see? Players are going to have been training for maybe two or three weeks. They're going to be expected to play five games, somewhere between five and eight games in between four and six weeks.
00:53:18
Speaker
They're gonna be playing in front of empty stadiums. They're gonna be playing on, they're gonna be playing on trumped up practice fields essentially. This is not gonna look like a major league product that they're putting. No, I mean, it's a somehow a worse lower stakes version of like the desert diamond cup. Right, yeah, exactly. It's gonna look a lot like that without the atmosphere.
00:53:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I can watch literally every television show that has ever been made.
00:53:51
Speaker
Why would I watch that instead? Like what's... Yeah, I think that that's just a lot of problems with the plan that's put forward. I think that for me, unless you are able to, I think, first of all, you got to shorten this thing. I don't think you can ask, like, I just don't see how you can ask people to do this for two months. And I think the other thing that is, that bugs me about it is I think that realistically, most of these players are less safe
00:54:21
Speaker
being at this facility in this environment, then they would be in their homework. And to me, that's a big deal. For the most part, they can control who they're interacting with when they are living at home and when they're going to the practice facility at home. But if they are
00:54:46
Speaker
If they are at this facility, they're all of a sudden at the, they're relying on a lot of other people that they don't have any sort of control over, that they don't control where they go, who they interact with, any of that sort of stuff. And I just think, I don't know, I just think it's a bad position to put the players in. And they're basically putting the players in a position to be the bad guys and say like, we don't want to do this, which I think also sucks.
00:55:13
Speaker
Yeah. You're also guaranteeing that instead of like a team, like 50% of a team catching it, like 50% of the league catches it. Right. No, it seems worse. Seems worse to me. Absolutely. Like if one, it's like the chances of it going from, you know, like if, if you're in your home market and one, and one person gets it, maybe, maybe the team.
00:55:33
Speaker
Like a couple of the guys on the team gets
Missed Opportunities in MLS Drafts
00:55:35
Speaker
it. But in this environment, it's entirely possible that you have an outbreak that carries throughout the whole league. And it's like a cruise ship, you know, like they're all of a sudden they're stuck there. And then there's even the case where they were saying Carlos Vela is expecting a child during this period. It's like, how are you going to ask him to leave his wife and not go back
00:56:01
Speaker
when they have the child, if they have, you know, it's like, it's ridiculous. Yeah, you can't ask them to do that. But at the same time, it's like, so what's like, if you can't ask one of the best players in the league to not be there for the competition, right? Because like, that's just not feasible.
00:56:18
Speaker
Or, or right morally justifiable. Like, why are you having the competition? Like it's one thing if, if an athlete has a kid and they miss, you know, four or five games or whatever, if you miss like the whole thing, like, I don't know, man, it's just, it sucks. It's really bad. I don't, I, I don't, I have not talked to anybody that thinks it's a good idea. Um, like not, not a single person. That's, that's wild.
00:56:46
Speaker
Well, I think that pretty much covered all the internet questions over there. Let's just go to the last question, which you may not have the expectations on, but let's ask anyways. Thirdstringstar asks, what are your expectations for the rain kits with the influence of Lion? I hope they're better than the Thorns kit that everybody is drooling over. I hate that thing. It looks like shit.
00:57:14
Speaker
I know that we spent the first half talking about performative hatred of the other city, but I usually like the Thorns kits and the Timbers kits, but I hate this thing. It looks like, I believe the way I described it to y'all in Slack was it looks like something you'd find in the men's clothing section next to the cologne counter that is designed for wearing to the club with wide lip cut jeans. Free with purchase. Yeah, it looks like shit. It looks so bad. Yeah. So hopefully it'll be better than that.
00:57:42
Speaker
I think I appreciated, at least the black one, I appreciated that it had some neat details in it. I don't love the black and red motif, particularly, but I think I appreciated the effort that went into designing the jersey itself. The white one, I think, is pretty bad. I realize that there's supposed to be rose thorns. It has a very barbed wire. I mean, I guess they're both kind of Ed Hardy-esque looks.
00:58:09
Speaker
But man, we have someone on here who's very, very adamant about talking about the sounders and timbers both skipping over Hasani Dotson, which we should... I don't have a good explanation for it, but I will say we had Hasani on this podcast. I think it was on this podcast. Yeah.
00:58:30
Speaker
I do so many of them now. But we had him on a while back, and he didn't actually seem that surprised that he didn't get picked. I think he felt like his, by the Sounders at least, he had tried out for S2, I believe it was, at some point. And he didn't make that team, which is probably criminal in hindsight. But yeah, I mean, it looks like a really bad mistake that the Sounders made in taking Tucker Bone over Hasani Dotson.
00:58:59
Speaker
Um, but I don't know that there's a great story there other than the sounders didn't really rate dots and he wasn't really that great of a college player. Um, at least not, I don't know if people, I mean, he now looks like he might be a US national team caliber, you know, number six or number eight. So it's, uh, you know, clearly something was missed by, uh, scouts here, but.
00:59:23
Speaker
I don't know. I don't think there's a, I mean, maybe defensive players or, I mean, I guess he's not a purely defensive player, but, but players with that skillset age so weirdly, like sometimes they just turn into great players like at like 24 and nobody saw it coming. So I don't know. It's going to happen occasionally, I guess.
00:59:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he was, yeah, I mean, he it's I don't know that there's a great story there. I just don't know that there is a explanation for other than the sounders didn't rate him for whatever reason. But he clearly was a he's clearly looking like he's gonna have a very nice career. And it's a shame that, you know, like, I thought it was one of the things that I thought was interesting was that he's from Federal Way, he grew up in Federal Way. But
01:00:14
Speaker
He apparently had never met Lamor Nagel, which I thought was odd.
01:00:19
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And I mean, it's a bit, there's like 300,000 people there. No, I know. I just think it was an example that he's a player that kind of went under the radar is what I'm thinking. That was the point was I was making is that, you know, he wasn't necessarily like anointed as the next great player for whatever reason. Um, but now I get you. I get you. There's also only a hundred dozen people there. I was, I was way off just for effect. Yeah.
01:00:44
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I mean, apparently the guy in the chat here seems to think there's a big story about it, but I certainly don't have that story. Maybe one day. Yeah.
Episode Reflections and Closing
01:00:55
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We got one last question and we'll end it there. Deadmeat38 in the chat asks, when is Jeremiah going to shave? Oh, yeah. I don't know. There was a point early on in this whole thing where my wife was talking to me about potentially shaving for like the reasons of
01:01:15
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keep wearing a mask. I'm wearing a mask, but I feel like we've kind of at least for now gotten past that. And I've just been, I've actually been really proud of myself of maintaining my beard and not just letting it go out of control.
01:01:30
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Yeah, I've been trying to get better at actually maintaining it because for me it's always been an all or nothing kind of thing. I just take a trimmer to it and it's almost gone or it just looks like shit. It's one of those two. So I've been trying to actually trim it into a shape and stuff. But it actually worked out okay for me because I've been trying to grow my hair out pretty much since I got out of the hospital. So for over a year,
01:01:55
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but I was trying to do a thing where I could like keep it like work appropriate. So I was like getting like basically had an undercut so I could like style it and stuff. Um, and like, I was just dreading like growing the undercut out. Cause at a certain point you just can't really do that anymore. Um, and now like I haven't left the house in two months and it's almost all the way grown out. So that's one of the great things about this whole thing was just worth it just for that. Right. Exactly. Got to find the silver linings. Yeah.
01:02:25
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but uh yeah i mean i guess that's the show right yep i think though i haven't eaten dinner so i hope it's i hope that's the show okay good well we'll let you uh go eat dinner but thanks for hanging out with us hopefully the the twitch stream uh was worth it we tried some new software to uh make that a little bit easier um thanks to richard farley for hanging out with us thanks of course to full pool wines who
01:02:50
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God bless them. They keep sending us checks. I'm very happy that they do that. They are seriously a great company, and I hope people are using their services. This seems like a very good time to be using a wine delivery, or no, they're not delivering, but a wine subscription service. Maybe that's their next thing. I always thought they needed to get into beer and do the Tavor thing.
01:03:15
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um i don't know yeah i mean i would definitely i would switch over to them they're they're pretty much like their neighbors though i think they're like pretty close to each other who tavor and uh i'm pretty sure they are yeah i think so i think they're down in soto i think they were yeah they were in soto last time i remember yeah i had no idea can you go actually pick stuff up from them yeah you can pick stuff up yeah i haven't done that but um but you can yeah um this is blowing my mind
01:03:43
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I think it's on like 6th Avenue somewhere down there. Maybe Tamora needs to reach out to us and start sponsoring the show. I agree. We're talking about them so much. I agree. We've got to make sure. I just, man, I screwed up. I got my shipment today and there were like 60 beers in there.
01:04:02
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I'm going to eventually I'm going to drink it, I guess. So is it how many different beers are in there? Like I only got doubles of like three or four of them. So there's there's like a lot of hands in that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was because it kept the shipment kept getting delayed like it was supposed to come like a month ago.
01:04:24
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Um, cause they're, you know, it's just like everybody else they're behind right now. Um, so I'm not, I'm not mad about it, but I just kept seeing stuff I wanted and kind of add to mine, only being like, yeah, I'll get that.
01:04:34
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Then I saw how many it was and I was like, shit. So I'm going to be taking a couple of months off. I've been just going around to the breweries that are within relatively close driving distance of me and buying stuff from them. And I have quite a lot in my house, but I don't think I have 60 cans.
01:04:55
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would like, there just aren't really any breweries down here, you know, like the closest ones are all in Soto and that's like, you know, it's like 25 minutes away. So yeah. I mean, I've, that's a really far, that's so far to go 25 minutes. I mean, within, I mean, all the places I've been going on within like five minutes of my house and there's probably been there like half dozen of them, but anyway, uh, cool. Well, thanks for hanging out everyone. Um, I'm Jeremiah Shan signing off.
01:05:25
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For Aaron Campo, well, look at that. For Aaron Campo and Lickit, this is no study at this. And remember, you will never be all alone. Bye. Thanks, y'all. Thank you. Three in Douglasburg where the water's cut through. Down to wild mountains and tangents you flew. Canadian Northwest to the ocean so blue. It's roll on, Columbia roll on.
01:05:53
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Roll on, Columbia Roll on. Roll on, Columbia Roll on. Your power is turning our darkness to dawn. Roll on, Columbia Roll on. We love you. Let's win another one!