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episode 35 trading traits
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the boys are nipple deep in the new event and get together to go over the trait system and talk a little helldiving
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Transcript
Introduction and Banter
00:00:00
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Cry about that you dirty old bitch!
00:00:33
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Yeah. Hold on. Can I get a large Americano? No way. All right. Fuck that up. The Duke of Devastation. Also, the eternal five star current three star. The VIP of PvP.
00:01:03
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Harrison, Harrison, how are you doing this afternoon? I'm
Helldivers Gameplay Insights
00:01:08
Speaker
doing great. How are you? I'm good. I thought you'd be a little bit more great after that amazing intro with the song that was written specifically for you. It's a great song that brings joy to my heart every time I hear it.
00:01:25
Speaker
I believe it. We'll go get right into segment one, which I think we both have the same thing. I'm your huckleberry. That's just my game. Oh yeah, here we go. The hell died, the bitch?
00:01:52
Speaker
Spread that democracy. Yeah. What's that? I said, spread that democracy. The stone cold music did come through in the mix, right? Yes. Oh, thank God. That's on a different sound. That's on a different sound board than the one I have. Yeah. I heard it. Yeah, we've been hell diving. Have you been enjoying hell divers? I enjoy a lot. It's a very fun.
00:02:23
Speaker
game that is Very satisfying when it goes well and very frustrating when it doesn't Yeah, but you also I also never feel like it's like a thousand percent out of our hands like even when For those who you don't know hell divers is a squad Might as well be an extraction shooter you work towards the missions end to extract but um
00:02:51
Speaker
There's friendly fire. There's hordes of enemies. It's a solid starship troopers kind of thing vibe going on. Um, but even like when we're all killing each other with friendly fire or whatever, I never feel like it's out of our hands. I feel like all we need is one good airstrike and we're back in this bitch. Yeah, it definitely is. I think it's a weird curve because it's very,
00:03:20
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Oh my God, everything's crazy right when you get into a big fight. And then
Game Features and Strategies
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as the fight goes on, everything calms and you're like, okay, I can deal with what's coming now. It's easier, but the initial swarm of everything coming at you is very, uh, yeah, scary. Yeah. You have to send the herd quickly. Yes.
00:03:43
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And you kind of have to stay on the same page. Because like I said with the friendly fire thing, there's been times when I throw a turret down, we play with our third guy, and he'll throw one like in the adjacent part of the map. So while my turret is facing one-way shooting, his turret turns around 100.
00:04:02
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Whatever degrees to point exactly at where my turret is to shoot the same thing that my turret shooting at So in turn his turret is just ripping through Like the three of us in the middle of this this fucking swarm try not to die and we're getting machine gun fire from our own turret
00:04:21
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And it's just one of the things where it's like, am I pissed that what's happening? Not really. This is just actually the most funny thing that's happened to me in a long time. But I'm going to be super pissed if I lose all these samples and I have to re I have to get redeployed. Yes. But redeployment is pretty quick if you're on it. So it's not like it's, you know, nothing is unfair. No.
00:04:49
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I mean, I feel like the curve is like, I don't know. It's for one, it was a budget, not budget title. I think $40 is a fair amount. I would have paid full price for this. Yes. It's, it's one of the few games that is cheaper than what I would have paid for it. The other being the DLC for Ghost of Shishima.
00:05:13
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Yeah, but at the same time, I would have just bought the Ghost of Tsushima. Like, if that was a separate game, if that was like Ghost 2 or something, I just would have bought that. Yes.
00:05:24
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Um, but as far as I held divers, like I feel like the updates, the actual game
Value and Comparisons
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itself, the fact that it's, you're fighting a war on two fronts and you could decide which front you feel like fighting. Do I want to fight a bunch of bugs? Let me shotgun over to the orange zone. Do I want to just shoot at robots, uh, this evening? Well, let me shotgun my way over to the blue zone.
00:05:46
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You can drop in by yourself, you can pick easy, hard, whatever. I think Helldivers is fucking great. I think it has a good difficulty curve to it, where, you know, when you get a new difficulty, initially it's super difficult, but as you do it and get more stuff, it becomes easier and easier. Yeah, absolutely.
00:06:19
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Yeah, with that let's go right into Do you have any gameplay you want to share Nothing that I can think of off the top of my head Unless you remember something crazy I I did Unless you unless you remember me being great in some way that I don't remember I
00:06:49
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Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Um, I don't know. Cause we had a bunch of really good ones towards the end of the last tide event. Um, I mean, there was one, um, it might even have been the beginning of this event. Cause I think I was rocking a hunting bow, which I generally don't, unless it's a thing I need for challenges for points. I like the hunting bow. It's just not my style.
00:07:15
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Um, but I remember we were tag teaming dudes going all through um
00:07:23
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cypress huts i think and at one point like i clipped a guy with an arrow you shot him like in the ass guy died going up a ladder uh it's just been a lot of weird like two-on-one attacks with like the two of us like me setting you up for a kill you tagging a guy and i shoot him and i shoot him in the face on the way out the door like we had a long stretch it might i might be thinking of our first night
00:07:51
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Um, we just had like, we were dying. We weren't extracting for shit, but we did have a solid, I think we had a solid evening. Like we might've done like three or four games. We didn't go deep, but we had some solid, uh, tag team action going on. Yeah. We had a few when we started where we weren't getting far, but we were.
00:08:17
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they were good earned matches, I guess. They were solid. They were solid matches. We earned every kill, but also we've been spawning right on top of everybody. Yes. Like I could fart and I could hear somebody in the bush next to me. Like it was, it's insane how often we're, we're spawning on top of another team. Yes.
00:08:44
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Yeah it is pretty crazy how often that's happening. I mean considering the size of the map and like it's not a thing that happens often. I mean remember we had the few games where it was almost every spawn we had. Yeah and you figure there's there's what four on each side?
00:09:06
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Yeah, because you always spawn on the edge of the map. So there's like, there's literally there's like three or four on each side, like they could be anywhere. And instead of being anywhere, we're all just right on top of each other. Yeah. Um, pretty crazy happened as often as it did. But yeah, I think I think our teamwork was pretty, pretty rock solid. But enough of the vague bullshit. Let's get right into this thing.
00:09:44
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Um,
Event Updates and Mechanics
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all right. Our topic of this evening, we're in the middle of the new event. The event, it's going, it'll be going for what seems like a million years. I think the initial counter started at like 63 days or something. We're going to be in this for a minute.
00:10:01
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They've changed a lot of, not the rules, but the way that the pledge marks work. Pledge marks no longer walk you down a perk tree, a weird Final Fantasy style materia tree of perks.
00:10:22
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Now your pledge marks go towards weapons and healing caches hidden in the middle of the map. Middle of the map and some supply points have them. But the thing that is not most shocking, but I think the most unique change they've made to this event is the way the perks work. Yes. It's literally three pledges. You pledge one and that's what you get.
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yep i like it um still up in the air about the caches but i like the way the pledges are working uh the the caches have kind of grown on me because now it's no longer a fight to get
00:11:11
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It's not a fight to get pledge marks just to get a perk. You can get a, you can get a perk without a pledge mark. And if you get a pledge mark, maybe you can unlock a cash and get some cool shit, but that's not, it's like the pledge marks are no longer the thing you want to complete the event. Okay.
00:11:34
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Like that was that you know, that was the thing before where it was like no if I want Mariner i'm gonna have to drag all of this shit around Collect three pledge marks so I can go Get mariner. Hopefully i'll have enough that I can get remedy And then I like it was always a big slog but the fact that now it's like no I want the lawful pact You have lawful that's what you got
00:12:00
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And there is no tier two. It's just like the initial pack and like, I think the packs are fine. Like, um,
Perk System Deep Dive
00:12:10
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what they are. I got them right here. Oh, you found good. I was getting ready to lie and say I remembered. So we will start with wall full.
00:12:20
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Lawful gives you peacekeeper, which dead teammates can be revived at the cost of burning some of your health chunks and looting dead hunter will restore one health junk. So dead teammates are not killed teammates. They're blacked out teammates. They're bounty only pick up teammates. Oh, so that's what that is. You don't need a bounty. You don't need a bounty to pick up those teammates. As long as you have lawful, you can pick them up yourself.
00:12:49
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Yes. Perfect. And then the trait that goes with it is pack mule, which you receive ammo when looting a hunter.
00:13:02
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which is, I like that they've done, they do this with most of the, with all the events, they always tie a standard perk to a packed, but I really like what they've done with the packs and the standard perks in this, in this event between pack mule and there's one or two other ones that apply to the other ones.
00:13:24
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Well, it gets better because your pack specific bonus is 30 event points will give you two pledge marks instead of one and Everything else is normal But the first time you get 30 with it you get two instead of one which will help you open up a bunch of stuff out of gashes
00:13:44
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Yeah, and at that point you're looking at two pledge marks will be more than enough to get you in the explosive or any of the big ones explosive full health Full health revive is fucking great for the team Fucking full ammo resupply like like you get two pledge marks You could be you could be at the end of your ropes and you're right back in the game Yeah, right back in it with that and then we will do
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death pack next. Next, which gives you witness while in dark sight that hunters and monsters are visible and health starts to regenerate when you're close to one of the I guess portal things that you look at when you see them, you'll get health back.
00:14:37
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And it also works with your beetle at the totems. Is that what you're talking about? No, no, no, no. When you do dark sight and you see the little where things died. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, which is pretty cool. And then the joined trait is resilience, which revives teammates in half the time. Yeah, which is a solid pick for me because
00:15:07
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If I'm not dead, I want the two of you back up as quickly as fucking possible to get my back. Yeah. I'm real middle management in this game. I want people working for me on all sides. You absolutely are. And you're great at it.
00:15:25
Speaker
No, you are. You set us up a lot for the win. It would not work as well if it was me and our third or... Yeah, it wouldn't work well with me and the third. Well, I feel like the two of you would just start bickering at each other as to who's picking up whom. And I'd be laying there like, I just wanted you to pick me up. I don't need the two of you arguing over who's the better friend right now. Yeah. What about Berserk?
00:15:55
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Well let me let me get the last one the bonus you get is the first hunter you loot gives you two pledge marks nice And then berserk our third favorite doubles all melee damage fuck yeah And then there's no there's no standard. There's no standard trait that pairs with that beast face Which is an interesting one?
00:16:19
Speaker
You will not be noticed at all by the animals. That means the kennel animals won't bark the horses won't hay hmm quiet Now I don't think I've seen any clips of anybody Getting into a dog kennel or chicken coop with this. Yeah, but I'm very curious I Wouldn't I just I don't know I imagine we could try but I'm not really But at the same time
00:16:49
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Uh, I've been taking the death pack. I think I would want to take berserk because with the, um, with the marathon, I've been running the marathon and a melee. And I think if I take berserk, uh, I think it'll work out pretty good if I'm doing double damage. Yeah. Um, I don't like it, but you know,
00:17:14
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It's just not me. It's there for the memes or like I'm usually the one that sorts out the bosses. If I'm doing double damage sorting out the boss, we're fucking, we're golden. We're moving through this map. Well, speaking about killing the boss, uh, the special bonus you get is you get two pledge marks when you banish a boss. See, it's fitting right into my plans.
00:17:42
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Yeah, the the only thing is lately we have not been killing the boss. We would get the bounty.
Teamwork and Diversity
00:17:48
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Yeah, we haven't killed the boss. Yeah, I appreciate you all killing his boss for us, but we're going to be taking his bounty. Yeah, I'm just going to go ahead, come in here and take this is my right now. Yeah, I come in there like a goddamn Southern lawyer getting ready to argue creationism back in the fucking fifties. I'm just like, I'll be taking these bounties right here.
00:18:11
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Because yeah, we've definitely been stumbling into some boss layers just taking that shit. Yeah. Do you have a favorite? I mean, obviously, Berserker isn't your cup of tea, but between death and lawful, do you have a favorite between the two of them? No, I'm up in the air. Just it depends on what's going on at the moment. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, normally I go lawful.
00:18:42
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I like the language of the lawful pact. I like the way it's set up. I feel awful because I die a lot, so getting those health chunks back is useful.
00:18:57
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Well, there's that, but that's also the reason I like the death pact is like you could see dead hunters. Well, if we're bickering, like we did in the last episode where we were bickering over who killed whether the cane was alive or dead, it wouldn't have been an issue. That would have helped, yes. That would have helped. It'd be better to move into a situation like we did in that church where we were looking for bodies to loot, to get points. Death pact would have showed me exactly where everybody was.
00:19:25
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Yeah, but also when we're hunting people, but as soon as we figure out, oh, they're over here, I like lawful. I also think the cool thing about it is they give you three packs every event, every event, three separate packs. While each pack isn't solid on its own. If one person in the crew each takes a separate pack, they do kind of interact with each other nicely.
00:19:56
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yes like like that just interact like i don't know i feel like i'm i got a little bit of the swiss cheese brain but like the fact that it's it's three events every three packs every event and all three of them interact nicely together it is
00:20:12
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It is funny that like clearly the developers are supporting the teamwork like in the game, like me and you always preach about teamwork, like communicate with the squad, work together and stuff. Clearly they're thinking the same fucking thing. They are. Um,
Strategic Reflections
00:20:32
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they definitely are. And I like how each one has a separate bonus that you can each focus on. Yeah. Um, I just have my preference. That's all.
00:20:44
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No, but that would be, if we were, you know, discussing who in the crew of three would get which pact, you would get that pact. I would either take Berserker or Death. Our third guy would probably take whatever the other one was, because like, even if he's taking, he takes the machete a lot. Berserker might be fucking great for him. Double damage.
00:21:09
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I take, I take the bat and I've started to take the Katana because with martial artists, that thing is a fucking monster killer. So you are liking the Katana now. I don't know. I don't want to say I'm liking it, but
00:21:25
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We did get into a fucking beater the other night with a solo during Shipyard. He's in the basement and I dropped down the elevator shaft. I have martial artists engaged. My lightsaber is in the holster.
00:21:43
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And me and this guy with a bomb lance get into this fucking one v one match where i'm whipping the I whipped the martial artist out from my side the quick draw Miss him turn around with a thrust i'm doing a back step with a swing It I wish I would equipped it because it was like it was both shocking And it just looked solid like the fight the way the the way the strikes work He's swinging the bomb lance. I'm fucking swinging the katana. I think the katana has its place
00:22:13
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It's an ever I don't think it's an everyday take for me But if I if I have the tube the two points to put in a martial artist I do think it is a solid it is a solid melee tool I'll still take the bat over it every time But I think the katana is growing on me a little bit Okay, that's good. It's at least growing on you But you really got to take the you really have to take a good
00:22:40
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primary gun like even even if you just take that and like a uppercut precision or like Like I'd want something to like the katana would be the up in your face tool the katana's You know, I'd want something to poke at you a little bit from afar Okay makes sense
00:23:03
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But we're not talking about the Katana. We're talking about these perks, these packs. Do you have any more thoughts on the packs? Not that we haven't already said. Same, same. I think we've gotten everything out.
00:23:23
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Final thoughts from my end, and then I'll let you rattle years down. I think that they made a very good move, deciding not to give us a weird perk tree with the Pax this time. It was just like, no, there's three of them. And that's what you're getting. I agree.
00:23:49
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Your final
Conclusion and Sign-Off
00:23:50
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thoughts? Is that your final thoughts? That was my final thought. You were just like, yeah, my final thoughts are I agree? No, I got something. I concur, doctor, I concur. I like that it's a lot more even on the three traits where there's not a clear, this is better than them. Yes. Like there has been previously. Yes.
00:24:15
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Yeah. I think for the past couple ones, the three of us, if we, if we looked at the end of action report at the end of the event, I guarantee between me, you and our third guy, we've picked the same pact every time. And I think at this point we've really, we've only been playing for less than a week. And I think the three of us have really spread our, spread our shit around. Yes. Uh, definitely a lot more than previous events. Oh yeah.
00:24:44
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Uh, okay. You said your final thoughts. I said my final thoughts Uh, we'll take this time to thank our legendary hunters talking about nitro nade the ponytail palm malcolm anderson manner von veld mitchell gertz rat 329 Um Do you have anything you want to add on the way out the door? Burn those solo hunters everybody burn them dead
00:25:14
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May the heat from them solos keep you warm in these winter months. You're living a three-star life, but god damn it. I hope you have a six-star week. Harrison, say goodnight. Goodnight, everybody. We'll see you next time. It's a pleasure being back here, waiting for other players, a Hunt Showdown podcast.
00:25:38
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in, nobody stands a chance against me, and people fucking love me. That's the VIP bottom line. Fucking awesome. Well, bye.