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S2 E5: Man in Suit
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With Chris off partying at Download Festival in Melbourne, Dan and Pete take to the airwaves to discuss a range of movies, the new Netflix Star Trek and Umbrella Academy, the 2019 line-up for DC showsmovies, Norsemen and Vikings, and a bunch of video games that failed to deliver (and a couple we desperately hope will!).
Beers reviewed this episode:
1) Chur Brewing Co. - Chur-veza - IPL - 6.2%
2) Dainton Family Brewing - Dmango Unchained - Session IPA - 4.7%
3) 3 Ravens & Sailors Grave Brewing - Over his Banes - New World Sahti - 5.9%
4) Chur Brewing Co - Freedom APA - APA - 5.6%
5) Bodriggy Brewing Co. - Chuckaboo - White IPA - 5.5%
Thanks as always to Justin Gonzales for the amazing metal intro-outro. And of course our fans, we love you guys!
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Transcript
Introduction and Overview
00:00:17
Speaker
Pixels and Pines. Hello, welcome back to Pixels and Pines. I'll get that right one day without having to ask Pete. Here we talk about movies, TV shows, games, comic books. Oh fuck, I forgot the comic books. I think we've got enough ways to talk about it now.
Christopher's Absence and Beer Discussion
00:00:35
Speaker
I'm joined with just Pete today. Howdy. Because Christopher is off partying in Melbourne at
00:00:43
Speaker
Download Festival. Download Festival. Without Ozzy Osbourne. Without Ozzy, but he got a free t-shirt out of it. I think he probably still feels a little ripped off. I know I fucking would. Hey, Ozzy's not here. Have a free festival t-shirt. Yeah, I'm just... You know what Chris is like though with his t-shirts. Yeah. Yeah.
00:00:59
Speaker
That shit will probably outlast him. World War 3 will just be Chris's t-shirts and the cockroaches. I think he came to a realisation the other day at one of our other friends' houses and we were looking, it's a big house, and looking at the custom-made wardrobe that they have with
00:01:17
Speaker
double leveled hanging space and you can pull down the top hanging space. I need one of these for my t-shirts. And then he was watching the, the little Japanese lady on Netflix that does all the cleaning up. Yeah. I forget her name. Okay. But then he started to do that with these t-shirts and he's like, I got a lot of fucking tea.
00:01:36
Speaker
So he's come to a realisation that, yeah, he's hogging most of the cupboard space. But we've probably ragged on him for that before, I'm very, very sure. Well, while we talk shit today too, we're going to have, I think I've got five beers. We've got a couple of lighter ones to start with, and we're going to crack open a chur brewing company from New Zealand, the Churveza Mexican Pale Lager.
00:02:01
Speaker
I got it. We'd like to always like to. And I'm looking forward to the Mexican spices. I mean, say some is my favorite beer at the moment.
00:02:10
Speaker
Treveza is just such a fucking awesome name. Like it just, it just absolutely sells itself. And it's... The Cairn Arts call is always... Yeah, the Chair Monster is awesome. And the use of the hopefully not copyrighted Corona font. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed that. The ads do it all. So yeah, we'll, we'll crack this one open. So what are you talking about today?
Captain Marvel and Netflix Movie Review
00:02:36
Speaker
I've got a bunch of shit that we can't talk about, ironically, so I will skip over a bunch of stuff. I'll tell you what though, I'm just going to address the White Elephant given the timing of the episode. We will not be talking about Captain Marvel. Oh yeah, okay, no. Because that's going to be something that Chris has a very strong opinion about. I haven't seen it anywhere. Yeah, neither have I, but I was blaming Chris as an excuse and he just fucked it, but sure.
00:02:58
Speaker
I would probably guarantee by the time we go to talk about it, I still wouldn't have seen it. Okay, so what have I seen? I am putting a house on the market. Yeah, you've got an excuse. I should have just not put anything up on that board and just write how to renovate a house and get it ready for going for sale in the market. Punisher season two, you've finished it, yeah? I haven't even started.
00:03:22
Speaker
We literally spoke about that two seconds before you hit record. Yeah, I just escaped my mind instantly. Let's talk about something that you don't need to see to follow my recommendations. What? Smell the beer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This smells so much like Ses Matos. It does. It really does. Like uncannily like Ses Matos.
00:03:43
Speaker
Um, so I watched a movie on Netflix. It's not kind of, I mean, it's, it's pop culture in the sense that it is science fiction. Um, but it's not common. It's got Falcon in it. It does have Falcon in it from the MCU. I'm sorry. I don't know his name IO last on earth. That is something that I just thought it was IO last on earth is the subheading. Is it sub title? Yeah. So, so the basic premise of the movie is, uh, we've wiped out all life on earth through some sort of calamity. It's not even really important. Why?
00:04:13
Speaker
I think there was some sort of disease that wiped out all plant life on Earth, maybe. The bees died. Well, no, the bees did die and there were... The bees did die, didn't they? The bees did die. No, actually, it was some sort of pollutant in the atmosphere that killed all life that it touched, animals and plants.
00:04:34
Speaker
Except it was, there was zones where everything was hunky-dory. It was okay if you're inside this magical zone that was shrinking. Yeah, they're the safe zones in every video game. But yeah, sure. They've taken a video game premise and just put it on there because they've got to leave a little area for the players to relax.
00:04:50
Speaker
I get it. But if there's some sort of bacterium or something in the atmosphere being airborne, then those safe zones would disappear in the first strong wind. It can't survive above a certain altitude. It's fucking weird. Anyway.
00:05:05
Speaker
The movie was slow. I watched it through to the end hoping it would get better and it didn't. It goes into my bad category for sure. Did Elon Musk save us all? Elon Musk did not save us all.
00:05:21
Speaker
Oh, then how did everybody else get off the planet? They didn't address that. Oh. And the main actress or the main character is... They kind of show that in the trailer and they just didn't address it in the movie. They didn't. Well, everyone has left to IO to live on IO. Yeah. They've left a few people behind on earth who didn't want to go. They're still running transports to IO regularly. And IO is a moon of Jupiter? Jupiter? Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:46
Speaker
And yeah, so everyone else has escaped and they're talking about colony ships to go and colonize some other planet as well. So, they're generation ships essentially. Yeah, and she's one of the last left on Earth and the last ships leaving soon and she thinks she can save Earth. She's a research scientist trying to figure out how to reverse the damage.
00:06:07
Speaker
And then this dude rocks up in a hot air balloon kind of Charlie's, Charlie's glass elevator kind of box. Oh yeah. It was like a, like a shuttle capsule. Yeah. Return to, return to earth capsule. That's right. That's right. Was that actually what it was? I'm pretty sure it was. I didn't, I have to admit it was like a cobbled together balloon. Didn't the balloon look like it was like Pat? Yeah, it was very much cobbled together.
00:06:32
Speaker
Anyway, it was throwing some steampunk elements in there with some not really they didn't focus on it at all Just overall the movie was just fucking shit. I have to say it was shit. I thought okay It's slow going maybe that's to kind of draw out the isolationism that she'd be experiencing I can handle that from an artistic perspective, but it just ended up being a little by the end of it. I
00:06:56
Speaker
I don't think... Probably can't say that. It was bad by the end of it. How's that? I've only ever seen a few movies like that that actually portray that isolation of someone really well. I've been meaning to go back and watch it for years, but it is such a fucking depressing movie. The Road with Viggo Mortensen. I've never seen it.
00:07:20
Speaker
I'm sure you recommended that I acquire it legally and I may actually have but I've never actually seen it. It's on Netflix. Yeah, that's how I acquired it legally Dan. But I think it only went to Netflix not long ago in one of their rotation periods. But it's definitely one of those if the world all turns to shit, this is
00:07:42
Speaker
a more
Umbrella Academy and Upcoming DC Shows
00:07:43
Speaker
realistic way of how this is going to happen. Like he was taping his boots up with gaffer tape. Wearing garbage bags and all that sort of stuff that you would really scrounge for after a few years of an apocalypse. So rather than everybody still looking fairly pristine. You're reminding me and we can't talk about it in much depth because you haven't seen Umbrella Academy.
00:08:10
Speaker
That's a Dark Horse comic based series. And again, I'm really enjoying the fact that Marvel have pulled out of Netflix because beyond now starting to do some DC content. I was nodding by the way. Beyond starting to do DC content, they're also now starting to spread out a little bit and do some other stuff that isn't well known.
00:08:32
Speaker
Yeah. So Umbrella Academy is a comic series that has nothing to do with anything else. Um, like I said, it's a dark horse comic series. It's really off beat. It's not a typical superhero. It's, it's about a broken family of people that have special powers and a monkey man and a monkey man. No, just the one. Well, yeah, mainly just the one. I don't want to say too much, but
00:08:58
Speaker
I've listened to the Weekly Planets description of it all. Right. Yeah. It's fucking brilliant. It is so different. It is a completely different type of story. It's told differently. I've never seen anything quite like it. It is very much a family centric series. That's the theme of the series. It's all about a dysfunctional family rather than going out and saving the world and having some sort of external threat. There are external threats as time travel is trying to maintain the timeline.
00:09:27
Speaker
The reason why you sparked the thought is one of the seven superhero or special powered characters can jump in space. And as a kid, he wants to jump. He wants to learn how to jump in time, jump in space. Yeah. So he can teleport. Oh, okay. Right. Sorry. I should have just said that. I was thinking jumper in the back of my head, which is a fucking great movie. Um, it gets ragged on. So like some of the, I really enjoyed it. Yeah. Some of the acting's not great, but geez, the,
00:09:55
Speaker
The actual premise of it is pretty good. I thought it was well executed. Sure. The act, the acting wasn't great, but it was a, it was a one off movie with a bunch of no names. Yeah. And the teleporting in it's pretty, pretty bloody good. And, and the storyline itself follows a path that I'd probably follow myself. It was realistic in that sense. Hey, look, I can teleport anywhere in the world. I'm only going to two places in someone's wardrobe so I can watch them get changed, which they didn't portray in the movie just for the record or inside a bank vault.
00:10:20
Speaker
Yeah. Like it nailed it for me. Anyway, so he teleports in space and then he says as a kid, I want to try and teleport in time. Their father figure says, no, you're not ready for it yet. And he goes, fuck you and does it anyway. Ends up in the future post-apocalyptic. So the world's ended and he's there by himself.
00:10:39
Speaker
he's there for like 40 or 50 years by himself and then at the start of the series he comes back and I won't reveal some detail around that but he comes back and so he spent the last 40 or 50 years, he comes back and he's talking about his wife, he's missing his wife
00:10:59
Speaker
Turns out it's a fucking mannequin. So he's dragged a mannequin from the age of maybe 15 or 16 when he teleported there. He's dragged mannequin through post-apocalyptic America for 40 or 50 years, speaks to her like it's a proper relationship. Hey, Tom Hanks spoke to a fucking volleyball. When he comes back, shit happens to this mannequin and he's genuinely affected as if it was a person. It's really well portrayed. That isolationism is really well portrayed. He ends up building a relationship with a mannequin.
00:11:28
Speaker
She's got a name. I wish I could remember a name. I should remember a name, but anyway. Why would you remember the mannequins name? Because it's mentioned a lot. Okay. Anyway, Umbrella Academy, brilliant series on Netflix at the moment. It's done one season. It leads it wide open for season two. Whilst I could predict a lot of the plot twists.
00:11:47
Speaker
There were a couple at the end that I didn't, I knew what was going to happen, but the how actually surprised me, which was refreshing, but really well constructed, fucked up in all the right kind of ways. Yeah, I'll watch it in the next couple of weeks, or at least some of it, and then we'll get back to it. Yep.
00:12:05
Speaker
I think that that's probably another good movement over to what I've got written on the right hand side there to that DC list. Yeah. Because that appeared that actual list appeared in the back of a comic book or on the first first inside cover of a comic book that I read last night. That is the rundown of DC shows for the next 12 months.
00:12:27
Speaker
No. Some of. Yep. So you got the weird and wacky Doom Patrol. So that's what made me think of Doom Patrol when you said Umbrella Academy is off the wall. Yeah. I think Doom Patrol is going to be really weird and off the wall too, because we've got a sneak peek of them in Titans. Swamp Thing. Yeah.
00:12:43
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I'm reserving judgment. Yeah. I think it's going to be good. Oh, you know what? Actually you're, you're absolutely right. Doom patrol and umbrella academy are the, the, cause you don't get a lot of doing patrol in Titans, but that the little bit that you did get, yes. Does very much reminds me of umbrella academy in a lot of ways. Yeah. Quickiness old man in the mansion, looking after the family.
00:13:09
Speaker
Yeah, and they're not truly a family, but they become a family unit of sorts. Yeah, they look after each other and there's internal politics and shit. The only other thing, sorry, you just reminded me, the only other thing I'll say on Umbrella Academy before I close, it was fucking hilarious. Okay. It was genuinely laugh out loud on your couch funny. Entertaining in other ways. Yeah.
00:13:29
Speaker
Uh, so we got Doom Patrol in February. I don't know what platform we're getting that on Australia, unfortunately yet. We're getting Swamp Thing. I've heard mentions of Swamp Thing. I like Swamp Thing. The Swamp Thing had a really good comic book run, uh, after the new 52 started. I just don't know how it's going to translate into live action. It's going to be weird. They're really going to do really well. Like a group kind of bit more swampy or really poorly.
00:13:55
Speaker
Yeah, so it's, I reckon they'll either do it, they can only go one of two ways. They can go full CG, or they can go weird plastic man, rubber suit. Yeah, and that just comes down to budget. Although Netflix budgets these days match Hollywood movies. Well, I don't know if it's Netflix. I don't actually know what platform any of these are coming from. Okay. Well, Doom Patrol, you'd have to assume a Netflix given it's a spinoff from Titans. No, Titans wasn't Netflix.
00:14:20
Speaker
Titans. They acquired it, did they? They acquired it, yeah. So hopefully they do the same for Doom Patrol. My big happiness about Swamp Thing coming out is I love Constantine, so I'd love Constantine to make a very strong appearance in Swamp Thing because they have a very big connection. Have been enjoying him in DC's Legends of Tomorrow. Yeah, you mentioned that a couple of times. I'm not up to date on it. I'm still not going to watch it. I like Constantine, but I'm still not going to watch that enough to
00:14:48
Speaker
It's actually more about Constantine at the moment than it is about Legends of Tomorrow, which is cool. Anyway, carry on. Stargirl, no idea. That's in August. That's another spin-off from Titans. Yeah, sure. Hopefully they use the same actress. Who's Stargirl?
00:15:08
Speaker
Who am I thinking of? Starfire. Starfire. Oh my god. And then in October Harley Quinn is getting a full animated series. An adult. I'll read you the first couple. God, I hope they do it well. She's one of my favourite characters. Ever since Injustice, she's been one of my favourite characters. And it's an alternate character too. It's like...
00:15:31
Speaker
It's not the personality she's portraying in a lot of comic series that she's in, but her character in injustice is crucial to injustice, so much so that they spun off a Harley Quinn perspective on the injustice storyline.
00:15:46
Speaker
Yeah, they did their own car. Yeah, they did. Yeah, I remember hearing about that. Yeah. Probably on the podcast probably was actually that seemed like a very interesting way to do it. But I just feel that she's now a very overused saturated character. She's in everything. She's a big driver behind the Arkham games. She's now leading not only is she leading in Suicide Squad. Yeah, but they're doing birds of prey.
00:16:14
Speaker
Yeah. She's now getting her own animated series. But Dan, we need to empower women by just kind of blistering them across the screen over and over and over again instead of. And not fleshing them out to be in the form of. Yeah. I honestly, I hope that they do a better job with Captain Marvel.
00:16:32
Speaker
Oh, I'm sure they will. Because there's a difference between putting more focus on female characters, which they've always needed to do. I completely, I am enjoying that, but they have to be fully fleshed out characters. Yeah. And I think it has to be a fun one. And I've read some of the
00:16:50
Speaker
I've read some of the thinking behind female characters, like main characters in movies and TV lately, and it feels like it's a minefield to try. Because if you make them too masculine to replace male traditional leads, then you aren't really representing a female character. You're representing a male character with boobs, essentially, and it's disempowering in that sense.
00:17:14
Speaker
If you make them to what a older person who would get in trouble from the SJWs would refer to as traditionally female and they're too emotional, then you're kind of disempowering because that's just reflecting a stereotype. So where the fuck do you land?
00:17:30
Speaker
I mean, a fully fleshed out character with their own personality, their own backstory. Good series should do that anyway, irrespective of gender. I think they'll get there eventually. I hope so. They're only trying, they're trying different ways. And I mean, I haven't even heard or seen anything about Captain Marvel yet. Except that a bunch of trolls fucked it on rotten potatoes, rotten tomatoes before it even came out. Oh yeah, I know. They had like a 66% rating. I did hear about that. But the trolls were also already smashing the next Star Wars movie.
Harley Quinn and Beer Critique
00:17:58
Speaker
which is not going to be released until December and probably all the same people probably um so the first couple of lines of this description on Harley Quinn animated show was the first original animated series being produced by DC Universe Harley Quinn offers a
00:18:15
Speaker
Decidedly adult take on the maid of mischief. I've never actually heard her call that but I must be Yeah, somewhere. Yeah, the Harley Quinn series first trailer promises comedy action and incredibly gratuitous violence And the next best thing is Alan Tudyk is playing the Joker. So I'm very happy about yeah Yeah, I just hope they don't make her into a slut
00:18:38
Speaker
I don't think that. Well, who knows? I really, really hope they don't. She has done with the animated angry when you mentioned that. I think it was last episode that she's always done. She's always doing a musical in the animated movies. No, that was Chris. I haven't seen those ones. And she's always all also always fucking somebody. Yeah. And to me, that is genuinely disempowering because she is a fully fleshed out character. She's a fucked up unit. She's interesting. She doesn't need the sex to make her interesting.
00:19:08
Speaker
No, they just, I think they're just looking at ways to make some of these things more adult. It's kind of making, it's kind of like Batman fucking Batgirl. Yeah, in the killing joke that was... It just looked around, you looked around the cinema at the time and everyone had the same awkward look on their face. Like they just walked in on their parents, bang. Why they put that in is... It just felt so out of place and awkward. Yeah, it was...
00:19:31
Speaker
I actually think walking in on your parents fucking, that's quite a good analogy. Cause that's how I felt. It was just wrong and dirty. And after watching it for you, like watching that sounded really, really off. After reading. Rule four of the internet, Dan.
00:19:47
Speaker
Batman comics for so long and how she interacts in the games and animated series and everything like that. He's a mentor to all these young people taking on these, these lives. And you never sleep with your mentor. No, he was the parent figure for like the, the, the Robbins were or either actual adopted sons or wards.
00:20:13
Speaker
We have a cat on the table. She's never done this before. We've done four episodes of the podcast here and she wants to sit on your lap. There's something wrong.
00:20:25
Speaker
Dan must have rubbed himself in catnip before he came over. No, you've got to make a decision here, lady. It's extremely disruptive to a podcast. So. What are we drinking, Dan? We have. Thanks. Thanks. You're going to have to kick her off, man. Off. Off. Off.
00:20:48
Speaker
Dayton from Victoria. We have the manga, manga unchained, but the D is silent. Mango. Uh, session IPA. So, uh, yellow writing on yellow label. Can't read it. Not going to try.
00:21:05
Speaker
Um, hang on. Yellow riding on. Oh, what the fuck? Mango's come in a can. Can you read that? Yeah. Mango's come in a can. They were put there by Dan in a factory in Karam Downs. If we had our own little way, we'd drink mango beer all day. I would too, except there's no mango in this beer.
00:21:28
Speaker
So, I'm not sure that's appropriate to put on the can. There is back palate mango. It's not real punchy. Certainly don't get any mango on the, you know, from the scent. No, not on the nose at all, unfortunately. I was looking forward to that. Yeah. And it's fucking peaches anyway, not mangoes. That's right. And somebody else has already used it for a peaches beer.
00:21:54
Speaker
Uh, yeah. So full power to the presidents. Uh, not so much to the beer. Yeah. I mean, look, it's as a sessionable IPA or a session IPA, a low ABV IPA. It's not that great either. No, no, there's, there's no, I feel like we never shit on, on craft beer.
00:22:13
Speaker
Yeah, sorry about that one. I kind of want to like it. But to me, in fact, there's quite a lot of saltiness in this. There's the bitterness comes right at the end. There's there is mango end of palette mango to it.
00:22:28
Speaker
But not, like for a can that's plastered in mango hearts. Literally mangoes. You would literally mangoes? The can's plastered in literally mangoes. It's literally plastered in mangoes, Dan. Pictures of mangoes? Yes.
00:22:44
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I would have expected a big punchy mango character. And like I said, I get a lot of salt out of it to me. It's yeah. It's not salt. It's not an IPA. I don't think there's enough punchy hop character in there. I get almost no hops out of it. No, I get, but other than bitterness, I actually don't get any, any hops out of it. Hmm.
00:23:06
Speaker
Oh, look, sorry. Yeah. Um, they won't be able to hear it, but now that we've hung a hat on it. Um, what I do get is I just burped and I did burp up quite a lot of mango flavor, which is weird. How did you put that in my stomach for it to only escape? Sorry for, for, for me to be only able to taste it while it's escaping. That's, that's just odd.
00:23:29
Speaker
Anyway, anyway, anyway, we didn't actually say anything about the Treveza. The Treveza was really good. It was really good, but it was like drinking a SESAMANOS, I've got to say. Very much like that. I'd drink more if it was cheaper than SESAMANOS, I guess. I used to don't know what price was on that. It was good. No, it's, and you know what, it did have something different in it. There was, there was, if you put it next to a SESAMANOS, I reckon I could pick the two. To me, it was just a little spicier at the end.
00:23:58
Speaker
Yeah, mine is a little higher in hot bitterness or something. Cause the, say someone else is super low in bitterness. So yeah, might've just had the, I'm going to try some more after that. I've been seeking out pubs that have it on tap. Cause I can't get enough. Say someone else.
00:24:16
Speaker
I went through a case in like a week and a half, and I never drink fucking beer. You really live really close to the source, you know? Yeah, but it's really weird going to the pub that my mate works at, because I can't annoy you and drag you out for a beer. Unless you're there after bloody work hours. Anyway, so that's... Harley Quinn. And then the last one.
00:24:40
Speaker
Why did you- I just put it there because I'm really excited. Titans season two in 2020. 2020. It just seems so far away and yet it's only next year. It's not, yeah. We're in fucking March already. It's like the next year. It's like next season's year. Yeah. It could be like as early as January, February. So we could be eight months away from- Titans season two. Titans season two. I can't fucking wait. I know. Geez, I did a good job of that. Yeah. Anyway, we spent most of an episode talking about Titans. Yeah, we don't need to retouch.
00:25:09
Speaker
I just, that was, that was just a quick rundown because when I saw that page in the comic book last night, I was really surprised that DC was pumping out those, those amount of shows. And if they're the quality of Titans, I'm in man. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking nice. I mean, can we talk about Star Trek discovery? I haven't seen it, but go for it.
00:25:28
Speaker
Do you watch Star Trek? I've watched Star Trek on and off over the years. Louise is a massive, my wife Louise, is a massive Deep Space Nine fan. Of course she is. It was the soap opera version of Star Trek.
00:25:53
Speaker
Okay. I mean, look, and the DS9 had lots of great episodes. I've seen all of them. I'm a mad Trekkie. I always have been. I was raised on... Yeah, because you got through all the Voyager and everything. I bought Voyager. I don't know where it went, but I've got the Borg Cube box set somewhere. Yeah.
00:26:10
Speaker
Thoroughly enjoyed. So I've seen every episode of Next Gen, Voyager, DS9. So me, Next Gen. Yeah, fuck yeah. It ran for like 15 years. And there wasn't there like 20 episodes in the season? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, back when they made ridiculously long seasons. Yeah. One hour episodes. They still do make 20 episode seasons of stuff. I can't think of any right now. Gifted? Maybe? I don't remember. 20 episodes of Gifted. Something like that.
00:26:37
Speaker
I don't know. I'll look at it while I'm not the one talking. How do I even pay the fucking actors for that many freaking episodes these days? Well, it's not these days. Well, yeah, no, I'll find a series that has that many episodes. But, well, and if you look at Big Bang Theory, that runs for 23, 24 episodes a season, but then there are only 15, 20 minute episodes. Well, exactly. Take the ads out. They're 20 minute episodes.
00:26:59
Speaker
There's ads. And they have a single set. Yeah. Yeah. So they, well. For the most part. For 99% of it. Three sets, I guess. Yeah. The university. Leonard, well, four, if you count the university. Leonard and Sheldon's set apartment, Penny's apartment, the university and the comic book store. Howard's house.
00:27:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's actually come up quite a lot. They're probably sets that they borrow from other sitcoms not in that genre. Yeah, true. So Star Trek Discovery, the latest, actually, you know what, the only Star Trek series I've never watched was Enterprise.
00:27:37
Speaker
Well, where they went back. See, I actually did watch enterprise because I really liked it. But I came off the high of Voyager where it's, it's technology. Like it's, I want to say in the future, but all of it's in the future, but the technology had evolved from all of the other series.
00:27:56
Speaker
Do you feel having watched Voyager that they, if it was that length of in the future from next generation or whatever it was and things that advanced so far, do you think that's why they stripped it all the way back because they got a little bit lost and didn't know where to go from there or? I don't know. Do you think it was just a cheap gimmick that let's show you where the enterprise started? No, I don't think it was a cheap, cheap gimmick. I think after DS9, Voyager, am I missing any?
00:28:26
Speaker
i feel like i'm missing a whole star trek series next gen well i mean there's the original then next gen then ds9 then voyager i i think they had to bring it back because after i think
00:28:42
Speaker
I think you're right. I think that's it. I think Deep Space Nine kind of was the first statically set series. Obviously, they traveled around, but most of the series was set on the Starbase. Yeah. Deep Space Nine. I think there was a lot more expansion of individual characters, wasn't there? Yeah, there definitely was. The guy that ran the bar and all that stuff. Yeah, Quark. And I also think that it started to feel a little bad nine.
00:29:09
Speaker
Yeah. Because you got to remember, Bab9, I mean, it's... Bab5, sorry. Babble on 5. I can't believe I fucked that up. People are going to kill me. If anybody doesn't know what Babble on 5 is, go and punch it into YouTube. I could push the boundary on CGI at the time. At the time I did, yeah.
00:29:29
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But these days kids, I mean the people that are into pop culture these days, the 20 something year olds wouldn't know what bad five is. No, because it wasn't particularly good even back then. Didn't run that long either. No. It had a cool...
00:29:45
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I liked the politics between the factions, the races. It was very faction heavy, wasn't it? It was genuinely, I wouldn't say realistic, but they had diplomacy, they had representatives, they had embassies. Was it a lot more violent than the Star Trek's?
00:30:03
Speaker
Oh, fuck yes. Yeah. I remember it. Maybe that's what let it down. It was, it was maybe a little bit before. Anyway. Um, yeah. So do you remember series called, uh, space above and beyond? Yes, I do. I don't remember much about it beyond the name, but then I remembered DSV.
00:30:23
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Yeah, well, the space above and beyond was around the same time. I just kind of remember the deep space vehicle, the no deep sea vehicle. Yeah, it was a submarine. I remember their fighters being like World War Two esque.
00:30:42
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fighters? Which? The space above and beyond. I don't remember. Anyway, you... About an hour ago, we were talking about... Star Trek, just go for it. Star Trek. Well, yeah, look, sorry, to answer your question, I think they had to go back to the roots because they'd done DS9, set on a space station at the edge of the quadrant. I can't remember which quadrant. God, it's been too long. Delta.
00:31:09
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No, maybe I've never said don't think so. And and they did deal with more politics, but it did end up feeling a little bad five. Then they went to to Voyager, which was the Delta Quadrant opposite end of the galaxy had to slowly fly home.
00:31:26
Speaker
Oh no, they weren't quite World War II. They were more different, similar to our fighter jets. Yeah, they're pretty close. I think they had to do Star Trek Enterprise to bring it back to the roots of the series. It was about the ship Enterprise and the stuff that they did on it.
00:31:46
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Yeah. Anyway, Star Trek Discovery, Netflix series completely retold. They don't cover, they don't recover existing ground. It's set before Enterprise was really in parallel. There's going to be spoilers here because I'm about to ask a question about something got heard. But they've, they've completely reinvented what the, Jesus. Do they end up in a parallel timeline?
00:32:13
Speaker
They do for a while. Oh, for only for a while. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Which was, I've got to say, I've never seen a Star Trek series written as a seasonal arc. The way that I love the series that I'm not allowed to talk about, according to the podcast rules, as being five episodes. Oh, you caught yourself there. Tattooed on my arm. Um, but no, they, they, it's, it's written as episodic content, but it all delivers to an arc.
00:32:40
Speaker
And that's what I love about Netflix when they do it right to me. You write about that Chavez being spicier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Um, but they've, they've reinvented Klingons.
00:32:51
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Yeah, I think somebody mentioned it. They look completely different. They haven't reinvented them from a conceptual perspective. They're still tribal warring race by nature, but it deals with kind of the pretext behind the Klingon Empire before it's an empire. There are a bunch of warring factions. The series deals with them coming together under one leader.
00:33:12
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Um, lots of, lots of spy craft, lots of, um, double, you know, backstabbing and double agents and some really, really well written content. We're now almost towards the end of season two. And here's the thing that really impressed me. The last episode I watched.
00:33:31
Speaker
is directly integrated into the overall arc, Spock's in it, Spock's in Season 2, one of the main characters from the original series. Zachary Quinto? No, no, Zachary, he's from the movies, it's completely outside of the movie timeline. Oh, so there's another Spock? The Star Trek movie timeline exists in its own universe.
00:33:52
Speaker
So this exists, this series exists in the main Star Trek universe. So Leonard Nimoy's book, but not Leonard Nimoy. Yeah, because he's young and you know, Leonard's dead. And whilst we can use CGI to age people pretty well. Rest in peace, Leonard Nimoy. Yeah, absolutely. That was a sad day. Whilst we can age people with CGI, de-aging them hasn't worked out quite so well for a couple of characters from Star Wars recently.
00:34:20
Speaker
Anyway, Star Wars, Princess Leia, they deaged her for the end of the movie. That wasn't a de-aging, that was a complete CGI character. Yeah, yes. But anyway, so they've got a different character playing Spock and they've actually nailed the gut feel of the Spock character in it. What I was going to say is whilst it's integrated into the timeline that we're currently in, it's part of the arc
00:34:46
Speaker
What they managed to do in the latest episode that I just finished watching was tie the episode back to the second episode of Star Trek they ever recorded. Oh, okay. Before William Shatner was the captain, Chris Pike.
00:35:04
Speaker
Christopher Pike, was that his name? Yeah, Captain Chris Pike was the first captain of the Enterprise. He's in season two as the captain of the ship there on Discovery. And it's perfectly, it's seamlessly melded in as to why he's on the ship, why he's captain. After he had the Enterprise.
00:35:23
Speaker
Yes. The Enterprise is currently disabled in the middle of space somewhere getting repaired and off on its own mission. With Kirk as captain? No. No. He left the ship because the Klingon Wars just finished on the Klingon. It's not the Klingon War, but a Klingon Wars just finished with the Federation, you know, the Federation of Planets. So he was stuck on a disabled Enterprise. He stepped onto Discovery and now he's the captain of Discovery.
00:35:53
Speaker
But for them to tie an episode whilst in the middle of a story arc to seamlessly tie it into the second episode of Star Trek ever recorded, which was seamlessly 60s, 60s was really fucking impressive.
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00:36:08
Speaker
And it built on a storyline established in the 60s. The Klingons do look cool. They do look fucking cool. I like every iteration of Klingons though. Well, yeah, that was getting a little long in the tooth. I'm glad that they kind of just said, you know what? We want to leave our own fucking mark on the series.
00:36:22
Speaker
But no, if you're a Trekkie, even if you're not a Trekkie, and that's what I do like about the Netflix Star Trek Discovery series. It's accessible to somebody who's never seen a Star Trek episode. Yeah. And it's modernized, it's sexified. It is very much a modern science fiction series. It just happens to be set in a living, breathing world that's already been established.
00:36:44
Speaker
That's what they need to do. If they're going to bring new fans in, they need to be able to go that route and start again, basically. I'm enjoying these episodes, even if I wasn't a Trekkie. Not that I would ever call myself a Trekkie normally, but even if I wasn't a fan of some of the Star Trek series that have released over the years. 1966 original series?
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah, wow. I would love this series. So check it out on Netflix, even if you're not a Trekkie. I'm going to get to it. Eventually. You don't automatically turn into a Trekkie. You're not going to go to conventions and wonder why the fuck you there. You just kind of wake up and you're in the car park. Have you ever watched that documentary?
00:37:24
Speaker
Yes. I haven't watched it yet. And one of my all time favourite movies, you know, popcorn movies is Galaxy Quest, which took the piss out of the Trekkies. It's such a fucking good movie. And I'm sure we've spoken about that. I don't think we have. I don't think we've ever talked about Galaxy Quest on the podcast. We do need to take a break because we've run out of beer.
00:37:45
Speaker
Oh, what have we got? White IP. Oh, I am. We're back. But he sneakily presses the button. I always sneakily press a button. Yeah. I know you record though. You, I mean, you, you do the editing, so I always cut it back. Uh, so we have, we have a bog rig. I did, I did it again. Chris is going to be right up my ass about that. Bog Riggy. Uh, Chuckaboo white IPA.
00:38:09
Speaker
Cool. Don't mind a white APA. Yeah, I know. That's why I grabbed it. Cause we haven't, I don't think we've actually had one for a while. Uh, what's the percentage on that one? 5.5. Uh, we've got another church freedom APA. It's our American power. Uh, 5.6. And the one I'm looking forward to. Yeah. This is the sailors grave and three Ravens new world.
00:38:33
Speaker
I couldn't read it. Sati? Sati? Sati, S-A-H-T-I, which is a, what did I decide it was? A Finnish beer that was made with juniper. I do like juniper and beer. And that just goes to, I made a beer last, or a couple of weeks ago for an event on the Friday just passed that was at the local tap house, a Norwegian yeast event. I can't pronounce the name of the yeast.
00:39:01
Speaker
It's K-V-E-I-K. There we go. I don't know. I don't know. Everybody, everybody I've spoken to about it has pronounced it differently. I'm very slowly learning Arabic. So the idea of having silent consonants at the start of words isn't all that foreign to me anymore. Yeah. So I've been, I've been reading a lot of Norse stuff lately. So getting used to pronouncing the things their way and I still can't pronounce it. They jam our whole fucking alphabet into a lot of those words and you don't pronounce any of it. No, exactly.
00:39:30
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It's crazy. So using, using juniper, I use juniper, oak chips, yarrow, lemon, myrtle leaves and coriander seeds in a, in a, in a dark grew it. I really, I enjoyed making it and I enjoyed drinking it. So I was really, I was really happy that with that, with that Norwegian, Norwegian yeast as well. So I'm really stoked to try that one with juniper. So should we go with that one first?
00:39:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. What are we going to finish with? I'm going to feel like everything else is going to be a weak finish. Well, no, I think the white IPA is probably the way to finish just because the palette. Yeah. And it's going to be hoppier. Ooh, frothy. Yeah. Do you need something or you're right? No, no, that's right. It was actually, you know what? I don't think that's any form of secondary ferment or anything. I think it's actually just filled to the fucking brim. So we've had a bit of a spillover.
00:40:28
Speaker
Only just three drops. That's all right. Table's made out of wood anyway. Literally filled to the mouth base. Yeah. Getting the value out of the beer there. Yeah. So I know it's not Finnish, but Norseman.
00:40:44
Speaker
Yeah. I like. Norseman the TV show on Netflix. On Netflix. I do like that there are series that are aimed at the 22 minute kind of timeframe. Yeah. I think we've mentioned that before with a couple of bits and bits. Yeah. In the context of Big Bang Theory, there was another one that I was watching that I... Oh, I don't mean just this episode. I mean previously. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, cheers. Cheers. I haven't seen you in a few weeks.
00:41:11
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Mm, it's got an interesting scent. I'm gonna mark this with a third beer. Dan's gone silent while he smells the beer. Definitely has that juniper kick to it, that really florally berry. I was so amazed. I blitzed the juniper berries before I put them in my beer, but I blitzed them with the lemon myrtle leaves that had been steeped in warm water to start with.
00:41:37
Speaker
and the coriander seed. So the actual floral aroma that came off those three different botanicals was amazing. You need to taste it now because I'm really impressed by the palette. It's really complex.
00:41:55
Speaker
It is quite fizzy as well. Oh, good God. That's good. Indeed. Yeah. So that's a really florally botanically, but it's got that, it's got that, like that, that harsher Australian bitterness that you get from
00:42:11
Speaker
But it's not a lasting bitterness either. No, no, it dies off. It's on the front of the palate. Yeah, it dies off real quick, but it's definitely a different sort of astringent bitterness than what you get from hops. Yeah, I do have to say I feel like it's almost over carbonated. It definitely is. So being filled to the mouthpiece plus a little bit of extra fermentation or extra carbonation in it did make it fizz out over the can. But even the mouthfeel.
00:42:39
Speaker
It's a little too creamy. Yeah. I actually think that thins it out a little bit more. I mean, it's very bubbly, but... It is very bubbly. Get off.
00:42:49
Speaker
off. We have pussy issues tonight. We do. Not the ones that any of us want really. Um, she's stalking you now. She knows she's in trouble. So she's got that look on her face. She's got the sheepish look. Yeah. Um, yeah, no, I'm really impressed by that BIM. What were we talking about? Norseman. Um, short episodes, 20, 25 minute episodes. Uh, not Norseman could be finished.
00:43:12
Speaker
Yeah, but the Scandinavia is Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, and Estonia. Okay. I'm going there in four months. I've got to learn this place. I'm fucking hilarious. Yeah. Absolutely hilarious. I was really disappointed. There was only like six episodes in season two.
00:43:31
Speaker
And it's like, oh, okay, next one. I've got time for another one. And there was no more. Yeah. You can just pump through it real quick. Yeah. But fucking funny as hell. We had this conversation obviously outside of the podcast, but it's so straight faced so much of it. And it just delivered in a point where you go, you start watching some of it and you go, is this a comedy?
00:43:52
Speaker
It's, is it? It reminded me of watching The Office, the original Office. Yeah, okay. It's that awkward, really awkward humour. It's not quite as cringe-worthy. No, but it definitely is awkward. You're right. It's definitely awkward. It's very English in that sense. Yeah, very European-style, yeah. Fucking loved it.
00:44:11
Speaker
really thoroughly enjoyed Norseman. And so much so that I've actually, Chris always gives me shit, gives me shit because I can watch something halfway through and then stop because real life took over and then go back and watch the second half. And Chris is like, you can't fucking stop something. Once you start, you have to finish. And it's like, yeah, sometimes real life just doesn't allow that to happen. So I watched most of the first episode of Vikings last night.
00:44:37
Speaker
Because I'd run out of Norseman episodes and I've never watched Vikings. It's very different. It is chalk and cheese, other than the accents. I'm back on season one because I'm fully up to date and getting through to the next season, which is actually going to be the last season, unfortunately. And they're talking about doing a spin off, but I don't know who the spin off is going to be about. But the first two or three episodes take a little bit.
00:45:04
Speaker
No, probably a little bit more than that, but. I'm already hooked. I enjoy the culture, the ancient traditions, ancient. And those first couple of seasons were actually made by the History Channel. Yeah. So everything, I mean, they always followed that path of trying to be as historically accurate as they could be with the colonies, the housing, the farming, the clothing, the weaponry, everything like that. Even visiting the soothsayers that have been blinded
00:45:33
Speaker
Yeah, and the characters are based on real life historical figures. Oh, right. I did not know that. Yeah, Ragnar Lothbrok and his five sons. Yeah, okay. Well, potentially that
00:45:49
Speaker
They're in mythology, history attached to him, so... I did like the Shield Maidens at the start of the first episode. They're on a battlefield, a bunch of dead people, and a bunch of ghosts pull the spirits of the dead... Valkyries. Yeah. Yeah, the Shield Maidens. No, Valkyries. Shield Maidens are different. Shield Maidens are the actual female warriors. Right. So... Live female warriors. So the cat that has been annoying us tonight, her name is Kara, she was named after one of the Valkyries.
00:46:17
Speaker
Okay, so they hover above the battlefield after the battles over and lift the spirits out of the bodies and take them to Valhalla Odin's all Valhalla. Hmm. Very cool Yes, that's all I wanted to say on Norseman. If you haven't seen it, it's it's worth a watch. It's a short series and very very entertaining
00:46:36
Speaker
And just quirky and off the wall and just straight faced. And you can just see that some of those scenes they would have had to have done 10 times. Just to stop the laughter. Yeah, exactly. You can see some of them, especially in some of the things the guys say, the female that they're
00:46:56
Speaker
Saying it too, you can just kind of see the edges of the smile. I never understood the, they never really explained the, what do you call it? The tail? He had a tail. One of the main characters always talked about his bottom tail. Never really explained it. Yeah. I'm kind of glad they didn't in that, in some senses. Yeah. Yeah. Quirky. Good.
00:47:17
Speaker
So Vikings, you've actually put Vikings up on the board, I didn't see that. I did, just because it was when I wrote that up season six, I think it was, just finished. So we're just waiting for the next and last season. So I was going to talk about that. But if you started, I'm not going to.
00:47:33
Speaker
Well, they've killed they've killed Arrow. So Arrow is going to do one last season. Yeah, that's it. I saw I saw a headline of that last night. I think I heard and I haven't done any research to follow it up, but I think I heard they're going to be killing quite a lot of them. So the show is not the characters. Yeah, the shows. So I don't know that Supergirl is going to survive. I'm pretty sure they've got one last season. And are these DC calls?
00:47:56
Speaker
I don't know. I genuinely don't know. Supergirl is a different network to the other two. No, it's all CW. Oh, they're all CW. No, the one that you're thinking of is Gotham and that is, this is the last season of Gotham. I thought there was a thing that, did Supergirl start as CW? Yes. Oh, I thought there was a big issue when they did the, well not a big issue, but I thought there was a, why they hadn't interlinked before the first crossover.
00:48:19
Speaker
You're making me worry that I haven't done enough research. Because she was in a different network than the Arrowverse. I don't know. And then the crossover was apparently a big thing because they were different networks. I could be talking out my arse. I obviously need to do more research, which I'm told regularly for this podcast. They're so close in aesthetic and
00:48:42
Speaker
and character and everything like that. And I've been enjoying it. Even Supergirl, I enjoy that less than Flash and Arrow, but I still enjoy it. It's interesting. I do find it interesting that Carol Danvers is the sister of Kara. Which one's Carol? Oh, okay. The main character. Yeah, of Supergirl. And who's Captain Marvel? Brie Larson. The character? What's her real life name?
00:49:11
Speaker
It's not the actor, the character. It's not Carol Danvers, but it is Danvers. And to have a DC character with a surname of Danvers and a- And a Marvel character. With the same surname just seemed odd considering they could, they literally just picking fucking names out of a hat, right? Hey, who didn't get together and talk about the fucking mother's name of Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent? Like seriously. That's true.
00:49:39
Speaker
They just, they just fucking set it up for some idiot to play on it. What? 80 years later. I'm going to let Zach Schneider get hold of that one. Kind of glad they did though. I'm not. Carol Danvers.
00:49:54
Speaker
That's Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel. Okay. Yeah. So I thought that was a bit weird, to be honest. Yeah. That they both had the same fucking name. Anyway, it's random. But yeah, so they're finishing Arrow, which... I wonder if DC's is pulling them because of what I just spoke about earlier. Their list of new shows coming out. Yeah, quite possibly. Maybe not to dilute the pool even more or something. Alex Danvers is.
00:50:22
Speaker
is um the sister in did I just no they are Danvers they're both Danvers so Carol Danvers is Captain Marvel and Alex Danvers is Cairo's sister in Supergirl oh okay oh in the CW telling of Supergirl because they have kind of fudged some characters together and changed genders and sexualities they've I mean even in the comic books there's never
00:50:45
Speaker
There's never a set storyline. The continuity gets challenged all the fucking time. For all of them. I mean, I remember one period where they had, uh, uh, Jor-El coming to earth and meeting up with, uh, Thomas and Martha Wayne. And that was, that was like, that was like the new 52, the link between the Waynes and, um, the Waynes and, uh, Kal-El's real parents. And yeah, it was weird.
00:51:14
Speaker
That is a little weird. It was weird. I've got those comic books somewhere. I'll see if I can fish them out. But that was definitely a weird sort of shoehorned make Superman and Batman closer than what it was. But they both got the same names for their moms. One thing that they advertised in the comic books that I read last night too, they've novelised The Killing Joke, Mad Love and Court of Owls.
00:51:38
Speaker
Ooh. Yeah. I would like to read The Court of Ours. Yeah, me too. That'd be an interesting one. I hope the novelizations are good because that sort of sparked my interest too. I'd read Court of Ours novelizations. Gotta say I'm enjoying Gotham. The latest season of Gotham is set on the island where they've cut all the, so the Joker and Ra's al Ghul have blown up the bridges. They've declared martial law. The government won't intervene. It's Ra's al Ghul. It depends on who you fucking ask. It's Ra's al Ghul.
00:52:08
Speaker
Okay, whatevs. His name is pronounced Rajaagul in a lot of the, I mean, in the Arrowverse, for example. Yeah, because they all pulled it from Batman Begins where they pronounced it wrong. There you go. That's how this shit gets inserted.
00:52:25
Speaker
I've been enjoying it though. I mean, they're stuck on the island. Everyone's got factions. So the Joker has these people and which we haven't actually met or I haven't met yet. I'm way behind on Gotham. The Penguin has his own gang. They're setting up the gangs that you see in most Batman kind of series. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, I do find a lot of those TV series just setting them up as
00:52:49
Speaker
into or even the movies do it. Yeah. In a bad guys without or if they do have henchmen, they're not explained.
00:52:56
Speaker
No, and they just, and they cannon fodder. You look at Jack in Batman 1989, like bloody Joker shoots him. Yeah. Yeah. There's no backstory to them. They kind of fleshed that out a little bit in DCUO. They felt like each of the main bad guys in the Batman universe were kingpins for their, all their godfathers of their own crime syndicates. That's the fucking Arkham gang.
00:53:21
Speaker
Yeah, very much. The gangs are everywhere. The two-faced guys literally wear two-faced masks and like half-half jumpsuits. Yeah. So they've done all that with Gotham. Yeah. So I don't recognize all of the major characters that they're representing, but it's been really interesting to watch. They're stuck on an island. Penguins manufacturing ammunition because there is no ammo coming in. There's always been the arms dealer.
00:53:46
Speaker
Yeah. Um, and yeah, so I'm, I'm finding very interesting. Gotham's good, but I'm a, I am a little sad that Arrow's ending, but it kind of had to. Have they canned Gotham too? What was that? No, no, Gotham's done this season. Oh, I get it. But I think they did that because it was stunning to run into Batman territory a little bit too much. Yeah, I think you've said that before as well. He was getting, he was getting to that point where he needs to convert. I really want to see more Batman in Titans.
00:54:12
Speaker
I don't think we'll see too much, but hopefully they'll cast someone and we'll get to see. At least you got the balls to fucking do it though. Yeah, I know. That last episode was badass, even though it wasn't. Spoilers for Titans. Even though it was a dream sequence in quotation marks. That Batman was badass. He was badass, but to call him on IMDB man in suit and in the credits. Oh no, really? That's what they did? Yeah.
00:54:38
Speaker
They didn't call him Batman, they called him Man in Suit. I suspect it was four people who were on IMDB rather than in the credits to not know that it was Batman just by looking at text, not knowing anything about it. Or they don't want to give credit to the actor that played the Man in Suit as being a Batman.
00:54:58
Speaker
Yeah, maybe. Maybe. It's a list of people, right? But maybe if he got actually cast as Batman, they would have to pay more. Yeah, quite possibly. Rather than man in a rubber suit. Yeah, I suppose that's true. It could well be. I wonder that'd be interesting.
00:55:16
Speaker
We should need to look up his name, find the fucker on Twitter or something, and hit him up for that. I'll ask him. You're going to do it? Yeah, please do. I'm not going to do it during the show, but I will do it. Yeah. No, no. Let's get back to that. See if he replies. Man in suit. Man in suit. We run a podcast in Australia. You've never fucking heard of us. You'll never listen to us because we're idiots.
00:55:38
Speaker
I haven't even listened to us. I really love that Three Ravens and Sailor's Grave. Yeah. That was the New World S-A-H-T-I, the finished beer with Juniper. That was great. Really, really nice. Kind of sad it's over. Yeah. What percentage did you say it was? Five and a half, I think. All that was the one you asked me about. Five point nine. Five point nine.
00:56:01
Speaker
Yeah. Really good. Really, really good. And as it warmed up, that botanical almost really almost a botanical berry sweetness appeared in it. And that, that I like a complex beer though. That's got layers in it. That's great. More interesting to drink that way.
00:56:16
Speaker
Well done, Three Ravens and Sailor's Grave again. Steve Boyle, man in suit. Make sure you get the words. I'm going to hunt that motherfucker down. I don't know if I'd pick him for Bruce Wayne, to be honest. Well, I was going to say, was man in suit the same as back of Bruce Wayne's head in the other episodes? No, that was the same episode. I will show you. No, it was all in the same episode.
00:56:44
Speaker
Oh, did they name him? There's kind of a grizzly grizzly Batman. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could, he's got a bit of a shave. He doesn't have the, uh, the Affleck Batman chin to it. No, he doesn't. But fuck yeah. I could know he doesn't have to shave.
00:57:01
Speaker
Batman's had a five o'clock shadow for the last 20- That's more than five o'clock shadow, bro. Yeah, that's slightly more than five o'clock shadow, but anyway. Fuck yeah. If he can, if he can fight, and that was really him fighting in that, I'd be a hundred percent down for that dude playing Bruce Wayne. Yeah, cool. A hundred percent. Tell us about this beer. This is an American pale. This is another chirbier, chir from New Zealand, Freedom APA.
00:57:24
Speaker
Of course it's called freedom because it's an American pale. Yeah. And they're, uh, breaking. Just to remind them, they don't know what freedom is. They got their cheer monster in a cutoff sleeved suit wearing the classic Donald Trump red tie. Uh, breaking chains. So interesting. I wonder what the breaking chains building walls.
00:57:46
Speaker
Break your chain in building walls. Yeah. Nothing. Nothing holding that man back. He's not building a fucking wall. I'll tell you what. Bucket loads of Simcoe and Mosaic and Citro. Yeah. It smells and tastes like a very well to type IPA. Yeah. Good. Good. I'm not sure what makes an American. What makes an American, Dan? The brewer?
00:58:08
Speaker
Mostly the hops, I would have thought, oh yeah, that's nice. Really dank. Got that real dank hop character. I like that. Anybody that's listening to this who aren't craft beer wankers. Like us. Like us. Well, mainly like Dan. Dank is a good term, not a bad term. Yeah.
00:58:28
Speaker
Yeah, nice. It's nice, but from my perspective, it's just another IPA. Yeah, well, it's an IPA, but yeah. With a bit of dankiness to it. It might even have a little bit too much dank. It lingers a lot.
00:58:44
Speaker
I do like that though. That flavor profile I do enjoy. That's Simco. That's really what provides that dankness. And it's a little bit white for American. It is. And a little cloudy too. Yeah. Anyway. That's alright. Unfiltered. American apples are unfiltered. Give us a topic because I'm not allowed to talk about polar. I've got to say, I love Mads Mikkelsen. He's a great actor.
00:59:05
Speaker
I enjoyed him thoroughly in the Hannibal TV series, which... Oh, he was awesome, yeah. In season one. And then Hannibal just turned into a pile of steaming shit for season two. No, one and two were good. Three was where? Oh, was it three? Sorry, you're right. But that last episode in three...
00:59:21
Speaker
I never finished it. I just, I couldn't get through it. Oh man, that last episode. Are you talking to this chick or did she die? I'm sorry, but if you leave a season at a cliffhanger where a range of major characters are up in the air as to whether or not they're reliable dead, cause the chick falls out the fucking window at the end of season two. No, that's the end of season three.
00:59:43
Speaker
No, is it? No, no, no. That's the end of season two. She falls out the fucking window and you don't know if she's dead. That's the episode I love. It's a fucking brilliant episode. It was visceral. It was walks off in the rain. It leaves them there. Yeah. So the main good guy ish and the chick that you don't know if they're dead, you know, if they're alive, the cop, you know, I haven't, I haven't seen season three.
01:00:04
Speaker
Right. So, so three major characters are all left for dead or you don't know if any of them survive. You know, at least one of them survived the main character. So Hannibal, Mads Mikkelsen. Well, he walked away. You know, he survived. Not Edward Norton. Not Edward. Yeah. Good description. Lawrence Fishburne. Yep. And it was brilliant in that series, I've got to say.
01:00:26
Speaker
God damn. Oh, and the dark-haired psychologist. Yes. Yes. So you don't know if any of them survived at the end of that season? Well, I don't think Lawrence Fishburne did. He was bleeding out like a motherfucker. My point is I've watched three episodes of the next season, four episodes. They don't address it. It's sorry? And they don't address it. Skip forward in time. Oh, really? In another country.
01:00:52
Speaker
The main dude, the good guy, the cop, ish, he's not really a cop, he's the consultant, is in Italy hunting Hannibal and starts talking to the chick, but you don't, but I think there was an inference or they actually said that she's imaginary now.
01:01:14
Speaker
but you don't, cause they kind of, they didn't, I think it took them four or five episodes to go back and tell you what the fuck happened at the end of the season that you just finished watching. It was just, it just went to, it just went to, it just went to stupid proportions. I'm going to have to blank that out. It went to stupid, stupid complexity levels. It went from being a really good psychological thriller to just being dumb psychological shit.
01:01:40
Speaker
Yeah. To me, it was almost what I, it was my complaint about season two of, um, Oh God, we talked about it last episode, the psychological fucking thriller Legion season two. Oh, okay. It just went too far. Yeah. But I think, I think don't quote me on this, but I think Hannibal fell into the rider strike period.
01:02:03
Speaker
Yeah, quite possibly. That was a long time ago. It was a long, but so was Hannibal. Not really. Hannibal's only three or four years old. Nah, it's more than that I'd say. Really? I'm going to fucking IMD it actually. I didn't. Listening to the Weekly Planet guys, I didn't realize. 2013 to 2015. That was way after the writer's strike.
01:02:24
Speaker
I didn't realise that because Quantum of Solace, Jane Thorne, after Casino Royale fell in the writer's strike period, that Daniel Craig was basically writing it on set.
01:02:37
Speaker
I did not know that. No, not at all. Well, I'd like to fact check this. And if we remember what we want, because we never fact check anything. Or listen to our own podcast for that matter. I'd love to find out that it's really interesting. Which movie did you write? Quantum of Solace. It's pretty impressive given that it's written on the fly. It's a piece of crap. Well, it's not a piece of crap. It's nowhere near as good as Casino Royal and it was very disappointing. And I almost walked out halfway, three quarters of the way through it.
01:03:06
Speaker
But if it's if it's the main character writing it on the fly on the fly exactly as well as acting in it and it just just even just creating a movie of that quality yeah on the fly is although if he gave me like 250 million bucks I reckon I could make it too I'm sure he gets paid a lot I'm sure it's not that much no but I mean the budget of the movie movie yeah
01:03:30
Speaker
You could take a steaming pile of shit and probably make it decent. That's what they did with Star Wars. So I'd love to. I want to get completely off the wall here because we haven't we haven't talked any video games.
Beyond Good and Evil 2 Gameplay and Setting
01:03:43
Speaker
I know we watched the the trailer for Beyond Good and Evil to
01:03:47
Speaker
Two years ago? E3 two years ago? Yeah, it must have been two years. Yeah, it was. 2018, 2017, sorry. So you've got the hybrid human monkey man doing the heist with the hybrid pig man. And I knew nothing about Beyond Good and Evil, but the sequel looked fucking epic. So we got that full CGI trailer. So you got the monkey man and the African woman doing the heist. They get out, they get back to the mothership after an awesome chase through this.
01:04:12
Speaker
very, very highly technological Indian city. It's almost steampunk-esque. Yeah. It's not steampunk, but it's very fifth element I got from it. Yeah. Just the way the vehicles and the traffic and everything like that. So they've released more developer diaries. Okay.
01:04:30
Speaker
If they can pull this off, this is going to be the game of the decade. Because what they are proposing and what they already have in play ready to show looks fucking amazing.
01:04:45
Speaker
So you basically it's a it's an RPG it's a sci-fi RPG you can pick your character and develop build them aesthetically as you see fit you can pick the the animal hybrids yeah cool so you can be the pigman I'm gonna be the pigman Dan you can play co-op which I very highly suggest we do every vehicle that was flying around in that trailer is in the game and is drivable
01:05:11
Speaker
Wow, this isn't going to be another star citizen, is it? It's going to be so lofty as a goal that you're never going to get there. I kind of got a little bit of that feeling from it and I hope that they're not because we've been let down so many times with this. I mean, no man's guide. Well, division two's now out. Yeah, I know.
01:05:28
Speaker
Uh, so it starts off with the, a little monkey man in a, um, a different type of little monkey man and a very similar African woman in a, in a temple under the, under the ground, you know, an underground sort of almost sewer slash temple sort of thing. Was it Tom Ray to read?
01:05:49
Speaker
Well, not really. It kind of looked a little that way. There was big elephant statues down there. So this is where you find out later. It's Ganesh's city is what it's called. Cool. And they, they do a little bit of fighting showing different paths you can make to different objectives. And you've got a jet pack and your gun and your sword as your, your combat combat looks very basic at the moment. It looks good, but it looks very basic. It looks like they're developing other things before they focus on that.
01:06:16
Speaker
Combat's gonna be what you're doing a lot of the time, so I hope they fucking flesh that out a little bit. Anyway, looks cool. You've got- There's a lot of ways to get combat right in video games, though. Yeah, so, I mean, they can steal things from other places, which I hope they do. There are no original ideas for video games when you think about it. It's 30 years of fucking-
01:06:33
Speaker
So eventually they make their way out of this sewer. This was about a 20 minute video. 20-30 minutes they make their way out of this sewer and you find out that they're in the lower levels of this Ganesha City and they walk out into one of the waterway traffic ways which is...
01:06:49
Speaker
stories high above you and the rows of flying cars and traffic. So one of them jumps in a fighter, takes off in the fighter. The other one jumps on a hovering rocket powered motorcycle and just takes off and you just you just go. And there's things happening in the city. It looks like a very dynamic, movable city. They always do in the fucking in the trailers. This is gameplay. But you are describing the division trailer to me. I know. I know. We're getting there.
01:07:18
Speaker
But, but this was, this was much less scripted. This was, this was really just them going, hey, look, look at this. Not, not, this is, hey, we've got these guys. Not too much interaction with bullshit characters. Yeah. So they've, they've got, they've gone off and they're doing the things and they're showing scale and the city looks amazing and huge. And they said there's internals of buildings.
01:07:37
Speaker
And then they cut to the guy and the fighter and they take out a, they have a bit of a dogfight with some of the cops in the area. Yeah. And then they cut to the guy and the fighter and he's, there's four levels of speed you can put on these ships and just ramp them up and ramp them up and ramp them up out of atmosphere. No load screens. The difference is these worlds are going to be cloud based. So like no man's sky, they're not going to be built into the game out of this guy, mothership. And then when you say they're not going to be built into the game,
01:08:07
Speaker
Well, they're built into the game, but they're, they're generated through the cloud as you go. It's not, it's not... So they're procedurally generated? They're not procedurally generated. They're, they're set. They're set. So they're scripted? They're scripted to an extent, but the, the, the, you don't have to load all of this information onto your PlayStation to be able to play. So it's stream live? Yeah, stream live basically. Gotcha.
01:08:32
Speaker
Out of the atmosphere, they cut back to the African woman who's jumped out of the... She's gone up out of the atmosphere. She jumps out of the fighter that she's in and stands on the wing and they have a shield effect, like a personal shield effect over her. She's looking down at the city and then they scroll out through some of the maps and out to the planet that they're on is actually circling another bigger Saturn-type planet. So it's a moon of this larger planet.
01:09:01
Speaker
They pull out from that and they show the the system or the the whole solar system of that area And that's that I think that's what they said. That's gonna be the gameplay area. There was three or four planets circulating your Sun circulating Rotating yeah orbiting orbiting
01:09:18
Speaker
There's no day and night cycle that they've written in, so they've actually scripted the planet to orbit the light source, which is the sun. Fucking cool. And so scripting the planet to orbit will, as it gets to its set points. Will naturally generate a day and night cycle. So hang on, so you're saying the game is set within a solar system? I think that's what they said, within a solar system. Doesn't seem to be enough.
01:09:43
Speaker
If you've got a game that allows you to fly through space, then four planets around a sun. Looking at these planets and how they zoom out, if they populate those planets correctly, I think for a scripted story to jump between those planets and huge changes within the cultures on those planets. I guess when you think about it, planets are big. Right. Most games are set on a planet within a city. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. All one country.
01:10:13
Speaker
I'll send you the link to this video. Yeah, please do. If they pull this off, it's gonna change gaming. There's absolutely no doubt about it. But we thought that about No Man's Sky 2 and they completely fucked us on that. They completely fucked us on No Man's Sky. Did you end up playing the game?
01:10:29
Speaker
No, and I've been thinking about asking you to borrow it. I don't know if I want to put the gazillion gigabytes. Yeah, that's it. It's 10 petabytes of fucking downloads. But I played that when it started. And the biggest disappointment was just how far from... So a couple of customers successfully sued them.
01:10:53
Speaker
for not delivering what was on the back of the packaging. It's one thing to promise shit at E3 and then cut back on it. It's another thing to write on the back of the box, you will be able to play with your friends and then not deliver on any co-op whatsoever.
01:11:11
Speaker
So that's what these guys are saying. And I think that the co-op in this is what excites me the most because everybody was so, they showed it as being so different and you only saw two characters, but the drastic differences between mostly visuals, their abilities were all the same, which I'm sure once they flesh out combat and all that, the skill trees and that, that'll change as well. As long as it doesn't end up like division.
01:11:36
Speaker
where the most exciting thing about everybody in that game left their door like three inches open and you could just go through and close all the doors.
01:11:47
Speaker
You know what, I haven't actually looked at a lot of reviews of Division 2 because I don't know if I'm more scared that they fucked up a whole second game or that they fixed it and then would have to go back and play it because all we wanted to do was play a traditional RPG rolled game in a shooter-based post-apocalyptic world. I'm rolling my eyes and nodding in agreement. Because I just don't feel like that was so much to ask.
01:12:15
Speaker
But they're still doing it in terms of not delivering on the promise.
Gaming Industry Critiques and Assassin's Creed
01:12:19
Speaker
So, Anthem, they have been torn apart by the intelligent critics. Not the ones that get stuck in the hype and, oh my God, you can't say something bad about this game. It's my favorite game. I've been waiting a year for it.
01:12:35
Speaker
The guys that are actually looking at, okay, I can already see if I skip through to endgame, what does endgame look like? And the answer for Anthem is nothing. There really isn't a lot. It's just repeating the same bullshit over and over and over.
01:12:52
Speaker
And if you're gonna grind like that you might as well go back and play an animal RPG games as service man games as a service yeah he's just gonna keep doing it until they stop making money. Yeah and well the pro you got a vote with your feet and it's not enough people there are too many people to get caught up in the hype.
01:13:08
Speaker
There are too many 12 year olds who watch this stuff. And I'm like, I'm not taking the piss. I'm saying there are too many young people who get caught up in the hype because that's where they're at in their personal experiences. We have been promised too much and delivered too little. Hey, we're jaded old men. We're cynical motherfuckers. We're in our mid 30s. We've been listening to this shit since the fucking 80s. You're being fucking optimistic with mid 30s.
01:13:33
Speaker
Yeah, well, I'm 36. That's still me. That's on either side of 35. Fucking idiot born. 82. Oh, motherfucker. Anyway, yeah, keep talking video games. You've got God of War up there. I still haven't played it. I only put that up because I'm still playing it.
01:13:49
Speaker
I started again and I've finished it and completed more. I'm up to actually the last thing that I can do in that game. I have not turned my PlayStation 4 on since Christmas, since before Christmas, which is easily the longest period I've ever gone without playing video games. Yeah, because that was actually one of the things I was going to write on the board was what are you playing, Pete? Nothing. I'm not playing anything. That's disappointing.
01:14:15
Speaker
So my entire life has changed in the last 12 months, 11 and a half months. And so I stopped playing PlayStation 4 for a while, started playing Assassin's Creed Origins because Assassin's Creed is my favourite long-running game series.
01:14:33
Speaker
Plate Origins. I know that Odyssey is an extension of Origins in terms of the engine. A lot of the changes they made to the core game mechanics in Origins have been carried forward into Odyssey. They've made some tweaks. I don't know what those changes are. Mainly the skill trees, they've restored some of the stealth, but they didn't fully restore the whole stealth mechanic. But you get to kick people.
01:14:58
Speaker
You do get to kick people. But to be honest, the setting of ancient Greece was a little too close to ancient Egypt. And I know that sounds really weird now that I say it out loud, but it just felt a little too close. Yeah. Particularly since the end of origins, the Romans are invading Egypt. And you know, they've announced the next one, don't you? No, it's called living under a rock. Well, I'll give you one guess what countries it set in.
01:15:29
Speaker
That's actually difficult. It's not India. Oh, you know what? I'd, I'd, I know they did a little side one and I think that'd be fucking awesome. That architecture in those heavily dense cities would be fucking cool. And riding on a fucking elephant. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even think of the elephants.
01:15:48
Speaker
Um, and Russia was the other little side. Yeah. Russia would be good. Like old school Russia. But they've got the snow effect from, from number three. So why would they not do fucking Russia? Anyway, it's neither of those two. So no, you fucked. Yeah. Okay. It's called, I'll give you one more hint. It's called Assassin's Creed Legionnaire. Okay. So they're doing the, they're actually going to do Legionnaires properly. They're going to do Italy again. Sparta. Yeah. They're going to do Italy again.
01:16:18
Speaker
really yeah different time period though earlier much earlier yeah because well it's going to be what 1400 years earlier around about 1400 yeah well it's yeah it was 1500 and renaissance yeah which is the 1500s yeah so it's going to be 100 years after christ it's going to be bc to
01:16:41
Speaker
Yeah, okay. Yeah, around the rise of the Roman Empire. Yeah, cool. They've really fixated on the fucking Romans. They went to ancient Egypt and talked about Rome. Then they went to Greece and inescapably they'll end up talking about Rome. So, well, yeah, of course they will, yeah. In the, because I haven't played them all, obviously you have.
01:17:04
Speaker
There was obviously a very heavy focus because Ezio was the main protagonist in, and even went after that, it was always so focused back on Ezio. Was there a lot of talk about the Templars being so heavily, I know you fight the Pope at the end of one of them. You kill the Pope. Yeah, you kill the Pope. It's Popicide, it's got its own word. Popicide, yeah. You're pretty sure it's Popicide. Definitely to hazard its own word though. You need to do Pellicide.
01:17:33
Speaker
Maybe it, you know, I'm not convinced it's called paperside because killing a king is regicide. Anyway, carry on. Yeah, anyway, were the Templars very focused in that Roman area? Was that where they sort of grew more? No. No.
01:17:54
Speaker
No, because the Templars, I mean, came out of the Crusades in the original. Which is Rome. No, the original original was Arabia. It's not. Oh, okay. It's not. No, no, no. The Templars, the Templars are... The Crusaders that came into Islamic territory and... Yeah. Yeah, and then you've got... The assassins were the...
01:18:18
Speaker
Arabians. Yes, they were. Which makes sense because that's where it all started. That's literally where the word assassin came from. Hashashin, I think it's called or something like that. The crazy pot smoking fucking tribe that live in the mountains in Egypt that got high and then went and assassinated people.
01:18:40
Speaker
I'm sure it was hashashin or something like that. Yeah, definitely had a hate you for it. That's the derivative of the word assassin, which is why when you think about it, AC origin set in ancient age, it makes perfect sense. Because that's where the original assassins in the real world came from, that tribe. And those guys still exist today, that tribe. I don't think they call themselves tribes.
01:19:03
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. The Templars seem to be focused around the Crusaders. So the Catholics. Which are the Catholic Church? Yes. Out of Rome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. That's a yes. Yes. Yeah, that's a big yes. We got there in the end. Yeah, OK. OK, cool. OK, so that probably makes sense why they're heading back to an earlier Roman period to explore that part of it. We should talk about this last beer. So Bog Rigidi? I did it again.
01:19:33
Speaker
Chukaboo, white IPA. I've just got that in my head for some reason. I don't know why. I don't know anything about a white IPA.
Beer Reviews and Untapped App Discussion
01:19:41
Speaker
I think we've talked about it. You will explain it in a moment, no doubt. But to me, it's a IPA, a soft IPA profile with a whole bunch of what feels like orange peel.
01:19:53
Speaker
Yes, it definitely has that feeling to it. It's got that pealy, oily, oiliness to it. It's not the actual bitterness from an lemon or an orange. It's that really sharp, spiky zest. Yeah, I don't. It doesn't actually say they put anything like that in there. I can almost guarantee there's orange peel in it. But I quite like that.
01:20:16
Speaker
It's been sitting on the table for a little while. It's not as punchy as what I think it might be if it was cold. It's quite punchy though. I mean, sorry, refreshing. Yeah, no, it's not refreshing. The refreshingness would cut through, the chill would cut through all that and make it quite refreshing. I quite like it. It's definitely not as punchy as what I would expect from a white RPA, but the flavor profile is there.
01:20:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's okay. It's fine. Yeah, it's not my favorite style. So it's kind of hard to judge. But yeah, I've only had maybe two, maybe two or three wide RPAs. Yeah. Okay. I think we've done at least one in pixels and pines. I'll have to go back and check our untapped profile now that we have untapped. Oh, do we? Yeah. Oh, nice. I even, I even go back and listen to what we've said about the beer and then use that as the basis for the comment we leave when we check in.
01:21:15
Speaker
I don't know why we're doing it, but it's better than maintaining a fucking website. Yeah. It took almost as long to manage as editing an episode. It's, it's nice. Hmm. That's nice. I could see it if it was ice cold on a summary day. I could see it. Yeah, definitely. I agree with that. And then I'm a bit disappointed. I left that out to quite a bit. Dan, where are my sours? I didn't see any. It's not the right season for sours. Summer is not a sour season. I got a cranberry sour in at work.
01:21:46
Speaker
that you made, I'm coming to work tomorrow. No, no, no, not on tap yet. We'll probably keg it next week. Let me know when you do. I love my sour. Well, that's the cranberry sour we did a few years ago.
01:21:57
Speaker
Yes, I do remember that it was fucking tops. Yeah, so we thought that too. So we we had we had some work time Some some guys doing some work at the brewery where we were down for a day and couldn't do anything Yeah, so it was 48 hour souring period so we thought fuck it like we've got the ingredients here. Why not? Let's just do it Yeah, awesome. I mean, that's the good thing about doing sours as well It's 48 hours for you to make up your mind and what needs to go into it. Oh
01:22:23
Speaker
So you do the souring with the malt base, which is just wheat and barley, which we have there all the time. And leave it for 48 hours and then you go, yeah, I'll do that. And then you've got the 48 hours to make your mind up. And order the cranberries. Well, you do the brew and then you've still got four or five days. So you got to put the cranberries in anyway. So it was just, it was literally my- It was a good band for a little while too. She's recently died. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Main singer. Yeah. Badwalls made a very good remake.
01:22:52
Speaker
She was on her way to record with them for the remake and she passed away in the hotel room. Yeah, shitty. But the, yeah. Why can I remember that the lead singer from the Cranberries name was Dolores, but I can't remember basics about fucking pop culture that I love. I don't get it.
01:23:11
Speaker
Real people versus not real people. I wonder whether that's some compartmentalization in how things work. Full of fucking useless information we have anyway.
Anthem Critique and Divinity Games Praise
01:23:23
Speaker
Assassin's Creed, I'm going to have to go and check that out. It feels like there must have been an E3 that I missed because we're talking about new trailers that I haven't seen.
01:23:30
Speaker
No, I don't play Anthem. That's the advice I've received over the internet. And I never planned to, to be honest, because I've done nothing for three fucking weeks and haven't watched or played very, very little. I actually went on a bit of a YouTube binge on Sunday afternoon and I'd be on good and evil to just fell into my lap. And I absolutely was captivating. It really genuinely was. Yeah. And we haven't played fucking divinity to. In fact, we haven't talked about to on the podcast.
01:23:58
Speaker
We might save it for another episode. Yeah, I think what we need to do, get back in, do some, and then refresh ourselves. Yeah, and talk about it again. Because we have talked about the original divinity. Yeah. Original sin. I really fucked that up, that lead up in. Divinity original sin. Which was an interesting take on traditional Catholic Garden of Eden in the end. Oh, yeah, it was, wasn't it? Yeah, with those guardians of... Very non-traditional.
01:24:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's, I think that's what I said to you at the time that the storyline ended up being quite Pandora's box melded with the Garden of Eden. Um, cause there was a God and there was a void dragon thrown in the middle of it. Yeah. But the void dragon was very much the, the snake, the, you know, the, the serpent evil temp, tempter.
01:24:43
Speaker
Yeah, who tempted the good character and yeah, she carried the fucking the She carried the guilt of letting Pandora out of the box. It is a little bit perverted It's not a direct retelling of the Garden of Eden and the rest of it. But yeah
01:25:00
Speaker
I thought it was impressive that someone could go and do, like the storyline as a whole, if you were reading the novel, it would be a really fucking great book. With those splashes of humour and action that you encountered in the game. It had a lot of humour, there was a lot of sarcasm, a lot of self-referential and self-reverential humour. Yeah, I definitely think if it was a book series, it would be quite good and insane. Sequel's good too. Sequel's great, I mean, they just...
01:25:28
Speaker
They took everything that they you missed and wished you had in the first one. Yeah. And expanded on it and gave it to you. And I've got to say, Larian Studios are the epitome of what I think they're a success story of Kickstarter.
01:25:44
Speaker
Yeah, they are the epitome of a Kickstarter success story. There's a video game studio that didn't exist before Kickstarter. They got funded within, I think, a couple of days and they knocked it out of the fucking park. There's also videos of how it almost didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. And there's videos of the studio guys talking about
01:26:08
Speaker
Sorry, their thought process behind the concepts and they released all of the expansions as they hit certain Kickstarter extension goals. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, great. We should, we should talk about that in another episode when, when we've played it, but you know, I haven't turned my PlayStation on in months. Yeah. I have no interest in, I probably do now I've taken a three or four month break, but I didn't have any interest in going straight from AC origins to AC Odyssey. Yeah. And didn't really feel like buying anything else that came out.
01:26:38
Speaker
Yeah, I mean that's that's kind of where I'm at a moment and why I went back to got a war I might actually when I'm when I'm cashed up and don't care. I might actually buy division two Yeah, just a fuck around and see what it looks like. Mmm, but it was such a disappointment the first game I'm not sure if I want to give those fuckers another 90 dollars Ubisoft it was Ubisoft. Yeah Anyway, yeah, I'm torn
01:27:02
Speaker
I mean, I wrote Metro up there as well. I think I will have a go at Metro at some stage. It's got, it's been...
01:27:11
Speaker
OK reviews, nothing. I mean, yeah, a lot of things say they do a lot of things well, but it's just not overly interesting. Sure. Which is a bit of a disappointment because some of the E3 footage looked pretty cool. Yeah, but all that was scripted. And I'm like, why do that? Especially with a first person shooter, don't script those sort of things.
01:27:34
Speaker
Well, I mean, that was the complaint from Anthem, is that the scripting was so different to the reality of the game. They were walking through the town and the start of the sequence in the E3 footage was, this was recorded in-game, this is actual footage.
01:27:55
Speaker
You're walking through the player city and it explains that this is the player city. It's all dynamic. It's unscripted and this random NPC literally crosses your path and starts talking to you and it results in you getting a mission that you, you know, that you consequently go and do.
01:28:13
Speaker
In the background of that player city, there's this massive fucking walker tank thing. Yeah. Walking across the screen. Like an AT-AT on steroids. Yeah. With super long stridal legs. And then they go and do the mission and the start of the mission is one of those striders gets attacked, destroyed and falls down and a bunch of bad guys attack you.
01:28:35
Speaker
So in the release game, no one fucking randomly crosses your path as an NPC and gives you a dynamically generated fucking mission. The AT-AT creatures don't move in the entire game. They don't walk. They're in the game. They're static objects in the background. There are no missions where those fuckers walk or get blown up or fall down.
01:29:02
Speaker
It's so far removed from the E3 footage. It's a different game. Yeah. And I wouldn't be surprised like No Man's Sky if someone fucking sued them for it. Yeah. I mean... You can't say you are spending 90 bucks to buy this and then give you that. Eventually they'll put it in, but don't release the game until those updates, those promises are in. Or declare that you are releasing the game before that's in. I just...
01:29:27
Speaker
Just be honest with your fans. People aren't stupid.
Star Wars Gaming and Mandalorian Hopes
01:29:30
Speaker
The internet moves way too quickly for that shit. It's like an EA and Ubisoft man. They just don't care. No, they don't. They just don't. Anyway, are we going to leave it there on that? When I was watching that Beyond Good and Evil 2 actual gameplay and where it was going out of atmosphere in fighters and then there was mother ships. What do we want in the game, Dan?
01:29:53
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this is where I'm going with that is watching them zoom out and show us you're on a moon that's rotating a bigger planet that's rotating a sun in a solar system this and that and I'm just going please please just if this works just make star wars
01:30:12
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Just do that with Star Wars. Give us an independent story. Let us have a ship of some sort. Let us just be some faction and get out of these Imperial cities or dust towns or outer rim planets or whatever. All seamlessly run it on a fucking cloud. Disney, I'm begging you, take this shit away from EA because
01:30:39
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They do not deserve this license. They do not deserve, like, and Disney's better than that. Yeah. They gotta be better than that. Well, we hope they are. Let's, let's see what the, the Disney plus streaming service actually produces. Well, let's see what this- Beyond the only way to get the fucking classic cartoon movies that we all love. Because they've shut down the vault. There is no more vault releases. Yeah. But
01:31:03
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Star Wars celebrations. Oh, I mean, I don't think it's soon. Actually, I think it's a long way off, but we're getting, um,
01:31:13
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Star Wars Fallen Order, which we have seen no gameplay of, zero gameplay. And that fucking worries me. The thing that it, the only thing that might make this survive is it's not an EA game. It's a, it's a external studio. I think EA, uh, I think they own the license. So they battle front.
01:31:34
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No, I think they own the start. Well, they have the contract for the Star Wars license. Right. So they then contract out games to small studios. So it's our visceral and Amy Hennig were making their games, which ultimately got canned. So which looked better than the ones that ended up shitting out. The fact that we haven't seen a drop of this. Yeah. This this feels like it's going to be a fucking mobile game.
01:32:02
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I just, I just, I just, I just know, I just have wondering if we could end the fucking podcast. I reckon my, here's, here's my prediction. You heard it for you first. They've built us up for the star Wars fallen order game that's coming out and it's going to be a fucking mobile game. You know what pisses me off, Dan, they have to, they only have to add the word star Wars and enough people will get excited to make it happen. Yeah.
01:32:29
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And I'm one of those people. I think all three of us are. Show us something. Restore our faith in everything that you guys have fucked up in the last... like George Lucas fucked things royally. Kinda. Kinda. Kinda sorta. Kinda sorta. But just...
01:32:51
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I mean, I've got nothing against Force Awakens. Force Awakens was fun. Last Jedi was okay. I mean, I got nothing against him. I've got, I've got high hopes that Ryan Johnston with what they've given him will round out the trilogy well.
01:33:08
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No, well, no, because JJ Abrams is doing Episode 9. That's right. Ryan Johnson's got authorization to do something else. Yeah. Another time period or another somewhere else. It won't be the Jabba movie. It won't be an extension of Solo. It won't be Kent Lando. It won't be any of that shit. No, no, give him, give him there. There is so much. So, so the reason why I think Star Wars worked as a, as a franchise and as a movie series, original trilogy,
01:33:33
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was that it was one of the best examples of the time of a universe where a movie was set inside a moving universe. And that's why beyond Good and Evil, those trailers, that gameplay that makes me feel that this could be part of the Star Wars universe. You look at that city and even the technology, it's not the fighter, one of the fighters, one of the guys has a slight resemblance to an X-wing. Right.
01:34:01
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You could go, this would work. Yeah. This would work. Make it, make it appealing. The Beyond Good and Evil is a little... Make it Coruscant where there's a bazillion things going on. Can't even do that. It's a fucking galaxy. Like there's so many planets out there that they can do things. Just give us a lived in world where shit's going on in the background and we're just participants.
01:34:22
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Let's leave it on a high note. John Favreau, Mandalorian. Let's wait. Yeah. We'll see how that works out. Yep. All right. Thanks for listening. Thank you. See you next episode. Bye. Bye.
01:34:53
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Well, you can do the intro just for that. You're going to put Chris's little song in. Yeah. I said I did. Did I forget to do that last day? I fucking did. I listened to it on the Dropbox, not on the download. I'd never put it for up on Dropbox. Oh, okay. I haven't listened to that one then. And I completely forgot to put the new jingle on. That's disappointing. Well, you can't put a post edit in there.
01:35:18
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No. Well, I could, but everyone that's already listened to it wouldn't hear it. Anyway. What are we? Pixels and pints? Pints and pixels. Pixels and pints? Pixels and pints.